/vr/ - Retro Games

>>10335707
And even worse, there are no Saturn games actually worth playing.

>>10335707
what about the other 50 consoles, arcade machines, and computers it can do

>>10335785
You mean things that my computer could do like several years earlier just as well

strictly a you problem
i'll be enjoying everything else it does alright

>>10335707
What is the supposed advantage of these? What systems can they emulate that normal pcs can't?

>those feels when your overhyped fpga can't emulate a 40yo japanese computer

>>10335829
Apparently it cuts down on input lag. Again, I genuinely don’t understand why you would ever need one of these unless you have a CRT to hook it up to.
Even 10 year old laptops at this point will get the same performance through software emulation not to mention much more that this thing can’t do it yet.

For what it’s worth, I think it’s a pretty cool toy, but outside of that one specific used case it just doesn’t seem like it brings anything new to the table. But it also makes coomlectors seethe, which is incredibly based in my book.

>>10335707
You should probably have a rudimentary understanding of computers and electronics before buying a Mister.
Expecting a good Saturn core on this device is a pipe dream.

>>10335829
Why don't you just google it or search the archive, lazy faggot?

>>10335785
Wrong question. The right one is: "what about shills telling everyone that MiSTer is, indeed, very capable of Saturn and N64, just needing time, and, when the time finally comes, it's unworthy?".

If you do like questions, here's the follow-up: "why the hardest MiSTer shills are the ones who make a profit selling it?"

>>10335946
>Apparently it cuts down on input lag. Again, I genuinely don’t understand why you would ever need one of these unless you have a CRT to hook it up to.
so the main target are speedrunners and shmups autists? input lag has never stopped me from beating games

>>10335795
does your computer output 240p video as well?

>>10335946
>Even 10 year old laptops at this point will get the same performance through software emulation not to mention much more that this thing can’t do it yet.
I wish you and other anons would not say this.
The comparison should be to current generation PC hardware.
The best emulator experience would be compromised on a 10 year old laptop.
It would not meet the minimum requirements for hard GPU sync and runahead with the most accurate and demanding fourth generation cores.

>>10335707
It's still in beta, retard. Few months ago it didn't even boot any games.

>>10335980
No, Im not autistic, but thanks for asking.

>>10335983
Please enlighten me and everyone else. The MiSTer project has been around for years and if I’m still this undecided or confused about it, something tells me it really is just a bunch of snake oil or something that 99% of retro gamers simply don’t need.

Don’t get me wrong. I do think it’s cool and the technology behind it is especially interesting. What if we have to have constant troll threads about whether or not it’s worth it. I think it’s benefits over everyone else’s current options are questionable at best and flat out unproven at worst

I've tried every living room emulation solution. The Wii, Raspberry Pi, Nvidia Shield, laptop and Steamdeck with dock. Mister is better than ALL of them. No nonsense whatsoever, easy UI designed for controllers, quick and logically set out menus that puts retroarch to shame, incredibly low input lag (yes, I can feel it, sorry you can't), good shader options. It just fucking werks and I have no reaons to deviate from it. It's amazing, my only problem is it doesn't do 4K which would be nice for CRT shaders. I play it more than any other console and have beaten countless games through it.

Do I care about the FPGA side of things? Not really, but the input and sound lag are incredibly low.

Dunno, I just like it. Excited for the N64 core.

>>10335980
It's not that hard to do

>>10335991
No one needs it. But if you like retro gaming and you're financially in a good spot, it is a nice thing to play on. It is better than emulators, but very minor.

>>10335707
It may be in update_all, but it's still in beta. Kind of stinks but giving the nature of getting Saturn emulation done, they'll need more people reporting issues, and releasing it is going to do that.

>>10336024
I actually don't like the menu that much because I like to play with an original controller and my SNES controller doesnt have a "home" button. The remote script does help a lot though with that

You will never convince brown poor people this thing is better, they will always be convinced their software emulators are superior, they'll even argue that real hardware isn't better than software emulation. They always use the same talking points like 'snake oil', 'my pc does it better', because none of them have a frame of reference because emulation is all they know. Don't buy a mister, I don't care, I'll continue enjoying mine.

>>10335707
OP was retarded again
>neo geo, cps1
worth it for that alone anon
just because you're gear is so shitty you don't notice input delay
doesn't mean the rest of us who actually had the real systems
and actually used a crt instead of their grandmas used consumer flat panel from 14 years ago

>i can just open a laptop and pretend to play the games
emulation posters are truly the worst

Have every console besides the computer stuff, have Mister, have an xbox s running retroarch, have a PC running fightcade.


Mister kills everything overall. Size, speed, adaptability, scalability. Runahead doesn't hold a candle to mister on a CRT.

>>10336078
The best PC emulation set-up costs more than a Mister...

>>10335829
the entire point is that it's not a pc

>>10336125
Mister's PS1 core is not as accurate as PC emulation.

N64? Saturn? Do we have to do this again?

>>10336151
That is not the "entire point" at all. It's not even "a point".
You don't use a Mister just to dodge using a PC.

>>10335991
I'm not willing to write an essay for you on the subject. It's all there if you look through the previous threads in the warosu archives.

>>/vr/

However, the advice I can give you or anyone else thinking of purchasing a Mister is to first learn how to use emulators properly. Take the time to explore all the options both in stand-alones and in RetroArch.
Learn what the terms mean and how to set things up for the best accuracy and lowest lag.
This costs you nothing other than your time, and it won't take that long.
And it's useful for using the Mister down the road if you choose to go that route since it has many of the same configuration options.

IMO nobody should be buying a Mister who hasn't already set up "the best" emulator experiences for their favorite systems.
That includes connecting to a CRT.

>>10336153
>its useless because it doesnt do 5th gen console slop
I like it for all the old pre 90s consoles and computers since its a hell of a lot better to just have one mister rather than having to buy 20 machines and flashcarts or having to fuck with MAME

>>10336180
I did not write that. I did not imply anything of the such.
Stop lying.

However, (you) wrote.
>Mister kills everything overall.
Factually, it does not.

>>10336176
if they're too retarded to run 240p test suite
they are too retarded to notice input latency
emulation is fine for them
it keeps prices on real hardware down
it keeps prices on fpga chips somewhat down
they are normies who just want to "remember mario lol" for 5-50 minutes before watching sports again
they are normalfags
i no longer hate them

>>10336180
>or having to fuck with MAME
Guess which romset your Mister cores are going to be using?
You're still going to have to complete your homework any way you slice it, anon.

>>10336184
I wasnt the guy you were originally arguing with
and I also think its a waste of time for them to keep trying to get 32 bit systems working with it when they could focus on getting more shitty old computers and consoles nobody has heard of up and running for me to play with

>>10336185
And what does all of that have to do with the post you replied to?

>>10336196
Indeed.
Fujitsu FM Towns progression would be nice.

>>10336194
you dont have to use romesets unless you are running arcade machines though?
and setting up romsets isnt what I meant when I said fucking with MAME, which is absolute shit for emulating computers

>>10336146
>he thinks south americans emulate on the best pc setups
lol, there's a reason laptops are the only thing mentioned here anon

>>10336194
>Guess which romset your Mister cores are going to be using?

>run update all
>gets all roms
wow, that was excrutiatingly annoying

>>10336209
>south america out of nowhere
I don't care about them. They have nothing to do with any of this.

>>10336216
>he doesn't know what /vr/ is made up of
NGMI

>>10336214
Not officially supported.
You are "fucking around" setting that up.

>>10336223t
>DIY project
>caring about official support
buy a console

>>10336229
Not a refutation.

>>10336201
>learn how to use emulators properly
i use 240p test suite to test real fuckin hardware kek
some adapters\converters introduce latency
it being a big deal or not is subjective
for rpg and simple\easy titles its fine
for bullet hell? ya no

>entire thread is falseflagging
The power of one schizo

>>10336264
You're still not making a whole lot of sense.
Consider taking lessons in English composition.

Is 32X emulation on PC still limited to Kega Fusion and Picodrive?

I have a super NT, the only thing I care for when it comes to 2d retro gaming is SNES. A month a go I fired up Yoshi’s Island (RetroArch on my gaming rig (3090ti/12600k/c2 OLED).

Then I turned on hard sync and frames ahead. Then I downloaded the “Crt Royale” filters and shaders.

Needless to say I never touched my Super NT again. No fpga/retrotink upscaler crap can run or produce the quality you can achieve with this configuration on RA. Idc what simps say, no FPGA can beat the power of this combo. Cope and dilate.

>>10336279
>i refuse to acknowledge the point
ok anon

the post i replied to said "learn how to use emulators properly"
i added to that argument by saying to use 240p test suite
and that even REAL hardware can get bottlenecked by adapters\scanline generators etc

emulation properly configured with runahead can still hit a wall if using a consumer tv set
even with "MUH GAEM MODE" enabled
heres a list of tvs models:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tests/inputs/input-lag

>>10336313
>having to use disgusting\ugly retroarch
opinion discarded
of course dont buy a meme system and expect it to outperform a high end gaming pc, however i would argue that fpga+crt still trumps in terms of overall accuracy
how much it matters in real world use is subjective though
to the point of it being irrelevant for most
especially normies

>>10336315
You never had much of a point to begin with.
Next time make better posts.

>>10336327
ok dude

>>10336319
Correct, but I do not plan to buy a PVM/BVM or any other consumer CRT. So this combo that I have is more than enough. I used to dream about an FW900… but then I got a 120hz Oled XD.

>>10336337
hit it with the ufo test
i have a couple 240hz 1ms 1080p panels
one vertical, one horizontal
at 60hz there is SOME blur

>>10335961
Are the MiSTer shills in the room with us right now?

>>10336497
Shill here. What do you need?

>>10336497
I don't know. Are you still in the thread or did you left already?

>>10335946
>But it also makes coomlectors seethe
Yes.

>>10335972
>never stopped me from beating games
It will stop you from landing combos in fighters.

>>10335707
runs better than pc emulation in my experience. smooth, no tearing, no audio glitches, everything in sync

>>10336194
uh no. no you dont and I fucking havent even once. when you update it dl's the arcade core and every fucking rom that core needs, even sets up alternative version of that arcade machine automatically.

>>10336223
nigger you can disable all the unnofficial shit in its settings

>>10336313
upload a video of you running from left to right over and over again at the widest part of the millenial fair in chrono trigger. I want to see that stutter you probably think was there on original hardware

>>10335829
The main value of fpga is the synchronized zero latency audio/video output. Standard pc graphics and sound hardware is complete garbage that introduces lag and stutter.

>>10335707
Saturn core isn't actually done retard it just got added to the update download.

>>10336870
I don't play those

>>10335707
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My mister is still collecting dust waiting for PC-98 to not suck dick

>>10337075
Not officially supported.

>>10335707
I got this thing months ago after it being shilled hard on this site.
So far my opinions are really mixed, sure it looks cool but to me it still feels like it's just a glorified emulation box.
Still having fun with it though.

>>10338771
Really? Mine gives me the exact same experience as playing my real SNES/MD with FXPakpro/Everdrive carts. I can't compare it with any other consoles but for those two it feels identical.

>>10338771
It is an emulation box. It's an awesome emulation box if you want to connect it to a CRT.

Best emulator money can buy.

>>10338468
Why don't you offer some money to get it developed? Parasite lamer.

>>10338730
not officially supported by who? it uses the official downloader to download and update all the mister main shit and cores and can be set to download or not download additional shit. you can literally set it to only download the roms for arcade cores in adition to just the main "official" shit whichs is no fucking different then if you manually downloaded the roms from archive.org and place them in the correct folders.

>>10339541
MAmE was a pain in the ass to setup, finding the right roms etc. But mister just werx.

>>10335707
People I've met at events and locals where I take my MiSTer always blame the superficial shit for why they don't think it's worth it.

>I can emulate and play PC games on my gaming setup
>runahead fixes all of the lag issues
>The UI is ugly and too simple

So then I ask them why they didn't bring their gaming setup to the event to compare their emulators next to real arcade supergun setups.

And then a few of these same people think I'm jealous or gonna be mad that MARS is a thing and the Analogue plays cartridges.

I've said I got a MiSTer because RPi3B+ has noticeable input delay, even on a CRT which is flipped into an argument by them about me just not knowing how to configure emulators so I threw money at the problem. People like this are sick in the head and I have to share events with them.

>>10339541
That would still qualify as "fucking around" in the negative sense that anon previously complained was necessary with PC emulation.

>>10340004
You've been able to get MAME packaged with ROMs off of torrent sites for 20 years. That's basically the same thing as you're doing with the Mister.

>>10340032
MiSTer forces people to realize how much of their life they've wasted pretending emulators aren't garbage. It's a sunk cost thing which is why they always deflect to money. Maybe $300 is a big deal to some people, but those people are irrelevant and they smell.

>>10340032
>The UI is ugly and too simple
The UI is literally perfect.

>>10340047
Not even close to just running a script and it just werks. Enjoy your russian aids from the internet.

>>10340032
One just needs to look at the retroarch thread to see the cursed horror those poor wretches must endure.

>>10340047
>just download a terrabyte every time theres a mame update worth getting

>>10340271
You don't have to do that, but it would take a few brain cells to know how to update properly.

>>10340272
If you don't update in a while do you still have to run every update since the last time you updated separately or have they realised how ridiculous that is yet?

>>10335707
Agreed. The MiSTer is a total waste of money. Luckily I was able to sell this & build a gaming PC with that money, since gaming PC's handle emulation better than a MiSTer.

>>10340813
>The MiSTer is a total waste of money.
I own 4 of them.

>>10340890
But not 5. Pwned!

>>10340890
Sorry to hear you wasted your money 4 times.

>>10340813
Well I can see why you sold one, if an idiot is willing to buy it 4 times in a row ---> >>10340890 ...I would have stuck with just one if I were to buy a MiSTer. Heck I only have one version of every console.

Saturn emulation on the MiSTer is pretty bad. Take a look.... https://youtu.be/EJwvp_AvsK0?si=Mz_D2xU0V8xjN9a7

>>10335707
Who is the market for this? People who are really anal about input lag and refuse to use run-ahead? They use the same documentation and reverse engineering as anyone else so there's zero accuracy advantage.

>>10341045
people who want one box that can easily do 240p and all the other weird resolutions old machines switched to on the fly
instead of having to collect 50 consoles and computers and the flashcarts that go with them

>>10341037
Holy shit! You just saved me money! The emulation on MiSTer is hideous.

>>10340101
agreed. when "wizzo" or whoever the fuck, starts showing off graphical gui's with cover art and remote control from your phone, i can only baka

>>10340890
Why?

>>10341185
>anon trying to fool people into thinking he actually has money
lol

>>10340813
What sort of ghetto gaming PC would you get for $200?

What people don't understand is that nobody is forced to get a MiSTer for any kind of experience. It's an option for people who want it.

If all you care about is interacting with the games by any means necessary and want a low footprint device, just get any Dell Optiplex Micro PC with a 64-bit CPU. Raspberry Pi and ARM-based devices have always been terrible for emulation and you'll have a better experience with any x86/32-bit CPU (obviously an x64 PC is better if you wanna play beyond Dreamcast).

Here's a video on an Optiplex 7050 Micro which is about $100 if you look hard enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XONKVZf0m6o

For the memes, check out this "GAMING" micro PC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1TdWqwTRb0

If MiSTer is so bad and software emulators are better, why are people replacing their several thousand dolla supergun setups for the MiSTer?

>>10341684
Yeah, don't they understand that decade old office PCs play Wii U games way better?

>>10341669
There is no fucking way I would be seen dead with a wheezy piece of shit like that plugged into my gaming setup.

>>10341552
I do got money. I'm an accountant. A billion times more money you make at Burger King.

>>10341623
I'm pretty sure he was refering to an expensive gaming PC he owns, because gaming PC's aren't $200 dawg. Heck my rig cost me over $1600.

>>10342032
I can't imagine being so poor as to have to sell something to cover $200.

>>10341669
Pi5 just hit the market and is already running 3ghz overclocked; Dreamcast won't be an issue once the emulators get updated

>>10341669
the whole point of the mister is that it just works and you don't need to deal with operating systems and emulators and other trannyware crashing

>Mister
Old news.
https://twitter.com/MARSFPGA/status/1708875942473396440

>>10342167
looking forward to mister shills going broke

>>10341669
>doesnt even have vga out
whats the point?

>>10342161
It doesn't handle Saturn emulation well.

>>10342203
Who cares about failed 5th gen consoles?

>>10335771
Wouldn't say none but, not as many as people think

>>10342032
I have a feeling you arent a billionaire nor an accountant

>>10335707
Just stick with PS1 OP. It's a better system anyway

Dreamcast is the one worth waiting for

>>10342204
Me.
Many others on this board.

>>10342216
yeah its fun to poke around with failed consoles from that era like the saturn and the jaguar
hope they add 3DO support eventually too

>>10337661
Great well some of us want to have fun when we play Gundam Battle Assault or Endless Duel in an online tournament.

>>10342208
I never claimed to be a billionaire, but I am certainly an accountant. Sorry to hear you're too poor to afford a gaming PC. I guess even an entry level gaming PC($800) is out of your price range.

ha, Saturn was loaded with games. anyone that'd pass on at least trying a fraction of them isn't much of a gamer

>>10342167
vaporware

>>10342246
stfu mork

>>10342032
>I'm an accountant.
Joyless fag doesn't care about thing, news at 11.

>>10342249
smd incel

>>10342203
>It doesn't handle Saturn emulation well.
Yet. Saturn's still in beta.

>>10342303
Why wasnt it the first console they tried to get working in the first place
The Saturn is really the only retro console worth playing and the MiSTer not being able to handle it shows how useless the whole project is

>>10342332
If it's so important, why didn't you offer some money to get it done?

>>10342243
nigger you said you had a billion times more money than that other guy. nigger all your clients must be fucking bankrupt with your shit ass math skills

>>10342243
nigger I dev ue5 games on my pc. it still cant emulate a fucking thing as well as mister

>>10341037
The scanline thing isn't an issue on my end, but maybe that's because I'm on a CRT. Volume is amazingly quiet though.

>>10337287
I played a lot of retro console games when I was a kid, and I played them later on emulators just as well, without noticing any lags, even with wireless bluetooth gamepad and wireless headphones, and I never even noticed any lag, despite it is there. Spedrunners beat world records on daily basis, using emulators. If it is not noticeable and doesn't get in the way of "competitive" gaming, why does it even matter?

>>10343749
I have actually been noticeably effected by lag before. There was a boss on one game which had an unpredictable random attack which I only just barely had the reaction time to beat. On real hardware I could beat the boss 80% of the time, on emulator, I could only beat it 20% of the time.

>>10343783
So emulators are for the master race that don't mind some extra challenge?

>>10343783
skill issue

>>10343783
Which boss? Which game?

>>10342332
could always just wait for MARS and enjoy having the master processor handled by the fpga, while the slave processor and other co-processors are handled by the arm processor. or, just put a pi5 and stop bring autistic.

>>10343925
Is MARS even real or just vaporware? All that twitter account has been posting is just teasers, "WE HAVE THIS" and aren't ready to show anything running on real hardware yet.

>>10343935
It's only just been announced but yeah, nothing substantial has been shown as yet.

>>10343749
Those speedrunners have minimized the lag in their emulation set-ups.

>>10342332
The programmer who makes the Saturn core lives in Russian-occupied part of Ukraine (no, he did not live in LDNR before 2022). The fact that the core exists and performs as it does is already a miracle.

>>10344053
so it is actually possible to do it without wasting money on a single purpose computer board?

>>10343935
To the best of my knowledge, the games their Twitter page are displaying are supposed to be working on it. The software side is all open source, likely running the same cores mister currently runs. Notice in their Akumajou Dracula demo it's not currently using MT-32, since mister has you using an external device to reproduce it. Which is authentic af. Hopefully they'll use the arm processor to quickly emulate it, on MARS.

>>10342332
Agreed. The shills are so defensive of the MiSTer, that they fail to see it's short comings. Not being able to handle the Saturn is definitely a huge short coming.

>>10344380
Saturn was only ever a far fetched idea for the device. Users on this board have no idea what they are talking about on either side of the "issue".

>>10344063
Is he an ethnic russian?
I don’t keep up with the rus-ukr situation because I never know who to believe nor do I really care all that much.
But I do know that people who live in that area voted to leave Ukraine so if he’s part of that ethnic majority I’d assume he’s safe and it’s not that miraculous at all.

>>10336024
Same.

What will the next cope be when Mister Saturn and N64 cores are inevitably better than software emulation?

>>10344897
muh high resolution

>>10344897
>muh save states

>>10344897
>muh gen 6

to this day i am fucking baffled that retards don't even know what the MiSTer is. it's like /vr/ is full of people who need youtube tutorials to set up emulators. the fact that you'll load up a core thats still in active development and go "LOL the MiSTer cant even handle it!" like the cyclone-v isnt fast enough or something is so embarassingly ignorant it genuinely baffles me. to say nothing of the N64 core that since march has progressed to almost indistiguishable from real hardware sans games requiring TLB support. arent you all embarassed that you have the limitless information on the internet at your disposal and you're still this fuckin stupid? keep messing around with retroarch shaders i guess

>>10344897
>muh i cant play steam games on it

>>10345026
I don't care about savestates, but they should stick around in the n64 core I think?

>>10345082
>almost indistiguishable from real hardware
The progress is beyond impressive but it isn't quite that good yet. You can't just fire up any random game and finish it yet.

>>10345109
I’ve beaten B&K, Mario 64, Perfect Dark, and Mischief Makers on it and they all played great. FGPAzumspass works so fast that some of these games wouldn’t even boot a week or two ago.

>>10336058
>my SNES controller doesnt have a "home" button
you can bind Home to a combination, like down+sel

>>10337287
>. Standard pc graphics and sound hardware is complete garbage that introduces lag and stutter.
Do you write this knowing it's complete bullshit and don't care, or do you actually think this is true because you read it on some marketing page for a big fat $500 cable or something?

>>10344897
>muh PGXP

>>10345149
>I’ve beaten B&K, Mario 64, Perfect Dark, and Mischief Makers on it
Really? With no glitches or other fuckery? I was waiting for the core to develop before setting it up but you are saying for some games at least it is already working fine? Even the compatibility list I am looking at doesn't claim Banjo Kazooie is completable. I can't link it here because it is marked as spam.

>>10345248
wouldn't be suprised if this gets implemented at some point, it doesnt seem difficult to do and the ps1 core already has lots of neat extras like removing the dithering

>>10345339
You basically have to re-interpret fixed point math as floating point math on the fly, which would require you to implement an FPU in verilog on top of all of the other stuff that the PSX core has.

Honestly, if someone decides to go that route, they might as well offload that to the CPU, PGXP would be very far from "transistor accurate" anyway, moreso than any of the little hacks you can already do on the PSX core.

>>10345248
ps1 without texture warping and composite video is soulless.

does paper mario work on the n64 core now?

You are all dumb.

>>10345239
I write it because I know for a fact its true. Its impossible to output closely synchronized audio and video on standard pc hardware. Audio and video output are completely separate interfaces, there is no way to output x many samples for each line of graphics. You have to output a big audio buffer which plays at its own rate completely unrelated to what the gpu is doing.

>>10345480
Don't forget to use headphones.
If you use your tv speakers and sit around 4 meters away from them, then the speed of sound needs over 10ms to reach your ears. That's an unacceptable amount of desynchronization!

>>10345496
just say you're poor anon

>>10345536
Nah, I can afford decent headphones.

>>10344897
What will the next cope be when Mister Saturn and N64 cores inevitably prove themselves lacking, because of weak hardware?

>>10345954
At least it still makes poorfags seethe.

Somehow there’s no room for middle ground people like me who think FPGA are incredible but are waiting for them to get a little more polished on the core side. For now my mini PC emu box is enough, eventually I’d like to graduate to a mister or mister equivalent in a few years, and I genuinely believe these are critical for proper preservation going forward, but for now I’m in my mid 30s and don’t play enough games to justify yet another way to play them, but don’t fault misterfags at all and think it serves an important part of the retro ecosystem.

>>10345954
at least it's not retroarch

>>10345960
lol wtf is this cheap mass of crap? An actual PC is more expensive and much more capable. I think you're the poorfag larping as a rich boy. Have fun with your second-rate Raspberry Pi.

>>10344651
He is Russian-speaking but he became highly pro-Ukraine after the invasion, to the point of changing the spelling of his name from Sergey to Sergiy on all his web pages. He may not be in immediate danger, but he risks being drafted at any moment to fight for his new "motherland". In 2022 there were many reports of males being randomly captured by police on the streets of Luhansk to be drafted.

>>10346061
>wtf is this cheap mass of crap?
A badly done photoshop used to bait retards.

>>10342167
Let me know when the thing is out and doing stuff the mister can't. Which is going to be years away or never.

>>10346136
How hard are you going to cry, when you can no longer charge an extra hundo on all those de10s you've been hoarding, mister shill?

>>10346136
How hard are you going to laugh when we have an alternative FPGA option foistering a healthy spirit of competition.

>>10345981
A little more polished? The only reason new cores for systems like Saturn and N64 are being added is cause they're using mister as a beta test, for the next generation of fpga systems. Anyone with a mister benifits from it, but the goal is not to create new core running flawlessly on mister. The goal is to iron out the most of the kinks before MARS ships. People dedicated to mister can't even be bothered to create stable cores of hardware like pc98 and x68k, despite mister having enough muscle to handle a couple archic japanese computers. So who do you think is working on Saturn, N64 and why? Yeah, exactly. The devs that mattered have already moved on. Just like they did, when they went from pi to mister. And of course some little shit will refute my claim, cause like always, they're still on loser denial.

>>10346238
>my open source software is better than ur open source software
You are stupid.

>>10345981
Core? Oh you mean emulators! Gotcha.

I like the idea of an all in one emulator box I can just plug into a TV and be done with (without lugging my whole PC around), and the Mister seems considerably better than a Raspberry Pi, or any other equivalent. Am I wrong?

>>10345960
Poorfags are more likely to buy a MiSTer than buying consoles or building a powerful gaming PC.

>>10346246
It depends on your usecase. What kind of displays do you use and what do you usually play?

>>10346269
I'd be aiming at mostly playing on a CRT, but occasionally lugging it in front of an LCD, if I'm away from my own TV.

Emulation is for Jews, FPGA is the white man way to play vidya

>>10346238
Ok I don’t really care if it’s mister or something else, as a consume I’m still waiting for polish, whether that’s the mister or the next platform. You didn’t refute my point at all.

>>10346276
FPGA is emulation(via "hardware) dummy.

>>10345480
>Its impossible to output closely synchronized audio and video on standard pc hardware
What do the voices in your head tell you "standard pc hardware" is?

>>10346275
Your options are either a Pi or a Mister if you will be moving between CRTs and flatscreens. If you don't mind spending the extra money go for it.

>>10346285
What exactly did you expect me to refute? If you're not satisfied with what is essentially cloned hardware, you're never going to be satisfied. On the other hand, if you're waiting for near perfect cores ofSaturn&N64, that likely won't happen. I'm not shilling hardware, so I don't have to pretend the support will always be there. Just like Ikari promised SA1 support back when sd2snes came out, eventually whatever gets added will be added by someone else and it'll probably take forever too, just like SA1 support did.

But, in the case of mister, once forks for newer fpgas are added, you might never see support added to it. There won't be any incentives for them to do so. That's how it always goes and always will.

>>10346241
Are you naturally this stupid or is strawmanning in 2023 the only thing you're capable of?

>>10335707
Anon, with a few minutes of research you'd know that the gen5 consoles are NOT 1:1 FPGA re-implementations, but more like emulation that uses a FPGA to achieve the goal.

>>10346290
I'm afraid he's right. PC audio got royally fucked early on because soundblaster won. Instead of hardware that plays audio samples in hardware when told to by the CPU, instead they built a super shitty system where it DMAs samples from a ring buffer so games have to pre-process and buffer enough to cover the gaps between game logic loops. This got even more fucked when windows stuck its dick in so now not only are the games buffering, but since they have no direct access to the hardware anymore there's usually a buffer in the driver too that no one has any control over. This is why those shitty emulation devices like the sega megadrive mini console have terrible audio lag, because no matter how good a job M2 do at reducing their buffering, they can't do shit about the audio driver without the source.
Mister isn't some magical device full of sunshine and rainbows, it's just a golden opportunity to teach the world that we don't have to constantly live with retarded IBM-PC compatible "standards" that are always the worst fucking option in history that succeeded due to shitty companies forcing out all competition.

>>10346091
Given how low-IQ you need to be to actually support the Mister, how can you even be sure that Frankenstein shit isn't real? It wouldn't surprise anyone. lol

>>10346520
Nah pc audio went to shit when Microsoft caved to big nose, ending the era of hardware accelerated audiocards

>>10346520
For once a good post in this topic.

>>10346575
Mister is a hobbyist project. You want to hook up a real tape drive to the Spectrum core, you can. You don't have to though, it'll load a tape dump just fine.
You want to use your real quickshot 2? Well, that's another adaptor. You don't have to though, you can use your SN30 same as on PC.
Want analog video? Yep, that's another adaptor.

Think about it this way, if you wanted to hook up a real SNES joypad to your PC and output to a PVM, you'd need at least a SNES -> USB adapter and a HDMI -> Component adapter, right? Mister is no different, it's a dev board, not a video game system. You're going to need a couple of extras.

>>10346246
God I hate what the fucking Raspberry Pi has done to the reputation of emulation boxes.

>>10346520
I'm afraid "he" (You) are just as ignorant as you are mentally unstable. The voices in your head may tell you to cope and say "cause soundblaster won" but the reality is there is no "standard pc hardware" for audio other than maybe the PC Speaker. Those voices can tell you to cope harder and blame Windows, but the claim was:
>Its impossible to output closely synchronized audio and video on standard pc hardware
Windows wasn't even mentioned in that shitpost of epic ignorance.
It's regrettable that the incessant shitposting about hardware emulation by some of your fellow zoomers has triggered this delusional disorder in you. I sincerely hope you get the help you need.

>>10346298
>Your options are either a Pi or a Mister
See what I'm talking about? There are anons who actually believe this is all that's out there.

>>10346704
Can you explain how to achieve lagless audio via PC emulation?

>>10346708
>Can you help me cope?
lol. no.

>>10347014
If you can't explain it then you are just a shitposting troll.

>>10347037
>i-i-if u don't take my bait cope i will call you a big poo poo head
lol. Knock yourself out kiddo.

>>10346275
Get a Mister. That's pretty much how I use mine. There really isn't a better solution for use with a CRT, and is also portable.

>>10347674
>There really isn't a better solution for use with a CRT
The original hardware?

>>10347741
For an all in one emulation box like they were saying.

>>10346705
He asked for something portable that connects to both a CRT and modern TVs. I guess he also has the option of using an old wii but that lacks HDMI and that is all most modern sets support besides composite which looks shit on modern displays.

>>10347745
A small form factor PC?

>>10345279
ignore the compat list things have updated too rapidly for it to be much use. B&K and Mischief Makers are just plug and play, and Mario 64 and Perfect Dark just need quick patches to bypass the TLB until that's implemented. Games like mario kart, wave race, ocarina of time, etc are fully playable with no issues. youll be impressed.

>>10346061
you fell for this?

>>10347884
I said better.

>>10335829
That's what I wonder toO. What can I play on this overpriced piece of shit that I can't emulate on a secondhand PC? The only advantage I can see is being able to hook it up to a 15KHz CRT.

>>10335829
That's what I wonder too. What can I play on this overpriced piece of shit that I can't emulate on a secondhand PC? The only advantage I can see is being able to hook it up to a 15KHz CRT.

>>10347939

>>10348305
At this point it's clear a large segment of /vr/ just doesn't have the technical know-how to make an informed decision about this vs emulation.

>>10336269
the negative obsession with this device is insane

>>10348320
I'm just tired of people shilling this shit.

>>10348697
Buy a Mister!

>>10348707

>>10348707
No thanks

>>10335959
Because nobody talked about it in the archived threads. Slap fights all the way down.

>>10336078
>>10336091
Lots of projection in these posts, post your PC specs.

>>10340032
To me it's not worth it because I have a passing interest in playing the games I loved as a child, and I don't own a CRT television or monitor. I already have a modern computer so I just play it on that. The biggest investment I made was for an RG35XX at $60 and I've enjoyed it. If it could run Time Crisis arcade games with a PS1 or PS2 light gun I would see a reason for me to have it. I appreciate that there is a device like this, and the negative comments seem to always gravitate towards the N64 and DC as if the Rpi has any hope of emulating those consoles either.

>>10349251
>I have a passing interest in playing the games I loved as a child
/vr/ - retro games

>>10335707
No refunds. I won't lie, though, that they've gotten N64 and Saturn to even this state on such a potato fpga is impressive. I'm just not gonna pay to beta test it, is all. I've been through the early days of emulation already. My emu setup is already low latency. The only real benefit of mister is agnostic/universal input support through SNACs.

>>10335980
Yes. I have a transcoder setup and a dirt-ass cheap SFF AMD APU machine with crtemudriver compatibility paired with a consumer tube. Not my main emu rig, but it's nice to fuck around with.

>b but the youtube hipster man said this is more "genuine"

>>10347884
Which is what the Mister (or the Pi) is?

>>10347905
I played the first level of Banjo and it was flawless. It looks like the core can play a small selection of games that don't require certain CPU funtions perfectly even in this beta state. I just ordered an nso 64 controller and will probably finish it after that arrives. After that I will wait until some more work is done before I play the other handful of games that are worth playing on the N64. I am always impressed with the technical achievements nintendo autists pull off.

>>10347674
bull fucking shit dude crtemudrivers, switchres combined with emulators far more capable than Mister have existed for years. Just admit you fell for fancy youtube man.

>>10351759
There is notable input lag on this with emulation and it adds an extra layer of finnickyness to break your already janky emulation set up. Why does nobody ever post about it in the emulation threads? Why does nobody post pics showing it working? It is more trouble than it is worth and everyone just gives up and emulates on LCDs.

>>10351783
>input lag
I'd love to give you the pepsi challenge on my setup vs your Sister
>i it's too hard, j janky
Yeah over your alpha testing stage shillbox I'm sure. It wasn't that hard or expensive to set up and it runs mature emulators at 240p.
>gives up and uses modern displays
My main setup is my OLED + VRR and it's miles ahead of your shit too.

>>10351793
>My main setup is my OLED + VRR
So like I said you don't use CRTs.

>>10351795
Are you okay? I just use one more than the other, but I most surely do and just described how, dummy.

>>10351802
>I just use one more than the other
Why? What usecase do you have the CRT for and why do you prefer to use a modern display?

>>10351759
crtemudriver and switchres fucking blow
and with those you still have to use some sort of shitty vga adapter thats going to fuck things up even more

>>10351793
im going to keep enjoying my mister and you're going to keep seething

I'm grateful that I was smart enough to not get suckered into buying a MiSTer.

>>10352102
Lucky you. I regretted buying mine.

>>10352102
Which means that you've saved enough money to pre-order MARS for $699!

>>10336185
>it keeps prices on real hardware down
>it keeps prices on fpga chips somewhat down
"real" hardware my ass. also it's autists like you that keep such overpriced hardware alive.

>>10340286
this. MAME furry devs are retarded. also they're added Game n Watch shit to MAME for no reason. expect more 1000GB ROM SET updates!!!

>>10351793
>I'd love to give you the pepsi challenge on my setup vs your Sister

upload a video of you running from left to right the full length of the widest part of the Millennial Fair in Chrono Trigger for like 10 seconds.

why won't a single PC shill ever do this for me?

>>10347930
It is better.

>>10351689
The Mister is not a PC (unless it programs itself to be).

The RPI x86 is a shitty PC. A standard small form factor PC is better.
Or just use a mid-tower like a sane person.

pr4m0d keeps creating drama on X because he has poor social skills

>>10351759
Mister offers a far better experience than dealing with all that mess. I can plug it into whatever monitor I want and it just werks. Fuck dealing with crtemudriver, switchres, retroarch settings, all that jazz.

>>10352608
So what you're admitting is you are a dimwit who cannot into computers. Got it.

>>10352725
whatever helps you cope, brother

>>10352725
Believe it or not, convenience and ease of use makes playing games a more enjoyable experience.

>>10352829
>>10352893
The computer is the most convenient method to use when you actually know how to use it.

>>10335771
*in English

>>10353313
Every Saturn game worth playing is translated if you dislike jrpgs. The Ps1 has more untranslated cool shit than the Saturn.

>>10335707
is shit,i think even the chinese console i bought that allowed me to pu games was better.
>buy mister
>test it for a week
>is shit to setup.
>buy a chinese console
>has the games inside and is portable
>can run mame,snes,megadrive,nes,master system,gba and so on.
>i can add custom hacks
>cheaper then mister.
>see how there are people drooling themselves for a mister
>resell at double the price i bougth it
>within an hour it was already bougth

>>10354547
Nice money doubling hack bro. Just do that again with 500k worth of Misters and you will be a millionaire!

>>10354573
i do that selling chinese tablets.
>buy a lot for 300 dollars
>lot is 100 units
>each cost me around 3 dollars
>sell each unit for 50 dollars

>>10348707
already did
love mine

love the saltmines it created online
uninformed people seething
convinced their toaster pc
or their shitty android is
"WAY BETTER" lol
lmao even

>>10355726
That's an unhealthy amount of cope there, pal. But you do you.