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Anonymous Fri May 13 23:03:45 2022 No.8906198 [Reply] [Original]

You will grind and you will like it!!

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 23:05:20 2022 No.8906203 >>8906198 this is all rpgs

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 23:10:42 2022 No.8906209 i actually do like grinding its relaxing

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 23:15:36 2022 No.8906215 >hurr durr you can just mash x >oh but you have to grind otherwise enemies'll kill you too fast pick one wrpgcucks

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 23:20:21 2022 No.8906231 File: 75 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault (2).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] k

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 23:22:08 2022 No.8906235 File: 42 KB, 300x300, 1651174141385.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >playing a JRPG when you don't like grinding

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 23:22:59 2022 No.8906237 >>8906235 I just want a challenging jrpg that you cant win by grinding

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 23:24:46 2022 No.8906239 It’s not as grindy as the first two, is it?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 23:29:47 2022 No.8906256 >>8906237 where does the challenge come from? how? puzzles?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 23:32:27 2022 No.8906261 This is why I don't play JRPGs on real hardware anymore. Fast forward actually makes the games enjoyable.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 23:33:14 2022 No.8906262 >>8906256 strategy

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 23:37:50 2022 No.8906276 File: 1.40 MB, 480x270, 1630279944708.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8906262 >>8906262 Overcoming with strength is a pretty good strategy

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 23:46:59 2022 No.8906291 File: 2.75 MB, 4577x2578, 20220514_032318_copy_4577x2578.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I will cheat my way through and there is nothing you can do about it

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 23:48:53 2022 No.8906297 >>8906198 Dragon Quest hasn't had mandatory grinding since 3.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 02:31:12 2022 No.8906568 File: 28 KB, 250x309, sofia.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] furiously grinding Sofia

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 02:50:04 2022 No.8906591 >>8906237 So don't grind.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 03:22:16 2022 No.8906631 >>8906237 You just need to play action RPGs then. The ones that play like Ys or Zelda

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 03:53:34 2022 No.8906691 >>8906198 I'm convinced most of the time people complain about grindan in jarpigs its just because they are bad and refuse to try and adapt to a challenge instead of mashing their head against a wall until number big

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 03:54:09 2022 No.8906694 >>8906631 ys is too expensive and is on esoteric consoles

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 04:04:56 2022 No.8906720 >>8906261 They actually added a fast forward option on the latest DQ games though.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 04:07:07 2022 No.8906726 File: 421 KB, 1536x2048, Dx0Nc-dV4AAdWok.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8906198 >You will grind and you will like it!! See>>8906209 Specially when I play nothing but DQ games.

Anonymous Sat May 14 04:15:12 2022 No.8906731
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>>8906297
If anything DQ4 has more grinding than 2 or 3. In those games the only times you REALLY have no choice but to grind for a bit is when you're lvl 1. In DQ2 that only happens once. In DQ3 that happens twice I guess; in DQ4 that happens what, 4 or 5 times?

Anyway if in DQ2/3/4 you're grinding past the few initial levels, to the point that it becomes something you have to complain about; then you probably really suck at the game, it's always possible to push forward otherwise.
You might get unlucky and die once or twice, or you might have to exit a dungeon to heal before mapping out half of it, but that's part of the game.
I have a feeling that players complaining about grinding are the kind of players used to more modern jRPGs (16-bit onwards) in which you can just spam X to win and don't have to worry about anything; and expect older jRPGs to play the same, so they think they're "supposed" to grind until they're high lvl enough to be able to do that.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 04:16:13 2022 No.8906735 File: 6 KB, 256x240, Dragon Warrior IV (U) [!]_016.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8906731 That's not the screenshot I wanted to post

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 04:33:00 2022 No.8906767 There's a reason this series is Japan's darling: >>8906209 Work is exhausting, and working harder than usual doesn't always have a positive outcome. Sometimes you may be working towards nowhere. Uncertainty sucks.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 04:33:53 2022 No.8906769 >>8906198 you can literally beat the game at level 1

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 04:40:46 2022 No.8906781 >>8906631 whats the best tg16 emulator

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 04:43:10 2022 No.8906783 >>8906203 git gud

Anonymous Sat May 14 04:59:34 2022 No.8906808

>>8906731
JRPGs are about complete and total domination of monsters. It's power fantasy, nothing more or less. The ideal balancing is being forced to grind for about 15 minutes to 4 hours upon arriving at every single town. It's the equivalent of shounen anime. You must do the training before the tournament arc, then you can be Goku and plow your way to the boss, who should be a moderate challenge. A JRPG that doesn't follow this formula is inferior and I'm not aware of any that are perfect. It is merely an ideal to strive for. Like you said, most don't require grinding, making them objectively worse at being JRPGs.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 05:03:22 2022 No.8906821 >>8906808 so you just want boring easy games that dont rely on your skill?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 06:18:50 2022 No.8906975 >>8906769 god gamer if true

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 07:03:07 2022 No.8907041 >>8906694 PC or PS4

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 07:08:37 2022 No.8907048 >>8906731 Dragon Quest has always been the "mashing X" kind of RPG. If you want strategy play SMT3 or 4.

Anonymous Sat May 14 07:10:24 2022 No.8907050

>>8906808
>You must do the training before the tournament arc, then you can be Goku and plow your way to the boss, who should be a moderate challenge

Then you should stick to later RPGs. The difficulty in DQ2/3/4 or FF1/2 or Mother or any other 8-bit RPG that's well designed isn't about obliterating every encounter and having moderately challenging bosses, each encounter is a small challenge and the real challenge comes from them wearing you and your ressources down little by little, and having to manage a boss that's actually NOT that hard but facing him after being worn down and with what you have left. If you want DQ4 to turn into spam attack to win encounters, then yeah, prepare yourself for some insane grinding.

Anonymous Sat May 14 08:46:29 2022 No.8907173
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On a semi related note I'm playing Ninjara Hoi! and it's one of the best DQ clones I've played on Famicom (after classics like Mother, Lagrange Point and Metal Max). at several points in the case there are NPCs recommending you to grind to a specific level before continuing

The only real negative point of this game is that overworld exploration is lacking and it's a bit too linear

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 09:48:45 2022 No.8907283 >>8907173 Akira Sakuma, creator of Toki and Momoden wrote that game.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 10:59:28 2022 No.8907406 >>8907048 It's basically always meant to be casual/kid friendly. Yes some RPGs like NES Ultima III are harder and more strategic.

Anonymous Sat May 14 15:42:35 2022 No.8908053

>>8906231
>the second it becomes obvious you're supposed to grind to progress
>not complete sidequests or fight random battles on the way to an objective, grind as in walk around in a circle
Yep I'm thinking it's Gameshark time. Even more true if you're supposed to grind for rare drops.

Anonymous Sat May 14 15:59:09 2022 No.8908119

>>8908053
>supposed to grind for rare drops

Are you talking about Talon's chapter? You get drops by the dozens in that. And the goal is to make money but you can literally buy something and sell it for higher in the same city.

Otherwise I have no idea what you could be referring to

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 16:02:07 2022 No.8908129 >>8907048 Are you fucking kidding me? Say something else now

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 16:03:08 2022 No.8908132 >>8907041 Thats not real Ys

Anonymous Sat May 14 16:42:01 2022 No.8908268

Define 'grinding'. Because in my experience, the only DQ games with any required grinding are 1 and 2. You don't have to grind in most jrpgs and all you're really doing if you do so is exchanging the use of strategy for the time spent grinding up stats instead

I feel like people consider fighting any sort of random encounter as 'grinding' which is retarded

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 16:43:44 2022 No.8908269 >>8908268 >I feel like people consider fighting any sort of random encounter as 'grinding' which is retarded Yes, I agree.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 16:49:51 2022 No.8908286 >>8906209 This. I like to throw a couple records on and grind away while smoking and chilling.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 16:51:31 2022 No.8908295 >>8908286 If a game isnt hard or intellectually interesting why bother? Why even play retro games? might as well play boring as fuck shit modern cinematic games and '''chill out''''' fucking retarded pothead numales

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 17:24:47 2022 No.8908412 >>8908295 >I am a genius because I play games for babies

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 17:42:13 2022 No.8908483 >>8908412 not all games are meant for babies you know. and yeah games are probably the most mentally taxing source of challenge in my life.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 20:49:02 2022 No.8908954 >>8908286 Smoking is bad for health

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 21:01:36 2022 No.8908982 File: 47 KB, 809x268, flan princess.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8908119 Just JRPGs in general not any DQ games specifically.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 21:33:07 2022 No.8909063 >>8906237 not retro but etrian odyssey might be what you want, it relies more on team setup and skills rather than just grinding high stats and mashing X

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 21:33:40 2022 No.8909068 >>8909063 EO is too panty quest for me

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 22:10:53 2022 No.8909160 >>8909068 only if you make it, you can choose the character portraits you want

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 23:55:24 2022 No.8909379 >>8909160 Bullshit man. That game is hurt feelings edition all over it

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