/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8860921]

What the fuck?? Its actually good?!
Why did no one tell me retro USB controllers don't suck shit anymore?

[Anonymous No.8860937]

>>8860921
You’re about to get 15 (you)’s from guys who have never used it saying you are an idiot for not just using a DS4 or how it’s unusable because it has 2 ms of input lag. Where they get these numbers, only their autistic shitty brains know.
I agree, the quality of usb retro controllers has increased considerably since the mid-2000’s.
I’ve never used the sega licensed Saturn pads from retro-bit but have only heard good things.

[Anonymous No.8860945]

>>8860921
>no analog sticks
yikes

[Anonymous No.8860952]

>>8860945
I've never needed analog sticks for PS1 and earlier.

[Anonymous No.8860979]

>>8860937
Its not even 2ms actually
https://rpubs.com/misteraddons/inputlatency

[Anonymous No.8860984]

>>8860979
1ms of lag? Trash. Just get a DS4.

[Anonymous No.8860989]

>>8860952
>I've never needed analog sticks for PS1
You are certainly not a fan of Ape Escape

[Anonymous No.8860993]

>>8860921
I don't know if it's quality or not. I personally just don't feel justified in spending money on a controller that's designed for basically one single emulated system. Something with more buttons would work with many more systems.

[Anonymous No.8860996]

>>8860989
who is, 7 year olds in 1998?

[Anonymous No.8861019]

>>8860989
>forcing a gimmick to sell controllers
Nintendo tier jewelry

[Anonymous No.8861036]

>>8860993
It's like 20 bucks, and you can use it for any 2D gaming system. Much better than an all purpose controller.

[Anonymous No.8861154]

How long has it lasted you guys
I wanna buy one

[Anonymous No.8861159]

>>8860921
> clear case

What do people find in this? Why is it still a thing?

[Anonymous No.8861185]

>>8860993
It's great for any 2D game on any system all the way to 6th gen and modern indies and the 6 face buttons make it perfect for arcade conversions and arcade style games on any system

[Anonymous No.8861218]

Is the one with saturn connector good too?

[Anonymous No.8861252]

>>8860921
its good but the quality is shit, they die fast, like couple months if youre lucky fast.

[Anonymous No.8861258]

>>8861154
1-2 months

[Anonymous No.8861269]

>>8860921
every controller thread they get mentioned you mongoloid

[Anonymous No.8861275]

>>8860921
Its bretty gud. I got this and the retrobit blue genesis 8 button

[Anonymous No.8861325]

>>8861154
I bought two one wired and one bluetooth to play all those 3/6 button fighting games the PS3 got. Both were the saturn variant and it's been 6 months and they still work without any degradation.

[Anonymous No.8861351]

I had to hotglue shoulder button switches to PCB on my controller to prevent them from accidentally bending.

[Anonymous No.8861353]

>>8860921
I like it. I wish the USB version had a home button though, it would make it easier to use with RetroArch. The wireless version has home and select buttons, why they didn't include them in the USB one boggles my mind. It has a more premium packaging, too.
There are some shortcuts, but not all of them work for me. For example Start + X = Select works, Start + A = Home doesn't. I've never seen that problem mentioned anywhere, does it work for anyone else?

>>8861159
Why is it NOT a thing nowadays? Clear cases look great. Clear DualShocks are sexy af, for example, I have a couple of those myself.

[Anonymous No.8861356]

test post pls ignore

[Anonymous No.8861357]

>>8861351
How can they bend when the shoulder buttons are restrained by a collar? You can't even depress the switch fully.

[Anonymous No.8861365]

>>8861356
No, anon! I can't ignore one of my best friends!

[Anonymous No.8861368]

>>8861353
In my experience the [Hold Start for Two Seconds] is the most usable hotkey for the menu in retroarch. There is no accidentally triggering something in game.

[Anonymous No.8861369]

>>8860921
why don't they make the same pad but with a select button? it's annoying to play ps1 games because of this

[Anonymous No.8861409]

>>8860921
There's a common fault where the C Button doesn't work properly

[Anonymous No.8861461]

>>8861409
I heard about it when it came out. It seems they fixed it in the later model since they sent replacement pads to people that had the problem early on.

[Anonymous No.8861583]

>>8860921
its not bad especially for the price

the d-pad WILL break though
take it apart and look at the (retarded) design
you will see the point of failure for yourself....


still worth it imo anonkun
i used the 2.4ghz wireless one as well

[Anonymous No.8861761]

>>8861461
I bought two of these. One pad had this issue, the other didn't. But it's a gamble and you never know. Would be a lot easier with physical store.

>>8861583
That's too bad because the D-Pad is really comfy.

[Anonymous No.8861815]

>>8861409
>the C Button doesn't work properly
What do you mean? Like it feels wrong or just doesn't work at all?

[Anonymous No.8861971]

I'm going to buy one of these and make a proper thread comparing to the original Saturn JP pad, enough of the vague bullshit in this thread.

[Anonymous No.8861983]

>>8860921
>USB controllers
lol no thanks

[Anonymous No.8861994]

Spit in my face and call me a shill, but I think the 8bitdo m30 is the best option since has basically the same layout with home buttons, start and select. I understand the legacy vibe of the real deal thou.

[Anonymous No.8862002]

>>8861761
just throw it away when it breaks
at under $20 its a damn good deal

[Anonymous No.8862003]

>>8861983
the wireless one comes with the adapter for use on actual hardware anon

[Anonymous No.8862034]

>Why did no one tell me
who do you think you are?

[Anonymous No.8862356]

>>8861154
I got the retrobit genesis 6 button usb and its been what 2 or 3 years now? Still works great.

[Anonymous No.8862372]

>>8861154
I’ve had mine for a year, use it as Bluetooth and USB on my Mister. Shit’s so cash.

[Anonymous No.8862379]

>>8861353
>Clear cases look great. Clear DualShocks are sexy af, for example, I have a couple of those myself.

A matter of taste.
I don't like to see inner parts of the hardware, the whole thing feels cheap and ugly because of that.

[Anonymous No.8862383]

>>8861019
how can you play ape escape when the psp (poop shit portable) only had one stick?

[Anonymous No.8862726]

>>8860993
>one system
You can use it for the Saturn, Genesis, Sega CD, 32X, etc.

[Anonymous No.8862950]

>>8860993
>not wanting the buttons to be in the correct spot
>not wanting a sega fucking saturn pad
why even live?

[Anonymous No.8863121]

I had usb Saturn controllers and the fucking dpad rockers cracked on em so pushing left or right wouldn't work anymore. Fucking pieces of shit.

[Anonymous No.8863149]

>>8863121
don't handle your shit like a retarded caveman. you probably have big fat gamer fingers and no grace.

[Anonymous No.8863163]

>>8863149
Yes I'm sure it was the fact I used it like any other controller and not the fact that it's made out of cheap shitty chink plastic. Never mind the fact my actual Saturn controllers are far older and never had that issue.

[Anonymous No.8863220]

>>8861583
Isn't it the same as the original SEGA design? just sometimes with worse material or slightly off in precise measurements

[Anonymous No.8863293]

>>8863220
the dpad is different

[Anonymous No.8863339]

>>8861971

[Anonymous No.8863379]

>>8861815
Pushing it all the way in sometimes doesn't register as a button press. It clicks and nothing happens. Only on the C button. Not every unit has this issue, depends if you get lucky.

[Anonymous No.8863386]

>>8860921
Tried a bunch of the USB, Bluetooth and 2.4G models of these and
>All but one Mega Drive pad allowed you to push the D-pad down pressing all four directions at once due to a dodgy mishapened mould - you can only fix it by sanding it a bit or swapping the part from another controller (Retroflag, 8bitdo, OG)
>two had C button issues, one unit also had the same issue with the A button
>can't press Start+A on the USB ones because it's a hotkey for the home button
If it weren't for the latter I'd consider the MD 6-button USB version (without L and R) the best since you can swap the parts with an original.
As it is, just get the 8bitdo M30

[Anonymous No.8863403]

>>8861159

There is a clear case saturn. So you buy it to match console and controller.

[Anonymous No.8863613]

>>8863386
M30 only works with PC and switch. I have tons of games on the PS3 I can't play with it but they work no problem with Retro-shit controller. I swear why do all these companies are so stubborn to add console support that isn't switch. The PS3 alone has a plethora of Sega Ages releases that benefit greatly from better d-pads.

[Anonymous No.8863749]

Bought awhile ago a 2.4 wireless one and the r button broke within a day. Just bought a USB one not too long ago and it's been holding up well for a week, but the shoulder buttons breaking scare me, feel like they'll break any second and have dropped inputs. Were the original Saturn ones really loose?

[Anonymous No.8863774]

>>8863293
Aside from any QC issues, what's the main difference? It has the SEGA style rounded surface contact rather than the pivot bump used on Nintendo (and most other) d-pads.

[Anonymous No.8863803]

>>8860921
the plastic is, ime at least, a bit cheaper than the OG ones
but yea theyre fine. and usually pretty cheap in a money sense, so you get what you pay for

tho my entire experience is with the wired controllers, not the wireless ones

[Anonymous No.8863876]

>>8863749
>Were the original Saturn ones really loose?
No, and yours aren't supposed to be. They should be very short traveling, clicking micro switches.

[Anonymous No.8864451]

>>8861971
Looking forward to it. Do you intend to compare the wireless one as well, and will you test on both PC and Saturn?

[Anonymous No.8864995]

>>8861159

[Anonymous No.8865024]

>>8862383
Actions are mapped to cross and your weapon strikes in whatever direction Spike is facing.
On the Loose is an objective downgrade, and not just for that reason.

[Anonymous No.8866287]

>>8861019
Literally the worst remake ever made

[Anonymous No.8866371]

>>8860979
Still too much, I only accept 0ms lag.
Back when I used to play games I had a parallel port connected Saturn Pad. DirectInput supports on demand polling where when the game asks for the controller state, instead of the just returning whatever was last asynchronously polled, the driver actually fetches the current state of the controller.

[Anonymous No.8866478]

>>8866371
Shut the fuck up you gay retard

[Anonymous No.8866508]

>>8864451
I'm getting the wired Saturn USB model and the N64 controller. Will test the membranes and the dpad on the SS, will try to fit an original dpad, cross and buttons on the Retrobit pad, see if the shells can be reused on the original Saturn pads. I have an USB adapter for N64, PS and SS, so these pads will come in handy..

[Anonymous No.8866596]

I have this and a real Saturn pad, but the real one is a shitty used one that I got from Ebay 8 years ago that has sticky-ass buttons so its not too good of a comparison. But, even with that in mind, the bumpers are noticably less clicky than on the original pad and the dpad is nice, but a bit less smooth than the real thing, but is actually very similar.

[Anonymous No.8866641]

>>8866371
>Back when I used to play games
/vr/ in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.8866645]

>>8866596
>a shitty used one that I got from Ebay 8 years ago that has sticky-ass buttons
Have you tried cleaning it? Just take it apart completely and leave the plastic/rubber pieces to soak for a few hours in warm soapy water, then scrub them off with a sponge. Make sure it's fully dried before you reassemble.

[Anonymous No.8867407]

>>8866596
That's already an improvement over the early Saturn USB pads which didn't have L+R microswitches and were just membranes. Why not use the Retrobit membranes on the worn Saturn pad?

[Anonymous No.8867416]

any day now...

[Anonymous No.8867423]

>>8867407
Didnt someome posted a cream lube to restore black electric contacts so that people can fix bad pressing issues in controllers?

[Anonymous No.8867428]

>>8867416
What a dumb layout. Not to mention it has more buttons than even modern controllers.

[Anonymous No.8867495]

>>8860921
it's my main fightan pad, Fantastic and like 20 bucks.

[Anonymous No.8867497]

>>8867416
I need this.

[Anonymous No.8867505]

>>8860921
it's my main fightan pad, Fantastic and like 20 bucks.

[Anonymous No.8867507]

>>8867416
i will pay $100 for this

[Anonymous No.8867518]

>>8861019
>nooooo you can't use that part of the controller in your game

[Anonymous No.8867525]

>>8867428
I want more buttons.

[Anonymous No.8868657]

>>8867416
>start and select are reversed
whyyyyyyyyyy

[Anonymous No.8868716]

those innext black snes controllers are weirdly decent for basically being as cheap as possible. got 2 for like $8 and they both still work. the d-pad and buttons are a bit stiff but you can't complain at that price

[Anonymous No.8868719]

>>8868716
forgot to mention they're like four years old now

[Anonymous No.8868942]

It's pretty comfy yeah, I just already have a stick for fighting games

[Anonymous No.8868952]

>>8860979
>Retro-flag's Genesis controller is 1ms
>Retro-bit is 6ms
Well sheeeit. Should've went with RF.

[Anonymous No.8868959]

>>8867428
The new Duke has the same amount of buttons.

[Anonymous No.8869075]

>>8867428
>Not to mention it has more buttons than even modern controllers.
The sparse layouts of "modern controllers" look like toys compared to my Steam Deck. Seriously, give me more fucking buttons.

[Anonymous No.8869209]

>>8868716
Why bother with that garbage when retroflag SNES controllers are near OEM and cost like $12?

[Anonymous No.8869212]

>>8868952
>using anything but wired

[Anonymous No.8869878]

>>8867416
What happened to this? Is it officially cancelled?

[Anonymous No.8870112]

>>8869212
Yes.

[Anonymous No.8870226]

>>8869209
i haven't tried them yet. all i know is i tried that buffalo snes controller everyone here was shilling and it was DOA. innext controllers are still cheaper by about half anyway

[Anonymous No.8870687]

>>8860921
Want one of these for Streets of Rage remake and also for emulator games.

[Anonymous No.8871709]

>>8869878
I'm sure the company are just changing a few details making sure it's right before release. Like, flappy paddles and a touch screen/keyboard in the middle. :]

[Anonymous No.8872179]

>>8869212
>IM-fucking-PLYING
I always go wired if at all possible.

[Anonymous No.8872772]

>>8872179
Nice reading comprehension there buddy

[Anonymous No.8872780]

As someone who generally doesn't like 8bitdo controllers (their SNES ones aren't great), their m30 (specifically the 2.4ghz rf version) is probably the best sega style controller I've used

I don't know what's different about the manufacturing, but it doesn't have the same shit dpad and stiff buttons that their other controllers do, and I personally find it more comfortable to hold than the saturn controller

[Anonymous No.8872802]

>>8860993
you can use it for everything up to 4th gen, pretty much any arcade game that's not a twin-stick shooter, Saturn (of course), and 99% of PS1 games
it's good enough

[Anonymous No.8874230]

>>8872802
>it's good enough
its not
get a proper arcade stick and stop coping

[Anonymous No.8874253]

>>8874230
Not him, but I never liked arcade sticks at all, D-Pads and analog sticks are much quicker.

[Anonymous No.8874878]

>>8874253
Cope
Even a cheap one is better than a controller for arcade games

[Anonymous No.8876228]

>>8872772
The brands I mentioned are both wired, retarded bot. Your statement was irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.8876707]

>>8876228
Unless you're using some kind of adaptor it's basically impossible for a wired USB controller to have 6ms of delay

[Anonymous No.8876820]

>>8868952
Retroflag has 50% more input lag than the Retrobit controllers according to the latency test.

[Anonymous No.8876826]

>>8874878
i don't need to cope im enjoying what i have
you on the other hand seem pretty bothered by it

[Anonymous No.8876907]

>>8876820
The SNES one is good
Retrobit for Sega and retroflag/ibuffalo for SNES

[Anonymous No.8876964]

I may not buy the pad, look at this, they had one job and had to invent and change the PCB and shell fitting, even the early chink USB clones had the same design as the OG.
The microswitches are also different, this is why you can't trust the shill reviews everywhere.

[Anonymous No.8876976]

>>8876964
What's wrong with it?
I have the USB one and the shoulder buttons are clicky with short travel, as they should be

[Anonymous No.8876992]

>>8876976
The only Interchangeable parts are dpad, face buttons, start button and the conductive pads. It's not a problem if you just want a USB Saturn controller but I was looking to refurbish the old Saturn pads with new shells and contacts, looks like it's not possible.

[Anonymous No.8877004]

For reference the original.

[Anonymous No.8877019]

>>8861154
2ms

[Anonymous No.8877024]

>>8867525
Say no more.

[Anonymous No.8877606]

>>8877024
is this real life

[Anonymous No.8878273]

>>8876992
>NOOOOOOOOO THIS CHEAP $20 CONTROLLER NEEDS TO BE USING THE SAME 25 YEAR OLD TOOLING SO I CAN FIX MY CRUSTY CONTROLLERS FOR CHEAP
Shut the fuck up you dumb faggot. Be thankful its a very good controller and even more thankful they made an saturn compatible version.
Shiturn niggers on this board are fucking insufferable goddamn

[Anonymous No.8878274]

>>8877024
Based shoulder button enthusiast

[Anonymous No.8878328]

>>8878273
>Be thankful
What a cuck with low standards.
Keep lapping up cheap chink shit, you worthless sack of shit.

[Anonymous No.8878362]

>>8878273
The early USB clones did it, they just didn't use microswitches for L+R.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sega-saturn-usb-controllers-invade-ebay-again.351264/

[Anonymous No.8878365]

https://www.happysplanet.top/ProductDetail.aspx?iid=472142504&pr=43.88

Look for Play Sega if you want an alternative to Retro-bit.

[Anonymous No.8878956]

>>8877024
Tell me more!

[Anonymous No.8880149]

Weird you made this thread OP, I literally bought the wireless version last weekend and I've loved it. Hoping it doesn't die, but I've already beat S3K on it and enjoyed the d-pad in particular.

[Anonymous No.8880267]

>>8860921
I have the bluetooth one and it works great, probably one of my best purchases of last year since it's what really got me into Saturn emulation

[Anonymous No.8882317]

>>8876964
That's disappointing they don't line up. These new ones are pricey. I guess this goes to the Mister, and hopefully Switch one day.

[Anonymous No.8882397]

>>8882317
I can see why some people had issues with A and C, look at the membrane, it's overextending on the edges of the PCB.

[Anonymous No.8883929]

>>8867416
I was just drawing some sketches...

[Anonymous No.8884605]

Anyone have any idea on how to go about painting one of these? Especially removing the color from the buttons without messing up the indentations.

[Anonymous No.8884685]

>>8884605
>Anyone have any idea on how to go about painting one of these? Especially removing the color from the buttons without messing up the indentations.
why

[Anonymous No.8884705]

>>8884685
Him and his boyfriend like to do little projects. Dont judge him.

[Anonymous No.8884707]

>>8884685
To mimic the colors the original SLS controllers came in without paying alot of money for a used one. (Pic not mine obviously)

[Anonymous No.8884710]

>>8884707
forgot the image goddamm

[Anonymous No.8884786]

>>8884710
>SLS controller
Those aren't that much better than the Retro-bit, might be even worse due to the L+R not having microswitches at all, only positive aspect is that other than that it's fully compatible with the original pad and you can remove everything including the shell and it will fit.
I bought mine some years ago for $9 and sold it later, can't imagine how much more they're worth now.

[Anonymous No.8884875]

>>8860921
are there wireless editions? I'm past the wired meme for anything but arcade sticks.

[Anonymous No.8884881]

>>8874878
no there is nothing worse than a cheap arcade stick.
sanwa/seimitsu at the minimum or bust.

[Anonymous No.8885618]

>>8884786
Alright nice to see an account to the quality difference but the point is I want to make a Retro-bit one with one of the color schemes the SLS had.

[Anonymous No.8885664]

>>8885618
>I want to make a Retro-bit one with one of the color schemes the SLS had.
So you want to make the controllers that replicate the color of official Saturn pads look like the cheap knockoffs?

[Anonymous No.8885694]

>>8885664
>cheap knockoffs
They were literally made by SEGA in the 2000s, SLS = Sega Logistics Service. The Retro-bit USBs don't even come in the original gray or white.

[Anonymous No.8885713]

>>8885694
SLS is just a chink name, not "official" "official".
Like Play SEGA controllers.
The only legit ones were the PlayStation Sega Saturn pads.

[Anonymous No.8885748]

>>8885713
The Playstation ones were made by SLS.
Anyways maybe I should use a tiny screwdriver or something to scrape the paint out of the button indents then sandpaper on the rest?

[Anonymous No.8886051]

>>8885748
Paint will always chip out sooner or later. The good news is that the buttosn from all these clones are compatible, I've made my own combinations. It's lame Retrobit didn't do the gray model.

[Anonymous No.8886590]

>>8883929
test

[Anonymous No.8886604]

>>8886590
Did it work?

[Anonymous No.8886627]

>>8886604
I'm considering making the trackball and d pad on the underside interchangeable.

[Anonymous No.8886774]

>>8885694
They did come in white. Must have sold badly as they don't make them anymore.

[Anonymous No.8887561]

>>8883929
This is a terrible idea. Dpads/ trackballs/ touchpads on the reverse of the controller under the main diamond and main dpad/stick position won't work.

[Anonymous No.8888741]

>>8868959
Right and wrong.
The new duke's white and black buttons iirc are hardwired to be the same as the shoulder buttons, you can't bind them seperately; black is always L1/LB and white is always R1/RB.

So it's same amount of physical buttons, but it's less effective buttons

[Anonymous No.8889314]

Controllers suck shit but pic is better then any of the retro throwback controllers. Mechanical switch dpad and buttons. Only controller Id use if im not using an arcade stick.

[Anonymous No.8889315]

>>8889314