/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15112955]

Looking to get blackpilled on social exclusion. What is its purpose? Is it fair? beneficial? Is it always the fault of the individual for being excluded?

[Anonymous No.15112962]

>>15112955
Social science != science

Ask this question on >>/r9k/

[Anonymous No.15113053]

>>15112962
Social science has science in the name though and is a branch of science. And the rules say all kinds of science is allowed. I'm not seeing where it says only natural science is allowed

[Anonymous No.15113153]

>>15113053
> Social science has science in the name though
"Trans woman" has the word "woman" in the name, doesn't mean trannies will ever be women

> and is a branch of science
Science is a method of knowledge that involves coming up with a hypothesis, conducting an experiment, and recording the results. Social sciences like sociology/political science/economics/atc. mostly doesn't follow this method. Imagine actual science as Empiricism and social "science" as Rationalism. Two completely different philosophies, two completely different methods.

Also, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that sociology is a load of bullshit in it's own rite (branches of social "science" are essentially just justifications of existing social institutions), and social dynamics and constructs really don't have a place in science given they don't exist in reality, only in our minds.

[Anonymous No.15113172]

>>15113153
>trans woman blah blah
shit argument that ignores the last half of the sentence
>social science is not science
Pretty sure it is
>[social science is a] branch of science...
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/social%20science

[Anonymous No.15113176]

>>15113172
> t. social "scientist"
kys

[Anonymous No.15113212]

>>15112955
>Is it always the fault of the individual for being excluded?
it’s always worth interrogating your own conscience, just don’t go overboard. but if your friends have taken the drastic measure of ostracizing you, you should realize that they (at least some of them) were probably scheming behind your back for a while.

dante’s inferno places Betrayers at the ninth and deepest circle of Hell. whatever you may or may not have done to offend others, just remember it is nowhere near as serious as plotting and conspiring to stab in the back someone who trusted them

[Anonymous No.15113462]

>>15113153
Is analyzing animal behavior equally unscientific?

Gay biased retard, go do a math problem faggot

[Anonymous No.15113498]

>>15112955
the word science from the latin sciens
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sciens#Latin
which derives from the greek https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%83%CF%87%CE%AF%CE%B6%CF%89#Ancient_Greek
so its rooting in knowing, in the process of discernment, to cut, to sort, to divide.

>Looking to get blackpilled on social exclusion. What is its purpose? Is it fair? beneficial?

Social exclusion is multi-purposed and multifaceted but an economist/game-theorist can see it as a collective signalling game performed by profit maximizing individuals.

The individual will tribalize and perform exclusion if there is a perceived benefit to doing so. Fairness in this game is a strategy set in the repeated version of this game. Once the tribe has been identified by excluding another individual or group, the natural course is to further sub divide, the game of musical chairs. Agents performing backwards induction see this, and thus know that, unless the group can be held stable, the collusion equilibrium against the excluded will not hold. The fairness metric is than the game that determines stability vs further subdividability

[Anonymous No.15113507]

>>15112955
>Is it always the fault of the individual for being excluded?
It was, until Jesus died on the Cross and came back from the dead 3 days later. It saliences the reality that collusion by exclusion is inherentily an unstable equilibrium, and that fairness, as determined by the ingroup cannot stabilize the group in perpituity. Justice and fairness is in fact not a social construct, but a natural construct of the universe, a property of entropy and information, no matter how power the 'illuminati' so to speak is, they still answer to mother nature, and by extension God. Once individuals perform backwards induction with agents being aware that the fairness strategy doesn't lead to a perpetually stabile collusion equilibrium, they disassociate

[Anonymous No.15113605]

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[Anonymous No.15113828]

>>15112955
>What is its purpose?
To protect normal people from the harm weirdos might inflict.
> Is it fair? beneficial?
Usually, yes.
>Is it always the fault of the individual for being excluded?
Irrelevant. It really doesn't matter if the weirdo is weird by choice or by birth.

[Anonymous No.15113839]

>>15113153
>Science is a method of knowledge that involves coming up with a hypothesis, conducting an experiment, and recording the results.
Which experiments have been conducted to prove macroevolution, dark matter, dark energy or virtual particles?

[Anonymous No.15114255]

>>15112955
Social exclusion feels terrible for a VERY good reason. In the past being lonely was a warning you were on the brink of death.

For me I only get lonely when I am around other people and not fitting in. If you got ostracized from your tribe you basically died. Sadly human biology today hasn't caught up with the modern alienating world. You could be technically successful with no meaningful connections.

This is one of the reasons why sociopaths and autists/schizos do so well today they are more adapted to the world then many NT people are since they do not need social bonds to be happy.

[Anonymous No.15114336]

>>15114255
Back in the past humans relied on 50-100 people. If they were useless or disliked by the tribe they would surely parish on their own. This also to a lesser extent continued on throughout civilization as the average person who was too disagreeable might get hung.

The thing is nowadays you could be a lonely sack of shit that most people hate and still be making a million a year with a wife and kids.

[Anonymous No.15115251]

>>15113212
>they (at least some of them) were probably scheming behind your back for a while.
This is why you don't let females or tranny-tier men into your social group. Almost all conflicts and disagreements can be solved just by talking and compromising e.g.:
>please stop talking about politics, not everyone agrees and we just wanna get along
Anything else is probably some dirty power play that will only destroy your once-pleasant (i.e. pre-female and pre-tranny) social group.

[Anonymous No.15115255]

>>15115251
You have a lot of faith in the trustworthiness of your fellow males, and you're nosediving towards critical error by thinking that way.

[Anonymous No.15115993]

The purpose is to fortify group identity and display power in a performative fashion.
Fairness or fault have nothing to do with it.