/vr/ - Retro Games

No Mortal Kombat or Mortal Kombat II.

>>5968376
Too many shumps, not enough gay elf.

>>5968376
Not enough Of other game genres and a shit controller

Too ahead of it's time. The West just wasn't ready.

Has anyone else seen these guy's videos?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYvGsQNE5XU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s_rWzq7eTU
Nearly died laughing at these two in particular, kinda gives me flashbacks to when I used to watch AVGN, but less skit-orientated and weirdly grandfather-like.

Marketing was weak. Nintendo had already established themselves, and Sega was already fairly well known.

>>5968376
literally what was all the extra space used for? The fucking thing is twice the width of the PC Engine. Is that all just empty space in the shell?

>>5968427
Yep, it's a thing in the US. Look at not just the inside of NES cartridges, but under the hood of any 90s Ford Mustang. You'll see about 6-8" of empty space between the engine and the radiator. BIGGER

>>5968385
I think Americans are tired of fighting games.

>>5968427
FCC regulations. Also, it’s my understanding that many of the NEC staff were former Atari employees. So KNOW how good they are at marketing.

>>5968376
Zoomlets dads parents bought them something else?

>>5968440
That was fairly common as far as vehicles go. I could almost fit both of my legs between the 350 and radiator in my Silverado. I think it was more them trying to figure out heat dissipation, dead air to displace the heat instead of blowing directly back on the engine. But longer hoods were part of the aesthetic as well, and we were still between thermal clutch and electric fans.

>>5968376
Was dumb making the US version so different. If they wanted to make it a bit edgier all they had to do was take the original Japanese PC Engine design and simply make it black and call it TurboGrafx-16.

>>5968415
Yeah he got a few chuckles out of me but not someone I'd regularly watch. I only seen a few of his TG16 videos because of the mini. Surprised to see someone post him desu.

>>5968467
Yeah I feel that, his content can be a little grating, but I feel like he'd be good company

>>5968451
Kinda, yeah. I was asking Santa for either one that year. (I knew Santa wasn’t real at that age and I realized the Genesis was more expensive) But I was pleased to get the SEGA on Christmas morning. A few years later I asked him why he didn’t get the Turbo Grafx. He worked in a big city at the time so he went to some electronics store to look at them and he felt the NEC looked cheap, so he bought the SEGA.

He was kinda right. Keith Courage or Bonk looked weak as hell side by side with Altered Beast or Revenge of Shinobi. You have to buy an add-on to play two player, another add-on to play stereo sound, and the controller wire is like 2 feet long. Looked like cheap crap to him, and probably a lot of other parents.

>>5968485
Sega is much better your dad did the right choice

>>5968489
I know. He has excellent taste in electronics. In the 80’s and 90’s it was wall to wall SONY and Panasonic at my house.

Just look at it. Those mawfs at NEC USA or whatever should have kept that color/accent scheme and used the original shell design. Anyway what really went wrong was the same thing that went wrong with every other hardware manufacturer's offerings at that time: they weren't selling NES/Famicoms.

>>5968443

>They're not tho

>>5968376
Poor marketing and they took way too fucking long to bring it to the west

>>5968376
The marketing was surprisingly bad, and their choice for the pack-in game to be Keith Courage was stupid. I think what's worse is that there are so many PC Engine games that we'll never get here until someone decides to translate them.

I'm thinking of buying a PC Engine Duo and an arcade card since that dickhead hasn't gotten off his fat ass to get more SSDS3 stock. All he's done for months is retweet people who got the Sega ODE cart and pat himself on the back for not monumentally fucking up its release.

>>5968485
>Santa
>Keith Courage or Bonk looked weak as hell side by side with Altered Beast or Revenge of Shinobi
There's a reason he makes a list and checks it twice

>>5968376
not really 16-bit
but really 2 8-bit
WOW!!!

>>5968440
>>5968459
It's because the alternative is having itty bitty rice man 'sectoid hands, and still having to lemove maniford to do absolutely anything.
Engine bays with working room are a good thing.

>bad marketing
>controller is basically the same as the NES controller, no improvements apart from a tubo toggle switch
>graphics aren't really that much more impressive over late stage NES games
>retarded ass pack-in
>one player only, when two players had been a standard feature in consoles for nearly a decade at this point out of the box
Just wasn't a good value proposition in the west. Maybe in Japan at the time from like 1987-1991 it made sense, but even by the time the Super Nintendo came out in Japan, it started to lose massive ground there as well.

>>5968716
It's actually 24-bit.

16-bit video chip + 8-bit CPU = 24 bits

>>5968376
i never even heard of it
the marketing was shit tier

i would have spammed advertising during Saturday morning cartoons and packed multiple games with the launch

also the American shell seems hideous compared to the original
i like emulation for this system (for now)
its nice bc i love pre-sega genesis style graphics and games so its like i still get something new for a bit

a turboduo seems like the best choice w/ an everdrive

>>5968376
Nintendo forbade publishers to put anything on it. If it's not anti-consumer then it's not Nintendo.

TTI was formed literally to punish an NEC executive to force him to move to America, that's why.

>>5968729
Came in to say something about TG-16 but then read the thread and totally this. I'd never want another packed-to-overflowing engine bay that "looks efficient" what a fucking pain in the ass

>>5968376
Just did not know about it at the time or knew anyone who had it at the time. Lot of fun games on it though

>>5968376
it was just a souped up 8 bit system

>>5968376
Nothing

Best chance would be releasing a year before genesis with r type as a pack in.

marketing maybe? I never even heard of the TG16 until the mid 2000s

>>5968376
Bonks Adventure was the shit but its really hard to sell a caveman baby as a system mascot

>>5970151
As opposed to a wop PLUMBER???

>>5968376
they should have just painted the PC Engine black, called it the TG-16 and otherwise kept it exactly the same size. There was no reason this thing should have cost as much as it did.

>>5968376
Actual answer

Mediocre marketing
A bit too early for the generation it was put in, while too late to dominate the one it started off in.
Controller/multi were very meh
Required add-on warts to be all it could be

It was pre-genesis hardware because of a year earlier launch in Japan. However in large markets like NA it launched at the same time as Genesis. In that era launching a year earlier meant a year worse hardware. The fact the SNES wasn't completely superior over the Genesis (2 year newer) and TG16(3 year newer) will always be a mystery. However the TG16 is noticeably weaker than the Genesis while the Genesis was barely weaker than the SNES (obviously weaker in some areas while others it kept up/was ahead). I can't name anything TG16 was ahead in (maybe color capabilities)

>>5968440
You want space to work on a car though. Even under my newer cars (2014 and 2018 German saloons) there is plastic covering everything, but under that is space to work. Even with the huge engines and tons of useless shit everywhere.

>>5970193
>The fact the SNES wasn't completely superior over the Genesis (2 year newer) and TG16(3 year newer) will always be a mystery.
It's because they went with a shitty underclocked 65816 for developer familiarity and an abortive attempt at backwards compatibility with the Famicom. If they'd gone with a 68k instead the SNES would have stomped all over the other two.

>>5970250
No backward compatibility was a missed opportunity on their part. The Super NES name would have made a lot more sense if it could play NES games to.

>>5968385
Yikes

>>5970256
are you high, son?

>>5968376
Unironically hucards

Tiny cartridges meant tiny roms. Most games were 4 megabits or less, not a lot of room for beefy graphics

>>5970193
Turbografx has the most on screen colors but can’t compete against snes with its tiny as fuck color palette

Turbografx ganes usually had 70-80 colors while snes could easily do 200

>>5968818
based.

>>5968807
>graphics aren't really that much more impressive over late stage NES games
https://youtu.be/m9GOa1dxLQ4
https://youtube.com/watch?v=J-7iC8z6q8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hToclCtLN1k
Yeah you're right this basically looks and sounds just like a late NES game. And the money saved on the base hardware compared to the SN*S and MD could've gone to getting the CD add-on which had fantastic support.

Nintendo had Mario, Sega had Alex Kidd and later Sonic, what did the Turbografx-16 have?

>>5971398
>Sega had Alex Kidd
I'd say their reputation for making high quality arcade games was more important than stupid mascots.

>>5971398
Bonk, obviously.

>>5968376
>Marketing
Entirely concentrated in major coastal cities (LA and NYC mostly) with the sprawling midwest having no idea it existed.
>Games
Almost none of the great Japanese games got brought over because they though Americans only wanted sports games.

>>5968462
I could totally see an edgy '90s marketing campaign claiming that Sega and Nintendo are "compensating for something."

>>5968858
lel, any sources?

>>5970635
The TG16 had the same color palette as the Genesis, but could display way more of it at the same time.

>>5968376
the games were shit, mostly. who the fuck wants to play 'keith courage' or 'china warrior'.

>>5970198
I have a Civic and it's PC Engine sized under the hood.

>>5970635
>source: my underage ass

>>5971510
http://www.video-game-ephemera.com/041.htm

>>5970152
Yup. Retard infant cave beast vs. someone you could actually identify with to some degree.

>>5968376
NEC lack Mascot (If Shantae was created during that year), poor timing and not push aggressive marketing.

>>5968462
Still look at it, a kiddy toy.

>>5968385
Fighting Street (Street Fighter One: The Good Edition) and SFII: Championship Edition (JP only)

>>5971689
Biased

>>5971416
He appeared too on the NES and Game Boy. What were they doing!?

>>5971408
>stupid mascots
Alex personalizes based off young Son Goku.

>>5973494
The Game Boy wasn't really a competitor, and the Famicom port didn't come out until 1993, by which point the PC Engine was losing steam anyway.

>>5968489
His dad lick Sega blue boot.

>>5973475
What a terrible mascot

>>5970981
>>5968807
Fun fact: Before NEC preparation console launches, H-Soft reasonable patches HuCard technology to Nintendo. However they rejected it. So they look at any main buyer to Panasonic, possibly Mattel, Sharp and Sony.

>>5973579
Her gender attract core both female demographic and Otaku gamer. Recognize IP can help boost sale.

>>5970981
>>graphics aren't really that much more impressive over late stage NES games
That statement really shows how misinformed and downright ignorant people are of the T16. It would be no more stupid to say Dreamcast graphics aren't really that much more impressive over late stage N64 games. However, it wouldn't be wrong to say the average T16 game isn't as ambitious in pushing the hardware as flagship SNES/Genesis titles, but the absolute hardware capabilities were not the issue (nor the CPU being 8-bit). Only tech illiterate bit-posters would classify the T16 with the 3rd gen consoles.

>>5968376
no retail support outside of toys r us & small import chains; the same issue that killed the saturn six years later

>>5973976
TGX-16 legacy follows suit in Wii U problems.

>>5970535
lmao This is not joke.

>>5970250
Apple Hardware > x86

>>5974231
What brain problems do you have that you can't distinguish between x86 and 68k?

>>5974238
Mistakes it on Sharp X68000. Got mix up.

>>5970193
All that demonstrates is that Nintendo wasn't absolutely locked to low clock speeds once they picked the architecture - they could have customized the CPU to get rid of the phi1/phi2 nonsense and doubled the clock, but they didn't. It does mean the PC Engine CPU was maybe twice as powerful?

>>5968607
>>5968485
Funnily, AB and Shinobi was released on NEC console

>>5968443
not back in the 90s they werent

>>5970152
the deigo plumber was already sold before his 1st game came out. remember donkey nog? nintendo was a presence in america since at least 1980

>>5970123
And people say the Genesis overdid it with addons

>>5975320
That's only one add-on.

>>5975346
Make two, other like MS BC and nomad trash

>>5975441
What language is this?

>>5968440
You've never even driven a car, much less worked on one

>>5975448
Mexician

>>5973475
Other timeline, How about many Shantae games being on PC Engine

>>5973976
RadioShack

>>5968376
American distributor wanted to rebuild it , it took too long so it never was successfull

>>5974238
R u too stupid asking why 65815 slow but underestimated full mighty Apple/Ricoh superbly powah

it was too hardcore

Dedicated content keep flowing since 2017 - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sarumaru/henshin-engine-the-game-pc-engine-tg-16-pc-steam

>>5972215
>>5973579
>Johnny "fat-so geek" Turbo
>SomecallmeJohnny doppelgängers

I say Shantae is way better upcoming TX-16/PCE mini classic mascot..

>>5973475
The should have had Rolfee games on the PCE.

>>5978915
The official mascot of the PC-FX console but released late in the life spin before 1998. I don’t know if that’ll works.

>interested in TG16/PCE
>check out ebay to see what's up
>~150 fucking dollars just for a core grafx

dafuq, I thought regular PCEs were supposed to be cheap and it was just the CDs/duos that were expensive. Thank god the wii exists.

>>5968376
>RF only stock
>Hucards are cool but retarded for large rom sizes
>no native hardware suppor for effects so devs won't bother with extra work to make shit like paralax

honestly just greener pastures with sega/nintendo in US all around

NEC didn't have a Kalinski or Nintendos clout, they just half assed it.

NECs general incompetence really showed when they shat out Supergfx and PCfx stillborn

>>5978915
>>5978960
Clear pictures of FMV quality. Shantae anime art is special.

While we're on the subject of the TG16, can anyone tell me wtf game this is? Found it at a used bookstore in Knoxville.

>>5979779
The name is clearly written there.
Surely you can read Katakana.

>>5979779
Writing out some of the katakana in a translator, it looks to be one of the Fire Pro Wrestling games.

>>5978970
i know the feeling
& still want a turbo duo


will definitely be getting a wii first

>>5979712
I really wish these games were linear platformers. I want to like them so much, but backtracking games are fucking boring.

>>5979779
Fire Pro Wrestling: Combination Tag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax_RRxKzya0

>>5979980
Thank you

>>5979779
>>5980062

>>5979931
Rotted Racing were points of annoying.

>>5978970
>See a listing for a core grafx untested
>$60+48 shipping.
>Call his bluff and offer $30
>He accepts.
>Test it and it doesn't work.
>Open it up and the fuse it just blown.
>Tfw I got a perfectly good core grafx for $80 with controller.
Japanese sellers of the pce are bluffing super hard. Just try lowballing them, they know it won't sell otherwise. Now terraonion needs to hurry the fuck up so I can get the ssds3 and play some games damnit.

>>5970160
PC Engine is stupid name.

>>5968415
his newer videos have a serious "midlife crisis" vibe
>>5968597
lot of hucard games are translated at this point, it's the CD side that's really lacking

>>5978970
>Thank god the wii exists.
m8 you can get these roms fucking anywhere, you don't need a pii for that.

>>5978970
Trust me it's worth it at that price

>>5968376
US didn't get SF2, Castlevania
CD was super expensive
Pack-in was the worst game ever

>>5983275
>rom
Poor bastard

Underrated lovely console. Especially with the CD addon

>>5983816
Can’t wait around 2020.

So fast

>>5968416
Another issue NEC themselves lack software party.

>>5968415
Bithead1000 is based

>>5986434
That was Hudson's role.

>>5973584
English motherfucker?

>>5973475
What the fuck does this have to do with anything?

>>5986670
Hudson tried to sell the PC-Engine chipset to Nintendo as a Famicom successor but were turned down.

>5 bomberman games on snes
>2 on it's own console

Why they do that?

>>5986670
Moron

>>5986672

>>5968376
I did not know about it is what went wrong with the fucking system

It's partly due to illegal anticompetitive measures Nintendo took to ensure most stores only sold Nintendo products. The other half is releasing late enough that it lost its graphics advantage to the Sega Genesis.

Wasn't it 'spensive af back then? I had an Express, which I know was costly as shit, but wasn't the plain 'ol console costly, too?

why did gooks love the turbografx but hate the mega drive? They both released around the same time and both filled the same niche in terms of being more powerful than the NES, having lots of arcade ports and arcade-style games like shmups, etc.

>>5986434
somewhat true. NEC had a large role in developing arcade ports by Capcom, Taito, and SEGA...even a few Falcom games later on

>>5986754
3 actually, and no clue really. Hudson's developers got a boner when the snes came out

>>5987042
simple. The pc engine had a lot more RPG's

pc engine also had the following franchises, regardless of quality, that were immensely popular and rather lacking or not present on genesis

>F1 Circus
>Momotaro Densetsu and Dentetsu
>Fire Pro Wrestling

>>5987042
>Gook
Korean have their ver. based on TG-16 design.

>>5987042
>the same time
PCE in 87 & MD late 88, ring a bell fool?

In Japan there was a niche and a time frame for the NEC. It was a cheap second console people could get in addition to their Famicom and Super Fami. It was released to compete with the Famicom, and it did well to do so. The Mega Drive didn't do that well in Japan, so the PCE could fill that role.

In America, the PCE was released 2 years later, so it's competing with the Mega Drive.

>>5987147
>>5973475
>desperate timing
Should release in AU (late 1987), than in EU\USA (88 earlier)

>>5978915
Best gal and wife.

>>5968376
People/Kid have biggest low-IQ.

>>5990064
>irony: the post

>>5968376
Something about the game library is off. It's really hard to find a TG16 game you can sink your teeth into.

Even as a kid, Neutopia looked and sounded great, but it was a bit of a chore to play - while Zelda went down like a dream.

Rondo of Blood is honestly the only TG game I've ever fallen in love with.

I think the games were put out more as rote exercises in competition than as good faith products.

>>5990956
>travel back in time for Shantae creation.
NEC: Johnny Turbo was mistake.

>>5991409

The shantae autist posting here is half amusing half terrifying.

>>5968376
The Sega Genesis got splatterhouse 2&3

>>5968376
>What went so right?

Ftfy. The PC Engine/Turbografx 16 had loads of great games across all genres. (Action, side scroller, arcade, shmups, puzzle, adventure, RPG...) Unless you're specifically referring to the Turbografx 16 in the USA, in which case it's true that a lot of great Japanese exclusive games on both the PC Engine and CD didn't make it to the states, but it would be a shame even then to ignore all of the great games that, sometimes surprisingly, did.

The turbo grafix 16 launched in America the same time as the Sega Genesis

Nintendo was king at the time

Also the turbo grafix marketed bonk and splatterhouse

Genesis marketed altered beast and moonwalker and had Joe Montana's name attached to a upcoming game

Genesis eventually got the other splatterhouse house games

>>5971398
Bonk
And Mario 3 came out a year after the tg16 release and had just as good graphics on a 8 bit system.

TurboGrafx had The Order of the Griffon, one of the best games ever made, and possibly the best D&D game ever made.

>>5992375
The fact that Sega have those two blew my mindset excuse and heart as loyal TG-16 fan. One day. Team of homebrew will port two horror games on NEC console.

>>5992310
Loveable terrific fan?

>>5968485
Santa is real, say otherwise is 100% the same as saying the rape of Nanjing is fake.
You're delusional, seek help.

>>5992310
What else would you expect from a fan of an half-genie?

>>5992294
>>5992329
Why won’t you stay dead??!!!

>>5992560
Splatterhouse was one of the very few successful Turbografx games in the United States. It was a no brainer for Namco to just develop the other two on the American genesis

Konami's game library was very region specific for both Genesis (licensed games, mascot platformers, hardcore action) and PC Engine (shooters, weeb games)

>>5994025
>weed
RPG/platform on PCE exists too.

>>5994293
That's what he meant.

>>5978045
It's an exact copy of schinbibinman/shubibinman I think the third one in the series specifically.

>>5978970
If you don't care about CD games and just want to play the HuCards, you can spend less than $200 for a PC Engine setup and a flashcart with the entire Japanese and North American card libraries.

>>5968597
Update to this post: I got impatient and decided not to give that piece of shit my money. Pulled the trigger on a Super CD Rom2 and Arcade Card Duo. Saved me about $100 that way.

I miss the brothers Duomazov website although I barely read them when they were around.

https://web.archive.org/web/20161101090023/http://www.thebrothersduomazov.com/2009/08/3x3-eyes.html
Thankfully it's MOSTLY archived

>>5968412
It has essentially a better NES controller. looks dated in comparison with snes and gen though.

>>5968385

Shame nobody managed to do anything with that leaked MK3 source code, knowing Boon he just modified the MK1 engine into MK2/MK3/UMK3 by tacking on shit.
so a PCE version of the 2D MKs is very much possible in the right hands.

>>5995047
TG-CD version of MK3?

>>5994397
Impatient pointless at that?

>>5968376
Marketing. Pretty much all Marketing. I finally got one and I love this system. Now I'm trying to get something that can play cd's with out breaking my wallet.

I already got a Duo-R and for some reason it's not reading discs correctly. I already got a NOS laser for it and if I place the laster all the way to the right and turn it on with an audio cd it will start up the CD player and start playing music. It sound's choppy though. Did I just get bad luck with a new Laser?

>>5968415
Based. And I love his Copy Strike Party Videos.

>>5968856
Nintendo didn't tell Hudson Shit.

>>5994348
Exactly copying of schinbibinman/shubibinman?

They released a 1987 console in 1989, and attempted to sell it with Bonk and other games that are essentially NES games but slightly better graphics.

>>5993864
Someone needs to put an end to Feka for good

>>5995362
Yeah I don't personally like their opinions, mostly use it for screenshots and random games recommendations.

>>5995754
This. It was a bit of an upgrade from the NES/Master System. But the Genesis was an actual 16-bit system that had more arcade ports right out of the gate.

>>5973584
>>5986682
>>5995754
>>5995973
TurboGrafx-16 serve next spiritual successor as NES next line.

>>5996053
>zoomer serve next spiritual successor as ESL next line.

>>5996218
See new toy

>>5996434
>Zoom zoom zoom

It's a nice system, but a combination of poor timing in the marketplace and simply not being an exciting enough product killed it. Honestly just shipping with a three or six button controller probably would've helped a bunch, make it seem less like a NES competitor. In the ideal world, get to market a little earlier too. Don't want to pull a Dreamcast and have everybody wait for the PS2 next year.

>>5996697
It seems like an NES competitor because that's what it was. The PCE was designed to compete with the Famicom and outsold it from pretty much day one. A couple years later, after we'd been playing CD games for about a year, someone stuffed it in a large black box for burger munchers.

>>5995754
I'd rather play games on a TG16 than the Genesis with it's awful sound that lazy programmers typically made.

I'm constantly surprised by how powerful this system is.

>>5997108
Find me a tg game with sound as good as this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg30uI4sLQw

>>5987042
It only had a niche with those arcade freaks who live to 1CC stupidly hard games. The SFC was the choice for nomries who just wanted their Dragon Quest and the PCE was for neckbeards with lots of licensed anime games.

>>5997267
Fook MD! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8X4PviEutAg

>>5994348
>fx unit yuki
It pay homage for the past.

>>5978045
Ah, Hated fact that this kickstarter got port over on Gaynesis and Dreamcrap. Where the HuCard ver. And PC-FX port? Felt so deep betrayer.

The turbo grafix 16 had decent marketing the first two years it was released it just didn't have enough of a library to sell the system at launch except for bonk and splatterhouse.

Also major retailers like Walmart Kmart and caldor's/target didn't carry much turbo grafix 16 stuff while they carried Nintendo and Sega stuff
Toys r us is the only retailer I can recall carrying the turbo grafix 16.

>>5995973
The same time the tg-16 was being marketed with bonk/splatterhouse

The genesis was using moonwalker,altered beast,Joe Montana's and shinobi as it's marketing

Hang out with michael jackson,monsters,Joe montana and ninjas or hang out with bald cavemen and corpses.

Also the genesis had Michael Jackson and Joe montana on the box art of the console the tg-16 did not.

>>5998251
RS or phone pre-order