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4641981 No.4641981 [Reply] [Original]

Is the original Final Fantasy worth playing if you never did back in the day?

>> No.4642016

You gotta like simple RPGs
Play the PSX version, later versions remove the magic system in favor of common MP system, NES is buggy, you probably don't own a wonderswan

>> No.4642426

Yes. It's simple, with no deviations from 'standard' rpg mechanics, so there's nothing to learn and there's no confusion. It's got great music, a decently large map, and since your party is completely customizable, each playthrough is different with not only what gear and spells you have but also who you bring along (but fuck being a spellcaster, knife4life).

I'd say give it at least 1 runthrough, you'll find yourself having a blast once you get past the elf shit, and the game is short enough to do in one sitting if you want. Besides, don't you want to sneer with arrogance every time you see someone on /v/ talking about how 7 was the best?

>> No.4642493

>>4642426
Im playing this game for months. I never played in the era because my first FF was FF7. Im thinking about giving up after getting two orbs. The game is great but having a nintendo switch I dont really want to play it. Its pretty hard game imo too many enemy fights. Im stucked in the ice cave

>> No.4642502

FF1 is one of the few JRPGs I can actually enjoy. Frankly, I find most JRPGs to be mind-numbingly boring. Wandering around an overworld, running into invisible monsters, watching 4 minute long battles between anime characters... it gets old very quick. Not only JRPGs are made the same obviously, but generally speaking they are just tedious, grindy and chatty.

FF1 is the exception. This is one of those cases where the simplicity is really necessary for me. Exploring a cool overworld, visiting pleasant little towns, enjoying an amazing soundtrack and fighting some monsters, it's a fun time. It can still get pretty grindy at times, and the monster encounter rate is way too high, but those are really my only complaints. It's a great game.

Do yourself a favor and play the PSX version though. Like >>4642016 said, future versions were gimped, and the NES original is a buggy piece of shit with some spells/items that literally don't even work. It also comes on the same disc with Final Fantasy 2, both remastered with beautiful graphics and music, so it's a good deal. You can find brand new copies online for like $20.

>> No.4642507

>>4642502
what doesnt work in the nes version?

>> No.4642516

>>4642493
>>4642507
im playing NES version and I believe what he says. Its just annoying at some points

>> No.4642749
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>>4642426
>>4642502
No. No. Final Fantasy 1 is fucking garbage.

There are way better RPGs that OP and others could be spending their time with. Don't waste time on garbage from the NES era, look into SNES or PS1 RPGs.

As far as NES? Play Mother 1 on the GBA.

>> No.4642752

>>4642749
FF1 on NES is garbage. FF Origins on PS1 is a legitimately good game. I don't trust your opinion anyway because you clearly play a lot of JRPGs which means you don't have very good taste to begin with. FF1 is a JRPG for people that don't like 99% of JRPGs, and that's a good thing.

>> No.4643197

>>4641981
maybe

>> No.4643286
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>>4642502
FF3 is better at that with short dungeons and a lower encounter ratio. Have you played it?

>> No.4643317

>>4643286
How come this oft-posted FFIII aesthetic image doesn't include Cloud of Darkness, the most aesthetic part of the game?

>> No.4643765

>>4642426
>the game is short enough to do in one sitting if you want
Eh, really? I mean speedrunners can beat it in a couple hours, but for a first-time playthrough with no guide*, I think people should expect to spend ~25 hours on it.

*Yes the manual contains a walkthrough for the first half of the game up until getting the airship, but I didn't use it, because why spoil a good game like that?

>> No.4645746

been reading a bit about it.
jeez, its full of bugs

>> No.4646081

>>4642507
Tmpr, Sabr, and Lock don't work.
Xfer only works on your guys.
Lok2 buffs enemies.
Hel2 works like Hel3 in fights.
Intelligence does nothing.

House heals, saves, then restores spells.

Listed crit rates are wrong. Later weapons always crit more.
Anti-enemy-type weapons are just normal weapons.

Running away is screwy. Read up on that.

>> No.4646389

>>4646081
Those are some pretty big oversights

>> No.4646402

III is the best FFF (famicom final fantasy; I invented this initialism but you’re welcome to use it)

>> No.4646689

>>4642507
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/nes/522595-final-fantasy/faqs/57009

ctrl+f sec9

>> No.4647570

>>4646689
It's listed elsewhere in the FAQ, but that list is missing that Master has worse Magic Defense growth than Black Belt (but is, in all other respects, the same as its lower-tier version).

>> No.4647575

I will still continue to play

>> No.4647586

>>4646389
Nasir Gebelli legitimately didn't know what he was doing. He was headhunted by Nintendo to make "3D" games with Square like Rad Racer and that Space Harrier ripoff and he was the best Apple II programer they had.

He had no idea what a role playing game was suppose to be, like he couldn't even get his head around using numbers as health, probably caused due to language barrier

>> No.4647591

>>4642752
>proud of having an uninformed opinion that comes from having played very few JRPGs
only on 4chan do you see this level of shitpost kek

>> No.4647596

I prefer the GBA versions of 1&2, if only because you don't have to bother with loading times. Though that's probably less of a problem if you're emulating the psx version.

>> No.4647597

>>4647586
>He had no idea what a role playing game was suppose to be,
In all fairness, most people didn't. Final Fantasy was supposed to be Wizardry and Wizardry was supposed to be AD&D.
I mean, FF took some AD&D stuff that wasn't in Wizardry too, but that was pretty much the gameplay direction.
>like he couldn't even get his head around using numbers as health,
An that's a much older concept than RPGs.

>> No.4647665

>>4641981
Sure, why not?

>> No.4647682
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4647682

I enjoy playing the NES version in spite of its flaws. Some areas can be pretty rough, but there was nothing like the first feeling of realization just how epic the game actually was to younger me.

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>> No.4647814

>>4646389
>>4647586
He had to write the whole thing in assembler with tools that didn't allow for comments and without access to a printer.
Cut him some slack, he did a good job.

>> No.4648915

>>4647814
and despite that he somehow managed to encrypt it

>> No.4648935

I replay FF1 on a semi annual basis. You don't have to complete all of the major goals in any particular order, so it's interesting to experiment with different routes. Since your party is locked into whatever classes you select from the start, you can play around with different party setups on subsequent playthroughs.

I wouldn't bother with the later re-releases, especially GBA or mobile. They cripple the game's difficulty by giving you an MP pool instead of spells-per-level, and enemies heap you in experience points and gil. The encounter rate is also ramped up, so dungeons become a lot more sluggish due to persistent battles.

>>4643286

FF3 is too linear and the jobs are mostly plot coupons that become obsolete the moment you defeat a particular boss and advance to the next chapter of the story. It has absolutely no replay value.

>> No.4649042

>>4648915
What's ... hard about that?

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>>4647665

>> No.4649052

>>4649045
Nasir just didn't know how to do it but was too proud to admit it

>> No.4649053

>>4649042
he was using the apple ii's built-in machine code monitor i think

>> No.4649056

>>4649052
That wasn't Nasir.

>> No.4649059

>>4649053
Which makes encrypting the file hard ... how?
That tool can't do it, but the code is just a file.

>> No.4649112

Playing it right now, started with two thieves and two white mages. Now i'm about to storm the floating palace and fight Tiamat. They said it couldn't be done, but it can.

>> No.4649123

>>4641981

What game is this, that box art is sick.

>> No.4649470

>>4649123
gee I dunno, sport

>> No.4649731

>>4649123
Dragon Quest
Obviously

>> No.4649839

I played through it a few years ago and enjoyed it. You'll appreciate where many of the elements originated, especially if you plan on moving to the later titles, especially 1-5, 9, and XI

>> No.4649882
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>>4649839
>XI

>> No.4649892

>>4641981
skip this and go straight to VII, the best game ever made

>> No.4649908

Ok, I'll bite.
Why is VII such a touchy subject here?

>> No.4649938

>>4649908
Many CRPGs / Most JRPGs have little in the way of gameplay, but newer CRPGs are worse about it.
FFVII is from right around the tipping point, is lacking gameplay, and was widely popular.

It's a nice effigy to pin hate for the (per-exisiting) trend on.

>> No.4649940

>>4649938
Come to think of it, many TRPGs (and especially newer ones) have little in the way of gameplay.

>> No.4650214 [DELETED] 

>>4641981

>> No.4650225

>>4649908
autism and severe retardation

>> No.4650226

>>4649056
Yes, yes it was, he was the only programmer at Square at the time. Dirty little jew.

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Pic semi related

>> No.4650431 [DELETED] 

>>4650323
fucking hang yourself

>> No.4650553

>>4649908

not Nintendo, they're still salty

>> No.4650561
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>>4649938
>little in the way of gameplay
I wouldn't say this is the case with any of them, not even FFVII. Gameplay is more than literal twitch action mechanics, and a lot of it has to do with making choices and other things. That being said, VII does sort of contribute to the trend of JRPG gameplay being more of a formality than something to be made efficient and engaging.

>>4650553
I don't think that's the reason at all.

>> No.4650905

>>4650226
>he was the only programmer at Square at the time.
Disregarding that Sakaguchi can code, what about the two in the filename?

>> No.4651265

>>4641981
Not really no, unless you really want to see how the series started. 3 on NES is a much better game if you're keen for some 8bit FF action.

>> No.4651321

>>4651265
3 has poor replay value, but it's worth a run. 2 is kino. Otherwise I agree.

>> No.4651503

>>4642016
I bought a wonderswan from Japan and got FF1 with it, what's the difference with the wonderswan one?

>> No.4651627

>>4651503
Wonderswan is basically the GBA version without an MP system.

>> No.4651715

>>4641981
It really depends on how okay you are with attacks not automatically queuing to the next enemy upon death, in my opinion.

>> No.4651810

>>4649882
I was surprised how much was adopted straight from FF1. Blue flag is best flag
People tend to dismiss the first game because 'muh no story rpg' but it's literally the underpinning of the classes and exploratory structure that the series is based on.

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4651849

Speaking of FF, it took me a long time to realize these were just HP themed reskins.
Any idea which FF in particular it was?

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>>4651849
>just HP themed reskins.
Qu'est ce que fuck?

>> No.4651878

>>4651867
Its obvious they copied everything from FF. I'm asking which.

>> No.4651884

>>4651867
>>4651878

They reminded me more of Dragon Quest 1 and 2, if only because of how simple they are.

It's funny, the JRPG used to be the best tool we had for telling a long, involved story in a video game. So you had Western devs making faux-JRPGs, like HP, Anachronox and LOTR: The Third Age for the PS2

>> No.4651892

>>4651849
>>4651867
I remember a GBA Harry Potter game that borrowed heavily from Golden Sun, so I guess it isn’t too surprising that the GBC HP game did something similar before it.

>> No.4651961

>>4641981
It's good enough it brought the company back from the brink of death.

>> No.4651967

>>4642502
the true crime is how horrible the smartphone port is. especially given they nailed the port for pre touchscreen phones. that shitty perspective makes it unplayable for me.

>> No.4651978

>>4649908
Final Fantasy 7 got a massive marketing push. it was the first FF to get tv commercials. this brought in a ton of curious people who had never heard of the series, and helped the game become a massive hit. as for whether the game was a significant step above FF6... I don't think it was. there is a lot to debate, and a lot of FF7's popularity came from the outrageous characters and plot elements, less so than the game protraying a serious story in a well fleshed out world. It felt like a lot of style over substance.

now, you can argue that games are 50% style, so fuck substance, and you wouldn't be that wrong. but, a lot of older fans who played the graphically simpler, but more stylish and better written FFs would really disagree.

also, a contingent of /vr/ are autistic fucks who hate anything new, hate people who like new things, and hate "casuals" and "normies", which a lot of FF7 fans are.

>> No.4651979

>>4651321
2 is the most fucked up game in the series. but, you get coolness points for being the edgy contrarian

>> No.4652203

>>4649908
Is not a touchy subject. Maybe you don't see many threads here because the game is popular enough to get decent threads in other boards.

>> No.4652473

>>4651979
>le contrarian meme
Anon's right. The PSP release of 2 is a great game. The Famicom version being busted and glitchy as fuck is the same as FF1.

>> No.4652657

has there ever been a rom hack of a FF game that allows you to keep the experience you gain if you get a game over?

or prehaps one that heals your party automatically between battles.

that might sound plebby but the endurance aspect of FF puts me off playing them.
just thought I'll ask just in case someones heard of something like it.

>> No.4652683

>>4652657
Might as well watch a lets-play video

>> No.4652783

>>4651503
The PSX version is just the Wonderswan version with a few FMVs and some other minor bonus material.

>> No.4652862

>>4651321
What does "kino" mean?

>> No.4652894

>>4642749
Maybe it's possible you just don't like NES-era RPGs and your opinion isn't objective?

>> No.4652951

>>4652657
there's probably game genie codes for that dude
just put them in the emulator

>> No.4652984
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>>4651979
Problem?

>> No.4653014

>>4652984
Since you posted the GBA version, what are your thoughts on Soul of Rebirth? I didn't realize that stats/items carried over from my FFII file to the dead characters until I started it and I found myself stuck with shitty weaps and needing to grind right at the beginning, so I dropped it.

>> No.4653021

>>4652984
i respect you, FF2 Poster. every time you post this collage, I think about how I wish the Game Boy Micro had been as cool in practice as it was on paper. I even played a few hours into it on Origins because of you, but wasn't able to stick with it. One of these days, though.

>> No.4653036

>>4653014
Not him, but I thought it was an interesting way to prevent veterans from min-maxing the additional party members and stripping them bare right before they die in the plot. It helps keep you a bit more engaged with the meatgrinder that is the fourth party-slot. Also I loved the fact that they actually did something with the existential questions raised by the fact that Hell literally exists in the game-world.

>> No.4653204

>>4653036
I agree it's a neat twist on a common RPG device, and I might have been into it if I realized that. But I feel pretty fucked with my current game, and was wondering if I grind for a bit, will I be able to pull through, or just struggle throughout? Or if you think the game is still worth it, but I should just download a savestate with better stats/gear? Lazy, I know.

>> No.4653736

>>4652862
"Damn fine art"
/tv/ meme that spread off-site