/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5623441]

This is the best Zelda, change my mind.

[Anonymous No.5623446]

>he likes playing gayelf

[Anonymous No.5623447]

>>5623441
No.
I don't need to change your mind.

[Anonymous No.5623451]

>modern kids can't come up with a way to start a thread other than "Game X is best, prove me wrong!"

[Anonymous No.5623457]

>>5623441
It's one of my favorites at least.

[Anonymous No.5623506]

>>5623451
>tfw "modern kids" have been doing this since the first few threads on /v/ and /vr/

[Anonymous No.5623528]

>>5623506
>proud to be bland and unimaginative!
I see public education is doing it's job.

[Anonymous No.5623534]

>>5623528
>mfw I was actually in a private school
>mfw this retard is probably still in middle school

[Anonymous No.5623617]

>>5623441
I think Z1 is the best Zelda. I think Z2 has a bunch of minor issues that I don't feel like going into because I doubt it would be enough to change your mind. It's a good game overall.

[Anonymous No.5623680]

>>5623441
Isn't it a castlevania clone?

[Anonymous No.5623686]

This games was one of the few games I had growing up over the years (others I remember were tiny toon adventure, smb 1 + duck hunt, smb 2 & 3, tmnt 2 & 3, mega man 3 & 4, captain skyhawk, hydlide, castlevania 2 and Dr. Mario).
As you did back then, you had to replay the same games over and over again, since you only got like 2 games a year (birthday/christmas), so there was a lot of time you spent with those games. I wasn't allowed to play as much as I wanted, remember Ing how the ins and outs of the games are were important, you didn't want to waste your playtime at the exact pit over and over again and game over only to have to wait again until you can play the next time.
So this actually made me quite good at most of the games I owned, I beat the smb's, the mega men, tiny toons,... But there were some of them that always kept me hanging.
Hydlide Was just a piece of shit where I did not know what the fuck I am doing, same goes for cv2. Captain skyhawk wasn't my cup of tea. And zelda 2...well... I played it a lot, but never beat it. Back then I have already known zelda 1 from a neighbours house and really adored it, really looked like something I wanted to play. Zelda 2 on the other Hand... Was somehow eerie to me, I always feeled uncomfertable in that world.
You always had a felling of danger and losging control the moment you stepped out of the temple, the Monsters running you down and suddenly you are swarmed from both sides, the first cave made me shit my pants cause I saw something move in the dark. It was scary to play that game, and I don't even think I enjoyed it that much because of it... But you had to play it again since it is one of those games you never have beaten.
Back in the day I think I managed to get right before the rafting section towards east before I stopped playing for years. When I was 12 I got zelda 1 and never looked back. But years later I actually found interest in playing it again and really liked it, nowadays it's one of my favorites

[Anonymous No.5623709]

>>5623441
It's barely a Zelda. Fine game otherwise though

[Anonymous No.5623714]

>>5623709
What you posted is barely a Zelda.

[Anonymous No.5623718]

>>5623714
That's a Link dummy. Zelda is the princess

[Anonymous No.5624243]

Even for a pixel game, you can really feel the maturity of it, both in the overall design and tone of the game. Twilight Princess is probably the best 3D entry in this regard, as well.

Severely underrated.

[Anonymous No.5624248]

>>5623441
Nah, it's an OK opinion to have even if I don't agree with it.

[Anonymous No.5624251]

>>5623709
Has multiple dungeons and consistent, non-tedious controls, like other retro Zeldas do. Much more than you can say about Wind Waker.

[Anonymous No.5624258]

[Anonymous No.5624325]

>>5623680
no it's its own thing, not much like castlevania at all really apart from being a sidescroller with a melee weapon

[Anonymous No.5624334]

>>5623686
Didn't read lol

[Anonymous No.5624343]

>>5623441
Ive only beat Oracle of Ages/Seasons and Ocarina of Time.

In my opinion the best Zelda is Oracle of Seasons (or Ages).

[Anonymous No.5624565]

>>5623441
Play Zelda 1. That might change your mind.

[Anonymous No.5624604]

>>5624343
I agree, but definitely Ages (first)

[Anonymous No.5624606]

>>5624565
Of the two, I've only beaten Zelda 1. Didn't change my mind.

[Anonymous No.5624608]

>>5623451
This guy is dumb, prove me wrong

[Anonymous No.5624780]

>>5623441
What makes it the best? Imo, it's my least favorite of the ones I played.

[Anonymous No.5624840]

>>5623528
>doing it's job.

Irony.

[Anonymous No.5624915]

Why don't you tell us not only why you think it is good, but how it is superior to the other Zelda titles, and bring something to the discussion before you start a thread.

[Anonymous No.5625046]

>>5623441
The graphics are shit.

[Anonymous No.5625058]

>>5625046
What games made in 1987 look better?

[Anonymous No.5625085]

>>5625058
I dunno, I'm a zoomer that expects old vidya to conform to modern standards or else it's shit.

[Anonymous No.5625098]

>>5623709
>It's barely a Zelda
Yeah that's why it's called a Link

[Anonymous No.5625143]

>>5623680
It's a little bit like Simon's Quest, but with way, WAY more thought and effort put into it.

[Anonymous No.5625451]

>>5625143
My thoughts exactly. There's some bullshit things about TAOL in the same vain as Simon's Quest when it comes to things that one may require a walk-through or could have been communicated better, but at least with this game it's things that are like "oh okay, I should have noticed that", like every town having a hidden wizard that gives you a new power, opposed to the "WHAT THE FUCK, HOW WOULD ANYONE HAVE THOUGHT TO DO THIS?!" factor of Simon's Quest.

[Anonymous No.5625560]

>>5625046
>>5625058
>>5625085
not him, but for a serious response, I would say the graphics in LoZ are better than AoL. The designs for the first game are iconic and memorable. The graphics hold up and look good today despite being old. Part of it is because LoZ didn't try to be an RPG and portray anything but elements of the gameworld. LoZ didn't try to portray a town. NPCs were just tiny sprites with text.

Meanwhile The graphics in AoL don't hold up. AoL tried to portray a lot more and didn't quite get there. Link looks gay and townspeople look weird. Many enemies look weird with the limited color palettes.

So sure, it looked fine for its time. But I'd probably appreciate a remake with better graphics. Meanwhile, LoZ doesn't need a remake with better graphics, its graphics are perfectly suited to it.

[Anonymous No.5625601]

>>5625560

[Anonymous No.5625856]

>>5625560
As someone who doesn't have nostalgia goggles for either game I think both games look fine in their own way. Zelda 2 went for something like an RPG adventure while LoZ kept the designs minimalistic which worked on its own. I also disagree with you about Zelda 2 looking worse, if anything I think it's great to see some of the enemies in a side point of view instead of top down like the goriya and I like how the different view makes for a different way of controlling Link and defeating enemies while still be challenging without overdoing it.

Some stuff is pretty dumb though like finding that medicine or taking water and giving it to a thirsty girl - yes I know we're talking about a game that's over 30 years old and from an era where console games or anything that wasn't PC adventure games or CRPGs at this point barely had a deeper plot than "save the damsel in distress as the heroic knight" but come on couldn't they've come up with ANYTHING better than that?? Also, knockback can be incredibly annoying combined with the lives system when you have to backtrack all the way to the kasuto area. Nitpicking aside I feel the graphics hold up really well and it looks even better than some later NES games like TMNT or Megaman 2 IMO.

[Anonymous No.5625862]

>>5625601
yeah yeah
Link still looks gay in 2019
point is that AoL link is a relatively crude and awkward sprite compared to LoZ link.

[Anonymous No.5628448]

>>5625451
Yeah, yeah. There's parts of Simon's Quest I would argue the game itself just never would tell or insinuate to you how to do, and you're basically expected to be reading a guide or be told by someone who did, while Adventure Of Link never feels like it's so cryptic that you couldn't ever figure it out without a guide.

>>5625560
I agree a little bit.

[Anonymous No.5628542]

>>5624606
What were the reasons why you never finished Zelda 2?

[Anonymous No.5628550]

>>5628448
>Yeah, yeah. There's parts of Simon's Quest I would argue the game itself just never would tell or insinuate to you how to do, and you're basically expected to be reading a guide or be told by someone who did
Name a single thing in Simon's Quest this applies to. One single thing.

[Anonymous No.5628572]

>>5624258
Blow on it

[Anonymous No.5628582]

>>5628550
The classic "hold a red crystal, kneel on a wall and wait for a few seconds" shit. Was that explained? I think not.

[Anonymous No.5628589]

>>5628582
It was.
>one area leads to a giant cliffside with nothing to do
>you're told to "go to Deborah's Cliff with the red crystal"
>the last time you had to go somewhere with a crystal in order to progress, you had to duck for a few seconds to make the screen scroll downwards

I'm sorry you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.5628593]

>>5628589
What indicates that I must be on the wall, retard? If it was just ducking like the water section then it would be fine, but that last part is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.5628598]

>>5628582
>>5628589
Adding to that:
Most people never figured out what the white crystal does because they already have it selected when they go to the first mansion, so they don't realize the lift at the start was originally invisible.
Because of this, they very specifically connect the crystals with "selecting them from the menu, then ducking", because that's what they had to do the last time they were told to go somewhere with a specific colored crystal
So when they're told to go to the cliff with a specific colored crystal, and nothing happens when they go there, OFCOURSE they're going to try ducking.

I never even realized this was possible to get stuck on. It's obvious as all hell.

[Anonymous No.5628604]

>>5628593
Why would you duck far away from the cliff when you were told to go TO the cliff?

[Anonymous No.5628740]

[Anonymous No.5630973]

Started playing it for the first time like 3 days ago and it's honest to God my favorite Zelda. The combat is so much fun, and the exploration is honestly not that cryptic if you read the manual and talk to the NPCs. Maybe I like it so much because it reminds me of Demon's Souls

[Anonymous No.5631034]

>>5625862
How could anyone actually believe this

[Anonymous No.5632410]

>>5631034
some people have eyes

[Anonymous No.5633442]

>second game in the series
>plays completely different and has a fresh idea as a sequel
>BOO HISS BOO NOT MUH ZELDA
>Nintendo basically makes the same exact game for 25 years
>BASED NINTENDO NOW THIS IS ZELDA
Reminder that Nintendo tried but no one listened

[Anonymous No.5634730]

>>5633442
I am so glad I am not you.

[Anonymous No.5634759]

>>5628582
>>5628593
You're told to take a red crystal there and hit the cliff with your head to make a hole.
The thing is, if you were playing games back then you were accustomed to such janglish and other popular games, and would have done the following in order:
1. Look for a way to Mario punch the cliff from below.
This is impossible since there's no way to get under the cliff, so next you would:
2. Look for a way to get Simon's head as close to the cliff as possible.
Crouching accomplishes this, and worked previously with the blue crystal so you crouch and wait a few seconds and bam, magic tornado.
On a completely unrelated note, scoring well on an IQ test is not about getting the correct answer so much as it is about figuring out the rules behind the question, at which point the answer becomes trivial.

[Anonymous No.5634932]

A case can certainly be made for it. If you play Zelda for combat and challenge it's certainly the best by far. If you play for exploration and secrets it's not the best but it's not bad. If it's a combination of those things that you play for, then a case can certainly be made for it, it all comes down to personal taste at that point because the first three games are just that good.

[Anonymous No.5635049]

>>5625560
Why do the boss rooms have curtains?

[Anonymous No.5635201]

>>5623441
I love that sword

[Anonymous No.5635269]

>>5635201
It gave me a giant boner seeing it in Hyrule Warriors

[Anonymous No.5635387]

It's great and all, but I have considered BotW to be the best Zelda since it was released. Zelda II is up there, though. It's a blast to play, even if it's unconventional.

[Anonymous No.5635726]

>>5635387
>You: *swings the legendary Master Sword a few times*
>Master Sword: *breaks*

[Anonymous No.5635885]

>>5635726
Fi knows what she did.

[Anonymous No.5635942]

It's good. Meerly just under rated

[Anonymous No.5635949]

I recently played through it, completely, for the first time when I saw OneyPlays was playing it and I think it finally "clicked" for me. I'd tried to play it maybe three times since I first got into Zelda back in, like, 2002 or so but never liked it. Thought it was too hard. Now, I really dug the challenge.

I don't think it's the best Zelda game, so I'm not gonna try and change your mind OP. I don't know why I would want to.

[Anonymous No.5636575]

LttP exists

checkmate

[Anonymous No.5637513]

>>5636575
LttP needed a bigger overworld map. The world just feels too small.

[Anonymous No.5637564]

>>5635387
Yikes

[Anonymous No.5638959]

>>5623686
Based fellow 80s anon!

I played the shit out of that and Super Mario 2 in 1988!

[Anonymous No.5639067]

>>5633442
>Nintendo goes back to the style of the original game on switch
>everyone hates it

[Anonymous No.5639074]

>>5635726
>>5637564
>remake Zelda 1
>people hate it because it's new
Retards

[Anonymous No.5639247]

>>5635049
It's a palace, palaces have drapes.

[Anonymous No.5639252]

>>5635726
Of all the swords you picked the one that actually doesn't break. It runs out of energy and has to recharge.

[Anonymous No.5639279]

>>5639252
That’s equally gay

[Anonymous No.5639734]

>>5639074
botw is not a remake of zelda 1 by any intelligent estimation.

[Anonymous No.5640003]

The only thing Zelda 2 really lacks for me is puzzles. But I personally enjoyed everything about it.

[Anonymous No.5640662]

>graveyard is 3x bigger than entire zelda 1 overworld
What the FUCK happened up there???

[Anonymous No.5640712]

>>5623451
It's the best way to start a thread. Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.5641219]

>>5640662
The graves of those who fought in The Imprisoning War aka Hyrule Warriors

[Anonymous No.5641345]

>>5637513
You have to think of both the light and dark world as the overworld. Instead of one world twice the size they opted for two similar overworlds.

[Anonymous No.5641626]

>>5640662
It seems like a stretch to imagine those areas from Zelda 2 being an inspiration to later Zelda overworlds but it's an enjoyable idea.

[Anonymous No.5642484]

>>5623441
Not even the best 2D Zelda. It is better than the first game though.

[Anonymous No.5642596]

>>5641345
It feels small even with both words taken into account. Even if it technically has more space than the original game (and I would dispute that), it could still have been bigger and I'd have enjoyed it more. Also, the map could have had a better layout. Part of the reason the world feels small is that you have these huge sections of the map occupied by places you rarely visit or even pass through (such as the castle or the forest).

Still though, I think the problem would have been better solved by just increasing the size of the map by like 15-20% (and adding interesting content appropriately).

[Anonymous No.5642857]

>>5623446
>>5623447
>>5623451
>>5623709
>>5624248
>shittershattered """"""""Zelda"""""""""64 retards