/vr/ - Retro Games

Pretty much, yeah. I think MM might be as good or better, but only because it's so similar to OoT.

>>4259035
MM is a great game too, but OoT edges it out for me for a lot of reasons. It definitely improved upon OoT in terms of things to do, as the entire game is basically a collection of side quests, and actually have monsters in the main field to fight was a huge plus. However the repetitive nature of the time mechanic, the fewer/inferior dungeons, inferior tool items, etc. really brought the experience down for me. MM is better in specific ways, but OoT feels like a smart combination of everything.

Better than anything that came after. Especially SS and BotW.

>>4259050
I can't wait for like 5 years from now when BotW becomes the next SS and people realize how shit that game is. Nintendo doesn't even realize it, but they've fucked their own brand by abandoning the core style of the series. Link use to be an iconic character, now he's a tranny in a fashion simulator and kids growing up today won't even recognize him. You can bet Nintendo will stick with this style from now on too. No more green tunic, no more real dungeons, just more sandbox RPG bullshit.

>>4259053
>I can't wait for like 5 years from now when BotW becomes the next SS and people realize how shit that game is.
Hmm, I dunno. I mean, I think BotW is shit, so I want everyone to agree with me and think it's shit too. But SS has probably the most mixed reviews of any major Zelda upon release, a lot of people realized it was shit from the very beginning. With BotW, the reveiws are almost all glowing, so maybe this is just what people are happy with now.

>>4259024
You know what? I'm OK with your opinion op. Most oot fanboys will try and tell me how literally every popular videogame feature was done first in oot, how its the absolute best game ever made and all that delusional,revisionist bullshit.

You just said its the best Zelda and gave reasonable reasons, followed by admitting its not perfect. So I respect you and your opinion for that.

Thank you for making this board less shitty.

Also, links awakening is the best :p

>>4259053
Have you been on /v/ lately? Those kids actually think waggle shit is not only good but amazing. BotW is a trash game. Had potential but between fucking Wii U owners over and the durability gimmick, no. I'm not being dramatic either. Those games are trash.

>>4259065
Actually, his opinion is assbackwards because he said it was the best adventure game of all time. That's probably more bullshit than saying it is best Zelda game

>>4259067
You shouldn't go to /v/, place is filled with idiots that prefer to post consolewar wojaks, pepes and porn over video games, even then, if it isn't 6th gen related, it aged like milk or it was never good.

>>4259062
I'll give you that, you might be right. I guess I should rephrase by saying: after the initial high has worn off, older fans of the series who managed to actually like this turd will see it for the shallow shit it is. You're right though, this is exactly the kind of thing the minecraft generation loves, so in truth the modern gamer's opinion on it may not waver. However, the choice to get rid of the classic Zelda style will result in the doom of the series, you heard it here first. Now that the series has no recognizable character or features, it will slowly but surely fade into obscurity along with the rest of the shitty sandbox RPGs it emulates.

>>4259086
Well the same can be said about reddit. I just go sometimes to see what's happening with modern games.

>>4259065
I don't think it's the best video game, definitely not. That would be a blatantly retarded statement because games vary in genre and gameplay so wildly that they aren't all comparable. In my personal opinion, I do think Zelda is the best adventure game though, because it does just about everything right. Link's Awakening is a solid choice too, I just prefer OoT on a personal basis.
>>4259078
OoT is the most highly rated game of all time, and served to influence just about every adventure game that came after it. I don't think there's anything assbackwards about calling it the best in its genre. If you have one prefer more, lay it on me, but OoT is a worthy contender no doubt.

>>4259067
I, sadly, started out browsing /v/ but it quickly became too sickening for me and I migrated to /vr/. I occasionally pop on but like you said, the place is ridden with full-blown retards and I just can't handle it.

I have no problem with an expansion of the Zelda formula, and admittedly some things in BotW are interesting, especially the added touches of realism and interactivity, but destroying the core character design and progression system of older games was a mistake and I fully believe it will come back to bite Nintendo once they no longer have a recognizable icon to put on t-shirts and figurines.

>>4259097
I think Link will be around for long time. I think a bigger example of Nintendo fucking up is Splatoon 2. Either way the Switch is flopping and I think BotW has a lot to do with it.

>>4259087

Just support Zelda clones like Darksiders instead.

>>4259105
I just worry about how iconic Link will be now that they've ditched his classic styling. Obviously he will remain around for as long as older fans are interested in the series, but now that there isn't an "image" to associate with the series I just feel like kids today aren't going to give a fuck and they'll just lump the series in with the rest of the sandbox cancer.

In terms of Switch, yeah, from what I've heard splatoon 2 is pretty much glorified DLC and people are getting smart to the whole "let's just re-release failed WiiU games" schtick. I don't know why they made a game like BotW, it would have been so easy to just create a game in the style of OoT and hype the fuck out of it. Instead they decided to just start emulating western RPG devs. Disgusting.

>>4259119
The first Darksiders was an awesome game but I just don't feel like they'll ever replicate it again. D2 was okay but nothing special, D3 looks like more of the same and the female protagonist isn't especially appealing. But again, the original was a fucking badass game, I just wish they had included more side content.

>>4259121
Modern gamers generally only care about Minecraft and CoD.

I'm convinced that the decision makers at Nintendo are just inept. The devs still have talent. Splatoon and MK8 were great.

>>4259024
do I need to be over 25 years old and own a computer?

>>4259050
BotW does a ton of things better than OoT. Even SS does a couple things better.

Either way, not retro.

>>4259178
>BotW does a ton of things better than OoT. Even SS does a couple things better.
Like?

>>4259182
BotW:
Physics
Combat
Customization
Overworld design
Sidequests
Freedom / Non-linearity
Fast Travel and Horses
Exploration
Visuals
Character Development

SS:
Combat
Items

>>4259201
>SS:
>Combat

Ya waggle shit. Your opinion has been invalidated. The rest isn't worth going over.

>>4259209
Controls != combat

Also fuck off with the waggle meme, fatass.

>>4259227
No kid. Waggle shit in fundamentally shit and effects all aspects of the game. From graphics to gameplay. I can not nor should anyone take anything a waggleshit supporter has to say seriously.

>>4259093
People on this board can't even agree it's the best Zelda game, let alone the best of a genre that it isn't even part of.

>>4259160
yes that is a prerequisite

>>4259053
>Nintendo doesn't even realize it, but they've fucked their own brand by abandoning the core style of the series.


WTF are you even on about? BotW is the first game in over a decade to return to the core of the series. As long as future games are willing to provide more focus and structure on top of it, I see no problem.

>>4259024
It isn't even the best Zelda on the N64

>>4259209

So the best you can do is scream a 2006 /v/ meme and hope we ignore the fact that you can't respond to his post?

>>4259372
>first game in over a decade to return to the core of the series.
Name one song from BotW worth a shit.
Name one unique terrain feature or terrain feature done better than OoT from BotW.
Name one unique weapon from BotW that's better than OoT.

Hey at least you got an androgynous cross dressing link.

>>4259394
>Compared to OoT

Wut? I only compared BotW to the games in the decade prior to it. OoT is my favorite game of all time and outright shits on everything else. Why would you think I'd disagree?

>>4259401
BotW in no way returned to the core of the series. WW is a better example. I assumed you were including OoT in your over decade part.

>>4259404
>I assumed you were including OoT in your over decade part.

No, I specifically worded it like that to include TP and, to a lesser extent, WW.

>WW is a better example.
WW divided up its overworld into a mess of tedium.

>>4259431
>WW divided up its overworld into a mess of tedium.
I'd agree for the original game when you get to the rupee farm. WWHD made that bit much more streamlined. I enjoyed searching the water for islands and getting the whole map traced out. Reminded me a lot of what I did in LttP. I ran around a lot just looking at stuff. And the soundtrack is among the best so. WWHD is what justified a WiiU purchase for me.

BotW I wont try. It's a trash game to me. Actually made me sell my WiiU and games off and I wont be buying from Nintendo again. I went from the NES to GC and then a Wii U.

>>4259236
Your retardation is limitless. Stay ignorant then.

>>4259464
Hey kid. I'm glad that no one took up waggle shit as a main control scheme after the success of the wii. Thank god that thing died with it.

Link's Awakening had better music, a way better story, better atmosphere, and the second best dungeons in the game.

>>4259475
>kid
>kid
t. 14-year old

>>4259534
>t.
K, gen z.

>>4259515

Link's Awakening had the second best dungeons in Link's Awakening?

>>4259332
>People on this board can't even agree it's the best Zelda game, let alone the best of a genre that it isn't even part of.
>Zelda isn't an adventure game
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

>>4259534
>t. 14-year old
>likes waggle
So are essentially admitting to being an autistic adult or what?

>>4259024
ay yo son, time out.

LttP was number one, Zelda 2 was number 2. Don't give me that "it was a side scroller" shit, it was hard and was a pretty long game.

Link's awakening was pretty cool too.

>>4259921
>Zelda 2
>better than OoT
I feel bad for your parents. You know, the struggle of raising a retarded child and all. Many blessings.

>>4259119
Darksiders was pure shit

>>4259024
OoT does everything that ALttP already did in better way. Except for music

>>4259985
If something is retarded here it must be your eyes for liking such ugly polygons

>>4259394
>Name one song from BotW worth a shit.
The one played at stables is super comfy.
>Name one unique terrain feature or terrain feature done better than OoT from BotW.
Death mountain in BotW actually looks like a volcano, with realistic lava flows both aged and recent.
>Name one unique weapon from BotW that's better than OoT.
Better how? OoT only has three blades, one of which is the Master Sword which is in half the Zelda games anyway. Better with looks? Better with attack strength? What?

>>4260581
>super comfy
K

>>4259201

>Combat
Combat in both games is very simplistic and barely a selling point. BotW has different weapon classes, but in the end it still boils down to mashing Y and moving out of the way when you see your enemy wants to attack. What I don't like about BotW is that its idea of difficulty is just giving the same exact enemies more health. There's only a handful of actual different enemies in BotW, and after 2 divine beasts you've probably learned the patterns for all of them, after which combat becomes monotonous as fuck. Also, the boss battles all feel the same (since they're all literally different incarnations of Ganondorf) and they're barely thematically bound to the dungeon.

Meanwhile, OoT doesn't waste your time mashing your way through some sponge that you've fought hundreds of times before. It doesn't focus on combat much until the boss battles, which are all different and connected to the story and dungeon theme. As a result, every boss battle in OoT feels unique and memorable.

>Customization
Why do people care about this shit. I never understood how wearing a different hat or different clothes makes a game any better.

>Overworld design
This is where you're dead wrong. BotW could've had all the same content in 20% of the world's size and it would've been much nicer. Huge worlds sound nice on paper, but the world ends up being super empty in comparison to smaller overworlds (like OoT's) and also much less polished and detailed. My man dunkey explains it best: https://youtu.be/-_ZZAX_zt7Y?t=1m30s

Also, because of BotW's overworld design, its music fucking sucks. There is no music most of the time, and if there is, it's atmospheric at best. No, the stable music doesn't come close to half of the songs on OoT's soundtrack.

>Sidequests
The vast majority of them are just disguised fetch quests. Prove me wrong.

>>4259201
>>4261074

>Freedom / Non-linearity
The fact that this is a selling point for games now pisses me the fuck off. Contrary to popular belief, non-linearity's negatives heavily outweigh the positives. If you choose to make a non-linear game, you're giving up any progression in difficulty your game could've had (which is why BotW feels hard at the beginning but easy as fuck after a while), you can't incorporate any truly new items to play with throughout the game (to keep it fresh), you're sacrificing most of your options for a cohesive story, and what's the benefit? You "get to go wherever you want"? At the end of the game, you've done everything from the main storyline anyway, so does it really matter which order you picked? Besides, how can a casual player know which areas are more fun to explore? It's a superficial guess. Is that really worth sacrificing all the benefits of linearity for?

>Fast Travel
Warp songs are a thing in OoT, you fucking retard. Fast travel is yet another staple feature of games with a huge overworld, since it's otherwise impossible to play through. In OoT, it only takes 10 minutes tops to go from the Temple of Time to any given area in the game, so fast travel isn't even that necessary. Besides, if you're walking through a world yourself, it feels a lot more immersive and epic than when you click an area on your map and instantly go there. Yet another reason why OoT's Hyrule is so much more memorable and familiar to the player.

>Exploration
Purely subjective. Would you rather explore a detailed, polished and relatively concise world (where players often find themselves wanting to explore every nook and cranny) or a huge world where you visit most areas only once?

>>4259201
>>4261074
>>4261078

>Character development
Fucking bullshit. Darunia goes from not trusting you at all to becoming your sworn brother. He grows to like you. BotW has nothing like that. Another example: Mipha and Ruto are both in love with you. The difference? Ruto goes from hating your guts to being in love with you. She GROWS to like you. In contrast, Link and Mipha are just suddenly talking like lovers in a random cutscene.

BotW's story runs through memories, which you can pick up in any order. Thus, none of them provide any pertinent plot nor character development. You know what the end result is already, and even in those memories Link and Zelda are already on familiar terms with Daruk, Urbossa, Revali, and Mipha. They chat, but nothing develops between any of them. All BotW's villages are streamlined with no sense of adventure or story. You walk up to the elder, who tells you to go find some dude and then you make a beeline towards some on-rails event to get into the Divine Beast. As far as the descendants of the champions go, I can't even remember their names (aside from Sidon, who became a fan favorite merely because he does a thumbs-up and a wink. That's the closest this game comes to having any personality).

I know it sounds like I fucking hate this game, but that's really not the case. I loved my playthrough. When it came out, I played it every day for 2 weeks straight. I could easily spend 6 hours playing it without feeling worn out. However, it's definitely flawed, it's definitely not as innovative or different as many people say and I think it's not nearly as good as OoT. It's also heavily overrated, but Nintendo kinda needs that right now so I'm not complaining.

>>4259035
OOT reminds me of the light world from LTTP while MM reminds me of the dark world.

That being said I do like MM better

>>4259024
tl;dr
>this is the first one i played as a kid, so my nostalgia says its the best

>>4261113
I too am incapable of thinking critically and are a slave to consumerism. I must only like what is new and not out yet.

>>4261078
>If you choose to make a non-linear game, you're giving up any progression in difficulty your game could've had, you can't incorporate any truly new items to play with throughout the game
Fucking finally someone else defending linearity.
Completely linear games suck. Completely non-linear games have too many problems.

OOT was so close to doing semi-linearity right.
>First, give you a choice between Dodongo's Cavern and Jabu Jabu.
>Second, make it obvious that you can do the adult dungeons in whatever order you want, instead of Navi leading you down one route.

I think ALTTP was better in this regard, but iirc a bunch of dungeons still required another dungeon's weapon to enter.

>>4261135
>>4261082
OoT is pretty much perfect in terms of open world when you take into consideration the context of the time the game came out. Nothing else was really as big unless you had a very expensive PC.
And you're basically free to go where you want at the start of OoT. Wasted a lot of time going into the lost woods.

>>4261082
Ehh. More like you finish a dungeon and Darunia and Ruto are both head over heels for you. I wouldn't call that character development in the least. MM had good character development though.

I haven't played BotW so I can't compare, I just disagree with your point.

>>4261156
>And you're basically free to go where you want at the start of OoT.
That's a fucking lie and you know it.

>>4261368
No it's not.

>>4261371
Solid argument you have there faggot. And no you are not free to go anywhere from the start. You would know this if you actually played the fucking game instead of watching some autist e-celeb talk about how great it is.

>Start in the forest where you have to go to the deku tree before anything else
>Half the fucking map changes half way through the game
>Can't go to the desert as a kid
>Hookshot required for numerous places which you don't get as a child.

So how is it not a lie?

>>4261584
You can go into the lost woods. Like I said already. Maybe you should play it?

So, uh, isn't this game ALSO on gamecube AND 3ds? How is this retro again?

>>4261591
And Super Mario Bros is on the wii. 0/10 Fuck off.

>>4261587
What are you even trying to say? The lost woods =/= free to go anywhere in the game

>>4261610
You have the option to explore it.

>>4261591
What the fuck is going on in this thread? This shit has got to be bait.

>>4261634
It's one tryhard. Check the Half-life and CRT threads right now.

>>4261591
I wrote a PONG clone a couple days ago. No more PONG talk. :^)

>>4261123
>OoT
>new and not out yet

>>4261639
Pretty sure he's spamming retarded shit in all of the threads right now

>>4261702
He was saying that about shit like CoD. Get some reading comprehension, anon-kunt.

>>4259985
You're actual worthless human garbage for disrespecting Zelda 2. Fuck right off with that OoT shit.

>>4261771
This. Zelda 2 is literally the only good one in the series barring maybe BotW which is only because I want to pound the fuck out of Link's boipucci

>>4261771
>>4261778
Lmao what's with this new meme? Zelda 2 is complete fucking dirt and you know it. The gameplay is generic sidescroller dogshit with unnecessary FF-esque world traversal, the graphics are average at best, the music sucks, hell they couldn't even bother to proof read the shit text filled with typos before shipping it. The game is hot trash.
>Zelda 2 is literally the only good one in the series barring maybe BotW which is only because I want to pound the fuck out of Link's boipucci
See this right here? This is what you call a faggot, and this is the kind of person that likes Zelda 2.

>>4261841
Sidescrolling beats rolling around in the dirt while a femboi screams like an autist and moving overhead like a shitty D&D piece. At least Zelda 2 is actually hard and has good music unlike Ocarina of Wait.

>>4261841
>The gameplay is generic sidescroller dogshit

What else even plays like it?

>>4261368
To be fair, you actually can go wherever you want whenever you want using glitches.

>muh developer's intentions!
Sure, but the option is there for people skilled enough. Start a new game, get the Kokiri Sword, go to the Lost Woods, perform Navi Dive to reach the Zora River, get Bomb/Bombchus, megaflip over Gerudo Bridge and suddenly you're in Gerudo Fortress as a child within 30 minutes of the game.

>>4261885
>Sure, but the option is there for people skilled enough
Holy shit you are retarded. By this logic, the game is only 15 minutes long because you can use a glitch to get into Ganon's castle from the beginning. The developers did not intend for you to use glitches to access parts of the game you aren't supposed to, glitches which often took years to find and 99% of players wouldn't even encounter. I honestly can't even wrap my head around how retarded you've have to be to delude yourself to into arguing that the game is open just because you can use glitches to access previously inaccessible areas... I mean, god damn.

I played so much BotW when it came out but actually I wasn't having fun at all. Nintendo tricked me into thinking I was having fun while playing it, but now I realize that the game was very popular so actually I wasn't having fun and the game is now overrated.

>>4261078
>The fact that this is a selling point for games now pisses me the fuck off. Contrary to popular belief, non-linearity's negatives heavily outweigh the positives.

This guy gets it.

>>4259024
Lots of strong points, all ruined by how slow and easy the game is. Zelda 1 and 2 are the best in the series because they're the only ones where the opposition puts u a fight. New items in every other Zelda game are just glorified keys because you'd still have won with 3 hearts and the starting sword.

>>4261916
>challenge meme
Why does a game need to be challenging to be fun? I'm not saying I don't enjoy a good challenge or that I wouldn't have preferred more/or more agressive enemies, but challenge isn't always critical to enjoying a game. Sometimes a relaxing experience where you just get to enjoy yourself is fine too.

>>4261897
You're a fucking retard. These glitches lift any and all linear restrictions the game places on you. I wasn't arguing about the length of the game, but rather the notion that you have to do things in a certain order and have to complete areas before entering new ones.

Consider killing yourself right now.

>>4261920
>You're a fucking retard
Lmao, you really don't get to call anyone retarded when you're arguing from an autistic viewpoint.
>These glitches lift any and all linear restrictions the game places on you.
Uh yeah, because they're glitches. How many paint chips do you eat exactly?
>I wasn't arguing about the length of the game, but rather the notion that you have to do things in a certain order and have to complete areas before entering new ones.
I wasn't talking about the length. I simply used an analogy to help you understand why your argument is stupid as fuck.
>Consider killing yourself right now.
Calm down faggot child.

>>4261931
>Lmao, you really don't get to call anyone retarded when you're arguing from an autistic viewpoint.
You definitely don't when you're arguing from a braindead close-minded perspective that shuns alternative ways of playing within the game's coding.

>Uh yeah, because they're glitches. How many paint chips do you eat exactly?
Doesn't matter, kiddo. You might want to get your pica obsession checked out as well.

>>4261946
>You definitely don't when you're arguing from a braindead close-minded perspective that shuns alternative ways of playing within the game's coding.
What a funny way to say "I'm autistic".
>Doesn't matter, kiddo. You might want to get your pica obsession checked out as well.
Lmao what kind of comeback is this?

>>4261885
>the game isnt linear because because you can do autistic things you arent supposed to

>>4261964
>I'm autistic
Yes. Yes you are.

>Lmao what kind of comeback is this?
Lmao why do you talk like a high school nerd? Lmaoo

>>4261973
>Yes. Yes you are.
I'm not the one spending my time using sequence-breaking glitches to extend the life of a 20 year old N64 game and then claiming that said glitches make the game "non-linear". So no, I'm pretty sure you're the autistic one in this scenario.
>Lmao why do you talk like a high school nerd? Lmaoo
You seem pretty upset right now.

>>4261972
>Glitching is autistic
No, you're just retarded.

The game isn't linear anyway, using advanced gameplay or not. The Spirit Temple and Shadow Temple can be done in either order.

Dodongo's Cavern, Jabu Jabu, Fire and Water Temple can be done in any order as well.

>>4261979
damn this nigger is mad.

>>4261979
>The game isn't linear anyway
>The Spirit Temple and Shadow Temple can be done in either order.
lol.

>>4261983
What an ugly nigger. Though I guess ugly is redundant.

>>4261985
>the vast majority of the game can be done however you want with glitching
>with glitching, it's completely non-linear
>no it's linear
haha oh lordy

>>4261946
>You definitely don't when you're arguing from a braindead close-minded perspective that shuns alternative ways of playing within the game's coding.

>>4261993
Still salty about being exposed as a butthurt retard

Do us a favor and put on a trip so we can filter you.

>>4261992
>the vast majority of the game can be done however you want with glitching
>with glitching, it's completely non-linear
You know, I've seen some people say some really retarded shit on this site, but never once have I encountered anyone who would strongly defend an objectively retarded viewpoint. I mean, it'd be one thing if you said "I enjoy playing the game with glitches", that's fine, but to assert that the game is something which it isn't because you can use unintended glitches to break it is nothing short of actual autism. I'm seriously not even saying that as an insult, I'm literally saying you have a spectrum disorder.

Congrats this has surpassed the now deleted "babbages gramps vs /vr"
For worst current thread on /vr

>>4262000
lol bro im not even the same anon your having a cat fight with, just think its funny how retarded you are

>>4262006
To be fair, as stupid as cabbage boy is, he has never said anything quite as retarded as "a game isn't linear because you can skip between linear sections using glitches".

>>4262000
>put on a trip so we can filter you.
>"we"
>implying anyone agrees with you

>>4262005
Truth hurts, doesn't it? Taking Nintendo's cock up your ass and in your mouth doesn't make your argument any stronger.

It doesn't matter whether it's intentional or not. As long as it's possible within the confines of just the game, it's a legitimate and very real path to choose.

Cry harder

>>4262010
And I think you're retarded too. Come back when you can capitalize and punctuate your sentences.

>>4262021
Put a trip on

>>4262027
>Truth hurts, doesn't it? Taking Nintendo's cock up your ass and in your mouth doesn't make your argument any stronger.
The real irony of this scenario is that I'm not even defending the game and you're sitting here having a full-blown panic attack, lmao.
>It doesn't matter whether it's intentional or not. As long as it's possible within the confines of just the game, it's a legitimate and very real path to choose
It's actually the exact opposite of "legitimate". Literally the exact opposite.
>Cry harder
Cringey.

>>4262027
>>4262032
>>4262034
lol boy are you assblasted or what

>>4262032
>Come back when you can capitalize and punctuate your sentences.
oh damn, thug life

>>4262035
>It's actually the exact opposite of "legitimate". Literally the exact opposite.
Glitches are part of the game. Something anyone could within the game. It's a legitimate option. Get over it.

>I'm not even defending the game
It shows. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>and you're sitting here having a full-blown panic attack, lmao.
Not at all. But if that's what makes you feel better, then go for it.

>this thread

>>4262036
epic dank pic. mind if I save it?

>>4262047
I like how the discussion was totally civil and interesting for the first dozen or so posts and then the monkeys started flinging shit into the fan.

>>4262045
man, i am so intelligent, look at me thug life

>>4262046
>Glitches are part of the game. Something anyone could within the game. It's a legitimate option. Get over it.
The really scary thing is that you are too functionally retarded to understand the difference between an intended feature and an uintended glitch, and more worryingly you have actually managed to delude yourself into believing that literally any game is not linear so long as you can use said unintended glitches to access parts of the game you normally wouldn't be able to. It legitimately scares me that people as retarded as you walk the earth. Damn.
>It shows. You have no idea what you're talking about.
LOL first I'm taking Nintendo's cock up my ass, now I don't know anything about OoT. Holy shit you are absolutely enraged right now.

>>4262049
>epic dank pic. mind if I save it?
gay

>>4262046
>Glitches are part of the game. Something anyone could within the game. It's a legitimate option. Get over it.
>dude chess is actually checkers because you can just use all the pieces to play it
Oh wow.

>>4262065
>The really scary thing is that you are too functionally retarded to understand the difference between an intended feature and an uintended glitch
I know the difference between intentional progression and unintentional progression as much as you do. I'm just saying there are in-game options for a more non-linear path achievable by glitching. It's that simple.

And yes, if you can break down the game to the point where you can play through it in any order using in-game glitches, then it can be played non-linearly.

This just funny. Thanks for the entertainment. Seriously.

>>4262082
>And yes, if you can break down the game to the point where you can play through it in any order using in-game glitches, then it can be played non-linearly.
Lmfao look at this faggot backpedaling now.
>u-uh yeah, it can be played non-linearly
>played
Exactly, it can be "played" in any way you choose because you choose to play the fucking game with glitches, that's a totally different statement from saying the game is inherently non-linear. The game was designed as an advneture game with mostly linear elements, whether or not you choose to do retarded counter-intuitive things to "play" it non-linearly does not make it a "non-linear game". I'm glad you've finally admitted to being a retard. Good day.

>>4259024
>Easily the best music in the series
Is there a rigorous, objective way to back this up?
I see music used as criterion in game critiques all the time and I agree, OP, but it seems so flimsy.
Does mostly everyone agree when music is good, a la "rating women from 1-10" or do we need to expand our musical vocab a bit?

>>4262090
I'm not backpedaling you stupid fucking nigger. I never said the game was inherently non-linear. You seem to have very poor reading comprehension.

Get the fuck off and go act retarded somewhere else.

>>4262090
>this gaylord calling anyone a faggot

>>4262094
>Is there a rigorous, objective way to back this up?
Of course not, it's entirely subjective. The only objective metric we can really apply is to examine the level of quality/craftsmanship used in creating the music. You might say "I prefer Atari 2600 beeps and boops to Beethoven", and there is no way to invalidate that subjective opinion, but objectively Beethoven is far more intricate and masterfully-written. In the case of OoT, I can't argue with someone who says they hate the music, different strokes and all, but what I can say for sure is that it is incredibly well orchestrated from a technical perspective, especially compared to most game music of the era and even today, and I do think that anyone with a sliver of a brainstem would say they enjoy hearing it. But hey, all said and done this is just my opinion.

>this thread

>>4262096
>I'm not backpedaling you stupid fucking nigger. I never said the game was inherently non-linear. You seem to have very poor reading comprehension.
Lmfao oh man...
>The game isn't linear anyway, using advanced gameplay or not.
My fucking sides. I can't even right now, holy shit. How will you ever recover?

>>4262125
Excellent rebuttal. Well played my friend.

upvoted :)

>>4262134
>last line of defense is a literal reddit insult after realizing how badly he just fucked himself
Lmfao, absolutely blown the fuck out. God damn.

>>4262135
>shitposting this hard
You blew yourself out a long time ago. I'm just here for the laugh.

Two hours.

They've been at it for two fucking hours. I was wrong to doubt you mods, you guys really know when to let a good fire burn; this is hilarious.

>>4262136
>You blew yourself out a long time ago. I'm just here for the laugh.
Lmao, jesus christ. This faggot is in full-on damage control mode right now.

>>4262140
Lmao this kid projecting his own situation onto others

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>>4262145
>Lmao this kid projecting his own situation onto others
I like how he keeps trying to save the remnants of his shattered pride with these fedora insults lmao.

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>>4262153
Lmao, not at all. I think it's just hilarious how fucking retarded you are.

>>4262159

Lmao

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>>4262160
>I think it's just hilarious how fucking retarded you are.
I'll have to remember that while I re-read the part where you blew a load in your own ass.

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>>4262153
>fedora insults
Like what you've been slinging for the past half hour?

Really activates the almonds

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>>4262170
>Like what you've been slinging for the past half hour?
No, I mean like the reddit-tier shit you've been saying in a desperate attempt to downplay the fact that you literally called yourself retarded.

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>>4262168
I doubt you can remember anything. Those shitposts also suggest you're a cum guzzling faggot

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>>4262185
>I doubt you can remember anything
Ironically, you couldn't even remember a post you made in this thread, leading to the part where you ejaculated in your own rectum.
>Those shitposts also suggest you're a cum guzzling faggot
Lmao, let the anger flow. Alright, this is getting stale now. Later.

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>>4262174
You really seem to have a strong obsession with that place. Maybe you're better suited for that website rather than here.

No revisionist history will change the fact that you've outed yourself as a retarded faggot.

Keep trying to pick up the pieces of your shattered ego. You got blown the fuck out.

>this thread

>>4262198
>You got blown the fuck out.
not that anon but pretty sure this was you dude. just stop, your making yourself seem too mad and ragey, let it go

>>4262195
You can complete several dungeons, one of the major aspects of Zelda games,out of their their intended order.

So you admit defeat. Alright.

>>4262204
Nah, it was a retard who sperged out when I said glitches allow you to play the game however you want. He outed himself as the retard he was and tried to save face for two and half hours to no avail. No sweat on my back.

>>4262210
>You can complete several dungeons, one of the major aspects of Zelda games,out of their their intended order.
what are you even trying to say here? you claimed that you never said the game was inherently not linear and anon pointed out that you previous said the game was not linear no matter how you played. you screwed yourself.

>>4262214
>He outed himself as the retard he was and tried to save face for two and half hours to no avail.
>Still in the thread after the other guy left, trying to save face

>>4262125
Why is it always the "reading comprehension" fags that have the worst reading comprehension? Just the other day I was in a thread and some fucktard said "work on your reading comprehension". Not 30 seconds later he deleted his post after realizing that he misread what I said lol.

>>4262215
He's saying:
>I'm upset about defeating the purpose of my own argument so I'm going to call him retarded and pretend I won
Personally I have to question the mental health of anyone who spends 2 hours having an internet fight, but at least the other faggot had the good sense to go to bed eventually.

>>4262215
My latter statement was a bit hyperbolic. It's honestly closer to what >>4261135 said

>>4262229
still not seeing it. you said the game wasn't linear, then said that you never said that. you even said it wasnt linear "using advanced gameplay or not". hyperbole doesn't really come into play. i mostly agree with what you've said but frankly i'm not surprised he shit on you for these conflicting statements.

>>4261135
OOT was so close to doing semi-linearity right.
>First, give you a choice between Dodongo's Cavern and Jabu Jabu.
>Second, make it obvious that you can do the adult dungeons in whatever order you want, instead of Navi leading you down one route.

I totally agree with you on this and feel exactly the same way. It's pretty clear that this was what was originally intended, and that these extra aspects were placed down later on to avoid people being confused. The remake totally should have altered that.

>>4262229
You. Shut the hell up and stop embarrassing yourself. OoT is the fourth most non-linear game in the series, you've made your point, drop the whole thing about glitches (which are interesting none the less, but irrelevant to the design).

>>4261135
>I think ALTTP was better in this regard, but iirc a bunch of dungeons still required another dungeon's weapon to enter.
I don't understand how that's a flaw, requiring another dungeon's weapon to enter a dungeon. I don't understand this obsession that so many people have with non-linearity. Non-linearity means that the designer can make fewer assumptions about what a player knows and what they can do, which generally leads to a less complex experience at any given point in the game.

>>4262464
Longshot was the biggest mistake of the game. Exactly the same as an item you already have but with a longer reach? Terrible.

>>4261729
>He

>>4259053
BotW is awesome

>>4263394
Protip, longshot didn't even exist at first.

>>4263850
That feels somewhat tenacious.

I agree. The thing about OoT is that it embodies everything you think of when you think of zelda. It's like the purest Zelda game. Yeah yeah i know that should be the original but OoT has so much more going on without become a diluted mess like MM.

It's like bam game has started go get a sword and see the deku now here are some dungeons you gotta do them all and fight the big monster then at the end you save the princess from the crumbling tower and defeat the big baddy. All killer no filler.

>>4264276
But Link to the Past did this all before Ocarina while still having more going on than the original LoZ

>>4261917
Sometimes it's ok for a game to not be challenging. It's not ok for like a third of a game to be combat if that combat is going to be slow, dull, and devoid of meaningful decisions.

>>4259067
>I'm not being dramatic either
You're definitely being dramatic.

>>4259236
>Waggle shit in fundamentally shit
>never played metroid prime trilogy

>>4259201
>Character Development
I'll give you everything but that. BotW barely had any memorable characters, and the only one with a shred of development was Zelda...which you only saw through flashbacks and diary entries.

Unless you meant Link's development from a gameplay perspective, in which case I agree.

>>4264572
OoT is basically just an improved LttP in my opinion.

>>4264683
I think you mean ruined.

BotW has the worst dungeons of any game so far and they try to make up for it with 50 million shrines of which about 10 are fun.

>Oh look the trick is to stasis something again

>>4264716
It improved it in every single way except one.

>>4259024
Ocarina and Majoras Mask are both awesome. Everything that came out afterwards until botw just seemed like copies of these two games, and whatever innovations they brought to the table were stupid and different just for the sake of being different (the worst offender by far is skyward sword with those fucking retarded waggle controls)

Breath of the Wild is fucking awesome though, and is giving me the same feels I got back when I played Links Awakening and Ocarina for the first time. Huge leap forward and possibly better than Ocarina, and I say that as an oldfag who almost never plays any modern games

>>4259024
>unresponsive
>low framerate
>shit controls
>tedious
>buggy

nah

>>4265109
Agreed but the game is still amazing.

If it had traditional dungeons, then it would be perfect.

>>4259394
Anyone that has actually played botw and doesn't like the soundtrack is a nostalgiafag who wishes it was nothing but oot remixes (so they could complain about how it's another rehash)

Kakariko village theme is awesome despite bearing absolutely no resemblance to the traditional theme. The new Eponas song is almost completely different from the original but is fucking fantastic. The accordion song that the bird guy plays is catchy as fuck too. The forest theme has that 70s sitcom/game show theme song feel that Nintendo uses in some of its other games (like the yoshi galaxy song from Mario galaxy 2) and is great. I like pretty much all the music in the game.

The pre dungeon quest for death mountain is the best death mountain level of any Zelda game.

I went into the game being very skeptical but this is the first worthy 3d zelda game since the 64 era, fuck all these Zelda curse affirming snowflakes itt

>>4266793
>Kakariko village
>The new Eponas song
>forest theme
The only thing that sounds like Zelda is Epona's song and that's because it's a remix. Just generic sounding fantasy music. That forest theme is generic rpg theme music as it gets.

I hope you're joking with this shit.

>>4266804
Oh, so you're one of those "it's doesn't tick every Zelda cliche so it's shit even though I've been tired of the series for a decade because it's always the same shit over and over" retards, eh?

The music is great. Who gives a fuck whether or not it "sounds like" Zelda music? It fits the game and is pleasing to the ears.

Playing 120 mini dungeons doesn't "feel like" Zelda either, but it was still a step in the right direction for the series.

Don't agree? Play any of the other 20 or so Zelda games that came before

>>4266804
Fuck off. Zelda has no established sound except for the classic songs it uses and remixes on occasion.

>>4266815
I love BotW but I thought the music was completely forgettable. Zelda music peaked at OoT, was still pretty good in WW, started to fall off in TP and totally shit the bed in SS and hasn't recovered since.
Actually, I take that back. ST had some good stuff but it's an exception among modern Zelda games.

>>4263838
im playing it on a high end new system, i havnt played zelda since wind waker, i cant stop. i havnt been gripped like this in a long time, im really impressed, 10 out of 10 they knocked it out of the fucking park,

I'm playing this game for the first time right now on the Wii's virtual console. Got to say, I'm impressed so far. Very nice for 1998, evokes keen adventure in me. I like figuring out the clever little gimmicks for each problem, I find it surprising that they were able to get so much so perfect in the first iteration of this style

>>4267654
The 3ds version is better if you have a 3ds. They updated lots of textures faithfully and link has an actual face now.

>>4267663
I like the N64 graphics and shading, I've seen some of the 3ds stuff and it looks like a child coloured it in with crayons

>>4267667
Yeah it is a lot brighter. After you've played it enough on the n64 though im happy to just take the much better textures.

I wish someone modded it to be darker like they used to do with gba games.