/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10330381
>that image quality
If this was an advert I wouldn't something from a company who needs glasses.

>>10330394
if you want better you can go to their site dawg

>>10330381
You're a day late from the announcement and you didn't think there wouldn't already be a thread here? Check the fucking catalog.

>>10330381
no I'm not, and no it doesn't
a new N64 that's somehow exactly like the old one would be mildly interesting, but if they're adding loads of new features then we might as well just emulate because it's something weird and new either way

>>10330381
>no emulation

>>10330394
Kinda looks like N64's image output

>>10327813

>>10330480
kek

I respect their products but it just seems cheaper to get one retrotink and then not have to worry about paying for fpga stuff anymore. I don't know guys, this idea of owning retro stuff is all up to personal autism, and I'm sure a lot of people would love this thing, so it's cool with me, but it's not what excites me.

Fuck off, you advertising bitch.

If it doesn't have an analogue stick with long neck, and the same kind of sensitivity of the old one, it wont feel quite right.

>>10330603
based. we're all autusts, and we have so many options to satisfy our own personal autism.
This one isnt mine, but i respect it.

I get the appeal of FPGA, but why would anyone buy this over a Mister?

Not my problem

If it has 100% perfect compatibility, including all the controller/rumble/transfer packs, and their controllers aren't garbage I guess it'll be worth it.

>>10330701
>why would anyone buy this over a Mister?

You have to understand the mindset of your average YouTube-addicted normie.
>Mister FPA
Scary, complicated, ugly.
>Analogue product
Beautiful, sleek, just like my Apple products.

>>10330705
>just like my Apple products.
Not really. I own a Pocket. The UI is shit. I like everything else about it.

>>10330701
Normies put a lot of value in good presentation and out-of-the box functionality. I don’t blame them honestly, I just think if they’d take the time to learn stuff like retropie or openfpga they’d be happier.

>100% accuracy
Why would I want that? The N64 is notorious for running games like shit
>not 100% accuracy
Why would I want that? Software emulation is already good enough

>>10330719
>I just think if they’d take the time to learn stuff like retropie or openfpga they’d be happier.
Most people just want good enough.

Why not the PS1 first? The N64 doesn't even have additive blending, there's so much you can do with its visuals. The PS1 would look much better for zoomers with perspective correction added, coupled with high resolution it would look much more palatable than the fuzzy N64 games with muddy textures and flat shades.

>>10330707
The Pocket UI reminds me of the earliest iterations of iPods actually, however it's not 2002 any more.

>>10330381
Oh I just love Analube products. Sign my ass up for spending around the same price of a fully kitted out MiSTer for a single console. And give all of that money to a for profit company.

>>10330792
Zoomers aren't the market for these consoles, Anon. It's milennials with more money than sense trying to relive their childhoods.

>>10330792
At a guess, I reckon they're having issues with the Duo CD drive (surely the reason why it's taking so long to release) and can't be fucked with the hassle a second time around with a PS1 clone.

>>10330795
I see a resemblance now that you mention it. That isn't what people mean by comparing them to Apple though.

>>10330805
After the PlayStation Classic fiasco there's room for a clone of the PS1 with modern improvements, emulators have a lot of issues with input lag, doing combos in Tekken or THPS can be terrible in most emulators out there, I've always had to run in software mode to get snappy input.

>>10330792
I would just love it if a console could release where games have that N64 look again, we get tons of 3D platformers with no loading and shit. The text this time though clean to read thanks to modern televisions.

So I guess you can say I kind of miss the time period more than want the actual console but N64 was some of the most fun I had with gaming. Something about the way those games were designed was just very different to all other gens. I want a new console that makes games like this same graphics and look. Just this time they can be in perfect framerates to. Please understand

>>10330792
I can see numerous issues with that
>not wanting people to play pirated games easily
>too many games to actually test, some will always be incompatible
>there'd be way too many people complaining to their support about their own scratched up discs not playing properly
>every possible graphical improvement would break some game
>implementing a half-decent BIOS without breaking Sony copyright

>>10330381
I don't see how anybody could get hyped for anything Nintendo 64. I bought the console on launch day due to the hype machine working on me and by the time the Gamecube released I only had five cartridges for it. The library sucks.

>>10330381
you know what i’m excited for? 6 months from now when china starts cloning their shit for pennies on the dollar effectively styling on fagpa nerds.

Is there any reason for this just to be one console?
Okay, if you're married to the physical games thing you probably can't put ten cartridge slots on the thing, but you could add a CD drive.

>>10330381
Stop making this thread, we're not buying it.

>>10330843
>not wanting people to play pirated games easily
Yes, Analube doesn't want people playing games easily on their super expensive boutique bootleg console.

>>10330847
you missed out on a lot of gems

>>10330792
I don't know how much post processing crap they're going to include, I would assume the number one purpose of this thing is to just have an HDMI clone console that can play N64 games well.

If you want to do the same for a PS1 all you need to do is just go find a cheap used PS3 and there you go you can play whatever PS1 game you want over HDMI.

>>10330381
>paying for emulators
Do Redditors really?

>>10330856
Analogue has released multiple devices over the years and none have yet to be cloned due to how well they've encrypted their firmware.

>>10331029
Unless somebody gifts you a computer, you'll be paying for emulators in some way when you buy any hardware.

>>10331151
Is this how you’re coping with paying for emulation?

For me it's an instant buy "TAKE MY MONEY!" situation. Some of us have jobs and can't spend all day changing retroarch controller settings or figuring out how to use the Everdrive. We just want to play games, simple as. But some people just can't get that idea through their thick skulls.

>>10331165
>spend at most a few hours on a Saturday figuring out how to set up retroarch or an everdrive and save $300
Why is this so hard for people?

>>10331151
"Don't you guys have phones?"

>>10331165
>or figuring out how to use the Everdrive.
I got bad news for you.

It's going to be $700 actually. 4k isn't going to be cheap.

>>10331151
good morning

>>10330402
Shut up, fagget!

>>10330989
That era kinda sucked. It had some ok stuff but mostly it sucked

Why is all the worst stuff always the trendiest

Why would anyone need to render N64 games at 4k? This is retarded

>>10332529
Dummies have a 4k tv and think they’re missing out by not using every pixel no matter how much it looks like shit at that res

>>10331165
Lmao if you can't figure out an everdrive then, this overpriced console is for you

>>10330989
>backward compatible PS3 models
>cheap
ahahahahaha.

I've always thought Analog's products were way overpriced for what amounts to fancy emulation boxes. They're very much for a certain kind of collector.

what's the point of new n64 hardware if all my cartridges are scratched to hell and back

the best thing to come out of this is the controller but nintendo already made a new one anyway so

>>10333560
Are they? I thought they cannibalized old systems for parts.

>>10333769
They're using FPGA my dude
It's hardware that impersonates other hardware

>>10333559
I have a slim model and it plays ps2 isos.
is that CECA & CECB meme real or what?

>>10330428
>we might as well just emulate
You are, either way.

>>10331143
No one cares because MiSTer.

>>10331143
They need to hide how much code they've stolen from the open source community.

>>10330792
Anybody with a bag of original flavor ruffles strapped to a computer monitor can emulate PS1 games just fine, and there are eleventy-billion dualshock clones to play them with. N64 has the adage of very touchy emulation/replication due to a multitude of factors, to the point that even Nintendo and Rareware themselves aren't able to have the games play or display with true accuracy, and a controller that literally nobody can fully reproduce in the modern era.
Plus, it's Nintendo. Everybody wants that shit and have proven in the past three decades that they're willing to spend money on that particular brand.

>>10330381
No, I have a MiSTer and it's playing N64 already.

>>10334460
>and a controller that literally nobody can fully reproduce in the modern era.
What about Nintendo's modern official N64 Switch controller?

Also, did anyone ever try those chink noname USB N64 controllers?

>>10334479
The nonames aren't accurate with regards to the analog stick (all use potentiometers and don't actually replicate the shape of the thumbstick gate) but aren't completely sucktastic if cheap enough and doesn't break. The Nintendo Switch Online controller is quite good at replicating the feel and range of the OG but it uses a potentiometer so it will inevtiably drift, might not be too bad for a DIYer but I don't remember the internals enough ATM. I also don't remember if there was a concern with friction and need of lubrication. Shame the original N64 controller didn't use POM as the material of choice for the non-PCB and non-housing components of the analog stick. In terms of mechanics it has always been my favorite analog stick when well-maintained but the shape of the thumbstick should have been much better though. Where you can't have mechanical parts and optical sensors for an analog stick you should just have hall effect or something else that's contactless. Potentiometers never made me happy, they have only ever been adequate. Sega was ahead of their time with the analog stick for 3d pad and Dreamcast controller.

I have a mister nor am I really interested in N64, but It's great that more people can access fpga technology it really is the next level in retro system preservation.

>>10334479
>What about Nintendo's modern official N64 Switch controller?
I bought one during their last available batch. It's actually really good and the analog stick tests correctly both on the Switch and when using my blueretro adapter. There's two issues though, first is obviously the fact that these things keep getting sold out almost immediately and Nintendo obviously doesn't announce their availability, it's like trying to stick your dick in a cheerio if you want to buy one. The other is that it doesn't use the optical sensors, it has the same housing for the stick, gears, and bowl (lubricated with white lithium grease which is good) but it uses potentiometers like modern sticks do, so enjoy dealing with that down the line.

>>10334479
>Also, did anyone ever try those chink noname USB N64 controllers?
They're all garbage, so is the brawler64 for that matter. The main issue is always going to be the analog stick, it will never map properly to the movement range and a lot of them don't even have the correct outer gate. It's not supposed to be a perfect octagon, it's much closer to a square so the diagonals extend further out than the cardinals do.

>>10330828
The issue is that N64 emulation is not perfect yet, and there's nothing else to support the games
Meanwhile, the PS1 had two consoles that sold amazingly to support the games, and all PS3 supported them too. That's a LOT more options to play PS1 games over N64

>>10335205
>and there's nothing else to support the games
Why are you pretending N64 consoles are hard to come by?

>>10335274
They're fucking expensive now, any of the later clear colored ones are even more expensive
Meanwhile for PS1 you have PS1, PS2 and PS3 as a choice
Checking quick numbers it's
32m (N64) vs 109m (PS1), 158m (PS2) and 87 (PS3)
Overall, if consoles are breaking, and etc, there's significantly more people that owns a system that can play PS1 games already

>>10334479
Nintendos switch N64 is not accurate to the original. Its stick design is different and will eventually suffer the same stick drift of all modern controllers.

>>10335425
I found a refurbed N64 and two controllers with a quick look on ebay that I can buy right now for 130€.

Why would I pay more than twice that for a knock-off emulator?

>>10335443
That is hideously expensive for a used mainstream console from gens ago that probably got abused the hell out by random kids

>>10335450
And yet it's still cheaper than the knock-off....

>>10335458
That's not the point, dumbass

>>10335467
What is the point?

The Analog version is neither cheaper nor more accurate than the original hardware. What's the point in buying it?

>>10335443
That n64 is very likely to fail and die in a few a years, and you'll struggle to find replacement parts. These clone consoles are a long term investment.

>>10335521
Exactly. Plus with the emulation still being poor enough, and purchasing new consoles being expensive, it's all about making viable alternatives. Plus, this could actually help advance emulation in the process

>>10332529
Increasing resolution is like turning AA but better. I try to do it for everything.

>>10335467
Where did you go? Answer his question:
>>10335472

>>10335521
>That n64 is very likely to fail and die in a few a years,
What makes you think so? Most N64 failures seem to be pretty simple stuff that's easy to fix like corroded contacts, failing caps, etc..
I trust the N64's chips to last more than the much more complex and harder pushed FPGA.

>>10335528
How would it? Their stuff is proprietary and closed-source, it won't help the emulation scene at all.

>>10330381
>MiSTer gets an N64 core
>Suddenly Analogue starts advertising a N64-capable FPGA console

>>10335548
I was just thinking about this. I was mostly waiting for the CPS3 core but N64 might be worth jumping onboard now.

>tfw just need to buy a DE-10 Nano, 128MB SDRAM, and a USB hub

Gonna wait just a bit longer though since the MiSTer doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon. Still wanna know how Jotego approached the CPS3; he said he might use software emulator info just to get the core out faster and then implement real schematics later.

>>10335548
Suddenly able to source much better FPGA chips. Suddenly able to manufacture a new controller. Suddenly able to design a new console and have all the promotional material on hand. Both the MiSter core and Analogue are both relying heavily of Mazamars reverse engineering work, in fact I would'nt be surprised if that is what Analogue are using.

https://www.ultrafp64.com/

>>10335558
>N64 might be worth jumping onboard now.
It's going to be a few months until it's in a great state. It's ok right now but nowhere near done.

>>10335548
Retard. Robert (Mister's FPGA N64 core developer) knows the guy who made the N64 core for analogue (mazamars). He also got help from him since the mazamars made a lot of his research public over the last years. N64brew is full of it.

There's no animosity between FPGA devs, and between FPGA devs and Software emulator devs. They all help each other. Developments in FPGA help software emulation, and software emulators help FPGA develpoment.

Emulation wars are for low IQ retards.

>>10335578
I'm just saying that there's no point in this device. It's not like the Pocket, the Pocket has a place because it's a handheld. This N64 product makes no sense unless you are a literal retard consoomer.

>>10335584
The argument of the post I replied too spouted borderline conspiracy about Analogue competing with MiSTer. I just tried to clarify that's false. The merits of whether the device is worth it or not is another matter completely and often boils down to personal preference.

>>10335584
>the Pocket has a place because it's a handheld.
If you want to argue with people post this in the handheld thread. The idea that because you are not the target market for something it is pointless is an autistic thought process.

>>10335563
>Suddenly able to source much better FPGA chips
I get why this is a thing for Mister's one size fits all approach, but what's stopping single-console equivalents from utilising multiple FPGAs at once? Instead of waiting for a chip that can fit the entire N64 at once, why not emulate different components of the N64 on separate chips?

>>10335586
>The argument of the post I replied too spouted borderline conspiracy about Analogue competing with MiSTer
You're reading an awful lot into two lines of text, which I wrote, and fully knew my intentions for (that there is no point in this device when the MiSTer exists).
>>10335587
The handheld thread is filled with poorfags who refuse to buy anything that costs more than $20 and isn't shaped like a SNES controller. I don't even have a problem with chinkshit emulation handhelds, and they definitely diminish the appeal of the Pocket, but at least that is an FPGA device in a niche that doesn't otherwise have one. I own a Pocket myself, and a bunch of chinkhelds, but I'd never even consider buying this N64 thing because the MiSTer will be capable of doing it. Maybe if Analogue's products were actually the premium product that they want people to believe, but they actually receive shoddy support.

>>10335610
>You're reading an awful lot into two lines of text, which I wrote, and fully knew my intentions for
Well I can't read minds bro. If your intention was to say that "there's no point in the device" then be more clear about it. When you say that "Analogue started advertising it as soon as MiSTer got an N64 core" it sounds like conspiracy.

If we're gonna talk about personal opinions, then yes, I don't have a use for this Analogue console unless it's vastly superior to the MiSTer core, which we may have to see once it releases. If they're even in accuracy then yeah, fuck it.

>>10335595
>but what's stopping single-console equivalents from utilising multiple FPGAs at once?
If that was a good way to go about things then surely it would have already happened. Like multithreading on a CPU synchronising timings between multiple FPGA's can't be a trivial task, might open up another layer of complexity that isn't workable. I dunno, I'm not a dev.

>>10335618
>If they're even in accuracy then yeah, fuck it.
I think the Analogue will be better. The FPGA on the DE-10 is going to struggle with clock speed once TLB is implemented and then its going to be running the emulated GPU or RAM speed faster than real hardware to make up for it like happened with the PS1 core.

>>10335521
>That n64 is very likely to fail and die in a few a years
Why? My n64 still works fine after 25 years. All I've had to do is clean some dust out of it.

>>10335641
That's not gonna be the case at all. What's going to happen is that TLB won't be fully implemented. Only the functions used by commercial games will be in.

>>10335647
Have you recapped it recently? It might not least another 10 years without a recap.

>>10335563
Gotta love that Analube cope.

>>10335586
You actually proved the conspiracy is valid. Analog is profiting from the work people donate to open source projects.

>>10335521
Can't Analog Shill threads be banned for spreading such blatant misinformation?

>>10335425
NTSC N64 have been expensive for more than 15 years because everyone wanted the RGB mod, in Europe there's no cheap options.

>>10330381
>even octagonal gate
So it's not for the N64 library then. Way to go Analogue, you have a made a modern controller for modern games but are trying to shoehorn it for a classic game console.

>>10335274
I didn't? That's exactly what I'm saying, you either have an N64 to play these games or you're dealing with a level of emulation quality that has barely improved since Wii VC injections in dolphin.