/vr/ - Retro Games

Can you think of a better alternative? (No, not Gunman's Proof)

>>4193696
Yes, I can: Oracle of Seasons, A Link to the Past, Landstalker, even fucking Beyond Oasis. But this? No, it's just too fucking broken. It's a messy, cobbled-together, poorly-assembled anal shit splatter of a game whose massive flaws overwhelm every positive attribute it has tenfold. Almost any alternative is better.

They could have made it great. It could have been the true 2D Zelda killer. They could have cut the game in half, spent more time refining it and making quality dungeons/puzzles instead of messy bullshit, and it would have been awesome. Instead, they fucked up.

>>4193640
>I can't believe you faggots shill this game so hard.
It's a decent enough game on it's own merit.
>It has absolutely nothing on the best 2D Zeldas, not even fucking close.
It really doesn't. The only thing the two games share is the perspective and some of the gameplay.
It's your fault for playing while comparing it to Zelda instead of enjoying it as it is.
You might as well compare any racing game to Outrun and whine about them too.

>>4193738
>It's a decent enough game on it's own merit.
There is nothing decent about it, other than art style and music. The gameplay is complete and utter garbage on every objective basis.

>It's your fault for playing while comparing it to Zelda instead of enjoying it as it is.
No, it's the game's fault for being a piece of shit. I'm simply comparing it to Zelda because that is the game series which is most similar. In reality, had Alundra just been "different" from Zelda, I would have enjoyed it. The problem is not that it was "different", the problem was not that I'm "comparing it to Zelda", the problem is that it is fundamentally broken on every level.

Puzzles that require you to autistically wander around for an hour just to trigger the appearance of a character is not "my fault", nor are the shit jumping mechanics, the useless items, the useless gilder, the terrible pacing, the terrible color palette, the reused assets, the tedium and repetition, none of it. That is the fault of the game and its designers and there is no excuse for it other than laziness and poor design.

>>4193738
>"The only thing the two games share is the perspective and some of the gameplay"
>explore 2D open world
>collect health and money from cutting grass and killing monsters
>unlock dungeons by progressing story
>solve puzzles to beat dungeon and win new weapon/item and heart cont- I mean, life vessel
>have inventory of items which do the exact same fucking thing as Zelda items do, going as far as to straight up rip bombs, fire wand, ice wand, magic gloves and magic capes right off of Zelda
>collect 7 magic items to unlock the final dungeon and beat the dark lord
Oh yeah, the two are nothing alike, the fact you can uhhh, jump, that totally makes them different.

What a fucking retard.

I couldn't finish any Zelda game to this day because they're all boring, lame garbage. Alundra may have some repetitive elements (normal enemies) but it's miles above anything Zelda can muster, especially story-wise.

>>4193993
>I couldn't finish any Zelda game to this day because they're all boring, lame garbage.
Meaningless opinion with no argument to back it up.

>Alundra may have some repetitive elements (normal enemies) but it's miles above anything Zelda can muster, especially story-wise.
Meaningless opinion with no argument to back it up.

Basically, you're a turbotard who couldn't be bothered to finish (or moe likely, play) a single game in the Zelda series, meanwhile you are pedantic enough to sit through the entirety of this shit game and say it is "miles above" all the Zelda games you haven't even finished. Try again.

>>4193640
>>4193746
>>4193750
>>4194721
You're mad as fuck aren't you, OP? Holy shit.
You must be the guy nobody wants to invite to do anything.

>>4194842
>You're mad as fuck aren't you, OP? Holy shit.
You're right, I am mad, I'm mad that I blew $26 on this piece of shit and wasted 20 hours enjoying it only for it to crumble like a dried turd thereafter. You have no argument for why everything I've said isn't completely true, instead you attack me with meaningless ad hominems that you think give weight to your opinion. News flash: they don't. You're a retarded cocksuck who defends shit game design. Either provide an argument or get off my board faggot child.

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>>4194870
>posting that dead meme
Lmao, I expected nothing less. No argument, just a gay meme that you "hope" will provide one for you. Boy, you know a game must truly be shit when even the fervent fans can't provide actual reasons for why it isn't. Try again.

Why didn't you stop playing.

>>4194886
>Why didn't you stop playing.
I enjoyed the first 1/3 of the game, I wasn't going to drop it the minute I found a single thing I disliked. However, over the whole course of the game, it got progressively worse and worse, and by that point I figured I might as well just finish it and see it through. If I had stopped playing the game, then you'd be saying "you didn't even finish it, your opinion is invalid". I played it, I beat it, it sucked. Provide a reason for why my criticisms are wrong.

>>4194895
>If I had stopped playing the game, then you'd be saying "you didn't even finish it, your opinion is invalid".
Not really, I just don't get how can someone go through such a painful ride voluntarily. Should have dropped it once you realized shit wasn't working for you and maybe you'd be slighly less mad now.

>>4194919
>Not really
Yes, really. If I had only played 1/3 of the game and then made a post talking about why I disliked it, you'd be saying "kek bro u dun even finish it". It's the same shit every time: if you provide an argument for why something sucks, nobody actually counters the argument, they just tell you that you're either A) retarded for not giving it enough of a chance, or B) retarded for giving it too much of a chance.

>I just don't get how can someone go through such a painful ride voluntarily
Why are you even on this board?

> Should have dropped it once you realized shit wasn't working for you and maybe you'd be slighly less mad now.
You're right, I should have just stopped playing the moment I found something to dislike and not finished a game I paid money for. Except then, you'd be criticizing that, instead of criticizing my informed opinion.

You like the game? Good for you. But this is /vr/, this is a board for talking about video games. If all you want is sterile, positive opinions, go the fuck back to redd1t. If you want to actually discuss games both good and bad, then provide a fucking argument instead of being a little faggot and saying "aww bro it just isn't for you".

I guess this thread is better than all the WD hate threads, but it's still a pretty shitty thread.

>>4194942
>I guess this thread is better than all the WD hate threads, but it's still a pretty shitty thread.
And what makes it a shit thread? Because I actually provided legitimate reasons for disliking a game in hopes of spurring actual debate, instead of making some DOOM wad thread, CRT thread or Sonic dicksuck thread?

>>4193640
i like how not a single person has actually replied to this thread with any counter-argument and instead has said you are wrong because you actually played the game lol... sonyfriends run rampant on this board and you will find that they get extremely butthurt when you mention this game in a negative light because it is the closest thing they ever had to zelda. i agree though, the game is shit for the reasons you mentioned and mnay more

>>4193640

that's a very good assessment. I'll add that I bought and played all the way through Alundra back when it was released., and while I did enjoy it it's a game I have no desire to ever go back and play it again even 20 years later.

>>4194947
because you bring nothing new to the board. nobody gives a shit about your opinion. bring something new to the table or be lumped with the rest.

>>4194956
nobody has even defended the game yet, OP is just acting like a vile retard. also
>thinking people have brand loyalty on /vr/
ishiggy diggy

>>4195001
>because you bring nothing new to the board. nobody gives a shit about your opinion. bring something new to the table or be lumped with the rest.
Lmao what a condescending faggot you are. "you bring nothing new to the table", "nobody gives a shit about your opinion", you literally just described yourself. If all you want is more bullshit threads with boring redd1t discussions, there are literally dozens on here you can post in. Yet, ironically, you continue to post in this thread, because you DO give a shit about my opinion. You are upset because you like the game and I don't, and that is the only reason you continue to whine and brush off my criticisms. Like I said, if you care so little, get the fuck out of the thread. You've yet to provide a single reason for why my initial criticisms are incorrect because they aren't and it upsets you. Tell me more about how you "don't care" and "don't even like the game" but continue to respond because you are the arbiter of /vr/ threads. Keep trying homosex.

>>4195001
>nobody has even defended the game yet
haha look at this retard and laugh. he actually thinks people getting mad about a contrarian opinion isn't the same thing as defending the game. dude if most people in this thread agreed with OP, they wouldn't be using insults like "vile retard", they would just say they agreed. nohing he said is objectively wrong, you're calling him out for hating a game on a fucking japanese imageboard for discussing games, do you have any idea how autistic this makes you? persoanlly im glad to see a critical analysis of a game instead of generic /vr/ bullshit. why dont you just say why you disagree instead of sounding like such a pussy and pretending the board isn't for discussing games? also, how new are you? no brand loyalty on /vr/ lmao... dont forget to breath retard.

>>4194979
That's honestly how I feel about it too. It was enjoyable for awhile, but it felt so... exhausting. Everything about it just tired me out. Dungeon after dungeon, hours and hours long, it's fucking agonizing.

oh no some retard on the internet doesn't like or enjoy a game I liked, what should I do? DOUSHIO?!?

>>4195061
>oh no some retard on the internet doesn't like or enjoy a game I liked, what should I do?

>Option A:
>reply to the post with an actual argument, stating why you disgaree without sounding like a faggot.

>Option B:
>get upset and take the time out of your day to call the OP a "retard" whilst simultaneously failing to both provide an argument and realize you are also on the same autistic japanese imageboard.

>Option C:
>if you don't actually care, don't reply

Look at that... all of those options, and you still managed to choose B, the autistic route.

>>4195094

>>4194895
>he only got 1/3 of the way through the game before he got stuck on a puzzle and started using a guide and then hated the game
>1/3 of the way through the game
>It was the Klein's dream ice pillar puzzle

Holy shit 20 years later and it keeps happening

I love this game, and nothing is better than reading the rageposts of people who got stumped and trying to justify their dislike as anything other than the game being too hard for them

every single time it's the same puzzle

>>4194721
What more do you want? Zelda is boring as fuck, that's it. It's SO boring that you literally can't point out anything specific. Blah blah save X maidens from Y dungeons, get the powerups and win the game! Meanwhile you have amazing characters in Alundra whose dreams you get to explore and that alone is better than all Zelda temples combined.

I've played alundra again, not so long time ago and I remember that wasn't as hard as when I've played it as a kid.

Puzzles wasn't as hard as I remembered, only thing I've always hated are the secret quest for the golden statues you have to collect from the final weapon, if you forget some of them m, you may not be able to get them back after, ruining your 100% run.
Some other are where you could be blocked because you don't understand what to do (ex: the church, or one room in the final palace)

>>4195251
You understand that's not the game's fault, right?

Do you know what you get for 50 falcons? You get a bracelet that gives you infinite MP, and that's it. You don't even need to use magic ever in this game.

The fact that it pisses you off is because it tells you the one thing you hate to hear the most.

>You're not perfect.

But other people can replay the game in less than half the time of their first playthrough and collect every single falcon. They just write it all down on a single page of paper and own that shit.

They don't get upset about it, they don't get cucked by the game. They just go and they eat that shit up and have fun doing it.

Alundra is alpha af, and the people that hate it just aren't

It's a game that's willing to tell you "hey guess what? you're not smart enough. your fingers are too slow. go read a guide. use your savestates. you've already lost."

and it's not even that hard

it's just not designed for an average 100 IQ like a zelda game

>>4195265
>Do you know what you get for 50 falcons? You get a bracelet that gives you infinite MP, and that's it. You don't even need to use magic ever in this game.
Wrong. It's not a bracelet, it's a weapon. Also, there are multiple other items in the game that you cannot obtain unless you have enough falcons, which is easy to do unless you are asperger's about exploring every dungeon thoroughly.

>But other people can replay the game in less than half the time of their first playthrough and collect every single falcon. They just write it all down on a single page of paper and own that shit.
What kind of autistic rambling is this? What the fuck are you even trying to say? Preventing you from entering dungeons you already cleared and being unable to go back and get the falcons is shit game design.

>Alundra is alpha af, and the people that hate it just aren't
Holy shit you are gay.

>It's a game that's willing to tell you "hey guess what? you're not smart enough. your fingers are too slow. go read a guide. use your savestates. you've already lost."
That literally has nothing to do with why the game is shit. The game isn't hard, it's just poorly designed. It isn't hard to figure out the answer to the puzzles, it's just tedious. Constantly exiting and re-entering rooms to reload puzzles, missing jumps and having to spend 30 seconds walking back up to try again, etc.

>it's just not designed for an average 100 IQ like a zelda game
You're right, Zelda is easy as fuck. Zelda is also enjoyable, whereas Alundra is dogshit, not because of difficulty, but because it is broken from the ground up.

>>4195015
>>4195026
How sad and pathethic.

>>4195210
>Holy shit 20 years later and it keeps happening
Klein's ice block puzzle? LOL so you actually got stuck on that shit then? Dude I didn't use a guide to beat this game one single time. Not one single, fucking, time. Klein's dream is easy as shit, the only puzzle that ever gave me even the slightest trouble was the bow puzzle at the very end, in Lake Shrine Interior, where you have to turn every balloon green or red. The game is not hard at all, that isn't why I hate it. I hate it because it's a poorly-designed mess. It's tedious and requires you to do autistic shit over and over. Only after about 20 hours into the game does it begin to become extremely apparent how badly designed it is. At first, I noticed a few flaws and thought "Well, that's okay, nothing is perfect", and then guess what -- the flaws became the entire game. Dungeons that all look the same, recycled bosses, items and weapons that are under-utilized and worthless, useless gilder, awful jumping hit detection, you fucking name it. Difficulty has literally nothing to do with it.

>>4195314
>sad and pathethic.
>doesn't provide an an argument

>>4195232
>What more do you want?
What more do I want? I want a good game, one that is well-designed and doesn't force you to play like a fucking retard to complete.
> Zelda is boring as fuck, that's it. It's SO boring that you literally can't point out anything specific. Blah blah save X maidens from Y dungeons, get the powerups and win the game!
Lol what the fuck does this even mean? Have you ever even played a Zelda game?
>Meanwhile you have amazing characters in Alundra whose dreams you get to explore and that alone is better than all Zelda temples combined.
LMAO! AMAZING CHARACTERS! Holy fucking shit, just drink bleach you worthless nigger.

>>4195321
>I-I didn't spoil it
>muh zeldas
sure thing bud

>>4195354
>he got stuck on one of the easiest puzzles in the game
>projects his 97 point IQ and pretends everyone has to use a guide to beat this piece of shit
>ignores objective criticisms because of "muh zeldas"
How does it feel to wake up every day knowing that you're a fucking retard?

>>4195364
idk anon I'm laughing my ass off here and you're salty as fuck, I'm pretty sure you're the one that got cucked by the puzzles

tho maybe you're just angry cause you wake up every day to the realization that you're morbidly obese or something, I don't actually know why you're so upset and unhappy and angry at a videogame, but I can only assume if you're this angry at it that the game hurt you in some way, and I can only imagine that it's because you got cucked by the puzzles

there's no other reason to ever be this angry at it

>>4195371
Fucking lmao, I love how you admit to getting stuck on one of the easiest puzzles in the game and then you pretend I'm mad because I was uh, "cucked by the puzzles" when I actually managed to beat the entire thing without ever using a guide. You then proceed to say I dislike the game because I'm apparently "obese"... it seems that there is a lot of projection going on here, anon. What I can gleam from this is that you are both A) too stupid to beat the game without a guide and B) actually obese yourself.

>there's no other reason to ever be this angry at it
Do you understand where you are right now? You're on a semi-obscure japanese imageboard for discussing video games. Like I said earlier, if all you want to hear is positive, sterile opinions, go to redd1t, that is the place for you. Aside from that, I have plenty of reasons to be "angry" with the game, the vast majority of which have literally nothing to with the difficulty, but rather the fact that it is poorly designed and has very little unique content compared to similar games.

At this point, it's pretty clear to me that you're just going to keep raving like an insane autistic and pretending that I'm obese to justify the fact you like a shitty game. Frankly, it doesn't surprise me, because it's easier to use ad hominem attacks in a sad attempt to discredit the opposing argument than to actually provide one of your own. Keep trying faggot child.

>>4195371
>idk anon I'm laughing my ass off here and you're salty as fuck, I'm pretty sure you're the one that got cucked by the puzzles
not that anon but i dont find this game particularly difficult and i agree with op in saying that it is pretty shit. the actual puzzles themselves arent hard but constantly exiting rooms to reload them and missing jumps because of bad hit detection is not a skill or intelligence issue, rather a design issue. maybe your salty because somebody else managed to beat the game by themselves and you were so stupid you needed a guide?

>>4193640
>>Alundra's sprite doesn't change when you get new weapons or armor
Why would it? That is a very uncommon feature. I suppose somebody is now going to reply by listing the 3 PS1 games that ever actually did this, as if that means anything. It's a stupid thing to expect and that is that.

>>4195390
>Fucking lmao, I love how you admit to getting stuck on one of the easiest puzzles
What I said was that I was reading butthurt comments like this 20 years ago, and they all got stuck on the same puzzle, exactly 1/3 through the game, then decided they hated it.

Your inability to comprehend English and schizophrenic narrative of the conversation leads me to believe that you're failing to construct a coherent cover story.

>You then proceed to say I dislike the game because I'm apparently "obese"...
I'm suggesting that you may dislike life and be inherently angry because of some sort of body dysphoria or mental illness. That is also not the way you use an ellipsis.

>Do you understand where you are right now?
4chan is not a place for you to be edgy and act out in a way that people don't tolerate in real life. It's not a place for you to lose your shit and vent your emotions in an exaggerated way. It's a place where people can exercise free speech and talk without using the filters that we all adapt for polite human interaction irl.

Your justification for the game being poorly designed is that you apparently had to walk all over the dungeons not knowing what to do, and had to re-attempt many of the puzzles several times because you couldn't solve them, leading me to believe that you were struggling with the game without a guide, and then deprived yourself of the sense of satisfaction from actually solving the puzzles leaving you with a bitter taste that caused you to rant disjointedly about it on an image board for discussing mongolian cartoons.

>>4195395
the game honestly has perfect hit detection on the jumps and I have no idea how that is the part that anyone struggles with

>>4195412
>What I said was that I was reading butthurt comments like this 20 years ago, and they all got stuck on the same puzzle, exactly 1/3 through the game, then decided they hated it.
No, you're speaking from experience. (((((You))))) got stuck on the autistically-easy iceblock puzzle, so you're projecting your own inability to beat the game without a guide onto anyone who thinks the game is shit. I didn't use a guide. I didn't need to. The game seriously isn't fucking hard, you are literally the only one pretending that it is, probably because you found it difficult, because you're stupid.

If you had the slightest modicum of intelligence, you'd read through my original post and understand that difficulty is not the reason for my criticism. Do you think useless gilder has anything to do with difficulty? What about poor pacing? What about repetitive puzzle designs? What about useless items? What about inconsistent dungeon rewards? What about reused assets, recycled bosses, samey environments and bad jumping mechanics? None of that has anything to do with difficulty. All of it has to do with bad design. Now, you can sit here and pretend that I'm mad because I was "cucked by the puzzles", but in reality, I'm not. I'm on 4chan discussing a game I dislike, and your retarded ass is the one ignoring objective criticisms and pretending I'm upset because I'm "obese", which is an insight into how truly upset you are about me insulting your precious knockoff Zelda.

Moreover, you speak of "mental ilness", but you're the one sitting here arguing with someone you perceive to be "mentally ill". What exactly does that make you? I don't think you're mentally ill, but I do think you're fucking retarded and you would rather insult me and attack my use of an ellipsis than to provide a coherent argument for why my outlined points are wrong.

I'm not going to reply to you again unless you address the points outlined in the OP and stop being a sperg.

>>4195448
anon just because you type lies on the internet doesn't mean I'm going to respond to the fake shit you typed and not the actual reasons for you being the way that you are

>>4195337
>all this chimping out

Clearly you are beyond any reason. Go play your Zelda Tumblr games and leave the good adventure games to those who have the intelligence to enjoy it.

I played this when I was about 14 and English wasn't my first language. Still managed to beat it without guides and I enjoyed it a lot. End game bosses had way too much hit points for the battles to be intense. They weren't too hard, just too dull.

Music and atmosphere was spot on and the story was darker than I expected. I loved the characters.

I don't agree with OP but he is entitled to his opinion. I just wonder why he needs to try make everyone else agree with his subjective opinion. Sounds like problems in self-esteem department.

>>4193640
The puzzles are great brainlet filters that don't patronize me, unlike in most Zelda games.

>>4196025
Idk that one battle against the demon general guy is basically the only serious boss fight in the game where you don't just stomp shit or contend against some instant death bottomless pit/blackhole stuff, and the actual final boss is a fucking tree that you just burn to death with the fire rod unless you're retarded and can't into the puzzle

>>4197793
I mean

maybe if you tried to use the holy sword instead of the thing you're supposed to actually do

>>4193640
You've been bitching about this game for over a month now, Anon. Give it a rest.

>>4193640
>It has absolutely nothing on the best 2D Zeldas
Not even the best 3D ones either iah. Alundra is a game chock full of good ideas, but the actual execution left much to be desired. Not a big fan of the animu style it used either, which is the same reason I'm not into most PS1 games.

I would however, kill for a Alunda-like action-adventure title directed by Fujibyashi (who directed the aforementioned OoS you brought up earlier). Think he would be able to execute Alundra's ideas in a more streamlined and less convoluted way while bringing out some neat new ideas at the same time.

>>4199947
>which is the same reason I'm not into most console games.
ftfy

>>4199975
>most console games.
lolwut?

>>4193746
>There is nothing decent about it, other than art style and music
Nah, those are garbage too. Game literally put me to sleep twice.

I think Brave Fencer Musashi was the better PS1 Zeldo clone.