/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5077814
>start feeling hopeless I'll never find anything locally and be forced to face the scalpers
>find this 5 minutes away for free and pick it up
Did I do good? To my shock it had component when I thought it only had S-Video.

>>5077836
JVC D-Series sets are good shit.

Is the N64 RGB mod easy to do? The most "modding" I've done is installing a modchip in my saturn, which just required me to solder a line to the PSU for power and that was it. I have an early model with serial number starting with NS1, so apparently I can use the cheaper/easier mod.

Also I assume I could use my super nintendo RGB cable after that with no issue, right?

Do Composite RCA to BNC adaptors exist?

>>5077919
If it is one of the earlier models that just need an amp installed, it just involves running a few wires and either buying a pre-made board with the amp and everything already soldered to it, or putting together a tiny one yourself. Depending on board revision, and whether you want/need CSync or not, it may require an extra wire or two.

Unless you're feeding into a video processor of some sort, you might want to just stick with S-Video. Going to RGB for N64 doesn't do a whole lot; At most, slightly better colors in most cases.
Moving to getting one of the mods meant for the later boards might have a bit more worth, for the deblur option, but that's something I haven't had a chance to compare for myself.


>>5077920
It's just a physical connection. Female RCA to Male BNC adapters are cheap and plentiful online.

>>5077814
It's not the right game, but still, you are now manually hearing a certain acoustic guitar music.

>Assemble Super Socket 7 build list
>Centerpiece is Voodoo 5500
>Build Machine
>GPU BIOS is damaged
>Use backup video card
>K6-3+ not really appropriate for Diablo II

Well, fuck me sideways, I just wanted native Glide support. At least the Daewood monitor off Craigslist is pretty cozy. I should see how some other games look on it. Tons of Dreamcast stuff too.

You guys have any decent finds lately?

>>5077836

JVC shit is really good. It's what I'd go for, besides a Trinitron.

>>5077814
fuck me Diablo 2 on a crt looks good.

>>5078108
JVC made some ridiculously high TVL SD consumer sets. The D-series is really spectacular. Panasonic Tau and Toshiba TheaterviewSD sets are also superb. All worth keeping an eye out for along side Trinitrons, maybe even looking out for over them.

>>5078196
JVC TVL claims on consumer TVs are most probably bullshit.
They are still very high Q sets, but don't take the TVL spec at face value (again, for consumer stuff)

>>5078204
I've heard that before but never seen it substantiated.

>>5078196
What's high for a consumer set? IIRC consumer sets are ~300 whereas PVMs are 600, "HR" PVMs at 800, and then BVMs can range higher than that.

I also heard that TV manufacturers actively preferred to give fewer TV lines on consumer sets because the plebs liked the "softer image"

>>5078214
some 29" are claimed to be what, 800TVL ?
There are TVL patterns to do the measurements.
Or the dot pitch could also give an idea

I'm thinking they went with single lines instead of pairs

>>5078224
I'd like to see someone do a count or at least an estimate.

>>5078219
Consumer sets are usually in the 350-450 range, maybe some as high as 500 or 550. The JVC D-series tubes are supposedly in the 800 TVL area. I've heard conflicting remarks that it's just horizontal lines which doesn't matter, as opposed to vertical lines as it should be. This to me doesn't even make sense but I need to see more proof before deciding.

>>5078214
On consumer sets, claims are in "horizontal lines"
On monitor sets, claims are in "TVL" or "TV Lines"
So who knows what pattern they used for the consumer sets.

>>5078214
On consumer sets, claims are in "lines horizontal resolution"
On monitor sets, claims are in "TVL" or "TV Lines"
So who knows what pattern they used for the consumer sets.

>>5078246
sounds like bullshit to me. That'd put them in line with the higher end HR PVMs

>>5078260
JVC wasn't exactly foreign to producing monitors that competed with or surpassed Sony's pro monitors. It wouldn't surprise me if they produced consumer sets with high end features to compete. Once again, I'd really like to see someone do some tests.

>>5078253
Yeah, I don't even know what lines of horizontal resolution would quantify. To me that just sounds like inflating numbers to make it seem like the set is better than what it really is.

>>5078270
being a competitor in the professional monitor market isn't the same thing as, for some reason, making their consumer TVs with the high-end screens of the professional monitor lines.

>>5078279
I never said they used their pro monitor resources, I'm merely stating JVC had the technology.

>>5078224
They claim 800 horizontal lines = 600TVL/PH

>>5078270
It was worked out that they're giving a measurement for the full width of the screen rather than measuring width height for width. The latter is the proper TVL measurement, so they end up with 800 where it'd actually be 600 as a proper TVL measurement.

Taking their advertised measurement and multiplying it by .75 would give the proper number. Still very nice sets either way.

>>5077814

Can we agree that because you play PC games on a PC monitor rather than console games on a TV set, that PC gaming is therefore inherently better than console gaming?

>>5078431
No, that's so stupid only a mustard can think of it.

I gave myself a month without my GDM Fw900. I moved it upstairs and away from my desk. I have been using this 144hz lcd (Asus 24"). I just commented to the wife that I am going to have to get the beast back out again. I can't stand lcd. This is just terrible. Games look like crap, and the colors are just slightly off. I do calibrate the GDM every few years, but still....I would think that a nearly 2 decade old monitor shouldn't be able to compete with LCDs, but it can, and does...and it blows the doors off.

Why do I listen to dweebs on the internet? The only thing that LCDs are good for is text clarity. I will be reverting to a dual monitor setup like I had previously (pic related). Don't believe the lies anons. LCDs are shit. You either get good colors and motion blur, or shit colors and next to no motion blur. I don't care how much space and electric the GDM takes up. It makes perfect colors and no motion blur at refresh rates that allow for spectacular motion sickness. (1280x800@140hz is AMAZING)

/rant

How'd I do, boys?

>>5079218
depends on price
ok if less than $80

>>5079232
Free, my man. No rgb but 750tvl

>>5079235
cool then, be sure to use s-video

>>5079235

You can get RGB with the slot, build a slot card yourself or buy one.

>>5079240
Yeah I've got both sets hooked up through svideo. I still haven't gotten around to unlocking rgb on the Sony.

>>5079242
Are the expansion cards model specific, or is there a generic jvc expansion card?

>>5079251
JVC, Panasonic, and a few Ikegamis all use the same card.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/JVC-monitor-SCART-RGB-YPbPr-input-board-IF-C01COMG-compatible/173545171089

>>5079252
>>5079251

There's a Panasonic version of the card as well, model number BT-YA702P.

>>5079252
>>5079254
Hell yeah, I just ordered. The seller automatically accepted an offer of $55. I should have tried lower first, but what are you going to do. $65 total for a scart ready monitor feels decent. I'll probably make this a desktop monitor because of the 15" screen.

>>5078019
>>5078023
Nice, 3 is the best Metal Slug.

Should I avoid cheap scart cables or is one as good as any? They're like $7 on Newegg but definitely Chinese.

>>5079446
I'm curious about this as well. I've seen cheap chinkshit SCART cables on amazon for a similar price, which is definitely enticing compared to the cables I got a few years back for some of my consoles from retrogamingcables.co.uk that are like 25 bucks each IIRC.

I've seen some reviews that talk about slight image issues or audio buzzing due to lack of shielding. I'm wondering if these are things that someone could fix themselves by slicing open the outer cable and doing DIY shielding though. At any rate, they're cheap so it could be worth a shot.

>>5079446
>>5079469
I use a cheap unshielded RGB SCART cable with my PS2 and there is a 50/60Hz buzz which gets louder/quieter depending on whats on the screen. The picture quality is great on my consumer CRT though and I don't really notice the buzzing while playing a game.

>>5079446
From what I've heard, you only need to spring for better cables if you happen to be using a switcher.

>>5079491
In general from what I understand problems incurred from poor-quality cables is more apparently if you're using a capture card or upscaler to an HDTV, with CRTs doing a better job of masking any imperfections. I do know that none of my shielded cables have no buzzing noise though.

I don't have a SCART cable for dreamcast. I might get one off amazon for like 7 bucks just to see how it is.

>>5079495
I wish there were more info/options regarding scart switchers. You look online for info and you just get everyone telling you to get these switchers like the hydra that cost like 200 dollars or however much. That price simply isn't worth the convenience of not needing to unplug. Currently I just have a caribiner on the front handle of my PVM with all the consoles' scart connectors held, and I manually plug/unplug when I switch consoles. I wish I didn't need to do that, but none of the options I've seen that people can attest are good are worth the price.

>>5079502
I spent £4 on my PS2 cable and even if its not the absolute best quality its a huge step up from composite.

>>5079446
>>5079469
>>5079495
Avoid them like the plague. Seriously, don't subject yourself to how terrible they are. I bought a cheap $10 one for my Saturn from eBay and it was the worst decision I've made since getting into professional monitors.
What this anon >>5079491 is describing is exactly what will happen.
>>5079495
>>5079502
I don't know where you guys heard that but it's definitely not true, I don't use a switcher or an upscaler or anything, and the buzzing is unbearable on the three rgb-capable monitors I have. I do use the Open Source Sync Stripper(pic related) for two monitors, but not the third. It ruins the experience for atmospheric games, and gives me a headache if I listen to it for too long. I don't know what it is about an RGB signal, but it's way more prone to interfering with and creating noise on the audio channels.
My new multicore coax individually-shielded SCART cable from Retro-Access came in yesterday and it's heavenly. Sweet relief.

>>5079564
>check site
>90% is out of stock
>few cables that are in stock are 55 dollars each

Yeah I'm gonna pass on these guys.

>>5079610
Read the messages they have pasted all over their site about how to order, silly. They build your cable to order once you purchase it and then send it to you, and they only allow a certain number of orders per day so that they don't get swamped with them. If you want to buy something from them, do it in the morning.
My only regret with buying a $35 cable from them is that I should have just done that first instead of spending a third of that on garbage.

The non-persistence of CRTs was very fatiguing, even at 85 hertz. I'm glad to be rid of that :-)

>>5079732
Disgusting faggot.

>>5079732
>non-persistence
What are you even blathering on about?

>>5077814
I have this exact Trinitron in storage somewhere, it's what I used growing up. How does it compared to other CRT monitors?

>>5079754
I mean, it's one of the best, so you were very lucky to have had it when it was retailing for more than $1,000

>>5079771
It was pretty great, but it was also one of the only CRT monitors I've owned. I remember the printer back then was like $400 for an inkjet too, around 2000.

I got its bigger brother I think a few years afterwards since I didn't like early TN panels and thought LCDs were always going to be like that. It was also pretty great too.

How much would you pay for a 19" Ikegami that's composite only

Have some PVMeme.

>>5079810
What kind of tvl count?

>>5079810
$80 max

>>5079821
I really like your vacuum cleaner

>>5079810
not even svideo ? 10 bucks

>>5079821
Bonjour Mr Baguette

>>5079840
T-thanks

>>5079876
S'alright m8.

The projector stand is a novel, if extremely risky, solution too. I see it is already becoming a hot meme around here so kudos for potentially reducing the CRT pool and raising the future resale value of my large collection.

So I'm using one of these component transcoders so I can use my systems on component-enabled TVs. The CSY-2100 knockoff. Requires some adjustment, but things mostly seem fine. The main issue I'm having is that there seems to be a bit of interference going on. I can notice it a little on my trinitron, but it's very apparent when hooking it up to an LCD monitor.

Upon inspection, I'm assuming the interference is coming from the DC input, which is right next to the component outputs. Does anyone have any ideas on a possible DIY fix to shield the signal from the power input? I guess I could dig around and find another AC adapter with the same specs and see if that helps, but I'm guessing it won't.

>>5079890
bigass filter cap on power jack pins

>>5079884
It's a bespoke TV stand, not a projector stand. It supported a TV for a decade before I bought it, and it will again for a couple more.
They were quite popular over here, way more than console TV that I never encountered in the wild.

>>5079895
Anything I could do that wouldn't require soldering?

>>5079905
>DIY
>no soldering
you're in the wrong hobby m8

>>5079906
I'll take that as a no. Also electronic tinkering isn't my hobby, I just want to get the thing to give me a good picture without having to go back to square one.

>>5079903
You can't fool me, Maurice

>>5079810
>pic
What game?

>>5079912
>>5079906
Luckily it does seem to just be a shitty AC adapter. I found another 12V adapter and there's no interference ripples anymore.

>>5077836
>HD CRT
That thing is really only good for 6th gen and some 7th, especially Xbox and GC/Wii. It won't display proper 240p but obviously excels at 480p and 720p.

>>5079934
Front mission but I dunno which one.

>>5079938
HD CRTs aren't necessarily bad. I have a Toshiba HD CRT from the mid 2000s and it handles 240p very well. It doesn't try to run the signal as 480i leading to problems with stripes or flickering, and I ge the same input lag scores as I do on my SD CRTs.

The only downside is that it doesn't have scanlines. So while I prefer using my older consoles on the SD CRT, there's nothing fundamentally wrong with this one. Of course this can absolutely vary by manufacturer and model.

>>5079938
>480p and 720p
1080i is where it excels; 480p is treated rather well though.

>>5079950
Have you actually had a chance to compare it directly against an known lagless source, be that an SD set or PC, depending on source?

>>5079954
Using 240p test suite for the pattern tests, and the manual input lag test. Doing the automatic lag test where you split the signal isn't something I'm willing to do because it would require me to haul a giant CRT into another room either way. But rest assured, I get the same scores on the manual input lag test as I do on my SD PVM.

>s-video

>>5079884
>The projector stand is a novel, if extremely risky
It looks like it would have the same type of support as a tv stand. It should hold a tv no problem. Your brain and mine both see it as a potential hazard, but it is an optical illusion. So long as the legs are solid, and the support doesn't wiggle, it will work just fine. Center of gravity is the key to this, not the shape of the stand. I felt the same way when I first looked at one of these, but realized that its just odd to look at. I too would rather have storage space under it.....But to each their own.

>>5079970
It's ideal for SNES and every 5th gen console with a few exceptions for dither-heavy games like Silent Hill that benefit form composite.

>>5079970
wtf is this supposed to mean

>>5079991

He thinks he's superior because he prefers videogames to look like shit.

>>5079991
>>5079994
Only mutts use S-Video because RGB-capable equipment is far more sparse in North America than it is in Western Europe and Japan.

>>5079970
I fucking hate S-video. The worst fucking cable design known to man. Every time I plug one of these pieces of shit in, I'm praying that I'm not going to fucking break something.

If they were smart they would've designed it to work like component cables or RGBS breakout cables, where every piece of the signal is separate with its own rca jack, so one for chroma and one for luma. And don't even get me started on how like 90% of s-video cables for vidya games are garbage and trying to find one that's decent is like searching for the fountain of youth.

>>5080008
The S-Video connector design looks pretty nice, better than the wonky SCART connector. A pretty pointless standard though since they could have just introduced RGB input instead. All color TVs use RGB internally anyway.

>>5080014
svideo was introduced with Hi8 and SVHS

>>5080016
I know, but it's still a pointless standard since it wouldn't be harder to just add a straight RGB port.

>>5080014
SCART is pretty flimsy, sure, but at least it's shape and size make it impossible to accidentally try to jam it in the wrong way. The issue with s-video is that it's a circle with multiple pins inside so orientation matters, but it's much harder to get the orientation right when it's shaped like a circle.

But SCART is shit too. If I had my way all analogue connectors would be RCA jacks. One jack for composite, two jacks for s-video, 3 jacks for component, 4 jacks for RGB+S. And fuck it, let's have 5 jacks for VGA's RGB + H/V sync

Remind me, csync is the best output for a ntsc scart cable right?

>>5080008
Some Commodore 1084 monitors have S-video over 2 RCA connectors just like you're describing. It's a lot nicer

>>5079967
Issue with that is you end up compensating for the slight delay because you're expecting to press the button at a given time. The split and photograph method gives more concrete proof.

Not to say it has a massive delay or anything, but I could definitely see a frame or two slipping in without being noticed.

I actually like my s-video Sanyo shitbox

Does anyone have any experience with this stripwire.cc company. They're selling snes scart cables made in the US for $20.

>>5080182
I just ordered one, will report back when I receive it.

>>5080182
shame they only bother with super nintendo

getting my desk ready for replacement of the GDM. Photos in a bit. I need to shower and put on sneakers for the 2 story travel from up stairs storage to the ground floor table. Wish me luck anons. That beast is heavy. If I don't end up banned for terrorizing Babbage's gramps in another thread, I will be back. If you don't hear from me again, figure that it happened.

gif unrelated

>>5080337
feelsgoodman.jpg

>now know from experimentation that high resolution CRT monitors combined with shaders will produce an excellent fake 15khz image
>the same experiment was replicated with a high-end CRT projector
>and most recently with a CRT HDTV (findings to be published soon)

and the final step: CRT Rear Projection HDTV. Oh they'll call me every name in the book when I come on here and advocate for them won't they?

>>5079821
>Evangelion LD boxset
What player and else do you have in your stash?

>>5079821
>Evangelion LD boxset
What player is that and what else do you have in your LD stash?

>>5077814
TAKE ME OUT YOU MUST FIGHT LIKE A MANN

>>5080576
That poor PC, she'll never walk again

>>5080672
>That poor PC, she'll never walk again
Its not even a "pc" lol. Its a quad core I5 16gb ram monitor riser. My "pc" is on the floor to the right. I was going to turn that I5 into anything from an emulation box to a NAS server, but I already have a dual core NAS. It certainly is feeling the crunch however. Some day Ill figure out what I want to do with it, but for now it is serving its purpose well.

>>5080643
>TAKE ME OUT YOU MUST FIGHT LIKE A MANN
That is a great photo. Very very good. It took me a few moments to put it together in my head.

>This car runs on SVGA
NO
>This monitor is porche powered
NO

The boot and the bonnet (As you brits say) is all mixed up.

>>5080634
The player is a CLD 925.
Apart from Eva, I have around a hundred of regular movies on LD, all of them in PAL/FR.
The only noteworthy sets I have are the Eva and End of Eva boxsets, along with the limited japanese GitS movie boxset.
I have another shipment coming from YA with the rest of the Eva series LD, along with some other stuff.
Pic related is the latest haul

should I get a "progressive scan" DVD player to go with my 14L5?

What about a ps3?

is this a good place to ask about a ps2 or ps3 component cable that isnt dogshit but isnt over 30 dollars

>>5080874

you can try find a HD retrovision ps2/ps3 cable. I believe they have a limited stock on amazon. I dont think they ship outside the US at this time though

>>5080874
if you can find the 3-1 energizer component cables they are probably the best cables i've ever owned.

>>5080912
thank you very much man

>>5080918
>>5080919
>>5080874
https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Energizer-HD-Cable-Nintendo-Wii/dp/B001VIF68Q

these ones.

>>5080921
this is even better because my ps2 is right on top of my original xbox, and my xbox component cable has frequent sync drops and bad audio buzz

thanks very much

I just found the only set with scart in Australia that isn't fuckhuge. It's a Daewoo. The problem is the brightness is way too high and I don't have the remote so I can't get into the menu. I tried a universal remote but I couldn't get the menu up with any code I tried.

Any ideas?

>>5080963
no problem. i bought multiples. they are a godsend.

>>5080985
smartphone remote app. There are lots of free ones, something might work.

>>5080963
use component instead?

Can a UK N64 power pack be used on a Japanese N64 safely?

>>5081127
Yes

Are all Trinitrons created equal?

Some guy on craigslist is giving the one in the pic away, but I have no details on the model. It looks newer.

>>5081134
as far as I know black case trinitrons are older models. but a free CRT is a free CRT

>>5081134
Doesn't look particularly special. The black casing probably means it's 90s. I have a 32" sony that looks somewhat similar from 1993, for reference. Also keep in mind that it looks like it only has mono sound, so you'll want a separate sound setup.

No harm in taking a look, assuming you're not traveling some huge distance. Just don't be expecting anything amazing. If you're lucky it'll have s-video input

>>5079821
What model set is it?

>>5081652
PVM-2130QM

>>5081828
I like this.

>>5081836
my controller smells like my toes now

>>5081828
redpilled

>>5081828
You are the reason why I take everything apart I ever buy and use rubbing alcohol to sterilize everything that cannot go in the dishwasher.

I enjoy the decorations. I can't judge you for the way you use your controller, but I will continue to disassemble and clean.


>>5081851
>my controller smells like my toes now
Yep. Exactly. My soul is puking right now.

>>5081828
>>5081851
>>5081872
kek whats the matter, can't stand a little toe jam?

>>5081875
>kek whats the matter, can't stand a little toe jam?
I am not a clean freak, but I do hate what happens to used controllers. The wierd grey spooge that gets caked into all the nooks and crannies. I like to think that it is just dead skin cells, which seems like a perfect place to grow any 3rd world virus or bacteria known to man. Since every used piece of electronics smells like a mix of curry, cat piss and a paper mill, I like to try to get it as clean as possible.

>>5081882
I tend to clean my controllers. So no toe jam is in the buttons

>>5081828
>>5081851
I am both laughing and grossed out at the same time.

>>5080628
>fucking with fake scanlines and shaders
Why? All you need is a PC CRT and 3840x240.
They're easy and cheap to find, they're often on low hours and they give you razor sharp scanlines like the best PVMs. It's not even that annoying to set up.
Plus you get to experiment and upscale with 640x480, or even more if you have 3D games you wanna upscale, without sacrificing the CRT look.

>>5080628
Possibly the most retarded thing ever.

>>5077814
Special request to any kind anon with the means:

can someone PLEASE take a picture of the meshes in the PC port of Daytona USA running through a VGA CRT computer monitor? Here's the download since it's pretty irritating trying to find now that rom sites are closing left and right: http://dl1.replayers.org/download.php?file=daytona-usa.rar&id=75457&platform=abandonware&key=30462484330331603625574400

>>5082108
are you saying to run it without the Direct3D patch for the game? since you didn't include it.

>>5082119
There's a direct 3D patch? Well that'd be cool to see but what I'm really interested in is the software renderer.

>>5082121
https://www.fileplanet.com/153321/150000/fileinfo/Daytona-USA-Deluxe---Direct3D-patch
Yeah.

>>5082130
That's the deluxe edition, this is just a straight port of the Saturn version.

>>5082013
any good guides on shopping for these? it would be a lot better for my setup

>>5082013
If you are referring to native 240p at 120hz this will create ghosting in the image when things move on screen. Additionally it is impossible to use on large CRT HDTVs.

>PVM 8044Q
>Extron 160xi
>GTX 960 -> DVI-I -> VGA -> Extron -> RGBs -> PVM
I'M SO FUCKING CLOSE I CAN TASTE IT BUT SOMETHING IS STILL WRONG
What's REALLY odd is that when hitting "test" in the nvidia control panel, everything looks fine @ 320x240, 60Hz. BUT after It saves the custom resolution and I select it, it's doubled like this.

>>5082274
Also realizing this was for 640x480, but regardless both have the same result

>>5082293
>>5082274
And pic related is my current setting for 320x240

>>5082215
fake what?

Why were CRTs so fucking heavy? I can remember my old tube TVs and computer monitors weighing tons

>>5082334
All that glass and a big transformer.

>>5082334
giant tube of glass, sometimes steel chassis

>>5082274
that's what happens if you try running 480p to a TV capable of 480i max

>>5082373
It turns you gay if you watch it.

>>5082373
Yea but the same thing happens when I run 320x240 (except when it's "testing" the resolution, which yields pic related)

>>5082331
I don't know I needed a name after I resized it.

>>5082428
So what are you actually trying to show us?

>>5082382
Nvidia control panel is fucked up and glitchy when it comes to custom resolutions

Try using xrandr.

>>5082027

>>5082382
Looks like nvidia drivers are doing scaling. I'd ditch what nvidia control panel is doing, use CRU, give the output new data with only 320x240 in the list, everything else deleted/deselected, and give it a new ID.

>>5082514
Ye, xrandr under linux just werks for me, I've got a spreadsheet to generate commands https://drive.google.com/open?id=1NuHHzD9WwdIXPxfbxH0H7esmMuPQ4uBd5FeuYOOa08w

>tfw you give up on looking for a universal CRT for both my sixth-gen consoles and previous-gen stuff because some asshole is buying up all the BVMs and PVMs and selling them for $1k in my area
At least the HDMI plug'n'play cable I got for my GC looks really nice on my monitor, so there's that at least. My only regret was buying these component cables for it, had I known about the HDMI converter that was in the works I wouldn't be out $300. But fuck, I'll be damned if I can find anything reasonable that isn't some shitty CRT in Commiefornia or price gouged to hell.

>>5082231
you can do black frame insertion on top of 240p120 to get rid of the ghosting if you don't mind the 60Hz flicker. Or just run 480p60 with a scanloin shader. Both will reduce effective brightness though.

>>5082524
I was lucky to snag one during the time where production companies were starting to get rid of them and before retro-fetishists swooped in. I don't know how I'd cope if mine were to burn out one day.

>>5082524
you can still get a 14 inch for what that component cable is worth
20 inch prices are fucked, though. too hard to ship and also the cat is long out of the bag

>>5082525
black frame insertion on a CRT results in a terrible dimming of the image, I'd never use it.

>>5082525
Black frame insertion on a CRT results in a terrible dimming of the image, I'd never use it. Shader brightness loss is acceptable, especially since you can crank contrast up to compensate for it. Or if your monitor supports high impedance mode (or maybe low, can never remember which) then you can flip that switch and get the loss of brightness back.

>>5082536
At least as long as some asshole keeps buying them up just to resell them to losers who can't fucking wait 3 months for a monitor that will likely outlive them.

>>5082524
If you live in California, what's keeping you from going to the amazing AV surplus auctions they have there? I've seen pro monitors as good as 20L5s going for $10 in them, and the only thing that's kept me from bidding on them is the fact that I'm two states away from LA.

>>5081906
>I tend to clean my controllers. So no toe jam is in the buttons
I still will continue to deconstruct and sterilize every component that comes into my house. I always check outdoors to verify there is no cockroaches, and if there is not, they come inside for a serious cleaning. I don't have shame, and if anything I get them cleaned and working as best as possible.


>>5082524
>My only regret was buying these component cables for it
You will always be able to get your money back by reselling something like that. They are in hot demand, and the value will probably continue to go up.

>>5082534
>I was lucky to snag one during the time where production companies were starting to get rid of them and before retro-fetishists swooped in.
I found my GDM that way....Long before they became a meme. I wish I knew about PVMs at that point, or I would have gotten a few.

>>5082536
>the cat is long out of the bag
If anything, it is easy to find a consumer grade CRT in large sizes. 14" is too small for my lifestyle, but I would jump on the right price for a PVM if it popped up. All I can do is keep my eyes open.

>>5082524
>tfw you give up on looking for a universal CRT for both my sixth-gen consoles and previous-gen stuff because some asshole is buying up all the BVMs and PVMs and selling them for $1k in my area
Keep your eyes peeled, once in a blue moon a good deal turns up.

Alternatively, get a VGA monitor and start looking into upscalers.

>>5082561
There's no way this venture is even economically viable. The people who do this PVM reselling shit probably have a house full of the things and they list them for fucking ridiculous buy-it-now prices on ebay that nobody ever takes the bait on. And they just keep relisting and relisting and relisting, and making zero fucking money. Maybe once in a blue moon you actually have someone retarded enough to drop a fucking G on a decades-old boob tube.

Question: Has anyone purchased an RGB-modded NES and was it worth it?

>>5082573
whats the site though?

>>5082610
Just Google "AV Surplus Auctions" along with other keywords and plenty of websites will turn up.

>own a 14" and 20" pvm
>own a 29" Nanao arcade monitor
>own tons of consoles and a dedicated arcade cabinet

>recently got a nice oled tv
>have a decent sound system
>set up an emulation pc that boots into launchbox
>decent scanline filter
>using retroarch's runahead feature
>games sound great, look fantastic on an oled with the same vibrancy and black levels as a decently calibrated crt without any imperfect geometry, and runahead is making (at least nes and snes) games near just as responsive as on actual hardware

G-guys. Help

>>5082604
the NES is honestly the only system I wouldn't go for the RGB modding as it's not native in any format and a pain in the ass to do it yourself. just get an AVS instead and use an hdmi-rgb converter if you want the same experience. best part is you can modify the firmware to change the color palette to your choice too

i'm pretty sure it's a similar case for the super NT in regards to SNES hardware but i don't have one

>t. guy who RGB-modded his NES

>>5082634
Differentfag here. I'd love to RGB mod my NES and have it look as crisp as an emulator, but I just can't justify the expense. 100 for the board and then having to worry about either doing a botched DIY job or sending it to someone else to do, who will certainly charge a pretty penny for his services.

Are Viewsonic monitors any good? What should I be looking for in a computer crt monitor, just a rebranded trinitron?

Anyone in florida want to roll the dice?
https://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/auction/view?auc=2192028

>>5082667
>1992

Has anyone ever heard of AOC, a computer monitor manufacturer?

>>5082629
Good for you mate, and enjoy it while the rest of us can.
I honestly think that LCD was a black mark on display technology, and overall a step back from CRT for the sake of convenience and cost cutting, but OLED, other than being a fixed pixel display, is much better.

>>5082629
a lot of us are making these same realizations

>>5082691
>$0.50
Seems fine to me

>>5082891
>>5082736
>>5082629
I'm going to continue to enjoy my CRT, but when microLED becomes widespread I think that may be the end
>all the benefits of OLED + no organic materials so no decay or burn in
4K microLED + framemeister set to 720p with scanlines = perfect scaling and amazing picture

soon

Does anyone know why the onscreen menu on a pvm would yellow? I'm talking about the white letters that come up on the screen when you change the volume or any other setting. The on screen menu just seems darker in general, but the picture on the tube is otherwise the same. Also, the volume seems to be dying, if that's of any help. (Maybe the two are linked?)

i'm trying to adjust my Trinitron, but i don't know what this:
V-Scroll
Left-HBCK
Right-HBCK
V-Slope

>>5082524
Hey screw you man, stop complaining. At least there's a steady supply of BVMs and PVMs in your area. I've only seen them for sale in my area two or three times in the past six months.

The 2030 is the most choice PVM of all

>>5083558
>no BNC RGB or component inputs
>have to use a nonstandard 26-pin monstrosity
I love the way the case of the 2030 looks, but no thanks.

>>5083568
>cant get a simple cable and it will take any scart just fine
If youve got scart why would you want any other connection, it has s video too

>>5083568
>judging a set solely on the basis of its ease of connections.
you can make a 15-pin D-sub to CMPTR input adapter cable for about ten dollars.

Once you do that the PVM-2030 has one of the most beautiful images you'll ever see. Better than later PVMs.

>>5083572
>>5083582
Interesting, didn't know that. Well I'll add it to the list for monitors to keep an eye out for, I'm happy with my 14-inch PVM and 20-inch Ganz security monitor for now.

>>5082691
So?
Nothing wrong with buying a CRT from 1992.

>>5083584
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F202440703753
This is the key item
Also the tv has a built in amp for audio

>>5081828
I legit want to lick that controller. More pics please.

>>5079938
The D series is not HD. This is a curved 240p/480i set with component. I have one and theyre really damn good.

What's the word on Panasonic BT CRTs? They look pretty similar to the Trinitrons.

>>5083605
>$45

What a rip-off. You can buy a cheap RGB SCART cable and a DB25 breakout board for less than $8 shipped. Cut the end of off of the SCART cable, strip the wires, and then put them into the breakout board and then tape it all up to hold. PVMs can receive audio through the CMPTR connector so you can wire that up too, but you can also splice an RCA cable and put that into some unused pins of the 25 pin connector so you wouldn't have to solder there either. (but really you ought to just solder the audio wires together properly, it's not that hard).

>>5083708
Quality monitors often overlooked and comparatively underpriced due to muh pvm. Also look out for JVC, they have some quality units.

>>5083716
Yeah, wookiewin's shit is all overpriced as fuck.

>>5083708
BT-H line is a clone of JVC DT-V
flat glass, aperture grill, no stock input.

>>5082705
Chinese crap, a 1080p LCD set I had died only after a year and a half, and thei tablets suck ass

>>5083278
search for your models service manual

>>5083558
>The 2030 is the most choice PVM of all

Consider the following:
>7 extra inches of screen
>Component support
>no DB25 meme inputs

>>5084102
No component support, but can always go searching out a 3230 as well.

I found this monitor in my mom's attic that only has a db9 port but my graphics card only has digital ports. Would there be any noticeable input lag or loss of video quality by using a db9 to dvi-d adapter?

>>5077814
What are peoples' experience with figuring out the best way to switch between different RGB sources without having to manually plug/unplug SCART cables? I'm seriously confused regarding the various SCART switchboxes out there, with people saying they're all trash unless you get some expensive custom one. And I'm not paying 100+ dollars just to avoid cable switching.

Is it true that you can use the cheap ones so long as you open it up and cut the voltage line to prevent interference?

I might be being a brainlet, but I got a 4 way component switcher for really cheap at a thrift store and it has s video, component, and composite. My crt only has s-video and composite, if I get component cables and output using s video to the TV I will have signal degradation to s video quality correct? I want to get an s video cable for the original xbox (not retro) but they seem somewhat uncommon so I could just get component instead.

>>5084445
Extron Crosspoints are cheap as shit and professional quality.

Walking in the suburbs and saw 2 curbside crt's, one was a curved Toshiba with the fledgling 'colorstream' component and a pleasant chassis. Too bad I didn't have a car, I would have saved it.

>>5083708
Panasonic, JVC, NEC, Mitubishi and Ikegami are all better than Sony's PVM/BVM monitors.

>>5084545
Those Toshiba's are kick ass.

>>5084528
That would require me to get SCART-to-BNC adapters for every single console in addition to the 50-80 dollars for the matrix switcher itself. Not exactly solving the issue.

>>5084578
Are you outputting to a monitor which accepts BNC?

>>5084580
Let me go spend a fuckton of money on BNC breakout cables for every single console. Oh, and and a bunch of those RCA audio breakouts since the extrons don't use RCA audio jacks. All to avoid paying for a more expensive scart switcher, when my entire point of contention was price.

>>5084547
God damn anon SLOW DOWN

>>5084602
Okay, buy a $200 SCART switcher and $35 SCART to BNC adapters for every console as well as $40 SCART cables on each console if a $25 extron crosspoint is too expensive for you.

>>5084547
Even if that were true, they're much less common. Especially ones with RGB input. The few times I see non-sony professional monitors, whether on ebay or in the wild, they're almost always the ones that are composite/s-video only. What a waste.

>>5084623
I'm not sure if you're trolling or just retarded. You only need a single SCART to BNC adapter if you're using a SCART switcher. If you're using a BNC switcher, you need SCART to BNC adapters for every single console.

>>5084445
stop switching systems so often

Just picked up an Ikegami TM9-1 as my first monitor for cheap online (other set is a 27" JVC D series). Absolutely love it for my coffee table setup. Only problem I found is that the screen is slightly tilted. Doesn't bother me too much but seems like it would be easy to fix with a little know-how. I read the manual and it says nothing about a service menu. Anyone have any input on this?

>>5084762
open it up and rotate the yoke

>>5084669
Their rarity makes them all the more legendary. If you have to settle for a Sony, so be it.

>>5079235
don't they have SCART in Australia?

>>5084102
>>5084138
The 2950qm has ypbpr

>>5084671
maybe if you're using a setup while involves BNC you shouldn't use SCART because it's just a waste.

>>5084774
I know; I was talking about the 3230.
Downside over the 2950 is no Component support, upside is BIGGER and slightly higher TVL.

2950 having explicit support for PAL60 and a 16:9 toggle is pretty handy though.

>>5083274
That image was literally me in '92 in college but with a mullet and a cassette boom box next to me. Good times dog.
But as far as your TV is concerned, it's probably bad/bulged capacitors somewhere. Or maybe a bad cap is leaking and causing trace corrosion? Maybe a ribbon cable or some connection being bad? No way to know without ripping the fucker apart and anyone who's worked on CRTs will tell you how dangerous it is. The first time I tried to RGB mod an old POS consumer TV I ended up in the hospital because of a shitload of electricity still lingering in the TV. I'm not trying to scare you or anything, just know what your doing. Godspeed my dude.

GDM-FW900

It never looks right in photos. I am lacking the anti-glare coating, and I think this contributes to it. Got a quick pick of a screensaver earlier tonight & I think it really highlights the color and depth. This photo actually looks like what is on the screen pretty accurately.

Are there any advantages to dots over slots?

So I stumbled upon this toshiba miniature TV/DVD-player combo, screen's probably about 9". It's absolutely nothing special whatsoever, but I decided to open it up to take a look inside, and I noticed some sort of pin connector going from a circuitboard where I think the DVD portion of the device is, with 4 wires going to the tube. Red, green, blue, and yellow wires.

Which leads me to believe that this little piece of shit might be going straight RGB from the DVD player to the TV, and it looks like I could easily tap into that. I think I'm going to try to disconnect it and see if I can hook it up with BNC connectors and see if that works. Not going to do any miracles, but I've only ever seen the thing outputting via composite

>>5085181
finer dot pitch, and also just looks better.

Will I die if I try to rotate the yoke while its on to actually see how much im turning

>>5085682

Looks pretty safe based on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzdZZbI1BzU

Though I'd feel safer with a glove and trying to use only one hand. Just don't touch the anode cap.

>>5085695
Damn its so much easier than on mine
Theres huge motherboards on all sides making reaching in almost impossible

>>5085012
this post is illogical

>>5085470
Unless you're in euroland that DVD is encoded in component color space, and those are not rgb

>>5084524
You bought a switcher, not a converter. No.

Also transcoding any signal to S-Video is a fairly undesirable conversion and is usually expensive for decent results.

>>5086119
Being in Europe doesn't change DVD as a standard. It's still MPEG2; 4:2:0 YCbCr/YUV internally. It's not impossible, but I doubt the DVD player portion would be converting to RGB before passing it over to the TV side. I'd expect it's jungle to just be able to accept YPbPr and send it off to the neck like anything else.

>>5085968
>this post is illogical
When I take a photograph of the monitor, the blacks which are black appear almost grey. The "anti-glare" coating works by keeping external light from distorting the colors in this way. I removed it because it became scratched on a belt buckle while carrying it. Always protect your glare coat. I have tried to source a Circular polarizing film, but cannot find a piece large enough to cover the glass entirely.

>>5086216
>The "anti-glare" coating works by keeping external light from distorting the colors in this way.
Getting quality photos of a set whether it has an anti-glare coating on it tends to do best in low light anyway.

>>5086230
>Getting quality photos of a set whether it has an anti-glare coating on it tends to do best in low light anyway.
This is true, but I was really inspired by the OP's ability to capture the color of his monitor, while still being in a room with good lighting. It doesn't help that I am using a 2012 cell phone, or that the "subject" is a CRT. Just getting a clear picture is sometimes tricky.

>>5077814
have a (you) OP. I have possibly 5-6 posts already, and I have to comment that you have done a great job showing your monitor, and its quality. I also re-loaded diablo II and am playing through for old time's sake.

>>5082108
anyone?

>>5084623
where do you get phoenix adaptes like that? I'm sick of chopped up rca cable ends.

>>5086215
RGB internally wouldn't be that weird, the conversion is trivial when you're already doing DVD decoding. I've also seen s-video used internally.

DVD players with RGB SCART out are reasonably common in yuroland

>>5086384
>while still being in a room with good lighting.
While it isn't true in this case, some of the shots that have a particularly well lit room but still with a properly exposed picture are actually composite images; Taking two separate photos of the same scene, except with one to get exposure for the room (lights on) and one to get proper exposure for the picture on the screen. Remove the terribly under exposed portions of the second photo, align it with the first and then adjust transparency to blend the two together.

The OP is a composite image, but instead of being two different photos, it's the same image with two different color balances applied. One to deal with the light coming from the ceiling light, and then one to deal with the light coming from the CRT itself. It's not impossible to get both to look right in one go, but is definitely more difficult.

Anywho, thanks for the (You).

>>5086396
I'm assuming it's older? If so, if you think a slow ass r60 Thinkpad (Core Duo T2400 paired with an X600) running XP, I might be able to give it a shot.

>>5086565
Didn't mean it'd be weird, just odd; Well aware of the S-Video bit though.

>>5086574
>I'm assuming it's older
It's a game from 1996, anything above a Pentium shouldn't have any problem running it.

>>5086584
Still worth checking, considering how trash this laptop can run sometimes.

What would cause smearing/ghosting on a PVM like this? Is this a symptom of one or more Capacitors going bad?

>>5086628
are you seriously the same person asking again?
I know the pic is from the guy complaining about the ebay seller, but still...

>>5086628
it's your cables. try wiggling around the connections on your console and tv. if that doesn't fix it you might need a better cable

>>5086748
There's been posts before showing before/after cleanup of ghosting by changing caps.

>>5083632
while using my feet to play the controller I let out a massive wet fart that smelled like steak and cheese. Then all of a sudden I thought of Shaquille O'Neal

A year or so ago someone was asking in /crt/ about those Apple 21 inch studio monitors. The OSD is a software that only runs on early OSX or mac classic. You can't change any of the OSD settings without the USB+vga talking with the software.

Did anyone ever find out how to bypass this? I would guess once you set it up, it would remember the settings per resolution. I feel like VM is the solution but dammit I hate fucking with a VM for a few hours to find out it will never work.

I have one of these and no resolution fills the screen because the idiot I bought it from 6 years ago replaced the battery after tossing his G4.

Is there a general fix for a tube that is not as in focus around the outer parts of the image, but shaper closer to the center?

>>5086574
>The OP is a composite image
OK, that makes a good bit of sense. I wondered, but just assumed you knew some magic with your camera and lighting that I was not attuned to. Very good trick, and thanks for filling me in on the methods. Either way, you picked a game that I played continuously on a pentium III 800mhz until my first Dual core AMD. There was no need to upgrade from 1998 until nearly 9 years later. Some people get screen burn in from constant display of objects....My eyes have burn in of the health and mana orbs.

>>5085682

The plastic part is what you want to touch. I've read sometimes they can be energized slightly.
Also be careful of the terminals at the 12 o clock position at the top (usually four of them). Not every crt has those insulated or a plastic cover over them.

>>5086848
>Did anyone ever find out how to bypass this?
Just buy an old mac. Fucking around with a VM will probably end up not working.

>>5086864
>.My eyes have burn in of the health and mana orbs.
Hue

If I had decent lighting in here, I could likely get both in the same shot and with the same exposure. I don't, and doing a composite image is just easier and more reliable.

where do i go to shot for a tv stand
everyone is all for wide flat screens i want something fat and narrow for TVs

Does anyone know how to get into service mode on a Daewoo?

>>5087101
I bought something similar to this for my 20" consumer set:
https://www.amazon.com/Seville-Classics-Industrial-All-Purpose-Utility/dp/B00BN46WIQ/

What are the thoughts on projection tvs
Ive got a Sony WEGA KDS-60A2000
60 inch and has hdmi vga s video component the works and looks amazing for new and old

>>5088220
Use emulation to bring out the best in it. You need to pre-scale with Retroarch + shaders. Real hardware hooked up via the televisions internal scalers will look like dog shit. Emulation with the right settings will be a top tier image.

or better, don't waste your time on rear projection PoS

>>5088294
Idiotic post. There is plenty good to be brought out of a rear projection CRT, especially one that "looks amazing" in his words so that means it's still in great shape.

>>5086846
>Then all of a sudden I thought of Shaquille O'Neal

Dude, I've been playing Shaq-FU recently, even today. Please post more pics, it's too much of a coincidence to be chance.

>>5086853
Dynamic convergence

>>5084524
Laugh at me boys

Got an advanced av pack with s video, ran it through the component switcher and there was audio and video interference, so I thought the cords were faulty. Thought I could just splice other cable ends on so I cut the cable

Turns out it was just the component switcher, connecting direct to TV was fine. Good thing I kept the video intact so all I need to do is buy another red and white stereo audio cord.

Pic related

>>5088870
Nice meme.

>>5088294
Nothing wrong with rear projection as long as you understand the technology and keep realistic expectations. The main problems you run into with them are focus, convergence, and burn-in issues. If you manage to find a good unit that doesn't have too much of these problems then they will excellent in low-lighting conditions. With a huge screen and zero lag if it's an older one.

If it's an HD unit then all the same caveats apply you would have with a direct-view CRT HDTV. One thing to look out for: forced bilinear filtering on SD input. You will have to go into the service menu to turn this off. Or not bother with it and send prescaled video like has already been suggested.

Lag on RCA and Sony rear projection CRT HD units is very low. Probably about 2 frames, so they are suitable for non-critical duties.

Split-screen multiplayer via emulation could be interesting on a HD set. You can increase internal resolution, and at 1920x1080i each player would have a good viewing area.

>>5088220
However, unfortunately this set is not a CRT. It's an LCD rear projection TV. Still a great television and most of the same concepts apply, but it's not a CRT.

This is a CRT rear projection HDTV.

>>5089049
and here is one for free
https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ele/d/hd-pioneer-rear-projection-tv/6693684809.html

These are disappearing from the world. Not even retro gaming enthusiasts want them (but they should). It's a shame, really.

>>5084995
Hmm, thanks. I'll be sure to be careful when I do open it up.

>>5089075
what benefit would it yield over a pure crt projector?

>>5089098
CRT projectors are notoriously fickle and hard to calibrate beasts. If you're not planning on putting them into a permanent bolted-down home cinema room I would not bother with them. They need a pretty good throw distance to get the most out of them. They can work at short distances, but you will have slightly blurry corners. A lot of them are quite loud as well.

>>5088773
Guessing that would be on a circuit inside the tv, instead of a service menu item?

>>5089098
Doesn't need as much room to install, and shouldn't need as much fiddly adjustments to get thing converged (at least workably converged) since it has a relatively set throw.

>>5089139
RP CRT sets are exactly the same thing, just installed into a box with a screen and set up for a very short throw, which is why RP CRTs tend to be rather blurry.

Still putting together a guide/table of sorts, but for working out what sort of set a given model is, this is a good thing to go by.

Sony Specific, obviously.

First Block of Letters:
KV = CRT Television, NTSC Tuner
KX = CRT Monitor, no Tuner
KD = CRT Television, Digital (ATSC) Tuner
KW = Widescreen CRT Models (Uncommon)
KP = CRT Rear Projection
KDP = CRT Rear Projection with Digital (ATSC) Tuner
KWP = KWP-65HD1, Wide CRT Rear Projection
VPH = CRT Projector
CVM = Color Video Monitor
PVM = Professional Video Monitor
BVM = Broadcast Video Monitor
SSM = Surveillance (and) Security Monitor
GVM = Graphical Video Monitor
PHM = HDVS Picture/Viewing Monitor
HDM = HDVS Master Monitor
PGM = Upscaler Expansion stuff
HMD = Home Media Display
CPD = Color Professional Display
GDM = Graphical Display Monitor
DDM = Data Display Monitor; Here be Dragons

Non-CRT Prefixes
KF = LCD Rear Projection
KE = Plasma
KZ = Plasma (Euro?)
KLV = LCD with NTSC Tuner (with exceptions)
KDE = Plasma with Digital (ATSC) Tuner
KDL = LCD Flatscreen
KDS = LCoS Rear Projection with Digital (ATSC) Tuner
VPL = Other Projection Tech (LCD and LCoS)

>>5089146
if your tv has a service menu, the menu likely has a dynamic convergence adjustment. If not, then you would probably have to put magnetic strips on the tube itself to help things converge

Do all crts have convergence rings? This shitty apex doesn't have them unless someone removed them. Yoke looks glued too. Thomson tube.

Screen will be good practice to buff out scratches since it definitely has some. tl;dr it is real beat up and dirty.

>>5089181
apparently a few brands of crt calibrate a convergence device at the factory and then lock it in so it is nonadjustable

>>5089185

Ah I see, thanks.

This one is a silver apex, but I used to have a black apex from 2003 that look ok. Same size 27".

Oh well. This tube is beat to shit anyhow. The convergence is pretty bad everywhere except dead center. I just wanted to mess around with it but its not even worth it.

>>5089154
>DDM = Data Display Monitor; Here be Dragons
what do you mean by this

>>5089207
he probably means either
>they're really cool (they are)
>you'll never find one

Got a free 1954q today, already have better monitors like an ikegami htm2050ra1 but it's pretty cool. Just need to fix the neckboard, has broken traces.

Grandia on Saturn really is gorgeous.

>>5089207
>>5089220
and we've hardly got any information about them

>>5086848
VM might be possible if it was still supported in Intel OS X.

Are those little 8-9" PVMs worth it? Kinda curious what their picture looks like since they're so small. And I figure it'd be a neat thing to have on a desk. I already own a 20" PVM though.

I actually went into my first CRT today, so what is the reality of the chances of dying from electrocution from them?

>>5089385
unless you can get it cheap not really.

>>5089392
flyback and annode cap are the dangerous parts, practice safety around them

>>5089409
Do those parts actually kill you if you touch them? I was using rubber-tipped gloves and wore rubber-soled shoes which I was inside but I'm still curious what they can hold. I was only adjusting the yoke, but the internal of the CRT still interests me.

>>5089414
In theory it could, I've mostly heard stories of people losing control of their bowels or getting painful shocks, even after discharging. The thing is, what if you have a heart condition you don't know about? That electric shock could be enough to stop your heart. That's the concern of death.

>>5089418
That's actually very interesting. Kind of weird we haven't had a video yet of some dude dying due to touching the innards of a CRT television.

>>5089421
It probably doesn't happen very often at all. I'm surprised there's not plenty of people getting shocked unexpectedly or even losing control of their bowels, stories at least.

>>5089154
DELETE THIS
DO NOT GIVE THE NORMIES THIS KNOWLEDGE

>>5089427
Maybe there aren't stories because they're all dead.

>>5089154
the thing is Sony is easy to document. When you get to things like the Ikegami HTM-3203 or the Panasonic AT-H3017W, or the Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 37. Shit just doesn't seem to exist in any meaningful quantities.

>>5089440
It doesn't matter. If it doesn't have the magic letters RGB and PVM printed on the case they don't want it. Normies don't want GDMs or televisions.

>>5089452
You can find some stuff through the wayback machine and monitorworld.com

KV-27FS320, Megaman X Collection on PS2

>Had a portable CRT as a kid
>No idea what model
All I remember is it had a 2-3 foot antenae, & must have had Composite in cause I played mario bros. on it constantly. Flat rectangular design. grey I think. I want to say it was like 6-8 inches high, & a foot & a half long. Might have been a sony. Anyone know a model that matches this? Might have had a built in radio too, but that could have been me tuning into analogue TV channels. Also it had a circular nob on the side.

>>5089504
it's fucking Barq's you Troglodyte

>>5089513
>Not kicking back with a nice Bang & Olufson CRT

>>5088351
by all means get them as you please
>>5089035
RPCRTs have limited viewing angles because of fresnel lens.

>>5089519
meme brand, bullshit prices

>>5089605
>RPCRTs have limited viewing angles because of fresnel lens.
If you sit > 90 degrees from the TV. Don't do that. It's a non-issue.

>>5089629
let me guess, you have an RP that you're currenty selling.

Because I took a photo of the battlestation:

>>5089452
I am well aware.

The issue with those are finding manuals at all, but that's an issue with nearly anything that isn't a Sony. The JVC/Panasonic sets are lucky to have some service manuals and the like available, or at least some sort of info. SOME Mitsus have info while other are forgotten, and then Ikegami which doesn't have shit.

>>5089440
The portion that would actually be useful from that isn't terribly hard to put together. That being the first few, the PC bits, and the PVM bits, and a combination of wikipedia's FD trinitron page, sony's site, and a couple minutes in google can get you all of that.

The only strange/uncommon ones are the DDMs, HDVS sets, and the PGM; The former of which no one is ever going to come across or really be able to use, and the latter of which are limited in their uses. You'll either know what you're looking for, or if you confuse it for a PVM, then people can point and laugh at you over why your SNES won't work on it.

It's the middle part that is going to need work put in. Sure, figuring out the newer (M, S, V) models forward is easy but everything before that just seem so jumbled you'd almost think someone was just had a really bad game of scrabble.

You've got:
FMR
VXR(likely known)
EXR
SXR
HSR
T
TW
TX
TR
RS
RX
PM
PS
SD
R
RD
CX
AD (likely figured out)

and then for end letters:
S
L(admittedly used later)
R
RS(not to be confused with the other RS)
RX(not to be confused with the other RX)
CR(Pretty sure figured out)
M
C

>>5089636
I posted a link to one of the elite models that is currently being given away for free. If you can't sell that you can't sell any of them.

Read critically next time.

>>5089731
>limited viewing angles
>not an issue
you too

>>5089646
>nintenshitter

Anyone who knows of a good HDMI to RGB-SCART converter? I wanna watch modern content on my CRT and I don't want to be stuck with burning DVDs.

>>5089614
>bullshit prices
They're pretty plentiful in Scandinavia and are at least in Denmark and Sweden they tend to be fairly cheap also. If you live anywhere else they're likely not something I would recommend getting though.

>>5090187
They're cheap plentiful and generally well cared for in the UK too.

The remotes? Not so much. Then again I have a Logitech Harmony so IDGAF.

Would you buy 2 of these for $50 each?

>>5091097

Hey i'm looking for a CRT TV with an RGB-SCART input to use with an MSX computer and there's a Sony KV-14M1A being sold locally. Anyone know if the SCART at the back accepts RGB or if it's just an S-Video thing?

tfw havent turned on my bvm since i got the super nt back in february

>>5091146
Any set with just a single SCART connector on it is going to have RGB.

>>5089646
I think we're the only console crt fags on this board

>>5091097
>>5091101
Yes.

>>5091097
>>5091101

Does anyone know anything about this set? Era, model family, application? I'm probably going to buy it if only because it has RGB inputs, but I've never seen some of the stuff on this set so I'm kind of thrown for a loop. It's definitely older but that's all i can gather.

>>5091405
It's a PVM-1910 and it is an excellent set. You should not hesitate to buy them both for $50 because they are worth quite a lot more than that.

In terms of image quality they have a very bright and powerful image that is among the very best you will ever see for a classic game, but have lower TVL counts than later PVMs, which actually makes old games look better.

Don't pass on them, you'll regret it.

>>5091419
Nice! Yeah, I'm going to pick them up.I spoke to the seller and he said he's hold on to them for me. He runs a prop rental house and said he has a "stack" of 8" too if im interested.
I'm not sure if the second one is the same model, or if there is a second one. The seller just said he thinks he has 2, both 19" but wasnt 100%. I told him I'd take them both and would look at an 8". What's happening to me, i went from no crts 3 weeks ago to possibly having 6 buy the end of the week.
>>5079235
That's me too. The JVC is fucking tits.

>>5091405
re: application

It's 15khz only, no HD functionality at all. 100% analog, no on-screen display.

Line A = composite video and possibly s-video (unless "tuner" is something else)

RGB = true RGB. Not component video.

Sync is C-sync or combined sync. I can't remember if composite video sync is supported, but I believe it is not.

Absolutely zero input delay. You will not find lower in the world.

Best used to play games from the 80s or 90s. Especially good for arcade games from the time that were designed for RGB output. Games like R-Type, Street Fighter 2, King of Fighters, Gradius, Ghouls n' Ghosts, and Metal Slug will look absolutely amazing on this through RGB.

>>5091427
When you get out and start looking for them they're out there and usually if you find one there's a good chance you'll find more. The people who complain they can't find any are looking in the wrong places.

>>5091441
Yeah, the JVC was free from a friend and there might be another free monitor coming from a different friend. LA/ the valley is littered with rental houses and studios. I haven;t resorted to going door to door but its tempting. The guy i met with today about the pvm-1910 said he has 3 warehouses. The one we were in was filled to the brim with a/v equipment . He said most of it was gutted and used as props, but he said he definitely has plenty of old working gear. He bought out CBS' stuff when they were liquidating old stock.

>>5091146
Sony helpfully labels their SCART inputs according to what they can input and output.

The top socket in this example has composite in/out (arrows pointing both ways) and S-Video in (S). The bottom one again has composite in and out but also RGB in (three dots).

HTH.

Can I use component cable to plug into rgb inputs if I use a coaxial/rca adapters?

I have a white PVM 1271Q like pic related. I've been thinking about what I want to do with it.

I had thought occasionally to make a cocktail cabinet out of it. But that seems a shame considering how nice the exterior of the monitor looks. So I guess I will build a bartop out of it instead.

But instead of a traditional bartop that is all one unit, my plan is to create a pedestal with controls and computer hardware built inside, and then place the PVM on top of it, with some holes in the top of the pedestal for the PVM's feet to notch into.

What do you think of this concept? I believe this rather abstract concept gets the idea of what I am talking about across. The bottom would be painted light gray with black controls to match the PVM color scheme.

>>5091431
>and possibly s-video (unless "tuner" is something else)
It uses the same sort of tuners as the Profeels did. VTX-100 and VTX-1000 for examples. Composite, Audio, and control one one DIN connector.

>>5091730
It'd look something along the lines of Sony's early 80s computers. I like it.

Figure I'd ask this here since there's no /techsupport/ thread and the guys here are the most likely to know something. I have a model 1 genesis (non-HD-graphics, no ext port on back) that's stopped working. I was playing Ecco and the screen glitched out and then froze probably about 30 seconds in, with glitching graphics. Then I try it again and with various carts and it keeps freezing at the TMSS screen. Then I stop getting anything at all.

At first I assumed it was a faulty voltage regulator. But I checked both 7805s with a multimeter and they're working fine as far as I can tell. I also tried two different first-party genesis 1 AC adapters and also tested them both and they're both functioning properly. And I'm no soldering guru by any stretch of the imagination, but I checked the bottom board for any obvious dry joints or other issues like that, and everything seems fine in that regard. No obviously fucked up caps or anything either. I've also tried RF, composite, and RGB with no success getting a signal on the screen, but the TV does seem to recognize that there's a signal coming from the TV. I've also hooked in headphones as a final check to make sure it's not just some sort of video problem.

And lastly I've tried a ton of different games and none work. Black screen every time.

If I can't get it working it's not the end of the world, but this baby is my original genesis and I'd like to get it back in working order if possible. But at this point I have no clue what's causing the issue.

>>5091146
I have not stumbled upon a single SCART-equipped TV set that didn't accept RGB.

>>5089385
They’re cute meme novelties, and can actually be usable if you make it a point of keeping them close to your face.

That said with the current prevailing price on eBay, you’re better off paying a small premium to get to 12”-14” unless you live in a closet or are deathly allergic to using two hands to hold a tube.

What's a good console to hook up to that pvm-1910? I've already got the Playstation hooked up to a different pvm and an snes hooked up to a jvc through scart. I'm thinking a model 1 genesis is about the best I can do with 350tvl +rgb with no input lag.

some dude in my area has an faroudja ld 100 for sale. not sure what to offer off the bat for it.

it is strictly a line doubler so 480p max res output i believe.

I hope to use the vga out and connect that to extron 1:4 vga and then to multiple vga crts simultaneously. obviously not strickly for vidya but the transcoding of the most popular analog inputs to rgbhv / vga would enable any console to be presented at 480p.

I am unsure however how it would handle a 480p input like a ypbpr wii. if it at least transcodes it then sweet. If i do get it it will probably make me go crazy and buy an svhs deck because I am confused about what year it is and '''''''''major advances in the av world''''''
faroudja is a funny word and launch price of like $15k makes me think $50 will get me this ez pz.

>>5089385
I have one next to me with a famicon hooked up to it. its a nice little monitor if thats all you want to use it for, but if you can find a 14 inch for a decent price I'd go for that instead

>>5089385
I have one next to me with a famicon hooked up to it. they are nice little monitors if thats what you are after but they are unnecessarily expensive these days

>>5092303
nice setup anon, what have you got the pvm sitting on?

>>5091994
>laughinganimegirls.gif

>>5092591
EIA_copypasta.txt

>>5092373
Arcade

>>5092604
Hehe

t. author of that copypasta which I am not going to post

Are there any statistics on the prevalence of skin conditions of all kinds over time? If the x-rays are what cause my skin to be so clear, there should be a bump when CRTs fell out of fashion.

>>5091279
>>5091624
>>5091994

So the stuff i've been reading about "RGB televisions are rare, get a Sony PVM" and "you need to mod the TV by hijacking the OSD lines" is a bunch of rubbish for americans that don't have SCART on almost every TV set?

>>5093016
>a bunch of rubbish for americans that don't have SCART on almost every TV set?
Pretty much. Europe has plentiful and easy access to RGB displays.

>>5093020
Japan too, they had JP21 and that weirdly shaped port.

>>5093029
JP21 wasn't on everything like it was on Euro TVs, but still far easier access than the Americas.

>>5093031
I've heard RCA had SCART on some of their sets, but it's unclear if these took RGB or not. Those are pretty rare though.

>>5093031
What's weird is that a TV released specifically for the PS1 was advertised as having an RGB input, but used some kind of weird proprietary cable for it.
https://youtu.be/esJGmJhVMSw

>>5093049
the connector is the same as the PS1, can build an adapter for JP21/SCART/whatever to it pretty easily.

>>5093049
they didn't want it to be used with other consoles

>>5092420
specs say interlaced in only so I suspect 480p Wii in won't work. manual suggests it's doing some fancy deinterlacing so may add lag and/or have issues with 240p

>>5093039
see
>>5092591

The RCA Dimensia. And no, it doesn't have RGB wired up. Someone on neo-geo uploaded some photos of the manual several years back, and it explicitly states that it's only wired up for composite video and not RGB. Sadly, they got deleted at some point.

That said, there is at least one Sony model that seems to have been sold in the US/Canada in some small numbers which does have a fully wired SCART input; Specifically, the KV-3400, which seems to have been marketed as a Profeel in certain regions. All for the wonderful price of $2700 in 1994, or ~$4600 today.

>>5091730
>you think of this concept?
I think it would be cool.

>>5091097
>>5091404
>>5091419
>>5091431

Alright boys, I went and picked it up today. I'm very glad that I did. The old guy had tons of CRT monitors, but i only picked up one today. He has them in a different warehouse across town, so he just took a bunch of pictures. Most of the monitors are a little older, I didn't see any Ikegami or JVC models; but he did have some pretty nice high-end computer monitors. I bought the 1 PVM-1910 and gave him another $50 bucks for a PVM-2030 he had at the other warehouse, it was one of the ones he had a picture of. I hate to be a flipper, but I'll probably sell the 1910 for $100 and end up with the 2030 for free. Like I said, most of the stuff was older so I didnt jump and offer him a wad for the lot. I paid him upfront for the other monitor because I was worried that now that he has pictures of the stuff, he might go and post the rest of them on craigslist.

Does anyone know what the pinout would be to connect a playstation to a 25 pin CMPTR connector?

Can I do anything with this? Its a 19" Trinitron. Sorry for stubid question

Found this rca truflat outside. Been testing snes games on it and everything looks pretty nice. Are these considerd good for retro?

>>5093597
Look up the model number and check the specs. What kind of inputs does it have? I've heard anons complain about flat screens having bad "geometry" but i still don't know what they mean.

>>5093613
It's a 20F511T and it has three composite and 1 s-video input

>>5093617
It's nothing special but the s-video should be serviceable for most retro. The price was right and you kept it from the dump for now, not bad anon.

>>5093390
Hold on to the PVM 1910. It might not seem exciting now but as you get further in this hobby it's the one you'll have wished you kept.

>>5093020
I will be pedantic here and remind everyone (as if they really need it) that millions upon millions of CRT PC monitors were "RGB".

But of course that's not what we're really talking about here.

>>5093668
Also if you -really- want to sell it then I'll buy it off of you for $100 + the shipping cost.

>>5093671
I'll assume that was meant for me and keep that in mind. I'm mostly concerned with space. I also already have a couple of arcade machines so i'm not too into playing arcades games on a table top set.

So how do you think I should approach this one? Use paper clips for bridging? At least it was free.

>>5093743
why not wires?

>>5093597
It's a good beater to take to fighting game tournaments or gatherings. And no, I'm not just talking about Smash.

>>5093823
sure I could do that too.

>>5093668
I'm about to take the easy way out for a cab build by using a Dell PC monitor. I think these might be the easiest high-quality monitors in the world to get a hold of. And they are completely accurate to the arcade too, so long as the game you are playing was meant for 31khz.

>>5093743

It's dead, Jim... I would not trust any repair carried out on a board like that, especially on a high voltage component

>>5094045
>letting a monitor go to waste because "oh no SCARY VOLTAGES"
That can be fixed

>>5094048

I'm not saying let it go to waste, just that if you can't do a proper repair it's probably best not to try. You could get it to work, but the longevity and safety of such a repair is questionable, long-term. It's possible to find a replacement neck board listed somewhere or use the monitor for parts to fix another one. High-voltage boards are designed to a spec to prevent contacts from arcing over to eachother - note the slots that are routed between some of them from the factory.

Some cracks can be repaired, but if you somehow reduce that clearance when attempting to glue together a jigsaw puzzle this bad, running wires with insufficient insulation and/or snaking around other contacts there, you're gonna have a bad time. There's also large chunks of the groundplane that are completely snapped off from the rest of the board, you would have to bridge them not just with a wire, but the full surface area if you want to sufficient grounding comparable to the way it was.

>>5093884
>they are completely accurate to the arcade too, so long as the game you are playing was meant for 31khz
Not that i think you mad a bad choice, but if you think a lot of games were made for 31kHz specifically you're in for a surprise.

Have any of you guys ever used the db25 connector on a pvm for a console? I can't seem to get a proper wiring diagram on the db25 side, all I'm finding is a db25 to Playstation controller pinout.
Also, I need to add 220uf capacitors into every rgb line, right?

>>5093743
It’s fixable if you have the skill and the patience. I’d put it aside and have a go at it on a lazy day.

>>5094328
>db25 to Playstation controller pinout
That definitively has nothing to do with the the db25 on PVMs. DB25 has been used for a lot of things, most notably PC parallel ports and Amiga serial ports.

>>5094358
Yeah, I'm not trying to use it for the Playstation controller. The db25/CMPTR connector seems to be the rgb connector on the 2030. There are scart to db25 adapters available but I'm more than capable of making a cable, I just can't find the proper pinout.

Anyone know what would cause a sort of ghosting effect on a CRT that looks like the tail of a comet? There's a very subtle effect like this on my PVM that can be seen if there's a colored background with something bright over top. For example, a purple sky with snowflakes or other white spirtes traveling down, you'll see a very faint band to the right of each white snowflake. It doesn't happen on black backgrounds and it's too faint for my camera to pick it up, or I'd post a picture. I also tried hooking up the game console to my LCD monitor via component transcoder, and I don't see any of the effects, so I don't think it's an internal problem with the console or in the SCART cable.

Which means it's either a problem in the PVM or the SCART-BNC breakout cables I'm using, right? For reference the system I'm using to test this is a Model 1 HD-graphics Genesis. I know systems like the SNES have inherent horizontal blurryness to them anyhow.

It's really not that big of a deal and only visible in very specific situations, but I really just want to know if this comet-tail-like banding is a sign of my PVM failing or something. I'd rather not find out that my monitor is failing and then have to pay the PVMeme prices that I see nowadays. 400-500 bucks for a decent sized monitor, good grief.

Jesus Christ, I can't stop running into cheap monitors. I just found a pvm-14L1 for $25. 600tvl but no rgb.

>>5094408
That's the worst feeling in the world. Pro monitor? Good price? Decent size? Oh, it only takes fucking composite and s-video, th-thanks.

Honestly for 25 bucks it's still worth it though.

>>5094416
Yeah $25 is still worth it I can't keep buying every monitor that I come across but I also don't want to let scalpers get a hold of them or let them get scrapped.

>>5094421
You could alwayys see if anyone on /vr/ who's nearby needs a halfway decent monitor. Something like that would still be good for stuff like unmodded N64/Gamecube via S-video, for example.

I'm still blown away that PVM scalping is even a thing. You'd think it's so niche that it wouldn't be a viable business venture.

>>5094430
Yeah, I don't get it either but I guess you only have to catch a couple of rubes to make it worth it. I can kind of see how someone would be tempted at taking a stab at it though, I can't seem to avoid them at this point.

>>5094450
I can't see it at all. Imagine the logistics of being a PVM scalper. Constantly searching high and low for these old things and then storing them in your house/storage taking up a fuckton of space, for the once-in-a-while time where someone actually pays your ridiculous ebay prices, and then having to deal with the nightmare of packing and shipping these things.

>>5094416
At 14" s-video is good enough. No, really. It is.
But if you've already got half a dozen similar sets then you should pass and let the next guy have it.

>>5094397
Try it with multiple systems and types of video cables. If it's still there over the composite input, or if you try another system then it is the CRT.

But I bet it is the cables. It sounds like signal ghosting. Strange to see it with low resolution.

>>5094479
Oh, I never imagined shipping the stuff. Yeah, that sounds horrible. I just imagined buying them up and storing them and having a running ad on Craigslist. Theres a guy here in LA that operates like that and I'm sure he just buys from old studios or rental houses.
>>5094482
Yeah I'm going to pass on it. It's 50 miles away so a bit to far, but my girlfriend goes to school out there so I might be able to get her to pick it up. Shit, it might even be being sold by the school. I see their ads up on surplus auctions all the time. I agree with you about 600tvl svideo being enough. I've had 500tvl and 750tvl monitors hooked up with svideo and thought they each looked great, with one of the monitors being 15".

>>5094071
Enough were made to keep me occupied for a while.

>>5094487
Yeah, I think it's the cable. The PVM can take component and I have a transcoder, so I hooked it up that way and then daisy chained it to my LCD monitor too. The ghosting is no longer present. Since both methods use the same console and SCART cable, that leaves the SCART-BNC adapter as the odd man out. I also tried it with my Saturn and got the same faint effect. With SNES I see banding but it's hard to tell if that's just inherent of the 2-chip SNES's shitty output.

It's a good quality cable though, or at least I thought. I got it from either retrogamingcables.co.uk or retro_console_accessories on ebay a few years back, I forget which of them. Any recommendations on where I should look for a better one? Or any easy way to fix the issue myself?

If not,it's honestly not that big of a deal. I've apparently gone this long without even noticing it, after all. I'm just glad I think I ruled out the PVM failing.

>>5094492
Ohio? Also what surplus sites are you browsing to find these things?

I have a good-sized PVM myself, but I'd like to get another one that's desk-sized that I could use right next to my PC setup. If I could find one local for reasonably-cheap, I'd go for it, but I can't justify ebay-tier prices+shipping just for a secondary monitor.

>>5094510
I'm in LA, but use govdeals and publicsurplus to browse around.

>>5094385
Literally 30 seconds on google

>>5094560
Yeah sorry, I tried Google but realize now I was looking for the info in the absolute wrongest way. Anyway, is there a good source for Sony style multi av connectors or am I stuck cannibalizing a good ps2 cable?

>>5094071
For a basic cab of joysticks and buttons I found:

Soul Calibur 2
Soul Calibur 3: Arcade Edition
Hard Dunk
Tekken 4
Xtom 3d
Asian Dynamite
BlazBlue Calamity Trigger
Cosmic Smash
Dengen Tenshi Taisen Janshi Shangri-la
Demolish Fist
Guilty Gear X and all following revisions
The Rumble Fish
The Rumble Fish 2
The King of Fighters XI
The King of Fighters Neowave
Capcom vs SNK
Capcom vs SNK 2
Marvel vs Capcom 2
Power Stone
Power Stone 2
Virtua Tennis
Virtua Tennis Smash
Plasma Sword
Project Justice
Raiden III
Raiden IV
KOF Sky Stage

before I got tired of looking for games. There are probably a lot more. If you add a gun to the set-up you double the game list.

>>5094683
I have never found a source for the connectors on their own.

Official PS3 S-Video cables are probably the cheapest source of good quality Multi-AVs, plus you get a couple of awesome metal RCAs into the bargain.

>>5094071
Not that guy, but is there a device out there that's meant to make 15.7kHz signals compatible with 31kHz monitors? It seems like it should be totally doable.

>>5094809
Any old line doubler should do that.

>>5093578
find the service manual for the model and post a link, you might be able to rgb mod it but I'm not doing the legwork of looking up the service manual.

>>5093597
I found a smaller one on the curb a couple weeks ago, seems to have a good picture and component. You can't change inputs without a remote, but luckily I had a universal that worked.

>>5093743
It's fixable but damn I think I would try to source the board and drop it in.

>>5094397
I think it's called phosphor decay and is perfectly normal unless it's very pronounced.

>>5094740
As someone who uses this exact set, I can say that these are the shit.

>>5094815
Know any good cheap ones?

>>5094846
I'm afraid not. I assume you need VGA? I'm looking for a solution myself. Best seems to be a retrotink2X or OSSC with a lagless DVI/HDMI->VGA converter.

>>5094815
Or just emulate

>>5094707
A dedicated 31khz racing cab would be a good project too.

Not single CRT for sale at the UK Public Surplus Auction yesterday. Rather depressing.

https://www.f******k.com/ukysurplusproperty/photos/

I'm glad they're finally putting the photos online instead making me drive an hour over to see what's there.

Years ago this place was a treasure trove.

>>5091324

Damn that’s super simple and comfy. I love it