/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10401284]

now that the dust has settled and the 5th gen cores are realized, is this thing actually worth it or no?

[Anonymous No.10401295]

>>10401284
It's better than real hardware.

[Anonymous No.10401321]

>>10401295
Nu /vr/ everyone.

[Anonymous No.10401336]

>>10401321

[Anonymous No.10401395]

>>10401284
It's the most sane option for playing on a CRT.

[Anonymous No.10401409]

This thing does have a pretty absurd feature list. What are the options for getting composite video out for consoles that natively didn't use RGB? The NES mostly comes to mind and I hear the PC Engine's RGB output shouldn't be used linearly and needs some adjustment for the right colors.

[Anonymous No.10401416]

>>10401409
>This thing does have a pretty absurd feature list
It's $600 dollars for a Mister with everything you need. You might as well buy an actual computer and emulate at that price. Maybe if it was $199 then it would be worth it.

[Anonymous No.10401438]

>>10401416
>$600? Why would you buy a MiSTer for $700? Don't you know you can buy a PC that can emulate for $800?

[Anonymous No.10401520]

>>10401438
If a modern xbox or ps5 console costs $300 to $400, why should a properly loaded Mister cost more than that? Emulation boxes should be on the cheaper side especially since they are emulating old games from 20 to 40 years ago.

[Anonymous No.10401527]

>>10401284
it was always worth it
>>10401416
>>10401438
the de-10 is $240 stop paying retarded scalpers

[Anonymous No.10401546]

>>10401527
>the de-10 is $240 stop paying retarded scalpers
Right... And how much does it cost to buy all the extra ports, SDRAM, extra I/O, extra encoder board, extra accessories, case, cables, etc?

In computer terms you just said "Dude a motherboard is $240. Stop being retarded" without even mentioning all the other parts that need to attach to the motherboard for a complete experience.

[Anonymous No.10401553]

>>10401284
These MiSTer setups are becoming more prevalent in my local FGC scene. Since they are significantly cheaper than a single NeoGeo or CPS-2 game plus a supergun setup, it just makes more sense to have these for no input delay on PVMs and all the arcade games you can ask for.

I recently got one because I learned the PlayStation bemani games are playable without input delay. Since I currently only own a DJ Station Pro, beatmania has been pretty fun on it.

[Anonymous No.10401738]

>>10401284
I love it.

[Anonymous No.10401741]

>>10401284
It was always snake oil. But it at least functions as well as free emulators fo, which puts it ahead of Analogue dreck or poorfag memes like raspberry pi or wii

[Anonymous No.10401743]

>>10401409
It now supports svideo output which can be trivially combined for composite

[Anonymous No.10401786]

>>10401546
mine cost me $350. I spent $100 of that building a custom case.

all you need is $60 sdram and $30-$50 case or no case. oh and $7 otg usb hub so you dont wear out the de10 usb port.

but you already know this because someone tells you everytime you come into one of these threads.

you faggot

[Anonymous No.10401803]

>November 2023
>srg320 has no activity yet for this period.

[Anonymous No.10401807]

Old computing cores abandoned, missing a ton of arcade games still, 5th gen isn’t fully realized (Saturn and especially n64 need work), OP is part of the dozen of mister shills who overemphasize the good and ignore the bad in the spam threads they flood the board with

[Anonymous No.10401915]

>>10401546
>Right... And how much does it cost to buy all the extra ports, SDRAM, extra I/O, extra encoder board, extra accessories, case, cables, etc?

About $100, my build cost $350 in total.

[Anonymous No.10401929]

>>10401284
>now that the dust has settled and the 5th gen cores are realized,

The dust hasn't settled on 5th gen cores, there's still a ton of work on Saturn and N64 to be done.

[Anonymous No.10401982]

>>10401546
>how much does it cost if i go on a shopping spree
you could buy accessories for any emulation platform anon
only difference being, when you buy mister shit its actually GOOD
>snac
>actual analog video out
>a non-shitty eyesore custom etsy case
if you run ram/board/hdmi and gaymen monitor it is a v reasonable price

[Anonymous No.10401985]

>>10401915
tree fiddy u say?

[Anonymous No.10403032]

>>10401284
>500usd
>no save states
>no shaders
>no cpu overclock for snes
>no cover art or manuals like in batocera (which is free)
>no FF for psx rpg's
>have to buy SNACs to plug in original controllers (LOL)
>no DC, ps2, og xbox, gamecube, wii, wiiu, switch, xbox 360, ps3, ps4 never will be
>github fpga "cores" littered with bug reports, therefore not 100% accurate (this is the fact that makes spurgs seethe the most)
>"muh latency" retroarch has run ahead latency reduction, you can literally get better latency than original hardware (also makes mistr owners seethe)

Sure anon spend your money on something that performs worse than retroarch but costs as much as a series x/ beefy emulation pc that can play up to ps3. Either og hardware and a crt or just emulate bro, this thing is 100% a cope built for tinkerers.

[Anonymous No.10403185]

What /vr/ doesn't understand is that FPGAs like the MiSTer strive to emulate retro consoles at the hardware level. With software emulation, a programmer has to basically guess how a system operates and try to approximate that through code alone. While FPGAs strive to operate exactly as the original hardware would. It's not perfect, but it'll get better over time. The recent "NukedMD" core is 100% accurate to a real Genesis/Mega Drive, for instance. It's the best thing to happen to emulation in years.

[Anonymous No.10403362]

>>10403032
You've probably unironically invested more money in trying to setup an immersive frontend instead of loading up a ROM and enjoying it. Then again, looking at your bait, you most likely have more time than money.

[Anonymous No.10403594]

>>10401284
>is this thing actually worth it or no?

Depends
It can be worth it if:
- You like to play on CRTs
- You want to use original controllers/memcards/accessories (Especially light guns)
- You want more accuracy than software emulation
- No additional lag is very important
- You speedrun
- You have enough disposable income where it's cost does not matter
- Being able to instantly turn on and boot games with a simple quick menu is important
- You want an experience as close to using the real hardware as possible without having to buy/store tons of hardware and mods for it
- You play dozens of consoles/computers

It can not be worth it if:
- You just want to play games and accuracy is not that important to you
- You just want to use modern wireless controllers
- You just want something to connect to a modern TV
- You don't care about lightgun games or ones that used special controllers
- You want to run games in ways the original hardware would never be able to (widescreen hacks, high-res texture packs, 4K, 60-120+ FPS for games that could not even do half that, etc)
- You want the experience of actually plugging the carts/disks into the actual hardware
- Additional lag from modern screens, software emulation, and/or input from modern controllers doesn't matter or the games you would play would not be effected much by lag
- You are on a budget
- You want to play games newer than 6th gen (Though why are you asking here in that case?)
- Savestates/Rewind/etc are important. Some of the cores on MiSTer do support those too, but not all.
- You don't care if your emulation box takes time to boot or the menu can be laggy or fancy

For the majority of people, it's likely not worth it. It's more for those that are REALLY into getting as close to playing the original hardware experience as possible without having thousands in hardware taking up an entire large room and having to maintain it all.

[Anonymous No.10403623]

>>10401546
>Right... And how much does it cost to buy all the extra ports

The "extra ports" are literally a USB hub, if for some reason you want the "official" one it's about $25-40.

>SDRAM

$25-50 if you want a pre-assembled one, about $15 if you can solder worth a damn yourself

>extra I/O

$15 and completely optional unless you want to connect it over an analog connection

>extra encoder board

What encoder board? That's very VERY optional niche hardware that 99% of MiSTer setups don't use.

>extra accessories

Mind being more specific? Also by your very description, they are EXTRA. You're like those people that try to argue a console costs as much as a high-end gaming PC if you toss in multiple controllers, several years of online, etc.

>case

100% optional, and there are dirt-cheap ones.

>cables

Do you not have any USB cables in your house?

[Anonymous No.10403836]

>>10401284
shit can't even do the Commodore 64 right.
lol, lmao

[Anonymous No.10403837]

>>10403032
>$500 usd
???
>No Save states
wrong
>No shaders
Also wrong

[Anonymous No.10403880]

>>10401284
I kind of really like it.

Haven't purchased it.

If they can completely incompetently you know what I mean run all mame roms.

Neo Geo.

But I heard it can't even run Atari 800 computer.

So that tells me that its just using any old emulator.

I don't think the price point is that high. It is an investment.

You got some good post in this thread.

But if you want to upgrade an emulator if you want to upgrade hardware in the future say GameCube becomes possible it's not clear and I'm not reading all that s*** so you could have made a few more selling points.

No disrespect. Sure it's a fine solution.

[Anonymous No.10403896]

>>10403032
>wanting save states
>playing with save states
clearly not an actual gamer
>needs to cheat to beat any game
what is the literal point then? get a different hobby

[Anonymous No.10403936]

>>10403185
>It's not perfect
Then why bother.

[Anonymous No.10403941]

>>10401284
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[Anonymous No.10403951]

games are code.
code is language.
the system speaks the language.
the language tells the system what to do.
the system produces the game.
emulation is the same thing as the original system if it speaks the language just as well. your gay box does not speak the language better than my PC. this shit is snake oil and you should be ashamed of being so gullible and retarded.
>inb4 muh easy composite out
it's 2023, your CRT is going to die and looks like shit anyway. wake up.

[Anonymous No.10403956]

>>10403951
>i dont know what the fuck im talking about

[Anonymous No.10403965]

>>10403956
tell me what i said that's wrong. oh wait, you can't. you'll find some barely intelligible thing to babble about while sliding your greasy fingers across the keyboard as you munch on lipids and sugars though, no doubt.

[Anonymous No.10403971]

>>10403941
The fuck am I fucking reading

[Anonymous No.10403972]

>>10403965
as an electrical engineer
coding some software that pretends to copy the hardware is not the same thing as original hardware


a field programmable gate array is a hardware simulation protocol
it simulations the machines down to the transistor level

retroarch will never be good
mame will never be good
if you want to use hideous (inaccurate) software have fun
the rest of us are using the superior option

[Anonymous No.10403978]

>>10401284
I'm waiting for CPS3

[Anonymous No.10403982]

>>10403965
Lol damn

[Anonymous No.10403991]

>>10403972
>coding some software that pretends to copy the hardware is not the same thing as original hardware
yes it is. the only difference comes down to whether or not the system emulating is powerful enough to accurately recreate the system being emulated.
>hardware simulation protocol
this is such a meaningless term that searching for it in quotes on google doesn't even return a single result. pro tip: adding "protocol" to the end of a phrase does not make you sound smarter.
>it simulations the machines down to the transistor level
more made up bullshit. if the emulation software can replicate the processes of hardware, it speaks the language (code) as well as the hardware. it doesn't matter if it's LE TRANSISTOR ACCURATE, all that matters is whether or not the games are accurate.
>retroarch will never be good
>mame will never be good
>if you want to use hideous (inaccurate) software have fun
>the rest of us are using the superior option
big "electrical engineer" man speak punctuated by an admission of having no argument. eat a dick you pretentious midwit faggot.

[Anonymous No.10404006]

>>10403991
>more made up bullshit. if the emulation software can replicate the processes of hardware, it speaks the language (code) as well as the hardware. it doesn't matter if it's LE TRANSISTOR ACCURATE, all that matters is whether or not the games are accurate.

Nta I'm not an engineer but you literally have no idea what you're talking about. Software emulation is not capable of perfect emulation, and going down to the transistor level with FPGAs fixes this issue.


>yes it is. the only difference comes down to whether or not the system emulating is powerful enough to accurately recreate the system being emulated.
You are fucking retarded. There are more variables than just more powerful computer = more accurate emulation. The emulator is accurate to the end user, but in terms of having it function exactly how the original hardware did, it is way off.

[Anonymous No.10404010]

>>10404006
>you literally have no idea what you're talking about
funny how every shit non-argument always starts out this way
> Software emulation is not capable of perfect emulation
yes it is, and you can't tell me why it isn't. whether or not current technology is powerful enough to achieve this is a matter of debate, but it being feasible is a certainty.
>You are fucking retarded.
great argument, watch this: "no u".
> There are more variables than just more powerful computer = more accurate emulation.
right, like the accuracy of the emulator and how well it can recreate the language spoken by the original hardware.
>The emulator is accurate to the end user
all you needed to say, thanks for conceding.

[Anonymous No.10404014]

>>10404006
>Nta I'm not an engineer
>he says while double-redditspacing just like the alleged engineer did
Truth is that guy just BTFO you and you didn't want to keep pretending to be the same person after using a made up phrase and embarassing yourself lol. IP count didnt change btw.

[Anonymous No.10404036]

>>10403951
>>10403965
>>10403991
>>10404010
mister niggers absolutely destroyed

[Anonymous No.10404070]

>>10404010
>yes it is, and you can't tell me why it isn't. whether or not current technology is powerful enough to achieve this is a matter of debate, but it being feasible is a certainty.

It isn't. The timings for how the different subsystems of the hardware and how they interact with each other is way off. The cpu core, graphics core and whatever else don't function the same as the real thing, since the developers are just reading the documentation and implementing the behavior that way. The problem with this is that the behaviour that's described in these manuals is still at a high level, and does not give any in depth information as to how each chip functions internally. It's solely written from a software developer's perspective.

Even when emulator devs are reverse engineering things, they are doing so at the granularity that is good enough to produce an acceptable emulator. The people who are developing the cores for mister are already finding issues in the existing documentation because it isn't possible to have errors like that when making an FPGA implementation.

On top of all of this, the emulator runs on-top of a multitasking OS, which has to share resources with other programs, which makes 100% accuracy impossible at the software level just because a user application cannot time things exactly at the same time as real-hardware does, since the OS is responsible for when an application has time on the CPU to run.

There are *a lot* of variables involved, and just because an emulator looks to run the same way for the average user as the original, does not mean it functions internally, 100%, exactly the same way.

Going a level lower, and looking at the transistor level and reverse engineering there will fix the inaccuracy that these issues cause, and we'll be left with something that is 100% exactly like the original thing.

[Anonymous No.10404090]

No Atari 800 emulation? What's that about?

[Anonymous No.10404091]

>>10404090
No interest I guess. Let's face it, the system sucked outside of novelty.

[Anonymous No.10404101]

>>10401803
>Check his Twitter.... no activity since early October
>Check his Github... same
>Check forums... same
>Actually go as far as to check Discord... nada
>srg320 made the core public on Oct 12 despite it not being finished before going silent

This... this is not looking good.

[Anonymous No.10404107]

>>10404101
He's fine anon

>https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=79889&sid=807e996b085a39aebb40d44ac38f7c3f#p79889

[Anonymous No.10404109]

>>10404101
Oh my bad, wrong person, I assumed Sorgelig

[Anonymous No.10404112]

>>10403951
>and looks like shit
Hardcore gamers want crt for their response time. You are such a casual.

[Anonymous No.10404113]

>>10404112
>>10403951

[Anonymous No.10404118]

>>10404070
you've typed a lot here and said basically nothing. FPGA attempts to recreate hardware so it can understand code. emulation seeks to understand code directly. the end result of both is creating an effective interpreter for code. there is literally no reason that software emulation can't be just as precise as FPGA (arguably, emulation can even be more precise because you can more easily control the environment and see in real-time what the code is producing). it all comes down to the power of the hardware and the quality of the emulator. again, you could argue that emulation as it exists in 2023 does not have sufficient resources to be as accurate as FPGA; to which i'll tell you that FPGA does not have sufficient resources to be as accurate as emulation, at least for the player. if what you want is to recreate the hardware of an old console and marvel at the clockwork, great. that has nothing to do with the actual games though, which are demonstrably as good or better when played via traditional emulation because the only thing needed to make a game "accurate" is to perfectly replicate its quirks, which is easier in emulation.

[Anonymous No.10404119]

>>10404113
>Tells anon for response time
>Retarded nigger anon responds with visual differences

(you)

[Anonymous No.10404121]

>>10404112
>>10404113
OLEDs are identical in response time, so identical that even if CRTs had a theoretical advantage (they don't) you wouldn't be able to tell.
>muh scanlines
it's called a shader. i repeat, wake up.

[Anonymous No.10404126]

>>10404121
>it's called a shader. i repeat, wake up.
shaders add delay retard, defeating the entire purpose, lmao

[Anonymous No.10404134]

>>10404118
>FPGA attempts to recreate hardware so it can understand code. emulation seeks to understand code directly. the end result of both is creating an effective interpreter for code.

Again you've oversimplifying it

>there is literally no reason that software emulation can't be just as precise as FPGA
I just did, in my previous post. I just gave you some of the limitations that arise when you're implementing hardware in a software environment.

>it all comes down to the power of the hardware and the quality of the emulator.
You're making it about raw resources. I'm telling you that's not the issue. the issue is that from achieving something that behaves exactly like the original did, you can't use a software emulator approach. You need to go a level deeper and re implement it at the transistor level, and see how each chip functions internally.

[Anonymous No.10404181]

>>10404121
>(they don't)
Like I said actual gamers don't care for your bullshit. Please stop talking on matters you have no clue about.

[Anonymous No.10404182]

If software emulation was so good, what's with the devastating levels of cope in any MiSTer thread? you sound like a christian being mad that catholics religion differently. all emulation sucks, you just have to choose which one suits your needs.

pros of software emu:
>easy to port to any device
>lots of features

pros of fpga emu:
>adaptable to any display with native resolution and refresh rates including vrr
>adaptable to JAMMA arcade boards, is actually seeing more and more use in the FGC scene in place of superguns

[Anonymous No.10404185]

>>10404181
>SilentScope is getting so old he's sleeping mid match

[Anonymous No.10404187]

>>10404181
>actual gamers

[Anonymous No.10404190]

>>10403032
>>500usd
Already been explained it costs roughly half that to build one
>no save states
Save states do exist for many of the cores actually
>no shaders
Many filters and scanline options
>no cover art or manuals like in batocera (which is free)
There have been frontend projects, just that nearly no MiSTer user cares, they would rather have a list than a fancy nonsense UI. Again, the DE-10 Nano board does have an ARM CPU that the OS runs on, it's easy to do, the UI and OS itself isn't running on the FPGA, just the consoles are.
>no FF for psx rpg's
There is a turbo version of the PSX core
>have to buy SNACs to plug in original controllers (LOL)
And how is that worse than having to buy USB adapters to plug in original controllers with software emulation? Plus with SNAC you can use original memorycards, lightguns, and other accessories too.
>no DC, ps2, og xbox, gamecube, wii, wiiu, switch, xbox 360, ps3, ps4 never will be
1. MisterX project has the potential for DC and PS2
2. And why exactly does someone on /vr/ want 7th gen and later systems like PS3 or 360?
>github fpga "cores" littered with bug reports, therefore not 100% accurate (this is the fact that makes spurgs seethe the most)
As opposed to the mile long issues with software emulation?
>"muh latency" retroarch has run ahead latency reduction, you can literally get better latency than original hardware (also makes mistr owners seethe)
Except that it makes the gameplay skip in order to try to keep up and massively increases CPU use

Maybe research some of this next time?

[Anonymous No.10404193]

>>10404181
CRT is actually slower lmao

[Anonymous No.10404207]

>>10404091
Disagree. What I mean is that it may be so. But it can't emulate.

People act like there's some set of distinct emulators for the mister that is specifically for the mister.

But It's just the same bullshit, as online isn't it.

It's not a dis. Just give a straight answer.

[Anonymous No.10404221]

Hey everybody in the emulation world.

When you're too dumb to learn

When you're too stupid as f*** to emulate and learn how to write something properly
Just say it's not very popular


Just say it sucks and it's a novelty

and that's going to make it okay

Because I mean God damn it's not like you created any of these games


It's okay for you to sell your system even though you're an advocate for piracy that's perfectly okay I just want to make that perfectly f****** clear.


The way back machine is ALWAYS going to be legal... even though it's outeight theft


according to this dumb n**** on 4chan

[Anonymous No.10404229]

>>10404207
The correct answer is that nobody has cared enough to translate the schematics (if they exists) into verilog. As it is, most developers have a backlog of hardware they have to produce brand new schematics for because they don't exists online. Sure, some open source software emulation information has been used to produce cores for any given FPGA, but it's not enough to get a full FPGA implementation. FPGA is worked on differently to get results which has benefited software emulation as well.

["Why the Mister is a console, is bad, and you are stupid and also gay", written by: me No.10404245]

You're paying for a console. You aren't a savvy, informed enthusiast; you are, quite literally, paying $500 for a console. The Mister, is a console. You're playing a console. You're talking about a console. You're funding and promoting a console. You think the Mister isn't a console? You're wrong, because the Mister is a console. Being a console, the Mister is a locked-down platform and lacks the features of a PC (because the Mister is a console). The Mister is just a console that plays ROMs you downloaded off archive.org instead of popping in a disc or cartridge (as you would with most consoles, similar to how the Mister is a console). You might espouse the alleged "value" or "quality" of this console, but then you've fallen into a trap: you've proven, unequivocally, that you have purchased a console. That doesn't bother you though, because you love this console. You want to make love to this console. You want to shout how you "really" feel about this console to the whole world, and you don't care who knows it. You don't care if somebody thinks you're a faggot for owning this console, because you're in love. You don't care if some jewish investment firm buys the rights to this console and starts mass-producing it and leveraging it against truly open source technology, because again, you're in love (with the Mister, a console). You don't even care that you're spending $500 to get a console with drastically inferior abilities to an office PC. Take a guess why. Yeah, it's because you love this console. You're not well, you're deeply homosexual, and you're in love with a console.

[Anonymous No.10404249]

>>10404229
Ok thanks. Good reply.

so It's the same emulation that you can get for any other system.

If somebody was emulating on a Wii

if somebody was emulating on a Wii u

a DS

anything...

It would be an identical version

such an emulator that anyone can get online according to the specific developer.

there's nothing and no specific emulation proprietary or distinct towards the mister
Other than it's hardware.


Right or wrong


Yes or no.

That's what I read


tell me

[Anonymous No.10404250]

>>10404245
You're crazy. Sorry

[Anonymous No.10404258]

>>10404250
That's a pretty holier-than-thou attitude for a gay guy that's in love with a console.

[Anonymous No.10404259]

>>10404229
So when I pay $600 down

The investment is in fpga

that's what you're saying

[Anonymous No.10404260]

>>10404249
FPGA emulation as the "end-product" is used in place of real hardware. It's used to replace specific parts, it's used in conjunction with original parts. It's used to replace the real parts. There is no limit to how you can implement FPGA. If done properly, it should be indistinguishable. It's specialized use can often be cheaper than using real hardware since you can replicate the capabilities of the original hardware.

Software emulation is not as specialized but is capable of recreating the environment of the target hardware configuration. The difference is that you need hardware more powerful than the original hardware in order to replicate it which is more costly.

[Anonymous No.10404261]

>>10404259
He's British by the way right

I'm wrong I'm wrong

[Anonymous No.10404280]

Are the ports on the DE10-Nano board fragile? I'm concerned about breaking them from plugging and unplugging stuff too often.

[Anonymous No.10404285]

>>10404259
>So when I pay $600 down
When you pay $600 down, it's because you are too impatient or dumb to build your own unit.

[Anonymous No.10404289]

>>10404260
You can't emulate an Atari 800
Because you're using the same goddamn emulation that everyone else is using.

That's what I read you just say.

[Anonymous No.10404295]

>>10404285
Right.

But it would be convenient.

So long as it was more than what you had already.

And not less.

And not from fucking England.

[Anonymous No.10404297]

>>10403623
Don't you understand? There's no POSSIBLE way to invest in something without looking at the absolute high-end range of what is offered!

[Anonymous No.10404305]

>>10404245
Speaking of emulation, hey look! I can create a (you) emulator in basic:

10 PRINT "It's a console"
20 GOTO 10

No need to waste a FPGA on the simple processor that is your brain.

[Anonymous No.10404308]

>>10404305
sick burn fellow redditor. upvoted

[Anonymous No.10404309]

>>10404297
You're f****** kidding yourself

The emulation is made by whoever in the flying f*** knows who

And either they f****** updated it or they f****** don't

I'm so glad y'all want to make that crystal clear

Even though you're f****** not


Cuz hey listen we're all computer f****** geniuses and we're all f****** wizards give me a break you're a bunch of f****** nerds

The technology may be f****** great


But the people working and developing or absolute not reliable that's as nice as I can get

[Anonymous No.10404315]

>>10404309
Bitch, did you seriously just censor the word fuck on 4chan? Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.10404316]

>>10404187
>>10404193
Casuals on here discussing FPGA and shaders don't attend events. They don't have an understanding of these retro games at all.

[Anonymous No.10404319]

>>10404305
Dude went off.

That was his whole dissertation, man. damn.

[Anonymous No.10404328]

>>10404319
>That was his whole dissertation
you're very observational

[Anonymous No.10404331]

>>10404245
based

[Anonymous No.10404335]

>>10404315
Lol


It's my phone doing that lol
Honest I love the mister

I'm looking for a real good reason to make such a purchase

It just sounds a lot more dishonest.

People knock Atari 2600 for being shells and yeah yeah and here you come doing the same shit

But at least Atari was from United States


I said what I said

Have zero plans to develop anything for the system like this

all of the games are free

I'm sorry that's just not f****** right if you really want to look at it

[Anonymous No.10404337]

>>10404335
can you please stop redditspacing? thanks.

[Anonymous No.10404339]

>>10404289
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Atari800_MiSTer

[Anonymous No.10404342]

>>10404337
Eat a dick asswipe

I wouldn't wish poor vision on anyone


Lord have mercy

[Anonymous No.10404346]

>>10404316
>attending events will make your CRT response time faster

[Anonymous No.10404351]

>>10404245
It's an open platform

[Anonymous No.10404369]

>>10404346
Theres no point talking to a casual. You will never get it.

[Anonymous No.10404373]

I just realized everyone in this thread is ignorant as hell.

>spouting bait
>spouting non-facts
>spouting vague nothings

FPGA emulation has existed as long as software emulation has if not longer. MiSTer is probably the first vintage hardware FPGA project to launch into mainstream recognition. What a time to be alive.

[Anonymous No.10404381]

>>10404369
>There's no point talking to a casual
>keeps talking to them anyway

[Anonymous No.10404397]

>>10404373
>MiSTer is probably the first vintage hardware FPGA project to launch into mainstream recognition. What a time to be alive.
I see you didn't miss a single dilation session today

[Anonymous No.10404407]

It's fucking crime, isn't it

Travesty of Justice

Imagine you spent all this turmoil and diligence on a game..
.

And everything you've ever fuckung done is now full-blown ass naked in the public.

People bending over fucking ass backwards to be able to pay for those games..
One day the twin towers blow up

Next thing you know

Every fucking day is Christmas you get every single fucking game you can wish for

And you were just born that way

That's just the way it's always been to you.

What a fucking absolute disgrace make me sick piece of shit.

How long as it doesn't happen to you and these dumb monkeys give away their shit for free on GitHub as if it were an advertisement or testament to their competence.

Should be ashamed of yourselves.

Wrong is wrong and you love it you love it when it's wrong you fucking love it.


Make me disgusted.

[Anonymous No.10404412]

>>10404407
Imagine you are gay

You don't have to imagine it


Because you are
.

You are gay

[Anonymous No.10404437]

The people that pretend to hate the MiSTer are ones that desperately want one but are too poor to afford it. Even just having a single, unified platform to develop for is a MASSIVE selling point over software emulators. Where a variety of different operating systems and hardware types have to be taken into consideration all the time. With the MiSTer, you know you are getting a quality product with talented folks at the helm who are dedicated in their craft. The closest thing software emulation has in comparison is RetroArch, and it fucking sucks. Nobody likes working with that project lead and some have even boycotted the project entirely, like the DuckStation dev. RetroArch itself is extremely bloated and crashes a ton on my Android TV box. Meanwhile with the MiSTer, I know it's an enthusiast grade product that is only getting 'better' by the day and is 100% optimized for retro gaming. It doesn't cause my PC's fans to kick in like RetroArch does, and is easier to use than a RetroPie while offering hardware-level emulation. Anyone who doesn't appreciate the MiSTer is a smoothbrained redditor, period. Plain and simple.

[Anonymous No.10404441]

>>10404437
t. has a small penis but still managed to suck it himself through sheer force of will

[Anonymous No.10404446]

I don't understand all the shit throwing that's going on in this thread. If you wanna spend a few hundred dollars for a box that is really good at mimicking other systems then more power to you. I'll just stick to my game collection and retroarch personally.

[Anonymous No.10404453]

>>10404446
>paying for old plastic and also emulating
couldn't be me

[Anonymous No.10404454]

>>10404437
>Even just having a single, unified platform to develop for is a MASSIVE selling point over software emulators.
You tell me how ironic this is.

>buy a Pioneer LaserActive because it doubles as a Genesis+Sega CD and PC Engine+PC Engine CD
>the thing stops working months after buying it
>learn I gotta recap a bunch of capacitors which I don't have the skill or patience to learn
>guy I sell my LaserActive to tells me I should just get a MiSTer if I want an all-in-one system that is the same thing as an everdrive and hardware

[Anonymous No.10404461]

>>10404454
>Answer me this chud: I had a bad experience at Six Flags, then my friend tells me to come with him to Universal Studios. Heh, can you believe that?
This is basically what you're asking me. I didn't think /vr/ could sink this low lol.

[Anonymous No.10404465]

>>10404412
You will owe nothing and you will be happy
put that on your mind

Especially your wife

[Anonymous No.10404470]

>>10404461
KEK I unironically have a season pass each for Six Flags, Universal Studios, Knotts Berry Farm, and Disney Land. Just cause I have good relations with customers and they throw in random bonuses at me at their whim.

[Anonymous No.10404472]

>>10404465
>your wife
my wife is your mom, what now, son?

[Anonymous No.10404485]

>>10403362
>>10403837
>>10403896
>>10404190

As you can see these anons suffer from sunk cost fallacy. OP just youtube mistr vs emulating, absolutely no difference.

https://youtu.be/Lz5TINR694U?si=cOFGB2D1cUbBb7VT

[Anonymous No.10404486]

>>10404437
>too poor to afford it
Outside of school children how would any man able to work or get on the dole be to poor to afford it?

[Anonymous No.10404491]

>>10404485
>MiSTer
-Small
-Power efficient
-Built for purpose
-Active development
>BSNES
-Requires a more powerful PC
-Fans start running as soon as you boot a game
>PC uses 100w+
>No longer in development
-Programmed by a tranny

The choice is simple.

[Anonymous No.10404503]

>>10404491
>BSNES
>requires a more powerful PC
bro you're emulating a SNES, not a PS4. you can run BSNES perfectly on a $400 shitrig.
>Programmed by a tranny
I have bad news about Sist- I mean, Mister.

[Anonymous No.10404515]

>>10404486
It's not a price point.

If you're buying it just to brag.

Sounds unconscionable.

The wii can emulate more.

I hear what you're saying about accuracy and that's sounds like a scam.

Not saying it is, but we're not all speed runners.

You're a speed runner, you go man
You do you. Good luck. get on that board

[Anonymous No.10404517]

>>10404446
I don't get why these MiSTer threads attract so much autism either. I am all for the MiSTer but I am well aware that for the majority of people Retroarch is going to suit them just fine. It's stupid to fight about it. Especially with this level of insanity.

[Anonymous No.10404520]

you're all retards. I wonder how many of you spent the better half of a day justifying your life to these fucking strangers. MiSTer is superior because it has a direct interface with the display that isn't mitigated by drivers and OS layers. if you can't see the value in that, I hope you're at least enjoying some kind of retro game to be posting on this board regularly.

[Anonymous No.10404523]

>>10404472
Imma pray for you.

I've had sex with "moms"

that's no way to be. At all.

You don't know what youre saying.

Focus on something else.

best way to stay out of trouble.

[Anonymous No.10404525]

>>10404520
>MiSTer is superior because it has a direct interface with the display that isn't mitigated by drivers and OS layers
this is an upsettingly retarded statement.

[Anonymous No.10404527]

>>10404523
>I've had sex with "moms"
your dad's two weightlifting buddies from Planet Fitness are not "moms"

[Anonymous No.10404528]

>>10404503
That $400 shitrig is going to have it's fans blaring and use more power than a dozen MiSTers. It's all about efficiency. A PC needs a lot more hardware and requires a full operating system, while the MiSTer requires much less resources to accomplish the same task.

[Anonymous No.10404532]

>>10404528
so what you're saying is that i need to buy a $500 emulation console so i can play games that i can already emulate perfectly on my desktop because my fans might be "blaring"? how many fans do you think i could buy with $500?

[Anonymous No.10404535]

>>10404527
You're on Mars. Get help. You have no idea what your saying. You're 12.

[Anonymous No.10404538]

>>10404535
>You're on Mars.
you're on reddit but you don't see me complaining

[Anonymous No.10404539]

>>10404532
none bapparently

[Anonymous No.10404543]

>>10404491
I have a 50 dollar mini pc running bsnes just fine lmfao. Kill a watt says 45watts running bsnes. Not bad considering all I can play for one tenth the price of your meme machine

[Anonymous No.10404547]

>>10404539
>nigsters think you need to pay $500 for a fan
that about wraps things up

[Anonymous No.10404548]

>>10404543
can you use MSI Afterburner with Riva tuner overlay to show us how much usage the cycle accurate BSNES is using on that $50 mini rig?

[Anonymous No.10404552]

>>10404547
>pretending to walk away with the high ground
>fed a taste of their own price bait and now they wanna leave

[Anonymous No.10404553]

"Alexey Melnikov"

[Anonymous No.10404557]

>>10404548
I'm not installing that garbage on my manjaro build lmao

[Anonymous No.10404558]

>>10404552
>buying a poopster is a better value because, actually chud, PC fans all cost $500
the scary thing is that i can't actually tell if you're joking or retarded.

[Anonymous No.10404561]

I just want to discuss Mister in Mister threads and software emulation in software emulation threads. Why do people need to argue about which is better when both have their place?

[Anonymous No.10404564]

>>10404561
I use a combination of software emulation and MiSTer FPGA. Both have their place in all corners of vintage gaming but people are far too invested in the drama rather than sharing objective information.

[Anonymous No.10404565]

>>10404520
So it doesn't emulate GameCube

But it will use the same emulators that a wii can.

But it has fpga which is ... Software.. hardware .

Y'all wanted to be professional salesman

and here's your chance

[Anonymous No.10404570]

>>10404565
That double spacing look at me I'm special makes you look like a fag

[Anonymous No.10404589]

>>10404538
I said what I said and I meant it.

Never posted on Reddit.

Only used it to look up headphones.

Ended up using a YouTube video.think his name is sanjay

Bought Sony mdr 7506s

Reddit suggested beyerdynamic.

Mister is probably great for speedrunners or some meticulous vg player.

Not interested in investing in technology that is not understood

It is good there is an offering that emulates such as mister

But on the other hand.
I said what I said.

Read it again.

Nobody is perfect and neither is this damn emulator

[Anonymous No.10404593]

>>10404589
didn't read lol

[Anonymous No.10404602]

>>10404565
>Y'all wanted to be professional salesman
>and here's your chance
Just cause I know there is a human behind that keyboard, I'll humor you.

MiSTer FPGA is not a commercial product like the Analogue products are (yes, both use FPGA).

The only people profiting off of the MiSTer FPGA project are people like PorkchopExpress and UltimateMiSTerFPGA who sell add-ons and pre-built kits. You buy anything from MiSTerAddons or UltimateMiSTerFPGA, you're making them rich. They claim to be donating $1 to the MiSTer FPGA project for each sale, but they absolutely keep the rest of the money that doesn't go towards the storefront software they use.

Every add-on for the MiSTer FPGA can be cheap if you're capable of soldering the required parts. You still need to pay money to be able to use the Gerber files to get the PCBs printed and maybe have the modules pre-soldered for you. Unfortunately, not many companies you get get specialized PCBs from like to sell by the piece so you have to buy in multiples but it is still significantly cheaper per piece than buying from a website dedicated to selling ready-to-go MiSTer add-ons.

[Anonymous No.10404607]

>>10404570
Like nobody has ever worn glasses. Dont talk stupid to people over the internet fool.

[Anonymous No.10404608]

>>10404589
Double

Spaced

Didn't

Read

You

Are

A

Fag

[Anonymous No.10404624]

>>10404607
Are you saying you double space because you have poor eyesight? Are you phoneposting?

[Anonymous No.10404634]

>>10401786
>mine cost me $350. I spent $100 of that building a custom case.

Building a custom case? So aren't even factoring in how much your time is worth then. Do you recall think your time is worthless? Or the equipment you used to make that custom case cost nothing? Think anon. Think.

>all you need is $60 sdram and $30-$50 case or no case. oh and $7 otg usb hub so you dont wear out the de10 usb port.

So your answer is an extremely barebones naked setup with no case and the de10 connected to a USB hub? No one seriously uses that bum setup.

[Anonymous No.10404635]

>>10404624
No it's double Spaced lol

[Anonymous No.10404640]

>>10404602
"IF GAME CUBE BECOMES SUPPORTED IT WILL COST EXTRA AND YOU CAN SAUDER THAT SHIT YOURSELF GOOD LUCK"

Or you could have just said it like that

[Anonymous No.10404642]

>>10401284
I remember early on in 2021 when I took my MiSTer to my FGC locals, people thought I was playing on a Raspberry Pi hooked up to a PVM. It took at least a few months with regular updates to the CPS-2 core during beta before people were even interested in wanting to check it out. The owner of the spot kind of wanted to kick me out (he even made a public social media post demonizing FPGA as another scam targeting nostalgic gamers because he is a hardware purist). Once more people started bringing their MiSTer units, he finally gave it a chance and changed his tune almost right away. We helped him convert one of his candy cabs into an FPGA cab using the JAMMA kits. He's kind of opened up to it but he won't openly admit despite the fact.

[Anonymous No.10404648]

>>10404640
There's a ~$700 FPGA on the way that is marketed as being capable of pulling off Dreamcast in FPGA. Everyone in the MiSTer FPGA community is skeptical. Nobody is jumping on the hype, at least not out in the open.

[Anonymous No.10404649]

I hate wahoomers so much, they can't imagine anything past emulating marios.

[Anonymous No.10404656]

>>10404648
But if I buy a Mister, they don't make a profit from my purchase ... so that won't help them develope any faster. I hope I'm misunderstanding

[Anonymous No.10404659]

>>10404649
are the, quote unquote, "wahoomers" in the room with us right now?

[Anonymous No.10404661]

>>10404602
>Every add-on for the MiSTer FPGA can be cheap if you're capable of soldering the required parts. You still need to pay money to be able to use the Gerber files to get the PCBs printed
How delusional are these people? This is why Mister will always be a very niche product. It only appeals to people who have gear lust and love tinkering. It has absolutely zero style thanks to posts like this.

[Anonymous No.10404671]

>>10404649
Not gonna lie. If I pay 600 dollars (plus 100 for shipping) for this thing, I'd play super Mario Bros for five seconds, press pause and then turn that shit right off .

You're kidding yourselves.

The exact first thing I find is all the things that it couldn't do.

I go straight to the mane roms and see all the shit it couldn't run

probably be the first one I picked.

You think that thing can play all the name ROMs you're crazy.

It's an investmentm you think that guy's not making a profit you're crazy.

I guess it's a it's a heart mission huh

[Anonymous No.10404672]

>>10404661
Good.

[Anonymous No.10404680]

>>10404659
Yes they are.

[Anonymous No.10404687]

>>10404661
That is somewhat attractive. got to say

[Anonymous No.10404690]

>>10404671
Who's that guy?

[Anonymous No.10404701]

>>10404690
I'd say his name but I don't know if it's true for a fact. It's already posted in this thread

[Anonymous No.10404706]

>>10404661
Yes now you're getting it, Mister is an enthusiast project for people interested in fpga recreation of vintage systems. It is not an off the shelf consumer video game system.

[Anonymous No.10404707]

>>10404661
Imagine this same logic in 1990s:

>"Bro you could just build your own SNES your bro. You only need $100 dollars to buy the motherboard. My friend bought a cheap SNES case from the Chinese dollar store in Chinatown for like $10, but I just run mine without the case. You don't need a case. Just run the motherboard naked for better airflow. I screwed the motherboard to a wooden board I found on the side of the road for FREE. It's not expensive.
>I don't use official controllers either. Those are are a rip off from Nintendo. Only idiots spend money like that. I bought a used $3 dirty madcatz controller from a garage sale and hooked it up. All you need to do is tear open the cable and solder a new connector. It's like $2 dollars at Radio Shack to buy the connector and several hours of work with the soldering iron but totally worth it. I spent $150 max on my SNES setup. Only CHUMPS and dumb RICHFAGS spend $299 on the official SNES Nintendo from Toys R Us. "


That's how delusional Misterfags sound like to the rest of us.

[Anonymous No.10404712]

>>10404701
The only 'guy' is sorgelig who only makes money from patreon.

[Anonymous No.10404720]

>>10404712
So then how does further development continue.

That's very unattractive

[Anonymous No.10404726]

>>10404707
But think of how much you're saving on "the games." You see what I mean.

[Anonymous No.10404731]

>>10404720
Patreon.

[Anonymous No.10404739]

>>10404707
"I don't even use official Nintendo games either. This guy I know at Chinatown will put the latest games on a bootleg cartridge and costs like $20 for ten games. EASY money. So what if it's glitchy and the save games sometimes erase themselves??? Who caresStill better than those dumbasses who give Nintendo all that money. My solution is big brain and way better. I run Mario games at HALF the cost of Nintendo. Who cares if the screen has random pixels and sometimes Mario glitches and turns into Bowser? I saved more money than you."

I added some extra story for you. Nice post BTW.

[Anonymous No.10404740]

>>10404661
Well, listen, we live in a generation where everything can be profited off of, regardless if you had anything to do with the hard work that went behind it. The only people complaining are people too poor to buy in. Yeah, that's right, everything is a buy-in scheme. If you're too poor to pay, you are most likely rich in time. Don't have time or money? fuck you.

>youtube channels profit off bait reactions
>evercade profits off hoarder and FOMO bait
>LimitedRunGames profits off aftermarket reruns (most of which get scalped pretty fast)

Not to mention, projects like MiSTer FPGA or GP2040-CE both are full of people scraping any kind of profit they can.

[Anonymous No.10404746]

>>10403185
>With software emulation, a programmer has to basically guess how a system operates and try to approximate that through code alone
This is literally how FPGAs work as well - an engineer observes how the original console works and writes a VHDL or Verilog synthesis to mimic its functionality.

There aren't any official published implementations of actual hardware for FPGA, it's all just reverse-engineering.

[Anonymous No.10404758]

>>10404731
Alright. I see it.

[Anonymous No.10404763]

>>10404740
You don't have to say it like that.

Why don't you inform about what the fpga really is- the origin of it - who wrote it -when it was created -Why is it being used now

It's better to for people to understand the technology - that would add buy in as opposed to confounding them as to why people are selling it in the first place.

[Anonymous No.10404782]

>>10404570
You lost your fucking mind idiot.

[Anonymous No.10404802]

>>10404561
Same anon, same. I just want to talk about FPGA emulation devices, not have these stupid autistic arguments where idiots screech grade school level indults back and fourth at each other the entire thread. Most other threads in /vr/ are usually more civil than this, but some people seem hellbent on shitting up these threads and attracting similarly autistic people who are then hellbent attacking them back. These idiots are starting to make Discord seem like a reasonable place to go to.

Especially since now we are getting two newcomers in the FPGA market as well as Analogue making an FPGA N64.

[Anonymous No.10404806]

>>10404802
Does it come with a booklet.

Like a manual and diagrams or

Is it all online.

[Anonymous No.10404815]

>>10404806
It's not out yet so no fucking idea, I'm skeptical about MARS so not going to jump on the bandwagon until after it's out and there has been time to see if it lives up to it's claims. Systems that the MiSTer would not be capable of doing such as Dreamcast/Naomi are being heavily advertised though.

[Anonymous No.10404819]

>>10404763
I honestly don't care if you understand or not. In fact I want you to be repulsed by fpga along with all the other consumers and their endless demands to be spoonfed.

[Anonymous No.10404827]

>>10404763
Are you threatened by the fact that you might be too poor to be a portion of the complainers?

[Anonymous No.10404841]

>>10404802
>Analogue making an FPGA N64.
Almost every N64 game worth playing has been or soon will be decompiled and the Anal64 won't be open. I own a Pocket, it's great but have no reason to buy a proprietary non-handheld FPGA device.
>>10404815
>Dreamcast/Naomi
There aren't many Naomi games worth playing that aren't on Dreamcast. The only one I like is Senko no Ronde and that got has a sequel that is really more of a slight upgrade available on Steam.

[Anonymous No.10404842]

>>10404827
No I pay too much for stupid fucking shit all the time.

I want to believe in the product but you don't give me a reason to.

You're all full of it. Buy a f****** way

[Anonymous No.10404845]

>>10404842
>too stupid to understand fpga
>too lazy to Google
>too poor to afford one

Too bad so sad.

[Anonymous No.10404847]

>>10404827

No I pay too much for stupid fucking shit all the time.

Not disparaging anyone.
Appreciate all the answers

I want to believe in the product but you don't give me a reason to.

You're all full of it. Buy a wii.

[Anonymous No.10404850]

>>10404847
>Buy a wii.
I did. In 2006. I also bought a black one for $15 a few years ago because I thought it looked cute.

[Anonymous No.10404851]

>>10404845
I did look it up.

Almost posted it here

I'm going to read more about it later.

Sure he did a fine job.

[Anonymous No.10404853]

>>10404802
dont forget the fpga gbc
https://youtu.be/Cesh5OAL4uk?si=PonuhDkNvzxYNSIi

[Anonymous No.10404857]

>>10404101
He replied to a Patreon comment a week ago.

[Anonymous No.10404862]

>>10404634
>Uhhh you didn't factor in tinker time with updating cores and finding roms too!
Shut the fuck up chud. This is a hobby, no one is factoring in their personal time for something they enjoy.

[Anonymous No.10404863]

>>10404853
>$69 dollars
Honestly a good deal assuming they don't fuck you with shipping.

[Anonymous No.10404864]

>>10404850
Yeah, But the accuracy,man

The accuracy

[Anonymous No.10404869]

>>10404819
You're on Mars.

The pros and cons are already listed in this thread
we all have all the fucking notes.
But I'm not buying this shit from God the fuck knows who from God the fuck knows where your fuck crazy

you're the one who got sold the shit, not me. Talking about "it had blast processing" and all that shit man please

[Anonymous No.10404885]

>>10404841
>Almost every N64 game worth playing has been or soon will be decompiled and the Anal64 won't be open

There's been like... three that have been fully decompiled, and most of the others haven't been updated in years. They don't even cover a quarter of all the good N64 games.

I agree that it's stupid that it's closed though, but I assume it will be hacked like literally all the others.

>There aren't many Naomi games worth playing that aren't on Dreamcast.

If you emulate one you can more or less emulate the other since the hardware is practically the same, Atomiswave too.

[Anonymous No.10404898]

>>10404862
I realized anti-MiSTer fags think everything has to cost money. I lived long enough to come across people in college (I am 50 and still enroll in college classes because Technology moves forward) that people cannot fathom a period in time where people just put shit together for fun or at least for attention. Haxxorz used to fuck your shitty self-hosted website up because they could. Now anybody that know what github is will search a script that does that and more. Nobody values anything that won't elevate their social status or self worth past 1 point.

[Anonymous No.10404916]

>>10404898
>Nobody values anything that won't elevate their social status or self worth past 1 point.
Grumbled the boomer, as he enrolled in college classes to learn things he could teach himself for free online.

[Anonymous No.10404921]

>>10404634
>So aren't even factoring in how much your time is worth then.
lmao
lol
are you doing this during work hours? go fuck yourself you stupid homosexual

[Anonymous No.10404934]

>>10404916
you probably assume a lot by that, post, but we're both 4chan anons shitposting. One has negligible funds, the other can only wish.

[Anonymous No.10404940]

>>10404898
>>10404862
>Shut the fuck up chud. This is a hobby, no one is factoring in their personal time for something they enjoy.
Time is money. And Mister needs money for the project to grow. You making a de-10 nano case out of old greasy pizza boxes (just because you can) does not help devs.

[Anonymous No.10404947]

>>10404940
Shit man, if you knew the people who work on these open source projects.

>some wish they could live off of the open source projects they poured their hearts into
>others are just riveting from the joy that some side project they worked on is popular

People going tribal and believing there is some sort of competition are the most delusional. This thread proves that.

[Anonymous No.10404949]

>"Time is money!"

Complained the anon who has wasted hours complaining about a device he has no interest in purchasing on a 4chan board for people who still play 30+ year old vidya.

[Anonymous No.10404969]

>>10404947
These projects ask for monetary DONATIONS for a reason. Fun passions don't pay their bills. Just because you don't like being reminded of that fact doesn't make it any less true. Even your hobby needs money.

[Anonymous No.10404978]

>>10404969

Right? These anons are idiots bragging about little they spent. If anything the Mister devs need more money not less. But I guess these anons are too stupid to see that. They get a boner bragging about how much money they saved. Like extreme couponers at a grocery store who save $200 dollars buy 17 cases of laundry detergent. It's all one big game to anons here. Telling Mister devs how much money they saved is like going on some girl's OnlyFans page and telling her that you downloaded her videos for free because it was cheaper. Or telling a musician to their face that you didn't buy their song. Just downloaded for free. These anons don't even realize they are shooting themselves in the foot.

[Anonymous No.10404980]

>>10404969
You're blind to the fact that most core developers hold a job that pays more. Sorry, I'm "breaking kayfabe".

[Anonymous No.10404984]

>>10404949
>Complained the anon who has wasted hours complaining about a device he has no interest in purchasing on a 4chan board for people who still play 30+ year old vidya.
I was here long before you joined this board and started shilling your $600 dollar emulation box every single day.

[Anonymous No.10404991]

>>10404984
Bitch, I was on 4chan when it was only a handful of anime boards, long long before /vr/ existed.

[Anonymous No.10404997]

>>10404940
The only money Mister needs is for lamers to throw Sorgelig a bone on patreon, the dude deserves it.

[Anonymous No.10404998]

>>10404980
>You're blind to the fact that most core developers hold a job that pays more. Sorry, I'm "breaking kayfabe".
You're a liar. Almost every core dev has a patreon, or some other sort of donation page setup.

[Anonymous No.10405007]

>>10404991
I guarantee I've been here longer than you. Don't try it. I was here when moot was an eager young man making announcements about adding new anime boards (aka Nov 2003), saw his fall, and where we are today. We don't need shills like you pretending they are oldfags.

[Anonymous No.10405008]

>>10404998
>donation page
Why wouldn't they?

[Anonymous No.10405012]

>>10405008
>Stop bragging about being cheap. Mister devs need money too. Developing takes time and money.
>Mister devs don't need money or donations they have jobs!
>Actually here's their donation page
>uhhhh...

Lmao.

[Anonymous No.10405014]

>>10404998
Jotego has been involved in projects related to arcade game emulation, specifically in emulating and preserving the software from older arcade systems. There is a difference between knowing at what depth he has been involved in and the first thing Google shows.

[Anonymous No.10405019]

>>10405008
>>10404980
>You're blind to the fact that most core developers hold a job that pays more.
>You're blind to the fact that most core developers hold a job that pays more.

Look at the back pedaling. Kek

[Anonymous No.10405025]

>>10404998
I stopped patreoning jotego when he started working on the analog pocket. I know that Sorgelig could use some money.

[Anonymous No.10405031]

>>10404980
>You're blind to the fact that most core developers hold a job that pays more
Please continue telling me more how core developers don't want money.

[Anonymous No.10405034]

>now that the dust has le settled, hihi..
phaggot

[Anonymous No.10405038]

>>10405025
If it wasn't for the fact that I knew most core developers could live without Patreon (it has always been a courtesy in the FPGA community but people who want insisted on dumping money anyway changed that), I'd tell you to simply endorse those projects but not give any money to them.

[Anonymous No.10405043]

>>10404980
>>10405014
>There is a difference between knowing at what depth he has been involved in and the first thing Google shows.
Uh huh. And what's your excuse for this Mister core dev asking for more money?

[Anonymous No.10405054]

>>10405043
>>10405031
>>10405019
this is the result of people who insisted on giving them money.

>once the cores are out of beta, everyone else has access to the public cores

Some developers have found ways to make the pateron funding work or make sense, but they don't need it. Jotego has a team by the way. Not since the MiSTer.

[Anonymous No.10405056]

>>10404998
what you didnt post is how much their patreon makes vs their salary

[Anonymous No.10405057]

>>10405038
I'm certain that jotego does it full time funded from patreon, and has hired some guys. I'm also pretty sure that Sorgelig works on Mister full time too. Definitely Sorgelig deserves to be paid for creating this project.

[Anonymous No.10405064]

>>10405057
if you google his real name you will discover he is a big time AI guy and most likely very fucking rich

[Anonymous No.10405065]

>>10404980
>You're blind to the fact that most core developers hold a job that pays more. Sorry, I'm "breaking kayfabe".

We have a Mister core dev outright begging for donations to help pay for medical expenses....while you are here bragging about being as a cheap as possible. And yelling at anyone who spends money.

What was that you were saying about them having a job and were all "blind"? Or that personal time isn't important?

Please tell us more about how they do this for fun, and that their personal time they've invested doesn't matter?

Do continue anon. I want to hear more.

[Anonymous No.10405072]

>>10405064
I doubt that but whatever, I don't fund him only Sorgelig.

[Anonymous No.10405073]

>>10405065
what that guy work on?

[Anonymous No.10405078]

>>10405056
>what you didnt post is how much their patreon makes vs their salary

See
>>10405065

[Anonymous No.10405079]

>>10405072
thats who I was talking about, Sorgelig

[Anonymous No.10405083]

>>10405007
/vr/ didn't even exist back then so maybe take your zoomer self that definitely didn't Google that date out the door and stop being such a little bitch. You need to be 18 to post here you know and you have demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are well below that both mentally and physically.

[Anonymous No.10405084]

I would bet my left testicle the same guy whining about how the developers make money is the same retard who spent the last few weeks saying the people making the daughter boards were behind making all the mister threads.

[Anonymous No.10405086]

>>10405079
You are an idiot.

[Anonymous No.10405087]

>>10405065
>>10405072
>>10405073
this is very telling.

you guys have no idea what you're arguing against or arguing for.

I'm just going to say that certain forums are where google doesn't have permission to spider mine. not talking about the MiSTer Forums. Holy shit, I'm no longer replying to this thread.

[Anonymous No.10405097]

>>10405083
>/vr/ didn't even exist back then
No shit Sherlock. Way to state the obvious. I was here long before /vr/ and shills like you were a thing. That's my point. This site was better before people like you invaded trying to push your products or push your YouTube channels.

[Anonymous No.10405101]

>>10405087
Good fuck off dickhead and stay fucked off.

[Anonymous No.10405107]

>>10405097
The only person crapping all over this board is your autistic retarded underaged ass. The entire planet would be better off without people like you, and I will do my part starting now by starving your trolling ass from any more replies.

[Anonymous No.10405112]

>>10405087
>I was 100% wrong about the Mister core devs not asking for donations, but I'm going to pretend like everyone else is an idiot so I can leave the thread without looking like a loser.
This isn't an airport. You don't need to announce your departure. Stop it. You were wrong about Mister devs being rich and their job paying for everything.

[Anonymous No.10405115]

>>10405112
>please keep me financially stable with $1
you're stupid if you think that's not asking for tips. my local bartender hassles for tips in an upperscale bar and I'm poor by comparison.

[Anonymous No.10405120]

>>10405086
looks like him to me
https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=IasDrgEAAAAJ&hl=en

[Anonymous No.10405124]

>>10405115
>thinks you can only donate $1
What. a. Dumbass.

The number is adjustable to any amount you want. It just starts at $1 dollar. You would KNOW this if you actually donated any money to Mister devs. But you haven't despite shilling the Mister on the threads.

You are a fraud.

[Anonymous No.10405128]

>>10405120

I repeat

>>10405086

[Anonymous No.10405129]

>>10405124
I am an active FPGA developer.

[Anonymous No.10405132]

>>10405129
Thank you for your service.

[Anonymous No.10405136]

I fucking love playing my mister 10 hours a day and not having donated a single cent. god damn it feels good. I even request features on github regularly, several of which have been promptly implemented. and I dont even use those veatures lmao

[Anonymous No.10405137]

>>10405107
>I will do my part starting now by starving your trolling ass from any more replies.
Good. One less shill ruining this website. But we all know you won't stay away. People like you always come back.

[Anonymous No.10405146]

>>10405129
Lies. You probably run a low tier YouTube channel. You just talk about Mister, asks for support from viewers, and not actually donate anything to devs.

[Anonymous No.10405147]

Oh I never said I was going fucking anywhere, just not bothering replying to your bullshit anymore, have fun screaming into the void.

[Anonymous No.10405151]

MISTER FPGA INSIDER HERE AKS ME ANYTHING! SORGELIG IS A BILLIONAIRE ANG GETS $50 CUT OF EVERY MISTER APPLIANCE SOLD!!

[Anonymous No.10405150]

>>10404491
>Requires a more powerful PC

My guy, when I was in middle school and shit broke, I had to get by with a 2002 HP desktop PC I got free from a friend. It struggled to run HL2, and it was because it was so weak that I LOVED playing SNES games on it because it was so piss easy to emulate.

If you prefer a mister, by all means, go for it. But let's not act like playing SNES games on modern hardware's hasn't been super easy for the past decade

[Anonymous No.10405156]

>>10404980
>You're blind to the fact that most core developers hold a job that pays more
This is some serious mega cope.

[Anonymous No.10405162]

>>10405156
>posting the abandoned PSX core page
that's like saying "this basket of apples is rotten bause I found one rotten apple"

[Anonymous No.10405224]

>>10404980
Not really. Most of them have financial issues.

[Anonymous No.10405326]

>>10403972
Another eletrical engineer here, fuck off.

All that matters is if given the same input, you get the expected output, independently of talking about hardware or software.

If you are really an eletric engineer and cannot understand that hardware is merely a primitive stepping stone that enabled the existence of software, then better return your diploma and go flip burgers instead.

Your arguments are at the same level of the fags that say AI cannot be real because a human has soul that cannot be replicated. When in reality, given enough time, an AI will be able to emulate a human.

Then in the future you will have fucking mistafags making their own human bots out of scraps and posting in future /vr/ saying they are eletrical engineers and complaning about those who use free AI instead of their cobbled together autistt expensive 5000k bots.

At least my free emulators all have save states lmao.

[Anonymous No.10405332]

>mister threads
lmao

[Anonymous No.10405339]

>>10404707
>>10404739
I unironically did that and said that in the 90's.
Feels good to have never flushed money down the toilet in my life.

[Anonymous No.10405467]

>>10405065
Is this even a core dev or just some faggot? I know there's another dopefish who claims to be a MAME dev and he doesnt do shit except like clean up code lol

like pajeet tier github commits for a resume
dopefish justin or somethin was the name

[Anonymous No.10405476]

>>10404841
>There aren't many Naomi games worth playing that aren't on Dreamcast.
NAOMI has the best games.

[Anonymous No.10405481]

>>10405476
The poor mans Tetris with Cardcaptor Sakura

[Anonymous No.10405487]

>>10405481
A rip off of Chibi Maruko-Chan no Taisen Puzzle Dama.

[Anonymous No.10405509]

>>10404090
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Atari800_MiSTer
???

[Anonymous No.10405518]

>>10405487
That is a fun game but was made obsolete by Hanagumi Taisen Columns.

[Anonymous No.10405548]

>>10401520
My full MiSTer setup cost €285 total in June 2020. I pity the Johnny-come-latelys.

[Anonymous No.10405670]

>>10405548
Now adjust that price for inflation. That's what it costs today.

[Anonymous No.10405675]

>>10405014
Jotego has a team of two (maybe three now?) paid employees working FULL TIME on arcade core development. If he has a Patreon that allows a small minority to choose to contribute to their salary, allowing cores to be developed and released FOR FREE for the larger majority, then so be it.

[Anonymous No.10405684]

>>10404998
Jotego has a team of two (maybe three now?) paid employees working FULL TIME on arcade core development. If he has a Patreon that allows a small minority to choose to contribute to their salary, allowing cores to be developed and released FOR FREE for the larger majority, then so be it.

[Anonymous No.10405798]

>>10405670
You can't read.

[Anonymous No.10405821]

Thanks, but it’s still a used office AMD APU mini PC with batocera.

[Anonymous No.10405834]

>>10405684
>jumps into the conversation hours later
>misses the entire point.
>says having a patreon is good.

That's exactly what that anon was saying you fool.

The first anon said the Core Devs don't need donations and their jobs should cover everything.

Then anon responded with screenshots of Dev patreons saying it's not fine, and many of them are having financially difficulties.

If you are going to respond then spend a few minutes properly reading the thread.

[Anonymous No.10405860]

>>10405684
Jotego only has one person working for him, it used to be two but someone left at the start of the year.

[Anonymous No.10405874]

>>10405798
>You can't read.
If you can't do math then just admit it.

[Anonymous No.10405875]

>so this is better than emulation huh? That’s pretty cool
>well no, you see these platforms aren’t supported, and these still have bugs, and these are abandoned, and these need to use the CPU to help, and these aren’t possible because of hardware limitations, but other than that it’s superior to emulation yeah
>oh…..I think I’ll stick with emulation haha

[Anonymous No.10405915]

>>10405875
Massive sunken cost fallacy keeps these retards in check to keep supporting this meme machine. My raspberry pi can do all this shit that mistr does plus way more for way less.

[Anonymous No.10405945]

>>10405915
It can't emulate CPS1 or CPS2 accurately, neither can MAME.

[Anonymous No.10405962]

>>10405945
There is a reason why MiSTer FPGA is being used in place of superguns setups.

[Anonymous No.10405963]

How much of my cum can I put into it before it breaks?

[Anonymous No.10405972]

>>10405963
Probably a lot. There are no moving parts if you have a fanless set up.

[Anonymous No.10405973]

>>10405962
I know that but we're all wasting our time arguing with poor south Americans and zoomers in this thread that only know emulation and that's their only baseline, so for them, everything is perfect.

It's pointless.

[Anonymous No.10405981]

I literally just purchased a mini PC to run through a GBS-C to a CRT so I can run emulators and fightcade on a CRT. Big fucking mistake. I should have gotten another mister. Emulation is for niggers. Nothing runs as well as it does on mister. Mister is the way of the white man. People say Saturn emulation and n64 emulation is good now, it isn't, mister cores already running shit better than emulators that have been around for over a decade.

[Anonymous No.10406005]

Compare these two LGR videos. In the first video he converts arcade PCBs to play them on a consumer CRT. In the second video, he adapts an FPGA into a JAMMA arcade cabinet. I think having every option at your disposal is worth more than arguing over which method someone else prefers.

Setting Up & Playing Classic Arcade Game PCBs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eqi30EJi3U

Upgrading a 90s Arcade Machine with MiSTercade - FPGA Gaming Excellence!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJBBfxX-E4c

[Anonymous No.10406019]

>>10406005
also, he correctly pronounces TATE mode, which is rare in English spoken videos about arcade games. Damn!

[Anonymous No.10406034]

Did the mods just really delete my post that basically said FPGA is for white men?

[Anonymous No.10406035]

>>10406034
Good, it’s not true

[Anonymous No.10406043]

>>10406035
Its definitely true. Emulators are for nogs and indigenous losers.

[Anonymous No.10406045]

>>10406034
Actually, quite a handful of posts were removed. I wish I had 4chanX on this PC so I could screenshot them. Someone got proven wrong several times or just got rekt by a troll reply, and those posts in particular were removed. If mods keep sweeping posts like that, it's gonna ruin the legitimacy of both fact posts and troll posts.

[Anonymous No.10406070]

>>10405875
>and these need to use the CPU to help
lol, you keep thinking that bro.

[Anonymous No.10406080]

>>10406005
>In the first video he converts arcade PCBs to play them on a consumer CRT
Using supergun isn't converting the PCB.
>In the second video, he adapts an FPGA into a JAMMA arcade cabinet
MiSTercade isn't adapting the FPGA, its just adding the necessary IO to support JAMMA.

[Anonymous No.10406084]

>>10405962
>superguns setups.
The main reason is that arcade boards made in the 1990s are pushing 30 years old now. Many of them are failing with time. So a replacement solution is needed.

[Anonymous No.10406094]

>>10406084
This is not the main reason at all. Most things that fail on boards are just capacitors and those are easy fixes. Mask roms will last longer than you will. Only some boards with notoriously faulty chips will go bad.

The real issue is fucking space and handling events. No one wants to take their arcade pcb everywhere while lugging around their wire jungle for their supergun, and then trusting random tourney retards with their stuff to not destroy it or fry it.

Stop being a retard.

[Anonymous No.10406128]

>>10405875
>now that the dust has settled on my MiSTer that is never used because it doesn't support anything so I just gave up and used emulators like a normal person

[Anonymous No.10406162]

>>10406094
>Most things that fail on boards are just capacitors and those are easy fixes.
As an owner of numerous arcade boards and arcade cabinets in my collection, your statement is absolute and total bullshit. There are more things than just capacitors that can fail. I can't even believe you just typed that statement with confidence.

>Stop being a retard.
You have no idea what you are talking about. You really don't want to have a technical discussion with me about arcade boards. I will call out any bullshit you try to use.

[Anonymous No.10406172]

>>10405962
>There is a reason why MiSTer FPGA is being used in place of superguns setups.
Well I was just at a fighting game tournament. The latest console version of games were used. There are so many options these days.

[Anonymous No.10406187]

I've always felt like a lot of the Mister hate comes from fat neckbeards who don't even enter their living room. I wouldn't bother with the Mister if my whole life was just spent at a desk, I'd just use software emulators. But for use on my CRT and big 4K telly, the Mister is the best emulation box I've ever used, and I've used them all. It just fucking werks, it feels like real hardware but with a slew of nice little options. I've beaten so many games on it and its so nice to have a modern platform with zero bullshit and zero distractions. Love me mister, don't care about convincing people who don't like it.

[Anonymous No.10406205]

>>10406162
I said the most common you absolute mongaloid, I never said it's only capacitors, get some reading comprehension.
I've done my share of arcade PCB repairs and the most common shit is a damage EPROM/MASK rom or capciators. Custom chips do go bad and you can always replace them with the same one.

I own more arcade boards than you, guaranteed. I've brought my boards to gatherings and local tournaments.
You are absolutely a stupid larping mongaloid.

[Anonymous No.10406238]

>>10406187
>I've always felt like a lot of the Mister hate comes from

The hate the platform receives is caused by several things.

1. The extreme promises made by shills and YouTubers who made big promises about it being the next big thing with zero lag or issues. That it's not "emulation". It's something different. When in reality it's just hardware emulation. It's not perfect, and devs are constantly tweaking things just like software Emulation to improve performance.

2. The insane prices some websites charge for the product. I've seen $400 to $600 from a few websites. The hardware doesn't justify the costs.

3. The elitist attitude fans in these threads have about their Mister and shitting on normal software Emulation. Or shitting on people who don't want to learn to solder or tinker or tweak electronics.

4. The bizarre need to constantly have a /vr/ Mister thread despite no major updates having been made. It's fine if there's a big core update, but to have an on-going Mister thread every single day is ridiculous. That's more than other more popular platforms.

5. YouTubers who shill their YouTube channel that covers Mister and FPGA. They post links to their shitty videos on nearly every retro game forum, reddit, Facebook group, discord, and social media almost Every day.

(Looking at you Anthony. Cut that that shit out. You piss off a lot of people)

So by association some people now hate Mister because of those YouTubers.

6. Mister fans who brag about saving money in the most ghetto ways, but do nothing to actually support the Mister project. Not even donating $1 to their patreon

[Anonymous No.10406282]

>>10406205
>I said the most common you absolute mongaloid,
We all know what you said. You used weasel words to give yourself a "soft out" in case anyone called you out on your bullshit. But caps are a given with age of these boards. Everyone in arcade community knows that. Actual things that really malfunction or are problematic are completely different. There are arcade machines that are notorious for issues beyond caps.

>I own more arcade boards than you, guaranteed.
No you don't. I'm a rich fag now, and have been involved with arcade machines since I was young teen. Some of my family ran an arcade back in the day and I worked in the industry for years. I guarantee you haven't actually handled some amount of arcade machines or done the amount of repairs I have. I was the teen working behind the counter while you were playing with friends at Aladdin's Castle and Namco Cyber Station. Then I was get tutored in the back of the arcade by the repair techicians on fixing boards, machines, and Arcade CRT monitors. This was decades ago.

[Anonymous No.10406293]

>>10406282
What bullshit? Youy haven't refuted anything. You've just said a bunch of words that don't really mean anything.

Where are your boards anon? What events have you attended?

>You really don't want to have a technical discussion with me about arcade boards.

I absolute do anon. I'd love to see how far your LARP can carry you. It won't be far.

[Anonymous No.10406325]

>>10406238
not my problem

[Anonymous No.10406348]

>>10406293
You said:

>"Most things that fail on boards are just capacitors and those are easy fixes."

You're just plain wrong. Caps are not the only thing to fail. Not to mention capacitor failure are only common NOW because of their old age. This was not common 20 years ago when these machines were newer. They had other notorious issues.

I also have no idea why you are posting pictures of basic diagnostic equipment and a single arcade board.

[Anonymous No.10406359]

I have a few arcade boards, consoles that are RGB modded, a MisterFPGA, and I know how to use MAME.

I'd like to do some comparison videos and maybe put them on Youtube for everyone. Not trying to say any of them are better, but observing and sharing the results would be interesting.

[Anonymous No.10406369]

>>10406348
Do you understand what the word most means you mong? Most is not ALL.
>This was not common 20 years ago when these machines were newer. They had other notorious issues.
No shit retarrd, it was 74xxx logic chips going bad that needed to be logic analyzed and most shitty arcade techs would just jump them to always be true or false rather than replace them.

>I also have no idea why you are posting pictures of basic diagnostic equipment and a single arcade board.

You haven't shown shit and if you knew anything you'd realize there was two arcade boards. I'm done talking to you, you're just another dumb retard on a basket weaving forum, final (you). Eat shit.

[Anonymous No.10406374]

>>10404113
Unless you play with your ham face glued to the screen, you're not going to play with sprites that size. These zoomed in comparisons are idiotic and always have been, especially because the thumbnails are more accurate to the actual display and always look better unfiltered.

[Anonymous No.10406378]

>>10404181
>actual gamers

[Anonymous No.10406392]

>>10406348
only on 4chan will you see someone try to act like an expert while simulatenously being extremely vague, lmao

[Anonymous No.10406442]

>>10406369
>Do you understand what the word most means you mong?
Capacitors are a given, but are only an issue because of their age. On paper, they are not the thing that fails the "most". The biggest point of failure is entirely dependent on the specific board being worked on.

[Anonymous No.10406459]

>>10406359
Sorry but this isn't a place for discussion, it's for screeching your preferred way to play is superior and anything else couldn't possibly be worth doing.

[Anonymous No.10406496]

>>10406459
Yeah, I'll have to motivate myself to do it some day. I'm really curious how well the Megadrive core gets the audio correctly compared to console and emulator.
Also some of the arcade boards outside of CPS1/2 would be interesting to see.
But ya, I know this place is not the place for this, most anons just want to shit on each other indefinitely.

[Anonymous No.10406536]

>>10406238
Your whole post is focused on personal problems and useless drama. Who gives a shit about whether the MiSTer is hated or not? What is your personal take based on your experience with the platform?

[Anonymous No.10406632]

>>10406496
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/MegaDrive_MiSTer/issues/5
New core’s audio still needs work. Nukeykt’s option in Retroarch Genesis Plus GX will sound about the same as both are from the same decap info.

[Anonymous No.10406742]

I have a question, how come N64 software emulation, despite having decades ahead of FPGA, still have stuttering issue while the FPGA loads the games it currently supports without any stuttering? The FPGA core is still being developed.

[Anonymous No.10406751]

>>10406742
Software emulators still use HLE, there's no (usable) software emulators doing nothing but LLE, I think Project64 has a LLE plugin but it's only for the PPU or something.

Basically no one has bothered to make a low level, cycle accurate n64 software emulator

[Anonymous No.10406764]

>>10405326
>save states
cringe

[Anonymous No.10406780]

>>10406751
Oh yeah, didn't someone say that the code for the N64 emulator as it is right now would need to be redone from scratch in order to be better? Pretty sure once Robert Peip finishes up the N64 core, someone will look at his code and write a new emulator.

[Anonymous No.10406782]

>>10406780
No idea, but I think there were some hardware leaks that happened recently that will allow people to emulate it much more accurately

[Anonymous No.10406798]

>>10406019
it's pronounced tayt, as in short for roTATE. the japanese pronunciation is wrong, the word is not LOTATAY

[Anonymous No.10406809]

>>10406798
Fuck off, Game Suck. Go retweet some more furry artists.

[Anonymous No.10406815]

>>10406780
The gist of current N64 emulation is that every single one currently maintained has been around for some 20 years, Mupen64plus/Simple64 is the best one overall but it's still HLE-based and built on top of code from the era where that was the only standard. Any projects to start a new emu from scratch have just died on their ass, so if the Mister findings can help break the cycle and finally get people moving away from ancient emus I'm all for it.

[Anonymous No.10406816]

>>10406238
>Mister fans who brag about saving money in the most ghetto ways, but do nothing to actually support the Mister project. Not even donating $1 to their patreon

me!
I leave a tip every time I use self checkout, I let walmart.com keep my change every time I make a purchase. but I will never, ever, donate a single penny to any dev ever! ha ha hah

[Anonymous No.10406830]

>>10406742
forget n64, SNES and even NES games still stutter on every PC emulator I've ever tried

in every thread I ask the haters to post a video of them running back and forth in the widest part of the Millenial Fair in Chrono Trigger and no one will fucking do it

[Anonymous No.10406839]

>>10406782
Mazamars spent the last few years reverse engineering the hardware and writing a bunch of new tests and info on n64brew which Ares and the MiSTer core have both benefited from. It’s rumoured that it is their work that wil be in the Analogue console.

http://www.ultrafp64.com/

[Anonymous No.10406841]

>>10406830
are you talking about stutter or slowdown?

I'll do it, how many party members should there be and where exactly? I'm not a hater, but curious what the expected behavior is supposed to be

[Anonymous No.10406863]

>>10406798
Tate” is a shortened form of the Japanese verb “tateru,” which means “to stand.” Pronounced “tah-teh,” though the common mispronunciation of “tayte” has gained semi-acceptance. Also commonly spelled with all capital letters (“TATE”), though it is not an acronym.

[Anonymous No.10406879]

>>10406632
Did you read that thread? He fixed it.

[Anonymous No.10406886]

>>10406879
Read the thread, he hasn’t fixed it yet, just looked into a potential solution.

[Anonymous No.10406891]

>>10406886
It's just a filter.

[Anonymous No.10406896]

>>10406891
A filter which hasn’t been implemented yet.

[Anonymous No.10406981]

>>10401546
mine cost just under $250AUD in total. OTG hub and 3d-printed case with fan. This was before the price-hikes on the DE10 tho. I'd played one a few times and even after years on GroovyMAME through a CRT and owning a few original consoles it was eye-opening, so decided to take the plunge. Been playing megadrive and 486 (the latter not being perfectly accurate, but being tied into it without a modern OS to fall back on adds to the immersion)

[Anonymous No.10406984]

>>10406896

[Anonymous No.10406987]

>>10406981
What is a perfectly accurate 486?

[Anonymous No.10407043]

>>10406987
a real 486

[Anonymous No.10407049]

>>10407043
There was a lot of variety even in that space, DX/SX/33/66+. It's not worth the effort to have a cycle accurate 486 core, especially when at the time everyone wanted some sort of overdrive.

[Anonymous No.10407056]

>>10407049
>It's not worth the effort to have a cycle accurate 486 core
Why not? Why wouldn't you want that? Pick one of them and emulate it correctly.

[Anonymous No.10407068]

>>10407056
But why? PC software of the era has no requirement for accuracy. Only early DOS software gets mad if the CPU is too fast and there's a PCXT core for that.

[Anonymous No.10407075]

>>10407068
Preservation.

[Anonymous No.10407084]

>>10407075
Fund it then.

[Anonymous No.10407093]

>>10406984
That update didn’t fix it, the proposed solution didn’t work.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/MegaDrive_MiSTer/pull/19

[Anonymous No.10407095]

>>10407084
????

[Anonymous No.10407135]

>>10407095
You heard me, put some money up to get it developed if you want it.

[Anonymous No.10407149]

>>10407135
Why ? I'm not complaining about it nor am I begging for it. You asked why you would want that and I told you. Fucking autist.

[Anonymous No.10407184]

This guy said ,in the commodore thread said,

"you can use a Mister FPGA to run cubase on Atari ST and plug in midi, it works exactly the same."

Is that so. This one mister wiki says that Atari ste is a wip.

It also doesn't list the msx.

[Anonymous No.10407187]

Fellas, is this the most autistic thread on the board?

[Anonymous No.10407194]

>>10407187
Yes.

[Anonymous No.10407202]

>>10407184
?

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/MSX1_MiSTer

[Anonymous No.10407205]

>>10407184
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiYBDQQIgEM

[Anonymous No.10407224]

>>10407202

Commission these guys.

https://www.msx.org/

[Anonymous No.10407226]

>>10407205
That's freaking amazing.

Didn't know that

[Anonymous No.10407238]

>>10406830
Are you still using a pentium 4 on windows xp lmfao I've never had a snes stutter emulating that wouldn't be there in og hardware. I own both

[Anonymous No.10407242]

>>10407238
he never replied to me either, so i guess he's just some troll

[Anonymous No.10407248]

>>10407184
A lot of documentation for the MiSTer is severely out of date, so you gotta keep up with githubs and the community.

[Anonymous No.10407249]

>>10406780
Awesome. Then I can have for free what idiots paid 500 dollars for xD

[Anonymous No.10407283]

>>10407238
>>10407242
He probably posted and thought nobody would take him seriously. I'd appreciate seeing the comparisons.

>>10407249
enjoy, fren :)

[Anonymous No.10407294]

>>10406378
What would you call those who refuse to accept your illegitimate emulation?

[Anonymous No.10407295]

>>10406369
did this retard really claim to be an arcade technician and call an oscilloscope and a wave form generator 'basic diagnostic equipment'...fuckin lol

[Anonymous No.10407303]

>>10407295 meant for >>10406348

[Anonymous No.10407305]

>>10407294
If you unironically ever call yourself a gamer you should be euthanized.

[Anonymous No.10407310]

>>10407305
I'm a gamer

[Anonymous No.10407458]

Not getting off that easy

I'm going to keep asking questions

So half of you start half your thread asking stupid stupid questions

Severely stupid

if you can start a thread by asking some dumbass question you could have looked up them I can ask a question I'm a thread

When I buy a mister and I want to put my game that I downloaded from archive.com for preservation purposes

Do I use a SD an HD a USB a floppy what's going on.

And all you haters can eat a dick straight up because you look like a bunch of socialist scared as hell as somebody is marketing a product.

You can take it or like it

if you don't like it don't look at it.

[Anonymous No.10407473]

>>10407458
Mister has a Linux system running the show. On mine I have a main microSD for the system files. I also have a USB thumbdrive plugged in where I keep all my images/roms/games/hdv etc. I transfer files with SFTP over the network, but can also plug the USB drive straight into my PC if I want to copy a lot of files as it's faster.

If you want to get tricky some cores support the second microSD slot directly, I use it for Spectrum Next which I swap between Mister and my real ZXnext.

Some cores also support network over PPP, or use terminal protocols like zmodem if you really want to get in the experience.

[Anonymous No.10407507]

>>10407473
Thumbs up.

[Anonymous No.10407520]

The best aspect of Mister for me is the computer cores which are really nice and accurate, and you can interface with them. Some dudes put Mister in their Jamma cabinets which also seems like a solid way to drive those arcade CRT.

If you're just looking for a way to do marios then this device is probably not for you, however I've seen SNES fans spend hundreds of dollars on various one-chip versions to get clear video, where the Mister really has nice video and works with the native controllers too. Even lightguns work.

[Anonymous No.10407557]

>>10407520
By "do Marios," You mean "speed runs"

[Anonymous No.10407565]

>>10407557
I doubt the tendies here on /vr/ do speed runs.

[Anonymous No.10407604]

>>10407565
Speed runners are worse than tendies. Fps, rts and fighting game bros are the true kings.

[Anonymous No.10407616]

>>10407565
I don't know that

[Anonymous No.10407617]

>>10407458
Holy fuck it's the double spacing fag

[Anonymous No.10407619]

>>10407305
I'm a pro gamer.

[Anonymous No.10407624]

>>10407617
He's been everywhere. Once you see it, you can't unsee it.

[Anonymous No.10407625]

>>10407619
You forgot the gamer words, amateur

[Anonymous No.10407660]

>>10406841
just chrono is fine. the first screen of the fair where the footrace is takin place. find the longest horizontal path, its in the lower portion of the map, and run all the way to the left, all the way to the right, from map edge to map edge.

[Anonymous No.10407668]

>>10407238
post video then >>10407660

[Anonymous No.10407670]

>>10401409
Most analog TVs can be modified to accept RGB, look into jungle mods.

[Anonymous No.10407682]

>>10407520
I thought it had unfinished computer cores, aren’t the x68000 and MSX unfinished and abandoned

[Anonymous No.10407693]

>do you know know how many arcade cabinets I've repaired in my life motherfucker, I'm straight, I've earned my stripes, REEEE
>man shut the fuck up, you ain't fix shit, I'm the real OG, ask anyone - I'm rich baby, rich!
This thread is bussin'. I'll keep reading, you guys will probably become lovers by the end.

[Anonymous No.10407710]

>>10407660
Alright, this was retroarch using BSNES-MERCURY-BALANCED

I'll do mister just for funsies next post

[Anonymous No.10407724]

>>10407710
Here's the mister SNES core 23.08.03

[Anonymous No.10407727]

>>10407682
MSX is fine, I think it's MSX2 which is half-baked. X68k I haven't tried yet. But C64/Vic20/Amstrad/Speccy/Amiga/AppleII/ST/XT etc all work great, as does MSX it plays games fine anyway.

[Anonymous No.10407732]

>>10407670
Mister now outputs rgb, ypbpr, svideo, cvbs.

[Anonymous No.10407737]

>>10401295
Actually true.

>>10401409
I got one of those y/c active adapters from retrocastle on aliexpress. Works well. The default setting on the PC Engine core corrects the colours for RGB.

[Anonymous No.10407739]

>>10407727
That's unsat.

Talk to Msx.org see if they can help

[Anonymous No.10407740]

>>10407710
>>10407724
I actually do notice some sort of stuttering in bsnes, heh, weird.

[Anonymous No.10407748]

>>10407740
I'm gonna get my snes out now.

[Anonymous No.10407750]

>>10401803
How far off are we from a finished saturn core, realistically?

[Anonymous No.10407751]

>>10407732
Yeah I'm aware. But the dude asked about composite support. Like what, if composite is all you got, start hacking that jungle chip. Others woulda simply jumped to component, but you know how autists are.

[Anonymous No.10407754]

>>10407682
pc98 and x68k cores are more like unfinished proof of concept releases

[Anonymous No.10407756]

>>10407754
Gotta have those 100 %

[Anonymous No.10407778]

>>10407740
its really horrible when dashing in ALttP.

I always thought it was "accurate" slowdown.

[Anonymous No.10407786]

>>10407724
There it is ladies and gentlemen, the 500 dollar difference lmfao you pathetic mistr faggots. How in the fuck does this make a lick of difference. Maybe the tranny forgot to dot his last I before allegedly ending it. But literally who gives a fuck.

[Anonymous No.10407792]

>>10407710
What exactly causes this? I play kaizo mario and this was the main thing i noticed switching from emulator (bsnes or snes9x core) to FPGA stuff. runahead fixes the lag but this stutter was inconsistent and noticeable, and my computer is massive overkill for SNES emulation

[Anonymous No.10407849]

>>10407786
Haters shit up these FPGA threads saying that emulation is exactly equivalent to FPGA, yet here you can clearly see it's not. Keep moving those goalposts though hater.

[Anonymous No.10407903]

>>10407786
The stutter is pretty prevelant at the 5 second mark. Other areas in the video also. Also mister's aren't $500 unless you buy from, the retarded store fronts trying to make money off them. You can build them yourself for half the price.

[Anonymous No.10407905]

>>10407792
No idea, I have no beef in this argument but was actually really surprised it exists. I just wanted to make the vid to entertain myself and the anon, but he's actually right.

[Anonymous No.10407920]

>>10407792
>my computer is massive overkill for SNES emulation
Oh didn't see this, I also have a pretty beefy PC so it's not that causing the stutter. My shitty old i5 ran bsnes just fine.

>>10407786
It means there's definitely something off with emulation and it may not be a big deal in a JRPG like this but in other games like the kaizo anon mentioned, it would most certainly affect how you play.

[Anonymous No.10407929]

>>10407849
>mistr emulation is better than traditional emulation because
>"checks notes"
>a rpg stutters in a random ass town on bsnes lmfao

Do you have any idea how retarded you sound

[Anonymous No.10407934]

>>10407929
>cant read

[Anonymous No.10407950]

>>10407792
What comes to mind is SNES actually runs at 60.0988Hz and not 59.94Hz but by default "Sync to Exact Content Framerate" should be off and it should slow down by .26% instead of doing that, ostensibly. That's why people shill VRR for emulation anyways. Apparently if you have your refresh rate set to non-60Hz you also get judder for whatever reason. The point is I don't think it's an emulation issue but a device settings issue.

[Anonymous No.10407954]

>>10407950
I'm using GSYNC though.

[Anonymous No.10407969]

>>10406987
ok, fair reaction. I believe the ao486 core uses the DDR3 and i think the arm chip, which in FPGA terms, isn't. It runs a fair bit faster than a DX2 66 though.

[Anonymous No.10408104]

>>10407954
is your emulator set up do deliver a custom video mode, whatever that means in this case, or is it just grabbing a 60Hz mode?

[Anonymous No.10408117]

>>10404121
the advantage of CRT is much slimmer now because OLED response time and other modern features, but you're leaving out one major detail. Even on MiSTer, digital out requires scaling, which means a framebuffer, which means at LEAST a frame of latency, if not multiple. Analog is effectively instant.
I'll concede that it's negligible or even imperceptible in most cases with the right setup, but it's inaccurate to say they are identical
also motion clarity is still not there, even with BFI

[Anonymous No.10408175]

>>10408117
There will always be some abstraction as well. With the analog board, the core video circuit is directly driving the raster beam of the display. When you connect to HDMI there is always some abstraction to that, even with the Mister's excellent vsync_adjust setting.

[Anonymous No.10408253]

>>10408117
>Even on MiSTer, digital out requires scaling, which means a framebuffer, which means at LEAST a frame of latency, if not multiple
Not true if you're using vsync_adjust=2 which adds only 4 lines of latency, or about 1/4 of a millisecond. Works perfect on my freesync monitor, but not so good for most TVs afaik.

[Anonymous No.10408515]

>>10408117
> Even on MiSTer, digital out requires scaling, which means a framebuffer, which means at LEAST a frame of latency, if not multiple.
It would be nice if people could at least TRY and make themselves better informed before filling these threads with absolute no stop rubbish like the above? Is that too much to ask?

[Anonymous No.10408524]

>>10408515
You need a framebuffer for shaders.

[Anonymous No.10408564]

>>10408524
You dont need a framebuffer as that the filters (they aren’t shaders) are done on the FPGA, the latency cost is approx two scanlines.

[Anonymous No.10409264]

>>10406238
>The elitist attitude fans in these threads have about their Mister and shitting on normal software Emulation.

Almost all the elitism I see is of the "Just get a Pi" crowd, and that crowd is not limited to complaining about the MiSter either.

[Anonymous No.10409360]

>>10407710
I don't have this issue using snes9x core.

[Anonymous No.10409374]

>>10409360
Snes9x still has sound issues with Super Maro All Stars lol. Don't forget to Ctrl-alt-del when you get a virus on Windows XP, boomer.

[Anonymous No.10409442]

>>10409374
At least it doesn't present that pathetic stuttering in Chrono Trigger.

[Anonymous No.10409559]

>>10406751
There was a cycle-accurate emulator being made called CEN64, but it hasn't been updated in over a year and still barely works, it's likely dead.

>>10406782
The problem with using leaks is that it can open up your emulator to being sued. When the Gigaleak happened I recall the Dolphin team putting out a tweet mentioning how they had no interest in even glancing at any of the information for their emulator. And Nintendo of all people loves to sue at the drop of a hat.

[Anonymous No.10409574]

>>10409559
>The problem with using leaks is that it can open up your emulator to being sued
Most people in these threads wouldn't understand that while reverse engineering is a completely legally protected activity, you absolutely cannot use copyrighted documents.

[Anonymous No.10409617]

>>10409574
Maybe the people making those arguments are ex-Tengen employees

[Anonymous No.10409670]

>>10407710
>BSNES-MERCURY-*
Don't use trash, use the real bsnes core (called "bsnes"). It doesn't have the 3 accuracy levels garbage and you should be able to turn the individual options up to highest accuracy without a problem, the exception is PPU accuracy that is used to correctly make a shadow in Air Strike Patrol.

[Anonymous No.10409701]

>>10409442
it also doesnt run games at the correct speed either

[Anonymous No.10409710]

>>10407710
>>10407724

Interesting, I tried it myself and got different results depending on the emulator:

bSNES: Same as in the video, stutters

snes9x: Oddly, this was completely smooth

bizhawk with the Faust, snes9x, and bsnes cores:
Smooth with the rare stutter, enabling V-Sync removed

These were all being done on an old piece of shit CPU and GPU though, so I tried it on a newer system, and got the exact same results. Which leads me to believe it's not the emulation itself but the video output/monitor refresh rate. I couldn't find a vsync option for bsnes, does it even have one or was I being stupid?

Oh, and just for the fuck of it I tried it in zsnesW too. Stuttery as fuck, and enabling vsync not only somehow made it stutter even worse but somehow ADDED screen tearing. I thought the whole point of vsync was to remove screen tearing.

[Anonymous No.10409748]

>>10409710
The SNEs ran at 60.08hz, your PC is running at 60.00hz. The mismatch causes a periodic stutter. The solution is to use dynamic rate control, available on the later versions of bSNES and enabled by default in Retroarch. This syncs the audio and video to the refresh rate of your monitor. You will then get perfectly smooth scrolling at the cost of playing at not quite the correct speed.

[Anonymous No.10409757]

>>10409748
How is snes9x working smoothly then?

[Anonymous No.10409813]

>>10407750
The Saturn core is surprisingly stable now, finally feels like the PSX core did when it was in public beta. There are still some issues with sound, music is often too quiet and some sound effects are missing. Give it a few months and we are golden.
The big issue currently is that a lot of users with v2.5 of SDRAM boards complain about far more common sound drop outs. Similar to how Jotego was getting a lot of RAM speed complaints a few years ago, forcing him to rewrite cores to work at lower speeds, many SDRAM units of that version and below are actually underperforming on really demanding cores. If you are lucky and have a reliable v2.5 SDRAM or v2.9/v3.0 SDRAM, there shouldn't be a problem.

[Anonymous No.10409879]

>>10409757
SNES9x is inaccurate, probably isn’t pushing the original timings like bSNES.

[Anonymous No.10409958]

>>10407295
Oscilloscopes are pretty standard repair/diagnostic equipment. A multimeter isn't going to cut it if you want to determine if an IC is failing unless it's failed so catastrophically that all it's completely dead. You can get a decent chink one that would be enough for fixing 25+ year old hardware for around $50 these days.

[Anonymous No.10410009]

Both bsnes (v115) and snes9x-current Retroarch cores don't exhibit those stutterings in my tests.

[Anonymous No.10410053]

>>10409748
>The SNEs ran at 60.08hz, your PC is running at 60.00hz.

>>10409879
>SNES9x is inaccurate, probably isn’t pushing the original timings like bSNES.

I am guessing snes9x just simply runs the games at 60hz?

Now I am curious how much of a difference does that .08Hz can make. Is it something that is noticeable to the human eye even casually? Or if you were intentionally looking for it? Or would it not be noticeable even then?

Does it effect the pitch of music or sound effects?

Would someone like a speedrunner actually be able to tell if a game is running at 60Hz or 60.08Hz? Or would the difference even throw them off?

>>10410009
>Both bsnes (v115) and snes9x-current Retroarch cores don't exhibit those stutterings in my tests.

Any idea if v-sync is enabled and/or if it's trying to force the game at 60hz? I had similar experiences with the bsnes and snes9x cores in BizHawk when V-Sync was enabled, but had occasional stuttering with it disabled.

[Anonymous No.10410097]

>>10410053
Speedrunners pretty much only talk about a game being theoretically 9-10s slower in a 1h run and not actual gameplay differences.

[Anonymous No.10410105]

>>10409958
stfu retard

[Anonymous No.10410142]

>>10410105
Oh, my mistake, they are $12-15, so less than even a decent multimeter.

Of course, these are only useful for those who can actually solder worth a damn because they come as a kit you have to assemble, so I can see why someone like you would lash out over it.

[Anonymous No.10410150]

>>10410142
>mr arcade technican advocating for shitty chinese oscilloscopes
ur an expert all right, lmao

[Anonymous No.10410162]

>>10410142
You really are a fucking retard. That thing's bandwidth can only go to 200Khz and that's assuming it actually does what it says. Just fuck off already.

[Anonymous No.10410167]

>>10410150
It's more than enough to repair decades old hardware, you would know that if you had the smallest fucking clue. Their biggest disadvantage is their limited frequency range, which does not matter when your hardware runs at slower frequencies, and needing initial calibration which unfortunately for you requires a brain to perform.

Now, go ahead and just reply with another 2-5 word post that in no way explains why it would not work and further shows you don't know what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.10410182]

>>10410167
What decade old hardware are you even on about you retard? Even Pacman had a 3Mhz clock speed, what are you gonna measure with a 200Khz osilloscope?

>needing initial calibration
Please explain what you even mean by this, I can't wait to hear your psuedo-technical garbage on this.

[Anonymous No.10410230]

>>10410182
>Even Pacman had a 3Mhz clock speed, what are you gonna measure with a 200Khz osilloscope?

Do you not know what crystal oscillator are used for? You realize people use these things to repair older computers like Commodore64s on a budget all the time right?

BTW, it's spelled oscilloscope, not "osilloscope"

>Please explain what you even mean by this, I can't wait to hear your psuedo-technical garbage on this.

Considering all you have to do is Google "dso138 calibration" and dozens of manuals and videos about it will appear but you seem to be incapable of doing even that...

The capacitance between the ground and input pin can vary slightly, you need to give it a known frequency sample signal (it has a built in test signal output for this) then adjust one of the pots to make it show a clean signal that the test frequency.

>You don't know what you're talking ab-

It's LITERALLY. IN. THE. FUCKING. MAUAL. if you bothered to research any of the bullshit your unable-to-even-spell-oscilloscope ass spews.

[Anonymous No.10410240]

>>10410230
>more retarded mumbo jumbo from googling
You're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.10410252]

>>10410240
I accept your admission that you have no argument left to make and got BTFO.

[Anonymous No.10410262]

>>10410230
This anon really is an expert. I'm not the anon you are responding to, but you mentioned some good details. Keep it up.

[Anonymous No.10410275]

>>10410240
>anon claims he's an expert in repair and electronics knowledge
>starts bragging about his basic equipment and posting pictures
>Suddenlt gets BTFO by someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

Beautiful.

[Anonymous No.10410524]

>>10406238
I don't get the whole "tinkering" thing. MiSTer is super easy to setup and use.

[Anonymous No.10410660]

lmao you spergs

[Anonymous No.10410670]

Heard it plays raizing titles

[Anonymous No.10410694]

>>10410670
Yea, it does. Sorcer Striker, Kingdom Grandprix, Battle Garegga, Armed Police Batrider, Battle Bakraid.

[Anonymous No.10410718]

Did you guys know the MiSTer FPGA is capable of playing the Aleck64 version of Star Soldier Vanishing Earth?

[Anonymous No.10410816]

Dont think it will hook to my TV. It's coaxial. Have an rca adapter. Still don't think it will connect

Did Google it. Do not think it's so simple.

[Anonymous No.10410827]

>>10410718
Hope that's not the one on game cube.

[Anonymous No.10410934]

>>10410827
I had no idea Vanishing Earth came out on Gamecube. I know there was a quasi-remake of the first Star Soldier that was either on PSP or PS2 and there was also a self-contained 3D Star Soldier game on PS2.

[Anonymous No.10410948]

>>10410142
Spoken like someone who hasn't tried to use a $12 oscilloscope.

[Anonymous No.10410976]

>>10410934

No. it's not vanishing Earth
There's Hudson selection volume 2.

There's a star soldier version on there. I believe.

That's still not I mean.


Then there's this.

https://youtu.be/-576tVa-XvE?si=eQ7gNsWKFbr2YX4j


Still not what I'm talking about.

Guess that's called star soldier the next level. Don't mean to misinform.

NES was tough enough as it is.

[Anonymous No.10410989]

>>10409813
>Give it a few months and we are golden.
I doubt it.

[Anonymous No.10410998]

>>10410976
ah ok, I was confused cause the picture I posted dates the copyright in 1998. The video you posted is 2003. So the remake I was thinking about IS the PS2 and Gamecube game. Where as the PSP game is an enhanced port of that remake. Apart from that, I know about the PC Engine Collection on PSP who's emulator was used to later sell the games individually on the PSN store.

[Anonymous No.10411004]

This is from Bard
Want to see what y'all think

Is bard lying.

[Anonymous No.10411024]

>>10410998
I have not the slightest.

I learned there's little brain and big brain.

Big brain will ... well, He's no joke. Just say it like that.

Good series. Thanks for sharing. Thanks for the dates. Makes it clear.

But if mister can play.. even better.

[Anonymous No.10411026]

>>10411004
This is true. I got my first DE-10 Nano for roughly $150 without the Student discount. Now it's like $240 not including shipping and taxes.

[Anonymous No.10411039]

>>10411026
Damn are they really that much now? I got mine for $120 a couple years ago, my buddy got one last year for $170

[Anonymous No.10411064]

>>10411039
I got a MiSTer after the first price hike and during the first restock of the DE-10 Nano. Glad I did because the price hasn't gone down since.

[Anonymous No.10411069]

>>10411004
This looks way more useful than GPT.

[Anonymous No.10411127]

>>10411069
just tried it right now with one of my world-building prompts and it doesn't remind me that I am describing fictional scenarios.

[Anonymous No.10411136]

>>10411127
Fuck

[Anonymous No.10411798]

>>10407950
brother, I have tried every emulator and every possible setting and tweak. it is impossible for me to get smooth scrolling, no tearing, and zero audio artifacts. even when I use my mister with vsync_adjust=0, which is running my screen at 60hz, it merely drops a frame when needed and is nearly impossible to detect. if I could get a snes emulator to behave like this I would be happy, and probably wouldnt have even looked into mister in the first place.

but now that I have one and can use vsync_adjust=2 which somehow miraculously makes my 2007 panasonic plasma run at every console I've tried's native speed (which my tv shouldnt be able to do according to the manual) I aint going back to pc emulators

[Anonymous No.10411913]

>>10401284
It's a hell no. You're better of building a gaming PC and adding emulators and games you want to play.

[Anonymous No.10411962]

>>10410240
>>more retarded mumbo jumbo from googling
>You're an idiot.
Lmao. This anon bragged about being an arcade repair tech. Shows off pictures basic equipment that he can't even spell properly, and demands other anons use technical terms. Then gets his ass handed to him by someone who knows deep technical knowledge, and runs away upset like a baby for 9 hours. This is why amateurs shouldn't pretend.

[Anonymous No.10412138]

>>10411913
What if I want a compact and silent box to play retro vidyas on my tv, when I don't want to sit in front of my gaming PC?

[Anonymous No.10412142]

>>10412138
Mini PC, batocera, compact and silent and can do up to 6th gen plus Wii U, also handhelds like PSP and DS

[Anonymous No.10412283]

>>10412142
What if I like participating in high score challenges? I need something with no input delay.

[Anonymous No.10413197]

>>10412142
Shit tier and more expensive than mister.

[Anonymous No.10413250]

>>10413197
the prices for a micro PC aren't that bad for like $50 if you're good at looking up deals. Still though, the point of the MiSTer is that you don't deal with input delay unless you use a shitty display and shitty controller encoders. It has pretty much every option conveniently available for connecting it to an arcade CRT, PC CRT, consumer CRT, RGB CRT, and any HDMI display (including HDMI to [insert meme plug]. You can use any XInput controller and the various DirectInput controllers as well. If you have OEM controllers, you can use SNAC which directly interfaces with the FPGA unlike USB which is controlled by the Linux layer and prone to input delay (depends on the encoder).

Also, if you guys wanna see how much input delay your controllers have, check this resource out. The results are good for any USB compatible device, not just MiSTer FPGA.
https://rpubs.com/misteraddons/inputlatency

[Anonymous No.10413849]

>>10407732
sounds peachy, how do i get cvbs out of my mister?

[Anonymous No.10413853]

>>10403032
>you can literally get better latency than original hardware (also makes mistr owners seethe)
Dudes will say shit like this and then play on some laggy-ass lcd display and a bluetooth controller.
I think most of you dont even know what the fuck you are talking about.

[Anonymous No.10413885]

>mister can remove dithering on ps1
>can also properly render 24 bit color
>all pretty much hassle free
>can output to crt and hdmi simultaneously
yeah it’s better than OG hardware by a mile

[Anonymous No.10414013]

>>10413849
You first need to read the fucking manual.

[Anonymous No.10414054]

>>10413849
What is required:
>active Y/C adapter
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325527354295

Additionally:
Option A
>Analog I/O Board
https://www.ebay.com/itm/324530089910
Option B
>Rankie HDMI to VGA Adapter
https://www.amazon.com/Rankie-HDMI-Adapter-3-5mm-Audio/dp/B00ZMV7RL2

Lore:
You need an active Y/C adapter, specially for cvsb, otherwise the cheaper passive adapter will produce a lot of rainbowing (S-Video looks clear on both adapters). The one quirk with the Y/C adapters is that they require MikeS to have implemented his magic into the cores. At the moment, all cores known to support 15kHz displays have implemented Y/C. N64 and Saturn are still in beta, but you can believe they have full Y/C support.

Regarding the Analog I/O board versus the Rankie HDMI to VGA adapter:
With the Analog I/O board, you are limited to only 1 SDRAM but the majority of the cores support single SDRAM. The main advantage with the Analog I/O board is that you can use the unused HDMI port for dual display output:
>streaming
>testing lag between digital display versus analog/crt display
The main advantage of the Rankie HDMI to VGA Adapter is that you can have two SDRAMs for any cores that require it or have enhanced accuracy. Apparently, HDMI also has true 24bit color support for certain cores but I absolutely cannot tell so It's not a loss for me.

[Anonymous No.10414652]

>>10409813
can I play PDS?
I'm honestly considering just getting an actual saturn with a pseudo kai JUST to play it on the tv
Dunno why I have so many issues emulating it on my machine. Probably because I'm a linux retard

[Anonymous No.10414672]

>>10414054
I prefer having the dual output as not all cores work or look good on a crt tv. I also like playing text adventures on the big LCD from the couch.

[Anonymous No.10415114]

>>10406293
Wow....an Oscilloscope and a multimeter. Congratulations anon. You have the same equipment that even third world countries have access to. Super impressive.

/sarcasm

[Anonymous No.10415634]

>>10414672
Which ones don't look good on a CRT? Only one I've had issues with is A0486, which has absolute shit looking font on my PVM.
There was some tweaking you could do in the INI for a specific resolution or something for it but it never looked right. I'm sure it looks perfectly fine on a PC crt though.

[Anonymous No.10417123]

>>10415634
>I'm sure it looks perfectly fine on a PC crt though.
Kinda. The DOS video mode is pushing out at 25kHz though, i've never looked into why. Which means you have to set a single video mode in the ini and change it for VGA vs SVGA vs EGA games.

I did hear there was some way to get the core to switch video modes by itself while still staying above 25kHz, but can't remember what it was.

[Anonymous No.10417201]

>>10417123
Mistet can render to a scaled framebuffer before sending to crt, making non TV cores work.

[Anonymous No.10417359]

>>10401284
not really in fact is kinda worse then emulation.
best advice
>buy them cheap
>test them for a week
>sell them at double the price online
>in one hour you would recover the money plus and extra.
not even joking i did that,is better just buy a chinese console that connects to TV and call it a day,will work better and is cheaper.
Emulation reached the point that isn't that different from real hardware.

[Anonymous No.10417390]

>>10417359
spoken like a true 3rd world larper

[Anonymous No.10417489]

>>10415634
>>10417123
Since I don't have a multi-sync display but wanna play on my 31kHz PC CRT, I simply have a config with
>forced_scandoubler=1
It just works for computer cores that do weird outputs.

anyway, gonna use this as an excuse to post this
https://imgur.com/a/urPKjDo

[Anonymous No.10417493]

>>10417489
>It just works for computer cores that do weird outputs.
I didn't mean to say that this setting only works for computer cores, I meant it solves problems with different modes. As you can see in the imgur, console and arcade cores meant for 15kHz displays work fine.

[Anonymous No.10417494]

>>10417489
Will this work with a PVM?

[Anonymous No.10417498]

>>10417494
what sync modes does the PVM support?

forced_scandoubler basically doubles the scanlines to fit a 31kHz display.

[Anonymous No.10417509]

>>10417489
>https://imgur.com/a/urPKjDo
>all that moire
>dat geometry
I know that moire depends on something else, but that geometry can physicall make you go blind.

[Anonymous No.10417532]

>>10417201
How is that framebuffer scaled? Is this the forced scandoubler option the other anon mentioned? If so, yeah that would sort of work, but it's not quite native output.

And My PC CRT is a bit finicky, i tend to need to set the porches to get it to center and size acceptably. I wonder if it's possible to set timings outside of fixing resolutions...

[Anonymous No.10417553]

>>10417532
You can set custom video modes in the MiSTer but unfortunately that itself requires knowledge in CRT timings and shit.

[Anonymous No.10417558]

>>10417532
It renders incompatible dislays like 30khz or vector to a crt tv. Scandoubler is for rendering 15khz tv signals for a 30khz PC crt.

[Anonymous No.10417587]

What is it ?

[Anonymous No.10417717]

>>10417587
FPGA-based emulation device. Like the analogue consoles, except not a scam because it does multiple consoles/computers and is open source.

[Anonymous No.10418789]

>>10417558
Ok, that is almost the exact reverse case from what i was describing, but i'm interested anyway as i have PVM's too and i'd like to try the ao486 core on them. How do I use this frame buffer to get 15kHz video out the HDMI port for systems with higher scan rates? You're not talking about just typing out a custom 240p video mode, are you?

What i was actually trying to do in the posts above, ideally, in case you're interested, was run the ao486 core with direct video enabled, but have it scale anything under 31kHz up to that (or higher, i guess). Or perhaps run ao486 but have the option to define video timings in general, like you can in GroovyMAME. Both of which are probably a little unrealistic given the way i suspect direct video works.

>>10417553
Oh, i'm already doing that. You answered the post, not the question. See above if you'd care to keep playing, lol :)

[Anonymous No.10418809]

>>10404316
>unironically admitting that you attend retro-gaming “events”
What’s the average weight at these things, 315 or so?

[Anonymous No.10419828]

>this is "/vr/" on 2023
how have the mighty fallen...

[DDave No.10419867]

this snake oil mr. Mister shit is hilarious and all the cope surrounding it

[Anonymous No.10419883]

>>10419828
Now that the dust has settled, what went wrong with /vr/?

[Anonymous No.10419891]

>>10419867
>install RetroArch on Shield TV
>App keeps crashing
>Gets told MiSTer is gay
>Buys a MiSTer
>Works perfectly fine after install, no issues at all and games run like a dream
Why do I get the feeling /vr/ is full of shit all the time?...

[Anonymous No.10419908]

>>10419891
It's just that, all the mister shills kept promising new cores and perfect emulation for all these consoles that the mister will never do. Now, there's a bunch of back pedaling of people trying to say, "well it's good for what it does play", which is fine, but many people took the torch and ran for the mister hype and they got severley burned. It's ok that you like your mister, it's great for what it does, but the shills put a bad taste in people's mouths.

[Anonymous No.10419981]

>>10418789
https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/ini/#analog-video-settings

Rtfm. Vga_scaler

[Anonymous No.10420163]

>>10419908
>"It sucks! Mister will never do PS1!"
>Mister does PS1
>"Well mister will never do Saturn!"
>Mister does Saturn
>"N64 is never going to happen so who cares?"
>N64 happens

Again, it's an open source project using a FPGA board that is nobody who has ever done anything with the mister sees a cent for and is basically sold below cost because it's subsided by the government for educational purposes. There is nothing TO shill.

[Anonymous No.10420313]

>>10420163
It doesn't do Saturn or N64 anywhere close to the way that Mister is advertised as existing for. You can run N64 games on a fucking Gamecube, that doesn't mean it's worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.10420327]

>>10420313
Interesting coping strategy.

[Anonymous No.10420404]

>>10420313
>It doesn't do Saturn or N64 anywhere close to the way that Mister is advertised as existing for.

>The actively being developed incomplete cores aren't complete yet!

You don't say?

>You can run N64 games on a fucking Gamecube

"Run" is a strong word for trying to play N64 games on a GC.

[Anonymous No.10420407]

>>10420313
The Mister exists for Amiga and ST emulation.
Anything else was just a later added bonus.

[Anonymous No.10420420]

>>10401284
The MiSTER exists for retro gamers with too much money on their hands, when to do much more than good N64 emulation with whatever Bluetooth controller you’ve got lying around requires enough money to buy a rig capable of running PS3, let alone accurate N64. If you’re building for retro games specifically, spend more on your CPU, you won’t need an amazing GPU, and for good CRT support I’d favor AMD cards over Nvidia.

[Anonymous No.10420426]

>>10420163
It doesn’t “do Saturn” plenty of shit still doesn’t exist disingenuous faggot

[Anonymous No.10420427]

>>10420163
>Nothing to shill
Nice back pedalling. What you mean to say, is "buy the new mars fpga, it can play ps3 cycle accurately"

[Anonymous No.10420458]

>>10419981
Err, i just asked if it was the same as typing in a 240p video mode and you link me to something that says to do just that (set video mode for scaler, enable scaler). That's probably not ideal. Am i missing something, there? Rtfp?

>>10417558
i should look into that more. Older documentation has it that the core determines whether the scandoubler is active even once set in the ini. I wonder if ao486 uses it. And if it only doubles modes already below 31kHz, like 25kHz in particular.

[Anonymous No.10420482]

>>10419908
What backpedalling? No one EVER said PS1 would be perfect, let alone Saturn or N64. Mister sisters were hyped for FGPA emulation of older systems, expecting it to be accurate and direct, some sort of step forward. And it is. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't tried one. It's not everything, it's not original hardware, but you don't have to deal with shit like runahead, it "fakes" less than an OS-based emulation setup has to and the difference is tactile.

[Anonymous No.10420548]

>>10420426
see
>>10420404

>>10420427
>Nice back pedalling. What you mean to say, is "buy the new mars fpga, it can play ps3 cycle accurately"

Nice try but no, I am skeptical as fuck that the Mars will even come close to living up to the hype. I also sure as fuck don't expect it to be able to even do PS2 as much as I would love that. If anyone gets Ps3 running the FPGA chip of the Mars or MiSTer or ANY current FPGA system I will eat an arcade cabinet. If it can live up to all of it's hype that's great, but I have seen this sort of song-and-dance before where someone tries to hype the fuck out of a closed source commercial version of a popular open source project claiming it's better in every way and most of the time it was all smoke and mirrors.

>>10420482
>What backpedalling? No one EVER said PS1 would be perfect, let alone Saturn or N64.

PS1 is pretty damn close to perfect:

https://twitter.com/jamesfmackenzie/status/1544280715516411904

IIRC there are a few games where the sound is only about 99.99% accurate instead of 100%, but going dual-RAM can fix that. There are probably a few more edge case issues, but it's miles more accurate than any software and in the majority of the PS1's library IS 100% accurate to the real hardware.

Saturn I am very skeptical can hit 100% accuracy just due to the mess it's hardware was.

For the N64 Robert himself flat out said it will never be 100% accurate on the MiSTer due to the FPGA not being able to handle it, but he is also co-developing a 100% accurate FPGA core for if a viable FPGA that can handle it is ever found for the MiSTer's successor and is working on a cycle-accurate software emulator for when PCs will be able to handle it (IIRC he also stated no consumer CPU can currently handle a 100% cycle accurate N64 core at anything close to full speed).

[Anonymous No.10420575]

>>10420548
>it's miles more accurate than any software
Ah yes those infamously inaccurate PS1 software emulators

[Anonymous No.10420604]

This thread is like arguing between home-cooked dinner (FPGA, less convenient to obtain and quality varies) versus a frozen tray dinner (Software Emulation, cheaper to obtain, available everywhere, and quality is bare minimum).

[Anonymous No.10420764]

Mister is pretty neat and a good sign of things to come. If you're on the fence just do it.

[Anonymous No.10420932]

>>10420548
What case is that?

[Anonymous No.10420940]

>>10420932
Just a custom 3D printed case someone made

https://esorensen.com/mister-case/

[Anonymous No.10420957]

>>10420940
>Checkmate 1500 case is $266
Holy hell, I might take it over my authentic yet beat-up actually retro case though.

[Anonymous No.10420985]

>>10420458
The setting renders to a framebuffer before sending to the analog output, as opposed to the running core directly controlling the CRT.

[Anonymous No.10420986]

>>10420957
To be fair, there are much gaudier cases you can get.

[Anonymous No.10421086]

>>10420986
NO
GOD NO
THIS CASE IS DOGSHIT
IMPOSSIBLE TO PUT TOGETHER
RUN BY A GUY WHO TYPES HIS EMAILS LIKE HE WEARS A FEDORA 24/7

[Anonymous No.10421124]

>>10421086
I flat out called it gaudy. You know that's not a good thing, right?

[Anonymous No.10421168]

Just set up guncon2 on my mister. Works great on most games I test. I can't wait until the saturn core adds lightgun support so I can play Virtua Cop.

[Anonymous No.10421329]

How does it feel that the MiSTer is based on a software emulator? Been fishing that discord for someone to admit that MiSTer is just an expensive raspberry pi.

[Anonymous No.10421336]

>>10421329
The same guy who made the free N64 core also made a free software emulator? I feel robbed!

[Anonymous No.10421358]

>>10421329
>midwit

[Anonymous No.10421363]

>>10421124
I think I made this mistake last time you posted this.

[Anonymous No.10421364]

>>10421329
try to run it

>>10421336
it was made to aid in the development of the core. it is unusable. every video of it running games is sped up

[Anonymous No.10421424]

>>10421329
see
>>10420548

This is the guy who made the PS1 core and is making the N64 core, he is at the same time working on a 100% accurate N64 core for future more powerful FPGA chips and a 100% cycle-accurate N64 software core to help create aid FPGA core, because no cycle-accurate N64 emulator exists since all the current software ones are HLE shit. On top of that, no computer that anyone here would be able to afford will be able to come close to running that cycle-accurate N64 software emulator at a playable speed for years.

It helps to actually understand the shit you are talking about if you want to post about it.

[Anonymous No.10421431]

What is it about FPGA that makes /vr/ suddenly turn /v/ tier?

[Anonymous No.10421448]

>>10421431
it's actually the guys from the discord venting.

[Anonymous No.10421482]

>>10412138
Mini PC's and handhelds.

[Anonymous No.10421497]

>>10421431
Because people wanna capture screenshots of the FPGA anons going schitzo.

[Anonymous No.10421578]

>>10421431
It's a combination of midwittery and poverty.

[Anonymous No.10421625]

all I've been doing on the MiSTer this year is playing retro /pw/ and running sim matches for a Discord that likes "betting" on virtual characters. We were doing Bomberman too but it's too graphically simple to be interesting for long.

[Anonymous No.10421636]

>>10421625
>mick foley and mankind in the same match
Mfw no dude love or cactus jack

[Anonymous No.10421867]

>>10421424
>he is at the same time working on a 100% accurate N64 core for future more powerful FPGA chips

Not yet he isn’t.

[Anonymous No.10421872]

>>10421329
> How does it feel that the MiSTer is based on a software emulator?
How else do you suppose he debugs the core? Dim lot ain’t ya?

[Anonymous No.10421883]

>>10420548
> the majority of the PS1's library IS 100% accurate to the real hardware.

The emulated GPU runs too fast to make up for the memory latency, the CPU inaccuracies compared to real HW result in stuff like the replays desyncing in gran turismo. The MDEC is based on Duckstation which means there is more colour banding and black crush than real hardware on FMV’s and backgrounds, this also results bugs like in resident evil that are reported on the GitHub. The CD access timings are still off, lots of FMV’s stutter or have screen tearing when they don’t on real HW.

Not a single game is 100% accurate to real hardware even if hardware tests show it to be better than software emaultion.

[Anonymous No.10422092]

>>10421448
I should have known discord had something to do with these threads. Discord is worse than reddit.

[Anonymous No.10422546]

>>10421636
It was a royal rumble I left running on stream so I can't even tell if they had already shown up or not.

[Anonymous No.10422838]

I only buy a Mister because I don't want to drag my laptop or computer around to friends houses or events. To me it's just a dedicated emulator box that can do emulation to about the n64 generation.

[Anonymous No.10422951]

>>10422838
Very much this. And taking it with me to hangouts and stuff has helped me explain MiSTer to people who don't have technical knowledge. I just tell people "An FPGA recreates the computer inside the console (because it makes them visualized the PCBs instead of the console shell) instead of creating a virtual environment on top of Windows or Mac".

[Anonymous No.10422954]

>>10422838
>bringing your mister over to friend's houses and events
lose your virginity

[Anonymous No.10423148]

>>10421625
I can play my N64 right now on my CRT TV. I also have the option of buying an HDMI adapter for my HDTV, which would still be cheaper than buying the MiSTer.

[Anonymous No.10423159]

>>10423148
It's all fun and games until a butterfly in China flaps it's wings and your aging N64 finally shits the bed. Old hardware isn't going to last for much longer. The MiSTer is an active project, and can be ported to future platforms aside from the DE-10 Nano. Which is what's happening now with MARS. All the work already done for MiSTer can be directly ported to MARS.

[Anonymous No.10423164]

>>10422954
Bragging about sexual promiscuity means you're either a legit teenager, or have the mental capacity of one. Get married, have kids, and enjoy gaming on your FPGA.

[Anonymous No.10423170]

>>10401284
It was worth it over three years ago.

[Anonymous No.10423171]

>>10423148
>I also have the option of buying an HDMI adapter for my HDTV
LMAO... good luck with that.

[Anonymous No.10423823]

>VGE releases a romhack video
>Nightdive Studio's Doom 64 is running on hardware
>Someone remade FZC from GBA on the F-Zero X engine
>Still can't do high resolution texture or high poly model swap mods

I wonder why nobody is asking for the devs to increase the hardware capacity of the cores. I mean, Robert Peip did give us the PS1X2 core which helps with a ton of games achieve steady FPS, but now I want more.

>wanna play StarFox EX
>have to use the hardware version of the ROM on the MiSTer

It's cool that I'm experiencing on FPGA what the OEM hardware users have, but sometimes I gotta admit that software emulator developers have the advantage of not having to respect the original hardware's native constraints as they are already running asynchronous to the original cycle.

[Anonymous No.10423854]

>>10423823
There's no law that states you can't use a combination of original hardware, FPGA or emulation depending on which games you want to play.

[Anonymous No.10423870]

>>10423854
My only hindrance is the fact that I wanna play on my CRT. Everything from 5th gen and older scales the best on a CRT. Sure, I can upscale the internal resolution on a software emulator, but I'm usually at the mercy of experiencing incorrect 2D textures or text being seen.

[Anonymous No.10424018]

>>10423159
Funny because I've had my N64 for 25 years and it's still working just like all my other consoles. Heck the only thing I had to replace was the plug for the N64 and it still plays fine. Cleaning your consoles goes along way. The MiSTer and the MARS will never be valuable or as sought after as the consoles I currently own.

>>10423171
Better than wasting $600 on an emulation box.

[Anonymous No.10424096]

>>10424018
>$600
$350

[Anonymous No.10424238]

Good evening to all my sons in the MiSTer thread.

[Anonymous No.10424350]

>>10424096
Not from the sites I visited selling the MiSTer.

[Anonymous No.10424436]

>>10424350
don't buy it like a product. buy the parts and build it yourself. what the fuck!

[Anonymous No.10424440]

>>10424436
Building? Shoot I may as well buy parts for a gaming PC instead!

[Anonymous No.10424481]

>>10423870
Then Mister is for you. I have a CRT TV and an Amiga 1084s monitor, and a mono CRT. Mister looks amazing through all of them plus it also drives my LCD TV at a very low and tunable latency. It really is a great project.

[Anonymous No.10424483]

>>10424018
Meanwhile tendies spend $1000 and countless hours trying to get a SNES to display as nicely as a Mister can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2OOxIZMNM8

[Anonymous No.10424687]

I made a list of essential parts for people to build a cheaper MiSTer FPGA kit.
https://pastebin.com/raw/uvMs1MKa

[Anonymous No.10424706]

>>10424483
I never understood this whole 1 chip 2 chip autismo bullshit. Not once did I ever hear about it before people started pretending that it mattered.

[Anonymous No.10425009]

Should I bother getting a case, or is it fine to have the board out in the open as long as I'm not a tard that will drop or it spill something on it?

[Anonymous No.10425031]

>>10424483
>I thought it looked great, but looking into it further I found out that was not the case
kek, this sums it up right here. No problem with it until he found out there was something "better." MiSTer does look sharper, but my old snes still looks fine. 1chip is a meme, just get a MiSTer at that point, it's literally a more accurate snes than the 1chip is.

[Anonymous No.10425063]

>>10425009
At least use the plastic cover that comes with the de-10. A few dudes have zapped theirs with static too, so keep that in mind. Also the ports are fragile take care with that.

[Anonymous No.10425065]

>>10425031
Yeah I played all my games over rf back then and didn't give a shit.

[Anonymous No.10425225]

>>10401803
>mfw one week later
At least he's logging into forums daily.

[Anonymous No.10425295]

What's your favourite control for Mister? My preference is retrobit megadrive pad with the shoulder buttons, pretty good for everything. I also have an arcade stick from way back but I prefer to go wireless now.

I also have a 9pin adapter which I use with an arcadeR stick for those times when I want a more classic computer game/atari feel.

[Anonymous No.10425331]

>>10425295
8bitdo m30 for me. Despite being made by 8bitdo it's surprisingly pretty good.

[Anonymous No.10425365]

>>10425295
Hori Fighting commander.

[Anonymous No.10425427]

>>10403594
>You just want something to connect to a modern TV
what's the better option for this use case besides getting a pc for emulation

[Anonymous No.10425456]

>>10425295
SNES Classic Edition controller with an adapter. Playing early PS1 games on an SNES pad feels just right.

[Anonymous No.10425529]

>>10425427
Mister is also great over hdmi. Low latency with great filters.

[Anonymous No.10425595]

>>10425427
>what’s the better option
MiSTer

[Anonymous No.10425723]

>>10425427
I'd say a hacked PS3 with retroarch installed.

[Anonymous No.10425996]

>>10425295
Someone on the Discord mentioned the Razer Raion, I decided to get one and what they didn't tell me was that the buttons were mechanical switches which is pretty awesome for a controller. Pretty expensive controller though.

[Anonymous No.10426035]

>>10425996
>the buttons were mechanical switches which is pretty awesome for a controller.
The Hori Fighting Commander is like this too. Also a nicer D-pad, cheaper and from a company known for making reliable stuff unlike Razor.

[Anonymous No.10426060]

>>10426035
Hori Fighting Commander uses micro switches, not mechanical switches. The only thing the Hori Fighting Commander does better than the Razer Raion is that it includes at least one analog stick which would be useful for the N64 core. I have to use a toggle switch to use the dpad as an analog stick.

[Anonymous No.10426069]

>>10407710
Lol emulation is like Judaism. Judaism does stuff to pander to niggers and take advantage of low iq people.

Mister on the other hand is white people emulation.

[Anonymous No.10426071]

>>10426060
>Hori Fighting Commander uses micro switches, not mechanical switches.
I know what these are from a soldering point of view but what is the difference in feel?

[Anonymous No.10426108]

>>10426071
Mechanical switches tend to just feel like you're pressing on a spring. Micro switches don't really have any resistance so it feels like a "flat" button you press. Neither are inherently bad, but if someone wants to get a mechanical switch, for the love of yourself and whatever you value, get silver>red>might as well get a regular device.

[Anonymous No.10426141]

>>10426108

[Anonymous No.10426174]

>>10404091
dis nigga dont know about Picnic Panic

[Anonymous No.10426224]

>>10426108
>silver>red
>sound: quiet
I like my switches loud. I use a Topre keyboard just because it makes the most satisfying noise.

[Anonymous No.10426328]

>>10424687
This is still too expensive and you're making me do the work of putting it together. Just emulate for free on a PC.

[Anonymous No.10426508]

>>10426328
If you prefer, go ahead. It won't be as good.

[Anonymous No.10426543]

>>10401284
is the regular old MiST still any good if you only want to emulate SNES? The board for that is at least $100 cheaper.

[Anonymous No.10426548]

>>10424687
>https://pastebin.com/raw/uvMs1MKa
holy shit a useful post in this general for a change

[Anonymous No.10426568]

>>10426543
I considered MiST as an alternative at one point but after reading, the community for it is mostly focused on Amiga and Atari stuff.

[Anonymous No.10426579]

>>10426543

[Anonymous No.10426602]

>>10426579
there are console cores for MiST though

[Anonymous No.10426603]

>>10426579
also has a native DB9 port

[Anonymous No.10426606]

>>10426602
yes, but they are reportedly not as accurate as their MiSTer counterparts. I can't confirm, just from what forums the search engines show.

[Anonymous No.10426615]

>>10426603
That's actually a huge plus. I wonder if it means that the MiST will use the Genesis controllers.

[Anonymous No.10426905]

>>10426543
It's pretty good I think but it's more expensive, right?

[Anonymous No.10427156]

>>10401284
I think so. I remember it as the mist project and it has really grown to involve some arcade boards and quite a few consoles. The amount of progress made by hobbyist engineers is astounding, and I'm pretty grateful for it.