/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9460205
I dont know. Never played it

>>9460205
Mechner wasn't involed. Every game he worked on was good and the ones he didn't weren't. It's not rocket science.

>>9460205
Nothing, plays just as shit as the 2D game

>>9460272
>just as shit as the 2D game

Ahhh, yes, "just as shit" as the game that revolutionized video game platforming to feature more naturalistic running and jumping, departing from the arcadey instant-jumping and momentum-less gameplay of Super Mario.

Rushed too hard without proper bugchecking, blame TLC, despite the fact the game barely can be played because of unavoidable bugs. I still like it for the great atmosphere and art style not too mention music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kauMzame-kU

>>9460282
>momentum-less gameplay of Super Mario.
rule change was a mistake

>>9460316
Oh, right, if you hold the button he moves faster, such momentum, many gameplays. Nevermind the fact that in Mario 64 he stops on a dime if you let go of the joystick.

>>9460325
yeah, there's so much momentum in pop's arc jumps lol
also picrel

>>9460340
>also picrel
Apparently you don't know what goalpost moving is, since I didn't.

My point still stands whether you like it or not, faggot. Go bing-bing wahoo your faggot boyfriends asshole so us gamers don't have to be bothered by your dick-shit takes.

Same as every fucking 3d game in the mid 90s: 3d gaming mostly fucking sucked. Controls and gameplay were garbage and people only cared about it because "WHEEEE THREE DEE IT'S SO NEW AND SHINY!!!"
Barf.

>>9460205
Suffered from what I call "the third game must be in 3D" sickness

>>9460375
oh, ok...

>>9460282
PoP has no momentum mechanics it's just animations with predetermined states. You can run all you want but the distance doesn't change based on your speed. Just the animation state counts. So yeah, this >>9460272 anon is right. PoP3D plays like a bad Tomb Rider clone which means it also has no momentum and relies on stiff animations.

>>9460415
>tranime image response
Go figure.

>>9460425
tranime website, gtfo

>>9460421
>it's just animations with predetermined states
You mean like every fucking video game character?

>Just the animation state counts. So yeah, this >>9460272 anon is right. PoP3D plays like a bad Tomb Rider clone which means it also has no momentum and relies on stiff animations.
You're an idiot. Tomb Raider relies on animation states as well. It's what gives it the realistic movement, since her character is not animated dynamically through physics. How you use those animation states to traverse the environment is what results in the perceived momentum, along with the realistic animated movement that was rotoscoped from an actual human being.

>>9460436
>tranime website
There are containment boards specifically for your kind. Cope and seethe tranime idiot.

>>9460452
nah it's an anime website and people will always post anime pics here. you will be permanently mad because you chose to come to a website where you don't belong, and you will cope by pretending everyone is a tranny.

if this is a "bad" tomb raider clone then I must really hate tomb raider. Dreamcast version wasn't bad.

>>9460445
>You mean like every fucking video game character?
No. Consider how Mario can slide around no matter his animation state he can run backwards and still slide forward. You could never do that in PoP simply because there is no momentum in the game it's all canned states that never inherit any properties of previous ones.

>>9460452
anime website + rent free + literally nothing you can ever do about it but piss and cry

>>9460421
>PoP has no momentum mechanics it's just animations with predetermined states.
I'd say the momentum mechanics are implemented through the animations with predetermined states. If you run you can jump further compared to if you jump forward from standing. If you run and turn around the prince slides on the floor before he can change direction while if you stand still and turn it's instant.

I agree it's very simplistic though. Mario has a lot MORE and more advanced momentum and inertia mechanics than PoP. Just less realistic for controlling a human.

>>9460491
You have no idea what you're talking about. What you're implying is that the entire gameworld is animated around the controls, which is wrong. The character moves based on your inputs and the animations that play are in accordance with your inputs, IDENTICALLY to Mario, the fact of the matter is, more care and time was put into realistically animating and pacing the inputs than Mario ever was, because Mario was not trying to be realistic.

Always seemed weird to me how some people wanted games to become slower, less responsive and less skill based.

>>9462184
>PoP
>less skilled based

I always thought PoP2 was a worthy sequel

>>9460205
Don't know.
I like that game. Some levels are shit but most of them alright.

Mail-in rebate expired

>>9460205
tomb raider style 3d platforming where every single jump takes forever because they're spaced out so you have to grab the ledge and pull yourself up due to that being "more realistic" or something

>>9462148
Not the anon you're responding to and I agree with what you're saying about PoP but:
>more care and time was put into realistically animating and pacing the inputs than Mario ever was, because Mario was not trying to be realistic.
Mario actually cares a lot about the pacing of the inputs:
https://youtu.be/EwONt4r2rMM?t=73
I agree that PoP goes for more human-realistic physics, but that doesn't mean A LOT of care didn't go into Mario's controls and movement response.

>>9462189
oh hell yes

Tank controls

>>9460205
I just found it kinda boring. There are better alternatives to this kind of game.