/vr/ - Retro Games

Are the PSX cores going to have fixes for the awful jitter?

>>7678234
Yes.

>>7678243
Not accurate, inauthentic

Does it support the ds4 o er bluetooth? How does scaling work on modern TV's, does it offer some form of interpolation?

>>7678321
>Does it support the ds4 o er bluetooth?
yes
>How does scaling work on modern TV's
it can upscale up to 1440p
>does it offer some form of interpolation?
yes

>>7678314
You are free to play your PSX games on a rotting laser.

> he doesn't play on a CRT
> he doesn't use a real system
MiSTer is great and all, but if you're going to emulate, emulate.

>price went up
fugg

>>7678392
But I play MiSTer on a CRT and It is a real system I can hold in my hands. Thoughts?

>>7678392
JK. Long live MiSTer.

>>7678450
Not him, but the MiSTer is not a real system. It's an emulator.

>>7678462
how isn't it a real system when I can hold it on my hands and turn it on.

>>7678450
It's vaporware. If it's not EXACTLY like the real thing then it will always be vaporware. This includes needing to use the appropriate cartridges, controllers, and the appearance of the system. I don't know why you people can't seem to understand this.

>>7678654
>This includes needing to use the appropriate cartridges
Retrode on my PC and FTP
>controllers
SNAC adapters
>and the appearance of the system
casemod out of a dead console

Your turn

>>7678660
>Retrode on my PC and FTP
You're not inserting the cartridge into the actual system. Better off emulating on a Wii instead. It's a superior experience if you're just going to move ROMs around.
>SNAC adapters
You're converting the signal to USB. This is not the intended signal that the original console uses and is therefore fake. Basically turns your controller into a generic USB controller.
>casemod out of a dead console
3 strikes and you're out! Removing the working components of the console turns it into a vacant plastic shell. Again, might as well just use a Wii since you're just turning something into a cheap emulation box that's merely a facade of a real console.

ITT:

>>7678727
shut the fuck up retard

>>7678727
>>SNAC adapters
>You're converting the signal to USB

Imagin still arguing with this guy

>>7678727
I'm inserting the cartridge into the actual system though. My system consists of a Retrode to interface the cartridge.

>You're converting the signal to USB. This is not the intended signal that the original console uses and is therefore fake.
The original console receives electrical pulses that indicate which button is being pressed, this does the same thing. Therefore it's accurate.

>Removing the working components of the console turns it into a vacant plastic shell.
All consoles shells are vacant plastic shells when they are manufactured and then they are filled with components. So the MiSTer system achieves the same thing. Therefore it's accurate.

>>7678727
>you're just turning something into a cheap emulation box
>$170
>cheap

>>7678727
>>You're converting the signal to USB.
You should seriously look up what you're talking about before you post absolutely braindead shit like this.

>>7678742
He probably thinks USB is some magic mumbo jumbo thing.

>>7678226
n64 core?

>>7678651
Because it's not based on a real console. It's just a miniature PC that's dedicated to emulating old consoles.

>>7678824
it probably wont fit

>>7678832
There's nothing about the Mister that is in any way the same as a PC. Unless you're using the ao486 core.

>>7678832
Why don't you keep playing with your Wii little boy and let us keep discussing our miniature PC. :^)

So whatcha fellas playing?

>>7678917
Magical Drop 3 - NeoGeo
It's an addictive puzzle game.

This kills the pajeenation.
https://youtu.be/gPukKh6BhIE

>>7678832
It works the same as a game console, how isn't it a real console?

>>7678917
Firing up DK Land.

> MiSTer isn't emulation
Explain this then.
https://youtu.be/O0STnqwF7gk

>>7678887
You can lie to yourself, but it does act like a PC that only runs emulators. It's pointless, but if that's your thing, go for it.

>>7678905
I don't own a Wii. I only game on the PC, MiSTer poorfag.

>>7679101
Wow, what kind of hoops or lies did you have to go through to convince yourself of that? It's not a real console, it's a mini PC with multiple emulators. If it worked the same as a game console, then surely I would be able to plug in the...

>cartridges
>CD's
>memory cards/cartridges/units
>Game Sharks/Game Genies
>Sega CD
>Sega 32X

Definitely not the same as a console. I'll stick to PC for emulation. PC Master Race for the win.

>>7679321
No it literally runs things like a console would. It's a console.

>>7679321
Post specs.

>>7679483
It's a miniature PC dedicated to emulation.

Reminder: LCDs are not accurate or authentic, and the PS1/Saturn cores are vaporware.

>>7679779
Reminder: LDCs are vaporware, and the PS1/Saturn cores are not accurate or authentic.

>>7679858
>Reminder: LDCs are vaporware, and the PS1/Saturn cores are not accurate or authentic.

I think you should look up the definition of the word vaporware.

>>7679321
> I don't own a Wii. I only game on the PC, MiSTer poorfag.

Here we go again.

>>7679779

>>7679858
>the PS1/Saturn cores are vaporware.
>PS1/Saturn cores are not accurate or authentic.
So it's both vaporware and neither accurate nor authentic? So no point in buying a MiSTer? Alrighty then.

>>7679123
Nice one

>>7678917
>So whatcha fellas playing?
The waiting game. I ordered my DE10 just before the price spike; feels bretty gud man.

>>7678948
Never played this, but the goddess-looking chick (World?) was I think my first fap. Saw a gif of her bouncing up and down on an old Angelfire fanpage back in the dialup days and that was it.

>>7679901
If you like puzzle games you should give it a try. The VS mode is great!

>>7679913
Yep, that's the one. I think someone edited out the third eye though.
Anyway will do. Thanks.

>>7678917
Gradius 2

Has anyone here bought mister parts from ali express?

>>7680405
Yes an IO board. The user IO pins and fan controll pins were missing but its fixable if you can use a soldering iron. As far as I know the SDRAM boards are fine.

I was thinking of buying the io board from a Australian seller and the rest of it like the sdram etc from ali express. Someone told me some sdrams from china can fry your board

>>7680434
Have you heard of anyone having problems with sdram boards from china?

>>7680405
I bought everything from aliexpress. Works good.

>>7680467
Not him but I was so skeptic I ran memtest a few hours on my chink SDRAM and it returned zero errors.

>>7680467
There's always going to be outliers. I haven't had any issues with mine, and for all the talk about getting "chinked" on aliexpress, the few times I've had issues over hundreds of transactions have been settled with full refunds after I send them a picture of the issue.

I really doubt the chinks are doing a worse job than any other retard you're paying 2x to buy the same chips and pretend to solder them themselves. These chips are cheap, not really worth cloning and they're hard to fake anyway because everyone memtests them, and aside from some shoddy flux jobs their insect hands are perfectly fine for basic SMD work.

C64:
- SID: Use common module for both 6581 and 8580 chips.
- SID: rewrite 6581 filters with hopefully better resemble of original 6581 sound.
- Keyboard: re-arrange some keys (shifted 6-0, swap + and = buttons, better simulation of compound keys).

>>7680463
>>7680467

Make a visual check for solder bridges and any "splashes" of solder on the board.

The "splashes" can be scraped off with a tooth pick.

There is not much that chinks can fuck up on the SDRAM board.

If you want to check the SDRAM for the filter cap Problem you can run Jotegos SDRAM tester (https://www.patreon.com/posts/sdram-test-core-45967856).).

And last but not least -> Don't put it the wrong way on!

>>7678917
Megaman Battle Network 1

>>7678727
Every thread. Guaranteed. I just occasionally stop by to laugh at luddites like this.

>>7680690
Great to see SID improvements. A month ago C64 sound was really off. I almost felt insulted when I realized that Skate or Die! sounded better with 8580, when it reality that game's music was specifically made to fuck that chip over.

>>7678824
Likely not enough LEs for N64 and almost certainly not enough memory bandwidth.
>>7679779
No shit, then use a CRT? PS1 is well on its way, it plays retail games now. The work on the GPU is largely done, MDEC and SPU coming along nicely. Saturn is still in exploratory phase but booting the BIOS now. Remember these cores are being developed by individuals and entirely from scratch.

>>7681070
Keep seething. You're just using a vaporware version of a Raspberry Pi running some crappy version of Linux that costs 20x as much. Literally no difference except that the emulators are all vaporware and half finished.

>>7681135
You are only embarrassing yourself buddy.

>>7681149
Enjoy your vaporware. Oh, wait, you can't because the """""""""core""""""""" is still in """""""""""""""development""""""""""""""""". But make sure to pay your $9.99/mo. Patreon dues.

>>7680467
Ive heard of people getting RAM that tests poorly in memtest, but as long as you test it they'll usually replace it or refund you.

>>7681170
It amazes me how MiSTershills get so offended when we point out what's wrong with the glorified emulation device. Oh and they hate it when we call the MiSTer "emulation".

So this is a bummer and will maybe provide more fuel for the anti-Mister people who like to shit up these threads (what a sad pathetic existence those people live). It is my understanding that we're going to see the price increase across the board, from the shops that deal just in MiSTer kits, Amazon, directly from the Terasic site, etc.

>>7681387

>Year 2025
>/vr/ still confused about fpga
ohmah lor

>>7681387
Yeah sucks, but every piece of electronic is pricey right now due to shortages. Still worth it at the price increase, but definitely not the impulse buy it once was.

>>7681387
Lol get fucked mister fags, my entire console collection is cheaper than your shit microcomputer

>>7681387
Singh definitely won't be getting one now :(

>>7681437
Tell me more about this console collection that is cheaper than a MiSTer. Feel free to post pictures

>>7681387
This filters poorfags so I'm good.

>>7681458
>SNES: 10 bucks at flea market back in '07
>N64: free gift, friend gave away
>Saturn: 30 bucks at flea Market back in '07
>PS2: 25 bucks, bought from a friend in '15
>wii: got it for free, same friend as the 64 donor, I use this to emulate everything Mister can emulate

Buying consoles IRL at a flea market or vintage collectible shop, they never sell more than $40. If you want pictures I'll show you when I get home but they're pretty boring, just sitting around in my milk crate bookshelf I set up. I love the skepticism though.

The difference between coomlectors and smart people: The coomlector feels better the more money they spend to get the same thing as the smart person. In this case the "thing" is playing old video games. If the coomlector has the chance to pay an extra $100 to play Neo Turf Masters, which smart people typically pay $0 for, it makes them feel even better, and this works the other way too. The price increase is really a win-win if you think about it.

>>7681469
Nigger it's 2021 now. Bragging about something being cheap nearly two decades ago isn't helping your case.

>>7681470
MiSTer is great for coomlectors who also lie playing games because they get a physical copy and an authentic experience without wearing down their physical copy. It's a win win.

>>7681469
Now factor in the cost of games, buddy. Note that flashcarts and ODEs aren't free.

>>7681470
AES Turf Masters is a $10k+ game. Worth every penny!

>>7681483
Lmao just go to a flea market in 2007, retard. Games are $1 each. Lmao you're so stupid.

>>7681493
Yeha, shitty atari games and licensed wii games. This ain't the mid 2000s anymore buddy.

>>7681483
so emulate the ones you don't want to buy then? Pseudo Saturn cart and an n64 everdrive are about $130 together, the only consoles I actually can't emulate for. You can emulate anything else besides them much cheaper on literally anything besides the mister, and only autists who spend $300+ (and I emphasize the plus) on a mister would ever notice the difference

>>7681493
not my fault you just started buying retro shit. You're not even buying retro shit though lol.

>>7681507
I have emulated for over 20 years. I cna feel the difference with MiSTer. Sorry you have the reaction times of of geriatric man and can't note the difference. Realistically you've never seen an fpga in real life though, so your opinion is completely worthless.

>>7681517
Well, duh, I already said those on the spectrum can spot a difference, but nobody outside of the spectrum cares, especially those that don't need to emulate.

>>7681507
So your argument just boils down to "lol just emulate bro".

Alright, find me a 130 dollar emulator that works on my 15khz CRT through RGB, and has no latency.

I won't even ask for original light gun and controller support, that's just unfair.

>>7681493
ok give me that time machine.

>>7681517
Dude probably grew up on ZSNES, the 4+ frames of lag are imprinted on his brain.

>>7681578
>milliseconds of difference
Again, only autists care. And no, I grew up on a real SNES, never noticed any difference between my legit copy of DKC and the one running on my wii's Snes9x.

>>7681507
MiSTer is a good middle ground between real hardware setup and emulation. It's for those people that wanna push things a bit further without dishing out thousands of dollars for flashcards and ODEs. With Retroarch you can get latency to 1 frame behind a MiSTer, and audio delay about of about 21ms too.

Emulation is still the budget and flexibility king, no one's denying that, and ideally everyone who owns a MiSTer has an emulation setup on the side too. I own a mix of real hardware, MiSTer and a PC for emulation.

>>7681593
You're on an autistic board, on a thread for autists. You're being autistic too since you keep coming back to get your dopamine rush from trolling and endlessly repeating pointless arguments. Why are you complaining about autism?

>>7681605
Just passing time while waiting around at work.

>>7681610
Hopefully your IT department doesn't catch you browsing alt right racist pedophile websites

>>7681594
This

My stuff currently:

>MiSTer
>NES Classic, SNES and Genesis with flashcarts (don't use these three anymore though)
>N64 + chink everdrive
>Softmodded Gamecube, PS2 and Switch
>Gaming PC (i7 8700k, GTX 1080ti)

is the nt mini noir powerful enough for a gba core?

>>7681694
At this point forget about analogue

>>7681694
It doesn't have enough buttons

Quick and dirty megadrive to USB adapter.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Retro-Controllers-USB-MiSTer/tree/master/SegaControllerUSB

Finally I can use my 8BitDo M30 wirelessly.
Probably gonna make a PCB for this and my own firmware that don't depends on the Arduino framework.

>>7681694
Probably but Analog would much rather sell you a GBA for another $200.

>>7681694
Doesn't it literally have a Cyclone V on it? aka the same chip MiSTer uses

>>7682057
Yes, but without the 128mb SD ram and open development, it doesn't really matter.

>>7682176
Yeah just saying it obviously is powerful enough, it's just locked down.

>>7682057
>>7682176
So it could if someone find a way to write it for it (or way in the future of analogue ever closes and kevtris says fuck it) what does the sd ram mean?

>>7681772
>>Probably gonna make a PCB for this and my own firmware that don't depends on the Arduino framework.
Why? You do know arduinos are going to cost you about 2 bucks, right? You'll pay more than that for PCB printing.

>>7681772
>ATMega32U4
Curious, on that model does the USB just function as a USB to RS232 serial adapter, or is it able to act as a USB host device?

>>7681772
looks nice, but why the breadboard? I thought you could just wire up everything directly.

>>7682356
for the Super NT maybe, for the NT Mini it's not possible. There's not enough buttons on the NES controller.

>>7682381
Probably just to keep everything in place.
Those microcontrollers are so small and light that they can be pulled around even just moving a wire.

>>7678226
I bought a DE10-Nano from Terasic for $105 because I'm a student. It was $125 total. Waiting for the rest of the kit from china for $45.

>>7682404
Disgusting arm hair, get some wax and remove those

>>7682404
>$105
Good deal mang. Shit is going up to $170+ due to shortages at some shops
With the whole IC manufacturing issues the price on these boards are likely going to keep going up.

>>7682412
I prefer to look as grotesque as possible.
>>7682413
Holy shit, I really didn't even know about this until just now. I had a feeling that the boards would see shortage with either demand or manufacturing.
Glad I bought it when I did which was like a week ago.

>>7681517
>>7681387
>>7681540
Why do you faggot freaks always defend this thing like you're friends with it? What the fuck man? Its just a god damn emulator but you act like any criticism or judgement against it is an insult to your closest friend. Its pathetic, just accept that its cheaper to physically purchase the console and stop crying about it and making up little fucking stories. Its just another fucking way to play video games but somehow it attracts the most repulsively autistic peices of shit who can't handle the fact that they blew hundreds of dollars on a hunk of metal thats does the exact same shit any computer can. Get a fucking life you shill-for-free autistic fuck ups.

>>7682507
> child lies
> adults surprise
> he denies
> later cries

>>7678226
why can't it do flat out RF out? I'd buy one immediately if it could. I mean, who the fuck has a SCART?

>>7682425
>I prefer to look as grotesque as possible.
Ok that's ballsy, respect

>>7682507
What do you mean MiSTer isn't my friend? I cuddle it to sleep every night. My dear MiSTer videogame console and a real system.

>>7682607
and a real hero

>>7678226
Does anyone here use Mister without SDRAM, I have just ordered the DE10, but I do not want to get SDRAM

>>7682507
I make love to my MiSTer every night. Can your PC perfectly replicate love on the hardware level?

>>7682738
Anon, that's lewd

>>7682737
you should just get the sdram

MiSTer is like that great friend who owned all the consoles and games and you'd go to this house and play together.

>>7678917
I'm swamped. Tried to keep the OG mindset, focusing on 2 or 3 games at a time (lack of save states helped), but somewhere along the line the floodgates broke and between Jotego Fridays and my failing reflexes, I had to expand my rotation.

So I'm a big retard and new to the whole MiSTer thing, but I've been loving it so much. I want to hook it up to my CRT, so I got an HDMI to VGA adapter for direct video and VGA to component cable. However, the picture comes out all fucked up with the screen constantly scrolling vertically in menus and games. I ran the update script and messed around with the ini file; setting composite_sync=1, ypbpr=1 and direct_video=1 but no such luck. The component cables I got look a little different than what was shown on the Amazon page, so maybe that's the issue? I'd be greatly appreciative for any help with my situation.

>>7682841
We need exact details of your setup. Cables, boards, CRT, settings...

>>7682841
Just ask on the discord.

>>7682882
I have the DE10-Nano from MisterAddons alongside the USB hub and I load my games off of a USB thumbdrive. I do not have the IO board, so I got the Moread HDMI to VGA adapter off Amazon. As well as 3ft VGA to 3 RCA Component by Monoprice because some people in the reviews said it worked well for MiSTer.
As for CRT, I have a Sharp 27F543 and is working well.
Here is the ini file if it helps.
>>7682958
Oh nice, I wasn't aware of the discord. Thanks, I'll ask there as well.

>>7682978
https://pastebin.com/HVRdWp0p
Guess I forgot the link.

>>7682978
Any way to test the cables with other devices? Cables can be hit and miss.

>>7682984
Just guessing it might be composite sync.

>>7682989
Sadly I don't have other ways to test it. I wouldn't doubt it being the cable, so I can try to buy a different one.

>>7683001
An old laptop with vga out can be used to test the cable, a newer laptop for the adapter.

>>7682978

"DO NOT set the resolution of the HDMI source higher than the maximum resolution of the monitor/television, older models may be unable to self-adjust resolution"

From the Amazon Moread listing.

Anyone know if I can use a Wii U Pro controller with the MiSTer? Via adapter or otherwise?
It's my favorite retro controller but the Bluetooth implementation it uses is notoriously opaque.

>>7683156
8bitdo adapter is the best option for Bluetooth controllers.

>>7683214
Thanks. That's kinda what I suspected.
Do you know how bad the input lag is? I'm no speedrunner but more than 200ms and I do start to notice.

>>7682749
in 1992

>>7683235
Yeah when most of us were young. Are you a zoomer?

>>7682385
You can just connect other controllers can't you? There is a genesis core already

>>7683227
https://twitter.com/MisterAddons/status/1265812726254886913

>>7683339
Thanks again.
~30ms will almost certainly fine. My reflexes are shit these days.

>overpriced emulation machines
WHY

>>7683339
Lol... looks like Harjinder is spreading cope and lies on twitter even now. Mister doesnt have input lag

>Use my mister for SNES mainly
>decide to play sonic 2
>notice that the sound is off
Turns out the gates can "burn" in position and not re-conform after a while
Remember to change out your cores every 30 minutes or so, that way your gates don't get stuck causing inaccuracies in other cores.
I have to buy a new mister now fuck.

>>7683585
>Turns out the gates can "burn" in position and not re-conform after a while

This lying faggot again... The LUT's of an FPGA use SRAM to hold their configuration. It is as stupid as saying that you need to use another browser every 30 min because the data gets "burned" into your RAM.

>>7683638
>he doesn't use a separate mister for each core
Lol... OK Manpreet, whatever you say. Must suck to only be able to afford one mister and have core burn-in out the ass.

>>7683585
>>7683653
Try harder faggot

I bought the SNAC set from misterfpga.co.uk and they came without cases. Trying the SNES one- yeah it works fine, but disconnecting the controller from the port was frightening for how much force was required vs. the size of the adapter (and doing so against a bare PCB).

Without access to a 3D printer is there anything I could use as a case? My usual approach is to just wrap everything in solidifying putty but that looks like shit so it's kind of a last resort.

>>7682364
>Why? You do know arduinos are going to cost you about 2 bucks, right? You'll pay more than that for PCB printing.

Yes I know, but I want to try a panelized PCB design in kicad and this seems to be like a little nice project even if I just make a PCB where I slap the DB9 connector and the Arduino on it.

>>7682373
>Curious, on that model does the USB just function as a USB to RS232 serial adapter, or is it able to act as a USB host device?

I'm not sure if you really mean host, but it shows up as a USB HID device and works pretty well.

>>7682381
>looks nice, but why the breadboard? I thought you could just wire up everything directly.

It's not a permanent setup. I just wanted to try it out.

>>7682398
This

>>7684053
Shrink tube + short usb3 extension cable

IMPORTANT QUESTION FAGGOTS:
will a mister fit inside my C64?

>>7682737
I used It without SDRAM for a while, but It only plays Genesis, PC-Engine and GBA this way. If you don't wanna spend a lot just get the 32mb SDRAM on Aliexpress. Only games that won't play are the bigger NeoGeo ones like later king of fighters.

>>7684073
That'll work for the SNAC board itself, but it's these bits that are the problem.
The ports stick really hard to the controller connectors. I was afraid I was going to break the SNES one and had to kinda rock it off with a pair of surgical forceps.

They need some kind of case so, A. I've got something to grip that's not small and pointy, and B. To distribute the force of me pulling away from the delicate pins.

now that intel is doing regular price-hikes of the de10-nano, what affordable platform will mister be ported to next?

>>7684089
Nothing at the moment, if Intel is feeling the squeeze other manufacturers likely are too.

>>7684076
im asking because
i rewired a broken c64 to be a usb controller & its a fucking mess inside
id like to keep the cabling inside the unit

no website seems to list the dimensions of the de10 + ram

>>7684059
>it shows up as a USB HID device
Exactly what I needed to know.
Thanks mate.

>>7684108
The DE10 itself is about 11cm long x 7cm wide x 3cm tall with RAM installed. I'd budget for more space though if you're looking to make sure the thing doesn't short out.

>>7684076
Should fit fine.
The C64 housing is a thick boi

>>7684126
>>7684127
screenshot taken
thanks anonkun
heres a potential coleco / intelevision substitute controller @ snes usb adapter

>>7684053
>I bought the SNAC set from misterfpga.co.uk
Should've got the adapter itself off ebay, it's cheaper there and comes with a 3D printed case.

As for the ports themselves, I haven't see anything. Honestly, it's probably all just in your head, file them down a bit if they're tight. I personally unplug from the SNAC board intact and then remove the controller. If you're really that nervous about breaking them, just buy a couple more so you can use them on every alternate peripheral you own, then you'll never need to take them off.

>>7684089
Even with the price hike mister is still a better deal than buying analogue shit.
Buy a pi 4 if you want something "affordable".

>>7684325
This. MiSTer is an enthusiast project.

>>7684339
for the 1%

>>7684439
you're into retro/antiques but cant afford a $200 item, you're gonna have a bad time
mister is the same cost as a flashcart or ODE

>>7684467
Well, kind of. Unless your name ends in deep, preet, inder, etc, you generally want to be getting 3-4 misters to rotate and keep your gates fresh just to make sure you don't get core burn.

>>7684491
>keep your gates fresh just to make sure you don't get core burn.
no one is buying your bullshit

>>7684491
RAM doesn't feature core burn.

core burn with the colgate-ray

>>7684491
Don't you get tired of coming up with new bullshit every week?

>>7684120
You're welcome

>>7684491
Where did you even get this idea from? It's fascinating.

>>7684805
He got butthurt when emulators were proven to be INACCURATE and started coming up with all kinds of nonsense as a COPE.

>>7684816
so is the point of this image 'don't turn on v-sync'?
also you post like a fucking fag dude, calm down with the allcaps buzzwords

>>7684831
The point is: Turn on whatever you like, it will still be INACCURATE.

>>7684831
>don't turn on v-sync
Yeah I love screen tearing.

>>7684936
Don't expect the dumb fuck to ever think through what he is saying, he doesn't know what he doesn't know.

NGPC CORE WHEN?

>>7684505
>>7684575
>>7684781
>>7684691
LOOOL so many indians in this thread. cant imagine owning less than 4 misters. That's 4x the seething and crying when they see what they're too poor to afford!!

>>7685739
This -> >>7683704
Time to cope kid

>>7685739
>N-no, you're the streetshitter!

>>7685652
NG CD first :^)

>standard output only has VGA
Nobody thought to put RCA or S-Video on this fucking thing?

you guys really do a good job making me hate mister more each new thread you make

>>7685739
I was joking with the colgate thing

>>7685882

>>7685882
good. retards shouldn't be allowed to touch technology

>>7685882
Yessssss, let us feed your hatred.

>>7685739
>>7685882

Thanks for the bump idiots

Okay so honestly, what are the chances PS1 and Saturn actually end up working on the MiSTer platform fulls-peed?
N64 and PSP are probably pipe-dreams but aren't we already kinda nearing the limit in terms of the number of logic elements that are available on the Altera Cyclone V chip?

>>7686297
100% chance for PS1. Not so sure for Saturn.

N64 and up is impossible.

>>7686297
>but aren't we already kinda nearing the limit in terms of the number of logic elements that are available on the Altera Cyclone V chip?

This stuff is misleading. We're not really sure how many logic blocks a system uses. Raw power alone isn't an indicator. The SNES for example is using 75% logic at the moment while NeoGeo only uses 37%, which is crazy. That's because blocks need to be allocated for all the special chips even though they won't all be used at a time.

NES also uses 45%, still way more than a NeoGeo probably due to all the mappers.

>>7686297
Playstation is already running full speed on inferior hardware, core just needs audio and a bit more work before porting back to the de 10 nano. Saturn is only booting bios right now. That one is still up in the air, but it looks promising.

>>7686297
N64 and up would most likely run as SoC emulation, if ever, so like, it could run as an emulator cheating instead of doing things properly maybe, but this is just a guess

It's just so insane seeing the SNES in second, second only to one of the most openly copied and computer architectures in history, and staring at that 75.28% and just thinking "byuu gave us this"

>>7686325
Oh so the SNES core actually maps out LE's for all the special chips even when they're superflous?
Shit, fair enough, that explains it being so high on your list.

>>7686328
>>7686318
>>7686339
Cool. I've never actually touched a Saturn so it'll be interesting if that ends up working- even the possibility of getting PS1 up and running was a big draw for me in terms of going-in for a MiSTer.

Bummer about the N64, fucking voodoo box that it is, but I guess there's always flashcarts.
Thanks.

>>7686325
But what is this logic utilization? Is this, how many of the total logic blocks on the Altera Cyclone V are being used, or what percentage of the logic is implemented as logic blocks and not software code?

>>7686348
When a core loads up it flashes the fpga with everything it can possibly use. When you select a game it uses what it needs.
>>7686352
An fpga is a series of multiplexors to create and, or, and not gates. Deep down that's all a system really is. The logic core use is literally how many gates have been set.

>>7686358
So, in terms of the ARM CPU, it's not even used for the cores then? just for things like I/O and flashing the FPGA and stuff like that, not for actual core stuff?

>>7686367
It's used for the interface and handling backing up and loading SRAM amongst other things, but pretty much nothing for the running core. People are experimenting with hybrid approaches for computer cores, but we have no clue how viable it will be. The arm cpu on mister is really weak.

>>7686369
That's good honestly, do you know of any cores that are 100% accurate to the original hardware? I know it exists for a few things like the Gigatron TTL, but I want a comprehensive list of drop in replacements for old computers and stuff, like the Altair 8800 core has to be 100% accurate, no?

>>7686370
100% is a weird metric to hit as there's always something that can be missed when taking on something of this scope, but anything superstar is basically 95% or higher in completeness and can be drop in replacements with issues cropping up in the rarest of circumstances. Usually demoscene stuff.
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/MiSTer

>>7686382
SuperStar is 95% and up? Is that actually true or are you estimating? I genuinely had no idea, 95% and up is just a straight up clone, that's like, 1CHIP SNES accuracy isn't it? Official revisions are often not even that accurate, right? Why do people shit on FPGA accuracy so much if we're already at 95%+ accuracy for so many things?

>>7686390
>Why do people shit on FPGA accuracy so much if we're already at 95%+ accuracy for so many things?
Poorfags and ignoramuses, basically.

>>7686390
Estimation, like I said there's always weird edge cases that crop up. Many of these cores can even connect with legitimate hardware which is basically the ultimate litmus test. Also, people are really tech illiterate.

>>7686404
But you'd say for sure SuperStar is most likely 90%+?
>>7686396
I just wish this game didn't have as much grinding, or at least had an arcade mode that made it closer to Shadow Over Mystara

>>7686409
Yes. It syncs up near 1:1

>>7686328
>inferior hardware

Sadly the inferior hardware has a ddr3 controller with better bandwidth ... But it should be still possible to port it.

how much is a fully assembled mister-system, with ioboard and 128mb sdram and whatever else there is nice to have?

>>7686928
Depends on where you buy it and how much you want to wait for the shipping. + Tax and shipping costs

>>7686928
My poor man's setup was like ~200€, but I still need a nice case solution and I bought my stuff early 2020 since then the price for the de-10 nano increased but the price for the SDRAM and IO board decreased on aliexpress.

>>7686962
based Conrad-tschäd

>>7686928
with all possible expansion-stuff and case and shit, $300ish?

Mister on Arcade1up LCD vs PVM lag test

>>7686409
They're tested to insane levels of scrutinity. People record TAS runs on oficial consoles and play them back in MiSTer looking for desyncs. The cores must sync 1:1. They also mus interface with real hardware peripherals accurately, for example the GB core can link and communicate with a real GB as well as use stuff like the GB printer.

>>7687495
I think the best test you can make regarding the input lag with the MISTer, it's to play a game that requires strict timing reaction, like punch out on nes.
Then you switch to software emulation and see if you can reproduce the same performance.

>>7687791
Battletoads bole stage specifically is near impossible on emulation.

>>7685876
There is...
https://misterbits.fwscart.com/product_preview/p7501893_20714892.aspx

>>7685876
Vga and hdmi covers the most use cases. You can convert both to pretty much anything you need.

So the joke is that it’s the same photo every time right? Meaning one person actually has one is and is desperately pushing it to no effect?

Use this one next time OP.

>>7688015
Looking nice! Where is this from?

>>7688015
Nope.

>>7678226
Cringe thread?

>>7688023
From the discord. Could probably find other good ones on mister wallpaper threads.

>>7688050
Well now that you're here :)

>>7687959
We've had different photos in the OP.

>>7687791
If you're emulating on Retroarch with all the input mitigation options checked things will be so close it's probably not possible to feel any difference. Retroarch loses by 1 frame at most but usually less.

>>7688051
Do you have this one without the logo? Compliment to the guy/girl who made the wallpapers.

>>7688180
Sadly no. I don't think they ever posted it without the logo. It's tiled so wouldn't be that hard to fix up in gimp or something. Also, more wallpapers.
https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=118

>>7685876
>composhit
>s-video
gross

>>7688104
Those were not official MiSTer generals. The official MiSTer general will always have my coomlection.jpg as the photo.

>>7688180

>>7688448
Thanks

Nt mini noir just arrived

>>7687959
shut up bitch

>>7688448

>>7686339
>and staring at that 75.28% and just thinking "byuu gave us this"

I wouldn't go that far. Byuu didn't write the FPGA core. Byuus emulation work, documentation & source was very much instrumental in getting the FPGA core made but it still had to be done from scratch.

>>7688448
Cute

Do MiSTer cores support chd fils?
Wondering if I should finally convert my CD-equipped console libraries to save space.

>>7690457
Yes they do and you should.

>>7690464
Thanks. Will do.
My collection sits around 2TB, I wonder how much space this'll save.

>>7690470
It'll cut it down by 25-50%

HipSTer

C64:
- OSD option to reset disk drives.
- SID: simulate DAC floating input (fix for sampled music).
- Add DigiMax.

>>7684915
All this does it explain why the SNES doesn't play nice with straight 60.00hz screens, MiSTer will have the exact same problem unless you turn on triple buffering and re-introduce all the input lag that you just lost by using an FPGA. Bsnes now has dynamic rate control as does Retroarch so it's a complete non issue, it's also a non issue for the Super NT which also has a 60.00hz compatability mode turned on by defalt. Those modes are innaccurate, what Higan does isn't, as is clearly explained in what you posted.

>>7690978
The "just speed it up/slow it down to 60hz" meme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgqFhfmlSLg

>>7690934
Or you could just play the MiSTrer on:
- A 144hz+ PC gaming monitor that's dime-a-dozen at this point (3-5ms lag).
- The LG C9/CX OLED that are 120hz with no ghosting, perfect blacks, CRT like contrast and have the least amount of lag of all the big screen TVS (7ms lag).
- Or just get a CRT that people are literally looking to throw in the trash and will gladly give away for free (0ms lag).

It's a literal non-issue unless your an idiot or live in a shithole country, at which point the MiSTer sadly is above your station in life and WTF are you even doing here acting like your cope take is relevant in any of this in the first place?

>>7691068
This was meant for >>7690978 obviously.

>>7690995
It’s an option if you don’t have a VRR monitor or CRT. The problem is the consoles refresh rate, not Higan.

MiSTer is not retro.

>>7691278
same time every day

>>7691304
Ok, will do.

>>7690995
Wait state emulation has nothing to do with the refresh rate lol

I refuse to support this thing because of smokemonster looking like a greaseball degenerate fatfuck.

>>7691318
Jitter is not my problem lol

>>7691376
Finally, a valid argument. Nearly all retro "e-celebs" are cringe as fuck.

>>7691318
>>7691272

>Speed up or slow down the emulation
>Introduce jitter to the emulation

Chose one ...
Option one seems less painful unless you only play RPG's.

Emutrannies seething.

>>7691479
Accuracy is a meme, nobody cares

>>7691459
So we agree that Higan isn’t the issue but the HTDV’s people are using with that and MiSTer or whatever. Cool.

>>7691501
No because audio and video sync issues have fuck all to do with HDTVs. They are out of sync even if you have no tv.

>>7691485

>>7691485
>>7691501

Looks like he is giving up

>>7691485
I care

>>7691072
Was about to say, I'm just providing updates.

>>7691501
Nope, but nice try.

I can't mount this mister SD card in freebsd, what's the filesystem for the mister image?

>>7691961

Can someone send me a mister sd card image with the updater script already on it? So I can just turn the thing on with an ethernet cable plugged in without having to worry about it

>>7691961
>>7691989
Just follow the instructions:

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki/Setup-Guide#prepare-the-sd-card

Once you've got the SD card set up, add the 'update all' script to the scripts folder and run it:

https://github.com/theypsilon/Update_All_MiSTer

>>7692147
I can't mount it dude, my computer won't recognize it

>>7692152
You can FTP into it when it's mounted in your Mister if that would be easier

https://www.jamesfmackenzie.com/2021/01/31/mister-fpga-network-access-and-copying-files/

>>7691376
He's better than all the autist fat fucks with consoles on shelves behind them.

He's retired from streaming anyways. He could give a fuck if you use it or not.

>>7691376
>>7691406
Smokemonster did a lot of work collating and curating all the Everdrive packs (even making them available to download in their entirety at one point), long before he started streaming. And when he did start streaming it was to provide an information service to the community, not for e-fame.

What the fuck have you done?

>>7692359
>Nearly all retro "e-celebs" are cringe as fuck.

Not had "smokemonster" in mind while writing this but more the guy with the realy ugly teeth and some other manchilds.

>What the fuck have you done?

Hardware design and firmware development ...

What have you done except from crying around about someone being rude on the internet?

>>7692621
Tell us about your larpware.

>>7692667
Sure, my larpware I am working on now is not available on github jet.

My previous larpware that I developed was pain in the ass because of the USB 2.0 specification combined with the manual oft the used microcontroller.

I even used a VID/PID from another product but psssst don't tell anyone.

Nothing wrong with "ecelebs" in the retro gaming world, my favorite is the digital foundry guy, His FFVII special was great.

>>7692691
What these guys do is compile information and distribute it in ways that are easy to digest (wiki articles, succinct newspieces, step-by-step "how to" guides, videos that explain concepts or compare different products with lots of examples).
That's a valuable service. Yeah some of them are "ugly", but their work is more important than other ecelebs that are just a prettier face which passively reacts to things.

>>7692667
Here is another larpware tipp ... The PCB I am working on rn would cost more than 2$ on JLCPB and this is not due to the lead free Version to be RoHS compliant.

>>7692621
>>7692690
>>7692758
Here's a tip for you mate, this is /MG/ the MiSTer general and not /you/ the faggot blog general.
STFU and fuck off yeah?

Anon with the audio issues in the previous thread:
Even with toslink and a DAC I'm still getting clipping, although it has resolved the loud popping noise upon core selection.

Might need to ask for advice on the official forums, but I'll do more testing first because thus far I've only confirmed it on the GBA core.

>>7692745
I still fail to see what relevance their appearance has to do with retro gaming. All they need to do is be kempt. I'm there to get info on old games, not to jack off.

>>7692359
>>7692834

>What have you done except from crying around about someone being rude on the internet?

I'll guess being a useless piece of shit that sucks "e-celeb" dicks.

>>7693447
You can set the master volume on the "left" screen of the menu. The volume is slightly different between core's.

>>7693478
Yeah, I tried adjusting that to be 100% sure, but it's actually an issue with the audio signal itself being out of spec.
My GameCube did something similar which I fixed with in-line attenuators (and I even tried with the IO aux output) but no such luck.

>>7693487
Is there a game + core where the clipping appears early or even better in the intro?

>>7693494
Thinking on it, Mother 3 has a sound test menu if I recall. Looks like my romset for GBA doesn't include a copy but I'll grab it now and look for something that causes the issue. Will report back by tomorrow.
Thanks.

>>7693447
step 1: accept that you will never pass.

>>7691507
They have everything to do with it, that’s why the wiki entry exists, next time have a clue about what you are reading before posting.

>>7693878
>next time have a clue about what you are reading before posting

okay

>Speed up or slow down the emulation
>Introduce jitter to the emulation

Chose one ...

>>7693878
>>7693918

And here is another one ... No matter how hard you try you are not going to be able to bypass the audio buffer of your PC.

>>7693918
Choose sync to audio so you get the correct speed, then use VRR or a CRT so the lack of vsync doesn’t matter. Correct speed, no jitter, not an issue with Higan but the monitor refresh and them wanting to use vsync.

>>7693942
Port audio is essentially lagless.

>>7693494
Okay so I checked the Sound Test menu in Mother 3. Unfortunately it only plays BGM, not sound effects (which would have been more likely to produce the issue); flicking through quickly, the only track that produces the issue- at least in the first few seconds, is #152. The first two notes sound like a glockenspiel being hit and it produces the clipping.

>>7693989
Sorry, pardon the semantic satiation.

>>7693950
>CRT so the lack of vsync doesn't matter
I'm not sure about this. It's been a while, but I remember needing to vsync everything when I had a CRT else I'd get horrible tearing.

>>7690457
>>7690464
Thanks for the CHD tip!
I can fit my Sega CD and PC engine CD collection on my microSD card now.

>>7693996
This.
Or is this just due to that the application runs in window mode?
Isn't the OS/GPU restricting the refresh rate unless you use freesync/gsync?

Don't get me wrong emulation is still a nice thing, but sometimes you need other the tools to reach the goal you have in mind.

>>7693996
The guy you are replying to is retarded.

>>7693989
Going to check it later anon.
If you have the time and equipment try to run the audio trough Audacity (https://www.audacityteam.org/)) and check the audio for clipping right from the headphone jack.
Probably this is a topic for a GitHub issue.

Some dev's are pushing the audio levels too far ;^) -> https://twitter.com/topapate/status/1349413126576418817

>>7693996
If that tears then so will MiSTer or real hardware, it’s not Higan’s fault.

>>7694037
The average 60.00hz screen creates an issue with the SNES refresh rate and that isn’t just a problem for software emulation.

ZX Spectrum:
- Fix show effect (snow test passed).
- Some refactoring and tweaks for ports access (timings test passed).
- Option to enable mouse and select L/R buttons swap.
- Updated T80.

>>7694126
True, but that has nothing to do with software emulators struggling to sync audio & video. As I said earlier, the sync issue happens before any signal is sent to a screen. It's just the nature of serial processing, which IS just a problem for software emulation.

>>7694116
>>7694126

Not true ... the worst thing that happens on the mister is that an LCD just refuses to show the signal because the sync signal is too odd. Some TV's/Displays are more tolerant some are less.
DoDonPachi in this case is not playable on most LCD's without speeding the game clock up or introducing a buffer that adds up input lag. (don't know if this is true for freesync capable LCD's)
SNES and the most other 16bit cores are not too off, so most screens are quite happy without the need of buffering.

Tearing is caused by writing in the frame buffer while the buffer gets drawn on the screen.
This is due to the nature of how a GPU on a PC works.
The only core that I can think of that has maybe a frame buffer by designe is the ao486 core, but I'm not 100% sure about this.

>>7694197
This is why I wouldn't recommend using vsync/triple buffering in competitive games on the PC.
I would rather prefer less input lag instead of a tearing free screen.

>>7685876

Composite and S-video adapter for MiSTer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU41X9_zcbQ

>>7694116
That's not true, MiSTer doesn't need VSync, it outputs like a real console would without framebuffer. Not like a PC GPU.

>>7694197
And remember the buffer on the mister is optional and can be turned on or off for compatibility reasons on the PC there is no way around it. (Still not 100% sure about freesync/gsync)

>>7694207
The mister puts out a vsync signal but I know what you are trying to say. :^)

>>7694006
>being poor

>>7694296
I have a 4TB usb drive ready with the full saturn and PS1 set on it also but Id rather not use it if I dont need to.

>>7694307
Stop being poor.

>>7694185
Strong single core performance makes up for the lack of serial processing, hasn’t stopped anything being emulated in software if the devs are competent enough.

>>7694197
Not true, my HDTV shows the SNES image from MiSTer but has jitter and horrible screen tearing just the same as the PC without vsync does. To stabilise that you need to use the triple buffer option, then it feels worse than retroarch lol.

>>7694484
Low latency vsync nigga.

>>7694484
Yeah there's no point using MiSTer if you can't use the low latency mode. Might as well just use Retroarch at that point.

Luckily newer TVs work very well with the low latency modes, in general everything that plays well with an OSSC should be fine.

I'd recommend getting a VGA CRT and adding scanlines if you can't buy a newer TV.

>>7694484
I had jittering in SNES and NES cores until I updated my MiSTer menu. Saw there were some video related changes in the latest versions. Samsung Q60R TV.

>>7694474
No it doesn't, hence the sync issues. I don't know how many times I will have to repeat that point.

I just noticed they added new filters, but I'm not sure what's the difference with the others.

Like there is a "hires core filters" and under it you have things like hires gaussian sharp or 2x scanlines, the same filters can be found on other directory though, is that filters for people using hd resolution ?

Also in the game boy core, there is a "frame blend" option and I have no idea what's supposed to do.

>>7694563
Some GB games will flash an image or background repeatedly at times to fake transparency, this only worked because the GB's response time was awful. Frame blend just makes that work as intended.

>>7694509
There is no sync issue, just screens that aren’t compatible. I don't know how many times I will have to repeat that point

>>7694689
And yet the documentation clearly states that there is a sync issue.

>>7694206
I ended up buying this thing, but, fuck, why this isn't standard is beyond me.

>>7694702
“If your display’s refresh rate exactly matches the emulated console’s, games play at the correct speed and everything’s fine. However, modern 60Hz displays do not always match the emulated console’s refresh rate”

All that faq section does is explain to the average 60.00hz screen user why that refresh causes problems, it’s entirely created by the users screen refresh rate. Any sync problems are because of the user’s screen, something that is clearly explained in that article on multiple occasions. Higan isn’t the problem.

>>7694784
Because individuals are making these things and they need to be able to move product without losing money on excess stock. The IO boards only have so much space for ports and what they'd have to give up for composite and s video just isn't worth it. You can sample vga and hdmi down, but you can't sample composite and s video up. Making converters that bring down hdmi/vga to other standards just makes more business as you'd have to buy an entirely new board if you suddenly realized you wanted vga instead.

>>7694784
It's already out of stock, so you got lucky grabing one.

>>7694841
Indeed, then it goes on to say that Higan's attempt to rectify this creates bigger issues, issues MiSTer doesn't have. Thanks for playing.

>>7694784
>why this isn't standard is beyond me.
Because most of the market isn't even using MiSTer on CRTs like they should be.

Of the few who are, most are using it on VGA monitors for the sake of 31khz computer support, so they certainly don't need composite or S-video. The rest are using it on 15khz displays.

Anyone outside of America has easy access to RGB SCART, and conversion is trivial via BNC. Lots of people in America bought PVMs for next to nothing before the youtubers caught on and hiked up the ebay prices, so all you're left with is a small subset of American zoomers who can't afford TVs with RGB input, and aren't smart enough to mod in RGB support.

So you go from 30% of the market, to 10%, and finally down to maybe 5%, worst case scenario. Hardly even worth developing a board for.

>>7694180
Heh, Sorg got triggered by somebody creating their own new Speccy core just because the official one did not pass 100% of hardware tests (irrelevant to end users), so he went out and improved the official core to pass these tests.

>>7694484
>jitter and horrible screen tearing
>lol

I don't even have to guess who have posted this but why don't I give u a chance.
Post a pic with the MiSTer next to the screen with a timestamp or even better a vid while the "horrible screen tearing" happens.
Shouldn't be a hard task because it seems so problematic "lol".

>>7694490
Kinda agree. No one should play any game with triple buffering.

>>7695286
kek

>>7694954
>RGB
Only problem is that the graphics of every system before 6th gen are designed to look right using composite video signal and cables, to the extent they base the visuals around it's artifacts to create colors and the illusion of resolution than the system is capable of.

There seems to be an overwhelming inability or refusal to acknowledge this simple, well documented, easily illustratable and observable fact. I guess the cottage industry of RGB cables and console mods e-celeb influencer campaigns really are effective on semi-autustic idiots.

Anyways, that means the logical conclusion would rather be to skip RGB in favor for composite on the analog board if the $15 tops it would cost extra is such an gargantuan issue.

BTW, your post is so full of dumb shit lets just take a look at some of the highlights:

>most are using it on VGA monitors
No, most are using it on whatever CRT they can get their hands on, which most likely are small shitty 4:3 consumer sets with RCA as the highest available input.
>so all you're left with is a SMALL SUBSET of American zoomers who can't afford TVs with RGB input
>SMALL SUBSET
No, and you illustrate why yourself it in the very same sentence you fucking idiot.
>that means 30% to 10% or maybe %5 of the market can use composite so it's not worth it
Really gonna need a source on that besides the false narrative you just spun from your ass that just got debunked.
It's rather the completely other way around, every CRT TV can do RF/composite and very few NTSC (which outnumber PAL as a standard) sets can do RGB.

You're the kind of cunts that ensured it took 20 years before there was somewhat a consensus about 4:3 stretched pixels on consumer sets, and now you're at it again with this RGB faggotry.

>>7695342
Not him but I disagree with ->

>No, most are using it on whatever CRT they can get their hands on, which most likely are small shitty 4:3 consumer sets with RCA as the highest available input.

I don't know how the situation looks like in the US or elsewhere but in the EU most of the CRT TV's are gone (at least in the western area).

Many people still have their old PC's in the basement or attic. Rn its easy to source a VGA monitors for free instead of a CRT TV at least the last time I have looked.

And because most consoles spit out a 15khz signal no one is really interested in old VGA monitors except people with an upscalers.

But I also agree that composite video isn't that bad and has its own charm or "not such a soulless picture".

>>7695342
>>Only problem is that the graphics of every system before 6th gen are designed to look right using composite video signal and cables, to the extent they base the visuals around it's artifacts to create colors and the illusion of resolution than the system is capable of.
This is true for a few systems, and for only a few games on those systems. Commonly, composite effects were used to maybe improve full screen title sprites, and do faux transparency effects. I find it funny how the big one people tout is Sonic, but by 3 they'd replaced the shield with a clear bubble anyway.

Also, the MiSTer has a composite filter option, rendering any complaint about the connector pointless, because you can emulate composite and it looks better than real composite because it doesn't have the RF noise.

>most are using it on whatever CRT they can get their hands on, which most likely are small shitty 4:3 consumer sets with RCA as the highest available input.
Again, this is only the case in America. And the MiSTer was originally intended as a form of PC preservation, console cores came later and are ultimately secondary.

I'm sorry you were born in a dogshit country. I'm also sorry you're too fucking stupid to learn how to pick up a soldering iron. But neither of these are reasons to put shitty sub-par video connectors on a product, they should be optional garbage for idiots like yourself.

>>7695342
You can take a vga signal and convert it to composite and s video you mong. If you're only going to have one analog connector vga is pretty much the best one.

>>7695342
>they base the visuals around it's artifacts to create colors and the illusion of resolution than the system is capable of

The only system that frequently used composite to its advantage in that way is the Genesis.

Also, if you're in it for the arcade cores, including Neo Geo, you 100% want to be using RGB

I personally do the scanline and 25% composite for all my CRT games. I think it blends just enough to look good to my eyes.

>>7695342
>>7695393
I live in Northern-Europe and PC CRT monitors are impossible to find around here, as they got chucked out with the event of LCD monitors becoming a thing WAY BEFORE most people had changed out their living/bed/hobby/cellar-room CRT TVs. CRTs you can still pick up for free just going to electronics scrap drop-off points, it's so common that there where cases of African "entrepreneurs" doing just this and filling up cargo-containers that got shipped to Africa and sold there.

>only a few games relied on composite artifacting
Nope, in fact only a few probably didn't. It's just not the water fall in Sonic, in almost every game you see adjacent checkerboard pixels, those are meant to be blended into a smooth seamless gradient and not be a cheese grater to your eyes. Lot's of this in SNES and arcade games of the period, and the now infamous PS1 dithering? Wasn't an issue back then since we all used the pack-in composite cable.

>MiSTer intended for PC preservation
Nope, but Amiga and Atari ST COMPUTERS yes, however I NEVER EVER saw an Amiga in the 90s with anything other than the RF Modulator box hooked up to a CRT and they where VERY popular here.

>Genesis and some arcade cores have composite filters
Those look nothing like an analog composite video signal, AT ALL. It's strange since Blarg's NTCS filters nailed the look back in the late 90s with ZSNES etc on a fucking Pentium II.

>console cores are secondary
Not for the wast majority of those who now own a MiSTer and will be the ones paying for the analog IO board

>composite video isn't that bad
Indeed, and especially if you don't use absolute shit RCA cables. With decent cables it should be pretty much unnoticeable on a CRT other than the fact that the composite picture would give the illusion of HIGHER resolution and more colors, "just like the developers intended".

The purpose of FPGA preservation is accuracy, playing the NES etc via VGA ain't it.

>>7695420
Nope, completely wrong on all counts.
Every 4th gen system and arcade used checkerboard pixel blending . Also not every revision Neo Geo has shit composite, even some RGB revision had worse video than the best composite ones. I have both a decent composite rev AES and a decent RGB rev AES, I always play the composite one since it looks the best.

>>7695570
>PC CRT monitors are impossible to find
Sometimes I wish a meteor would just come and kill us all, I do not want to live in this fallen CRT void era.

>>7694615
Thanks for the explanation, right now I'm playing Wario Land 1, sometimes enemy sprites flicker or even some parts disappear, I'm not sure if this is accurate emulation, I noticed it only appears when many sprites are on the screen, tried to fix it with frame blend, didn't work, I think we need something like the option "sprite limit" I've seen on other core ?

>>7695689
I think BowWow's chain on Link's Awakening is a good example of where the blending should work

>>7693989
Sry for letting you wait, had to set up the mister next to my PC. Still need to find the right cable for audio. I hope that I can run the audio trough audacity tomorrow and check for clipping.

>>7695689
Yeah that's intended.

>>7695694
Will play it, but still debating if I should go for the OG or the DX version.

>>7695981
I watched some let's play video on youtube to see if they had the same behavior, since almost all of them play this with emulation, but didn't see it, maybe they have option to make sprites consistent or it is by default and nobody complaining.
Either way it's not a huge deal breaker to be honest and at least now I can say how exactly was the OG game.

>>7695838
So far you have been the only one I saw with those weird audio issues, I think it's more likely an hardware than software.
I don't know how many addon boards you are using, but have you tried this : take one addon board each time and retry or you can do the opposite and start with a barebone de 10 nano and add a new board every time you try, maybe the issue is coming from one of the board and you can isolate it by doing this.

Defender
- Add pause
- Reduce audio volume

>>7697528
Which level in Wario Land was that? I can test on Super GameBoy and GBC.

>paying $250+ for a fucking emulator
you can't make this shit up

>>7697690
>>7697528
>>7693989
>>7693487

Okay so I have finally found the time to test it and I can confirm the "Audio pop" while changing cores and I can confirm the clipping over the 3.5 mm audio jack.

I don't had any issues while I had the audio running over HDMI, but I must be honest, that my TV speakers aren't that great.

Can't test toslink jet because I don't have an adapter for the audio jack.

If you want to try it out yourself -> Metal Slug X the second level. Very early in the stage the mummy spit out flying bugs (see pic). While shooting the bugs you can hear the clipping very clearly over the audio jack.

Anyone knows if toslink is affected too?
Probably it's time for a bug report, so the audio levels gets lower to avoid clipping over the audio jack.

>>7694048
>>7695838
>>7697731
No trouble at all, thanks for going to these lengths on my behalf. Bit busy at the moment but I'll aim to report back within 24 hours; however it's sounding at this point like the core developers have accidentally permitted too much gain in the system, which yeah will need to be cited as a bug report and fixed in an update.

>>7697703
tons of people paid 500 for emulating just a NES a few days ago.
expect the unexpected.

>>7697690
Mt Tea Pot, course No 9, it's starting to glitch only if three or more of those sprites appears on the screen at the same time, the best way to reproduce it, is by pushing them down from their platforms to ground level, I just did it with four of them and their sprites started to glitch hard.
By the way in other levels too sometimes enemy sprites starts to flicker and it was also when there were three or more them on the screen, though only on the level 9 I've seen literally part of the sprite disappear, maybe it's because they are bigger ?

>>7697731
I was using toslink +dac/amp+ headphone before switching to hdmi audio and there was no issue of sound popping when I changed cores.

>>7697731
I wonder if the clipping is because the line level output is so low to begin with, so they jacked it up to max.

I know it was straight up unplayable without some form of amplification, plugging headphones directly in left most cores far too quiet. If they cut the volume any more to avoid clipping, the dudes using headphone output will get mad.

>>7697882
I can confirm this. My mister is hooked up to my dac amp combo(SMSL ad18) through both toslink and hdmi passthrough. No hiss of popping when changing cores on either output.

>>7697747
IMO it sounds to me that something is up with YOUR audio setup.

WonderSwan core confirmed in development.

>>7698029
How are they planning on dealing with the 75hz framerate? That doesn't work well on many displays.

>>7698029
this guy banged out the lynx with save states and fast forward / rewind in a matter of a few months so ... After this I guess the only remaining console anyone cares about still not on MiSTer is the NGPC, which I'm sure someone will work on at some point.

>>7698038
From the Lynx core github which this guy also did:
Refresh Rate
Lynx uses custom refresh rates from ~50Hz up to ~79Hz. Some games switch between different modes. To compensate you can either:

live with tearing
Buffer video: triple buffering for clean image, but increases lag
Sync core to 60Hz: Run core at exact 60Hz output rate, no matter what internal speed is used

>>7698041
Apparently WonderSwan shares its CPU (NEC V30) with a bunch of high profile Irem arcade boards. It would be neat if one thing leads to another.

>>7697873
As stupid as it sounds, but some consoles can only display a fixed number of sprites in a row. The flickering is a trick to show more sprites than possible by turning one off and another on.
That's what the "Remove sprite limit" option is for in many cores.

>>7697898
>I wonder if the clipping is because the line level output is so low to begin with, so they jacked it up to max.

This

If this jack is really only for line level then an AMP is required, so it shouldn't be a problem to lower it.

Wonderswan core has begun development.

>>7678337
>he doesn't play on an Xstation

>>7698247
Post a timestamped picture of your larpstation.

>>7698247
> he doesn't load up Tony hawk and pop shove it over the arbitrary code execution gap

>>7697873
>>7698063

Yeah that's exactly what it is. It happens when you get there of these guys on screen at the same time, one of them wil flash like that.

>>7697747
I ran the audio from Metal Slug X (full volume in the sound menu) trough Audacity over the 3.5 mm jack.
There is some intense clipping going on and the waveform looks a bit like trash.

Looks like the analog audio out is more like a nice "hack" than a serious audio out solution.

I can only recommend using the digital options (toslink/hdmi) for the best audio experience and ask in the forum if there is a way to lower the core volume or report the clipping to the devs.

But the first step would be to search in the forum if someone else mentioned the problem.

>>7697747
>>7698337

It's "me" again. I probably found a solution to your problem.
I tried to lower the core volume which ended up very quiet, but there was no clipping!
Sadly there is a "hiss" on the analog audio out so at this level its pretty unusable but over toslink lowering the core audio could solve your problem without having the "hiss" on the audio line.

Here is the other waveform for reference.

>Commodore PET core has no disk drive support
fuck this gay earth

Cringe.

>>7698452
omg bro this is such cringe the cringe is real i cant believe how cringe this is why did you think it was a good idea to post this cringe you look so stupid right now holy cringe this is cringe i wish you knew how cringe this was if you knew how cringe this was you wouldnt have posted this cringe this is literally the most cringe thing i have ever seen and ive seen some cringe let me tell you about the cringe i literally cant believe how cringe this is why would anyone ever post something so cringe cringe is not good cringe is cringe how could you not tell this was cringe i did some cringe once but at least i knew it was cringe do you even know what cringe is holy cringe the cringe i just cant believe you would post something this cringe le cringe has arrived rage comics werent this cringe this is some serious cringe i hope you realise how cringe this is so you never post something this cringe again this is going in my cringe folder to cringe at never post cringe again its too cringe i hope you now know how cringe this is its so cringe

>>7698461
crised

>>7698063
Then it is strange we don't have the same option for the game boy core, since it was not there I thought the game boy didn't have the same issue, maybe it's for later.

>>7698307
Thanks for checking !

>>7698637
Maybe it's not there for accuracy reasons, I don't know. I like to play with all the flickering and slowdown exactly the same as the original.

>>7698452
Same time every day

>>7698637

Oh sorry, I think you misunderstood me. The remove sprite limit option is available in some cores not all cores. Didn't know that the GB one don't have this option available but yeah maybe in the future.

MiSTer can load roms and shit off of a USB right? no problem?

>>7698920
yeah

Mister? more like shitser

>>7698920
Yeah. Just replicate the games folder at the root of your USB.

I got it all up and running, just waiting on my I/O pack now, but it's such a beauty, and I can just add things from FTP, I'm so happy, I wanna study all the old computer stuff I can get my hands on, it's so cool

>>7698062
More than likely. The more interchangeable pieces there are out there the easier it is to make a core.

>>7700127
Many computer cores and some console cores don't even need the I/O and SDRAM. GBA, Genesis, TG16, Commodore 64, you only need the DE10-Nano for those.

>>7700135
I know, I've been trying these, the computers confuse me though, I can't seem to get games working, I load them and reset and just nothing

I didn't know GBA though, neat

>>7700197
oh one more thing, I got some USB female to female converters off amazon to use my usb controllers until my IO shit gets here, the micro usb port works just fine, I use the cord that came with it, the female to female, and then my controller, but both mini USB ports won't recognize anything, any ideas? I want to be able to have two things hooked up at once

>>7700207
only the micro USB port works. You need a microUSB hub. or at least a microUSB adapter to regular USB hub. Powered hub ideally.

>>7700283
what are the mini usb ports for then?

>>7700301
FPGA programming/debugging stuff I assume.

>>7687959
It's obviously falseflagging from a really butthurt emulator autist. It's probably that guy who thinks people are on the payroll to shill products from the "misteraddons company". Really pathetic behavior desu

>>7700756
It's obviously not.

>>7700787
>It's obviously not.
Anybody who is that obsessed with aggressively shill a product in such a inane manner is someone who doesn't actually own a mister. We're all preoccupied with enjoying the hobby and discussing what's coming down the road. I've been on /vr/ since it launched and I absolutely know that over the past few years especially there are some really pathetic people who make the same threads over and over again. They say autistic people are intolerant of change and difference, but judging from the constant shitposting in mister threads and the deliberate cross-posting from the "coomlection" guy it really seems that everyone on this board is autistic or just really fucking ignorant.

>>7700797
>They say autistic people are intolerant of change
>Why is someone doing something I don't like?

Do you even realise how batshit insane your conspiracy theory is?

>>7700809
>Do you even realise how batshit insane your conspiracy theory is?
A normally adjusted person would accept that something isn't for them and move on.
>c-conspiracy!
Mister threads are 90% shitposting drowning out the actual 10% discussion. You fuckers need to get a life.

>>7700816
>A normally adjusted person would accept that something isn't for them and move on.
>Mister threads are 90% shitposting drowning out the actual 10% discussion. You fuckers need to get a life.

Is this your farewell to the troops?

>>7700825
Looks like the falseflagger took the bait and has revealed himself. You're deranged, seek mental help.

>>7700895
No bait was required Columbo, a child could establish that I am OP just by looking at the board. The question is: why are you, a normally adjusted person, still hanging around in threads full of shitposting?

>>7700920
>I am OP
>The question is: why are you, a normally adjusted person, still hanging around in threads full of shitposting?

Yeah, every other thread is free from shit posting. You should go back.

Besides the shit posting the "10%" are still worth it. Based people that can help out with questions. So thx again to the anon who posted the link last thread.

Try harder faggot.

>>7700953
>every other thread is free from shit posting
You clearly haven't read any of my posts then. Shitposting is the whole point of this website, isn't it?

>>7700973
>Shitposting is the whole point of this website, isn't it?

If your life is that boring that you have nothing else to do? Sure why not.

>>7700985
I mean, that's actually pretty accurate. This website is a timesink and a source of amusement for me.

>>7700953
I'm glad you get value from my threads. You'll be pleased to know that I will be making many more of them and they will all have my coomlection.jpg right at the top. I look forward to you contributing more plebbit spaced chimp outs to them.

>>7701016
(You) can count on me. The Best advertisement service I have ever had for free.

>>7678226
if you dont play on real hardware you did not by any means of the word play the game in the way it was intended

>>7701051
If I wanted to play on real hardware I wouldn't have sold my rotting plastic at great profit to coomlectors.

>>7701016
Don't get me wrong the first time I found out about the MiSTer was one of thous threads some time ago. From a technical point of view this thing is great but still have some problems. Producing the hardware around isn't that profitable because chinks are pushing the price down which is kinda a good thing for the users and a bad thing for non chink resellers but as long as you're keeping shilling in these threads with controversy theories it's a win-win-win situation. You can keep "trolling" around and shill for free, I can keep some sales for an okay price for the user and me and the extra interest around the MiSTer pushes the price further down for open source hardware which new users profiting from.

>>7701016
Don't get me wrong the first time I found out about the MiSTer was one of thous threads some time ago.
From a technical point of view this thing is great but still have some problems.
Producing the hardware around isn't that profitable because chinks are pushing the price down which is kinda a good thing for the users and a bad thing for non chink resellers but as long as you're keeping shilling in these threads with controversy theories it's a win-win-win situation.
You can keep "trolling" around and shill for free, I can keep some sales for an okay price for the user and me and the extra interest around the MiSTer pushes the price further down for open source hardware which new users profiting from.

>>7701062
>>7701064
lol

>>7698337
>>7698403
Okay I tried Metal Slug 2 and encountered the clipping. Lowering the volume fixed it on the Neo Geo core, however the GBA audio is still distorted no matter what. Maybe it's just the GBA core that's borked?
I haven't set up Audacity yet but I'll probably do some more testing, check the forums, and present it as a bug report if all else fails.
Once again I really appreciate you going to all this trouble on my behalf. Thank you very much.

>>7697971
I've tried different speakers, I've tried the analogue I/O output, I've tried stripping the audio from the HDMI signal using a DAC - testing both aux and toslink output, and I'm using the direct I/O board toslink output now. Since toslink is a digital signal and I've tried all else, it means the problem is at a software level.

I love my MiSTer so much bros.

>>7701526
Same.

NES:
- Save states and pause (Robert Peip).
- Improvements to mapper 2 and other fixes (Greyrogue)
- Option to store custom palette.