/vr/ - Retro Games

>>8064317
Based Wata Games making us gamers richer and coomlectors poorer

We've known it for years. They're a bunch of crooks who got heavily fined for doing the exact same thing in the rare coin market.

I've already bought everything I wanted for very cheap in the early 2000s, plus all the stuff I alrady had from childhood in the late 80s and 90s.

>>8064317
coomlect? Nah I just use my rasberry pi

They also mule undumped prototypes with the help of Frank Cifaldi. I can't wait for the bubble to burst and everyone involved to be investigated because you know damn well good old franky has terabytes of child porn on his computer.

>>8064338
I hope you hve it plugged to a CRT, emu-kun.

>>8064357
crts take too much space

Is OP seriously presenting this as new information? Maybe there's one or two newbies reading this for the first time, but we've all watched the wata sealed games go for a million on heritage auction, we're not ignorant.

Although on second thought I guess it is worth talking about since most threads are just about prices alone.

Imagine actively collecting 30 year old mass-produced pieces of plastic. Imagine being such a boomer that you think emulation is worse.

Games collectors are uniquely stupid above any other hobby. They're literally like someone telling you that you can't listen to music on YouTube and the real way to listen to music is to buy the first edition vinyl from decades ago for $60. It's mental illness. Game collectors need help.

>>8064335
This nigger even *dresses* exactly like James. Why are collectors so cringe?

>>8064317
There's been suspicions about gaming this market for a while now. It was too strange and many people have proven that it was possible to manipulate. It was luring in faggots from comic and coin collecting and milking them dry.

Anyone who collects slabbed games is a cretin and at best ends up depriving a real enthusiast from enjoying the games as they were meant to. I encourage people to use roms and never support that market. Realistically It's all dust collecting trash anyway if you can't use it.

>>8064317
Nothing special, the price for something like that depends purely on the hype. Read some articles on diamonds, which have never been expensive naturally.

Stop the coomlecting, buy a flash cart today. Even a cheap Chinese piece of shit is better than supporting this.

>>8064338
Have fun with excessive freezing and inaccurate emulators.

>>8064317
No shit, Afrogramerdude, SilentRob and Karl have been exposing these fucking shills for awhile now.

WHERE IS THE VIDEO GAME MUSEUM JOHN HANDCOCK?

>>8064426
>inaccurate
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Imagine being such a faggot that some 0.00000001% innaccuracy ever matters to you playing some old kid's game out of nostalgia or to waste a half hour. People have weird ideas of these old games and what actually matters.

Anyone back in the day would have strangled to death ten faggots like you with their bare hands just to have a retropie set up and they'd sleep like a baby afterwards.

>>8064448
Are you the kid with the hernia or something?

Cody aka DsKoopa and his bitch Kelsey are fucking actual Jews trying to control and destroy the "retro" gaming industry with their fucking pawns like MetalJesusSucksDicks

The only people that genuinely care about original hardware seem to be speedrunners but that whole scene has been completely co-oped by undesirables .

>>8064426
Inaccurate emulation is almost always better than og hardware since it was usually so shit it couldn't even run properly half of the time

>>8064374
emulation just isnt the same to me. I'm probably younger than you.
I just can't do emulation. it feels like shit to me and i just dont want to play any games

>>8064426
Dude, old hardware crashes more than emulation. Emulation isn't even inaccurate, the word literally means clone or copy. Not only that, but emulation can display better resolutions and additional features. Enjoy being a clueless boomer loser, bro.

>>8064481
>>8064479
I had og hardware and emulators for years, the og hardware "feeling" is pure placebo effect mixed with nostalgia. I do not condone emulators nor og hardware, but from my years of side by side comparisons, there is no difference. You do have to know what you are doing and use the right emulators of course.

>>8064478
I hate speedrunners too I just don't like having to choose between smooth video, or the audio crackling and sounding like it's cutting itself off. I'm fine with Emulation I just hate the Raspberry Pi desu. /vr/ hyped it up and it's been one of my biggest cases of buyers remorse since the Xbox 360. Fucking thing can't even play the most primtive games without freezing up and forcing me to reboot it.

>>8064495
Which pi did you get? I've got a 3b+ with the expectation that I'd use the composite out to play gen 4 on one of my CRTs, and it works great for both genesis and snes.

>>8064495
I have never bought nor will ever use "all in one middle men emulation machines". Just do some basic research and get the emulators individually on a PC. Raspberry Pi's and the like are for brain dead console users who tend to play a game for about 10-20 minutes then get bored and never touch it again.

>>8064448
There's inaccuracy that doesn't matter, and there's a 1 in a 10^n chance that the emulated instruction gets executed earlier than the rest of the system changes state. If you take the number of state changes each second, you realize that if you are unlucky some loop can shift in that manner, and all then the whole game will break.

With emulation that tries to be fast enough, it's hard to guess which inaccuracy is which.

>>8064448
Mods sticky this

>>8064503
Pi4 with 4GB ram. It's been almost nothing but a headache. Most of the problems with it are gone now that my resolution is set lower, but it is still very prone to freezing and none of the SNES cores have smooth video AND accurate sound. Most of them have accurate sound but they all seem to have a lower framerate. The only one that plays smoothly has inaccurate sound, and it bugs the crap out of me to play with inaccurate sound, especially in 2D Mario games because the SFX in those games are so well known, it's like hearing a favorite song off key.

>>8064317
Also
>Deniz Kahn
Hahahaha, its the Jews, pure coincidence of course.

>>8064526
Are you using retropie, or lakka?

>>8064491
in my experience there is a difference though. I've run into games emulators just cant run at all

>>8064512
sounds like paranoia,i have beaten at least 50 different games in the last 20 years i've been emulating and never had a gamebreaking bug or anything like that happen to me because of the emulator,only bugs that already were on the games after searching online about them

>>8064408
>dresses himself up as the literal parody character

>>8064512
It's not 1999 anymore, there's some very accurate emulators out there.

>>8064491

i read this all the time but funny enough nobody names one fucking game

Imagine coomlecting rotting plastic like some kind of retard.

Imagine not just pirating everything.

>>8064574
>>8064586
Of course, if you were not involved in actual bug fixing, you just have it on a platter as users.

>>8064597
that is illegal

>>8064591
how is that any better? its more expensive than original hardware while also being a compromise and still emulation
its worse: emulation you pay for

>>8064609
>its more expensive than original hardware
Lie #1
>while also being a compromise
Lie #2
>and still emulation
Lie #3

Stop lying to yourself and stop being poor.

Karl exposing the jews. Fucking based.

>>8064628
but a mister is literally more expensive than original hardware
and at the end of the day a mister is just not the same. just another janky hacked up menu to play anonymous roms. its just not real

>>8064648
>but a mister is literally more expensive than original hardware
No it is not.

>>8064662
It is though its like hundreds of dollars when I can pick up a console for $50

>>8064338
I'm glad that there's so many different options for playing old games. Earthbound is expensive but I can just plain emulate it anyway.

>>8064371
More awareness about this scummy stuff is worth it.

>>8064664
>a console
>not 20+ consoles, arcades & micros

>>8064352
Cifaldi is a rock spider?

>>8064374
Games are games to me. Some want to collect them, fair enough, personally I'm good with emulation, flashcarts, and ports, and the ones I already have.
Kinda fucked to be building a massive speculator bubble like this to just Jew lots and lots of people though.

>>8064662
Yeah, this. It's cheaper, doesn't need to be recapped and stacks of cables and accessories for every system, don't need switch boxes, takes up less room and gives you way more options in one neat package that only grows more useful over time.

The mister lets me have every home computer and console in a space less than a shoebox. Even if you had a Nerd Room like AVGN you'd barely have the sapce to store it and forget having it all laid out and ready to go.

I love vintage hardware like anyone who grew up with it but there's a practical limit to the amount of junk you can keep around as you get older. I don't want to hoard everything like a madman.

>>8064674
Most people just want two or three or so. I don't need 20+ consoles, and if you know where to look you know where you can get those 2-3 consoles cheap.

>>8064675
Does that actually surprise you?

>>8064682
If you collected every console made since the NES it would not even fill up one large box.
I really have to wonder where these people come from. Retro collecting is totally trivial if you're not some insane spacecase who collects original boxes for everything + every game ever released for that console in the box + random promo shit and action figures

It's not hoarding at all. You can keep all that shit in one box and then just take one console out and play it and then put it away when you don't want to play any games for it anymore.
Especially when alot of these consoles share cables anyway

That whole 'i dont wanna be a hoarder' argument just seems silly, same as the 'rotting plastic' one for non disc based consoles

>>8064479
The only experience I had with this was NES games, and that's due to the way games are inserted into the system, making it really easy to accidentally put lateral leverage on the connector pins, damaging them over time (especially if you're a little kid who doesn't know this).

No other cartridge console does this, and for discs it's really easy to handle them with care. Now, there are some components in consoles and games which can wear with time and use, the previously mentioned NES connector pins are one, but you also have capacitors and save batteries. Generally though, 4th gen and earlier machines and games are often pretty simple to fix if something is wrong, either you can do it yourself if you have the tools and knowhow, or you can get someone else to do it for cheap.
5th gen can be trickier, what with CD drives and the N64's less than rugged analog stick, but there's ways to deal with that stuff too.

Retro hardware can be maintained without putting in really hard effort. Usually it works fine, but if it isn't, you can almost always fix it.

>>8064694
Is there a reason why Frank looks like and is a literal faggot?

>>8064706
maintaining or even modifying retro hardware is a fun hobby on its own to be honest. older stuff is comparably dead simple to fix while also being very reliable aside from disc stuff

>>8064694
Those eyes make me uncomfortable.

>>8064683
Those figments of your imagination can buy the 2 or 3 consoles they want. Then they can buy all the games, but let me guess, they only want 2 or 3 games. Then they can buy new pads and cables, but let me guess, they are happy using the 30 year old junk that came with the consoles. Then they can have them recapped, or let me guess, they can just ignore their 30 year old electronics falling apart. Then they can find a CRT or have the consoles modded, but let me guess, they already have one conveniently stored in the attic. Then they can blah blah blah. Meanwhile, I just hop on the internet and have everything I need in 5 minutes flat and it's all brand new.

"a console" Fucking LOL. Imagine being this poor and still being wrong.

>>8064724
There's really no arguing with people like this poster I am (You)ing. Most of them are probably either teenagers who are overly proud of discovering emulation and piracy or they are 35+ years old and they're terrified of looking out of touch so they overcompensate by being as obnoxious as a teenager.

Basically anyone who has a serious problem with people owning video games and hardware has some kind of strange stake in the race that you can't reason with.

>>8064574
I've had a few, but that's because I'm an idort who still uses ZSnes, still that's bugs which can be counted on one hand over a 20+ year period.

>>8064648
Doesn't that depend on what you want to emulate? Also you can run multiple different systems on that thing I think, and you can save money by building it yourself, since it uses off the shelf stufr.

>>8064317
it is known
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toN5NFr48T8&t=31s

>>8064317
I've been using them write off charitable contributions on my taxes. It turns out buying a shitty game for $5, having it graded at $500 and donating it to charity is a great way to cheat on taxes.

>>8064694
I feel like he is raping me in multiple dimensions

>>8064747
I can't really be too pissed at that, fuck taxes.

>>8064720
I do have an old NES which could need some new pins, wonder if it would be worth it to do that mod that lets you load games in straight, rather than that tilting carrier thing?

>>8064740
Im not dropping $200 on the board alone especially when a ram module is highly recommended and then i need a usb hub and probably a bunch of other addon shit if i want to use original controllers and then i need an enlosure and maybe a fan

>>8064734
>after shifting the goal posts didn't work he simply took his ball home with him

>>8064560

name one game then

>>8064374

yes, that's why they are collectards

>>8064724
Really reads like somebody spoiled by having everything they want at their fingertips at any time they want. Yeah, sure, emulation is convenient, I emulate systems I don't own on the wii and for my Saturn I use ODE. But fuck it, acting as if it's IMPLAUSIBLE that somebody doesn't want to own every single console or every single game, just wants a tasteful shelf of 20 games they like and one dedicated console plugged in, fuck off dude. The most common reason people are into retro gaming is to relive old memories of playing great games, it's not to have every single game ever made before 2007 in your bedroom. It's great that people can emulate if they want to, that doesn't mean they want to emulate fucking everything and it doesn't mean they absolutely need to go out and buy a $300 dedicated device for it when they might already own the Nintendo or sega consoles that the machine emulates to begin with.

>>8064487
What are you even talking about? I think you emulator warriors are complete faggots but neither real hardware nor emulators are prone to crashing.

>>8064769
star wars shadows of the empire

>>8064487
Huh, wonder why my old hardware all works?

>>8064743

>>8064487
> old hardware crashes more than emulation.
Unless you're talking about old CD mechanisms failing this almost never happens.

>>8064810
yo dawg i herd you like emulators

>>8064774
>that doesn't mean they want to emulate fucking everything
I do.

>>8064774
Really reads like someone hopping from cope to cope.
>20 games
Already more expensive than a MiSTer and that is actually what was being discussed. Your feelings are not my concern. Original hardware is not, by any stretch of the imagination, cheaper than a MiSTer.

>>8064816
All of my cartridge based systems, machines I've had since new in the 90s, have loading issues now and they crash if someone farts 3 miles away.

Why do rotting plastic cucks lie to themselves like this?

>>8064816
Tape drives. I remember tape drives. No one is going to convince me that tape drives were more reliable than using modern alternatives.

Why does every thread devolve into MiSTer shitflinging?

>>8064865
its that autistic faggot that keeps spamming it

Why can't Australians say auction properly.

>>8064317
I'm all for this getting exposure, but it's been known for some time now. The whole "wata-graded plastic slab sarcophagus" shit doesn't really have any bearing on vidya enthusiasts who just want to have old games to play or whatever. Not really much overlap so this sort of shit doesn't cause normal used copies to spike in price.
Not that I even give a shit about collecting though. That ship has long sailed. I'm just happy to have all my games from back in the day, and everdrives for everything else.

>>8064836
>All of my cartridge based systems, machines I've had since new in the 90s, have loading issues now and they crash if someone farts 3 miles away.
Do you live in Florida?

>>8064787
mupen64plus with parallel runs it perfectly. Rogue Squadron and Battle for Naboo also run perfectly and they are much harder to emulate.

Deniz Kahn was a member at Nintendoage under the name supernesman, enough to be featured in online magazines they did about game prices. Isn't mentioned but he had personal connection with the admin on that site that they "bought" the games from.
This whole this is pretty much the Nintendoage power cabal that existed for a decade before the site shut down teaming up with the auction house to artificially inflate prices of their collections they had and make max profit as they exit out. Really makes sense given how scumbaggy the """elite""" group was

>>8065254
>Deniz Kahn
My early life senses are tingling.

>>8064335
stop noticing things goy

>>8064491
>I do not condone emulators nor og hardware
Do you know what condone means?

I'm a collector and I don't care about value outside of "haha, neat, I own that"

Ya'll be making shit up just to justify hating people that play on real hardware, lol.

>>8064810
Extremely based.

>>8064335
The holocaust never happened, but I wish it did unironically
My hatred for kikes is literally eternal.
And yes faggot jannies this is absolutely /vr/ related.

>>8065346
then why bother cataloging all your shit in a website that conveniently gives you a money value?
Faggot.

>>8065410
Because I refuse to accidently buy Godzilla on Gamecube for the 4th time

>>8064374
digital hoarding isn't any better

>>8064448
>they'd sleep like a baby afterwards.
no they would be up all night spamming newgroups about it instead of using it

>>8065254
It's on his LinkedIn lmfao

>>8065420
use excel then faggot

>>8065430
>Prevented fraud and scamming

Was there ANY fucking doubt?

>>8064495
>emulating on a mini shitbox
The pi meme started as cope for people who were unable to get a NES Classic.
>"oh yeah well my raspberry pi is EVEN BETTER than the mini nes and can run ANY GAME so there!"
A laptop is portable and can be connected to a TV without taking up much space. Or you can even use the built in screen like and it's just like nintendo switch! holy shit!

>>8065442
Or I can not be autistic. That's an option too lol

Hardy har har Honda engines now are not reliable because of oil dilusion, now your car grenades just by running it like your old cr-v.
What does Honda do?
Make it a fucking EV. Now you have to plug in your fucking car if you short trip or gun it the second you turn it on. General public is too fucking stupid to take care of their cars, no wonder Sanata Fe is selling at 20x the crv

Has anyone figured out why EarthBound and Chrono Trigger are stupidly expensive yet?

>>8065486
>NES Classic
I got one of those for around $39 and I love the little thing. I also got a pair of SNES Controllers to play the SNES games I injected onto it.

>>8065506
Simply basic supply and demand when fags keep spamming these as the best games ever

>>8065486
Pis were popular before those SNES things even came about and are way better in hardware and software when you configure them. It's a great and well supported scene that's easy to get into.

An old laptop is still a top option for retro emulation though and I've said this to many people who overcomplicate stuff. Yesterday's laptop can beast through and hold roms for so many games you'd die of old age first.

>>8065506
kikes fixing prices
what else?

Boomer's faces when they bought an NES with Mario and Zelda for $500 and later learns that every device in the world can play them for free.

>>8065545
This.

>>8065506
Theyre games that everyone with an SNES should have. There are more SNES owners than copies of those games.

>>8065619
>There are more SNES owners than copies of those games
bullshit

>>8065619
Same as 59 Les Pauls.

>>8065583
I always wonder what type of NES-era boomer completely missed out on emulation. I'd imagine they were an uber-normie from a poorfag family that couldn't afford a computer and they didn't get on the internet until the iPhone was popular.

>>8064335
["early life" intensifies]

>>8064317
How long til Wata jews sue this youtuber into suicide?

>

I hate game collecting. It is the most soulless hobby. You will be much happier playing newer games and being patient for the good ones. Playing new games is cheaper than retro garbage now.

I’m going to make my own eBay grading system and list all my genesis carts an d ps2 games well over 1000 dollars. All I have to do is get plastic baggies and print a designed logo label, then staple it. Rich Zoomers will buy it.

I absolutely hate the entire game collecting market and every scum collector and buy both. I used to hate getting outbid by 5 dollars on shit games, but now I’m pissed that CRAPPY GAMES are 5x what it was a couple years back. I just don’t like it anymore and I will do anything to ruin this “hobby.”

I also think Limited Run is a greedy bootleg operator.

It's a bigger scam than I thought but it always seemed like an obvious scam.

"Pay us and we'll tell you how much your thing is ACTUALLY worth" is a sucker's bet if I've ever heard of one.

I'm just glad that they're focusing on big name common games and are generally leaving the rare obscurities to the way side - those are more interesting to collect and play.

Lads, is there anything we can do to expose and/or reverse this in any way? If /vr/ ever had a cause, it would be this. Even if our efforts would be marginal-to-non-existent, and the goal next to impossible, is there ANYthing we can do other than whinge? There's got to some sort of countermeasure to this.