/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10208102
>Why did it not live up to the first one?

>>10208102
>Is it really as bad as people say?
It's well put together and serviceable, but it never amounted to anything beyond that.

>>10208102
The only part that it had that was superior to q1 was the soundtrack.

>>10208102
Got bored with brown industrial environment

>>10208102
Its a solid game in a genre we're no longer spoiled by. The remaster actually improves a ton and the haters are just autistic fags looking for excuses to bitch

>>10208159
Q2 is just a tech demo, the design and gameplay is worse than all of the following shooters
>Doom/Doom II
>ROTT
>Dark Forces 2
>Duke 3D
>Quake
>Blood
>Doom 64
>Turok
>Shadow Warrior
>Goldeneye

>>10208102
>Why did it not live up to the first one?
It did. Modern Q1 community (you know the type) is just very loud with historical revisionism.
>Is it really as bad as people say?
No. It's a fun game, with a great multiplayer. The game was popular as fuck at the time of release.
Arguably, Quake 3 is more popular than both though.

>>10208187
>you know the type
Doom 1ish?

It's pretty good, I like it a lot - it's just nothing like Quake 1 (... And was originally a different game, as you probably know...)

It's like if The Fifth Element was the canonical sequel to Starship Troopers.
People might prefer one or the other, but they're both good, they're just not the same.

>>10208225
There's an overlap, I guess.
I meant D*scord cliques and guys like speedrunners.
Not that there aren't sane/reasonable people who are into Q1, but they aren't nearly as loud and certainly not as nasty.

>>10208102
those filtered textures should never have disgraced a screen

>>10208181
>tech demo
Anybody who says this can safely have all opinions discarded.

>>10208159
I like the remaster quite a bit but god damn the new attack on the Berserker's is just awful. There's really no viable way to dodge it when most of the game is enclosed corridors. Who the fuck thought that was a good idea? Nerfing the Rail Gun is strange too.

Too many humanoid enemies. Too many samey industrial + crates environments. Too orange (although I've heard that has to do with certain renderers and software looks better). Q2 feels like a transitional game to me, with the missions and hub-type structure to some of the objectives, but mixed with old-fashioned arcade blasting of fairly mindless enemies scattered through the rooms. Not a bad game by any stretch but it's easy to see why Half-Life and Unreal made such a splash.

>>10208102
Literally sabotaged mid-development by Timmy Wallets

>>10208108
unironically this
both Romero and Petersen quitting left a big creativity hole in id
from that point on they had to be edgy to make up for the lack of imagination

>>10208297

>their new attack is just awful

>They can't jump to high platforms
>In lower difficulties than nightmare you can stun them at the middle of the jump
>They die in two ssg

From a boring and innofensive enemy to one of the funniest enemies in the game.

>>10208102

No it's not.

The og maybe, the questionable choices like making hexen like hub systems for the main campaign with the lack of aesthetic that had the previous id games made it worse. But the new ai improvement, the items wheel and the compass makes it way better.

The game is still better than the previous quake: it has the best deadmatch system, a way better soundtrack, better sound design and the weapons are hella fun, even the expansions ones.

It's just more infamous than it's predecesor. And the nostalgia has a big role.

People joke about Quake 1 being "brown" but it is kind of an interesting visual feast in some regards, with its variety of monsters and demons and Evil Dead-ripoff environments. Quake 2 in comparison feels like just sucking on an old coin, the taste of metal and nothing else. "Stroggification" is pretty damn boring to start with, then it just gets progressively moreso as you realize every single enemy is just "random metal+flesh abomination 4351b"

>>10208108
I know people say hes actually terrible to work with but it seems like he has a magic touch that makes stuff cool. SIGIL is proof that Romero knows what hes doing.

>>10208102
It was just a lot slower than Q1. It didn't feel as kinetic as the first (except for maybe the railgun duels). Though it did became a lot better when good multiplayer mods starting coming out like Action Quake.

Quake 2 is so fucking boring. The best I can say for it is there's a certain kind of charm in its boringness.

>>10208102
With Quake 1 I get bored too quickly
With Quake 2 I don't have that problem. It's way more fun for me

>>10208102
Stfu it was good

I don't know if any of the Quake games have particularly good gameplay.
That's one of those things people don't like hearing, but I've just never felt that compelled to put much time into playing them compared to Doom, or Duke, or Goldeneye, or Turok even.
There's just kind of a lot of walking around samey looking levels, with shooting that doesn't feel that great.

I'm going to assume the multiplayer scene more or less carried these at the time, but that's not something I particularly care about.

The Blaster is a very bad starting weapon.

>make it stop

Drags on with no variety.

>>10208102
>Why did it not live up to the first one?
I thought it was better than Quake 1 and I love that game.

>>10208102

It's from the time id did become just another company - their core was dying.
It's still an excellent product especially for its time. Deathmatch on Q2DM1 "The Edge" is among the best experiences ever.

Levels in Q2 made me off. Even when getting through Q1 for the first time you move through levels fast. Yes, sometimes you need to go back and forth, but still Q1 levels are fun to swim though. While in Q2 levels are a total mess of sharp ends and rooms packed with useless machinery and crates.

>>10208146
lol

>>10208240
Well it got filtered by the audience...

>>10208181
q2 easily beats 2.5d games and turok in its feel with shooting alone for me

>>10208102
The level design wasn't as tight as Q1, but it had more continuity between levels. Q1 was just a bunch of random maps with lovcraftian themes, Q2 tried to make you feel like you were working your way across a Strogg planet.

>>10208297
Are you playing on nightmare? You can't stagger Strogg on nightmare difficulty.

>>10208934
He always made the best levels in their games. There's also the fact that Wolfenstein 3D was pretty much ENTIRELY his idea. Nobody ever talks about that.

>>10208240

I kinda agreed, but to be fair it goes pretty nice when you are near pools of lava and radioactive waste.

>>10208909
Its nothing like evil dead, its an odd mix of metal dungeons, castles and the odd 'tech base first levels of the episode'

>>10208108
Romero is an overrated gas station attendant whose talents were surpassed by new blood while he was fucking around like a rockstar. Making a game about a katana is turbocringe even for the 90s.

It was a new iteration of ID Tech. Technically better on everything compared to Quake, and the one that made online playing truly popular, but...

It was a completely different game and Quake in name only. I loved everything about quake, but QII was an absolute miss for me. I did not like the atmosphere, music, and I found the campaign level designs much worse.

What kinda sucks is that quake II became the standard of what people think of when they hear Quake, all the sequels followed Q2, and the original Quake ended becoming the "weird one".

>>10208102
>Why did it not live up to the first one?
id breakup.
>Is it really as bad as people say?
No, but it is very one note.

>>10208478
>a way better soundtrack, better sound design
In my experience, people talk about OST and sound design (especially later) in one of two cases: either they are superb, or they are trash.

>>10208181
doom 2 is dogshit and even doom autists will admit it

>>10208102
Quake 2 WAS the best FPS game of the 90's alongside Half Life and Unreal
As Quake 3 Arena and UT99 were the best Multiplayer Games of the late 90's/early 2000's

Any retard trying to rewrite history because shilltuber zoomer who never lived back then said so, deserves to be raped by a horse full of dick steroids.

>>10208414
the brains are worse than them and no one talks about it, mainly on old custom maps.

>>10208102
>generic space shooter #2000420
why did it fail? :(((

>>10212331
>Generic shooter
>Won all game of the year awards
>Won Best Multiplayer title
>Became the seed for Half Life 1 level transitions and AI
>Gave Birth to Quake 3 Arena and Q2 Lightmaps are still advanced til this day

>>10212308
Lackluster levels. But the additional enemies made Doom complete.

1997 was THE Goat year

>>10212308

Average Sandyfag post.

Doom 2 is a way better than the first Doom. While in the first doom, sandy ruined the two last episodes, being only really good the first episode, Doom 2 had a lot more memorable maps, including the Sandy ones. The supershotgun, one of the most iconic weapons in shooters, appears there. All the new enemies are a great addon (except pain elemental) and even more memorable than the doom 1 ones. It had an engine improvement, optimizating it for bigger and more complex maps with more enemies in it.

Fuck you retard.

>>10212326

People who gets frustrated with the new Berserkers didn't got so far to see the Brains.

>>10212009

Check it by yourself.

>>10208108
Don't forget Sandy.

>>10212708
Wait until the new mapfags updates Quake 2 Earth, they will hate them more than the berserkers.

every old map pack with them became a nightmare.

>>10212331
name the preceding 2000419

>>10212701
>Doom 2 had a lot more memorable maps

memorably piss poor

>>10208102
It's kinda fucking boring, especially the last few levels. The new levels they made for the remaster are pretty good, though.
It was always all about the multiplayer, which is fantastic. That's why they didn't even bother making a campaign for Quack 3.

>>10208181
>ROTT
Fuck off, tryhard.

>>10211248
Good god you're a moron. How did your parents let you on the internet?

>>10213327
lmao got his ass