/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4069592
>Favorite character?

Design wise, Marquis of Elmdor.Story and play wise? TG Cid

>Favorite battle?

The one where you can catch infinite chaos blades in the woods.

>Favorite job?

Monk is the one that hooked me.

>>4069592
>It's been twenty years since it came out.

That can't be true...

FACK!

>Favorite character?

Agrias

>Favorite battle?

I haven't played long recently enough to remember a lot of them. The waterfall sticks out though.


Favorite job?

Lancer

One of the best games I've ever had the fortune of playing. Twenty years since, and yet to be surpassed.

>Favorite character?

Argath. He is a master of using beautiful language to denigrate the poor.

Real answer: Delita and Ramza. The story hinged on them both being perfectly executed, and succeeded.

>Favorite battle?

Hard to pick one, I'd say the entire run up to rescuing Thunder God. Just a great series of maps that build on one another culminating in fighting your way up the sleuce.

>Favorite job?

Orator. Mimic Darlavon is hilarious, and Enlighten has one of the most amusing spell descriptions I've seen in a video game.

>>4069592
What was the purpose of jobs in this game, if you can fill out team with characters like Agrias?

>>4069814
Still my favorite line in the game. It's a crime the remake didn't have it

>>4069592
>Character
Agrias
>Battle
Dorter Trade (literally stuck there so long as a noob)
>Job
Monk, so versatile, and since you can't be a Holy/Dark knight with generics, it has to do

>>4069592
>Favorite character
Weigraf, loved his character development. Starting as a rebel with noble intentions and flipping to a member of a secret organization with only revenge to spur him forward, I think he was amazingly done and incredibly natural. It's one of the few complete personality flips in games I feel is understandable and not abrupt.

As far as gameplay goes though, I like Mustadio because he rides the line between being a unique character but not being the game destroying monster that Orlando or Agrias were. Also, I like that his role in the game is more down to earth.

>Favorite battle
The Impure King. That was the point in which shit truly hit the fan for the first time, changing the game from one of political intrigue to "oh shit, there's some truly wicked stuff going on out there." It was good and bad, as the political intrigue was interesting and still went on, though at times the "ancient evil" plotline sort of stole from the more down-to-earth parts of the game.

>Favorite job
Lancer is my go-to, but I like the idea of chemist too. You've got a giant list of items with various curative effects, long range once you unlock guns which isn't based on your PA, and decent magic power if you go that route. You can have a lot of versatility with the class, although your HP pool will suffer for it.

http://www.sharecom.ca/poet/tactics/fftsayings.html

Those lines before casting spells in the game are quite cool. I've yet to see another RPG that makes casting spells cool before frying those enemies.

I'm looking for a FFT mod that is compatible with the Complete retranslation romhack or the PSP version

>>4070186
You should give Tactics Ogre a try, it's a romhack that makes FFT better

>>4070174
This is probably one of my favorite things about the game. It's so cool to see it pop up before you strike a killing blow.

>>4070186
Laggy Fantasy Tactics is the best one out there right now.

http://www.rpgdl.com/lft

It focuses on improving the flexibility of jobs, while not giving up their niche. It makes 'bad' jobs so much better, while keeping back jobs that are overpowering without destroying their flavor. It's probably the best mod out there for the game.

>>4071798
>Laggy Fantasy Tactics is the best one out there right now.
>WOTL translation
>innate JP up

Perfect! Thank you!

>>4070174
>http://www.sharecom.ca/poet/tactics/fftsayings.html
"Know, live, become a frog! Frog!"

Haha. Also, there's an "evil" magic? Is that a boss only thing?

>>4070186
That wasn't a retranslation, it was a porting of the PSP's dialogue. And you won't find anything compatible with that unless you make it yourself and include Complete in the patch, because of how ISO patching tends to work.

>>4070174
I've heard that Record Keeper uses updated spell quotes, not much known by me outside of that though.

>>4070174
Another neat fact: the Deep Dungeon levels have descriptions like most stores are menu areas. The cool thing is that all these descriptions are supposed to be quotes from Apocalypse Now.

This never really made it over here, perhaps due to copyright. Either that or both translations' dumb shit.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/FFT20th?src=hash

Good fucking fan art

>>4069592
>Favorite character?
Gafgarion
>Favorite battle?
Golgorand Execution Site, pic related
>Favorite job?
Knight

I'm replaying it soon, might be my like, 9th playthrough. Dunno since I stopped counting. I just finished XCOM2 for the second time so I have a taste for tactics games this month

>>4069843
I'd say it's a design flaw, especially since characters like TG Cid, Beowulf, Reis and Agrias have access to really good custom classes. Tactics Ogre is even worse at this because unique characters have better stats than generic ones.

Really, generic units are used when you decide that you're going to give yourself a bit more of a challenge and forego the use of unique units on a playthrough. Self-imposed challenges are meh to be honest, all these unique characters should have just been temporary guests like Larsa in FF12.

>>4072868
Playing for the first time and I'm stuck on this pos map. Every other map has been a breeze except for this bullshit right here.

>>4072884
If you've got a thief you should try stealing Gafgarion's sword, that way he can't use his sword techniques.

>>4072887
Have no problem defeating Gafgarion, but my units start dying immediately after he retreats.

>>4072890
Hmm, that's interesting. Can you post your squad you're using?

>>4069592
Alright.
>Character.
Worker 8 or Beowulf.
>Battle.
The whole Orbonne Monastery run where your sister is captured and you get the scriptures.
>Job.
I'm torn between Monk and Geomancer. ALso, Chemist blew my mind the first time i played the game. Throwing potions around turns you into a wizard?

I wish LUCT remake wasn't as grindy as it is. It has so many good ideas but had to take THAT one that made FFII somewhat unbearable.

>>4072893
1. Ramza (Squire), Mustadio (Machinist), White Mage
2. Agrias (Holy Knight), Black Mage
I use squad 2 thundaga and judgement blade to take out Gafgarion but black is incredibly slow and gets taken out moments later.

>>4072897
I feel like you need a sturdier party for this fight, like replacing a black mage with a heavy melee like lancer or monk... but that would suck to have to go out and grind them up

>>4072897
You could probably change Mustadio to a chemist since it sounds like you're having issues just keeping people up. If you can clear the rest of the map with your other units and just need to keep timers from hitting 0, then you should just focus on sandbagging one unit over and over to act as bait. Slap a wizard mantle on them too for some critical dodges to get an action once in a while as well.

You can also do what >>4072915 said and make a sturider party as well. Just make sure someone is carrying item since instant resurrection with no chance of RNG fuckery is pretty great.

>>4072976
>sandbagging one unit over and over to act as bait. Slap a wizard mantle on them too for some critical dodges to get an action once in a while as well.
To be clear since he's a newbie, "sandbagging" means reviving a unit over and over (phoenix down, raise, doesn't matter). The AI usually attacks the nearest unit with the fewest HP, so that's how the bait works

>>4072915
>>4072976
>>4072983
Thanks a lot guys, I'll try to take your advice into consideration.

>>4072976
Guess I'll be grinding Mustadio on the nearby Balias Swale map. Yay.

>>4073138
If you still have previous generics you can use them for this fight. You're not inclined to use special characters if you don't want to. Once you get past this fight you can travel the map again by moving past Lionel Castle.This will let you access the next tier of Castle Weapons from Igros, as well as the rest of the world.

Also as a pro tip since I can see this being handy. If you have a class that doesn't have throw item, when you use it on a square you can ignore vertical tolerance. So for example, Squad 2 starts below a pathway from above. If you have someone with item as a secondary without it, they can revive someone beneath them from above.

>>4069843
>>4072883
I think most of the uniques are actually pretty poor from an efficiency standpoint outside of Orlandu and Beowulf.

Agrias doesn't really come into her own until Perfumes and Knight Swords start showing up, which means Chapter 4, but at least you get a head start with training her up since she joins early. Also that base class is kinda shit, skillset aside.

Reis really only has good stats going for her. They're very nice good stats, but there's no practical difference against a generic if e.g you're using them both as Calculators and the generics has the advantage of being able to go on errands to cut down on the grind.

>Favorite character?
Zalbaag

>Favorite battle?
Last fight of chapter 1

>Favorite job?
On my last play through I really started liking Chemist. I think because it's such an early class I never really gave it a chance but guns + throwing items is amazing. Before that Lancer and Samurai were my favorite classes, but I always felt like they were kinda shitty.

>>4073385
Samurai: Bad stats, good skillset on classes who aren't Samurai.

Lancer: Skillset is really boring but decent ranged damage - ironically it's a much better skillset to use when you're either equal or slightly slower than the enemy or super fast.

Only class that can 2H spears with Doublehand learned though, which is really nice if you care to go get the Jav II or Dragon Whisker

>>4073368
Yeah, this is definitely something I had to drill into other people when I talk about the game with other people. Special Units aren't really that broken except for the two you mentioned and it's arguable that they're still not as bad as Summoner can be in the US version. They just give the player more tools at their disposal, which is a fantastic thing in TRPGs.

>>4073385
Chemist is arguably one of the most broken classes in the game just due to its sheer utility. A lot of people fail to realize just how strong some jobs really are because of other more offensive candidates.

They're really not that bad at all, you just need to optimize for them. It's better to slap something like a robe on the Samurai, especially a wizard's robe, since it will boost their MA. Magic Attack Up will also boost it as well. This means that Draw Out on a high MA class like Wizard makes them a ridiculously powerful killing and healing machine.

A Lancer with concentrate will be able to snipe people across the map with their skills. Here's a neat tidbit from the challenge FAQ on Gamefaqs I remember reading back in the day that really helped me visualize it.

>Jumping Fact: A jump lands (50/Speed) clockticks after being used. A Lancer with 10 Speed lands in 5 clock ticks. A clock tickis the moment of time in which characters' CT increase. A brief example follows to make things crystal clear. The same 10 Speed Lancer has two targets. Both have Speed 8. The Bomb's current CT is 50. On the other hand, the Goblin's CT is 70. In 5 clock ticks, the Bomb's CT will be 90 (50 + (8*5)), and the Goblin will have his turn, and end up at 10 CT (70 + (8*5)). Obviously, the Lancer should choose to Jump on the Bomb, since it won't have a chance to move beforehand.

>>4074894
You don't need Concentrate - Jump is 100% hit except against Blade Grasp, which Concentrate wouldn't help anyway.

It also isn't affected by Attack Up for some reason, so Lancers can pack something like Throw Item in their Support slot

>>4074894
>They just give the player more tools at their disposal, which is a fantastic thing in TRPGs.
Path of least resistance means that whatever advantage they have (however slight) over other characters means that they're the correct choice to include.

And I'm someone who has mostly forced himself to use generics on my subsequent runthroughs. The problem is that I have to force myself to make a nonoptimal choice

>>4075072
Oh you're right, I must of been thinking of FFTA's Dragoon's jump, which is hot garbage accuracy wise. Not that Bangaa can even get concentrate in either of the advance games.

Even if it doesn't affect jump, I can kind of dig two hands on Lancers due to the high weapon power of lances.

Looking over the BMG again, it's kind of surprising to see what would be useful on a Lancer since their skill isn't really affected by the usual stuff. Probably have to use one on my replay of the game I'm going through.

>>4075135
>Probably have to use one on my replay of the game I'm going through.
I'm thinking of starting a new playthrough pretty soon too. My plan is to change everyone to chemists and do a full chemist playthrough, like it's Breaking Bad or Drugstore Cowboy or some shit.

Not sure what I'm going to sub to the chemist though. Knight abilities might be golden after I can buy the first gun (I think it's Romanda? Can't remember)

>>4075430
They're stats are pretty bad so any sub is gonna use Faith-based or non-stat related abilities

Knight
Priest - Niche for Raise 2 or Esuna only
Thief
Oracle
Time Mage
Meditator
Summoner - For Golem only... uh, if you wear Heavy Armor also?
Dancer/Bard

are all viable choices.

>>4075438
>sub Time Mage to Chemist
>do the little spinny trick with pistols that actors in cowboy westerns used to do
Sold

>>4075132
I suppose they're the easiest thing given to the player to abuse up to that point. They're still not even the most potent option to use. A generic with summon magic will blow out special characters till the aforementioned Orlandu and Beowulf join the party. A summoner has the power of tier 3 Wizard elemental spells with a much wider range that are boosted by the likes of Lighting Rods and Wizard robes. Hell, just slap it on a wizard with short charge/magic attack up and you have a deadly caster that can nuke a few units over a wider distance than Agrias or Mustadio can. If you're playing the US PSX version they're probably on the same tier as Orlandu and company due to their spells resolving as fast as tier 1 Wizard spells.

That's just one example though, you can set up a lot of different generics that will perform just as well as special units for the majority of the game quite easily. Not that special units don't have their own good traits, but, it's not like generics are sub-optimal if you raise them properly.

>>4069592
>Favorite character?
I don't really care for any of them a lot, but I guess Meliadoul; I like the way she looks and I think it's cool that she joins you once she realizes the truth. T.G.Cid is also cool because he's such an unstoppable badass with actual morals in a world that shits on them. The astronomer kid too because of what he did.

>Favorite battle?
Good question. I like a lot of the battlefields, but when it comes to the battles themselves, I don't have a strong opinion. I like the lower levels best, and dorter trade city really sticks out among the early battles, because it introduces archers, knights, and mages, and I really like all the battles with strong vertical elements. Plus as a kid, I liked the idea of jumping around on mountains of crates. It even has a little water section, IIRC.

>Favorite job?
Thematically, lancers, in practice, ninjas. I like archers more than most classes.

>Favorite music?
Unavoidable battle & The Pervert

>Favorite map?
I guess Bervenia Volcano, but the deep dungeon caves are pretty sweet, and I like all the river maps.

>>4069948
Algus was a literal jew in aryan form.

>>4073138
You don't need to grind in this game, just git gud (no insult)

>>4076979
I'm dumb, I was mixing miluda and meliadoul; it was miluda that I thought looked cool.

>>4076979

>>4076979
>>4077042

>>4077094
Beautiful

>>4077104
One more for the road.

The whole set is hilarious. Thank you Matsuno.

Happy B-Day Final Fantasy Tactics.

>>4079038
it's too bad the samurai doesn't have the oracles tits, she'd be perfect (personally would change eyes to green too)

>>4079154
Samurai-F is truly one of the better character designs in the game, alongside Ninja-F. They both look so much better compared to the male versions

A while back, I had an idea for a game that is basically pokemon fftactics

Where battles happen on little gridmaps just like fftactics, except between pokemon. However, they wouldn't necessarily have to be one-on-one; it'd be cool to have up to six on the trainer's side (potentially more than six if against wild pokemon or more than one trainer). Each pokemon would basically be it's own class, with different abilities and upgrades to choose from with experience. Trainers could use items on their turns (not sure if they'd move around and potentially be involved in the fights). Moves would affect areas like spells (flamethrower would be a line many blocks long but only one wide, for instance).

I also wish they'd do D&D games like this; turn-based and with grid maps that have elevation and different kinds of terrain

>>4079297
I think you might like the idea of Pokemon Conquest since that covers a lot of what you're looking for there.

There's also table top games that do that, but, they're more war games than actual table top. I believe Dungeons and Dragons 4E goes into that pretty hard as well. The wonderful thing about table top games is that they can be modified to however you'd want them.

>>4079167
I personally think all the classes are really cute, male or female.

>>4069592
Happy Birthday FFT. I revisit this game at least once every year.


>Favorite character?
Agrias. On cool factor alone, since she's not the prettiest, and not game breaking like Orlandu, with all the disadvantages of being a woman in FFT, she's still strong in her own way.

>Favorite battle?
Difficult to pick one, but I clearly remember having Ramza yelling at himself until he's essentially the Flash. Another where Marquis Elmdor is surrounded and weakened with 4 people trying to gang rape him by tearing his clothes off.


>Favorite job?
I like monk for the versatility. Can self heal with others to their sides plus ability to do an extended ranged attack to grounded enemies, a great secondary skill.


>>4071798
I should give this Laggy Fantasy Tactics a try, make my next playthrough something fresh.

Is there a ROMhack version that keeps most of the original translation (it's the one I know best) but has the new stuff like events, battles, etc. from the PSP/iOS version?

>>4079604
FFTactex is part of a suite of tools that allows you to modify text but as far as a full patch goes so that you don't need to do it manually, I don't know. I've only heard of patches that change the original iso into the new text, as that's generally the preferred translation for many(it has fewer errors/actually translates meaning better, supposedly).

Anyway, I would check the FFHacktics WotL modding forum. I'm sure someone has done this.

>>4069592
After replaying this game so many times I started to leave Ramza's name and DoB as is, whereas I create myself as one of the generics rping as his silent right hand man. Now I do this with every srpg with a designated mc.

>character
Beowulf, that long range chicken, man.

>battle
Wiegraf's battle in the library, since after that will be my favourite scene in the game.

>job
Monk really. Has evrything, strong melee, range option, heals, clear, res.

>>4079604
There is a romhack that does this, however, it isn't out yet. I linked it earlier in the thread, it's named The Lion War.

Eh, I remember playing it as a kid and nearly dropping it as soon as Ramza stopped wearing his mercenary garments.

Thank you for the thread
The images posted we're a trip down memory lane


I was hooked by the story
The battles in the rain

>If your characters die they stay dead forever nuzlocke style

I overleveled a white mage named Angela very early in the game
She carried the team the entire journey spamming holy and insta-killing everything in sight

The final boss killed her
Her death hit me harder than when aeris got stabbed in the back

I was legitimately bummed


No final fantasy game in the entire series has ever held a candle to the ps1 release for me.

I'll always remember my white mage priest who never showed her face or hair, never said a word besides the spells that saved ramsa and carried him through the story...
Angela ,
Happy birthday

>>4081545
Headcannon:
>She knew she was going to die the entire journey, continued on silently for the good of the realm

>>4069592
I have never played this game. Is it as slow as Ogre Battles LUCT?

>>4081562
Nah, it's faster because it has smaller maps and a smaller squad size. This means that your squad and the enemy squad take less time to clash.

>>4081562
Think short skirmishes and saving often

Which in hindsight was a godsend,
I had to set an egg timer and was only allowed 1hr a day

>>4081545
>>4081554
That was a sweet story there Anon. I'm glad you were able to have such a story within the game itself.

>>4081562
Nah, FFT was designed as the opposite of Ogre Battle series in a few ways. The battle director and Matsuno talk about it in this interview from early 1997 I believe.

http://shmuplations.com/fft/

Really cool to read about the history of FFT development, wish there was more.

>>4081719
We rarely get much insight into what happens behind the scenes with the producers/developers thanks for posting, it was a nice read

I remember reading about FFT in gaming magazines and being blown away

FFT is the only ps1 game that survived out of my entire childhood collection (ps1 or ANY consoles for that matter) - my grandmother saved it for me somehow despite both of us having several tumultuous moves (sometimes even out of state)

She kept it for years in the original black label jewel case with her gospel cds

I didn't have a perfect childhood , we all lived hard lives ; but God bless them for always trying to have good games on deck.. I'll always be grateful

>>4081762
>We rarely get much insight into what happens behind the scenes with the producers/developers thanks for posting, it was a nice read

Noclip is running a really good documentary on FF14 this week if you're interested. Basically, it interviews all of the Square people directly about how their game production fucked up so hardcore that they had to blow it up with a virtual meteor.

https://youtu.be/Xs0yQKI7Yw4

I've only played ~2 hours of FF14 but I've found the behind the scenes footage really interesting.

>>4081857
That seems awesome although I'm too much of a poorfag to have any current generation consoles

Only have CRT TV's in my room for now and recently flipped my Samsung display (got it used anyways, traded for an iPhone to give to my grams)

I'll eventually get there though as ps3 and original xbone are next on the "to do" list in terms of collecting


I'll probably still check it out tho

>>4074894
Jump is such a hard skill to use optimally, but pretty great if you can.

The "charge time" is both one of its biggest strengths and weaknesses. The ability to remove yourself from the field and dodge anything the enemy can use is huge, and a jump landing does do a ton of damage, the only issue is actually striking with it. Seems like most targets are immune to root style effects like Don't Move or Sleep or whatever that would keep them pinned down, which means you really have to check the time to figure out how to use it.

>>4081916
>which means you really have to check the time to figure out how to use it.
frankly you need to be doing this anyway

>>4081946
Yeah, not him, but the turn order system is so integral to the game it's silly that the developers buried it deep in 2-3 menu presses.

Pic related is what a remake/sequel to FFT should have, an always-visible turn order bar on the interface.

>Job
A Ninja with Monk skills is just unfair

The remake for psp is the better version right? But I heard it has long loading times.

>>4082006
It has laggy slow battle animations due to some weird programming mistake but there's a fan patch that fixes it.

>>4081956

>Turn order bar

Not knowing whose going next makes the player play more conservatively and adds depth to the game. Now something like a speed or agility rank bar I can get behind, where you could kind of infer whose going next without going into stats or looking at their class.

>>4082006
My votes on the original but I haven't fully played through the psp version

>>4082028
>Not knowing whose going next
But they do know, it's just buried in 2 menus.

>>4081762
I actually have a similar story regarding FFT. It was one of thew few games I had the foresight to bring with me when Hurricane Katrina hit. So it was one of the few games I had the pleasure of being able to replay once I had power after the fact.

The other being Doom 3, but, we don't talk about Doom 3.

>>4081857
This looks really neat even if I don't care about FF14 that much. I'll check it out in a little while, thanks for the link Anon!

>>4081916
>>4081946
As a general rule of thumb, if you can view the target's CT. If their CT is below 50 you're basically always guaranteed a hit with jump.

>>4081956
You can also press left or right when casting a spell to bring it up on the spot. It will show you when the spell will resolve as well, unless it's jump. I do agree a turn order bar would of been cool.

I can't really stand The Banner Saga though, it's one of the few TRPGs I fell asleep during.

>>4082006
I like the Playstation version a lot better due to better audio, but, the PSP port isn't bad. You will need to patch it as well since it has an awful slowdown bug because SE can't do anything right apparently.

I could care less about the new translation they did for it, but, that's a lot more subjective than audio quality.

>>4082006
Either play PSP with a slowdown fix patch or the PS1 version with the PSP translation.

For some reason people are nostalgiac for the original translation even though it's far less subtle - as an example from the top of my head, a character that is supposed to be halfheartedly attempting to keep a lid on some very transparent rage in the psp, simply shouts angrily in the PS1 original. It's a poor translation, and even though there is some badass dialogue resulting from the bluntless (like >>4069948) i don't think it's worth losing the great WOTL translation. I mean, fuck, PS1 doesn't have Argath's gutter line. And he's Algus. Eeesh.

>>4083320
I liked doom 3 anon
I pirated it to play on my laptop
Never technically beat it though...


Life is crazy , I'm just so thankful for all the amazing memories

>>4083593
There were some brutal lines in the original

Ill start researching what differences there are between versions
Overall, the game is good enough to warrant collecting both versions

>>4083593
As someone who enjoys FFT in all of its versions I wouldn't really call it nostalgic when I dislike the PSP translation. I feel the way it is written is florid, wasteful, and redundant. The writer didn't have a good grasp on how to write in an antiquated fashion. The language just adds clauses and loses clarity in some sentences. If Alexander O. Smith had done it I would of been all on board, but, as it stands I can't really wholeheartedly recommend it despite adding clarity to some bits.

>>4083617
I've beaten it a few hundred times Anon. It's not bad, I just don't want to go back to those days.

>>4083620
This Anon understands, the game is good enough to collect multiple times.

>>4083320
>It was one of thew few games I had the foresight to bring with me when Hurricane Katrina hit.
Which state were you in when it hit?

Kinda off-topic but since we're talking about a game with one of the best job/class systems ever what did everyone think of the Bravely Def/Second jobs? I thought it was the best to come out since FFT. The Charioteer and Patissier jobs were really fun.

>>4083971
This series seemed really cute

Ive been meaning to grab them
I don't trust gaming magazines to be impartial anymore, would you say it's worth it?


I have the etrian Odyssey games for 3ds and those were pretty fun

>>4083991
The Bravely games? If you like Final Fantasy V they're basically more of that.

>>4083991
the first one is, the second is bad. The first one also loses some serious momentum in the back half, but the gameplay holds up the whole game.

I wish square didn't hate their low budget titles and we got more of them.

>Favorite character?

That is a hard question. Except for the absolute douche-bags like Delita and that rapist priest.

All the characters were, imo, extremely flawed in a realistic way. I always self inserted with the green knight/bandits at the start of the game for some reason. The scene and sound of the one getting murdered in the mill was crazy.

>Favorite battle?

All the hard ones. The ones where you are like "Ohhhh Fuck... I hope I saved recently", you can still normaly make it through them but they are very tense.

The time you fight Milinda when she has the perfume is my favorite though. Decent challenge, good dialog.

>Favorite job?

Geomancer hands down. Dual wield geomancer.

Samurai is close second, followed by wizard.

>>4075430

>do a full chemist playthrough

urrgh Weigrif solo fight is going to be a bitch. Stock up items for that auto-potion.

Sounds fun though.

>>4081009

that pic was a good battle too, despite my hatred of Delita.

>>4082006

It was good but I always preferred the PS1 version. The PSP cut scenes bothered me for an unknown reason.

>>4085801
>All the characters were, imo, extremely flawed in a realistic way.
It seems that was a specific goal in the development according to >>4081719 http://shmuplations.com/fft/

>When the theme is humans fighting other humans, I imagine the relationships and themes can get pretty heavy.

>Sakaguchi: One time I took a look at the whiteboard that Matsuno would sometimes have by his desk, and I saw this huge chart that detailed all the character relationships 1 . He’s quite the obsessive when it comes to his work! I remember seeing one of the connections between the characters, and it said “they have a hard time understanding each other.” I thought to myself, man, this is going to be a deep game.

>>4085808

I can see that.

I just wanted to give Milinda a hug and "make her understand".

Also I could see myself getting along with Ramza's older brothers after a beer or two.

>>4085821
You mean Mileuda right, Wiegraf's sister? Or Meliadoul? Actually I assume it's the latter since Meliadoul has Chantage

>>4069592
20 years and I still haven't finished the game a single time.

>>4083620
>There were some brutal lines in the original
>Though...Don't blame us. Blame yourself or God.
Has quite a different tone than.
>'Tis your birth and faith that wrong you, not I.
Though I love that version too.

>>4086294
The fanbase seems divided on which translation is superior

IMO the original release more closely matches the tone and theme of the story


I'm thinking of getting a PSP just to play the remake and see for myself just how much has changed

>>4086313
Yeah, it generally leads into heated arguments about which translation is better.

I also just realize I could play the game in six different places in my house due to how many copies I own. I am only limited by the amount of TVs and devices I have on hand. That's crazy to me.

>>4086294
Those lines say completely differently things, which is the problem. One is brutal and condemns her, whereas the second is filled with less personal animus and instead places blame upon circumstance while also establishing delita as emotionally distant (which is truer to delita's character)

The original translation runs a chainsaw through delita's character, but he sounds like more of an angry hardass and people dont speak like shakespearian faggots so there are a lot of people that prefer the inaccuracy.

>>4088841
>The original translation runs a chainsaw through delita's character, but he sounds like more of an angry hardass and people dont speak like shakespearian faggots so there are a lot of people that prefer the inaccuracy.
Delita actually wasn't supposed to be a character. Early in development Ramza was split into two characters, himself and Delita. The chainsaw was more like establishing him at all.

When they revisited the game with WOTL, they actually developed Delita as a character since the original was a hackjob (not even from a translation point of view, I'm talking the original concept). Note how they added Delita cutscenes and actually allow you to control him for ~2 battles in WOTL, which wasn't in the original.

Is Android good or absolute shit? Wondering because it's on sale.

>>4090702
Summons screw up the sound out of a shitty method of reducing slowdown and it crashes randomly, but other than that it's PSP with no trading.

>>4069592
>Favorite character?
Wiegraf
>Favorite battle?
The random battle where you fight 15 monks. I laughed so hard when it happened and then got my ass beat.
>Favorite job?
Just by itself? Monk, it could do anything.

>>4079604
The Lion War, when it's done, will be a base that basically adds in the new events into the PS1 version plus more. No translation updating.

There's also a minor fixing patch on RHDN for PS1 that basically fixes everything but the plot/event dialog.

So, anybody have interesting setups? It doesn't matter if they're good or bad. Effectiveness, fun, whatever. Just something that's not something you see everyday.

Wizard - Br: 80/Fa: 77
Jump/Speed Save/Equip Gun/Move-HP Up
Little guy wrecks shit all over the map.

>>4093820
I enjoy trying to make Malak and Rafa work sometimes due to how bad they first appear to be when you first get them. I've come to find they're actually extremely component units if you choose to pair then with secondaries that can carry their situational primaries.

For example Rafa has amazing innate MA that allows her to function really well as a wizard, or in an more unorthodox secondary, draw out.

Truth
Draw Out
Blade Grasp
Short Charge / Magic Attack Up
Move +2 / Teleport

Whale Whisker / Staff of Zeus

Flash Hat / Thieves' Hat
Wizard Robe
Magic Gauntlet

Malak on the other hand has really powerful PA growth and can use it effectively in other jobs. I love making him a tanky geomancer that can rarely be hit and isn't effected by magic.

Elemental
Un-Truth
Blade Grasp / Abandon
Defense Up / Attack Up / Magic Attack Up
Move +3 / Teleport

Rune Blade
Escutcheon (II)
Thief Hat
Rubber Costume / Power Sleeve
Genji Gauntlets / Bracer

That's just some examples though, you would obviously fill in lesser equipment if you don't have the recommended equips above. They can be quite potent if you're willing to put the time into them, but, so is everything so I suppose the point is moot.

>>4069592
I want an (easy) new way of playing through the game. Like a new challenge, that's not actually a challenge.

Any recommendations?

I'm going to cosplay her one day, she's frigging cool as fuck.

>>4095197
>>4093591
Forgot muh reply link.

>>4074894
Could you elaborate on how chemists are broken?

>>4095228
Fixed amount ranged healing with no variables or charge time. In a game with so much emphasis on range/distance and charging for abilities, that's quite useful. Yeah, you max out at healing with a 150 HP X-Potion, and yeah, your guaranteed resurrection will generally revive you with single-digit HP. But, doing that instantly and with no percentage of failure so long as your ally is in range? Priceless. Also, innate gun usage gives them a viable means of damage output. Which is necessary considering their stats aren't that great.

The fact that they have poor stats and lower grade equipment options is the only thing that makes them seem bad. Just like a normal Squire can still be used at endgame and still do decent damage if you really want to do it. Stats aren't great, but you can make up for it with equipment and creativity.

>>4095196
https://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/197339-final-fantasy-tactics/faqs/15661

There's a whole FAQ dedicated to it. I really recommend the Magic User Challenge, since it's a fun entry level one.

Mediator Ramza and Four Monsters is another fun one if you've never done it before as well.

>>4095107
which class has move +3?

>>4097016
Dark Knight, I think?

>>4097016
>>4097026
It's Bard. Females got Jump +3 on Dancer.

Dark Knights get +3 Jump if Male, and +3 Move if Female.

So is it worth going through the last dungeon? I just beat the game last night WAY over leveled so it wouldn't be such a grind, but it's only ten floors and that's it.

>>4097016
Bard does.

In the PSP remake, female Dark Knights also get it, so you can sub it in there as well.

>>4097289
Since the enemies scale with your level in there it might be a bit more difficult for you. There's also rare random battles across Ivalice you can try going for to push the game a bit further.

>>4097289
>So is it worth going through the last dungeon?
Aye, there's a tons of unique equipment in there, but you have to use Move-Find and land on the same tile in order to acquire it. Move-Find is inverse-Brave linked, so it's in your best interest to reduce Rafa's bravery to near-mutiny level before entering the dungeon, else you might receive the secondary quality item instead. Rolling a Brave check is the best item, and if you fail it you get something crappy like a Phoenix Down.

IMO you should complete the Darkest Dungeon at least once in your life, but FFT isn't exactly a difficult game when you know how to break it, so just once is probably enough. It's for the novelty factor really, since you can't see anything and the gameplay is very different as a result.

P.S. Darkest Dungeon / Midlights Deep levels are named after Apocalypse Now, the film. If you haven't seen it yet, do it

So, I had 129 hours invested in a FFT game. Just got Cloud and leveled him up to use his limits. Let friend play for 10min while I went and did something, I can't remember. Came back and found out friend threw my Materia Blade as an action vs some trash. Never played it again

>>4098884
If it makes u feel any better I never even got cloud & knew ahead of time about the event
I just fucked it up on accident as a kid with no internet

>>4069592
How different is this game from the main series? I tried playing FF6 once and I couldn't even get further than I did with FF7. Snoozefest.

>>4083640
I agree that the new translation is too florid. I liked the awkward bluntness of the original translation. The new one sounds like it's trying way too hard to sound like Alexander O Smith and making it an unnatural, stilted jumble.

As an example, the WOTL version of the pictured line was "'Tis your birth and faith that wrong you, not I" which is nowhere near as badass and memorable

>>4069596
>TG Cid
>Monk
Taking the easy path eh?

>>4069592
>Character
Weigraf for lore. Mustadio for game play. The engineer/chemist combo is just fun.
>Battle
I like the non story battles near the end of the game. The all monk battle on Grog Hill. The ghost samurai battle in Yugo Woods. The Tiamat/Behemoth battle in Barius Valley, etc. Also the cool battle at Poeskas lake which was also non story.
>Job
Monk for sure. It was too OP. After the internet came out I found out about Summoner/Samurai which is fun and super OP.
>>4083320
>white Olan

>>4069592
>Favorite character
Agrias by a mile, love her serious attitude but wish she had more to do in the endgame

>Favorite battle
Zirekile Falls where you have to protect Ovelia, the battle isnt that hard but the map is beautiful and interesting tactically

>Favorite job
Lancer

>>4099891
Slower, one of the best stories, more customizeable

one of the highlights of the franchise

>>4099891
Very much different. It's in the tactical RPG genre, so the game plays out on a chessboard, like Fire Emblem or Shining Force. Except this is isometric, and it also has height levels, so positioning is pretty important.

If you flank an enemy you'll have a higher chance to hit because you ignore the evasion on his shield.

It has the mainstay themes of FF in general with chocobos, crystals, summons, and the job system (from FF3/5). However due to the director Yasumi Matsuno being a westaboo who went to university for international politics, the story is completely different in tone from the other Final Fantasies. It's more about medieval power politics, nobility vs. peasant caste system, feudalism, and so on since it's modeled very heavily on the Wars of the Roses (just like Game of Thrones)

>>4100265
daily reminder https://twitter.com/prozdkp/status/882029864584269824

>>4100446
how is this relevant again? FFT exists because Sakaguchi wanted a Final Fantasy version of Fire Emblem

http://shmuplations.com/fft/

>>4100512
it's clearly a TO clone

help me design my party

I have ramza as a knight style character, wearing best armor and using best swords/shield

a ninja/monk

a whitemage/timemage

a blackmage/timemage

and a thief/mediator

The ninja/monk is set; he's gonna be great the whole time.
I don't know exactly what to do with ramza; I want him to be a knight with squire secondary, with hamedo reaction, probably two-hands vs wiegraf, otherwise using a shield. What would be best in the support slot besides two-hands?

I don't really need advice on my mages; mages automatically rock shit in this game. Kinda feels wrong to neglect most of the later classes, and I feel summons are too OP for me (despite using a ninja/monk with bladegrasp), but I kinda don't care with these guys.

What I really need help with is the thief/mediator. I want to have the ability to steal and poach, and I want somebody in the party who can use the magical guns without using a support slot. Would it be better to be a chemist in that case? Other than getting my brave/faith to where I want it to be, I don't think I need the mediator abilities; I don't intend to invite monsters to my party except to try some out for fun. But I don't know the mechanics well enough to optimize this. I know I need high speed for stealing, with concentrate, attack up, or martial arts. This is my get-the-shit-I-want character, who isn't terrible otherwise.

>>4101161
I find that Ramza's great MA growth allows him to be an effective Geomancer or Samurai as well. I feel like both skill sets are much stronger than Knight, but, that's up to you.

Two-hands is effective, as is attack up from Geomancer. You can also slap defense up or magic defense up as needed.

Another option for your reaction could be Abandon from Ninja which would greatly increase his evade adding to his tankiness. A last option would be something like regenerator which would give him automatic regen, which can come in handy.

I would say Chemist would be effective for your last slot. Item is extremely powerful and you can never have enough revival and healing on a team. Oracle can also be effective due to the various status effects you can put on enemies in conjunction with the ones you have on time mage. It can lead to a lot of combos, if you're willing to give up guns. Just make sure they have high faith regardless of what choice you make. Also when stealing, make sure to snag Martial Arts, since that will greatly increase your chances to steal items off of people.

>>4101141
Well no shit, Matsuno created TO, then he was hired by Square. Doesn't change the fact that Sakaguchi specifically asked him for a FF-style FE, as he said in that interview

>>4069592
I've always hated fft. Don't know why, tactics ogre is one of my favorite games ever and they're practically identical in a lot of ways

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/bx8Bm

>>4101161
Eh, your ramza is fine. I'd give him Attack Up or whatever it's called, if you aren't using two-hands.

For your thief/mediator; just don't try to be both at once. Be a ninja with steal, use secret hunt on wilderness maps and attack up or martial arts on story ones. You won't even find decent guns until halfway through chapter 4, and by then, you're already past all the best story battle steal opportunities (really, the only two that stick out are elmdore and the templar with the blaze gun/germinas peak chemists).

Once you've got the good shit, switch to being a chemist or mediator (mediator has slightly higher magic attack, but chemist is the better class option), take magic attack up, and wear element/MA boosting gear. You should be somewhat faster than normal due to having been a ninja for so long.

>>4101539
Can you try to put into words why that's the case? I'm interested in hearing about it.

>>4101680
That's really awesome, I love how that looks. Thanks for sharing!

Thinking about replaying it on an emulator with this patch:

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2119/

I never played War Of the Lions and it seems like this patch adds and fixes a few things so I might try it tomorrow.

>>4104241
Oh wow, I use to bug test this. It's okay, but, I don't know if I would recommend it as the first hack someone plays. If you want what I think the best hack out there right now is, try this one:

http://www.rpgdl.com/lft

That being said, Kind Of is okay. I wish there was PSP version of LFT, but, I don't think there is. They've also made their forums hidden recently, wonder what's up with that.

about to replay this on psp. super stoked.

>>4105956
I was kinda disappointed by my first playthrough of WOTL. The script changes and FMVs were pretty neat but everything else they added was grindy in a bad way, much like the crafting system in the remake of TO:LUCT. Dark Knight is the most obvious one, with JP requirements for skills that are ridiculously high even compared to other "knight" classes (like Orlandu and Agrias).

Fuck grinding, give me balance.

>>4104554
>I wish there was PSP version of LFT, but, I don't think there is
You could just run an eboot of the PSX version.

The mod tools for WoTL are a lot less developed than the PSX version anyway

>>4110548
You're right. I know they at least did a version with the WotL script though, so I guess no big loss. There's just a few new battles, but, those are already succeeded by the various new randoms in LFT.

>>4107787
They arguably made balance even worse with Balthier as well, who is extremely broken, even without the game shattering Barrage ability.

>>4104554
Been playing Kind Of and I'm angry that goblins have rend weapon/armor, chakra was nerfed to a single cell and Yell is now a mana free Haste spell. Oh well, I'm not gonna stop playing it.

I have my ps1 disc, a ps2, and a crt. Only thing is i only have composite cables

And i also have a psp and a vita (both with cfw) for war of the lions.

Which way should i replay?

>>4112551
Get component output cables for the PSP and play lions on your crt.

Btw is there an undub of that anywhere?