/vr/ - Retro Games

There's the original Tomba, but that game is extremely subjective. It's the kind of thing you either love or despise.

>>6585376
yoshi's soiland is fucking gay, OP

>>6585376
Klonoa sort of

>>6585376
No. Sorry Astal.

>>6585380
Tomba is an adventure game though

>>6585781
It’s actually a lite ARPG with collectathon elements

>>6585376
Yoshi's Island sucks. There are plenty of 2D platformers that are better than Yoshi's Island on both the SNES and Genesis such as Super Mario World, Sonic CD, Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles, Donkey Kong Country and so many other titles. As for any good platformers on Saturn or PlayStation, I'd go with Tomba and Gex.

I was pretty disappointed with Super Mario World 2 to be honest, it wasn't anything like the first one.

>>6585781
I'd really prefer if you'd be quiet.

>>6585376
I don't think it's good

>>6586254
> any sonic better than any mario
lol

>>6586254
You are insane

>>6585376
Clockwork Knight 2 and Super Tempo on Saturn.

Klonoa and Adventure of Lil' Ralph on Playstation.

>>6585376
What makes yoshis island good? It seemed pretty average from what I played. Gimmicky.

>there are people unironically arguing yoshi's island is a bad platformer
lmao

>>6586350
>From what I played
Beat it. Trust me.

>>6586374
Its literally one shizo making his daily threads to shows his permanent hateboner for Yoshi's Island
>>6586286

>>6586317
But yes you are correct

>>6585376
No, Yoshi's Island had Miyamoto and his team at their prime and they were deeply motivated to outdo DKC.

>>6586394
I did, when does it get good? When you reminisce about it 20 years later?

>>6586254

>>6586439
> Yoshi's Island received "instant" and "universal acclaim", according to an IGN retrospective[24] and video game review aggregator Metacritic, respectively.[18] At the time of its 1995 release, Matt Taylor of Diehard GameFan thought Yoshi's Island could be "possibly the best platform game of all time".[21] Nintendo Power too said that the game was "one of the biggest, most beautiful games ever made".[25] Next Generation was also most impressed by the game's "size and playability".[23] Diehard GameFan's three reviewers gave the game a near perfect score. To wit, Nicholas Dean Des Barres said it was "one of the handful of truly perfect games ever produced", and lamented that the magazine had given Donkey Kong Country, which he felt was a lackluster game in comparison, the extra single point for a perfect score.
> The game has sold over four million copies.

>>6586421
This 100%. Yoshi’s Island was lightning in a bottle like Abbey Road or the original Metropolis movie. It was a huge budget End of life passion project with some of the greatest game developers of all time working on it over an extended time frame. I get that people may not personally like it, but it’s a mechanically incredible platformer and is just really well polished. I can’t thing of any other games quite like that in other genres. Halo 3 maybe?

>>6586450
OK cool but if I wanted to read wikipedo I'd go there, I can describe why Sonic is a ton of fun but Yoshi's Island felt pretty bland.

>>6586254
>This game SUCKS because these other games that I like more exist

>>6586467
Why are you bringing Sonic, its totally not because you are Barry and you hate Nintendo with a passion and love Sega right

>>6586450
That’s cool and all but why design a game to literally scream at you whenever you get hit? I’m sure the devs were >gud enough to have it not be an issue, but play testers? Come on now.

>>6586324
>>6586328
>>6586448
>>6586470
t.Seething Offended Nintendrone

>>6586467
I agree. Sonic games are way more fun. Yoshi's Island feels like a chore.

literally babby game

>>6586504
fuck off Chris

>>6586504
>>6586454
I explained my reasoning in this post. Sonic never got that game. That situation just wasn’t possible with SOA or SOJ because they were too busy sabotaging and fighting each other. Obviously almost everyone on here loves all of the games you listed. They’re all amazing. Yoshis Island was a swan song with a massive blowout budget. Rumors are that it cost upwards of $50 million. Which is a huge budget in today’s money. Let alone back then. Nintendo gave a top team a blank check and almost unlimited development time.

>>6586481
No i'm not faking things to bait people

>>6586512
>Chris
Is that a Karen-type insult or something? LOL Pathetic.

>>6586526
The Sonic games are infinitely better. Super Mario World is better. Donkey Kong Country is better. Plenty of platformers out there is better than Yoshi's Island. I think the only reason Yoshi's Island ever gets any praise, is because eBay sellers are having a hard time selling it, so they need to boost it's popularity or Nintendo fanboys can't stomach the fact that this was the weakest entry in the Mario series. Despite being a chore to play through and being very bland.

>>6585376
Yoshi Island was never good and all the shitty Yoshi sequel games are a painful remind for later generations that the core concepts of Yoshi games are bad.

>>6586550
I get that you don’t like the game specifically but I don’t understand how someone couldn’t recognize it for the work of art it is. It’s like not liking Mullholland drive. Ok you may not like it and a lot of people, but you have to recognize it’s a nearly perfect movie and appreciate it as a work of art.

>>6586550
>Is that a Karen-type insult or something? LOL Pathetic.
He's calling you Chris-chan, the notorious "high-functioning" autistic Sanicfag.

>>6586481
what

>>6586568
There are plenty of games with great artwork. It doesn't affect my view of the game itself. For example, Mortal Kombat has great graphics, but it doesn't have the best gameplay mechanics.

>>6586585
Never heard of him.

>>6586624
No not just the artwork. The entire package. Music, gameplay mechanics, graphics, art direction, sound design and the polish. Then how good the game looks on the SNES. When I say appreciate it as a work of art I mean the game as a whole. If you don’t look at games as art I have a hard time seeing how someone could really be a retro game enthusiast.

>>6586624
Mechanics are just one element of what makes a game good though, the same way you can single out editing in film or prose in literature. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Like to me, what makes Sonic good isn't just the momentum-based physics and level design, but the visuals too, the music, how it all comes together. Same goes for Yoshi's Island.

>>6586638
>>6586645
I agree. But if the game bores me, I end up not liking the game. I think Shenmue has the same effect on people, even though I love Shenmue, I can see how some people might not like Shenmue because it requires patience, time and effort to complete the game. It can get boring to some people and that's understandable.

Yoshi's Island sucks, though.

Great another samefag schizo that obsessively hates another game.
How many this board has now?.

>>6586789
I suggest you learn how the post counter works you paranoid schizo.

>>6586818
You are not fooling anyone.

>>6586673
Yeah and I think that’s what everyone is saying to you. It’s one thing if you don’t like the game. But it’s a masterpiece in every measurable way really. And there’s so few games that are like that. Shenmue while loved by many has a lot of flaws. And I think even fans of the games can agree there. It feels a little silly saying this but I do put it on the same pedestal as other works of art like Psycho, Mulholland Drive, Metropolis books like Hitchikers Guide, Heart of Darkness etc. there’s not many things like that. But it’s easy to see them when there is

>>6586789
>another

>>6585376
>Are there any Saturn or PlayStation 2D platformers as good as Yoshi's Island?

Yes

>>6586952
>western-developed platformer
Into the trash it goes!

Was a sega kid but owned both. Always slept on Yoshis island 2. played the first world and always got bored of it. Last year I decided to give it a chance, and you know what, it is actually fucking great. Birth of the tutorials "hurrr good game design" bullshit that I feel like we are just starting to realize clutter up games HOWEVER still a great game. Before I used to think DKC was the best platformer on SNES but I do think Yoshi Island is greater in terms of vision and presentation (DKC is still top shelf, it's just different).

For those that are saying Yoshi Island is shit who have claimed to have beat it (on a real SNES/SFC) you have shit poor tastes in gaming lol.

SONIC doesn't hold a candle to Yoshi Island 2. The first 4 levels of Sonic 2 are great but they are no where near as fullfilling and good as Yoshi's island 2. I'm not even a Nintendrone either.

>>6586980
Shinobi 3 is up there I do think however, but is more arcade-ish. In terms of soul maybe COMIC ZONE? But then again thats a shitty beat em up. Yoshi Island 2 has barely any comparisons from Sega I'm sorry to say. What Vectorman? hahaha

On PS2 I'd say MegaMan X4 is pretty good maybe Metal Slug. Obviously SOTN. Crash 2 (2.5D)

It's not that they weren't capible they were just out of style during that period. It was all about 3D Graphics TM.

>>6586980
Liar.

>>6586550
This level of delusion is actually impressive

>>6587376
You're the only one delusional here.

>>6585781
It’s a 2D walking simulator with jump mechanics

>>6585376
Punky Skunk is best 2d scot

>>6587483
I hope you get professionally raped.

>>6586638
>Music, gameplay mechanics, graphics, art direction, sound design and the polish.
I think it's the technical aspects that really push it into being the best game on the console. Fuzzy is a good example of that. The enemy only appears in two levels of the entire game, but the sheer amount of technical wizardry that went into making the dizzy effect work is fascinating. The developers had to use some of the SNES' lesser-used modes in really unconventional ways for extremely minor visual effects.

>>6586492
If you hate failing then stop failing. The baby sound is good at making you scramble as fast as you can to get him.

>>6587483
>scot
Fucking australia kun is in every single thread that Nintendo gets mentioned lol

>>6586550
its a good game cunt, aswell as the other games you listed. honestly kys

based Chadshi's Island making that one anon seethe in every thread.
It's widely considered a masterpiece, and will continue to be through history. Your unpopular opinion will die with you lmao

>>6585395
That game is mucb harder than yoshi's island

>>6588656
Is it? I remember it being super short and easy. Should play it again some time.

>>6585376
Yes. Shinrei Jusatsushi Taromaru


**心霊呪殺師太郎丸 / Shinrei Jusatsushi Taromaru - Saturn All Clear (Taromaru-Max points/Lives/Energies)**
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN6ocjQlnLM

>>6588679
Based. Wouldn't really call it better than Yoshi's Island (or any other great 4th gen platformer), but Taromaru is pretty damn good and among the best of 5th gen, despite its meme high price status.

>>6588604
>Getting triggered over an opinion you don't like
KYS

Going to pile on with those who don’t like Yoshi’s Island. I had no desire to finish it when it was new. I’ve attempted to replay it repeatedly since then, but stopped rather early on each time.

I have concluded the issue is that the levels have an extreme amount of verticality for a sidescroller. Mixed in with that are a bunch of claustrophobic “indoor” segments, whether they’re cave levels or walled areas within a level. These elements make YI a slog compared to any other Mario game.

>>6589452
I don't remember "extreme" amounts, but verticality has been a thing in Mario games since SMB3 (or SMB2/ddp if you want to count it).
As for "claustrophobic" indoor segments... underground levels with lots of walls were a thing since SMB1.

>>6588679
That looks more to me like a beat em up with a couple of platforming segments.

>>6585376
What's up with Yoshi's Island and Yoshi's Story? These games seem so different.

>>6586254
This is the wrong opinion.

>>6589726
Story is such a weird ass game.
On one hand it has many elements similar to Island, but on the other, it's like a completely different kind of game.
While YI is more of a traditional 2D platformer, with the added egg throw mechanic, Story went the extra mile and incorporated more nuances to the movement, Yoshi can move very slowly, but also run really fast, or somewhere in between, and you're in full control of that. Also 360 degrees of movement for his tongue action and the egg throw, both also being more in depth with many different possible control options.
It's a game with a lot of work put into its controls, but the level design and the overall game design is really weird, to the point that it rightfully turned off many people who played it casually, since story mode only lets you play 6 levels, and since you can finish them by eating any fruit, most people got a really short and underwhelming experience with it.
The real meat of the game is playing for score on trial mode, after unlocking all 24 levels, which for many people would be a chore and I'd understand that. I learned to appreciate it but it's a really strange game.
Japan loves it though, which is why it gets so much rep in the Smash series.

>>6586454
>Can't think of fucking Chrono Trigger

>>6590465
>Anything I disagree with is wrong think
t.Seething Nintendo fanboy

>>6590492
Is YI fun? Iplayed the n64 one and couldnt finish. It was irritating and i got bored

>>6586550
>Despite being a chore to play through
How shit are you?

>>6586974
Keep coping weebcuck.

What IS good about Yoshi's Island? It's not the movement, it's kinda janky and the hovering never quite feels like a mechanic you can master, almost like it's doing its own thing. Egg throwing is awkward and it being reliant on an automatically moving cursor is unnecessary and would have been better off with more control. Baby Mario is a contrived health bar and his cry is widely considered to be one of the worst and most annoying things ever put into a game. The levels are passable but never anything special.

What's good about it exactly? Seems like a passable platformer at best.

>>6591391
It's not me who's shit. The game is shit. I had more fun with Super Mario World than Yoshi's Island. What were they thinking turning Mario into a baby and having him ride Yoshi this whole time? The whole point of a Mario game is to play Mario as an adult, gaining power ups and having freedom to do whatever. Yoshi's Island is a glorified babysitting simulator.

>>6591435
>hovering never quite feels like a mechanic you can master
There are a thousand tranny autists in the speedrunning community can objectively prove this one false.

>>6591454
The average player & myself will likely never spend more than 10 hours playing this game in our lives. I don't see a point of comparison against people who will spend 1000 hours playing it.

Give up autist, Yoshi Island is objectively good.

>>6591457
>myself will likely never spend more than 10 hours playing this game
Oh, there's your problem. Try collecting the red coins. The levels are built assuming you're trying to collect them and they're pretty uneventful to run through otherwise.

>>6591471
Already did

>>6591472
Yes, I'm sure you managed to 100% the game in under 10 hours on your first playthrough of a game you didn't like and aren't just being argumentative.

>>6591478
So are the red coins the secret to the game being good? Seemed like pretty typical platforming challenges.

>>6591494
Maybe not "the secret", but I bought the game recently after not having it as a kid. My plan was to play through normally, then go back and get the red coins later. I found myself extremely bored running through the levels until I figured "what the hell, I'll go back to the first world and get the coins to see what the secret stuff's all about" and realized how much more interesting the levels were when you needed to actually explore them and take alternate routes, while being forced to keep your health up. Otherwise, you can just blitz past the level without giving a shit about how getting hit.

I'm sure there are people who don't like the exploration elements through, but the game's mechanics were kind of built around them.

All of them because Yoshi's Island is trash.

>>6591435
For me, it's the underground theme.
https://youtu.be/pFlcDSskmns

>>6591567
I could understand not being a fan of it, but trash? You come off as a falseflagging retard who wants to see people defending Yoshi's Island, which doesn't need defending.

>>6591567
>Yoshi's Island is trash.
So much truth in that statement. Well said, sir.

>>6592772
nice try nintendrone, I can see through your falseflag.

>>6592774
>Nintendrone
I'm not one and this isn't a false flag, Yoshi's Island really does suck.

>>6592797
Yes you are. This is a fine game, some people might not like certain things about it but it's undeniable that it's a quality game.
Stop giving nintendrones reasons to call out people who do baseless criticism on their games, if you want to actually partake in anti-nintendo criticism, then do it right, don't be an idiot "lol this acclaimed game everybody loves is trash!" low IQ posting, but of course, you're actually falseflagging, because you're an actual nintendrone who wants to make anti-nintendo people retarded.

>>6585395
No

>>6592807
>Yes you are.
Nintendrones defend this crappy game. I don't. So the only false-flagging Nintendrone here is you. LOL

>>6592847
Stop being an idiot, I hate Nintendo too, but saying "popular game bad" won't take our agenda anywhere. Start pitching for Nintendo's weakness, not their strengths.
Basic tactics, brainlet.

>>6588656
t. didn't play any of yoshi's island's extra stages

>>6592856
I don't hate Nintendo. I hate Yoshi's Island because it's a bland game. You can't seem to take negative criticism of this game(which is what brainlets are known for) and you're pretending to hate Nintendo. Your lies don't work on me.

>>6592797
>>6592847
>>6593014
>suck
>crappy
>bland
DAMN.
Solid arguments right there. I'm somehow convinced, I don't like Yoshi's Island anymore!

Not that guy but yoshis island is gay and cringe. You're a gay dinosaur scorting a baby lol

>>6594552
Solid arguments right there. I just stopped liking Yoshi's Island.

>>6585376
Overall I'd say there wasn't. Yoshi's Island was a big budget title while on ps1 and saturn 2d games were given low budgets. Abes Odysee/exodus, Rayman and Megaman 8 were comparable.