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>>9018541
Sure are.

Since when is time travel in games considered a bad thing?

>>9018781
Also FFVIII and from a certain point of view, FFX. I never realized how much time travel factored into Square's games.

>>9018541
Christ I still remember feeling my heart sink when that "remake can have two meaning teehee" comment came out. A

>>9018792
"Kingdom Hearts bullshit" is just advanced level "Final Fantasy bullshit"

>>9018827
Minor nitpick to most, but i fucking hate how they "modernized" the levels of tech in the world in the remake. Seeing faggot ass smartphones in this dieselpunkish whatever established world was so fucking irritating.

>>9018541
Mother 3
Earthbound
Dragon Quest 11
>>9018829
All the shit about light and darkness was an old FF thing to lol. Sakaguchi actually told Nomura to make KH more complicated like FF. It was just going to be about a boy killing a dragon.

>>9018831
To be fair that happened in 2006 in Advent Children

>>9018541
Besides what everyone said:
Nier Replicant 1.22 / Drakengard 3 / Nier Automata
Any dragon ball rpg with trunks
Kingdom Hearts
Pokemon Gold and Silver (Trading to old gens and Celebi)
Chrono Cross (Leah is Ayla's mom from the past and more)

>>9018541
Sonic 2 planned to be but it was scrapped. It makes all the levels make sense though

>>9018785
Seriously everyone loves this and Zelda

>>9018856
Even some of the fighting games with Trunks had time travel as the main story element, like Shin Budokai 2 on the PSP/

>>9018831
What did you think the PCS was?

>>9019428
Dieselpunk version of those old brick cellphones?

>>9018548
Seethe, Jim.

>>9018785
Chrono Trigger was originally designed with that in mind. FFVII was not.

Anyone saying Chrono Cross/Trigger is wrong, "chrono" is right in the title. It ain't a secret, dog.

>>9018792
FFX has fake time travel. It's actually dream travel.

Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain. Nowadays all people think about is the time travel but it came out of nowhere in the original game.

>>9018827
I'm actually kinda surprised how much the remake models look like their original designs. Basically only Heidegger is different because they trimmed his beard.

>>9018792
>>9020821
It didn't even involve any actual movement through time anyway, Dream Zanarkand is this place out in the middle of the ocean, you can physically reach it if you know where it is.

>>9019696
Not him but PHS literally just means Personal Handy-phone System and it's a mobile network Japan had 1995-2020. Then advent children changed the phone into a flip phone because that's what PHS was using at the time.

>>9020861
To be fair to Remake, it does stay consistent with most of the 90s tech. There are CRTs everywhere.

>>9020883
More importantly, tubes everywhere. It's not Midgar without tubes

>>9018849
idk about dq11 but the other two are pretty explicit

>>9020916
DQ11 pulls time travel on you in the final act

Might & Magic 2's main quest is to get some super-powerful magic item, then go back in time and give it to some deceased king so he wins the battle he died in, and will thus be alive in the current year to give you w/e. Pretty much every M&M game goes from sword and sorcery to full-blown sci-fi by the end of the game, but M&M2 actually featured time travel multiple times throughout the game.

>>9018827
I wish Heidegger still looked like that

>>9020916
>>9020921
Mother 2's boss is acting from the past the entire game before you find out you have to go back and kill him? My memory is kinda fuzzy though. Does Buzzbuzz tell you that I just thought he told you to kill him? Porkey in 3 and his time travel stuff wasn't revealed till much later too.

>>9018785
Time travel in anything is considered a bad thing because most writers are bad at writing time travel stories.

>>9018785
Because time travel stories are often messy and horrible. Chrono Trigger is a massive exception

>>9022890
>>9023762
Time travel should almost never be introduced into any setting ever by a writer unless every aspect of the setting is built around it, and not just because. This is for several reasons, the first of which is once you start having time travel, unless you put some really stringent rules in there on how it can be used, you've opened a massive can of worms in terms of plot holes. The other being that time travel only really has 2 narrative purposes that don't fuck up your writing. The first being like The Time Machine where people of the future/past are used as a form of social commentary on your society today. The other being the It's A Wonderful Life/Tapestry episode of TNG reason, where it is shown what your life would be if you didn't make the decisions in the past that you did that define who you are as a person today. That's pretty much it, everything else tends to turn into schlock and usually used as a gimmick. Even Back to the Future, considered by many to be a perfect movie, plays fast and loose with time travel and basically just uses it as a narrative device to tell a good story, if you tried to analyze how the time travel makes sense in that trilogy you'll have a headache, there's like 5 DeLoreans in existence by the end of Part III so that Marty's getting destroyed by the train meant little.

>>9018827
Hojo is one ugly bastard

>>9022875
He does though. The characters have different proportions since the original game art was an actual cartoon but the character design is pretty on point for interpreting what those characters would look like "for real."

>>9023816
They kept that consistent, Crisis Core and that one animated short are the only times he didn't have hentai rapist levels of ugly

>>9023826
>The characters have different proportions
Except Palmer, he looks exactly the goddamn same.

>>9023809
What makes Chrono Trigger and Back to the Future work so well is that they don't dwell on the logistics. Time travel is functionally the how of it. It's what drives the plot but neither story is really "about" time travel. It's just the tool that the characters use to get from place to place. Time travel happens by accident and Lucca figures out how to duplicate it so they can put it to use at will. After that the concept isn't touched upon again outside of the very vague conversation the group has during the one side quest where you can save Lucca's mom.

>>9023846
That's why I said in BttF you're expected to not think about it. Because it's not important.

>>9023834
There's something about FFVII's Shinra executives that feels EXTREMELY mid-90s anime. I can't even reference anything specific that makes me think that. I just look at Hojo and think "that's a villain from a mid-90s anime" and don't know why.

>>9023860
He visually reminds me of Dr. J from Gundam Wing, though he was explicitly a good guy.

>>9023863
Forgot pic

>>9023863
It might just be that Shinra itself is reminiscent of every evil corporation, which was a popular theme in 80s and 90s media. FFVII took it to Robocop level where the corporation was also the de facto government. Hojo just stands out because he was a maniac even by Shinra's standards. The other executives all seemed very creeped out by him and his work but tended to let him do his thing because he got results. All the other execs were focused on mundane shit like taxes and expanding their power grid to other regions. Meanwhile Hojo was like "I'm gonna make the Cetra woman fuck the dog. Let's see what happens."

>>9023884
The best way I would describe Hojo is "sleazy". Not in the lewd way but in the greasy way, like he's so scummy it makes his skin produce extra oils

>>9023834
Hard to believe he’s the father of someone as beautiful as Sephiroth.

>>9023898
Supposedly he used to be a lot better looking when young. That and judging by Costa Del Sol, he just exudes raw sexual energy that much like Henry Kissinger, no one can explain or understand.

>>9023891
Yeah, there was a big "science runs amok" theme back then. Maybe the vibe I get is just from absorbing all that material at once. Like have you ever seen the anime Kimera? It was a staple of the anime section in 90s video stores. There was always some scientist doing shady shit with no oversight back then.

A Link to the Past.

>>9023937
Which funnily, didn't have any time travel and instead had dimension hopping

>>9023916
>>9023898
you think men in positions of power have to be attractive?!

vincent got fucked over HARD

>>9024225
Hojo wasn't really in a position of power back then. Plus unlike most of Shinra's executive staff he's not a very public person, Scarlet is often the face of the company.

>>9024225
There's some evidence that Lucrecia wasn't as great a person as Vincent imagines her to be and had some very serious personality flaws that made her relationship with Hojo make more sense.

>>9024303
>Scarlet is often the face of the company.
?

>>9023943
Didn't Link use the Triforce to go back in time and fix shit at the end.

>>9023834
now he has that be careful who you call ugly at school look

>>9023826
I just loved his long zz top beard

>>9023809
>That's pretty much it, everything else tends to turn into schlock


What rpgs aren't schlock?

>>9024694
I meant writing in general, including books, movies, other genres of games.

>>9024557
Shows up more than any other member of Shinra's board (aside from Rufus), including Hojo
Her department is responsible for 99% of the company's nice shit
Is the one that tries to kill the party personally on at least 2 occasions

And that's before even going into remake continuity where she's the one the stations interview on public safety matters (even though Heideggar is the head of that department)

>>9024892
>Shows up more than any other member of Shinra's board (aside from Rufus)
Are you sure? In the original game I think that ironically its Palmer that meets that criteria.

"Both Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega and the Final Fantasy X-2 Ultimania, suggest that Shinra of Final Fantasy X-2 has a connection to the company of the same name in Final Fantasy VII.

Shinra is a boy who supports the Gullwings, the group which the main protagonist, Yuna, belongs to. He carries a name that gives him an association to the Shin-Ra Company, and he is researching a method that could utilize the energy of 'the life force that flows through our planet'. The results of this cannot be seen in FFX-2, but maybe one day his descendants will establish a 'company that supplies the energy of the planet'?

Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega, translated by Ryu Kaze/Ryu Sinclair[1]
Kazushige Nojima has said the following:[1]"

After quitting the Gullwings, Shinra received enormous financial support from Rin, and began trying to use Vegnagun to siphon Mako Energy from the Farplane. But, he is unable to complete the system for utilizing this energy in his generation, and in the future, when traveling to distant planets becomes possible, the Shin-Ra Company is founded on another world, or something like that....... That would happen about 1000 years after this story, I think.

Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega, translated by Ryu Kaze/Ryu Sinclair

>>9024528
>some evidence
Yeah she gave up her kid for funzies, people just gloss over that because she's a woman.

>>9025286
I always thought this was dumb and apparently so did Square Enix since they seem to have completely ignored it.

>>9025316
To be fair to those people, we really don't get much about Lucrecia in the original game. All we know for sure is that she was Hojo's assistant Vincent had a thing for and she instead hooked up with Hojo to give birth to Sephiroth. It's easy to assume it wasn't entirely consensual given all we know about Hojo. So the player can easily walk away feeling bad for her through Vincent. But there's a hint that Lucrecia was also motivated by the mad science and wanted to see what kind of mutant kid she could pop out and Vincent just couldn't or wouldn't see that side of her.