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=== NEWS ===

[12-13] Spram's Metroid Doom
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/102880-sprams-metroid-doom-released/

[12-13] Eric releases 'Corruptor of Humanity', a multiplayer gamemode for Hideous Destructor
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=62875

[12-10] John Romero releases a new megawad, Sigil
https://www.romerogames.ie/sigil/

[12-10] Cacowards 2018
https://www.doomworld.com/cacowards/2018/

[12-10] Doomworld's 'Top 100 Memorable Maps' and 'Top 25 Missed Cacowards'
https://www.doomworld.com/25years/top-100-memorable-maps/
https://www.doomworld.com/25years/top-25-missed-cacowards/

[12-10] Ashes: Dead Man Walking, an expansion campaign for Ashes 2063, released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=62707

[12-10] PSXDOOM / PSXFINALDOOM / DOOM64 on GZDoom (Master Edition) released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/94139-release-psxdoom-psxfinaldoom-doom64-on-gzdoom-gec-master-edition-dec-10-2018/

[12-10] Half-Life documentary published by Noclip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQLEW1c-69c

[12-10] SM189, a Quake map pack using exclusively Doom textures, released
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61660

[12-10] Eviternity released to celebrate Doom's 25th birthday
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103425-release-eviternity-rc1/

[12-10] Doom's 25th anniversary

[12-09] Anon map for 100min /vr/: Nothing Amaze-ing (>>5209560) (link fixed)
https://u.lewd.se/eLE21t.7z

[12-09] Quake Xmas Jam 2018 released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrbH2ilr-Kg

[12-09] MetaDoom v5.2 update release
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=53010&sid=727bb59aa0f854949cc3abe8b4d8795f&start=1500#p1082806

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Back to Saturn X is amazing holy shit.

first for fucking doom xD

>>5218024
Yeah, it's pretty fucking good. You should play Episode 2 later, then join the rest of us impatiently tapping our feet and looking at our calendars.

How many of you guys play with Mouse Look turned on?

>>5218031
Me.

any good slagughtery levels to come out recently?
Im in the mood for something overpowered like Dakka or Guncaster

>>5218036
did you play sunlust yet, it gets crazy in the last 10 maps or so.

>>5218031
I do when playing mods.

Hey, been a while. Are there any zscript menu tutorials around anywhere?

>>5218036
Doom radio talked about slaughter maps in their last episode, they dropped a lot of names but all I can remember is Sunder, Sunlust, Swim With the Whales and Stardate.

>>5218031
I play with freelook and no auto-aim, because Half-Life opened my third eye many years ago, and it just feels better to manually place shots on my own, rather than relying on auto-aim. I usually use some kinds of mods too, so it's already unfaithful enough.

That said, I'll sometimes just play one of the old console ports, thus straight vanilla, just for the fun of it, because the base game is still invincible.

>>5218014
https://youtu.be/IMMT-XpyKxk
>The state of the doom modding community
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAJAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

APOLOGIZE TO TERRY /vr/

Reposting this cus the thread from before was dying when I posted this originally, but I made a simple sound mod:

https://www.mediafire.com/file/t1qk4rn1y9j0031/Doom_First_Sound_Mod.wad/file

>>5218071
when did "fuck nazis" go from patriotic american thing to commie LARPer slogan

>>5218071
>this won a cacoward

WTF carmack do not pet the gatodemon!!!

>>5218014
>>5218031
Guide for playing DOOM the objectively correct way:

>Vanilla Doom Gameplay (on official or most fanmade WADs)
AutoAim ON, Mouse Look OFF, Jumping OFF, Crouching OFF

>Using gameplay mods or playing a modern WAD that specifically wants you to have more movement options
AutoAIm OFF, Mouse Look ON, Jumping ON, Crouching ON

Sigil will put all Doom wads from the last 25 years into shame, granted. Well, except maybe Plutonia, the real.

>>5218092
I hate how hard it is not to sound like a pretentious cockmunch that listens to pop music and unironically thinking it's """deep""" when stating that you disagree heavily with antisemitism and nazis.

also that people think they're """back""" even tho they don't have any military power and that neo nazis were a thing for almost an entire century now

Also who signed up for the Slayer Club thing?

>>5218110
John Romero is going to fuck it all up like he’s done to every project he’s worked on for the last 20 years.

>>5217818
>electric boogaloo
are you actually retarded?

Thoughts on Final Doom?

>>5218071
someone explain me that image.

>>5218123
haha.

>>5218092
See, the extremely frustrating thing about this whole business is that if you say, speak against Poland being invaded and conquered by the Soviet Empire, Commies will call you a Nazi, and if you speak in favor of Poland not being attacked and invaded by Nazi Germany, Nazis will call you a Commie (and/or Jew). It really makes me want to do that one Wrestling style move of slamming both of their heads together, then bury both of them in the same landfill.

>>5218094
I don't think that makes enough of a difference to substantially take away from the mod. And it's only on Wolfenstein and Grosse. Personally I would have tried to do something more interesting with those textures, however.

>>5218123
Sarais still has his feelings hurt over an imaginary feud.

>>5218117
Pretty good overall.

>>5218117
the Casali brothers are good mappers

>>5218113
>>5218125
Its really getting out of hand, just look at the pewds drama of a few days ago, you cant even joke about this stuff without attracting all sorts of vermin

what we need is good mod like russian overkill but with FREEDOMS, traiblazer kinda fits the bill but I want to kill reds Red Alert 2 style

you know what Im talking about
>AHAHAHAHAHA YEAH BABY

>>5218071
>>5218092
>more shitposting from furry /pol/acks
where's the fucking janny

>play modern mapset, AKA the culmination of 25 years of mapmaking knowledge, the pinnacle of Doom design according to some people
>first map is a 'it's hard because there isn't enough ammo' affair
>eventually this somehow culminates into the last few maps being a BFG slaughterfest
>it's ok, though, because the maps are pretty

>>5218164
>>first map is a 'it's hard because there isn't enough ammo' affair
post examples.

>>5218148
Well, with B.J having Polish heritage, I've always figured one could make some sort of Wolfenstein 3D style game, that takes place a short time or so after WW2, where B.J goes on a rogue mission to kill Stalin in Russia.

Basically just reskin Wolf3D a little and give it some new levels.

>>5218178
yeah, I dont see BJ taking a break on the wolfenstein equivalent of the cold war era

>>5218195
Right? That's what I mean.
You could easily do some sequel stuff to the classic games, set in like the 50's and 60's, where you both fight Commie guerillas and hunt escaped Nazi war criminals and remnant forces.

You could have locales set in South America and Africa, etc.
I figure you could make something pretty decent with that SDL setup, with a couple of 10 level episodes.
You could also feature mixes of weapons available, WW2 surplus stuff was widely available after the war for many years, and there's some neat early Cold War weapons you could include.
Mostly for theming each episode and giving them some more flavor, they wouldn't really have to be that radically different.

>>5218014
i find this to be a decent "vanilla plus" modlist for my Final Doom run, thought I'd share

GZDoom, TNT

Mods: smoothdoom.pk3, doomsfx, healthwarning.pk3, sevhud.pk3, lights.pk3, brightmaps.pk3, targetspy.pk3, reactive_crosshair.pk3, pkuika_flashlight.pk3
Music: Roland SC-55 TNT pack

Fucking lot of cloudflaring today.

>>5218212
>healthwarning.pk3
What's that?

>>5218213
>What's that?
It's just a little thing Babel-anon threw together one day during one of these threads, just a short audio (or visual, or both) warning when you hit 25 HP. It's part of Babel already, but he was nice enough to also split it up so it can be used with anything else.

>>5218212
Thought I'd show how the reactive crosshair looks when not locking on a target

What is objectively the best fan made doom wad?

Ancient Aliens? Going Down? Hellbound? Scythe?

Something else entirely?

>>5218225
> objective
depends on who you ask
so ultimately subjective

>>5218225
nuts

>>5218225
Why would you ask objectivity for something 100% subjective? What a stupid post.

>>5218227
>>5218235
> what is a joke?

>>5218071

I knew that shit was coming, Mr Friendly is straight out of that Mastodon shithole, which says a lot by itself.

>>5218031
>Mouse Look turned on
No way

>>5218212
Mind sharing links? Search function on ZDoom is kinda shit.

What are your favorite mod combos? For me I like
Nash Gore and Smooth Doom together

>>5218268
Dakka 0.06 + Smooth Doom Monsters + Smooth Ketchup + a few edits I made here and there to each of those to make them work.

Gives a nice, fast as fuck but closeish to vanilla experience.

>>5218262
Sure buddy.
>Smooth Doom
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=45550
>Doom SFX
http://www.perkristian.net/game_doom-sfx.shtml
>SevHUD
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=60201
>TargetSpy
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=60784
>Roland SC-55 music packs
http://sc55.duke4.net/games.php#doom

Lights and Brightmaps come with GZDoom, just have to enable them. Health Warning, Reactive Crosshair and Pkuika Flashlight don't have any permanent download links that I know of, I just got them off this thread. But if you want I could upload them for you

the fact that the new doomguy is op makes me think hitscan enemies wouldn't be that bad

>>5218281
Thank you anon, I looked on the last threads for the mods and couldn't find them, I'd love if you could upload them but if you can find them in the archive that's fine too. Didn't the OP use to put mod releases from the thread on the news?

>>5216970
The thing about BD is that for a popular mod, it also has some examples of what not to do in a mod like its code and design choices, making it a shit mod but not many point this out when talking about why BD sucks.
At least on /vr/ that occasionally happens but outside it's why people think BD hate is just purists or jealous modders, since Doom modding itself can be like an iceberg: BD is the top that everyone sees but underwater is anything else.
>>5217804
Kevin Cloud is there too and he was probably even there since Wolf 3D.

>>5218294
Another take on Mark's modding history and the BD scene is that it gets stale, as if there's no other reference for inspiration that isn't more gore or realistic shooters.
With people like Terminus, Xaser and maybe also Kegan, Yholl and Kinsie, you can get the following
>People who's modding history involves a variety of many diverse works, both as main directors and just small contributions
>Some of those projects could be impressive enough to even cause milestone like Drpyspy breaking the Doom Bible curse
Mark did something interesting with BD but kept bloating it with out of place features, making spin offs of it and not working on his mapping potential enough.
It's what makes those other people define Doom modding better than Mark because they do more to make it interesting in the first place.

>>5218294
I'm ashamed to admit it, but I don't think I'd ever have gotten into Doom if it wasn't for BD. I never played it as a kid, and the first FPS I can remember playing was Medal of Honor Underground on the PS1 and Quake 3 on PC.

I don't think it ever even crossed my mind to try classic Doom until I saw some video on BD. I downloaded BD and the novelty wore off rather quickly, but it was a gateway drug into wanting to play the actual Doom 1 & 2. Next thing I know, I'm playing stuff from the Cacowards and neat gameplay mods from here.

So TL;DR, I think BD is genuinely useful if only because it's a gateway drug/excuse to trying Doom. I do realize I may be in the minority, and that not many people that play BD grow out of that phase, if you can call it that.

>>5218071
>t. Terry Army grunt

>>5218314
That's one of BD's positives, which is getting people into Doom, even if the series is still iconic and important.
It's probably something to do with Doom not getting a new game in ages and the state of the FPS genre in the 7th gen.
>>5218308
Also to add up: if there was a history book dedicated to Doom modding and wadding, someone's name that isn't that popular would still show up more than Mark's.

>>5218014
I hope older versions of Droplets work on the last couple of official versions of ZDoom.

>>5218092
thanks to dumblr and tweetr you can never know if "nazi" is a literal nazi, or just someone who said something those people didnt like on the internet ages ago

>>5218225
Bloodstain

>>5218314
>>5218294
>>5218321
Only thing good in BD is monsters getting hitboxes (albeit in a very inefficient way code-wise) and reacting differently to being shot with different weapons in different locations. This added visual feedback/gratification that is completely dependent on player actions really adds a lot to the game.
Everything else is unnecessary bloat, and there's way too much of it. IMO it was already feature-complete by v18 or 19.
Too bad BDLite throws away the only thing that was good in BD.

>>5218014
any videos of guys speedmapping in trenchbroom? demonstrating use of the brush tools

>>5218314
BD got a lot of people into Doom, and a lot of people back into Doom, I wouldn't feel bad about it, or about liking it.

Some people tend to blow it's continued existence out of proportion, to the point where it's kind of become a wider community thing to join in on that, and if you're don't, it's considered strange.

Makes reasonable discussion of it rare and usually short-lived.

>>5218289
>>5218281
>Health Warning (by Babelguy)
https://mega.nz/#!7sc1BSqY!9ZnQbg-92gDShKTjKk1Fp9GpMqqB84N9C0yUw8qf1vw
>Reactive Crosshair (by Babelguy, if I remember correctly)
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a9/f7/08/a9f708e201f1966ac26f256d48e8acb8.jpg
>Pkuika Flashlight
https://mega.nz/#!D1VXlCZJ!GdgaHZZn28V6q3yzfnN1omHeKLew2998ubw7HzKU6yY

>>5218092
Besides the current state of things, i feel like nobody knows what politics or anything politc related are, so they just see someone (a tumblr blogger, skeptic youtuber, /pol/ screenshot, a subreddit) use a word and they think they know what it means.
So, for them, politics is more "internet slapfights about us vs them and buzzwords" than actual politics, because the latter is a serious and depressing subject that nobody actually likes.

>>5218341
Fuck, I fucked up the reactive crosshair link. Sorry

https://mega.nz/#!qwVzDAaL!4xF4QF3N6YyEpfszBGSZw-D8qSH2UGCa_yxj3hfsxQY

at least it wasn't porn

>>5218328
Man BDLite could have been good, the idea behind it is solid but their execution of it sucks.

It comes off in a way where it's not really sure what it wants to be and just ends up being a halfway state where you're probably better off with running other mods with the dated BD Monsters mod.

>>5218071
huh, explain that image for me please?
I'm not sure i understand, i thought kate died or someshit?

>>5218364
>>5218071
OHHHHH i get it now
(she)

>>5218225
lunatic
don't know why i love it so much, i just do

>>5218364
>>5218375
We get it, you're still upset that Jimmy rejected your maps.

>>5218328
Bloodstain is the fucking shit. It really should have won a Cacoward.

>>5218395
huh?

https://www.doomworld.com/25years/top-25-missed-cacowards/page2/
Man, a lot of this stuff sounds good, definitely adding RYLAYEH.wad on my to-play list.

considering how new doom seems to be influenced by popular doom memes like doot, how long until they reach more obscure doom memes?

>>5218225
Zone 300

>>5218463
Never. Won't appeal to normies.

TIME FOR THE AGE OLD QUESTION
Whats your favorite mapset+gameplay mod combo?

Replaying AA+HND and Im having a grand old time

>>5218486
TNT:Revilution + either MetaDoom or Trailblazer + Colorfull Hell.

>>5218281
The Roland SC-55 music pack is all fubar, someone needs to cut the extra seconds that the files has to make a fluid transition.

>>5218486
i read the first sentence of your post and i immediately thought AA+HND before i could even see you said that
god tier taste anon

>>5218463
Chaingunner on mountains?

>>5218016
So I've been testing Spram's metroid mod, and here it is
>loved the maps and interaction, but the enemy reskins kills a lot, but the Spritework is kino Ridley is cyberdemon, but it would be better if he was more like Hexen Wyvern Boss
>The weapons and Powerups needs a lot of work, its no better than Term's Metroid Dreadnoght, but atleast you can use the chainsaw and SSG le zero suit mode.
>Samus Sprite is Shit...
>Map Textures are fine, but as replacement they need a lot of work, they also work with all renderings of GZD, software gives a 8-bit look
for some textures.

tl;dr its a good metroid doom mod, but since the creator disappeared i fear that this one is dead as Term's will to make a update to Dreadnought.

also the guy has a moddb page
>https://www.moddb.com/mods/sprams-metroid-doom

>>5218463

>>5218526
PSA, is unstable as fuck per gzd 3.6.0

>>5218110
And why the hell he didn't invite SANDY PETERSEN for a secret map at least? That guy was legendary.

do you play vanilla cacowards in their original form or do you use gameplay mods?

>>5218110
I just don't understand why it's for Doom 1. If he wants to make a vanilla megawad, fine, but in that case there's no reason not to take advantage of all the vanilla resources.

>>5218571
because it's supposed to be his take on Ep 5 and because it lets him then go "oh this did well, I'll do my Doom 2 wad now".

>>5218529
Fuck off Terrygoon

>>5218585
I will not be mad if he decides to go full Ion Maiden at some point

>>5218396
>those stairs
it's shit alright

fuck the cultists
worst enemies in blood

>>5218014

>>5218592
Impse would be actually funny though

>>5218529
metadoom referenced that

>>5218641
fuck

>>5218592
Fuck you, Impse was a community staple before those dipshits began using it.

>>5218543
Maybe he forgot, or maybe Sandy was busy with his pen and paper stuff.

>>5218570
If I play vanilla, it's really just gonna be the iwads, anything else I'll usually go for a mod with.

>>5218632
It's a bridge.

>>5218668
>impse
you mean impsence.wad

>Kirk confirmed that Quake2XP supports PBR shenanigans
i think this is close to a Quake 2 remaster that we will all get, unless func and tasty spleen team up to make a "Q2TWID"

>>5218014
>STILL WAITING FOR QUAKE REMASTERED

>>5218117
Evilution starts quite good, but starts to get progressivily more worse after the halfway. The final third feels like it was thrown together at the final day since they were running out of time.

Plutonia howerer is one of best wads ever made, from beginning to the end. It still looks good (for Doom wad) and plays absolutely great to this day. It's what makes the Final Doom worth it.

>>5218680
Kirk makes quake source ports during his freetime on the starship enterprise?

>>5218690
Star Trek technology probably makes that super fucking easy, I could see it.

>>5218148
>>5218178
>>5218204
I think it'd be fun to have a mod where you hunt down Commies.
The big problem would be gathering enemy sprites.

>>5218685
You have Quakespasm
and Dankplaces

>>5218696
I'm a commie and fuck you

>>5218702
Get the fuck out, communist.

>>5218693
> Computer, generate holodeck representation of 20th century Earth digital game, "Quake."
> How long until it will be ready?

> Approximately ninety seconds.

>>5218696
Didn't someone make some sprites looking like the soldiers from Goldeneye 64? Those could work.

>>5218702
Can we take some pictures of you?

>>5218707
Holodeck wasn't until next-gen though, so Kirk would have to settle for playing Quakespasm on a personal computer.

Which would still be pretty good.

A wolf mod where the nazis are replaced with commies would be pretty cool indeed.

>>5218486
A tie between Scythe 2 + Demonsteele, or Strange Aeons + High Noon Drifter.

On a side note, I hope Terminus manages to finish Demonsteele someday, I know there's that problem with his artist so its unlikely, but I really love that mod.

>>5218702
Gross.

>>5218696
>>5218702
>>5218705
>>5218708
>>5218717
/pol/ddit is leaking.

>>5218680
>the perfect quake 2 remaster would be the combination of the handmade hdstuff made by the community, the PSX+N64 Levels and Monsters, plus chillo's monster remodels as what he does to Quake1.
Please 2019 make this happen!

>>5218719
>SCCCREEEEEEEECCCCCCCCHHHHH

You don't need to be from /pol/ to hate radical political groups.

>>5218721
Only /pol/ hates commies.

>>5218721
Indeed, /pol/dditors count as one themselves.

Now kill yourself. No one is fooled.

>>5218707
on that note, how good is GZDoom VR experience?
Seen some interesting shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E3ImddX4D8

>>5218714
Yeah it would. Also add caricatures of gender studies, antifa members, pink pussy hat femmies, along with Ape-human hybrid mutants and its good to go as per non-boss enemies. Stages could range from UC Berkely, DNC meeting areas, dungeons, Capitol Hill to the Academy Awards HQ building. Optionally add Nashgore and off 'em.

Can we just talk about Doom and not gay political shit?

>>5218714
Just do a TC like I said here: >>5218178

Take the formula and set it in like a 10 map episode, or two, where the final boss is is Josef Stalin in a T-54/55 Tank, which you have to disable by throwing molotov cocktails at it, finally forcing him to flee it and face you.
He could be firing a pair of AK47s, or maybe hipfiring a DShK 12.7mm gun.
That'd be a pretty cool boss fight.

>>5218719
Why single my post out? I just think that Communists are as bad as Nazis, hence why I think they're equally acceptable targets in a Wolfenstein kind of setting.

>>5218734
Literally one of the first posts was /pol/ shit. These "people" deserve to be fucking exterminated. No remorse or mercy for them.

>>5218732
Oh, and bosses for such a TC could be: A Viceland reporter for E1, Zombie Hillary Clinton for E2, George Soros for E3 and A Tentacle Monster Woody Allen

>>5218732
>>5218743
No, all of that is cringey and would very heavily (and awkwardly) date it.
Just do a straight post-WW2 setting like I said.

>>5218738
Under commies my country was not such a shithole it is now. We actually had stuff.
Imagine having a lifetime "president" solling your own country piece by piece to the west, and suppressing all his opposition by force, while neither Europe nor USA do shit about it because he calls it "Capitalism" and "Democracy"
A monthly salary of 150$ is considered "very good" in these parts

>Jannies deleted my post
Mr. Friendly is a shitty mod, deal with it. I think the community owes the guys who made Terrywads a big apology. Who the fuck expects pacifism from a doom mod? Nobody

What are some good Douk mods?

>>5218091
...but what exactly is it? "Sound mod" is pretty broad

I FUCKING HATE ARCHVILES

>>5218031
Autoaim sucks. It either makes things too easy or too annoying, but never harder, so mouselook it is.
Besides I already played Doom without mouselook for like 6 years I seriously earned my wings already.

>>5218767
There's not many out there, I know there's a SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOUK infographic someone made, unfortunately I don't have it, maybe some anon here can be kind enough to post it.

>>5218789
I just downloaded it to see. It's pure unmitigated ear rape. I'm thankful I wasn't wearing headphones.

>>5218789
>>5218793
Check the imgur link in the OP

>>5218791

>minidoom 2 was originally going to have the mother demon

>>5218796
Oh well fuck me, there it is.

>>5218225
Scythe, Scythe 2, Back To Saturn X, UAC Ultra, Brotherhood Of Ruin, Epic. Maybe I'm just a scrub but stuff like Ancient Aliens and Going Down just gets too fucking hard for me to enjoy as much.

>>5218767
Last Reaction and Water Bases, particularly the Water Bases episode. It feels like an official episode.

I never thought i'd like a mod on this fucking site but thank you for removing the /v/ garbage

Are there any mods and maps with dream sequences?

>>5218818
shadows of the nightmare realm

>>5218818
Ancient Aliens?

>>5218804
>Ancient Aliens and Going Down just gets too fucking hard for me to enjoy as much.
we can be scrubs together then

Why is Ancient Aliens so comfy?

>>5218868
because you are the aliens, john

Romero is LIVE

>>5218924
but that can't be, I just killed him as a big burly dragon

>>5218868
Very nice visual designs.

I'm a complete dumb ass, anyone know how to properly run Rekkr with Chocolate doom?

https://www.twitch.tv/theromero
https://www.twitch.tv/theromero
https://www.twitch.tv/theromero

HES STREAMING, LADS.

The Romero streams have been so comfy

The music in Sigil doesn't fit doom at all what the FUCK

>>5218939
You need doom.wad to run it.
If you're using the command line then the command should be:

chocolate-doom -iwad doom.wad -file REKKR.wad -deh REKKER.deh

Assuming everything is within the chocolate-doom install folder.

>>5218949
Should have gone midi, this is just weird.

>>5218949
>>5218961
It sounds pretty nice though.

>>5218961
Anything that isn't midi sounds like shit in doom.

>>5218963
Yeah.

Well I got what I needed out of the stream.

>>5218971
i hate that i laughed at this

What's the worst enemy in vanilla Doom?

>>5218989
Worst as in hardest or worst as in genuinely bad and low effort?

>more than halfway through a map
>2/15 secrets found

>>5218989
do mandatory hurtfloors with no envirosuit nearby count

>>5218993
no but rows of crushers that go at different speeds and don't sync up for a safe route through

>>5218989
As much as I like fighting them, the Hell Knights or Barons are the worst for just being fatter imps. Everything else serves a unique purpose.

>>5218992
>early portion of the map has been barred off or is off limits

>>5218990
Hardest

>>5219001
>walk up to a item without picking it up yet
>six walls all move at the same time, loudly declaring the ambush upon your anus even before the monsters have spotted you

>the buckethead music isn't even written for the wad
lol

>>5219010
he's hyping the music way too much for something that wasn't written specifically for the game.

Don't think this should have happened.

>>5218960
Thanks

>>5219027
That reminds me.
Where are those god damned Quake monsters?

>>5219034
The Samsara monster addon?
https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=2424&sid=272bf18b8ab80428286ca0f17ae5316c
https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=2424&start=20
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/5194306/#5194962
I contacted the guy behind it and he either didn't have enough time or had some trouble during development,

Made a quick E1M1 for a map pack I'm making.
https://mega.nz/#!jBRAwAoQ!v4GSWAFHLC5XT7Ijcmtl0ucLI1NJfpavma3eCCLAUT8

>>5219028
No problem.

>>5218031
if i'm using a keyboard & mouse yeah since i'm so used to it in other shooters. also i use alot of mods.

i honestly don't get the whole KB+M vs controller debate in a game where there's no vertical aiming by default.

Made an E1M1 for a map pack I'm making. Requires DOOM.WAD, of course.
https://mega.nz/#!jBRAwAoQ!v4GSWAFHLC5XT7Ijcmtl0ucLI1NJfpavma3eCCLAUT8
Basically demons invaded your workplace as you work as a janitor. They tunneled in the walls in stuff and you've gotta get out.

>>5219028
No problem.

>>5218696
one could repurpose something like bratwurst with some edits and color swaps

>>5218989
If by worst, you mean hardest, then it is the lost soul, they never die from a single shotgun blast, they get in your way, they also cause the most involuntary suicides in the game.
>fact.png

>>5218992
the worst is when some of them are only activated once and you already passed the point that the door opens up or whatever

>>5218989
baron of hell. good for a boss fight, garbage for an enemy. they're ammo sponges that are way too fucking tanky. hell knight is a better replacement.

>>5219059
That's where you're wrong kiddo.
Please look at fig. 1.
On an analog stick you would have to travel across every previous number to get to the speed you want. If you want to rotate at speed 3, you would have to pass 1 and 2. With a mouse (fig. 2), you could change rotation speed at any time and set at precisely the correct speed. With a mouse, getting to speed 3 is instantanous.
Now let's look at stopping movement. Fig. 3 shows that, on an analogue stick you would have to space through every previous speed before reaching 0 speed. With a mouse (fig 4.) you can reach speed 0 by just not moving the mouse.
Only the mouse allows for instantaneous acceleration changes.

Are there any ports that can correctly play back Doom 2 Done Quick or does Chocolate still desync on Map23?

>>5219067
I may just be slow, but I can't seem to find a way to finish your map anon. What do you do after this hallway?

>>5219180
Check the elevators.

>>5219182
Ah. Heh
Cool map, my dude

>>5218281
>Lights and Brightmaps come with GZDoom, just have to enable them.
how do you enable them and what do they do?

>>5219223
There should be checkmark boxes on the startup GUI that are already selected. lights.pk3 enable dynamic lighting on things like projectiles, torches, candles, and lost souls. brightmaps.pk3 causes certain parts of textures and enemies.

>>5219236
*to light up

>>5219223
They're inside the folder that comes with GZDoom. So you just put them in your WAD load list and you're done (gzdoom.ini)

>>5219236
>>5219248
thanks.

How do I add something like sevhud to the GZDoom ini so that it autoloads every time without me having to drag it over the gzdoom.exe? Is it possible to do that?

>>5218031
how I play: software renderer + mouse look + autoaim

>>5219258
yes anon, should be under AutoLoad in GZDoom.ini. You will need to tell it what folders to look for WADs/PK3s at the start of the file though (where it says Path)

>>5219263
sweet, thanks m80

I'm not really 'getting' Final Doom. I think I've played about half the maps in TNT by now on UltraViolence, and I feel like I really haven't been enjoying it that much. It often feels like it's trying too hard to pull the rug from underneath you every chance it gets - but since it always does it, then you always expect it anyway, so the desired effect is kind of lost. It's just monster closet after monster closet with a good helping of chaingunners sprinkled in.

It's doable, and it's not incredibly hard (although it is challenging), but it's sort of lacking in just...being interesting to look at or play, at least for me. There's barely a handful of mildly interesting encounters I've come across so far. Am I in the minority for that one?

>>5219285
>It's just monster closet after monster closet
This gave me an awful idea of a monster closet inside of another monster closet.

>>5219287
New map idea:
>entire map is concentric circles separated by walls
>each walled circle has a switch on the outside to lower the wall...
>...but each circle is a monster closet
>you start on the outermost circle
>end point is in the innermost monster closet circle

>>5219294
I was thinking having a monster closet open up behind you with a bunch of chaingunners, then as you leave another door would open up from within that monster closet with an Archvile.

>>5219287
>monster closet inside of another monster closet
we need to go deeper

>>5219285
You can't say much about Final Doom until you try both megawads, but its not uncommon for people to dislike one of them.
Although, if you think TNT is tedious with its traps, I'm not sure how you will feel about Plutonia.

DUSK is good and I support more games like it being made, even if it isn't necessarily as good as the games it takes influence from.

>>5219326
Dusk isn't retro.

>>5219326
It'll be fun when mod tools are released. I don't expect it to get too big a following, since the game costs money. At least it's supposed to allow you to import Quake maps.

How would you go about testing a non pistol start in a level?

>>5218486
>Ultimate Doom + Special Weapons + the hud that's recommended with to play with SW + Use to Pick Up
Did this for a more ghetto version of Hideous Destructor to force me to slow down and not play like I'm playing without mods or something like BDlite. It was good practice as I slowly found my groove with HD.

>>5219356
What the heck is Special Weapons? I doubt it's the Rainbow Six weapons mod.

>>5218989
Pinkies desu. They're slow and only ever dangerous in large numbers. They can't even hurt you unless you're standing still.

>>5219386
I look it up and it is. fuck, the author adding in his own viewtilt shit means I can't use it with immerse with a damn

fuck these guys

>>5219335
It's not, but it's a retro-styled FPS and this is the retro FPS general, so I don't see why mentioning it in passing would merit a post being reported and deleted.

>>5218031
me
I want to go deeper

>>5218571
>Doom 1
because we are celebrating the 25 years of doom 1 not doom 2

>>5218117
I don't know because I can't finish doom 2 for the boredom that gives me and I refuse to continue playing other wads

>>5218281
Thanks for sharing anon, TargetSpy is really nice, ended up getting DamNums and All Clear Message from the recommends at the bottom of its thread too. I don't know why, but something is so satisfying to me about quantifying all the damage I'm dealing.

>>5219405
>smooth doom almonds edit
what is that?

>>5219405
-> >>5218212
sweet jesus

>>5218014
Is there a port of Alien World Order for eduke? I ain't giving Randy Bitchford any money after he blocked the release of DNF 2003's source code and as far as I can find any sort of talk about porting it is being removed.

revisiting that special weapons mod the anon mentioned before, I deleted the excess bloat of real aim, viewtilt and footsteps so that Immerse would run impeded
hoo boy I forgot that this mod cranked up the damage you receive, so getting spotted and exposed in a direct firefight is a death sentence. With some DarkDoomZ and Universal Enhanced AI though, I can throw enemy aim off and creep about a bit rather than die in seconds in any exposed battle.

>>5219447
I think it is this:
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1055961#p1055961

Really fucking proud of this new lighting.
https://mega.nz/#!6QJAyCpa!p_uHuqciRiZiUOP0-YJgGx_q4TR7UQMtCvhLt4fJAsY

>>5219459
There is, but without new monsters. Retards that run it can't reverse engineer them, but refuse to accept any "good enough" attempt.

https://forums.duke4.net/topic/8966-wip-world-tour-eduke32-compatibility-stopgap/

>>5219067
Pretty decent map, but you really need to work on your texture selection.

>>5218960
>REKKER.deh
So close.

What does /vr/ think of the otex texture pack

>>5219518
>texture selection
examples?

Is people pretending to care about demo compatibility the biggest meme in the Doom community? A very small percentage actually speedrun maps or even bother with demo recording. And as far as feedback goes, it's not like youtube videos are hard to make and upload for the creator to see somebody playing their map. Also, actually wanting to play in a port with blockmap and other shitty vanilla bugs.

>>5219405
replace ketchup with nashgore or nashgore + universal gibs

>>5219405
>>5219541
I meant to say, replace ketchup with bolognese

is there a grenade only mod that I can add to vanilla doom?

>>5219538
The very first room is a good example.

got a simple question
new to trenchbroom, info_player_start seems to be creating that teleporter ambience, any way to get rid of it?

>>5219460
Oh neat, I'll have to try to add in Universal and DarkDoom too.

>>5218463
>the virgin doot memes
>the chad AAAAAAHHH memes

>nashgore blood pools disappears the more you walk on them
sick

>>5219591
I'd really like to deactivate bolognese blood pools somehow

>>5219469
>>5219067
Another update
https://mega.nz/#!HYQ0nQBR!7w3rze2lvYdtVQCIBIgicxO0ZpW4CzxIeWrek2cpvtw

>>5219593
Remove the sprite, or replace it with a blank sprite.

>>5219540
you have no idea what a meme is

>>5219601
anon, that's a box texture on the floor

>>5219610
and?

>>5219618
better

>>5219618
I'd use different floor and ceiling textures for different height variations

If you want fancy, shiny graphics, is there any reason to use the Doomsday Engine at this point? Seems like GZDoom can pretty much do everything that Doomsday can. Any recommended Doomsday megawads other than Absolution? I'm thinking about downloading and playing Doomsday again for nostalgia.

What's the recommended load order for mods again?

Sounds -> HUD -> Gameplay -> Map?

Also, are there any conflicts between Ancient Aliens and HND, or are they just plug and play together?

>>5219685
doomsday technically has better built-in multiplayer, but as a source port it's a novelty of 3D model support that GZDoom long since surpassed in capability anyway. everyone develops for either vanilla, limit-busting for prboom/chocolate which works in everything else, gzdoom, or zandronum.

>>5219690
I'm pretty sure it goes in that order, at least the last three do. And AA is compatible with HND, it's how I beat it my first time through.

>>5219694
Neat. Also, what are the recommended settings for HND? Are the stock ones fine? Because after playing around with it a bit, it feels like I'm way too OP for the stock enemies

>>5219702
I honestly don't remember what settings I used, but looking through it again you could probably try having the pistol use ammo or even forced pistol starts if you still feel too overpowered. Or just upping the difficulty.

>>5219690
map
gameplay
compat patches
hud
sounds

>>5219702
stock is fine, especially when HND starts getting even more brutal
if you feel it's too much, though, -3 damage is pretty safe

>>5219720
>especially when HND starts getting even more brutal
when AA starts getting even more brutal, my apologies

Test
Fucking gookmoot can't keep the sit alive for 10 minutes nowadays.

>>5219690
Gameplay -> Map -> HUD -> Sounds

>>5219742
Do you load it top down? Like, in the command line, put gameay wads first when defining the -file parameters?

>>5218338
Biggest problem with Brutal Doom are the retards which spout out that some mods are shit, just because they aren't compatible with Brutal Doom. The same ones who think that Brutal Doom is "the only correct way to play Doom".

>>5219781
Funny thing is my experience with that sort of shit over the past year or so has been a dramatic shift away from BD fans doing that in favor of Hideous Destructor fans doing that.

The former having been polite, if anything, in asking about my stuff playing nice with BD, while the latter have been obnoxious and pushy, as if I'm committed to HD compatibility and not accommodating it is a personal insult to them.

What's the best way to do a first playthrough of Quake? Qbism? I've heard spasm adds too much shit to really be vanilla

>>5218716
>problem
I'm out of the loop. Care to elaborate?

>>5219887
Nobody is in the position or fancies doing him all the player sprite rotations he needs.

Also it's kind of old and janky, so he'd probably want to overhaul a lot of it if he ever went back to it, so it's probably best for him to just keep moving on from it.

>>5219902
There's also the Shihong problem where some folk find it exceptionally difficult, if not impossible, to do her specials. Like the timing is far too strict.

Anyone know a way to filter Doomseeker to not show certain megawads? Recently something called ''sonic blast'' has been taking up over half the goddamn screen because they just make tons of bot only or majority bot servers and its annoying

>>5218720
I want the PSX railspider.

>>5219965
I thought they were the exact same, never seemed to have any difficulty setting them off..

>>5219965
I always just hated mashing M1 in that. He did say he was gonna try to add auto-fire back when I played it with a server in him, when it was a relatively new thing, but I don't think he ever did.

>>5219965
>>5219989

It varies from person to person, which I've always found unbelievably frustrating and has not helped in trying to find why.
Eventually I just gave up. Sometimes it's more difficult to do them, other times it's the same--it's just the engine being the engine.

>>5220002

Yeah. I wanted to do it, and I still do--in that sort of longing have-since-moved-on-from-it-but-still-dream-about-it kind of way.
Ideally, if I was able to go back in time and have everything work, I would've liked to have an autofire like HND's, where tapping results in faster firing rater but autofire allows you to consistently put out attacks.
Honestly, Zandronum's gotten so much more advanced since then, a lot of stuff in DemonSteele just needs outright rewritten at this point.

>>5220021
Based

>>5219473
New monsters? You mean the not that interesting flamethrower enemy (who drops a not that good flamethrower), and then a palette swapped Cycloid Emperor who burst really short ranged jets of flame?

I can do without the flamer mook, and the new boss can probably very easily be replicated (and for that matter, upgraded, maybe give his flamers like five times the range or more), using whatever is the Duke equivalent of Decorate or ZScript.
I guess you have the Mini Overlords and Mini Cycloid Emperors, but those would be easy to fix just as well.

>>5220026
Few Duke mods already have Mini Overlords and Cycloid Emperors, so it's not impossible. Last Reaction & Waterbases, Chimera and Duke Tournament have them.

>>5218014
christ, the sigil thread on dw is fucking cancer.

Heavy reliance on monster closet ambushes, or teleporting demons behind the player, is a shitty bandaid for poor encounter designing capabilities.

>>5220060
In what way?

>>5220063
Depends entirely on the context. There is nothing inherently bad with spawning surprise monsters behind the player.

>>5220063
I disagree. Teleporting and monster closets can be used as a tool, to put monsters in places they can't normally be in.

We will assume a no mouselook stage.

Imagine an encounter - player walks into a large open area. In front of them, in the middle of the field, there is a set of columns. Behind the columns, along the front wall, there is a group of chaingunners on a ledge. Sure, so player simply needs to kill them to progress, using the columns as cover, right? Simplistic and basic.

But it's not, IF we add a monster closet! Suddenly, when player gets to the row of columns - a monster closet opens behind you, with like 10 imps on a high ledge, too high to aim at! So now, when you're in cover and behind columns - you are ALSO in the killzone of Imp fireballs!

Setting monsters physically BEHIND player is only possible via monster closets or teleportation (either of monsters, or of the player). Otherwise, player will notice the monsters, and might try to cheese the encounter, using the entry door to the room as cover.

Overall, monster closets are also useful for cheese (sniping) prevention, forcing player to approach the encounter in the most direct - the most fun - way.

How hard would it be for me to make a .wad from scratch if I've never touched doom mapping in my life? I have a very basic grasp the Hammer editor so I don't know if those skills would carry over.

>>5220103
> So now, when you're in cover and behind columns - you are ALSO in the killzone of Imp fireballs!
That's just annoying and not fun.

>>5220116
Doom Builder is technically pretty easy.

>>5220121
>I deserve to be in total control all the time, no surprises or challenges allowed

>>5219861
Doesn't the HD mod page explicitly say that certain maps are straight up impossible with the mod?

>>5220121
Eh, 10 is probably an overkill. But 5 or something should be fine, you DO get a sound cue when a fireball is near. The point is to get player to move, as it is with every combat encounter in every FPS ever made. If player is not moving, they are bored.

Actually on second thought, having imps be killable is a better idea, because it creates a meaningful choice - do you first kill the chaingunners who are more dangerous, or do you first kill imps to gain an entirely safe zone?

>>5220132
Yeah, that's stupid. Obviously a slaughtermap will never be compatible with HD. In fact most maps never will, HD requires a coherent map with continuous environment, minimal amount of lifts and teleportation, no monster closets, and small-scale encounters with plenty of cover and opportunities for sniping.
Operation Gambler is a great map for Hideous.

What exactly is the general consensus on Doom II? Do you guys like it or is it a big step down from the first game?

I've only played Episode 1 of Doom so my experience is pretty limited despite being a boomer. I think in terms of art and enemy designs Doom II is way ahead of 1.

>>5220145
It's an improvement gameplaywise but some of the maps (especially the later ones) seem like the product of an id that wasn't at their best as a company anymore.

Not Quake level issues but enough that some of them seem less fun than they could have been.

>>5220116
you're going to need slade and doom builder

you make maps in doom builder and in slade you do actual wad making. technically you don't really need slade since pk3/pk7 is a thing but you do need it anyway if you plan to add custom sprites for decorate things

>>5220145
>I've only played Episode 1
You're gonna be disappointed, E1 has the best levels in all of original duology.

I think D2 is overall a good game, but they tried too hard to find new ideas for levels, so they feel a bit 'gimmicky' - and not in a good way like Mario levels having a unifying mechanic. They feel overcomplicated like they tried to use every mechanic in the game. I definitely dislike that they have too little exploration, and have too much platforming. Sure, they don't have that much platforming, but any platforming in Doom is too much.

In addition... they're all ugly. They're all really ugly. I can't remember a single good looking level from Doom 2. So many of these levels have these large sprawling spaces, but then they use really boring textures. I think city levels like Downtown really exemplify

The only real advantage to D2 level is that level design is more straightforward, and they finally got rid of the ubiquitous mazes.

That is not to say that D2 levels aren't worth playing, Super Shotgun and new enemies really carry the experience even if the level design isn't as good. And like, even at its worst, Doom 2 still has good level design, it's just Doom 1 is at times brilliant.

Regardless of what you do, absolutely please do play Final Doom after Doom 2. TNT is pretty good, and Plutonia is amazing.

>>5220162
>I think city levels like Downtown really exemplify
Uh, I meant "I think city levels like Downtown really exemplify that."

>>5219570
the doot meme wasn't even originally about doom

>>5220162
Thanks for your reply, anon. You gave a nice perspective on it for me.

You say that Doom 2 is uglier, and you're probably right in terms of the levels themselves, don't doubt that. But I do think the enemy designs in Doom 2 are way better than in the first game. Also yeah the Super Shotgun is amazing, has to be the best weapon the duology. I have played some Doom 2, just not enough to have a feeling for it, that's why I asked. But I am familiar with the Super Shotgun.

>>5219610
But what if
the floor is
actually

made

of


boxes?
IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITIES

>>5219869
First playthrough of Quake?
WinQuake, duh. Or Aguirre's/BJP version of WinQuake if you want to do windowed mode.

>>5220170
Actually that's a neat idea for a room gimmick. A box maze, but you're standing on top of the boxes. You take a wrong step, and you fall in acid, so you have to careully platform between the boxes.

>>5220169
If you're looking for really top tier level design, play Heretic. Don't be fooled by the fantasy setting, it's almost 1:1 copy of Doom, all weapons are straight up copies of Doom weapons, and many monsters are almost identical to Doom monsters (e.g. Nitrogolems are straight up Pinky Demons, and Skeleton Warriors are Imps.)

>>5219405
>footsteps and immerse
kind of redundant, isn't it?

>>5220178
One of the Wrack maps has something like this.

>>5220181
I've actually always been curious to play Heretic and Hexen: Beyond the Heretic. How is the sequel?

Also what version of this should I look into? Are there proper source ports, like ZDoom?

>>5220185
well you do have two feet.

>>5220125
>>5220161
i'll check it out, thanks

>>5220193
Hexen is different, it's got some interesting level design and neat weapons but you have to build the ultimate weapon and if you don't pay attention or if you never get on the sort of thought track that the developers have, you'll end up getting lost with the backtracking to different areas.

Most of the complaints you hear are from people who never got beyond the first hub because of this.

>>5220193
GZDOOM is compatible with hexen and heretic, not hexen 2 though since it uses the quake engine (idtech 3 i believe)

Where do I find parts to build a Win98 PC?

>>5218685
We need quake 1 to get the doom 2016 treatment

>>5220271
I'd rather Heretic or Blood get that treatment.

Doom 2016 is basically already as it is sort of a Doom / Quake hybrid.

>Ancient Aliens
>UV
>Final Doomer+ as AAGuy
>Pistol start every map
>no quicksaves
Wish me luck

>>5220278
Fuck all chance of the Raven games getting anywhere.

>>5220303
Final Doomer is op, it'll be easy

>>5220252
Ebay, but they're getting pricer if you want something that would've been a high end gaming machine in 98. You can buy a late 90s early 00s Thinkpad or some such for a decent price.

>>5219869
super8

What is the best Megawad and why is it Ancient Aliens?

>tfw nothing to show off for screenshot saturday

Scripting is hard man, I'll try next week.

>>5220185
I don't even know why immerse have footsteps, it's a camera addon

>>5219608
thanks

>>5220303
AAGuy sucks. Just play BTSXGuy, He will fit fine on the AA mapset.

oh shit dude
it's doom

>>5220418
NO WAY

>>5220418
OH SHIT
HERE COMES DOOMGUY

>>5220418
>mfw doom

>>5220418
THERE HE IS

>>5220145
Better, bigger version of doom 1. Doom 2 has sold for over $100 million, it was second best selling CD-ROM game of 1994.

>>5219618
bathroom tile floor?

>>5220278
Heretic is pretty much out of question (although i bet that if it was hypothetically possible, it could be something pretty interesting. The core ideas of that game could be very fun and original even to this day). Blood is getting a remaster similar to Shadow Warrior Redux and imho, something that is already so perfect doesn't need to have a whole new game in my opinion, they would fuck it up in a way or another.

>>5220484
Didn't Blood get a 3D sequel?
was it ass?

>>5220484
>Blood is getting a remaster similar to Shadow Warrior Redux and imho, something that is already so perfect doesn't need to have a whole new game in my opinion, they would fuck it up in a way or another.
this
what most of these games need isn't a reboot or a sequel, but more accessibility and longivity.

>>5220485
I know that 4chan hates when someone says "we" like if they know it all, but for this time i will do an exception: we don't like talking about that. But to be fair, that sequel could've been a lot worse. If it wasn't so rushed maybe it would've been something appreciable

>>5218204
there should be an 80s version where you hunt down death squads and end with killing mecha-reagan

>>5220473
better except for half the levels being awful

>>5220484
>Blood reboot
or
>Blood sequel

Kinda leaning towards reboot because I hate how Blood 2 is in the modern world

>>5220507
>>5220484
I would fucking love to play a modern blood game. Give me that atmosphere and gameplay at 125 FPS and 16 maps, tons of horror references?

Put that shit in my veins!

>>5220485
blood 2 is a game I don't mind being rape bight nightdive if that fixes it somehow

>>5220513
What modern horror flicks do you think a new Blood would reference?

>>5220507
Plot-wise it can easily work, just like MediEvil II is good anyway but not on par of the predecessor. The problem is that although it had a lot of potential even regarding the gameplay, the thing soon becomes a broken mess. Weapons not being that satisfying is a major problem too... But frankly i agree with you, even the setting itself is an oversatured concept, even for back then.
>Blood reboot
or
>Blood sequel
for me it's neither. >>5220486 he was spot on.

>>5220520
Is this a trick question?

>>5220523
Sure, I'm all down for a remaster but what about afterwards?

>>5220526
well beyond the whole thing with DUSK and episode 3 slipping in a Stephan Weyte voice cameo as a slight spiritual successor mixup between Blood and Quake, quite honestly Atari couldn't even supply the source code for the Blood remaster. they wouldn't bother getting an actual development team on this series even if it sold well.

you might as well consider it a last hurrah for Blood

>>5220526
Honestly, i'm against the remaster too even if i myself brought it up in the first place. I'm against that simply because it uses the KEX engine and probably even the source code itself isn't the original. So what's the point? I will gladly play BloodGDX anytime. Not saying that it will be shit, far from it, but frankly it's a no-brainer that this remaster is way too late for the party. But if something like that, along with Steam achievements and badges is what the average user wants in order to play a game, then amen. I don't support this kind of useless things, but if that's a way to have it more accessible for newcomers and most importantly have more community support (mods etc.), then it's good as it is. For what you said at last, "what about afterwards"... Seriously, there's a need for an afterward? What do you want to see in a hypothetical Blood continuation? How would you structure it technically and story-wise? I still don't get why people want to reminisce something so beautiful in other forms, when the actual real thing is right down their noses. That's my feeble opinion, though.

>>5220547
>I'm against that simply because it uses the KEX engine and probably even the source code itself isn't the original.
Pretty sure it is using the original source, and only uses elements of the kex engine. If I'm wrong feel free to correct me.
No one is stopping you from firing up dosbox, though.

Watched the stream of Romero's new maps.

As much as I bounced back and forth in my joy of hearing the news, especially considering how much I love Romero's work, including the brilliant Tech Gone Bad and E1M4b, I wasn't that impressed with what I saw.

I mean, the level parts he showed didn't look that good. They didn't have a sense of place for example (unlike his previous two levels), and texturing felt questionable at times.

The areas showed in the trailer video were good though. I'm cautious now.

>>5220145
>>5220162
For me, it's kind of pic related. I never played either game as a kid, so I have no nostalgia when saying I prefer D1 far more. The demon variety is so much better and the Super Shotgun is great, but most of the levels just don't do it for me. Like other anon said, gimmicks. Many stages feel like they're built around certain gimmicks rather than built around being fun to play through. Levels follow their themes very loosely sometimes, so they don't flow into one another like D1's episodes, which actually felt continuous to me. And that goes back to the gimmicks, they're built around that more than following up where you left off in the last level.

And yes, ugly levels. City/urban levels really needed additional textures, even 5 would have helped immensely, if not more sectors too. To be fair, when you make a base on Phobos or a pit of hell, there are very few, generalized expectations on what those should look like. But everyone knows what a city looks like, and Doom II's urban areas just look like bricks, some wood decor that belongs in courthouses, mansions and libraries, and those ugly as sin, giant, pitch black "windows" or whatever they are. You could argue it's largely due to tech/tool limitations too, maybe so, but I just think they're disappointingly bland or unfitting.

Still, play it. It's official Doom, and even though I would say the levels aren't great, I can't call them terrible either. And agreeing with anon again, the new demons/Super Shotgun are what make D2 good. And user wads.

>>5220552
Don't misunderstand me, i don't have any problem with the KEX engine, is just laughable that some people thinks it'll be way better than GDX when both of these are technically very far from the dos version... Speaking of which, i would like to play it on dosbox a lot, but there are some obvious issues for playing it that way, especially with modern machines. Also, i bet this remaster will use the original source code from the ALPHA version, just like GDX does. iirc the original, entire thing has been lost. Glad if i will be proven wrong, though.

Sleep Ophelia...

>>5220174
Quakespasm

Playing some GS2. Let me know now to save me some sanity but there's no wall humping required for secrets right?

>>5219702
>>5219720
>>5219715
My gripe with HND is that even checking the Pistol Uses Ammo option, there are two hugely overpowered options in you arsenal:

>Roll
I know you can disable the hitbox shrinking, but I think the issue is that you can just spam it and there's no cooldown or stamina type resource you need to spend to use it. So there's no reason not to abuse it
>Alt-Fire Whip
Again, no cooldown, but also causes stunlock on enemies and does decent damage. I don't think I should be able to go up against a Revenant and just whip it to death in a couple seconds with the poor skellington not being able to fight back because the whip is stunlocking him

Possible solutions for that would be adding a cooldown to the whip, making the default whip damage lower, or eliminating/reducing its stunlock potential

>>5220618
I forget the roll is even a thing, since I don't usually make those kind of movements while playing any Doom. Is the alt fire some kind of energy projection or am I thinking of Golden Souls 2? I will agree that with a berserk pack the whip is a bit OP.

>>5220621
If you're asking how the whip is implemented, I have no idea about Doom modding so I couldn't tell you - if you're just asking what it is, then yeah it's just a melee attack with more range than your fists.

The thing is, I think it's OP even without Berserk, because like I said, with the normal whip you can:
>Stunlock a single enemy, preventing it from even moving or attacking, even if it's a big guy like a Revenant or Baron
>If he's alone, then nothing is stopping you from just spamming that whip until they're dead, because it uses no stamina and has no cooldown after repeated use (think of the Left 4 Dead cooldown after using the "Shove" move too manytimes in a row)

>>5220562
>>5220145
re: Doom 2's level design

if I had to pick any user wad to use as the "official" campaign for Doom 2, it'd probably be Hellbound. It nails that actual "hell on earth" aesthetic by having all the levels take place in actual Earth-looking locations, and on top of that it uses almost nothing but the stock Doom 2 textures.

>>5220634
Just checked the wiki since I hadn't heard about it

>Hellbound was uploaded to the idgames archive on 29 June, 2013. It was praised for its aesthetic quality, but criticised for its gameplay, which many found to be mostly uninteresting

What was 'uninteresting' about its gameplay?

>>5220640
I dunno since I thought the wad was pretty fun. probably because it's a bit more slower paced and the encounters aren't as sudden if that makes sense? compare it to something like Scythe 2 which just assaults you with enemies nonstop, Hellbound is more atmospheric and has quite a few moments where there's not a lot of enemies to be found. i liked it a lot though and appreciate the slower pace.

>pupper had a seizure yesterday, had to spend the night at the vet
>sick with what the doc makes out to be blood parasites
>her disease has affected her neurologically
>all of this just as I was getting close to finishing my map entry for the contest
please not like this.

>>5220621
The whip in HND is the altfire button for all weapons, and the energy shot you're thinking of is GS2's star whip when you have enough health.

Whips are cool.

https://youtu.be/wh261nfSn3E?t=42
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>5220484
And what the hell do we even need this remaster for? Blood GDX works just fine. I swear to God it's going to turn out to be some pre-packaged, unoptimized trash that ruins the refresh rate and defaults to software rendering.

>>5220665
I pray for your dogger, Anon. Been there before.

>>5218016
http://m210.duke4.net/
BloodGDX updated to 0.797, WitchavenGDX updated to 0.7

>>5220686
Yeah man, it's fucking crazy that as soon as this comes out all copies of bloodgdx are going to delete themselves and the administration of software upgrades footsoldiers will descend upon all owners of previous blood ports and force installation of this new abomination at gunpoint.

>>5220689
ey man, thanks a lot.
I'm still holding out hope for her somehow. what I would give to see her get better.

>>5220185
>>5220372
>>5219405
What are the recommended settings for Immerse to use with Smooth Doom? the default, or should I change something?

Also, >>5219405 if you wouldn't mind could you provide links for those mods? Would love to check them all out but I'm having trouble finding many of them

>>5220702
Of course I'm angry.

Nobody at Atari gave a single fuck about Blood or releasing the source code until some hero reverse-engineered it for GDX. Now all of a sudden they care, never mind the past two fucking decades of absolutely nothing.

>>5220665
That's horrible man, but fuck, do you really need to post that here? We all have issues in real life, we dont want to be confronted with more depressing news online too

>>5220731
It was my understanding that Blood was on the docket for Nightdive since before GDX was announced and released.
Some two or three years ago.

>>5220686
>>5220731
It's not Atari who makes that port, it's Kaiser, who works for NightDive. Apparently two companies have rights for Blood now and ND used it to get remaster done.

https://web.archive.org/web/20181213021902/https://www.polygon.com/2018/12/12/18138389/blood-reboot-rights-atari-warner-nightdive

>>5220686
Has GDX fixed the issue with the cutscenes not playing?

>>5220742
>two or three years ago
CM has been around since 2013, then got changed to GDX in 2015 iirc

>>5220750
It didn't get "changed" to GDX. He wrote GDX from scratch using his knowledge, because CM was a piece of shit.

>>5219690
>>5219694
>>5219720
>>5219742
>Everyone does it differently
Welp
Who do I listen to

>>5220485
yes.

>>5220145
Doom II has some very weird level design sometimes, but fuck it, i loved every second of it. A step down compared to the first one? I wouldn't say so, although some people here will think otherwise and sometimes with pretty legitimate complains. It's just that among the other things, its predecessor set the bar way too high.

>>5220665
good luck with your pup anon, i hope for the best for you two

>>5220758
some zdoom maps define their own playerclasses, usually for the sole purpose of changing the weapons you start with. loading those maps after a gameplay mod will overwrite the mod's player class definitions, locking you out of significant chunks of its content (up to and including the entire mod). so put maps before gameplay mods. compat patches go after both of those so they can actually make the maps and mods compatible.

there are some maps use an old method of defining playerclasses (KEYCONF), which will screw up player class definitions regardless of where in the load order they are. you need compat patches for those.

HUDs should go before any gameplay mod, because if a mod has its own HUD, it's usually to display stuff that's specific to it. sound and graphics mods can go before or after; it probably won't matter.

Half life is such a garbage game. Cant believe they made a documentary about that shitty game.
Literally the cod of its time.
Ruined fps forever.

DOOM just feels...weird, to play with mouse look on. Like I'm cheating, in a way. I know that's probably an autistic purist way of looking at things, but I can't shake the feeling. Like the maps largely weren't designed with verticality in mind, so being able to exploit it is a way of cheesing? Like if I wanted to play in a full3D environment I'd play Quake or later games, right?

Give me good arguments in favor of using mouse look in Doom, please. I'm not trying to be confrontational, just want to quell my autism.

>>5220794
I only use mlook if the map specifically says it was designed for it. Or if I'm just messing around with gameplay mods.

>>5220794
I know what you mean. I play with mouselook on, but I feel guilty every time I do that and kill something that I shouldn't have seen.

>>5220794
+ it just feels like Doom on its own focuses much more on player movement and maneuvers, while downplaying precise aiming, and when you enable mouse look then all of a sudden marksmanship is equally as important as the footwork - and I'm not sure if the gameplay is fit for that

>>5220794
as long as you aren't shooting switches above/below you and aren't chaingun sniping enemies from miles away, the actual effect of freelook is minimal to none, and it feels more consistent with every single FPS since doom

hell, when I use prboom, I turn on its camera-only freelook (where your pitch doesn't factor into your aim) just because it feels better that way

Question: is it possible to make it so that the Pkuika Flashlight mod always starts turned ON by default at the start of every map?

Minor nitpick, but it's a bit annoying to have to remember to turn the flashlight on at the beginning of every map.

>>5220145
I don't like. Everything that Doom 2 does Doom 1 does better. I think the only reason why people use Doom 2 over Doom 1 is the expanded bestiary and SSG.

>>5220790
Half life?
More like SHIT LIFE?
What a diarrhea load of crapfuck!

>>5220804
>Doom
>Shooting switches
???

>>5220475
It's supposed to be a toxic waste dump at the bottom of a science facility. Something that would allow for easy cleanup. Though smoothed concrete would look better.

>>5220786
thank you for the explanation anon

>>5218014
Any recommended sourceport for Quake 2 besides Yamagi? I feel like I want to revisit Q2

>>5220804
>camera-only freelook
Can that be done in GZDoom as well? That sounds like a really cool compromise

>>5220810
How did you get out of this room, anon?

>>5220816
just turn on freelook but keep autoaim enabled?

>>5220817
i genuinely don't remember that room

>>5220820
but that would almost certainly throw off the autoaim, no? If I'm looking right up and there's an enemy in front of me, the crosshair wouldn't be near enough to the enemy to lock onto him

>>5220821
that's map18

Half life is just as bad as halo and cod.

>>5220816
>>5220824
You turn off mouselook but keep the mouse enabled, then prevent it from moving you around.

i'm selling one of these if anyone's interested. auction ends today. /shameless plug

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Doom-Slayer-Marine-ThreeA-ThreeZero-Figure-Statue-2016-New-Sealed-Unopened/264078215790

>>5220842
not retro

>>5220696
Why u no post changelogs with your post?

>>5220832
how accurate is d64 on gec me compared to retribution and ex?

>>5220821
So you've never actually finished Doom 2?

>>5220854
>>5220826
I finished it a long time ago, I guess that's why I don't remember shooting switches

>>5220832
Using the settings in your screenshot, I still don't get the desired effect. I'd have to hold a button to mouselook, but then I'd have the same problem of the auto-aim being thrown off if I'm not aiming in the vicinity of an enemy while on the vertical axis

>>5220848
Because anyone can follow the link if they're interested enough to read the changes. And I assume anyone interested in playing the games would just download the updates regardless.

>>5219601
>>5219469
>>5219067
Alright. Last update.
Changed some floor textures, made the key room more "open." It's supposed to be in a ravine as like a rec yard.

>>5219601 (You)
>>5219469 (You)
>>5219067 (You)
Alright. Last update.
Changed some floor textures, made the key room more "open." It's supposed to be in a ravine as like a rec yard.
forgot link
https://mega.nz/#!qAImgCoA!Dv5eadUkccneqITv6Sd3nZf0hFgg4IVDl0chxoMbQKY