/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6349640
Its feel is off, something about the timing, its palette is more kiddie, its bosses aren't as imaginative, and its music sucks. Rush and the slide are cool, though, and I appreciate the pot plant grow complete with "cats."

>>6349640
It's obviously unfinished. The game is plagued with slowdown and graphical bugs and the WIly levels feel really ameturish. By no means a bad game but I feel people overrate it a bit, I would say 2, 4, and 6 are definitely better and even 1 could be argued as better I feel.

It gave us Protoman though so it will always be good because of that.

Everything after the robot masters feels rushed. That being said though it's nowhere near the same level of rushed as MMX6 and it's still a really enjoyable game.

no hate here it’s a masterpiece

>>6349640
I don't hate it. In fact, I think it's better than 2 and 5.
4>6>3>1>5>2

>>6349648
>its music sucks
Aaaaand you lost me. Spark Man and Snake Man’s stage music is based.

>>6349640
It had the misfortune of following Mega Man 2.

>>6349889

its better than 2 in every way if judged objectively

>>6349920
LOL tell another.
The title screen and the dragon alone wipes the floor with 3.

>>6349648
Mega Man 3 has some of the best songs in the whole series what the fuck are you on about?

>>6349932
Sorry about your deafness.

It is far and away my favorite. The Docbot concept blew my 8 year old mind and it's a crime that they haven't been used since

>>6349935
Do you seriously think this is a bad song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpVIM8de2xw

>>6349945
Mixed feelings. Mediocre at best. The first few seconds are chalkboard with nails on them tier, then it gets sublime, then jumbled and stupid; it's not very catchy. 3 just doesn't do it for me

>>6349957
>mediocre at best
That's how I feel about 5

>>6349926

>i like dah dwagon.....

3 has better title music and the dragon boss fight is easy as shit lol. get some taste brainlet

>>6349654
> The game is plagued with slowdown and graphical bugs

Play this, gets rids of most if not all slowdows, fixes most glitches

http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/992/

it also has some questionnable changes and additions but they're all small ones

It’s my favorite of the classic series. Occasional slowdown in the megaman games never bugged me cause it gave me time to react to all the dense stuff on screen, and its cool to feel like youre moving in slowmo while exciting shit happens.

Love the slide, and really dislike the charge shot later games added so this is the only game where I get one but not the other. I also love the sense of scope this game has, I never got why people dislike the docrobots. I thought it was fucking cool and really felt like it was hitting a new scale. One the rest of the classic series never managed to match again.

I think a lot of people who hate it are just 2 babies who cant get gud without relying on metal blade all the time.

>>6350010
The docbots and their stages have bad game design and that's objective

>poor checkpoint placement that fucks with the checkpoint expectations that is otherwise correct in the rest of the series
>huge ass hitboxes for the extra fuck you trying to jump over them
>some of them have attacks that depending on how lucky you get, are literally unavoidable

I genuinely believe that if the game wasn't released in beta state, they would have made the docbots smaller, fixed the checkpoints, and fixed some of their attacks pattern, which for the most part, feel like programmers first attempts rather than being as tightly crafted as the real robot masters in the game and the previous games

>>6350006
also there are romhacks that can get rid of lag and fix glitches for MM4,5 and 6 as well

and if you're emulating there is another way to play without lag: all MM games play perfectly fine with emulator overclocking

>>6349889
This. I've only ever played 2 and 3, 3 being the one that made me lose interest in this series. Should I give it a second chance?

>>6350046
4, 9, 10 and 11 are all better than 2 and 3

>>6349876
spark man stage is easily top 5 mega man songs

>>6349926
You can't play a title screen

>>6349938
The Weapons Archive in Mega Man 10

>>6350046
You stopped before things really got good

>>6350046
2, 4 and 1 are peak. Some of the others are still good but skippable

>>6349640
I wasn't aware it was hated. It's better than 2, but I'm still a 4fag.

>>6349857
1 should be first and 6 should be second and 5 and 2 should switch places (even though they're both almost equally shit), but that is still some motherfucking good taste, brother.

>>6349648
Best music in the series numb nuts

>>6351465
>1 should be first
Why?

>>6349648
>its palette is more kiddie
The fuck retard? The only game in the original series that seems "more kiddie" is 8.

>>6349640
There's hate for this? Shadowman is fucking rad. Probably gits that can't beat the doc robot stages.

>>6349648
What in fuck are you even talking about.

>>6351593
Best music, best level design, great character designs, possibly the hardest of the retro games.

>>6352028
I disagree on the first two, agree on the last two.

>>6352070
We're still good, then. I also all the SNES games, plus that 8 is a bit underrated.

>>6352081
*also love (7 is a little lower or higher than 6, for me)

>>6352081
I also like 7, though I wish you could pick all stages, same with 8 and &Bass.

>>6352095
>I also like 7, though I wish you could pick all stages
1755-8187-6486-2322
You're welcome.

>>6352095
I take those as almost a sub-series, so the "four-only" format never bothered me. It makes the game feel longer and deeper, I think. I think I understand why many would prefer the old format, though.

>>6351517
lol no, that belongs to Mega Man 2.

>>6352325
>*sóylent belch*

>>6352339
Other way around. All the real old school gamers know that Mega Man ended with 2, a fitting end indeed. 2 is also harder than I remember. Could it be that the difficulty of 1 has been exaggerated?

>>6352346
>all the Real Old School Gamers™
I already pointed out that you chug sóy, though. 2 was an extreme low point in the series, by the way. It (mostly) ruined the great gameplay of 1.

MM2 dickriders are almost as bad as MM1 dickriders. MM2 has its moments but too much of it is garbage. I'll take 4 or 6 any day over 2. 3, even in its unfinished state, is hard to top.

>>6352348
Such cope. The rest are for babies except 9 and 10.

>>6352357
>the rest are for babies except for indieshit
Speaking of cope. Tell me some other games some fag corporate journos told you to like.

>>6352363
Not sure what answer you want but I once beat Ghosts n' Goblins NES while getting strapon fucked.

>>6352353
I used to think everyone hated MM1, so it's nice to see a lot of people lately who say it's the best-in-series. The MM2 dickriding cringe has been going on since the early 90s.

>>6352353

only decent opinion in this thread

>>6349640
Basically this entire fucking board anymore. Too much negativity. They're fucking video games. They're fun. You enjoy them. We like retro games for the most part cause the experience is tied to find memories of our childhood. Good fucking grief

>>6352353
Also, agree 100%.

>>6352374
Contrarian bullshittery; no one in their right might thinks Mega Man 4-infinity are better than 1 or 2.

>>6352374
>Contrarian bullshittery; no one in their right mind thinks Mega Man 4-infinity are better than 1 or 2.
3 is obviously unfinished too and they rushed the Wily Castle with recycled bosses from 2, partly because they knew that 2 is the superior game.

>>6352384
Calling someone "contrarian" is a sóy-induced disorder. Cry more.

>>6352393
It's what you are. I simply refuse to believe that anyone old enough likes 3 more than 2.

>>6352397
I like 1 more than 3, sóy. 2 is a shit game, and you must deal with that.

>>6352405
One day you might wake up and decide to stop lying, although unlikely.

>>6352408
2 has high points (eg, unique and cool weapons, pretty good graphics) but a lot of bad (bad music, bad level design, bad gameplay, worse Robot Master designs).

1 and 2 are so hard to enjoy with the slippery movement. It's just not fun.The nuts and bolts are there in those games, but they have too many drawbacks for me to think they're tops.

>>6352424
>2
>bad music
I think 3 is a better game but you're retarded.

>>6352448
Just because it's hard doesn't mean it's bad, git gud

>>6352449
Compared to the rest of the series, yes it is. 3 has great music.

>>6352448
The gameplay of all the NES entires is based around 1 entire design and gameplay. Get good.

>>6352452
Did I say I couldn't beat them? They're not exactly the hardest games out there, bub

I do think 3 is best, but it's got some things to criticize too. Some of the weapons are just useless outside of bosses. Don't even get me started on the laser. Wish it was more like 9, having weapons be really useful outside of shadow blade, hard knuckle and maybe magnets

>>6349857
Surprisingly good taste anon, but why is MM2 so low?

>>6352468
You just answered your own question, anon.

>>6352468
A better question would be, why rate it high at all? What does it do better than the others?

>>6352459
You sound like you have a grudge to it because it hurt you as a kid.

>>6352424
>bad music, bad level design, bad gameplay, worse Robot Master designs
THIS, but the opposite.

What stops me every time I think about playing 2 is item1/2/3. Such stupid bullshit when the later games got it right.

It has my favourite piece of music on the NES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d30OSJkt7Dc
god I fucking love Proto Man, my favourite character on the series, but why is he so easy to beat? I mean he is so hyped up as the rival to Mega Man and the only jumps and shoots, kinda anticlimatic, his boss fight is handed much better in MM7.

>>6352478
This. The Magnet Beam was so perfect and useful. How the fuck did Inafune screw up his co-developer's foundation so badly?

>>6352454
What a bizarre opinion.

>>6352472
The Items are well implemented and serve as a good precursor to Rush, we have eight RM for the first time, the levels are memorable and mostly well designed, one of the best difficulty curve in the series along with 4, not as unfair as 1 or 3 with the Doc Robots (which I love but yeah I have to admit they're a bit too much to handle) but not as easy as 5 or 6 ,the music is also god tier...

Worst things I can think about it are the boss of Wily Fortress 4 being bullshit and the weapons becoming redundant as soon as you have the Metal Blade, which you can ignore of course, but making you do that it's indeed a flaw.

But all in all I think it's one of the better MM games

>>6352505
>Quick Man
>good difficulty curve
Pick one

>>6352481
>he is so hyped up as the rival to Mega Man
>only jumps and shoots

>>6352509
Quick Man is designed to be the hardest one, that's why his portrait is the one that stands out the most, but it's not that big of a jump in difficulty compared to the rest of them, also it you're not good enough to do it by yourself, you can use the Flash Stopper, and it's cool that they actually stop the lasers, one of the best cases of using weapons to your own benefit in the games.

>>6352028
im gonna disagree on the character designs. i mean come on. they're mostly pretty fuckin average. like it's the first one so they had a lot of freedom and they didn't have to blow it out of the water or anything but let's be real.
cutman is just a weird guy with pacman scissors. gutsman is just a big met. iceman's just a guy in a parka. i don't even know what's going on with bomb man. elecman is decent at best. i really love fireman though, and the wily bosses are pretty cool too, especially the yellow devil.

>>6352509
>>6352529
You guys think Quick Man is hard?

Real talk on Mega Man 2 (even though I love it), if you lose your ammo in certain spots, you need to kill yourself to start over, which is dumb. And not being able to speed through the text is annoying, but it's also a good time to grab a snack I guess.

>>6352505
My problem with 2's levels is that they're a bit one-note. Everyone remembers the lasers in Quickman's or the blocks in Heatman's, but there's not much more to the stage other than those short sections. It's not bad but it ends up feeling barebones. Later games tend to make the stages feel more varied and fleshed out. Take Magnetman's stage for example, it has a section with disappearing blocks, but it's just part of the stage, not the entirety of it.

>>6352591
And to be fair, 3 has a couple of those too, although they're easily avoided

>>6349973
Difficulty isn't the only metric by which to measure quality. I generally prefer 3 over 2, and I think the dragon is fantastic. Same goes for the last fight with Wiley.

>>6350364
Snake man is top 5 too

>>6349957
>Shit taste confirmed

>>6352381
Seconded. I'm not one to just blithely accept anything shoved in my face, but jesus christ you fucking people, honestly.

>>6352529
The Flash Stopper stops the lasers?
That's really fucking cool. That's some Zelda 64 thinking shit

>>6352618
in 3 there is at least one spot where if you don't have rush ammo left, you can't even kill yourself and all you can do is reset the game

it's unlikely to happen, but it's possible.

>>6352591
The wall bomb boss in MM2 really should have small enemies that spawn once in a while.

Like for every 3 times the wall shoots at you, 1 time it'll spawn a small flying enemy instead.

And those enemies could potentially drop ammo when killed. But, they're also here to mess with your timing and jumps if you don't dispose of them.

That's how it should have been. You keep the "puzzle" aspect of it because if you want to do it asap without getting hit you'll want to go for the shortest route; but if you fuck up you have a potential way out, though a risky one that may take forever but still a possibility.

Kinda like how the soccer boss at the end of wily fortress 1 in MM8 has those crates that can spawn ammo so you can't get stuck; but while retaining the more "hardcore" 1990 design.

>>6353424
Honestly I remember running out of Rush Jet once and as I recall, running out of lives fixed it. Not sure what you mean by having to reset. Anyway, once you know about jumping while on Rush, you'll never run out

>>6353515
>>6353515
I've never run into this but a Mega Man wiki says it's possible to put the game in an unwinnable state.
>It is possible to get stuck in the second run-through of Gemini Man's stage. After fighting the first Doc Robot the gate leads to an area that is too low to allow Mega Man to jump without Rush (either in the form of Rush Jet or Rush Coil). Thus if one beats the Doc Robot without any weapon energy in either of these Rush attachments one will be stuck and forced to reset the game.

https://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Mega_Man_3

>>6353565
Weird. Seems like an easy thing for the designers to catch. I've always thought Rush coil shouldn't need ammo anyway. It's never been SO useful that I could break the game with it. It's why I like MM6's rush adaptor the most. Can't run out.

>>6349648
>palette is more kiddie
Really? Megaman 3 looked darker than megaman 2 to me.

3 is imbalanced and rushed, but the slide without charge shot is the most chad core mechanics of any Mega Man game. It also has great music.

>>6353565
>>6353606
Can confirm this, I've actually done this to myself on accident before.

>>6353606
>Seems like an easy thing for the designers to catch

It's not like the game tested. Or even finished.

Technically you can use the debug feature on the 2nd pad to go out of that spot without using r.coil though but that's not exactly intended either

>>6353661
Yup, used to press the d-pad on 2p with my toes to get the high jump as a kid

>>6353608
>Megaman 3 looked darker than megaman 2 to me
In general tone maybe, I mean I recall seeing some "junk" in that game; they attempted to be gritty, but the colors they used were doll house appropriate. The game was rushed. If they gave it more time it'd be as good, possibly better than 2.

>>6353340
You can also skip those wolves in Wood Man's stage and make it so spikes don't come out from those platforms in Air Man's stage.

>>6353803
>I mean I recall seeing some "junk" in that game; they attempted to be gritty, but the colors they used were doll house appropriate
It's a game meant for a general audience, stop being an edgelord.

>>6353991
no. all megaman games should have the same color palette as every late 2000s gears of war clone. if it's not exclusively brown and gray it's baby shit. megaman is for men.

>>6353987
Not sure if the former's a glitch but still an interesting implementation of the timestop weapon.

Hold the phone. People play Mega Mans for difficulty?

>>6354997
Obviously not? But it's still a factor to consider

>>6349640
No idea, for some reason I've seen more retards suck off the lump of cancer known as Mega Man 4 than I have seen people praise 3

>>6350032
Docbot sizes I’ll give you.

How do attack patterns differ from how they worked in 2 though?

>>6355007
What's wrong with 4?

>>6349648
>and I appreciate the pot plant grow complete with “cats”
Fucking what

>>6355532
Pot plants and grow lights, *tigers (cats) also the boss's name is "Top Man" (because you harvest the tops of the plants, the buds).
*Cats are famous for guarding grows against pests, as an all-natural alternative to pesticides.

>>6353424
>The wall bomb boss in MM2 really should have small enemies that spawn once in a while.
>Like for every 3 times the wall shoots at you, 1 time it'll spawn a small flying enemy instead.
Not a bad idea. Maybe someone can make a hack for it.
>But, they're also here to mess with your timing and jumps if you don't dispose of them
>You keep the "puzzle" aspect of it because if you want to do it asap without getting hit you'll want to go for the shortest route; but if you fuck up you have a potential way out, though a risky one that may take forever but still a possibility.

You've put enough thought into it that I hope you or someone else with the know-how can finally make a fix for what is obviously a mistake.
Another thing that's broken:
If you fuck up and run out of Bubble Lead at the final boss, you're fucked, even if you have extra lives and E-tanks; at that point you have to die to continue to get that one weapon's ammo back, when that boss's room really ought to have had a way to spawn some for you, even if it's tricky.
>>6353608
Yeah Mega Man 3 is nearly broken, and it makes Mega Man 2's issues look trivial in comparison.

>>6355810
>If you fuck up and run out of Bubble Lead at the final boss, you're fucked, even if you have extra lives and E-tanks; at that point you have to die to continue to get that one weapon's ammo back, when that boss's room really ought to have had a way to spawn some for you, even if it's tricky.

The possible ammo drops should be on the way to the boss imo, with at least one enemy in the corridor leading to the boss, like in MM4 before Wily; but I'm afraid it'd kinda destroy the atmosphere in that music-less corridor in MM2.

I've done hacks before btw, I'd be able to make that idea I mentionned for the boobeam trap. I'm just not sure I'd want to take the time or that a lone hack that only fixes one boss is worth the trouble.

>>6355879
>The possible ammo drops should be on the way to the boss imo, with at least one enemy in the corridor leading to the boss, like in MM4 before Wily; but I'm afraid it'd kinda destroy the atmosphere in that music-less corridor in MM2.
Goof thinking on not ruining the atmosphere, but maybe the blood could be shot and give off energy?
>I've done hacks before btw, I'd be able to make that idea I mentionned for the boobeam trap. I'm just not sure I'd want to take the time or that a lone hack that only fixes one boss is worth the trouble.
What if you added a sprite of Roll at the ending holding Rock's hand too?

I think I'm the only person in the universe who prefers playing as Mega Man in this game.
Bass is nice and all, but he just wants to make me play an X game instead.

>>6355782
top is pot spelled backwards

>>6358595
You're not alone. I'm fine with not getting a dash or a double jump, and on top of that I get to kill the bosses faster.

>>6358627
Oh yeah. So often the easiest explanation eludes us.

>>6349654
>It gave us Protoman though so it will always be good because of that.

Honestly I think I could have done without. I don't really dislike him or anything, but I was never a fan of the "Mysterious rival" type characters. I'll definitely take Blues over that Zero faggotry anyways.

>>6358863
Protoman started getting really good in 9 when you can finally play as him and they turned his shield into a great smart mechanic.

Honestly I love the shield, design wuse it's the same mentality of the slide: it's one move but it's a defensive AND offensive move at the same time.

>>6355782
>Cats are famous for guarding grows against pests, as an all-natural alternative to pesticides
Yeah felines are known for their ability to kill weevils and other small bugs.
You fucking retard