/vr/ - Retro Games

>not liking SCV4

Imagine liking Shitlines.

>>7166919
t. person who believed the "whip makes the game too easy" meme and got filtered hard.

Thief and Doom

>>7166919
Based. Even Dracula X is better than sc4.

>>7166919
CV4 > the rest

Error
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Threadly reminder that Joe reditter simped for erin matei and got butthurt when mike rejected his pitched avgn episode script but he just ate it when mike replied in a "lmao I dont care faggot" matei fashion and then joe lashed out against fucking tony (KEK)
Also reminder joe has yet to fire back at mike after mike humiliated joe and exposed him as a cheater on a j&mm episode

Super CV4 used to be Super Metroid levels of lauded until a bunch of mouthbreathers with confirmation bias played it for the first time after watching the Egoraptor video.

>>7167276
>Implying SCV4 isn't an overrated piece of shit

the fact that this game lives rent free in certain shitposters' heads only makes its classic status stand out even more.

>>7166919
>overrated games general
Pic related

>>7166919
inb4 Earthbound
inb4 Super Mario Bros 3
inb4 Super Mario World
inb4 A Link to the Past

>>7167509
/thread

>>7166919
It's the only good CV.

>>7167471
Amazing how a professional looking video can tell people what they should think.
It sounds great until you actually play it and realize that CV3 is full of pit and spike hazards just like every other CV game and the whip does help you against them, triple cross is incredibly useful throughout the game and you always want it against bosses, and enemy design is often made with the whip in mind (the way the ghosts circle around you).
In short, the video seems logical to people who can't be bothered to actually play the video games they are watching shit about.

>>7167970
Meant 4 there, obviously, though 3 is certainly full of the same.

>>7167970
egoraptor never intended to shit on castlevania 4 to begin with, on his game grumps playthrough he said it's a great game, his main concert is that some of his ideas for the new whip weren't implemented in the game.... but they actually were, he just never got to see them (mostly stuff on stages 9, A and B), because he could never get past stage 8.
So basically he made an analytical video of a game he never beat.
At least he beat OOT, although he also admitted that he would delete the sequelitis video if it didn't made him youtube bux, and he admitted he was wrong, even though he still doesn't like the game much, he admitted his complaints were unfounded and plain wrong.

>>7168001
The funny thing is that I do agree that it is an easier game. Sure, I died a million times in the later stages and drac the first time I played, and still can't get through without some continues (I can't get the landing on collapsing stairs part right 100% no matter what). But compared to other games in the series? Definitely easier and it was the first I was able to beat.

>>7168008
I actually think, on replays, IV is harder than CV1. It has more demanding moments overall, CV1 becomes rather easy once you know it, and Death is a non-issue with holy water.
IV on the other hand has a lot of really long and complex platforming sections. I can now beat it in 1 continue, both loops, but it took me a while until I could do it.
Slogra is still a bitch.

>>7166919
how anyone can simp for this quarter eating scam of a game (with kiddie anime weeb graphics) is beyond my understanding

>>7168046
Gee, I don't know why people might like the game with the actual best graphics of all time.

>>7166919
Anyone know where I can find the video of the creepy guy """reviewing""" this game, who says he just got out of the bathtub with his cousin and then starts pretending to jerk off? Funny shit

>>7167509
how can they be overrated if i don't even know wtf they are

>>7168051
literal baby graphics for toddlers

>eceleb shit
Allowing zoomers in this board was a mistake .

It's no CV3, that's for sure

>>7166919
I liked SCIV a lot but it's not as good as 1 or 3. Bloodlines was better.

>>7167509
it's over close this thread

>>7167169
>Dracula X is better

>>7167530
>b-but Earthbound has a great and deep story, it's weird and has great music

Man I like Earthbound and all but it's really boring sometimes and I understand people calling it overrated, after all.

>>7168440
That's okay, you're entitled to your own opinion.
Even though you're fucking wrong.

>>7166919
>doesn't look or play like candy crush
>zoomer can't handle it

>>7168074
This.

I'm glad this was my first Castlevania because if I play 3 or rondo before it I would have had much higher expectations. Ok at best

>>7168520
Rondo is rather overrated, both IV and Bloodlines are better games, as is X68000.
Still all great games. Rondo just gets way too overrated due to 1. it's "japan-only holy grail" status it used to have, and 2. prequel to SOTN, which normies love.

every single game squaresoft and enix has ever made ever is a waste of time and baby tier retarded

>>7168065
Go back to CoD.

>>7166919
I just beat CV1 and 3 (although I haven't completed the alternative paths for 3), and I want to know if finishing 2 is worth it. I played through it until a certain point, but I'm kinda lost and I dislike some mechanics.

>>7168756
the bosses in 2 are lame theres 3 endings though depending how quick you beat it

>>7168756
play the superior remake of 2 on the zx spectrum instead

>>7167493
How is it overrated?

>>7168362
I'm probably older than you, meme-o.

>>7168828
I'm not the guy you're replying to, but here's my reasons.
1.muffled bgm.
2. Controller input feels sluggish (feel free to show me a Castlevania game with slower button response).
3. Relies more on presentation than the gameplay itself. Again, if you don't worry about the presentation and storyline of things, dracula X looks better gameplay wise is why I said what I said.

>>7166919
Shut up, Dracula.

>>7168008
Rondo of Blood hands out 1ups and wall meat like candy and has a lot of levels devoid of platforming obstacles whatsoever, it's by far the easiest of the classicvanias, and that's not even taking Maria mode into consideration. I do like Rondo, but everyone sucks its dick and says IV is too easy even though it's the harder game between the two.

>>7168967
Rondo bosses are bullshit and make the game way harder to beat than Castlevania Bore.

>>7169132
>Castlevania Bore
oh wow, I'm convinced! I hate IV now wtf!
Seriously, Rondo's bosses are well designed but they become very easy when you know their patterns and weaknesses.
Rondo's a good game, just not as good as people made it out to be after all these years of being japan-exclusive.
I think IV still has some bosses that can be trickier even when you already know the game inside out (the golden bat or slogra, sometimes unpredictable). Another thing that makes Rondo easier is the free i-frames of the item crash and OP subweapons like the bible that trivializes dodging projectiles.

>>7168872
>Controller input feels sluggish (feel free to show me a Castlevania game with slower button response)
Frankly anon, I can't even think of one other than fucking Adventure 1. Just about every CV has responsive controls, so I really have to wonder what you're talking about.
>3. Relies more on presentation than the gameplay itself.
I just flat out disagree, being easy doesn't mean it doesn't care about gameplay or that it puts look pretty over it. Hell, if it even is a matter of being easy, I would kind of disagree on that, too.

Not that it isn't necessarily so, and maybe it's just anecdotal, but every new person I've seen try 4 gets their shit kicked in before they're a quarter of the way in the game. Sure, it gets better with experience, but then just about every old CV does, but 4 in particular gets demanding in its level design even before it's halfway done.
>dracula X looks better gameplay wise
I like Dracula X too, for both gameplay and presentation, but I'm not going to pretend it's better designed than 4 when it practically relies on screwing you over in ways that you couldn't even foresee and insists on being a dick about things, like enemies jumping in when you had no indication they would.

I'm not going to comment on your first point because I don't know, it sounds like you just prefer the soundtracks of other games and that's your reason for it, and who am I to give you shit for it?

>>7169132
They aren't and they don't.

>>7169132
Yeah sure, 4 is boring to you, fine, but how are Rondo's bosses bullshit? If anything, stuff like actually flinching from your attacks and having obvious tells makes them some the easiest and possibly the most enjoyable bosses of the classicvanias. They're basically a fairer version of X68000's roster, where technically the same principles apply but the actual execution of them is toned down, so you get shit like shewolf and maybe even Medusa of all people filtering you.

>>7169336
I wouldn't call RoB garbage or anything, but I honestly don't understand the praise it gets.
>Praise for aesthetics when it's not like the franchise didn't already have that down pat
>Difficulty, especially for ditching 4's whip abilities, even though it adds stuff of its own that trivializes certain encounters like skeletons on top of stairs
that would arguably be bullshit without them, so it feels more like patching things up
>Alternate routes to alternate bosses and levels are rarely integrated into the overall design of levels, so things are largely flat until the end of a given level
>Enemies have less varied level design to work with to put the screws to you and their new designs and AI don't really change up how you usually approach them
Except stage 3a and b and maybe stage 5, they're fucking great.

Decent all around, but I wouldn't call it the best at probably anything, except maybe bosses, I love Rondo's bosses.

On my initial playthroughs I had to use continues way more often on Rondo than with IV.

IVfags are poser faggots.

>>7169518
It's irrelevant which one took you more continues initially (I honestly don't think any level on Rondo filters people as much as IV's stage 8, but if you had a different experience, ok), the thing is that on replays Rondo is a lot more predictable and easy. IV can also be learned but there's always more risk and it definitely has more emphasis on platforming than on combat, as with the NES Castlevanias. Rondo has a lot of SOTN-style hallways where you just fight some damage sponge enemies. And they're not particularly fun to fight either in most cases, very slow and predictable.

Castlevania 1 (on Amiga), the X68k game, and Haunted Castle are the only good CVs.

>>7166919
metal gear shitlid

thief is better

>>7170714
you're right only with 1 game.

>>7168967
>even though it's the harder game between the two.
this is such bullshit. you can basically sleepwalk your way through 4, in rondo you at least have to get the patterns down.

>>7169482
>actually flinching from your attacks
That's a big one. For example, the werewolf in Rondo might seem hard learning its patterns at first, but when you learn you can knock it back to neutral by hitting it out of its attacks with a simple whip strike, it's a cakewalk.
>aesthetics
The in-game graphics are beautiful but those still frame anime cutscenes are downright embarrassing.

>>7172513
>but those still frame anime cutscenes are downright embarrassing.
the dub was pretty good for time period desu.

>>7167509
>t. seething chinklet

>>7166919
</thread>

>>7166919
Thief
Doom

>>7172513
>hitting it out of its attacks with a simple whip strike, it's a cakewalk
And you know, thinking on it now, I really appreciate that part of its design. Werewolf has a lot of cool shit going for it despite only being the second boss of the normal route, but it gives a lesson in knowing the difference in being fast and aggressive to get a lot of hits on the boss, and being slow yet greedy and taking an attack it managed to get off. Personally, I considered No-Hit Werewolf to be harder than no-hitting a lot of the bosses after it.

>>7168559
Hey Now!

>>7167302
10/10
>>7168046
9/10
>>7173284
10/10

>>7166936
Bloodlines is definitely 200% better than SCIV. FACT.

>>7168528
Terrible take, objectively wrong.

>>7168528
Rondo is the best one you must be on drugs

>>7168528
You're probably right that Rondo is overrated, but it is a great game. You even had Nintendo zealots claiming Dracula X was the best Castlevania years ago. Akumajou Dracula on the Sharp had a great soundtrack, but even that couldn't compete with Rondo's PCM.

>>7167509
All those games are trash trust me.

>>7173469
>You even had Nintendo zealots claiming Dracula X was the best Castlevania years ago.
Never happened, the only people who prefer Dracula X to Rondo are the die-hard classic fans that prefer linear, action-focused platforming rather than Rondo's explorative and easier challenge.
Nintendo fanboys didn't care much for Dracula X because, as most other people, complained that the whip wasn't as dynamic as it was on IV.
Nice try, though.
And yeah Rondo is great, despite being overrated.

>>7166919
I haven't played it but it seems Rondo was praised as an all around great game, while this was just Castlevania on the SNES

>>7173469
I can't really agree with your statement about Nintendo zealots and Dracula X, anon. I've never seen Ninty fans go to bat for it, and the ones I do see are usually doing so because they see IV & RoB both as casual games in comparison, especially for what they did to player character controls and level design, respectively.
I nonetheless appreciate the sentiment about the tendency to put anything on a pedestal, though.

>>7173440
>>7173446
Exactly like this. Funny how the IVfags can actually discuss the games in depth in ways that both criticize and compliment while RoBfags usually just insult and make vague references to difficulty that were already deconstructed in this thread.

>>7173431
I'd unironically would like to hear from you what makes Bloodlines so great, preferably in its own right, would probably make for a more interesting thread by this point. Played it once recently at a friend's house on the collection, set it to American Normal mode without realizing what that meant, and I for one was enjoying myself until we stopped at I think the leaning tower of Piza. Never liked the fact that it never got any rereleases before, what have I been missing for all this time?

>>7173505
I meant best on the SNES i.e. better than IV.

>>7173606
Even then, I'd be surprised, but people like what they like in the end. What were their reasons for it anyway, if you happen to remember?

>>7173618
I think the general consensus was that it was based on Rondo and Rondo was better than IV. This on some Nintendo forum ages ago if you can believe that.

>>7173626
Yeah it must be an unpopular thing you read once, the major general consensus is that IV is one of the best in the franchise and Dracula X is "a bad port of Rondo", even Nintendo fans were parroting this. They didn't care because they already got IV, and Dracula X came out very late in the SNES lifespan.
To be fair, back in the 90s, people weren't THAT aware of Rondo, only a few magazines talked about it briefly, but the truth is that by 1995, a game like Castlevania wasn't very marketable anymore because people were all hopping on the 3D hype train.

>>7173626
That's both hilarious and sad. Dracula X is basically an almost entirely different adventure starring Richter with different emphasis on enemy and level design, with the exploration aspects toned down such that you have to stick to one particular path if you want the good ending / to get a another boss fight with Death that takes RoB's version and makes it far more difficult. It really is practically a different game that just happens to use some of Rondo's assets.

>>7173637
No, it was a popular opinion, but it was also in the 90's and X was one of the last great games for a dying system.
>To be fair, back in the 90s, people weren't THAT aware of Rondo
I'm probably old enough to be your dad. People were aware.

>>7173653
>noo believe me, Rondo of Blood was famous in the 90s!
>seriously! Dracula X was popular and people liked it more than IV! I'm old enough to be your dad!

>>7173679
Despite what your millennial tuber said, it wasn't some hidden gem and people didn't have PCE CD emulators so this was the next best thing.

>>7173708
Ironic coming from the guy LARPing as having memories from the 90s.
Some magazines talked about Rondo, but it didn't acquire holy grail-status en masse until the 2000s. Dracula X wasn't really hated either, since Rondo wasn't as famous as you think it was.

the music fucking rocks though.

>>7173728
I was a Genesis kid, but had friends with TG16 and SNES. I eventually purchased an SNES late which was probably why I went asking which Castlevania was better. I'm sorry if I've shattered your belief that Rondo was some mysterious gem. It wasn't and import shops carried all of that.

>>7173761
you didn't shatter any belief because you weren't conscious in the 90s, while I was. I remember how it was.
>friends with TG16 in 1995
sure thing

>>7168440
Somewhat agree. The only part I don't like that much is the dessert before Fourside and the entirety of Scaraba up until Deep Darkness. I like Brickroad, but I can't fucking stand going through Dungeon Man, twice, in the same area of the game.

>>7173782
You must have lived in the middle of nowhere and had no friends.
>friends with TG16 in 1995
He got his Turbo before the Genesis even came out. He knew all about Rondo and got his first job because of it. One of my rich highschool friends with parent issues had a Japanese Megadrive in addition to Genesis and I got to play Alien Soldier before my family even had internet. I'm not sure how you weren't aware that all of this stuff was as simple as calling a number in the back of a game magazine and placing an order. You truly must have lived a sheltered life.

>>7173806
>he keeps larping and adding rich friends who imported japanese games to his fic
it's so obvious you grew up watching e-celebs and are now trying to LARP and see if what you learned from the 90s works in front of people who were actually alive back then. It doesn't work.

>>7173078
Simon’s Quest and Smellda 2 are objectively better than this stinky pile of gold-painted shit.

>>7166959
>he unironically thinks SCIV is hard

>>7167509
The games may be garbage, but the cover illustrations are top notch in most cases; why cant we get something like this today?? Everything must be either generic MC photomontage or le epic computer made anime style

Talking about games with children in the year 2020. This is my life.

>>7174594
Were you expecting otherwise?

>>7173078
this and majora too - i still like these games but they always get their dick sucked when talking zelda

Fuck this piece of shit game, won't even work
REMAKE2>Bioshit 2

>>7174594
I feel you, man, I'm only still on this board for the good resources and occasional questions I have.

>>7167509
winner. those games are fun for like an hour or two max.

king of overrated

>>7166919
i agree desu
not even the best cv game on the snes

>>7173806
>Going to this far with a lie
A woo woo woo woo lad

>>7168015
I'm inclined to agree with you, 1 is very overrated difficulty wise because it's a lot of people's first and only castlevania.

>>7166919
>Simon gets hit
>"OHH~! <3"

>Simon dies
>"OHH, OHH, OHH, OHH~! <33"

Possibly the GAYEST Castlevania.

You haven't gotten the full experience until you've played the secret Hard mode, which is the second playthrough that starts after the credits finish rolling after you beat the game the first time. Instead of merely upping the HP of enemies, there's actually a lot of new enemy placement and Kaizo-tier platforming traps that force you to pay really close attention.

What's interesting is that there are more food/HP drops to compensate for some of the insane BS stuff they throw at you (double the random bat attacks, who do slightly more damage, and now have enough HP to not just get wiped away by a free-swing wrist-whipping)

Anti-IV is millennial meme desu

>>7168528
Kind of agree^
Rondo is great but ppl hype it up a lot.

Still a fun game to 1CC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUvLWOhkDCo

>>7167169
which is the one on sharp x68000, that 1 is goood

>>7167302
i enjoyed tekken 2 more (im not kazuya)

>>7175417
>263 KB
> king of overrated
No way. 1. The game is good. Its not perfect but far above average.
2. The most overrated game is easily ff7.
These are not just common game flaws, these are flaws unacceptable in a ROLEPLAYINGGAME:
- abysmal player character design. A group of clearly by marketing selected 'misfits' to fill the obvious sales targets. A tean that is so unbelieveable, unfitting and disharmonous only someone who never played a video game or pen and paper could have come up with that garbage:
- beauty boy with a sword that makes no sense
- big tiddy girl with rarely any importance or character (the most well designed character, which doesnt mean much)
- black action movie buff guy (doesnt fit the team in the slightest)
- character that is only there for obvious artificial sad emotions and pseudo innocence (alice)
- big robot spy cat... which invalidates itself by just these 4words
- vampire dude, who what why in this world, out of place much, just there to be cool, like ALL characters
- villain is just as unbelieveable and artificial, big sword AGAIN because muh japanese sword is my soul phallic reference stupid
- oh and spirit dog because nobody believes this shit anyways

And the list goes on, more rpg sins:
- empty world with barely any locations
- tons of invisible walls
- most doors are cant be entered
- locations are just as whack and out of place as characters
- grindy meaningless combat without depth

God Tier:
X68000

High Tier:
Bloodlines

Mid Tier:
Rondo of Blood

Low Tier:
Castlevania: Dracula X

Shit Tier:
Super Castlevania Bros.

>>7166919
I disagree, it was the last gritty Castlevania game, unlike the anime-stuff we have now.

>m-muh overrated...
Fuck off back to /v/ with this garbage you sad hipster fucks. Try and get a real personality too while you're at it.

>>7175630
seeing gayness where there isn't any is pretty gay desu. it's obviously "Ugh"

>>7179374
take your meds auster

>>7166919
No, fuck (you), OP, this game is rated highly because it should be rated highly.
It did what every SNES sequel to a classic series did: it took the old game and cranked it to 11 with fucking awesome graphics, music, and gameplay upgrades. It rightly stands beside Super Metroid, Mega Man X, Contra 3, and Super Mario World. "But muh 8-way-whip destroys the classic gameplay by negating the need for sub weapons." No it does not. I still use them all the time, especially axes and crosses. Sub weapon use is purely situational, and a choice, just like it was in CV1 and 3. Adding 8way whip did no more damage to gameplay than adding directional shooting to Super Metroid killed that game.
I'm gonna be honest, much as I love Rondo and Dracula X, other than the 10/10 graphics they felt like a step backwards. "But muh classic gameplay." go play the classics then. I had the same issues with Mega Man 9 and 10 feeling like a step backwards with removal of features that had been with the series since 3 and 4.
The only truly bad retrovania is Adventure on gameboy.

>>7180395
Mode 7 felt forced
Grapple was a lame mechanic
IV was too easy
It's a Trashure game

>>7180420
Why do you refuse to at least make your shitposts less obvious? What do you think you gain from people thinking you're stupid?

>>7180395
>"But muh classic gameplay." go play the classics then.
The funny thing is that Rondo and Dracula X are even less like the classic games, with missing mechanics like the numeral marks, the addition of item crash and being able to jump while on stairs.
IV has the 360 whip, a bit of control mid-air and you can drop off stairs (not jump while on them), but it's still pretty much one of the most orthodox classicvanias otherwise.

>>7166919
>Overrated games general
>Castlevania
>Jannies: :^|
>MGS
>Jannies: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>7167152
What did the Doom boomers do to make you so butthurt you replaced schmups with Doom?

>>7180420
based, trashure's the most overrated meme developer ever.

>>7166919
Doom, Quake, Sim City, Donkey Kong Country, and Final Fantasy.

>>7183314
Is your mouth a toilet? Because I'm going to shit in it.

>>7183342
Doom was cool back in the day, but it's overrated still. The rest suck.

>>7183306
Why do you reply to yourself?

>>7184007
here comes the shit
doodoo doodoo (get it)

>>7183184
take it back