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Do most people underestimate how much Pokemon revolutionized the handheld market? It was the first REALLY culturally significant game made specifically for handhelds. If you look at the rest of the GB/C era, its almost entirely console ports/versions. Pokemon helped pave the way for the GBA era (the era when developers besides Nintendo took handhelds seriously).

>> No.7719579

>>7719573
>It was the first REALLY culturally significant game made specifically for handhelds.
Tetris.

I understand there was console tetris but tetris on GB was a very big deal.

>> No.7719593

>>7719573
>the GBA era (the era when developers besides Nintendo took handhelds seriously)
what the fuck am I reading

>> No.7719594

>>7719573
>It was the first REALLY culturally significant game made specifically for handhelds

Hey, no. Kirby and Super Mario Land were big deals.

>> No.7719597

>>7719579
Tetris wasn't made specifically for handhelds. I understand the point you're trying to make, but it doesn't fully hold up.

>>7719594
Those are console ports/version. Not new IPs.

>> No.7719606

>>7719597
Kirby was absolutely a handheld original, you mong.

>> No.7719613

>>7719597
>but it doesn't fully hold up
I don't see why not, Tetris was absolutely huge and had a wide spread across various demographics, it was a selling point of the Game Boy, that you could carry Tetris around with you. There were people working in offices at the time who bought a Game Boy just so they could play Tetris whenever they wanted, instead of having to use their work computers.

>> No.7719615

It’s like you people have forgotten about Wario Land.

>> No.7719617 [DELETED] 

>>7719606
Kirby was not a phenomena the way Pokemon was.

>>7719613
His point still stands since Pokemon was made particularly for handhelds and was a handheld exclusive. Your point stands as well, however, because Tetris was never a phenomena on the NES and Super Nintendo the way that it was on the Gameboy.

>> No.7719621

>>7719615
That too, but the entire Super Mario Land series was a pretty big deal as a whole.

>> No.7719626

>>7719606
>>7719615
>>7719621
Kirby was not a phenomena the way Pokemon was. Neither was Wario Land or Super Mario Land. Pokemon was something unprecedented as a cultural phenomena for a handheld game.

>>7719613
His point still stands since Pokemon was made particularly for handhelds and was a handheld exclusive. Your point stands as well, however, because Tetris was never a phenomena on the NES and Super Nintendo the way that it was on the Gameboy.

>> No.7719627

Well now that we have established that OP doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, can we delete this shit?

>> No.7719637

>>7719626
>Kirby was not a phenomena

Gee wow, yeah, being the main character of the story mode for the latest Smash game, totally obscure.

Fuck off OP, whatever point you're trying to make is lost.

>> No.7719641

If tetris doesn't count then Pokemon shouldn't since RPGs started in the NES and Dragon Quest had trainable monsters since the SNES before Pokemon. Pokemon did revitalize and helped make the dying handheld relevant again but handhelds had been a thing for a decade before Pokemon existed.

>> No.7719646

>>7719573
Tetris was still even more successful tho

>> No.7719650

>>7719579
Oh. Beat me to it I see

>> No.7719652

>>7719637
Kirby is a third tier Nintendo mascot only liked by faggots.

They only shove him everywhere because hes a bland pink blob devoid of any personality.

Standalone Kirby games have never appeared in top sales lists for any of the consoles.

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7719657

>>7719573
The whole concept of trading Pokemon with people over link cables was brilliant. It's not an accident that Pokemon became the phenomenon it did.

I like reading Tajiri's story predicting how it might be with kids at school playing the game.
https://www.glitterberri.com/pokemon-red-blue/early-concept-art/2/

>> No.7719658 [DELETED] 

>>7719573
Basedjak is real

>> No.7719662

>>7719597
Tetris on NES released in NA two months prior to the Gameboy version, so they basically released at the same time

>> No.7719668

>>7719652
And yet, his games are more fun than any Pokeshit.

>> No.7719669

>>7719637
>Gee wow, yeah, being the main character of the story mode for the latest Smash game
Samurai created Kirby, that's why he gets such primacy (and stole Donkey Kong's minecart stage)

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7719679

I think OP's point is that Pokemon is a game that could only ever achieve what it did on handhelds. You could have a monster collecting game on consoles (and stuff like SMT existed of course), but you would lose a lot without actually meeting people in person to trade and battle. In as sense it made kids feel like they were living as Pokemon trainers themselves, bringing their Pokemon (Pocket Monsters) around with them. Between that and the virtual pet elements, the game needed to be on handhelds to give the full experience.

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7719682

>>7719657
>>7719679

>> No.7719683

>>7719679
Is this a fanboy or a marketing campaign?

>> No.7719684

>>7719683
It's the truth.

>> No.7719694

>>7719683
It's on point, being portable and being able to go and trade ingame stuff with people IRL was an absolutely crazy feature at the time.

>> No.7719707

>>7719679
OP's point is what he stated. That before Pokemon, there weren't any worthwhile handheld games and developers didn't take them seriously until GBC/A era and Pokemon is specifically the reason why.

Which is of course, so fucking retardedly wrong he's spinning furiously to try and deflect criticisms that point out how stupid he is.

You're just trying to salvage a point out of the verbal diarrhea OP spewed.

>> No.7719708

>>7719694
Again, Tetris did this.

>> No.7719716

>>7719707
Nah, you're being pedantic and butthurt. Pokemon was a mult-media phenomenon created as a handheld IP (a truly new thing). Tetris wasn't a handheld IP. Other popular handheld games largely were not IPs. Cope.

>> No.7719723

>>7719708
What could you trade in Tetris? It had a multiplayer VS mode with the link cable, but that's not the same as everything Pokemon had.

>> No.7719737 [DELETED] 

>>7719573
>>>/vp/

>> No.7719740

>>7719723
You could collect and trade tetraminos with regional tetridexes to complete

>> No.7719748

>>7719708
No, Tetris had nothing to trade, it was a puzzle game, and you could use a link cable to play against people, which was pretty significant in its own right, but it's just a single instance arcade thing, there's no progression or in-game assets. You play the game until you get overwhelmed by the ever increasing speed, then you might compare your score to someone else.

Meanwhile, Pokémon was an RPG game with a world to progress in, it also had characters, characters which you could trade between games, and some which were exclusive between versions, and the major slogan you'd see in marketing was that you should collect them all by fastidious searching and fighting in the game, as well as trading with friends, preferably those who had different versions to you.
This was very novel for a hand held game.

>> No.7719751

>>7719740
I could never find anyone to trade with, always wanted to get a long block like in the TV commercials, but nobody wanted to trade theirs away, fucking bastards.

>> No.7719758

>>7719748
It absolutely was novel, and very important to the market and perception of the Gameboy, but it still wasn't as important as Tetris was to getting systems into people's hands and changing the landscape of portable gaming.
Admittedly, Pokemon as a whole is a juggernaut that kinda showed people how to PROPERLY do a multi-media franchise.

>> No.7719759

>>7719707
>That before Pokemon, there weren't any worthwhile handheld games
There were lots, son, most just weren't anywhere near as huge in sales.

>> No.7719760

What Pokemon had going for it was linking, but actually very few used this feature.
Kids rather play their game and show off their Pokemon, just like they rather collected the cards and didn't play the card game

>> No.7719767

>>7719707
>That before Pokemon, there weren't any worthwhile handheld games
He said "made specifically for handhelds," not that there weren't worthwhile games. I assumed he wanted to emphasize the "specifically" part, as in the game was specifically designed around the handheld aspect.
>>7719716
There were some great original IPs like Kirby, but Kirby largely works just as well on consoles.

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>>7719760
>actually very few used this feature
That wasn't my experience, and in general people did use it. I traded a lot with friends and my brother. Battling we did less, and our team's levels were often mismatched so it was just a one-sided slaughter. Depending on your situation it might've been harder to arrange trading/battling (Pokemon banned at schools, parents wouldn't let you meet up with friends, etc.). That and as cool as the link cable was, it was kind of a pain to use sometimes. You're right though that just showing off your Pokemon was always popular.

>> No.7719790

>>7719760
>just like they rather collected the cards and didn't play the card game
That was me. I think I only tried the game once or twice, but was obsessed with collecting cards.

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>>7719790
*tried the card game I mean, played lots on game boy

>> No.7719814

>>7719797
Me: Mom, can we buy pikachu
Mom: We already have pikachu at home
The pikachu at home:

>> No.7719875

>>7719637
I wrote the reply you're replying to. I'm not OP.

I never said Kirby wasn't very popular. I said the Kirby series was never a sweeping cultural phenomena the way Pokemon was, on Gameboy or otherwise. It's just a fact. Calm down.

>> No.7719879

>>7719579
Came here to say that.

Obviously, a conversation can not be held on the matter as people even consider Pokemon.

>> No.7719959

>>7719682
Didn't Tajiri's idea for trading Pokemon you can't catch come from jealousy that his friend found the rare Wizard's Hat in Dragon Quest II but he couldn't?

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