What if Nintendo waited until 1992 to release the SNES because they made it much more powerful than the Genesis? How would things have been different? Imagine a SNES that had no slowdown in any games and had specs that blew the Genesis out of the water.

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Anonymous Fri Mar 5 11:49:36 2021 No.7490176 [Reply] [Original]

What if Nintendo waited until 1992 to release the SNES because they made it much more powerful than the Genesis? How would things have been different?

Imagine a SNES that had no slowdown in any games and had specs that blew the Genesis out of the water.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 11:59:10 2021 No.7490196 It was already years behind the Genesis so if they waited any longer I don't think it would've helped them any

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 11:59:45 2021 No.7490202 still wouldn't have any games besides bing bing wahoo and jrpgs

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 12:02:10 2021 No.7490208

>>7490176
Realistically I think it would've put them more at a tie with sega since waiting another year would mean sega getting a firmer grasp on the market with the Genesis. Maybe the snes would release and a lot of devs would switch over but that would mean the snes would have a shorter lifespan of only 4 years.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 12:02:25 2021 No.7490209 >>7490176 Imagine Dragons.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 12:37:01 2021 No.7490298 >>7490176 i feel like nintendo would've had to go the opposite direction to really fuck sega, same snes specs but 1 year earlier release.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 13:41:39 2021 No.7490457 They would've been worse off. Fuck your hypotheticals, Genesis & SNES are top 5 consoles of all time as-is.

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 13:49:00 2021 No.7490478

>>7490176
The SNES had to go up against the 68000. Considering that, it probably did as good as it could have unless Nintendo had also gone with a 68000. Which is what they should have fucking done since it was the best option for affordable console gaming in that era.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 14:52:31 2021 No.7490641 File: 1.83 MB, 304x224, C82FA479-758E-407D-B480-19BE39352895.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] the snes is an overrated piece of shit made for children

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 15:01:33 2021 No.7490667

>>7490176
nintendo never had any intention of making anything "powerful", which is why they designed the system to take add-ons via carts or expansions, much like the NES.
also, read this if you really want to know how nintendo operated then and how it operates today:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpei_Yokoi#Lateral_Thinking_with_Withered_Technology

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 15:03:35 2021 No.7490671 >>7490478 nintendo stuck to using a 6502 based CPU because they are cheap jews. it's all about squeezing as much as they can from old tech. see: >>7490667

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 15:40:57 2021 No.7490767 >>7490176 It would have been suicide for Nintendo to have waited another year. Sega would own the market.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 15:44:04 2021 No.7490772 >>7490667 >>7490671 The 68000 wasn't expensive tech though and plenty of great clones existed for it made in Japan.

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 15:44:27 2021 No.7490773

>>7490176
Didn't hold the SNES back like things where so it would have been extremely dumb to have postponed it. Most games with slowdowns could have been fixed with going fast-rom but developers usually didn't want to spend extra for that, and only a few games had slowdowns to the point they would pose any kind of problem or even be noticeable.

With the PS1 launching in 1994, the 2 year lifespan before a new generation dawned would have been catastrophic for Nintendo. As for more power, look at all the Sega power upgrade add-ons and the Neo Geo, it did not translate to market success and would just add to the cost, the SNES even beat the Genesis, with it's comparably higher clock-rate CPU.

When the SNES needed power it did it through cartridge chips (like the Neo Geo), and as we all know it proved to be a much better strategy than the constant console add-ons of Sega.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 15:47:08 2021 No.7490778 >>7490176 Mega drive came out in 1988, even if Nintendo waited till 2092 to release the snes it would of been an underpowered piece of crap, because that's what Nintendo like to sell, as long as it has Bing Bing wahoo people will buy it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 15:59:24 2021 No.7490813 >>7490641 All videogames were and are made for children, don't buy into the SJW "games are art, cut your dick off" propaganda.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 16:06:29 2021 No.7490826 >imagine arguing about specs of 30 year old console

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 16:09:28 2021 No.7490830 >>7490778 Rent free

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 16:15:28 2021 No.7490846 File: 420 KB, 577x642, 47DDEE2D-30F2-44F8-BBBC-EBD977E55A79.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7490813 what I’m saying is exclusive from the globohomo redditoid agenda, sega just had the more sophistaced product

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 18:07:15 2021 No.7491203 File: 89 KB, 750x364, E90B38C7-DA49-4152-AFE5-E456346CD0C7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7490767 >sega would own the market they did

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 18:31:31 2021 No.7491279

>>7490176
If they released it later the Genesis would have just had more market share. Being more powerful wouldn't be enough to save it.

The Master System was to the NES what the SNES would be to the Genesis in this scenario and look how that turned out. Something similar happened with the N64 and PS1/Saturn, releasing a console too late means you risk losing a ton of market share.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 18:33:39 2021 No.7491291 >>7490196 This. The SNES was not built to be a powerhouse. Nintendo deliberately used a slow CPU to make the base system cheaper and banked on offloading the cost of enhancement chips on the carts that actually needed the horsepower.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 18:36:57 2021 No.7491303 >>7491203 >sega winning NA after 1994 Peak delusion.

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 18:39:10 2021 No.7491308

>>7490772
Sega used the 68000 because it was comparable to what they were already running in their arcade machines. The Genesis was originally built to be an affordable home version of Sega's arcade business. Before Sonic the marketing was all about playing your favorite arcade games at home like Golden Axe and Altered Beast. It was like a Neo Geo without the price tag. Nintendo, meanwhile, was just looking to do an improved version of the NES. It's called "Super" Nintendo for a reason. Using a better version of the 6502 made perfect sense.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 18:42:26 2021 No.7491321 >>7491303 you’re partaking in this conversation right now literally decades after 1994

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 18:43:58 2021 No.7491327 >>7491321 In the time the SNES and Genesis were relevant (1991 - 1996) the SNES absolutely BTFO'd the Genesis by 1994.

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 18:50:23 2021 No.7491342
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>>7491303
Genesis surprisingly held on pretty well until 1997. It was foolish of SoJ to want to shitcan it for the Shiturn in 1995 when it was still printing loads of money. It'd be like if Nintendo killed the NES in 1990 when it was still getting some of its best games just because the SNES came out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 20:26:04 2021 No.7491667 Genesis came out a full two years earlier as it is and still had a way better CPU. Your question should be "what if Nintendo weren't a bunch of cheap assholes?"

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 20:50:28 2021 No.7491760 Nintendo opted for a slow 6502-based CPU because they've always been cheap bastards and their original plan was to make the SNES backwards-compatible with the NES, an idea that was dropped before the system's debut.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 23:15:25 2021 No.7492172 Considering SNES had better games and sold more, Nintendo already blew Sega out of the water.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 23:21:03 2021 No.7492182 >>7492172 Jarpig nerd detected. Genesis was better for chads as it had the superior action and sports games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 23:31:14 2021 No.7492212 >>7492182 lol no it didn't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 23:34:36 2021 No.7492219 >>7492212 Action games is debatable but Genesis absolutely had better sports games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 23:51:28 2021 No.7492263 >>7490478 >>7490671 Used 6502 for NES playback..

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 23:51:49 2021 No.7492264 File: 119 KB, 2246x1265, snes_master_race.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7490176 >and had specs that blew the Genesis out of the water.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 23:52:37 2021 No.7492267 >>7491203 It so irrelevant with Nocrap and 32x turd

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 23:55:11 2021 No.7492273 >>7491760 >opted Nintendo and Sharp can do duo cut cost console for Superb X68000. Maybe Konami and Capcom architecture version of SFC/SNES/Super NES (PAL)

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 23:56:20 2021 No.7492281 File: 99 KB, 1165x773, 234.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7491203 >>7491321 https://equities.wedbush.com/clientsite/Research/ActionAlertFilePreview.asp?UUID=E4AFF57F-DDBC-437F-8520-AF38BEDD3E43

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 23:56:30 2021 No.7492284 >>7491667 TG-16 have fast 8 bit cpu but weaker graphics. Your point?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 23:57:42 2021 No.7492289 >>7490778 >>7491667 Are you mad or clueless?

Anonymous Sat Mar 6 01:07:48 2021 No.7492493

>>7491291
backwards compatibility was on the table too for awhile. in hind sight, gimped/backwards compatible home computers were a mixed bag in the 80s and 90s. it wasn't a bad a idea. I do not doubt it was for cost too. look at what they did with the gameboy, they literally made the cheapest piece of indestructible shit they could with minor updates until the GBA.

Anonymous Sat Mar 6 01:16:53 2021 No.7492518

>>7490671
They weren't cheap jews when they put in a dac from sony that could technically play cd quality audio if the cart had enough ram. I mean genesis got rid of Yamahas subtractive synth after like the first gen. Nintendo also wanted backwards compatibility but unfortunately to charge them for a worse game like smb compilation

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 01:22:16 2021 No.7492540 >>7491667 Yeah but they pulled the same shit Nintendo did. 6800 was one of the reasons that killed the Saturn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 01:25:43 2021 No.7492552 >>7490176 >What if Nintendo waited until 1992 to release the SNES because they made it much more powerful than the Genesis? It already was though

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 01:53:46 2021 No.7492607 File: 163 KB, 2080x1200, nintenslow.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7492552 Keep telling yourself that, 'tendie.

Anonymous Sat Mar 6 01:57:39 2021 No.7492620
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>>7490176
>had specs that blew the Genesis out of the water
It already did, you poor fag Genesis kids.

Question is, why did the Genesis have such laughably shit sound capabilities, even for 89/90?

Hell, Michael Jackson even demanded his name be taken off the credits for the music he wrote for Sonic 3…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_3#Michael_Jackson.27s_involvement
>In a 2009 interview with French magazine Black & White, Buxer stated that Jackson was involved with Sonic 3 compositions, but chose to remain uncredited because he was so unhappy with the sound capabilities of the Genesis.

Why did the Genesis have such shit visual capabilities?

SNES colors = 32,768 (512 at once)

Genesis colors = 256 (64 at once... LOL)

Anonymous Sat Mar 6 02:02:31 2021 No.7492630

It must've sucked to be a kid and be stuck with a console making Atari noises while your SNES friends had a console with realistic sounds and voices. Why was the Genesis always so raspy and grainy sounding? SF2 tracks...

Genesis
http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/sites/default/files/ssf2files/Streetf2gen.mp3

SNES
http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/sites/default/files/ssf2files/Streetf2snes.mp3

Genesis
http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/sites/default/files/ssf2files/Supersf2gen.mp3

SNES
http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/sites/default/files/ssf2files/Supersf2snes.mp3

Anonymous Sat Mar 6 02:07:53 2021 No.7492643 [DELETED]

It was cool the SNES could sample real instruments and voices... truly nextgen at the time.

SNES
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TRIUXzUrCY

Genesis
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k7Tq0XgfLI

SNES
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eipzunVGIm0

Gensis
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn7eogs6Tgc

Also, the later (more popular) Genesis models had a single sound chip that did the work of earlier models 2 separate ships... so they had even lower fidelity... but that didn't change that they all only had 1 PCM sound channel vs SNES 8 to begin with :/

If you like unrealistic beeps and white noise they are cool, I guess. But don't expect realistic sounding instrumentation... just Atari style chip tunes... outputted at just 24 khz vs 32 khz for the SNES.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 02:11:08 2021 No.7492651 >>7492620 >>7492630 >>7492643 Not reading your hot take, /v/

Anonymous Sat Mar 6 02:12:15 2021 No.7492654

It was cool the SNES could sample real instruments and voices... truly nextgen at the time. LOL, hearing the same songs back to back is funny. Genesis has a real fart sound going on.

SNES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TRIUXzUrCY

Genesis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_xOXZEPaOk

SNES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eipzunVGIm0

Gensis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7DdLkA0QyM

Also, the later (more popular) Genesis models had a single sound chip that did the work of earlier models 2 separate ships... so they had even lower fidelity... but that didn't change that they all only had 1 PCM sound channel vs SNES 8 to begin with :/

If you like unrealistic beeps and white noise they are cool, I guess. But don't expect realistic sounding instrumentation... just Atari style chip tunes... outputted at just 24 khz vs 32 khz for the SNES.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 02:13:17 2021 No.7492658 >>7492651 Are you still mad about the Genesis getting BTFO 30 years later? Really? Wow.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 02:15:06 2021 No.7492660 >>7492658 No, I'm just not a console warrior baby.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 02:17:48 2021 No.7492670 >>7492607 Enjoy your robot farts and a fourth of the onscreen colors, Geneshitter.

Anonymous Sat Mar 6 02:50:23 2021 No.7492740

>>7490176
Here is what went WRONG, SFC prototypes had m68k CPUs. But then nintendo decided the motorola CPU was too expensive, and would have reduced the profit margin. So they went with the cheap, shitty ricoh instead. Thats already nintendos worst decision of all time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 02:54:23 2021 No.7492750 >>7492630 >Why was the Genesis always so raspy and grainy sounding? Crapcom rolled their genesis games out with a buggy sound driver. Thats why.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 02:57:04 2021 No.7492761 >>7492750 Most Japanese developers didn't put a lot of effort into Genesis/Mega Drive multiplats. Probably because the console was so far behind the Super Famicom in terms of sales.

Anonymous Sat Mar 6 03:17:19 2021 No.7492807

>>7492750
It's rather that additive FM synthesis is very unintuetive from a musical standpoint and the Yamaha YM2612 chip has a VERY narrow sweet-spot where things actually sound good hidden behind nonsensical algorithms, it's just not very inspiring to work and create on.
So it's no wonder the SNES is over brimming with classic VGM masterpieces and the Genesis is know for hurting the listener.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 03:36:18 2021 No.7492853 >>7492219 Super Tennis, NBA Live, NBA Jam, FIFA, ISS Deluxe, Royal Rumble... All the best ports were SNES.

Anonymous Sat Mar 6 03:44:31 2021 No.7492873

>>7491203
Very few kids owned any Segas in Canada and the States. Like only maybe after Sonicmania was there that one smug kid on the block that maybe owned a Genesis. And to be fair most knew about Sonic from the commercials maybe the arcade and the animation and advertising. Technically Sonic was just mass hype really. Everyone played Nintendo a few played Sega.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 03:53:53 2021 No.7492887 I had a Genesis and all I wanted was an SNES honestly.

Anonymous Sat Mar 6 08:43:10 2021 No.7493502
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>>7490176
Can you imagine jumping ship from the NES to the Geneshit because you didnt have the patience to wait h for the SNES?

Only to miss out on one of the greatest libraries of all time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 08:56:14 2021 No.7493535 >>7490813 Those two things are not related. Take your meds.

Anonymous Sat Mar 6 13:05:08 2021 No.7494096
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>>7492670
>robot farts
Yeah, because SNES' two-second loops of low-bitrate, muffled, farty MIDI trumpet samples is so much better...

>a fourth of the onscreen colors
Only a Nintranny would brag about muh colours so his games can look more like some faggoty gay pride parade.

Anonymous Sat Mar 6 13:44:20 2021 No.7494212
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>>7490176
What if Nintendo released the Gamecube with the same hardware but with a normal DVD-ROM drive instead of little faggot discs? What if you could play the GTA3 games on Nintendo? Would they still be a competitor and not relegated to the Nintendie niche market?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 17:43:02 2021 No.7494891 >>7494212 Purple box is Persian god send.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 17:44:09 2021 No.7494893 >>7494096 >fm shit >/v/ tard seethe Bait all you got?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 17:45:54 2021 No.7494897 >>7492740 >prototypes had m68k CPUs Link? >too expensive lmao no it ain’t.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 17:47:18 2021 No.7494903 >>7492607 Fook ugly wojak poster. All for Console-tan masterrace!

Anonymous Sat Mar 6 18:12:27 2021 No.7494976

>>7492740
As is common, knowledge and repeted in this very thread, Nintendo opted to go with more widely available chips sets and have the games that needed more power facilitate that on the game cartridge it self (a sound strategy that kept the Neo Geo MVS alive well into the 00s) as they had experienced first hand the issues with chip shortages that promoted the creation of the FDS and almost killed the Famicom/NES early on.

>Nintendos worst decision of all time
By every metric imaginable the SNES was a huge success, in fact it beat every other 4th gen console. They clearly made the right decision anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 18:41:10 2021 No.7495069 >>7490202 ...and fighting games (including one by rareware) ...and shmups (including one of the best horizontal shooters) ...and a classic polygonal on rails shooter ...and, metroid?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 18:44:57 2021 No.7495079 >>7490202 >bing bing wahoo ...This meme you're trying to force, we're just not feeling it. Bad form anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 18:46:54 2021 No.7495087 >>7494976 Downside is Sony CD drive, betrayal proved big mistakes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 18:54:04 2021 No.7495112 >>7491291 The system is so slow because it was supposed to have nes compatibility but was literally removed just before design began production. If they had the choice earlier on they likely would have used a 68000.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 19:20:40 2021 No.7495215 >>7495112 It results a oddly choices.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 20:11:52 2021 No.7495360 >>7494096 >Yeah, because SNES' two-second loops of low-bitrate, muffled, farty MIDI trumpet samples is so much better... They actually, really are, yes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 21:46:54 2021 No.7495713 >>7495087 >>7495215 Found the ESL

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:24:50 2021 No.7495847 >>7495713 Cringe

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:25:53 2021 No.7495850 >>7495713 Found what?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:26:30 2021 No.7495853 >>7495360 I've never heard any SNES music that sounds as good as Genesis music

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:26:56 2021 No.7495854 >>7495360 Sony chip reminds me of Korg and Roland MIDI players.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:30:52 2021 No.7495861 >>7495853 Then here one. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o-2YWVEM_XY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0E4lb0co0Ks V1 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=denC5M73ePc V2 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yhwaUZetFcg

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:33:11 2021 No.7495869 >>7495861 I mean music from actual games, you know what you hear while playing

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:36:32 2021 No.7495882 >>7495869 Beta testing hadn’t been heard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:37:22 2021 No.7495885 >>7495869 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TUcyzk-Hr8

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:38:40 2021 No.7495887 >>7495885 OK beat, but then the shitty horn kicks in. Otherwise can't shake the feeling the version being played to me is some hyper-compressed one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:40:38 2021 No.7495894 >>7495887 Can you imagine the Genesis attempting something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQYCu5EZOGI

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:41:20 2021 No.7495895 >>7495894 I can but I'm not sure what's supposed to be appealing about this one

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:45:21 2021 No.7495910 >>7495360 >>7494096 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rDgRI3nusoQ

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:45:23 2021 No.7495912 >>7495895 >I can It would sound like a malfunctioning buzzsaw.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:46:11 2021 No.7495917 >>7495912 No but if that's what you want to believe, I know you've already made up your mind.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:47:07 2021 No.7495919 >>7495917 What kind of delusional world do you live in where the Genesis could even come close to recreating that sound?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:47:47 2021 No.7495923 >>7495919 One where I've played Sega Genesis games and know a dinky doom ost doesn't represent what the system is capable of. What Genesis games have you played?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:50:31 2021 No.7495928 >>7495923 If you knew what it was capable of you'd know how limited its sound is compared to SNES. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WjMytgvcus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drK_qyEkkDY

Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:51:36 2021 No.7495931

>>7495928
I know it doesn't rely on samples, but I don't think it's as limited as you're deluding yourself into. You don't seem to post a lot of examples from actual games. What Genesis games have you played? You know, with a controller, pushing the buttons, beating stages.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:53:21 2021 No.7495939 >>7495931 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngua3njzHBY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtvHKHOYmck

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:53:42 2021 No.7495941 >>7495939 What Genesis games have you played?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:55:36 2021 No.7495949 >>7495941 Why are you asking me such a stupid question? Do you seriously expect me to list every game I've played on one of the most popular consoles of the early 90's?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:55:52 2021 No.7495951 >>7495949 none?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:56:42 2021 No.7495954 >>7495951 Do you seriously believe there is anyone on /vr/ who hasn't played several Genesis games?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:57:28 2021 No.7495957 >>7495954 Not even a single game?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 22:59:37 2021 No.7495965 >>7495957 I accept your concession that the SNES has a better soundchip since you just want to change the subject to something completely unrelated.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 23:00:26 2021 No.7495967 >>7495965 For homework, complete Monster World 4.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 23:01:30 2021 No.7495971 >>7495967 Already played through most of it. Thought it was boring compared to Wonder Boy in Monster World.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 23:02:44 2021 No.7495979 >>7495971 That's nice, make sure you explore Asha's home village thoroughly before progressing to the forest. You may miss an essential item.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 23:03:47 2021 No.7495981 >>7495850 >>7495847 I found (You)

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 23:04:27 2021 No.7495982 >>7495979 For such a late MD game it really looks and sounds basic. It's barely better than a Master System game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 23:06:22 2021 No.7495984 >>7495981 Shut up

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 23:07:48 2021 No.7495986 >>7495928 That not genesis mix

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 6 23:15:12 2021 No.7496012 >>7495982 Seems like an off-base comparison, I found it had a nice soundtrack that with a matured sound driver explored what the sound hardware was capable of in a unique way.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 7 00:03:27 2021 No.7496159 >>7495112 I do recall this, but the reason they removed the NES chip was instead to use the (ironic) Sony audio chip instead and felt it was a better inclusion. They probably could have kept both but price overall would’ve been far higher.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 7 03:45:25 2021 No.7496751 >>7495939 holy shit the "genesis sound" is so cringe

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 7 04:06:40 2021 No.7496796 >>7494096 I don’t get it what is the point of that picture? >duuude time passes, so deep I bet it has 20k likes on Twitter or something

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 7 04:10:44 2021 No.7496808 >>7496751 holy shit ur life is so cringe

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 7 18:10:34 2021 No.7499242 >>7490176 >How would things have been different? Nin would have lost the generation, Sony would have probably not joined the industry

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 7 18:13:14 2021 No.7499248 >>7490176 >Imagine a SNES that had no slowdown Imagine thinking the SNES had slow downs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 7 18:39:21 2021 No.7499343 >>7496796 The boy became a girl (male), retardo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 7 18:52:47 2021 No.7499391 >>7499248 have you even played starfox

Anonymous Sun Mar 7 18:56:42 2021 No.7499407

>>7492873
this is completely false the genesis was always very popular in the US. I can’t speak for leafland but as an American I can tell you with certainty we all had the genesis it was very common. you’re talking like it was the turbografx or something. no. the shit was fucking everywhere and everyone loved sega.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 7 18:56:49 2021 No.7499408 File: 95 KB, 729x1281, 4thgensales.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7491303 He's right tho

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 7 18:57:50 2021 No.7499415 >>7499408 What Sega fansite is this delusional nonsense from?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 7 19:01:16 2021 No.7499430 >>7490641 What game? >>7495079 I dunno, I chuckled.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 7 22:41:49 2021 No.7500076 >>7499408 Fake new moron

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 7 22:42:51 2021 No.7500082 >>7499391 Have you play Fastrom of Super Castlevania and GnG?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 7 22:44:09 2021 No.7500085 >>7495981 >>7495713 kys

Anonymous Sun Mar 7 23:15:46 2021 No.7500178

>>7490176
The SNES's speed problem largely stems from aborted attempts to have backwards compatibility with NES/FC games. Also, cheapness with ROMs.
Otherwise, they probably would have just used a 68000 and called it a day.
In the 88-90 period, the 68000 was fairly cheap and widely used.

also, the SNES's main CPU isn't quite THAT much slower
Numerically, the ~3.5MHz CPU sounds like it'd be less than half the speed of the 7.6MHz one in the SNES, but the 68000's instructions-per-clock isn't amazing, while the 65c816 in the SNES has a much better IPC, making up for some of the difference.
It's still slower, especially since the SNES CPU often drops to 2.6 or 1.7MHz for ROM+hardware access.

>>7494976
The Neo didn't bother with much custom hardware beyond bankswitching solutions.
Late Neo-Geo stuff just has big-ass ROMs.

>>7492807
Writing FM music isn't particularly hard.
Oddly enough, the "famously bad" (it wasn't) GEMS driver should have made it really, really, really easy.

The big issue is that instead of editing the synth patches (and you didn't need to know what the numbers meant, GEMS as a composing solution was designed to make this zero effort, you twiddled knobs until you got something that sounded nice, about as easy as firing up Deflemask right now and writing a song), developers used the stock sound set (which was General MIDI compatible, and thrown together really quickly since it was expected that people would edit the sounds), used their standard MIDI setup to compose, exported the song with GEMS for the Genesis as an afterthought, and... that was it. No tweaking or anything.

>>7492264
really, this
the Genesis's extra resolution (and square pixels) was great, and the faster CPU certainly helped it a lot
but in general, the SNES was more advanced than the Genesis (and it damn well should be with a 2 year tech gap)

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 7 23:20:54 2021 No.7500195 >>7500178 >attempts to have backwards compatibility with NES/FC game A perfect dream didn’t exist. At least tristar work.

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 00:44:37 2021 No.7500447

>>7500178
> SNES was more advanced than the Genesis
Not just the 2 year tech gap, sega fucked up hard when designing the genesis. They wasted half the die space in the vdp for backwards compatibility with the Sega master system which almost nobody ever used. If sega had dropped the master system mode, there probably would have been enough die space for a 128 color palette, and maybe even 12bit color.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:13:16 2021 No.7500497 >>7490176 The snes is already much more powerful than the sega shitty box.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:15:39 2021 No.7500498 >>7491203 No they didn't this map is fake and has been debunked many times.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:18:07 2021 No.7500502 >>7492620 since I know you never actually played the game considering you weren't alive at the time and all, the top picture is from the SNES and the bottom is from the arcade. just so you know in the future to use a different image while shitposting

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