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Just use whoever you like. The game's not difficult enough to warrant minmaxing between characters.

>>1314581

Thanks.

This music is really getting to me.

>>1314576
just use Aeris. straight beast modo

>>1314576
other characters will level up to a lesser degree/over time while inactivem so you can use whoever you want. also with the materia system you can specialie characters (mages, brawlers, titfuckers) or have everyone balanced out

Yeah, you can basically fly through the game with Cloud / Aeris / X. Just keep your materia up to date and balanced.

Have fun!

>>1314593
>>1314587

Thanks.

Eventually you'll hit the damage cap and you'll want characters with multiple hit limit breaks. That means Cloud/Barret/Cid.

>>1314606

Thanks.

You know, the more I play this, the more angry I get. I was never into RPGs growing up. I'm playing this now and thinking, "Jesus, everything I've played in the last 10 years really sucks!"

I don't get it.

>>1314576

Aeris dies.

Use cid, cloud and yuffi. Get cloud and cids ultimates and use yuffis level 3 ultimate. Make sure all three people use enemy skill materia and get white wind.

>>1314619

Asshole.

But yeah, I learned that years ago.

you guys are asses

You'll want to focus on leveling Aeris a good 5 or so levels from everyone else, her limit break will get you through 80% in no time flat. She's a bit weak, so 5 levels will put her even with everyone else in your party.

>>1314614
Have you played anything else? FFVII is pretty good, but it kind of holds your hand the whole way through. Play through the classics whenever you get a chance, too. Especially Chrono Trigger.

>>1314593
sory for my typos, i am drunk

>>1314627

Thanks to /vr/, I've finished Chrono Trigger, FFVI, and Terranigma. Good times.

>>1314638
Check out Secret of Evermore. I'm going through it right now. Super fun.

I just killed a mommy bird for 10 Phoenix Downs! Now the two baby birds will starve. I am a dick.

There are some segments later that make you split party members off and others that require you to use a specific one.

>>1314619
Our spoiler is Aries dying, it isn't much of one.

>>1314576
well.. you can use anyone you want.. but if you want to use characters that are a bit "better" than the others then stick with

cloud
barrett
yuffie
cid

if you're a goddang nerd and you're planning on min-maxing (and only care about the absolute end-game) then the utter top two are barrett and vincent...

Yuffie + final weapon + morph = easy high damage morphing

Barett and cid have the best limits along with cloud

>>1314576
Red's Lunatic High is pretty useful early on(IIRC, it's basically Wall+Haste), at least until you get the Big Guard Enemy Skill.

And DO go get those Enemy Skills. Enemy Skill is easily one of the best materia in the game.

>>1314932
THE best standalone Materia in the game.

>>1314656
Holy fuck somebody else played secret of evermore? The game play was pretty great and fun!

Cloud/Yuffie/Cid

Cloud and cid on melee.
Yuffie on mug.

Its about time for my annual play through.

Cloud/Barret/Cid

You know why?

This is why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiXaT_1I-vw

>>1314576
Part of what makes the game nice on detail is that you can play through selecting different options and using different characters and subtle things and little details get revealed.

Basically every time your party pops out of your ass to say stuff, using different people or different combos can have minor variations, comedy, or a serious reveal you didn't know before that play through.

>>1315030

Definitely my most prized game.

>>1315290
No because barrett and vincent instant kill anything. That's why.

>>1315376
It should be noted that if you're not going to use the rollover glitch you're better off picking Cid over Vincent.

you'll wind up having to fight the second to last boss with two or three parties, and that can get rough if you don't have your second string lvled up.

>>1314606
>Yeah, you can basically fly through the game with Cloud / Aeris / X.
Yeah, good party, haha. Haha ;_;

Airyiff dies.

The best characters to use are those with multi-hit limits because KOTR aside this will be the only difference that will matter later on. There's also the problem of range but it's really only relevant in one battle (against Weapon).

Yuffie is notable because of the way her final weapon works with morph materia. Use l4 death against a chocobo.

>>1315787
All I remember about Yuffie is being trapped in her materia-stealing sidequest and hating her for it.

>>1315787
>>1314619
There is that mode you can try if you use a save editor to resurrect her. But yeah, terrible idea to use her if you're not going to do this.

First time I played and beat FFVII I was 14-15. quite a few years after its release.

I tried playing it before but only got to the part Sephiroth burned the town down.

I think I first beat it in 2004 if I remember correctly. Played a second time immediately afterwards and beat Emerald and Ruby. It became one of my favorite games ever and is somehow far more memorable then pretty much anything I ever played.

One day I will play it a third time.

>>1314576
>barret in the front row

>>1314576
All characters are the same, pick the ones you like visually. And the game is so insultingly easy, you don't have to plan ahead. At all.

>>1315791
Was there even a way out of that bullshit? I remember getting so mad and having to revert to an earlier save because I couldn't escape that hell.

>>1314576
> Is there any reason to use other characters for any particular reason?

No. Aside from limit breaks, the characters aren't all that different. It's all about the materia you have.

>Maining with Aeris
:( all that wasted time

>>1315902
>maining anyone

None of those faggots are in the sequel

>>1315910
Vincent is

>>1315912
Only his fagginess

The chars are all customizable. The best chars are the ones using the best weapons/armor/materia at that point.

like for example Red is the best attacker for a point in the game only for the reason that he gets a good weapon (seto i think) and is +20 better weapon than the others until you get some better ones.

literally just use who you like because the game is customizable so you can always win with who your faves are.

Me: Barret, Cid, Tifa, Red. I wish someone would make a .ppf hack where cloud is removable and anyone can have a field sprite. Cloud is such a fucking tard in this game sometimes.

>OP already knows Aeris is gonna die
>Uses Aeris

why

>>1315941
Limit Breaks

>>1315941
Why not?

>>1315941
Why do you post knowing this thread will disappear in a day? Why do you live, knowing you'll die?

>>1315791
>All I remember about Yuffie is being trapped in her materia-stealing sidequest and hating her for it.
>>1315864
>Was there even a way out of that bullshit? I remember getting so mad and having to revert to an earlier save because I couldn't escape that hell.
Wutai was completely optional. That said, it was a lot easier on subsequent playthroughs for me, since I made sure to have helpful items.

Barret's Mindblow limit break is pretty much required to fight Rapps, it'll stop him form using Aero 3 and the fight gets really easy. Vincent is actually really good their too, his Limit Breaks really shine when you have no materia.

>>1315864
Reloading a save or finishing it. It's not honestly that long, but the boss fight is hard if you do it before disc 2.

>>1316023
Going to Wutai is optional. But if you go there with Yuffie that sidequest is a trap. It didn't help that I was actually trying to advance the plot when I fell into it.

>>1315387
Agreed.

I always use Tifa because DOLPHIN KICK.

>>1314875
Does Tifa's limit not devastate? Not played or had much interest in years but I seem to remember it being fucking brutal if you got all yeahs?

>>1315941

OP here. I have her at Ice2 + All materia, plus her Healing Wind comes in handy. I could use anyone else with Cure + All I guess.

Christ, listen to me.

You all are fucking crazy. Tifa is mad good unless you autism yourself to everyone being overpowered. Get her Oversoul weapon - it doubles her attack in critical and quadruples it in death sentence, AND they stack. You put that on her, keep her critical and put the cursed ring on her and she will destroy everything. Plus, her limit break just gets stronger and stronger and stronger, AND each hit will do insane damage with her 8x multiplier.

>>1316250
At a regular persons end-game, yeah, she's a viable choice. For people who go far enough that every hit does 9999 damage, no, since her limit only hits 7 times as opposed to Cloud's 15, Barrett's 10, and Cid's 18.

But yes, if you're going to the end-game without grinding your characters past the point of any challenge, she's a great choice and her limit is pound-for-pound one of the best.

I never got that fucking thing from the piano, fuck Tifa

A few years ago I found my copy of FF7 and decided to run through it. Problem was that my PS2 memcard doesn't support FF7 saves.

So I just started to run through the entire game without any memory card, even worse was that I cranked the battle speed to max and turned on the ATB system as i felt that the game was so slow otherwise. nor did I use and walkthrough or anything like that.

It was a fun challenge until I got the part where Diamond weapon attacks Midgar and the game was unable to get passed the shot where his yellow energy blasts are blazing across the sky. What I saw was basically an endless loop of these things coming in. Basically, my disc had been damaged so that it was impossible for me to continue from that point.

key tips, get limit breaks and make sure you learn Beta. Also find out which enemies you can mug to get various weapons from, you pretty much always get them from enemies long before you can buy them.

>>1314576
Tifa master race, drop Aerithshit and put superior woman in your party.

>>1314576
Doesnt really matter, all the characters level up together even if youre not using them. You will have to switch between them at points so its nice to have them leveled up but you can just switch materia between them anyway, helps level it up faster than just having dedicated materia.

Enemy skill is the greatest skill atm. Make sure you learn Matra magic as its pretty handy since it hits all enemies and is fairly low level. You learn it from one of the robot guys out of midgar whom you can also steal a good Barret weapon from.

Make sure to learn Beta from Midgar Zolom. It might take a bit of grinding before hand but its super handy to have an attack that does higher damage than all your summons atm. Just make sure you have good defense against fire on Barret and equip him with Enemy Skill, you can either just run or kill the Zolom after.

>>1314576
Doesnt really matter, all the characters level up together even if youre not using them. You will have to switch between them at points so its nice to have them leveled up but you can just switch materia between them anyway, helps level it up faster than just having dedicated materia.

Enemy skill is the greatest skill atm. Make sure you learn Matra magic as its pretty handy since it hits all enemies and is fairly low level. You learn it from one of the robot guys out of midgar whom you can also steal a good Barret weapon from.

Make sure to learn Beta from Midgar Zolom. It might take a bit of grinding before hand but its super handy to have an attack that does higher damage than all your summons atm. Just make sure you have good defense against fire on Barret and equip him with Enemy Skill, you can either just run or kill the Zolom after.

Also the real thing about leveling is just limit breaks. Tier 1 are learned when you kill a certain number of enemies, and tier 2 is learned when you use tier 1 a certain number of times.

Dont bother leveling Cait Sith

>>1315820

Barret does have a couple melee weapons, you know. I'm not sure if he's at one of those points but it's something to consider.

Just use yuffie, she can morph best, otherwise use strongest limits... Which are useless cos ruby and emerald goes down in round two kotr, and every character can do everything amd the same

>>1314576
Never use Vincent, has the worsts limits.

>>1317098
His limits are the best for Battle Arena farming all the status effects and stuff have no effect but jack up your points really high anyway.

>>1314576

Someone probably already said that, but the game is easy enough to use whoever you want. The last time I beat the game, my main party was Cloud, Tifa, and RedXIII (and sometimes yuffie), and even the optional bosses weren't much of a challenge, just requires a little preparation.

Just use the characters you like, it really doesn't matter.

Have fun OP.

>>1314576
>he didn't do the hidden quest to add Rufus to his party
You'll never have the ultimate team, OP

Limit breaks aren't important or dependable enough in FF7 to exclude characters. The real place to focus on growth is materia and choosing the right materia combinations; this is the real meat of the game. I just use the characters that I like the best on a personal level just to read all of their dialog.

Tifa and Cid for levelling materia.

Cait Sith for fun.

>>1317209
>>1314619
he's just playing the game for the 1st time, he's not a complete retard.

>>1317209

Remember when Advent Children retconned Rufus' death?

>>1317576

You mad brah?

Give Tifa the death sentence ring and the glove that powers her up when she's got status effects. top tier shit.

>>1317576
>>1317589
>all those games and movies continuing the story
>all those post-game fanfics I wrote in high school...ruined

>>1317615
did you bring aeris back from the dead in your fanfic?

>>1317615

Did you have Holy kill all the humans? Because that was my headcanon.

OP here. Apparently I am missing one of the most loathed part of the game: capturing Chocobo.

Hooray for save states. I just run across the marsh or whatever the hell it is that giant snake lives in.

What is this world coming to when people ask advice on how to play Final Fantasy 7?

The game that could not even SLIGHTLY tax the brain of a legitimate Downs Syndrome sufferer?

Of all the easiest fucking lollipop rides you could have chosen.

Everytime a thread like this appears, I really do have a good 3 minute chuckle.

>>1317814

Nobody minds capturing the chocobo. It's pretty easy. It's BREEDING them that's the nightmare.

>>1317827
Honestly the game would have been pretty challenging if the monsters were a bit stronger or level scaled.

I always wished some of the more strategic materia was earlier in the game and that doing side mission or finding items didn't over level you.

I know it has a PC mod that sort of does that but it also ruins a lot of other stuff too.

>>1317837
Good news, the answer to your prayers already exists http://www.insanedifficulty.com/board/index.php?/forum/104-final-fantasy-vii-hard-type/

It really does bring out the wasted potential of the combat and materia systems, what FF7 should have been. Planning ahead, thinking of equips, of negative % Materia effects.

I have tried to peddle this mod before on this board but nobody's interested in a challenge, they just want their hand held.

>>1317849
Looks interesting but the website doesn't seem very descriptive about it. Or is that because I haven't made a log in?

I know the Nightmare mod out there works with Tifa's Package, but I threw that away because it made Materia level slower...which most materia already leveled way to damn slow.

>>1317837
If this >>1317849
is the same mod you were talking about, I havent noticed many faults with it, aside from having Godo as a random encounter in Temple of the Ancients, that was really dumb.

>>1317862
Sorry, here you go http://www.insanedifficulty.com/board/index.php?/topic/3495-fantasy-vii-hardtype-beta-13/

>>1317872
>http://www.insanedifficulty.com/board/index.php?/topic/3495-fantasy-vii-hardtype-beta-13/
Neat this looks promising now this is different from NIghtmare.

Don't get yuffie OP, she's a useless whore and her sidequest is asinine.

>>1317905

Honestly I didn't even know there were character sidequests until i stumbled into Red's.

>>1317576
I've never seen Advent Children, and judging from hearing this new piece of information about it, I never will. Thanks for the heads-up, anon.

>>1317905
>Yuffie
>asinine
>I'll give her face a six
>and her asinine

>>1318025
Oh you.

>>1318025
>and her asinine

I like, I like.

>>1317905
>her sidequest is asinine.
>oh no I can't do anything without muh materia wtf
It's not really that hard.

>>1317975
Red has a sidequest? There's that cavern but that's mandatory.

>>1317905
She's great for using Morph once you get her ultimate weapon, especially in the Gelnika.

>>1318043
I didn't say anything about it being hard. Rewarding the player who finds an extra character by forcing them to spend the next however long wandering around a city picking up all the magic you've gotten to that point and forcing them to fight a series of bosses with a character you may have never used is pretty dumb though in my opinion.

It doesn't get any better than FFVII. Enjoy it while it lasts, and avoid all the FFVII compilation.

When you get Cid you'll change your party to fit him anyway for he's the best character personality wise tha you can get. Trust me on this.

>>1318069
Sounds like challenge, sounds like a game. What else is it suppose to do, shower you with rewards for finding a character? Quit being a pussy.

>>1318069
Well, the Turks appearing in that town is pretty awesome though.

Press O.

Win.

>>1318069
>forcing them to fight a series of bosses with a character you may have never used is pretty dumb though in my opinion.
Swap in different people in once in a while to keep the levels reasonable you big baby. When has an rpg ever rewarded you for always benching someone you don't like?

>>1318234

Suikoden 1. If you benched low level characters and never used them...if you put them in you party when the Moravia castle opens the EXP algorithm literally puts them to level 99 after one fight.

so you were rewarded for benching in S1. that's the only one i can think of.

>>1318431
It penalized you if you didn't bring certain characters in once in a while. Like Pahn for his duel and certain characters needed to be a certain level to recruit their friends. You still had to grab scrubs off the bench, it was just more merciful about it.

>>1318465

yeah that part was kind of mean because if you didn't have Pahn at full HP prior to entering the war battle even he'd be pretty screwed in that fight. You get into the duel and Pahn had half his HP......not fun.

>Play Chrono Cross
>Experience is given to all characters, even benched ones

It was impossible to have an underleveled character.

>>1318496

The only problem though is that C.Cross sux weiners and is awful.

>>1318496

Ah, but the microgains go only to active party members. Not many people know that for every level you DON'T use a character, they miss about +1 or so for almost every stat if they aren't actively used.

When I played through FF7...

Get Beta by beating the Zolom once, early. Go into the fight with full limit breaks on everyone and use Tranqs to get Sadness, because that causes you to take less damage. If you can survive Beta and then use it right back for the kill, you're golden.

Aeris was very useful all the way up until her death. Fury Brand made it much easier to satisfy the limit break use requirements to unlock later limits. For the "have to kill X number of enemies", go into the cave after the zolom and fight groups of 5 enemies, use Matra Magic (which you should have picked up outside Midgar) for the weak ones and Beta for the strong ones.

Once you get the Highwind you can start hunting down enemy skills. Don't beat Godo in the Pagoda until you have the fourth enemy skill materia, so you can get Trine on all of the ones you don't have it on at one time.

Other than a rather small number of things (just google FFVII Missables)... between doing the above and getting everyone's limits early, leveling your Materia, and if you care to do so, abusing the expanded W-Item glitch to get 255 for everyone in every stat...just use who you like and the game will give you a way to roll with that no matter how bad some of the characters are inherently.

(At least Tifa has a 7-hit combo limit break at the end, Red's limits suck hard.)

>>1315820

That is an adorable picture.

>>1318025

>>1317849
>insanedifficulty
>also known as 'how ridiculously tedious can we make these things without people complaining'.
"We've halved all your stats, and doubled all the enemies' stats. As a result, nearly everything can knock you down to single digits, so you'd better stock up on potions. Shops have tripled the prices of potions. Most enemies can inflict statuses, including instant death. We've somehow managed to make status moves even more useless when you use them. Oh, and the amount of experience and money you get it quartered, because grinding is fun."
-Literally every Insanedifficulty RPG hack ever made.

>>1318514
That's not true... that's IMPOSSIBLE!

>>1314576
Nah, not really.

It's one of the flaws with the deisgn imo- the materia system means you can kind of make any character do anything practise, the only major difference being limit breaks (which, to be fair, do matter)

This was a break from FF6, where every character had a mix of character-specific stuff and any-character magic;

I personally like the FF9 system the best, it makes you really need to plan what characters you take. FF7 means you can just take whoever you like best

>>1322608
Oh GOD, no kidding. That was my biggest pet peeve about FF7's Materia system.

Sure, certain characters had higher base stats than others. But there was NO reason to not go the obvious next step further: Have certain characters able to level-up certain Materia faster than others. Red XIII & healing Materia? High. Barret and element Materia? Low. From there, the NEXT step is obvious: Allow characters like Barret to be able to equip a maxed Fire Materia...but only be able to use up to Fire 2/Fira...whereas he gets a HUGE boost with a Mastered Independent & Support Materia.

>>1317849
>I have tried to peddle this mod before on this board but nobody's interested in a challenge, they just want their hand held.
Well you're not gonna win anyone over by insulting us. :s

>>1321589
the trouble is most jrpgs systems are not designed to be produce strategy. Figuring out elemental weaknesses, comparing 2 identical abilities to see which hits harder, and occassinally curing debuffs or healing isn't really hardcore stuff.

In order to have a 'hard' turnbased rpg game you either need to make the enemies very smart and activily try to counter the player (srpgs) or make it so that navigating the dungeon itself takes skill (wizardry)

no amount of tinkering with the stats of monsters in FF can turn it into a proper strategy game: it will just make it so the player has to grind more or relay on only the cheesy methods

I've always wondered why they switched from 4 party members to three in FF games. I can't figure out if it was a style issue: if they were just changing it to be changing it, if it was a technical issue: if the battles were just too detailed for the PS1 and it just kept up and became tradition, or if it was a balancing decision.

>>1324275

why did they go back to 4 characters after ffiv's 5?

it's design decisions.

>>1324275
It was a polygon issue. The models in 7 took too many polygons to render 4 characters in every fight plus bad guys.

Its why the combat models in 7 looks way better then the texture pixelized mess in 9 despite 9 harnessing way way more of the PS1 hardware goodness.

>>1317828
i liked breeding them, it was easy and cheap plus you get golden flying chocobo or was the black one the only one that flies? i cant remember now.

>>1324431
...none of them fly.

Don Corneo dies

OP here. I just encountered Cid. What an asshole.

I like him. Off to find some temple now.

Also, I've yet to breed a Chocobo. Is this something I will eventually have to do or did I skip something?

>>1325419
Chocobo breeding opens up in disk 2, and Cid isn't an asshole. Also, make a save outside the temple of the ancients. If you're too weak to get through it you can wind up stuck, there's two pretty hard bosses in there that are pretty much back to back.

>>1325419
you'll want to breed chocobos to eventually get a gold chocobo that can walk anywhere on the map. If I remember correctly it's needed to get some chests and stuff I believe there is something that you can't get with the airship and only with gold chocobo.( i could be wrong someone correct me if i am) either way it's not a complete FF7 game unless you got you a gold chocobo.

>>1325491
Chocobos aren't necessary to complete the game, but are to get some of the special items. Go for a gold because it can do anything the others can and is needed to get the best summon. If you don't feel like racing them there is a RNG abuse method you can use.

>>1325491
You can get one for beating Ruby Weapon.

>>1324827
He's thinking of Final Fantasy Tactics

>>1314576
>not using Tifa

She is probably the second best character in the game. Cid is the only that tops her in terms of usefulness.

>>1326445
Maybe if you sold your soul for good rolls.
Any back-rower beats her out easily.

>>1326445
>She is probably the second best character in the game. Cid is the only that tops her in terms of usefulness.

This guy gets it. I always have Cid and Tifa in my party whenever possible. They have the best limit breaks and the coolest lines.

>>1326445
>Google reverse image search that
>Get a futa doujin

>>1325539
I know someone's going to say it's possible in a minute, but I don't think I would want to try fighting Ruby weapon without some of the items obtained with the gold chocobo.

>>1326516
IIRC, it responds to KotR with Ultima, so it's better not to bring it into that battle.

>>1326516

test

>>1326516

There are extremely broken methods of defeating Ruby Weapon with just Cloud, Buster Sword, Green Chocobo and two materia. RW isn't immune to stop if it is from Hades and Mime allows you to cast an infinite amount of Hades, effectively making sure that he is never allowed to do anything

>>1327960

Actually he isn't immune to paralysis. Hades only applies slow

Why do you have Barret in the front row? he's got a ranged weapon so his attack isn't affected by being in the back. You can increase his defense that way. If you're using Aeris for spell casting (of course you are) then keep her in the back too. Rows are the most important mechanic in the game that they don't ever tell you about.

>>1328079
Pretty sure they talk about rows in Midgar, if you talk to everyone.

>>1328079
Not that guy, but doesn't Barret have a short-range weapon around that point? Atomic Scissors, I think.

Can someone please explain this to, since I'm fucking retarded or missed something crucial in the storyline.

Sephiroth summons Meteor, and Shinra tries to blow it to pieces by loading the Shinra rocket with huge materia, and sending it into meteor.

Cloud and his gang tries to stop them from blowing up the huge materia, because..why?
Because it contains "knowledge about the planet" or something?

I get that Shinra are the bad guys, but was it really a bad idea to destroy meteor?
Why couldn't they just let them use the huge materia to try to accomplish their goal, since there are a huge chance of everyone dying if meteor hits the planet.

This is something I never understood about FFVII, it might be something I missed, I don't know, but ffs.

And the huge materia is 330 times stronger than regular materia...why not just send a lot of fucking regular materia into the rocket before lauching it into space, since shinra has fuckloads of mako generators everywhere, and U can pretty much buy materia everywhere.

Fucking stupid if you ask me, but other than that the game is great...

Oh and btw, Aeris wanted to die, otherwise she wouldn't be able to summon Holy from within the lifestream..so it's not like se was killed, she rather sacrified herself.

>>1328197
Cloud and the gang know that only Holy will stop the Meteor, and blowing up the huge materia is a waste of good lifestream.

>>1328197
But if huge materia is already extracted from the lifestream, it shouldn't matter, should it..?

>>1328197

>And the huge materia is 330 times stronger than regular materia...why not just send a lot of fucking regular materia into the rocket before lauching it into space

I'm sure they mean that as in "You'd been 330 pounds of normal materia to replicate the effects of 1 pound of huge materia".

When you're sending shit into space with rockets, energy density is very important. I mean we could make bombs that are par with say fatman using just regular TNT, it's just that they'd have to be so big that you wouldn't be able to use them.

>>1328230
Yeah but regular materia isnt very big though, and just imagine who much they could fit inside the cockpit let alone the room they keep the huge materia inn, the hallways and everywhere else.

Huuuuge plot hole.

>>1328216
Not really much of reason to stop them from trying, since the Materia was already pulled from the Lifestream, and Cloud and co. have better things to do, like say, FINDING HOLY. They don't even have any real reason for confiscating the Huge Materia, and never do anything with it.

There really is no reason for them to stop Shinra, except Shinra is bad mmkay?

>>1328197
Materia is powerful but Meteor is on a completely different level altogether. Most materia powers are only capable of resolving small skirmishes, Meteor has the potential to wipe out an entire planet. Even if they condensed something as powerful as the Weapons into materia and fired it off it wouldn't do jack shit.

>>1328243
It was still a huge fucking waste of time though since metero was gonna hit in 7 days anyway, and they shouldnt bother with saving some materia, why not just try to find a way to reach sephiroth...
I just found this "mission" a big deviation from saving the planet. It really shouldnt be a priority.

>>1328249
Where do you think they get the Master Materia from? You know, "Grant every fucking spell without major stat penalties"?

>>1328261
Good point, didnt think about that actually.

>>1328261
Master Materia has nothing to do with the plot.

>>1328236
Not really. Simply loading a rocket full of stuff increases fuel requirement. You obviously want to reach your target and also make a large enough impact.

I mean take Saturn V, 99% of the entire structure was just fuel and engine.

>>1328280
Well huge materia has a 330 times lager density than regular materia, which is the argument that is used for launcing it instead of regular materia, so that would only make sense if there was a lack of space inside the rocket, which there is not.

>>1328275
Yeah it does. They make a comment about needing the huge materia. Obviously because its extremely powerful and helps you defeat Septhiroth.

>>1328175

hm. yes, if Aeris is in the party there's a good chance he's in the Temple of the Ancients...and i remember Barret's best weapon being a Boxing-Glove silly weapon at that point. So yes, there's a good change OP is not in fact a big faggot.

>>1328295
I don't remember ever hearing that. Let's see...
>Red XIII
> "And the Huge Materia......"
> "You mean the Huge Materia, don't you? I've heard about it."
> "When our small materia hears the larger one, something should happen."
> "I'm certain of it."
> "That's why we're using the power of materia in our fight......"
>Barret
> "Can't let Shinra get a hold of the Huge Materia!"
> "Besides, when Cloud gets back, I wanna show him his Huge Materia.
>He's gonna be shocked."
Hmm. Just to show it off...
>Cloud
> "There are generations of knowledge and wisdom inside the Materia."
> "We're gonna borrow their powers and save the planet from Sephiroth."
> "There's no way that we can lose the Huge Materia. You understand that, right?"
Oh, here it is.Near the end of the Huge Materia quest. Pretty weak though, considering that plot wise all they do is hoard it to keep it away from Shinra.

>>1328309
Sweet, that's what I missed then I guess.
Thanks for clearing that up, at least it makes some sense now :)

>>1328289

Loading more stuff in a rocket reduces it's range. It's how rockets actually work. Just because there is a bunch of space left doesn't mean you can afford to pack it with stuff.

>>1328306

...also, Barret taking more damage means you can do more limits....so, even i use Barret in the front with Hypers on him most of the time. So even if you has Barret in front either way who cares...a front Barret all hyper will be dealing out a lot of Lazors or Felix Unger Maxes at that point of the game.

>>1328309
Well, you aren't going to find anyone claiming that FF7 has a good script. But it is their motivation for getting the thing; the same as the power-gaming player's motivation.

>>1328309

To be fair, the team doesn't really know that they won't use them. I mean say you were a person in that world and you were fighting some guerilla war, wouldn't you assume that stealing one of the worlds most powerful materia would help you somehow?

>>1315002
W-Item is a strong contender, but only for the item cloning trick.

>>1315791
Yuffie's Conformer weapon deals damage based on the enemy's max HP, so it's always maximally effective against every enemy at every level, regardless of defenses. Combine that with long range and it's the best weapon in the game, bar none. The Conformer is the main reason to play Yuffie.

>>1315941
>not getting Aeris' level 4 Limit Break on Disc 1

casual.

>>1316250
The only real problem with Tifa is that her final weapon, the Premium Heart, is the crappiest of all of the final weapons. Each final has a property that causes its damage to fluctuate. Yuffie's is the best since it's based on enemy HP. Cloud's does more damage when he's closer to full HP, and so on. Tifa's has a damage multiplier that's based on how close she is to a Limit Break, so you're always choosing between using her Limit Breaks and then dealing a laughable amount of damage for the next several rounds, or dealing good damage on single hits but never activating her Limit Break. It's infuriating. I just use the weapon with the next-best stats. I don't remember what it's called. Platinum something, maybe? Much more reliable.

>>1328295
Keeping Shinra from getting it is also an objective. It's a nuclear Maguffin.

>>1328358

Agree. Tifa is hot as fuck and has the kewlest and funnest and best Limits....but her fucking Ultimate Weapon is SHIT i never even use it.

Meanwhile you have Barret who's got a weapon that isn't dependant on Hp/mp/limit-bar...but on how much AP is on his weapon. I put fucking 7 mastered counter attacks on his weapon I think and he was attacking 7 times for 10K (-1) damage every time a monster had the audacity to even touch him.

>>1328340

"Very high modifier against level 99, but only Emerald is level 99 (Ruby is level 59, Bizarro and the last Jenova 60ish and Safer is 87)."

Yeah she'll get all nines on Emerald for sure...but, very few other times.

>>1328394
By the extended endgame, she's doing 9800+ on sunken sub enemies and up. She's also a beast in the Gold Saucer boss arena.

>>1328358
Or you can cast haste and berserk on her and watch the numbers fly.

>>1328432

I dunno. getting enough APs on Barret after spending some time at the "Lake" (learnin' how to check n' learnin' to skate)....ensures he does 9999 all the time everytime.

But yeah, Barret, Yuffie and Vincent (who gets more damge per enemy murdered) are the best 3 weapons. Only Barret and Vincent can crash the game code and the damage limit though.

>>1314619

I had known it for years, and when I first played through the game last Spring, that scene still affected me.

Is there a recommended set of materia for all characters?

>>1328685

counter-attack, counter-attack, counter-attack, counter-attack, counter+DeathBlow, counter+Mug, counter-attack.

>>1328685
4x cut

I never had a use for Red, I'm pretty sure he's just there for furry fan service. Tifa was pretty useless and even Aeris didn't get much love from me, I feel like having a healer is a waste of space when I can instead have 3 heavy hitters and potions.

>>1328687
Surprisingly there are people who like the material system when it's beyond broken and full of bugs. How did they drop the ball on the only battle system improvement they made?

>>1329217
>beyond broken and full of bugs
So it's like every other FF battle system

>>1329217
I think it's fun to play around with.
Compared to FFIX, it's a lot more fun.

FFVIII is better though, and FFX is far superior.

>>1314627
I second this

You should try VIII but be warned that it is a game that either you will love or will absolutely hate. At least that's what I've always been told, i am quiet liking it but I am only about 3 hours in.

>>1329308
Extremely satisfying game when you understand how to use junction, and the right GF abilities.

But I really wouldnt suggest it to a first-timer..then Id rather play IX.

>>1314587

Her limits on Lvl 2-4 are pretty boss. She seems to always be a magnet for attacks though. Hidden message maybe?

>>1329315
Yeah, that she's a prostitute. She's a prostitute, Tifa is Sakaguchi's daughter, Sephiroth is Jesus and Clous is a woman. Beyond me how the so-called "fans" always miss these obvious things, FFVII isn't that complex, really.

>>1329315


My guess is the game was designed to try to make you "need" the guard materia where one character takes the damage meant for another

>>1329348
Let's be honest, the game's not designed with gameplay in mind at all.

>>1329308
>You should try VIII but be warned that it is a game that either you will love or will absolutely hate.
I don't hate it, and I don't love it. I simply found it abysmally boring. Literally fell asleep playing, that's how boring I found it.

>>1329370
>he doesn't fall asleep to all his games!

Fuck I'm lucky to get two-three hours to game with a week, most of that time is at like 2330 or later.

>>1315290
>>1315387
>picking any team that isn't Cloud / Barrett / Tifa

AVALANCHE SAID THEY'RE GONNA SAVE THIS PLANET AND THEY'RE GONNA SEE IT THROUGH SUCKA

>>1329380

This guy knows what's up.

>>1329380
>>1329389
I really wish FFVII was about Avalanche fighting SHinra, not some bishie chase bullshit with aliens.

>>1329217

ya but to master all those counter attacks would take playing like 20 hours of fighting orange balls and knowing the w-item scam to get infinite elixirs to give to magic pots.....down at The Lake.

>>1329380
>Cloud/Tifa/Barret
Fuck yeah

>>1329430
Well, too bad. Deal with it.

>>1329470
I just can't.

>>1329472
That's your problem, not the game's.

>>1329476
And you're not helping.

>>1329479
Wasn't trying to.

>>1329481
Oh yeah? FFIX is good, FFVII is bad.

>>1329495
That is just your opinion of course, not the underlying foundation of reality.

>>1329501
It being my opinion and it being factually correct are not mutually exclusive, despite what you seem to be insinuating.

>>1329507
>it being factually correct

Heh heh, no. You are the very definition of a contrarian.

SHUT UP

ffix is objectivly better

I run like cid

>>1314576

I'm playing for the first time too OP and I'm boooooored.

It's a real shame. I don't care about Cloud or Aeris. Sephiroth is interesting enough but he's hardly been in the game so far it seems.

I've never played any of the final fantasy games in my life. But I never understood the hype around 7, looks like it aged pretty poorly to me. 6 looks way more interesting to me.