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4035964 No.4035964 [Reply] [Original]

All jokery aside, is Sonic Adventure a good game?

>> No.4035968

>>4035964
It's only bad if you intentionally run into walls which youtubers do to make a "top lel hilarious video".

>> No.4035969

Was ok for the time. Games DO age.

>> No.4035987 [SPOILER] 
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I'll always be resentful with the Adventure series because it reminds me of the time Sega went down, went third party and Sonic went to Nintendo.
When pic related came out I was so infuriated.
A few years ago I bought a Gamecube and loved SA2B and all the other Sega games on it, I stopped being a console war baby, but it still hurt back then.

>> No.4035990

>>4035964
The sonic stages are rad. There just isn't enough of them.

>> No.4035995
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>>4035964
It's easily one of my all-time favourite games. I love all of the characters' gameplay styles and the level of atmosphere it manages to achieve is incredible, especially for the time.

>> No.4036014

I think it's great. The variety from character to character keeps the game feeling fresh. The weird ones like Big are mercifully short, and the Sonic stages are all pretty fun.

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I believe it holds the best formula for 3D Sonic, since it holds the closest representation it has of 2D Sonic in 3D. That's why I like both games (but more especially the first one).

Not that I dislike boost games, since they too are good, but not the perfect candidate for 3D Sonic.

>> No.4036131

It's an entertaining curiosity.

>> No.4036139

No. It's a typical 3d platformer, which means clumsy controls and laughable camera.

Fuck 3d platformers. The mid-90s sure bamboozled every single fucking new gamer that got pulled into the hobby by an industry trying to expand beyond its core gaming demographic by all these fucking style over substance games with terrible gameplay.

Again, /vr/ should be pre-1995.

>> No.4036146

>>4036139

What do your farts smell like? I imagine you'd be well versed in the subject.

>> No.4036153

>>4036146
I thank you for your enlightened and well-thought out reply and am glad you are positively contributing to the discussion at hand.

>> No.4036156

>>4036139
>16 bit kid
Only 8 bit is retro.

>> No.4036159

>>4036156
I'm sorry, kid, how old are you?

I was born before Pong was released.

Your opinion is invalid.

>> No.4036167

>>4036153

You're very welcome, anon. That said I'd still like for you to answer the question. Perhaps I should rephrase it.

Why are you so full of yourself? It's just vidya.

>> No.4036170

Having played both Adventure 1 and 2006, the only difference is that the latter has a shittier overworld.

>> No.4036171

>>4036159
Too many 16 and 64 bit era kiddos shitting up this board.

You need to leave.

>> No.4036173

>>4036170

>the only difference

You didn't play enough of either, then. 2006 is practically unplayable.

Sonic Adventure is a very flawed game, but I've managed to get a lot of fun out of it over the years.

>> No.4036181

>>4035987
I preferred the Sega games on Xbox

>> No.4036191

>>4035964
i'd like to think so.

sonic didn't really go to shit until sega went 3rd party.

that said in terms of presentation SA1 aged like milk

>> No.4036197

*runs into wall*

>> No.4036213

>>4035968
>>4036197
the best friends playing through the e102 part was so much more obnoxious

it was basically liam and woolie trying to get into it but matt was being a colossal faggot and just shitting on the entire thing

>> No.4036230

>>4036171
This board will never be good because gaming will never be a serious point of discussion outside of of censorship or autism. How do you think a thread based around "which book of crossword puzzles is best?" would go?

>> No.4036246

>>4035964
By the standards of early 3D platformers, yes, it's very good. It's not a masterpiece like Banjo or Mario 64 but it's better than your average 90's 3D platformer.
The only real downside is that it's kind of a tech demo for the Dreamcast. It has a lot of different styles of gameplay and some work better than others.
Sonic moves pretty fast and the animations and audio can be hilarious, and that's made it a meme. It's still a good game, though.

>> No.4036314

It's legitimately an awful fucking game, and this is coming from an autist who beat at 50+ times when he was a kid. I'm willing to concede that maybe it's just a kind of bad game, and that I may be a little critical on it because of how intimately I know the game, but anyone who argues that it deserves a score better than 6/10 needs to take of the nostalgia goggles.

The camera is completely unworkable, the plot is insanely retarded, the lip-syncing/movements are complete trash, the plot doesn't even make a lick of sense, the characters are just unlikeable, the gameplay is pretty bad bar Sonic and Knuckles, the levels are too easy in a bad way (hold forward to win), the levels are too hard in a bad way (loops that randomly kill you, among other things), and THE PLOT IS FUCKING COMPLETE SHIT.

You know what? I take back my 6/10 comment earlier. If anyone gives this game anything over a fucking 4/10 they're a retarded and they deserve to be gassed.

I could write a giant autistic review of everything wrong with this game, it would literally be thousands of words.

>> No.4036320

>>4036314
>whining this much about the plot ruining your enjoyment of an action game
Sorry about your mental illness, must be real hard for the family.

>> No.4036326

>>4036314
>(loops that randomly kill you,
That never happens.

>> No.4036328

It's fun but not if you take it seriously. It has some pretty bad design flaws and hilariously bad animation.

>> No.4036338

Collision is fucked but I can work through it.

I personally I think it would have been better if it was more open and exploration based like Mario 64 or something, the way Sonic can launch himself by jumping at the end of an upward slope would really lend itself well to crazy platforming.

I miss the nuts-o physics of the adventure games.

>> No.4036351

>>4036314
>It's legitimately an awful fucking game, and this is coming from an autist who beat at 50+ times when he was a kid.

Why are people here so cynical and retarded?

"I hate this game after spending 345375987353479 hours playing it."

Fuck off.

>> No.4036362

>>4036338
>I personally I think it would have been better if it was more open and exploration based like Mario 64 or something
Totally. That's why red mountain was the best stage.

>> No.4036376

>>4036351
The alternative to that is being told you know nothing about the game because you've barely even played it.

>> No.4036383

Game is great
Cutscenes are dumb
>Big

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>> No.4036410

>>4036314
>I could write a giant autistic review
Hahaha, I bet. Only problem I had was the poor voice acting, otherwise it's a solid game for it's time.

>> No.4036450

>>4035964
Huge Sonicfag here. No, it isn't a good game; it and the precedents it set for future Sonic games were what dragged the series through the mud for roughly a decade. Don't believe any nostalgiafag that tries to tell you that this trash is comparable to the Genesis games or in any way a worthy successor.

I can appreciate how it attempted to bring a fresh perspective to the series on paper by experimenting with different styles of gameplay, visuals, and music, though. If they had just made "Sonic 3 and Knuckles 2" and didn't try to differentiate the style at all after the Genesis then that would be enough for me to argue that the series shouldn't have continued as long as it has.

>> No.4036451
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>>4036314

>if anyone likes this game they deserve to be gassed

jeez dude did a Sonic Adventure fan take a dump on your mother?

>> No.4036452

>>4036159
Name three pinball games you've played that were released before 1975, faggot. Go on, I'll wait.

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>>4036450

>huge sonic fag here

I don't consider myself a huge sonic fan but I really like these games:

>Sonic 1, 2, 3, K
>Sonic Adventure 1, 2
>Sonic Advance 1, 2(never played 3
>Sonic Rush(never played sequel)
>Sonic Battle

So I'm definitely not a super fan, but I still like these games. They all have good things to experience and yeah the Adventure games might have issues but I still like them and I can't help it. I'm not even a super fan, but for some reason I always re-play Sonic Adventure 2, even if its just to go through City Escape or Metal Harbor again.

>> No.4036507

It's weird to me to see how huge the hateboner for this game is. It only really became cool to shit on it after a bunch of e-celebs ran out of shitty modern sonic content to laugh at and had to dig deeper for their stupid jokes, eventually landing on "SONIC ADVENTURE IS UNPLAYABLE GARBAGE IF YOU LIKE IT DIE XD" when really it's just an okay platformer with a lot of charm.

>> No.4036517

>>4035964
You had to be there

>> No.4036531

>>4035964
It has definitely aged quite a lot, it's a bit of a mixed bag but overall, I'd say it's a fun experience. At least much more so than the sequel.

>> No.4036564

>>4035964
it's at least 40% good and at most 70% decent

the good:
>graphics are very good for a 1998 release
>soundtrack is really good
>controls are okay
>Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles (yes, really) are pretty enjoyable to play as, and that's a fairly large portion of the game
>in fact, the worst bits of the game don't take up that much play time at all
>Red Mountain is a fantastic Sonic stage, and probably the best in 3D
>you can also ignore nearly all of the bad parts completely (last story isn't worth it)
>chao

the bad:
>story's fucking trash
>Lost World fucking sucks as a Sonic stage, Sky Deck is pretty iffy too
>the camera sucks, and I'm pretty sure Sonic Team has never made a game with a free-moving camera that works well (maybe Burning Rangers, and that's arguable)
>Big's gameplay is dull as shit -- not because of the fishing (which is relatively fun even), but because looking for Froggy sucks
>Gamma handles like shit
>Amy controls awkwardly and has stages that are even more linear than Sonic's, and they're surprisingly poorly designed

the ugly:
>adventure fields are a neat idea but end up being a bit tedious
>the cutscenes are awfully animated
>if you're playing SADX, the game is glitchy in different, dumber ways, and it's got awful texture replacements and gimped lighting that makes the nicer player models look uglier
>but if you're playing SA on DC, pathing breaks for no reason (really easy example: loops in Emerald Coast)
>but if you're playing SADX, you stand a far higher chance of flat out falling through the floor
>really, both versions are a bit buggy
>Open Your Heart should have started playing during the second phase of the Perfect Chaos fight
>Tails stages are just recut Sonic's stages with some really dumb out-of-place object placements
>I kind of wish the Sky Chase segments were better.

>>4036326
It absolutely does. Surprisingly, SADX fixes this.
unfortunately, SADX has a laundry list of other problems

>> No.4036568

>>4035964
>press forward
>game plays itself
>turn off power button, never touch again

b-b-but it looks pretty and fast and cool!

>> No.4036601

For my virgin playthrough, should I play the original release on my DC first or go right for the DX version on Steam?

>> No.4036606

>>4035964
Most fun game I've played on the dreamcasr.

>> No.4036612

>>4036601

Don't do the DX version, from what I've heard, it gets buggier and buggier with each re-release.

If you play SA2, go gamecube version.

>> No.4036874

>>4036601
only play the DC versions
especially since it's one of the most common dreamcast games and is dirty cheap

>> No.4036898

>>4036181
Mostly of the sega games on the xbox are dreamcast ports.

>> No.4036961

>>4036898
No?
>JSRF
>GunValkeyrie
>PD Orta
>Crazy Taxi 3
PS2 is the one that got most of the ports a year or two later. GC got Sanic.

>> No.4036992

>>4035964
I still play it sometimes. The overworld retarded, I liked it as a kid tho. I'd say it's fun but flawed, if you play it today try to get a save with everything unlocked and just play the Sanic stages and maybe some Gamma ones and boss fights.

I still prefer the adventure games to most 3D platformers.

>> No.4037167

nope

>> No.4037278

>>4035964
It was dogshit bad. SA2 is better and is itself also dogshit bad.

I remember playing SA1 for the first time on DC in a store demo at a CompUSA store and thinking it was pretty rad. It was technically impressive for its time but that's about the only good thing you can say about it today.

>> No.4037280

>>4035964
Hey OP in case you haven't noticed it's a divisive game. It's also dirt cheap because its the most common DC game out there... and it's available on PC and Xbox 360 as well... so just play it and see.

I like it a lot. It's very much a product of its time though. I love how ambitious,bombastic, and experimental it is. The rough edges don't ruin it for me.

>> No.4037281

>>4036326
Not him, but that absolutely does happen. Don't get enough momentum and stop on a loop halfway up? you fall, predictably. Unpredictably, you just fall straight through the loop instead of dropping to the ground. I've had this happen at least twice I could remember, and I haven't played the game extensively.

>> No.4037450

>>4036601
Go for SADX PC with patches from Sonic Retro

>> No.4037452

>it gets buggier and buggier with each re-release.

What are the credits to these rumors?

>> No.4037517

>>4036601
https://youtu.be/8uNsTXIzgGI

>> No.4037653

>>4036351
I have plenty of reasons for thinking the game is bad. Like I said, I could write a giant autistic essay about why the game is objectively bad.

>> No.4037668

Sonic Adventure made me seriously consider killing myself because of how bad it was.

>> No.4037673

>>4036326
That's only one of many things that randomly murder you.

>The snake in Lost World that randomly shoots you off of it
>The insane boulder in Lost World that rubber-bands you for some retarded reason
>The first loop in Emerald Coast which you randomly clip through
>Clipping through the wobbling bridge in Emerald Coast
>The spinning tubes in Final Egg that you can randomly fall through

Seriously, I could sit down a write a laundry list of awful death glitches that exist in the Sonic levels alone. You're just lying to yourself if you think it doesn't happen.

>> No.4037684

>>4037517
This is too much effort for such a shit game

>> No.4037697

>>4037452
I haven't played the Dreamcast version myself, but DX has some downgrades in lighting effects. Some collision objects are slightly misplaced and modders have re-positioned them, but for all I know that could be in the Dreamcast version too.

The steam release was just a mistake. Idk if it's any buggier, but the forced screen resolution is unforgivable.

The 2004 PC version with SA:Fixed Edition and DC lighting mods is objectively the best way to play this game.

>> No.4037701

I can't believe you have to apply a million mods just for the game to look less like shit and people are defending this travesty

>> No.4037705

>>4037701
>2 equals 1000000 now

>> No.4037710

>>4037701
Honestly, it's not a terrible game, it's actually pretty good, but it's definitely not the best Sonic game and really lacks the polish of later 3d endeavors, even its sequel.
As for having to slap a shit load of mods on it, I can play it without them just fine and still enjoy the game for what it is, an early foray into a 3d Sonic.
Just like I can enjoy Skyrim without the thicc follower mods[/spoilers]

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>>4037705
Yeah nah, that's way more than 2, nigger.

>> No.4037729

>>4037710
Sanic is a fucking SHIT game that was NEVER GOOD you were only swayed as a kid by MARKETERS

>> No.4037740

>>4037729
Flawless logic except I didn't touch a Sonic game until 2010.

>> No.4037741

>>4037740
Shoulda stayed that way, you weren't missing much, only autism. And even among Sanic games SADX is terrible

>> No.4037745

>>4037740
What interest would you have in this godawful series if it weren't for nostalgia? Are you 12?

>> No.4037747

>>4037741
>>4037745
I'm playing the original on a Dreamcast because I decided to get one, and SA1 was recommended to me?
Sorry that it's so difficult for you to hear a differing opinion to your own.

>> No.4037748

>>4037747
>SA1 was recommended to me?
You were trolled, son.

>> No.4037752

>>4037748
But it's not a bad game

>> No.4037753

>>4037747
Either way your 20 years late to the party and should fuck right off with your uninformed opinions. Kiddo.

>> No.4037757

>>4037752
It's a tech demo on constant autoplay that randomly kills your character due to a glitch in scripted jumps, it's not even a game.

>> No.4037760

>>4037753
>>4037748
>>4037757
Sucks that you have to try to ruin other people's experience with a game just because you don't like the game/franchise/yourself.

>> No.4037762

>>4037760
Throw insults at you.

>> No.4037809

>>4035964
The action sequences are fun (sonics) but the other characters aren't fun to play (knuckles especially) and the city sequences/hubs are really tiresome. Good at the time, but now moribund

>> No.4037996

>>4035969
Y'know anon, maybe this place is the same and we're the ones changing. Ever think of that?

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>>4037517
I love that someone out there is this passionate about this game. It warms my heart to see anyone who really, really loves art this deeply, even if that art is a goofy-ass launch title that gets shit on all the time by kids.

>> No.4038039

>>4037726
It looks like the only thing you've done was download BetterSADX.

So one then.

>> No.4038042

If games are measured by how much people care about them, this is one of the greatest games of all time. Look at this thread for proof.

>> No.4038045

>>4038042
Right? Look at all the people getting pissed at a fictional hedgehog with an autistic fan base.

>> No.4038063

>>4035964
Yes

>> No.4038097

>>4035964
I think it's fun, you really feel like you're going fast as fuck and it doesn't punish you for going fast like the Genesis Sanic games do. I do get why people don't like it but I think it's good for what it is, a go fast simulator.

>> No.4038103

>>4037809
What's wrong with knuckles gameplay? The "find the emerald" parts were my favorite part. Well besides the chaos gardens, obviously.

>> No.4038279

>>4036601
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w3Ms_44SwE
>>4037452
What rumors? DX breaks collision, lighting, and sound. I think a lot of the sound and collision issues are due to making it 60fps though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m617S3MmvE

>> No.4038571

>>4035964
It's flawed for sure, but the positives outweigh the negatives. So I'll say yes. 1>2 while I'm at it.

>> No.4038590

I think it is.

I can't stand the dark storyline of 2. The hero one was fun in most parts for me. Not so much if I chose dark.

The first one though? I STILL get this comfy feeling when I play it. It may have been 3D, but I feel it was the last true sonic game.

>> No.4038756 [DELETED] 

Fuck the Dreamcast and fuck this stupid game. Sonicfags need mental help.

>> No.4038776

>>4038756

What is it about this game that makes people so angry? It's hilarious. It's just a goofy 90s platformer, the debate on here goes beyond 'divisive' into all-out war at times.

>> No.4038982

>>4038756
You can bully the sanic autists but leave the Dreamcast alone, asshole.

>> No.4038989

>>4038776
It's the same reason people hate anything popular. The fanbase is annoying and it's fun to be a contrarian edgelord.
There's nothing wrong with the game itself. The hate comes entirely from it being popular and having an annoying fanbase despite being just ok.

>> No.4039009

>>4036230
Easy Fast n' Fun Crosswords is for fucking casuals, be a real crossworder and do the New York Times Sunday crossword.