Shmups Thread

[Anonymous No.9090464]

What ya been playan, /vr/?

[Anonymous No.9090732]

Been playing a little Fire Shark. I'm getting about halfway through.

[Anonymous No.9090768]

>>9090464
Damn that looks fun

I just beat Mega Man X2. The final boss is pretty tricky until you realize his mouth beam can’t hurt you in the corners most of the time. Still needed 4 subtanks. Started X3 right after. Wow, the music is so much better than what I remember. X1 is normally the game known for its music, but this got me far more.

Also playing Saturn games. The Saturn might be the last and best console for “have fun within 30 seconds” games.

[Anonymous No.9090771]

Cho Aniki.
Always and forever.

[Anonymous No.9090801]

>>9090464
They all got to expensive so I'm supposed to feel bad about playing them on emulators or something? I own a few for Genesis

[Anonymous No.9090876]

A little bit of R-Type Leo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu7_I3CnDP8&list=PL6PHQCxAqpJRyl4zMYTYw4HUNqUdGYIoL&index=3

[Anonymous No.9091276]

Is Gain really the worst character in Batrider? He seems pretty good to me.

[Anonymous No.9091286]

>>9090464
What's funny is most shmups were made in a couple months, even the so called "good ones" and it shows...can't understand the appeal of repeating 25minute loops over and over the same way exactly the same each run and getting rewarded for playing exactly the same having almost the same dull experience over and over doing the same inputs in the same way each time actually players pray to crash or explode their ships just to add some variety to a run it's called suiciding and raising is know for such features encouraging the player to suicide to ease the monotony of the same boring run over and over. Sorry OP you tried but you need better taste imo

[Anonymous No.9091290]

I've decided to get into the genre. Rate my playlist
>Battle Garegga
>Darius Gaiden
>Einhander
>Gradius V
>Ikaruga
>M.U.S.H.A
>Panzer Dragoon Zwei
>Radiant Silvergun
>Revolver 360
>R-Type Delta
>Thunder Force IV
>Tyrian 2000

[Anonymous No.9091301]

>>9091290
Play the console games first to get into the genre, they are beatable by the average gamer after some practice.

[Anonymous No.9091304]

>>9091290
Might shock you but that's a certified newbs normie list of generic memorizers. I hope you don't regret your time sink. Why not just play good niche shmups like donpachi ketsui futari daioujou or DDP? What's your issue?

[Anonymous No.9091307]

>>9091304
>cave
>niche
but they're the second most popular set of shmups nowadays, only second to touhou

[Anonymous No.9091308]

>>9091286
>>9091304
Get help.

[Anonymous No.9091312]

>>9091307
popular in name but the "fans" fear playing cave, research how many active ketsui, ddp and daioujou or futari players are now actively into those games? A handful think on that

>>9091308
Sorry speedrunning and shmups are handicap cousins low quality genres and im tired of pretending they arent

[Anonymous No.9091317]

>>9091312
that's bullshit, on twitch cave are easily the most streamed shmups
cave is not le special niche for le hardcore gamurs bro

[Anonymous No.9091350]

>>9091317
>that's bullshit, on twitch cave are easily the most streamed shmups
on youtube and nicolive konami shmups reign supreme, hell even raiden gets more streams than caveshit.

[Anonymous No.9091380]

>>9091350
ah yes because you're talking to japanese people on 4chan

[Anonymous No.9091382]

>>9091290
Avoid Garegga for now, this game is gorgeous annoying for newcomers, its not easy to detect the bullets, so many times you're likely to go down and have no idea what killed you

[Anonymous No.9091385]

Shmup threads are ruined here because of this one shizo that shits up the threads with his dislike of the genre because he is full of regret for memorizing games he didn't like to play. Shame.

[Anonymous No.9091392]

>>9091380
>he doesn't know japanese in current year
laughingelfman.bmp

[Anonymous No.9091394]

>>9090464
Just played Einhander emulated on Duckstation, you can really brush up the graphics and make it look incredible. One of the few PS1 games with polygon/3d graphics that aged well visually. Love dem boss fights

Today I just started checking out some sega shmups, MUSHA and Lightning Force.

[Anonymous No.9091395]

>>9090464
was actually planning to play buttrider soon

[Anonymous No.9091423]

>>9090464
why are many shmupfags trannies?

[Anonymous No.9091489]

>>9091380
Half the cave streams on twitch are japs. the few westies that stream cave are often the only people playing those games seriously, so futari has 1 westie maybe 2 , ketsui 1, doj 1 or 2. Meanwhile lots of people claim to be fans of cave but play them fuck all

[Anonymous No.9091493]

>>9091489
you're a bit out of the loop, gus is on a long futari break, moglar seems to not play ketsui anymore
regardless of this cave is still the most common stuff you see streamed, easily

[Anonymous No.9091496]

>>9091385
>One guy
never noticed that, seems like many many people do that because the genre has many flaws admittedly and is dead because of those flaws

[Anonymous No.9091498]

>>9091493
So it's even worse then.
How many serious westie doj and ddp streamers are there? 1 or 2 for each.

>Cave popular
In discussion and for hoppers to touch for 20 mins a week Spanish flu style, but how many are getting good and making progress in cave in the west ? Almost none they are coping with piss easy dadshmups Spanish flu style

[Anonymous No.9091502]

>>9091290
elemental master is a good megadrive one to check out

[Anonymous No.9091503]

>>9091498
don't move the goalpost, this wasn't about serious play, you see low level cave play every day many times there

[Anonymous No.9091506]

>>9091502
Yep it's great ironically shitty console shmups like elemental Master are better than time sinking arcade trash like Garegga, strikers, thunder dragon 2 , Raiden donpachi Gradius etc

I also recommend zanac games and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Mania:_Daiginj%C5%8D
Quick fun you can breeze through without the boredom of arcade memorization copy shit. Then get back to whatever good games you play normally

[Anonymous No.9091517]

>>9091503
Low level shitter play is YOU moving the real goal post >>9091312 notice active players means long term guys making active progress and trying to get good and learn a cave game, not tourists like Aktane doing a shitty ddp 1cc then hopping to some other trash clear Spanish flu style

[Anonymous No.9091523]

Ikaruga mogs all Caveshit.
Disagree? You're trans.
Sorry not sorry.

[Anonymous No.9091526]

>>9091523
>One good game vs the best shmup company
Ikaruga is great but every ikaruga player admits cave is superior

[Anonymous No.9091552]

I like where this thread is going but wanted to add that shmups are not so fun to play but more fun to watch and talk about I took espana pill now I like them more I just avoid playing them Gradius and Darius and old shmups very fun watch and strikers 1945 but don't ask me to show how to play

[Anonymous No.9091570]

>>9091552
a shmup only gets good after 1000 hours of memorization grind

[Anonymous No.9091590]

>>9091394
>Just played Einhander emulated on Duckstation, you can really brush up the graphics and make it look incredible.
It looks 10 times better on a good CRT at 240p

[Anonymous No.9091594]

>>9091590
>It looks better when it looks worse.
K.

[Anonymous No.9091626]

>>9091290
Super Aleste/Space Megaforce was another really good shmup from the 16-bit console era.

[Anonymous No.9091641]

>>9091385
That guy also seethes constantly over some shmup dicksword server he was banned from, and cries about its individual users we would know nothing about if it weren't for him.

[Anonymous No.9091643]

rate my newest acquisition

[Anonymous No.9091646]

>>9091641
Damn. He complains about shmups being a waste of time and yet wastes a ton of time shitting on shmups in every single shmup thread. Truly a pathetic individual.

[Anonymous No.9091665]

>>9091526
>The best shmup company
Not even close

[Anonymous No.9091712]

>>9091643
How much for hyper duel?

[Anonymous No.9091734]

>>9091712
$800 but it came with the obi strip and registration card

[Anonymous No.9091747]

>>9091552
Lol

[Anonymous No.9091749]

>>9090464
Cleared Arrow Flash on Genesis. It was meh. The mech is kind of a cute sprite. A little too easy for my taste.Working on Sagaia for Genesis and loving it. I like the shield system: It's like, yes you are fucked if you die like in Gradius, but the shields and the branching path options are so fair that if you die it's 100% your fault and always feels fair.

It feels challenging but not like "spend 5 hours learning one boss's le-bullet-hell pattern autistic hard. And the presentation is stellar. It's cool blasting giant fish instead of dime-a-dozen Raiden-clone generic tanks in a bland, beige desert. Blech.

I definitely prefer console shmups to arcade shmups--especially Genesis and PC Engine which both have like 5-8 super high quality exclusives. For retro games in general, I like a challenge, but only one that takes me like 3-15 hours of playing through to get 1cc.

I don't want to spend dozens of hours cycling through save states on a 20-30 minute hardcore quarter muncher. That shit is not fun to me.

A lot of tryhards have this weird complex with shmups where they're trash if they're not the hardest of the hard and it's so dumb. Super Mario Bros wasn't that hard. Clearing the Classicvania's wasn't that hard. THAT'S the level of challenge I like in a good console shmup. I play it anywhere from 30-60 minutes at a time only using save states if I'm snagged on one particular boss or section but otherwise playing through it organically. Highly enjoyable.

>>9091290
Solid list. I'd echo the recommendations for Space Megaforce and Elemental Master. Soldier Blade, Thunder Force III, and Gate of Thunder are also great.

>>9091506
So glad to see non-autists getting into shmups and seeing a resurgence in console titles. There's so much good stuff:
-Super Aleste/Space Megaforce
-Gun*Nac
-Blazing Lazers
-Soldier Blade
-Gate of Thunder
-Lords of Thunder
-Elemental Master
-Thunder Force 3 and 4
-Gleylancer
-MUSHA
-Magical Chase
-Over Horizon
-GG Aleste 1-3

[Anonymous No.9091750]

>>9091734
I hope you put 800 hours into it to at least get your money's worth

[Anonymous No.9091760]

>>9091750
It's the best shmup I've played so far in terms of how tight & fluid the gameplay is. It's a little bare bones in terms of play modes however and you can't do specific levels which kind of sucks desu

[Anonymous No.9091764]

>>9090464
got eschatos and zero ranger but got sidetracked playing mushi, dfk and crimzon clover
arcade or dreamcast for mars matrix anons?

[Anonymous No.9091772]

>>9091764
I have the Dreamcast version but haven't played the arcade one. Looks wonderful on the Dreamcast and also had a shop in the main menu...is that in the arcade? I'm curious how that would work in an arcade

[Anonymous No.9091776]

>>9091764
dreamcast mars matrix has less slowdowns than arcade so it makes the game more challenging
also fixes the score from counterstopping

[Anonymous No.9091782]

>>9091749

I just play arcade games as if they're console games, usually like 5-10 credits. Its enjoyable, then you gradually get better and shave it down. I actually got a 1cc of 2 games this way.

[Anonymous No.9091793]

>>9091782
Yeah, that's totally fair. In retrospect, there's nothing wrong with anyone enjoying ANY game--I just can't help but roll my eyes at the older shmup dudes online who look down on anything that isn't super hard. There's obviously a lot of reasonable arcade stuff that isn't insurmountable. In particular I've really enjoyed Darius Gaiden and R-Type Leo and will probably clear them eventually.

[Anonymous No.9091794]

>>9090464

[Anonymous No.9091805]

>>9091794
great game but this is the shoot 'em up thread not the run 'em up anon.
also lower the brightness a little bit. It's for your own good

[Anonymous No.9091823]

>>9091805
It’s my phone camera, it’s cracked and makes everything with light blurry. I also took this with the flash lol

[Anonymous No.9091827]

>>9091805
I didn’t see the shmumps I just saw the what ya playin. I’ll just fuck off never mind me.

[Anonymous No.9091836]

>>9091794
Get rid of that cringe scotformer shite and pop in some Ikaruga mate.

[Anonymous No.9091838]

>>9091827
godspeed king

[Anonymous No.9091863]

>>9091749
Space Megaforce is fucking rad. NTA you were replying to, but I'm a noob to the genre and saw Space Megaforce in a SNES Drunk video, actually tried it out and it's SO good. The generic title wasn't doing it any favors back in the day lol, but thank god for emulation. It's the first of this genre I've ever beaten. I want to play Ikaruga next but feel like I need some more shmup practice

[Anonymous No.9091864]

>>9091590
Interesting, I've heard that but assumed it was the same shit as autist tryhards claiming you should only ever listen to albums on vinyl. My cuz just picked up a pretty nice CRT from some rando on craigslist, I have a shitload of old snes/sega games so I was thinking about grabbing a bottle of whiskey and taking them all over to his house for us to try em out. I have to admit, some of the screenshots I've seen look pretty great. I at least have to play Sonic 2 on that CRT

[Anonymous No.9091871]

>>9091863
I don't think any Aleste game got localized with the series title other than Robo Aleste (which came out after). They all have random ass names like that.

[Anonymous No.9091903]

>>9090464

[Anonymous No.9092005]

>>9091793

I understand. I hate the arcade elitism too, I get it a lot in bmup threads when you mention you really like Streets of Rage and some autist flies off the handle screaming that its shit, lmao. Console-only arcade genre games are great and I'm tired of pretending they're not.

[Anonymous No.9092019]

>>9092005
SoR2 is better than many arcade bmups and this ticks that autist off lol

[Anonymous No.9092217]

>>9091734
hyper duel is $200 on yahoo auctions u retard

[Anonymous No.9092394]

>>9091665
his only good game was PoDD

[Anonymous No.9092397]

>>9090771
Gay

[Anonymous No.9092957]

I've been on a Genesis spree lately
Played Steel Empire, Dangerous Seed, Verytex, Thunder Force III and IV and MUSHA
Trying to beat Greylancer and Eliminate Down, fuck me, the latter is hard, but i love it, reminds me a lot of R-Type.
Speaking of which, why was R-Type or R-Type II never ported to the Genesis?

[Anonymous No.9092961]

>>9092005
>Streets of Rage
>>9092019
>SoR2
Gay

[Anonymous No.9092963]

>>9090464
A round 1 near me recently got Gradius II so I've been playing that there and the PC Engine port at home

[Anonymous No.9092982]

shmups get boring fast, i beat many most people that play them pretend to find them exciting and barely play even the best players can only stomach 1 or 2 at most

[Anonymous No.9092985]

>>9090464
Happy to see Genesis shooters getting love ITT. Junkie has a video reviewing the entire catalogue in a few days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLB4W-8pZos

He also did this for PC Engine. It's a pretty solid tier list from a guy who's been playing for years.

[Anonymous No.9093176]

>>9092982
If you aren't playing for score your opinion doesn't matter. It's a genre for autists though, score running is barely below speedrunning in autism level.

[Anonymous No.9093181]

>>9091749
I just cleared Sagaia!!! Fuck, bros. That was so fucking fun. 10/10 for me. I had a blast. Took me maybe a 5 days or so of running through it. Only used I think one save state to learn one of the last bosses patterns so I didn't keep dying there.

I lost my life halfway through the final stage and was reduced to the base pew pew shooter.
I had like 7 lives going in and beat the game with 2. The stage was an onslaught without power ups. I lost 3 to the stage and 2 lives to the final boss. The final boss isn't bad but it took a long time at my base power and it was honestly more a test of focus and keeping my nerves in check. So fun. I'll definitely try to beat it again and upload a video to my channel. I was fist pumping alone in my house and scared me dog a little lmao. It's moments like that where you're down to the wire and pull through that makes shmups so fucking great.

[Anonymous No.9093207]

>>9093176
Lol, that's the thing, anon. It's actually NOT a genre exclusively for the autists. It's a broad and diverse genre with many difficulty levels.

Games like Elemental Master, Over Horizon, and Space Megaforce are no more challenging than your average quality games of the era. They take a few hours of practice and then can be cleared without "autism" aka excessive save state practice.

Calling console shmups autistic is like calling Super Mario Bros, Castlevania, Mega Man X, or other games of that era "autistic." They take that same level of effort. You're not gonna clear them the first time, but it isn't going to be a full time job to clear them. They're comfy AND challenging.

If you think Gun*Nac or Soldier Blade are autistic, you really do suck. To put those games in the same category as something like Ketsui or R-Type II is retarded.

[Anonymous No.9093293]

Been trying to git gud at Raiden since I ordered the 1/100 model kit recently. Shit's hard 2hard4me, I genuinely don't believe I have the relfexes needed to 1cc the game!

[Anonymous No.9093301]

>>9093293
it's very easy compared to bullet hells

[Anonymous No.9093316]

>>9093301
well it's an old daddy shmup so yes but it's still hard if you suck and dont practice like I do

[Anonymous No.9093330]

>>9093301
Not really, no.

[Anonymous No.9093359]

>>9093293
>keep the red shot for 98% of the game (only use blue for a few bosses)
>pick the homing missiles, they're overpowered
>just move left and right at the bottom of the screen for 35 minutes since you need 0 dodging skills and enemies are so predictable in dadshit, they will always miss you
>there's a safespot against the final boss (otherwise he's kinda hard, which is rare in dadshit)

[Anonymous No.9093379]

>>9092005
>>9092019
cope, ninja warriors again is a good console exclusive, sor is just shit

[Anonymous No.9093405]

>>9093301
Actually the opposite. Bullet hell games are never mean enough to snipe you from the bottom of the screen.
>>9093359
>just move left and right at the bottom of the screen for 35 minutes since you need 0 dodging skills
Bruuhhhh...

[Anonymous No.9093406]

>>9093379
ninja warriors is another example of console bmup better than most arcade bmups, sor2 is another, then there's modern stuff I won't mention which shit on basicallly every arcade bmup

[Anonymous No.9093410]

>>9093405
>Bullet hell games are never mean enough to snipe you from the bottom of the screen.
good example of the illusion of difficulty of old shmups.
it happens once or twice and never again once memorized, because there's no execution required just don't sit mindlessly in the wrong spot afk
while bullet hells have much better balance between memorization and maneuvering execution

[Anonymous No.9093464]

>>9093406
sor2 is garbage it's not even as good as sor3, let alone better than the top tier arcade stuff.
>then there's modern stuff I won't mention which shit on basicallly every arcade bmup
lmao no, sor4 and shitter's revenge are for clueless shitters who don't understand bmups

[Anonymous No.9093490]

>>9093301
Yeah, dude this is a bad/incorrect take. Maybe you've only played Raiden Trad on easy mode for Genesis? The arcade version is a different story. The sniping combined with the slow ship speed, massive hit box, and delayed bomb makes Raiden far more difficult than a 1-All of DoDonPachi for example. Or maybe you were thinking of Raiden Fighters? That series at least gives you fast ships.

[Anonymous No.9093519]

>>9092985
Yeah, i am waiting for that vid to pop as well, genesis was a good console for beginners

[Anonymous No.9093528]

>>9093490
>slow ship speed
if you pick 2P side (which everybody does) the ship speed feels fine to me honestly. it's not like KKK tiger where you move around like a snail

[Anonymous No.9093669]

>>9093293
Have you been playing on the second player side? It’s still a tough game but the game is a little easier with the blue ship

[Anonymous No.9093675]

do you guys like any of the shmups on itch?

[Anonymous No.9093861]

>>9091665
Toopoo sucks

[Anonymous No.9094017]

>>9093675
Spolous EX is a legit good Gradius ripoff

[Anonymous No.9094039]

>>9093316
post your 10-ALL, danmakuck

[Anonymous No.9094124]

>>9093464
Post started off wrong and got even dumber by end. Great job you reveal you don't know the genre and also have poor taste. You might be bri'ish m8 and living with ur mum's me thinks

[Anonymous No.9094159]

>>9093675
Klorets is a better Espgaluda 2 than the one we got

[Anonymous No.9094248]

>>9093207
>If you think Gun*Nac or Soldier Blade are autistic, you really do suck.
Yes I know they're entry level challenge but thanks for proving my point

[Anonymous No.9094283]

>>9090464
the team mechanic in batwider i'll never understand

i play as shorty, start variant

[Anonymous No.9094308]

>>9094283
you gotta have a team if you want to fight all the fun secret bosses

[Anonymous No.9094325]

Was expecting good things from this. It's shit

[Anonymous No.9094358]

>>9094325
i will forever not laugh at the idea of putting limbs on a fighter jet.

[Anonymous No.9094426]

>>9094039
if you dont play danmaku seriously you dont like the shmup genre and should go back to bing bing wahooo jumpers

[Anonymous No.9094485]

>>9094039
dumbass poser clueless about the genre dadshits are the one you can 10-all not the danmashits

[Anonymous No.9094507]

I am going for my first 1CC in one of these games after having never cared about the genre before, and I'm doing fairly well at it. But I will say nothing further because I perceive shump community members to be unhealthy conversation partners who should be avoided in most cases, and I see no possible profit in sharing my endeavor with them. Anyway though, I'm having fun!

[Anonymous No.9094534]

>>9091734
lol

[Anonymous No.9094536]

is Donkey Kong 3 a shmup

[Anonymous No.9094540]

>>9094536
Gallery shmup/scotformer hybrid

[Anonymous No.9094759]

>>9094536
no, it's actually good

[Anonymous No.9094858]

my first 1cc mushi on novice :)

[Anonymous No.9094863]

>>9094858
Nice. I always get to either the penultimate boss or the final stage then need to continue.

[Anonymous No.9094883]

>>9094858
and my first 2-all DFK on novice too :)
I almost made it on Crimzon Clover novice but i fucked up on the last stage and last boss, literally died when he had 10% hp ;_;
I should practice deathsmiles's last stage and boss because that difficulty ramp is insane but very fun.
>>9094863
thanks!
to me the problem points are the 1up section on stage 3, the long enemies in stage 4 and those side giant bugs in the second half of stage 5 plus the boss

[Anonymous No.9094918]

How about those Hybrid Shmups like Guardian Legend or Legendary Wings?

[Anonymous No.9095009]

>>9094883
omedetou!

[Anonymous No.9095021]

>>9094918
there are not enough of them
legendary wings could have done so much more with the concept but it's just a bonus area

[Anonymous No.9095059]

>>9094124
>chav boogeyman
damage control bc u have trash taste

[Anonymous No.9095065]

>>9095059
pity u bruv

[Anonymous No.9095420]

>>9091594
Zoom zoom

[Anonymous No.9095452]

>>9092957
Eliminate down is my first and only 1 CC. Loved it but shit was hardcore. I love the music which is a rip-off of Iron maiden 's Rime of the ancient mariner. Oracticed with savestates on a rpi3 then crushed it on original hardware

[Anonymous No.9095573]

>>9095420
nostalgia crt goggles

[Anonymous No.9095609]

[Anonymous No.9095630]

>>9095573
Nothing to do with nostalgia, it's simply how the devs intended. I'm sorry you were not born yet.

[Anonymous No.9095653]

>>9095630
The devs would have liked 1080p resonution if they could have gotten it.

[Anonymous No.9095724]

>>9095653
Well for sure but I think native resolution on period accurate hardware > everything else. To each their own I guess

[Anonymous No.9095875]

>>9091301
>>9091290
How do you play through the Panzer Dragoon games? I thought the Saturn was supposed to be near-impossible to emulate, no?

[Anonymous No.9095931]

>>9095452
>Eliminate down
congrats, i'll check it out
>rime of the ancient mariner
they couldn't choose a better song to rip off
>>9095875
huh? aren't they completely playable on saturn?

[Anonymous No.9095937]

>>9095875
>I thought the Saturn was supposed to be near-impossible to emulate, no?
it's a myth, Mednafen works very well
if your computer sucks, the games run fine on SSF too, I played them on a toaster 2 years ago with that emulator

[Anonymous No.9095959]

>>9095875
Sega Saturn emulation is wank because the slowdowns aren't accurately replicated in games due to the design of the VDP being too complex for emutrannies to get right.

[Anonymous No.9096117]

>>9095931
Here it is
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AnTheCo9s_o&t=9s

[Anonymous No.9096416]

what's the japanese punk rock song that one of the batrider boss themes rips off again

[Anonymous No.9096436]

>>9096416
nvm found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg_fvAZSexg

[Anonymous No.9096438]

>>9095875
Honestly, I would just play it on a Saturn because i have one and the game isn't expensive. Not really a fan of rail shooters though.
However, as other anons mentioned, Saturn emulation isn't really that bad anymore. It is only bad compared to NES or SNES emulation, which is basically perfect at this point.

[Anonymous No.9097040]

BOMB DA SUBWAY

[Anonymous No.9097071]

>>9092397
IS NOT
There is nothing gay about masculinity.

[Anonymous No.9097731]

I fucking love tanks with parachutes but so far i've only seen them in
>19xx
>crimzon clover
give me every shmup that has them and i'll play and rate them according to the quality of their tanks

[Anonymous No.9097771]

>>9095959
>emutrannies
There is no discernible difference between using the actual hardware and emulation for the vast majority of retro games you fucking imbecile.
So many skilled programmers mastering emulation and making great mods for classic games; do you just plunk "trannies" onto the end of everything because you think it sounds cool?
You sound like a fucking retarded nigger teenager.
>Just fork out thousands upon thousands of dollars to play a bunch of rare, expensive games or don't play them at all
Imagine being so fucking idiotic and shiftless that you bitch about emulation of all things.

[Anonymous No.9098867]

does snes have any good shmups ?

[Anonymous No.9098871]

>Why yes, I am the best console shmup dev, how did you know?

[Anonymous No.9098878]

>>9098867
Pocky & Rocky if that counts.

[Anonymous No.9098882]

why did they choose to ruin aero fighters for snes
by making the guns shoot werid ?

[Anonymous No.9098883]

>>9097771
>getting triggered by chan-style speak
Newfag as fuck, also dilate.

[Anonymous No.9098936]

>>9098883
I've been posting on 4chan since you were probably smearing your own shit on the walls of your single mom's income-adjusted 2 bedroom apartment, faggot. It's the newer crop of shitters like you who have to squeeze in something about fucking trannies in every post.
KYS

[Anonymous No.9098972]

>>9098882
Subpar console port aside, Aero Fighters is inconceivably based

[Anonymous No.9098981]

>>9095875
Saturn emulation is good with Mednafen

[Anonymous No.9099116]

>>9098981
Not with that godawful input lag it's not.

[Anonymous No.9099686]

[Anonymous No.9100118]

This game is the silliest shmup I've ever played and I love it

[Anonymous No.9100152]

>>9100118
does it emulate properly now?

[Anonymous No.9100167]

>>9098871
Because of the Aleste games and Zanac. And because their games literally cure AIDS.
Also one of my absolute favorite developers for having made Puyo Puyo.

[Anonymous No.9100178]

>>9090464
I been playan Eschatos and Touhou 7 on my PC every now and then. I'm trying to 1cc the Touhou games on normal in order for some reason; maybe I just don't value my own time enough.
Whenever I hook up the PC Engine I inevitably lose an hour or so to Gradius, Gradius II or R-Type Complete CD. I also played 1942 Kai, Kiki Kai Kai and Parodius the last time I played with it.

[Anonymous No.9100274]

Just got a ps2 and downloaded every vertical shmup that allows TATE mode

Dodonpachi DOJ
Dragon Blaze
Double Shienryu
Espgaluda
Gunbird 1 & 2
Homura
Ibara
Mushihimesama
Psyvariar: Complete Edition
Psyvariar 2
Radirgy
Raiden III
Shikigami no Shiro
Shikigami no Shiro 2
Strikers 1945 I & II
Triggerheart
Trizeal
XII Stag
>What play?
>What avoid?

[Anonymous No.9100287]

>>9100167
kek, seriously. NTA, but Space Megaforce was my introduction to the genre, I just played it a few months ago and it fucking blew me away. I love this genre now, but I haven't found one I liked as much as that localized Aleste title.

[Anonymous No.9100416]

>>9100274
Play DOJ, Ibara, Psyvariar, ‘galuda, Raiden and Darius IV. Avoid the rest :(

[Anonymous No.9100498]

>>9100416
What's wrong with Gunbird?

[Anonymous No.9101161]

>>9091385
Icycalm?

[Anonymous No.9101224]

>>9100416
>Darius IV
wut

[Anonymous No.9102358]

>>9100274
PS2 is pretty crap for shmups honestly, you should get a Sega Saturn or PC Engine.

[Anonymous No.9102375]

[Anonymous No.9102378]

>>9100274
i thought the ps2 sucked at arcade ports?
bad ports of all the cave titles atleast

[Anonymous No.9102382]

>>9102375
>CHO REN SHA
https://web.archive.org/web/20190726062221/http://www2.tky.3web.ne.jp/~yosshin/my_works/download.html

[Anonymous No.9102396]

>>9098871
YES compile rules

>gun nac
>zanac
>guardian legend
>gunhed / blazing lasers
>musha aleste
>super aleste / space megaforce
>robo aleste
>spriggan

[Anonymous No.9102478]

max here

i want to get back into the shmups

maybe ill hit s4 on ketsui

[Anonymous No.9102680]

Finished Gradius Gaiden for the first time. Is Gradius 4 really shit like everyone says?

[Anonymous No.9102693]

>>9090876
Based ost

[Anonymous No.9103440]

go play dragon saber

[Anonymous No.9103521]

Been playing Elemental Master on MegaDrive...is Undeadline a better game? What about other ground-based or fantasy themed shooters

[Anonymous No.9103538]

>>9103521
i just downloaded, haven't played any mega drive shmups but the ones on turbografx/pc engine where a little huh shallow if not cool

[Anonymous No.9104380]

>>9098871
>wow this game plays great let me just finish this stag- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Anonymous No.9104412]

>>9102680
3 and 4 are literally just 2 but shittier.

[Anonymous No.9104434]

>>9104380
play Aleste Gaiden for MSX, it has solid level pacing / design

[Anonymous No.9105128]

>>9104380
sorry narcoleptic bro

[Anonymous No.9105624]

>>9104434
will do
>>9105128
>>9104380
this is also me, i've been on a console shmup spree and huh... so far pc-engine and megadrive have been quite a snorefest. The only game that hooked me was ecco the dolphin so go figure.

[Anonymous No.9105872]

>>9104380
that's not fair since literally every shmup gets boring and sleep inducing due to the repetitive memorization formula

[Anonymous No.9106120]

>>9091643
Good games, enjoy them anon.

[Anonymous No.9108076]

Are any of the Raiden games good? Just found out that Raiden 4 is going to be removed from Steam next week and I want to get that plus the older games.

[Anonymous No.9108281]

Satrun vs Switch which is the best shmup console

[Anonymous No.9108342]

>>9108076
I personally like raiden ii the most

[Anonymous No.9108409]

>>9108076
what the fuck, you are right. The publishing contract has run it's course and they are pulling the plug.
Seems the steam version has a Strict online drm thing going on but the gog doesn't.
someone in the discussions posted a mega link with the gog files to put on the steam version.
how's raiden 4 overkill then? it's been on my wishlist for like a year

[Anonymous No.9108498]

>>9091290
>Radiant Silvergun
>Ikaruga
These are good, a little unforgiving at times but incredibly fun once you get a good rhythm going

[Anonymous No.9109382]

>>9108076
no they aren't good, they become incredibly easy once you memorize the enemy layouts

>>9108498
these are only fun if you play for score and RSG is too long imo, but they're shmups so set expectations to LOW

[Anonymous No.9109402]

>>9109382
>they become incredibly easy once you memorize the enemy layouts
but that's true for all classic shmups since the execution requirement was brain dead easy, so once you memorized them they were trivial; that's why Cave invented bullet hells because players were destroying 'grandad shmups in a few weeks at the arcades, so bullet hells went beyond memo and required actual tight execution not just tap dodging and sitting in safe spots and had scoring mechanics something missing in 90% of granddad crap shmups

[Anonymous No.9109416]

>>9109402

agree old shmups killed the genre,
Cave breathed life into it for a decade but they couldn't keep the ship afloat all by themselves,

so fuck shmups

[Anonymous No.9109480]

Best thing about shmup threads is retro gamers and arcade fans coming together expressing their dislike of the genre.

[Anonymous No.9109551]

>>9109480
lmao weird how that happens everytime huh? it's either tranny calling, literal-who's whoring discussion or complaining how fucking shit everything is.
the /v/ doesn't play vidya meme is truly alive and well here too huh?

[Anonymous No.9109571]

>>9109480
Based and agreed. In fact I think it's the one thing /vr/ unanimously agrees on. Shmup trannies are outcasts even on 4chan, no wonder they're angry and frustrated 100%¨of the time.

[Anonymous No.9109787]

>>9100152
Can't really say for sure. I haven't played it on a cabinet or console. It plays fine, no framerate or slowdown issues
>>9109402
how do we define grandad shmups? I'm playing Final Star Force and it feels old but is only from like 1992

[Anonymous No.9109979]

>>9109787
>how do we define grandad shmups?
those are gallery shooters like Galaga, Space Invaders, Juno First

[Anonymous No.9110043]

>>9109787
>how do we define grandad shmups?
gallery shmups, see Galaga, Space Invaders, Juno First, etc.

[Anonymous No.9110095]

>>9091794
LMFAO !

[Anonymous No.9110125]

>>9109402
This autist is in every thread huh?

[Anonymous No.9110132]

About to shmup.

[Anonymous No.9110135]

>>9110132
I posted the uncropped image. Because i am retarded.

[Anonymous No.9110216]

I've been playing 2hu recently, the PC98 and Windows ones. Very enjoyable. I've only managed to 1CC a couple on normal, haven't tried out the harder difficulties since I want to play all of the games. Other than Touhou, I 1cc'd Silver Surfer and am very interested in playing some NES SHMup's but haven't taken the time to figure out the best of the library.

[Anonymous No.9110256]

Almost perfect

[Anonymous No.9110403]

[Anonymous No.9111324]

>>9100152
Hard to say anon since I never played it originally in a cabinet or another version. It didn't seem to have any slowdowns or issues
>>9109480
what do we define grandad shmups as?

[Anonymous No.9111629]

>>9111324
>what do we define grandad shmups as?
fixed screen shooters (space invaders, galaga, the list goes on)

[Anonymous No.9112184]

For all you fucks that don't know what to play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLB4W-8pZos

[Anonymous No.9112330]

>>9090464

[Anonymous No.9112361]

>>9097731
Progear

[Anonymous No.9112424]

finally beat this bullshit after 2 weeks, i kept getting to the last boss and dying for like a week, finally got lucky enough to beat him. sick game though.

[Anonymous No.9112467]

>>9111629
Luv me Galaga
Luv me Moon Cresta
Ate CAVE
'Ate touhou
Simple as

[Anonymous No.9112726]

Any beginner advice for Thunder Force 3 and 4?

[Anonymous No.9112987]

>>9112184
you want us to... play a video?
>>9112361
thanks anon finally someone fucking answered my request. I'll check it out right now and please do tell me if you find anymore

[Anonymous No.9113029]

>>9110256
this game, 19XX and Strikers 1945 II are platonic ideal shmups for me

[Anonymous No.9114406]

For me? It's fuck shmups.

[Anonymous No.9114486]

>>9113029
yes I 2 alled all of those in an arcade in barcelona, don't ask for proof

[Anonymous No.9114867]

>>9113029
Because the graphics, art and music is really cool. And other stuff.
>>9110132
My other arcade stick.

[Anonymous No.9114871]

>>9114867
It works

[Anonymous No.9114876]

What do you think of a shmup called
Ibara kuro black label ?

[Anonymous No.9115095]

>>9112726
they're memorizers, not much to say besides remember where the traps come from, since they're always at the same place. haven't played 4 in a long time but 3 has a lot of annoying traps so it's normal if you die a lot at first.
>Thunder Force 3
iirc the forward shot is super strong once upgraded and you should use it against bosses

[Anonymous No.9115242]

How many 19-- and strikers games are there ?
What one is the best ?

[Anonymous No.9115249]

>>9115242
Thats a google type of question bro

Strikers I and II are pretty good

[Anonymous No.9115640]

>>9115242
19XX and 1943 are the best ones.

[Anonymous No.9115660]

https://youtu.be/3O73FzM2IOc

[Anonymous No.9115746]

>>9115242
>19--
goes from 1941 to 1944 + 19XX, and there are two versions of 1943 (it's the same base game tho, not a brand new game). best ones are 43 (forgot which one) and XX
>Stroikers
45, 45 II and 99 (also called 45 III). There's also 45 Plus which is a remake of 45 II (yeah it's dumb), don't know if it's very different but it looks less fun.
all stroikers games are good

[Anonymous No.9115964]

>>9115746
Nice to know

[Anonymous No.9117178]

>>9115640
Fuck, I meant 1944.

[Anonymous No.9117681]

I did not care for Genesis Darius.

[Anonymous No.9118482]

>>9095609
get that 1up bro

[Anonymous No.9118647]

>>9095609
Don't bomb

[Anonymous No.9118835]

>>9098867
r-type 3

[Anonymous No.9118894]

>>9110135
That looks super nice. Would get one if I didn't already have like 7 being useless clutter

[Anonymous No.9118897]

>>9108281
Neither

[Anonymous No.9118982]

Can't get into shmups because they require I play the first three stages over and over and over even after I can do them blindfolded the game needs me to keep replaying them to "beat" it. That's mindnumbingly boring and bad game design, one thing they should learn from jrpgs is SAVE points, if a player can get to stage 4 without dying then why fuck you want him to replay those three stages again and again? Fuck off and just let me continue from a save point. How hard is it to program a save beacon that activates mid game if you can no death the first half or whatever....

>Inb4 just use save states
Not the issue because those invalidate a run, the game itself should reward and by default allow save point progression for all players who EARN it. Stop PUnishing me by making me redo the first boring fucking stages over and over specially on shmups with two loops or more!!! What a shit genre

[Anonymous No.9119016]

>>9098867
Gradius 3
R-Type 3
The Parodius games
UN Squadron
Axelay
Super Aleste/Space Megaforce

[Anonymous No.9119042]

>>9118982
because youre supposed to master the entire game, not just one stage. most shmups are short, there would be no challenge if you could just save at every stage. it makes the game more exciting knowing that if you fuck up you have to go back to the start. besides theres a lot of shmups that have infinite continues anyway.

[Anonymous No.9119049]

>>9119042
It was exciting when you had a few dollars to blow on a machine in the laundromat or chuck e cheese. Now that they are on console/mame they appeal to people with autism who want to keep making number go up. Literally indistinguishable demo to speedrunshit.

[Anonymous No.9119052]

>>9097771
>Just fork out thousands upon thousands of dollars to play a bunch of rare, expensive games or don't play them at all
Pseudo saturn kai cartridge is like 20 bux on aliexpress
Not against emulation and shit but don't pretend using original hardware is a richfag hobby.

[Anonymous No.9119087]

>>9119016
Uhhh those don't count
U don't get to bring friends

[Anonymous No.9119097]

I've been playing ketsui on my cab a lot. I'm aiming for a 1cc soon but it's fucking hard, especially since
>stage 4 is dicks and you get overwhelmed fast as fuck unless you remember your routes properly
>cinderella amber's first and last attacks i CANNOT find a consistent setup for them, the first one is completely undreadable to me and the second one always has a way of cornering me after a few seconds
>stage 5 is just completely incomprehensible after a certain point and descent-post descent is specifically crafted to maul you
>evaccaneer is hard but not as hard as everything else leading up to it

At least i'm fairly consistent in stage 3 now which was my last roadblock, i can get the 1-up and use maximum one bomb on the stage, one bomb on jamadhar if i'm using type 1 and can't dodge the walls in time

still, this is how far i've gotten this week with 1 credit. I got myself a raiden fighters 2 board recently i got on a whim so i kind of wanted to play that for a change, but i'm still having too much fun with ketsui to just put it down in favor of something else.

I really wonder how people do ura loop runs on command on this thing

[Anonymous No.9119301]

>>9118982
theres reason the genre died lol yes you right

[Anonymous No.9119562]

>>9118982
you're misunderstanding the genre.

it makes a lot more sense and becomes a lot more fun when you stop looking at it as a series of tasks that you need to overcome once in a "good enough" way and then forget about, you're supposed to MASTER it and be able to achieve GOOD SCORES. The score counter isn't there for show like it would on a console game, the fucking score matters. Scoring is what makes shmups fun. It's the point of the game.
If you just play for survival you don't get extends, you don't improve as easily, you don't learn to make routes which are the save/checkpoint equivalent you want, you damn fool.
And if you don't like them that's your issue entirely. I play hella ketsui and have incredible fun with it even just repeating 1st and 2nd stages, because i can either learn every time and come up with better ideas to approach the stage, or if i'm good enough already, i can learn to become consistent, and if i'm already at the point where i'm getting high scores, i can still try and get more and improve by making better/riskier strats or learning shit like empty-locking.
That's where the depth of these games is, it's all self-challenge and you decide how far you want to take it, but mastering it is the whole point, not just beating it in a single setting and then forgetting about it. If that's the way you like your games, play something else.

>>9119301
i was going to write a long ass post detailing why you're wrong but i think i'll opt to call you a nigger instead

[Anonymous No.9119649]

>>9119562
>i was going to write a long ass post detailing why you're wrong but i think i'll opt to call you a nigger instead
holy mother of based.
it's insane how much this almost dead genre filters and triggers people who want
>muh checkpoints
fucking hell go play sony's movie-games instead.

[Anonymous No.9119670]

>>9119562
the save equiv i was referring to are extends btw. 1ccing shmups gets easier if you do scoring and learn to manage resources. Forget NMNB, that's for the pros.
I play >>9119097 (ketsui), so you can get 2 lives via score and 2 hidden ones on stage 3&5. Every life gives you 3 bombs. You WANT to use them, because if you die with bombs in stock, they get deleted, so it's very penalizing. And bombs are on par with lives in terms of value, 2 secs of invuln, bullet cancel, and will nuke enemies or help speedkill bosses.
Knowing this, you can start to see what a run should look like:
>i want to get to at least stage 5+PB
>score as best as you can on stage 1, go for NMNB
>stage 2 has two shit parts, one before the miniboss and when the second batch of planes and tanks come at you later. You can either learn them and make a route (which i do for the first one) but i'm not consistent in the second, so i can plan a bomb here or risk it while being ready to bomb if i get overwhelmed. If i have a route, i practice it.
>stage 2 boss has one difficult pattern, but i get one bomb before it, so i can plan a bomb here
>stage 3 owns me with the big planes, i try to not waste resources and get the 1up, 2 bombs is probably fine, the boss is probably 1-2 bombs.
>stage 4 requires aggressive play and likes to wall you, you can either plan bombs where you're having trouble or just try and keep up and bomb when needed. the Nightmares are good planned bombs, you have them ready and try to dodge shit.
>boss 4 you can try and clear, then see how far you get into stage 5
And then you try to execute this plan (easier said than done)
Savestates make you better faster, but you should do runs to see where you are inconsistent and then practice those. Creditfeeding and beating the game when it gets bored of you is ZERO FUN. I'm not good whatsoever but that doesn't make it any less fun.
>tl;dr getting good at the game is the game, you're doing it wrong

[Anonymous No.9119717]

>>9119649
people don't want to play, overcome, master a game, they want to get their dick sucked. When you start framing it like that, shit makes a lot more sense. in modern games
>the narrative sucks the player's dick and tells them they're a good boy and are playing art and are cool for playing this game, they're not some nerd, this is sophisticated shit, just like improv jazz is!
>the characters suck the player's dick and wow he's just like me, damn this is sooo coool
>the gameplay is there to suck the player's dick, oh my goood i'm so epiccc i press the button and then the character does a 20 minute cardio routine where sparks fly everywhere and man it's so awesomeee and epiccc
>the music complements the dick sucking well and fondles your boss while you do epic shit on screen with the occasional prostate ass fingering of audio cues or voice acted lines during your awesome epicness, i'm gonna cooom
>the graphics... do i even need to say it? What use are overly complex particle effects besides more stroke for your buck?
>the devs are a circlejerk of retards and marketeers treat the players as a "community" so they can perpetuate the collaborative fellatio into eternity, they're not piece of shit soulless corporation whores that will give you a suck of your dick for a cool 100 bucks + tip (the anal collector's edition package costs extra honey), they're your friends!
It's all very straightforward, honestly. The games aren't designed for the sake of being good, they're capeshit tier cum slip and slides, don't forget to get your picture at the booth afterwards!
People who grew up with this stuff can't understand any other concept being the crux of a game, since it's going to beat them into a pulp for being faggots and they can't fathom the idea of getting better at it.

>muh checkpoints
Same! Same! Same! has checkpoints, maybe he should try that one, lmao.

[Anonymous No.9119720]

>>9119087
Faggot

[Anonymous No.9121009]

>>9119717
>they want to get their dick sucked
I mean, so do I. But no 0101010 on a screen are gonna do that sadly.
you are definitely unto something though. The industry has turned into this theme-park designed to impress with cinematic shots and ease of use made for wagies who complain not having more than 30 minutes each night to be able to learn a game's system.

[Anonymous No.9121181]

>>9090464
one day i'll kill this fucker and get a 2-ALL

[Anonymous No.9121736]

>>9121009
exactly, it's all disneyland theme park rides where you go in, scream WOO for a few minutes and then get out and move on.
think of modern horror films, they all follow the paranormal activity formula, you look at your phone for 15 minutes and wait for an audio cue or something to look at the screen, you get a jumpscare of some retarded puppet or some shit and then look at your phone again, rinse and repeat until the movie ends with a final jumpscare of a spooky face, you get startled a bit, the theatre lights up, you laugh with your normie friends and then go do something else, ultimately getting nothing from the experience or being impacted in any way whatsoever, but the studio made 100 million spending 40k on production and fiming on cctv.
You know what is really baffling? that people think only modern games have good writing and gameplay, and before games were just silly children toys or proto-games or something, as if it was all a bunch of retards making stupid games for nerds until sanfran faggots came along and saved the day with diversity quotas and "current objective: kill hitler" popups.
I know a few people who've done those grownup daycare game design courses (at a convenient 4k bucks a semester no less) and they are all taught to just ignore old games besides pixel graphics and the usual memery, and to look at modern games only for storytelling, structure, UI, whatnot. When both consumers and devs don't actually know anything or care about games at all, you get the absolute state of Play we're seeing now. It's like games are made more for the 2 hour youtube video essay crowd than for actual players. And don't get me started on the indie crowd.
I really fucking hate modern games, I thought I did during the PS3 era, but oh my god do i hate them now. At least the japanese still have some sense left in them, but playing something from 20-30 years ago is still a better use of your time anyway.
i still like fromsoft shit tho

[Anonymous No.9122046]

Been playing through Drainus and enjoying it a fair bit, although I'm not a shmupfag so maybe it's not the type of stuff some of you prefer

[Anonymous No.9122065]

>>9090464

Blazing lazers, because it's an easy one.
Really chill until the fucking last stage that i never beat.

[Anonymous No.9122130]

so are we ever going to be able to play Aka&Blue Type R without paying like 8k+ for a board + EXA?
No, the iphone version does not count

Oh and i want to get a new PGM board and already have keksui, i'm torn between DDP DOJ and espgaluda, which are very different games but i imagine galuda to be more accessible but less replayable than something like dodonpachi, which is a lot more difficult and steep to learn for someone who can't still 1cc past 3-4 stages in a cave game.
What would you guys prefer?

[Anonymous No.9122145]

>>9122130
DOJ is a much better game and also harder even just in the first loop. Galuda really isn't hard and doesn't loop, it won't keep you busy for very long. Then there's scoring sure, but scoring a hard game like DOJ sounds more interesting than an easy game like Trannygaluda.

[Anonymous No.9122154]

>>9122145
i really do agree, although i'll probably get galuda anyway down the line because i like the artstyle and the music
i don't mind the characters changing sex during kakusei since cave said in an interview that it happens ONLY FOR VISUAL FLAIR AND NOTHING ELSE, so i don't have to get pissed off about those cancerous faggots infecting something else again

Man, i'd buy a galuda 2 board in a heartbeat though, no questions asked. It's a bit of a miracle game for me, top notch stuff. It's also probably namiki's finest hour (or among his finest) when it comes to his shmup soundtracks. Not the hardest game ever made, but it's fine.
On that note, does anyone still like Deathsmiles anymore? Besides for the cute and funny factor? I really can't get myself to like it. The sequel is not even worth discussing.

[Anonymous No.9122206]

>>9122154
Deathsmiles is very interesting. Its a hori shmup that doesnt play like most horis, I really appreciate the pacing… and the bosses are kind of funny hehe

[Anonymous No.9122528]

>>9098867
This is probably the best the snes has to offer. Also Space Megaforce/Super Aleste.

[Anonymous No.9122530]

Ok guys, shmup newbie here, ikaruga or radiant silvergun?

[Anonymous No.9122535]

>>9118982
Use savestates to practice the later levels, when you're good enough to beat them try a full run. Most shooters have level selects and practice modes these days.

[Anonymous No.9122565]

>>9122065
You need to collect the power-ups you can shoot to turn into a green orb. Everyone you collect stops an extend from taking you to a checkpoint. If you play well enough you'll have so many lives and extends that you can just tank through the final stage and boss with resources. I always liked that because it rewards strategy instead of only raw skill.

[Anonymous No.9122612]

>>9090464
Blazing lazers and Gleylancer
I've never made it passed the bubbles on BL and I can't make it past the boss after the wall of death on Gleylancer.
R-type is dope too.

[Anonymous No.9122619]

>>9122530
neither if those are gonna be your firsts since they play less like any other shmup around and more like a puzzle game you have to get good at specifically, the skills you'll get from those won't translate into other games, especially with ikaruga, less so with silvergun. If you're hellbent on those titles, silvergun is your best bet probably. I LOVE ikaruga, don't get me wrong, but you'll get good at that only and less so at 'shmups' in general.
just play the usual classic noob shmups (espgaluda, deathsmiles, etc), get particularly good at a harder one you really like or try some of the newer shit, there's some good stuff there, but that's no longer /vr/.
Hell, if you want something less conventional, why not give RayForce a try? It's good, it's not the hardest shmup in existence, and will get a shottriggers port soon if i'm not mistaken.

Or you can just play touhou endlessly and start there.

[Anonymous No.9122642]

>>9122530
Radiant Silvergun.
Know this: Both of these games are very different from the traditional shooter, Radiant Silvergun has a powerup system that's linked to your scoring and chaining.
Chaining is very strict in both games, in Radiant Silvergun you want to kill only one color of enemies or your chain will drop.

[Anonymous No.9122725]

Anyone ever played this shit? Any good?

[Anonymous No.9122940]

>>9122046
Drainus is just Gradius if it was good
I hope the team does more Shmups in the future, maybe a take on the R-Type or Darius style of sidescrolling gameplay

[Anonymous No.9122970]

>>9122565
Thanks for the tip, i admit that i never use any strategy in shmups, i just dodge bullets until there's too much shit on screen and die.

[Anonymous No.9122974]

>>9122940
>Drainus is just Gradius if it was good
Kill urself.

Also Spolous EX > Drainus as far as indieshit goes.

[Anonymous No.9122984]

I love Armed Police Batrider aesthetics, but needing 30+ credits to beat it makes me feel like poop.

[Anonymous No.9123269]

I bought pic related and am enjoying it.
It looks so good, especially playing in handheld mode on the switch and all the extra content has made me consider the other tengo remasters since they're going for like $15 each atm.
its cool that the original developers themselves are handling their own remasters, I wish it happened more.

[Anonymous No.9123325]

>>9091643
raystorm has such a good soundtrack

[Anonymous No.9123982]

Didn't play CC for a year and had webm related happen.

[Anonymous No.9124170]

>>9117681
>Genesis Darius
Well yeah the best one is G Darius anyway

[Anonymous No.9124179]

>>9098867

[Anonymous No.9124353]

>>9090464
Powerslave Exhumed. Runs beautifully, mostly enjoying it. The hitbox is way too big and the level layout and enemy placement can be "fuck you" levels of annoying though.

[Anonymous No.9124375]

>>9124353
that's not a shmup that's actually a good game with some level design and interesting mechanics, shmups genre has to lack anything good and fun

[Anonymous No.9124387]

>>9124375
My bad. I shall take the age old advice and lurk more.

[Anonymous No.9124446]

>>9124375
yeah because outzone isn't a thing you god damn rube

[Anonymous No.9124462]

>>9122984
are you using teams or did you turn on the dip switch to be able to play with a solo character? the team gimmick is fun but the characters are so unbalanced that you'll struggle to get a clear if you use one

[Anonymous No.9124483]

>>9124375
Drink poison.

[Anonymous No.9124485]

>>9124462
I can't find the dipswitch to play solo, is it only on a special rom?

[Anonymous No.9124536]

>>9123982
Yeah, that's the most dickish part of the game since it comes out of nowhere.

[Anonymous No.9125580]

>>9091643
>RayStorm by WD
You fucked up

[Anonymous No.9125681]

>>9125580
Just put it on easy and it's the same as the arcade.

[Anonymous No.9126295]

>>9124375

[Anonymous No.9126703]

>>9121736
>grownup daycare game design course
lmfao my fucking sides
speaking of from, sekiro is cinematic as fuck in it's bossfights thanks to how tightly designed the combat system is and not because of forced camera angles and/or gimmicks, ER on the other hand didn't hold my attention for more than a few hours for some reason.
>>9122206
>>9122154
deathsmiles is great
>>9122940
i will never not confuse the two of them.
>>9123982
oof yeah we've all been there, but hey atleast you get some nice parachuting tanks to cheer you up (￣▽￣)

also just got raiden IV overkill on steam since it was dirt-cheap and going to get pulled. What the fuck is going on with all those little fuckers that rush in to the bottom of the screen at your sides and shoot you from there? is that raiden's™?

[Anonymous No.9126726]

>>9126703
>ER on the other hand didn't hold my attention for more than a few hours for some reason.
I could tell from the first gameplay trailer that it probably wasn't gonna top Sekiro for me either. I felt like I was watching a trailer for Souls Megamix and it definitely kinda feels like that's what we got, with a little bit of Breath of the Wild mixed in.
I'm determined to beat it and I've had a lot of fun playing it (I've played like 60 hours), but I got to an area that kinda just feels like a palette swap of the first area and realized I was burnt out enough on it to put it back on the shelf for now.

[Anonymous No.9127103]

>>9124353
that' games actually good though, not a shmup technically an FPS, explains a lot

>>9090464
how do you define shmups? i mean the genre died a long time ago so it's kinda of up in the air

[Anonymous No.9127123]

>>9126703
I've heard as much from other people about ER, and i kind of see why. Not like i'm going to play it anytime soon and i'm not really compelled to try it anyway. They haven't one-upped themselves after sekiro, so i might as well just grind out something else until they top it.
Why anyone would want to play anything other than saturn-era RPGs is beyond me anyway. I'm still waiting on that wachenroder translation but once it's out i really have no reason to give a shit about new games anymore. I'm at a point in my life where i don't want to get new consoles anymore because of the cost and the doubt i'll get my money's worth in use out of them, but i don't mind dumping hundreds on single-game arcade boards (pic). If someone were to ask me, "would you rather buy a switch + games or a boxed neogeo Viewpoint boxed cart with instructions-" they wouldn't be able to finish their question because i'd be already jamming to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWcne8zap5g
Speaking of which, does gals panic S series count as a shmup? You're dodging shit after all.
Yeah, i'm going to say it counts.

>>9126726
>Souls Megamix
that's a very good way to put it. Shit's unbalanced as wack from what i can tell. And yeah, they peaked with sekiro. I'd be hard pressed to remember a more engaging and fun combat system in even not-so-recent memory. It's their only game i got to ng+3 and it's still fun even though you start noticing you have more tools at your disposal than enemies to use them on.
Ah, now i'm craving some 3D ninja gaiden or some shinobi. That was some good shit.

>>9127103
If you shoot and dodge, it's a shmup
>the genre died a long time ago
you can't be any more wrong. If anything we're in the middle of a reinassance. We get ports, we get exa arcadia releases, we finally got the SDOJ ROM a few months ago, we're getting really nice doujin stuff, touhou is a thing, the genre is more popular than it has been for a decade. Shmup mechanics are popular in new games too.

[Anonymous No.9127238]

>>9126703
>What the fuck is going on with all those little fuckers that rush in to the bottom of the screen at your sides and shoot you from there? is that raiden's™?
Raiden is heavily inspired by Toaplan's military shmups like Twin Cobra, Tiger Heli, Fire Shark, Flying Shark and Twin Hawk. This kind of bullshit is expected.

[Anonymous No.9127690]

>>9091394
>Just played Einhander emulated on Duckstation, you can really brush up the graphics and make it look incredible.
I just gave it a try the other day, looks pretty but some shots seem to glitch slightly with the enhancements on.
On the other hand Sanvein looks incredible with everything on, if we're counting omni-directionals.

[Anonymous No.9127696]

>>9127123
yeah i've never bought a new gen console. The only console I ever bought was a ps2 on 2012
>wachenroder
>raiden fighters 2
> gals panic S
seems i've got new games to check out, thanks anon.
>>9126726
as far as souls-like go I got hooked on nioh 2 which absolutely destroyed ER for me. I should try 3d ninja gaiden sometime too considering it's from the same studio.
>>9127238
aww too bad. In between those little fellas and bullet's visibility/speed I'm getting filtered like the scrub I am.

[Anonymous No.9127738]

mostly jarpigs.

[Anonymous No.9127783]

>>9127696
raiden fighters is SO FUCKING GOOD
it was supposed to be a new IP by seibu but they decided they'd make more money by using the raiden name in its title, so they did just that. It plays NOTHING like raiden and if you're going for score, most of the techniques involve uncovering a lot of hidden secrets around the stages. Make sure to read the guides (http://rf-emporium.ghegs.com/rf2/)) . There's 3 games in the series and they're probably up there in terms of best shmups ever made.
I really like the music too. It gets your blood going, game's super intense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M5xt61WDrs

>wachenroder
it's a steampunk rpg for sega saturn with designs by the lain guy (among others). Enough said.

>gals panic
it's a fun but kinda janky puzzle game with some shmups elements. Your reward for clearing stages is getting to see half naked ladies. Yes, it's one of my favorite games, how could you tell?

>nioh
my nigga. first one kicked ass but suffered from "we only have 5 enemies" syndrome, sans the boss battles. Kinda wanna pick up 2.
>3rd ninja gaiden
don't bother... it's "okay" but it's not really ninja gaiden and it has QTEs. If you want a souls like that was from before souls times just play some mother fucking Maximo. If you want something similar shinobi/nightshade on ps2 is kino. If you want something more weird and obscure... uh... maybe nanobreaker?

[Anonymous No.9127802]

>>9127783
meant 3d ninja gaiden as i never played them. yeah 3 and razor's are considered quite shite
>nioh
yup the first game gets good at the last third, dlcs, abyss and ng+. the second one starts good and just keeps getting better. you still have that fight the same enemies around the same assetts but its much less offensive now.
allright i'll add maximo/shinobi/nightshade/nanobreaker to the list. I've also got blade of darkness to give a try too
have you played brightis? some anon shilled the shit out of it on here like a year ago and I downloaded the rom but never actually played it heh
also. fuck progear's high-pitched metallic sound whenever you pick up those rings/jewels, it completely overpowers the rest of the game's sounds and is annoying as shit. what the fuck where they thinking?

[Anonymous No.9127834]

>>9127802
3d ninja gaiden is dope, i wholeheartedly agree. I've not played brightis but it is now on my list, thank you very much. Action RPGs are quite the best, honestly. If you haven't tried Ys, you probably should. Both the master system versions and the 3D ones have something to offer, it's quite a good series.
Have fun with those games i recommended. Maximo is probably one of my absolute favorites for the PS2, even nowadays it's very refreshing. There's a sequel that's also good but plays differently and a 3rd game was supposed to be made to finish up the trilogy, but it got cancelled before they could because capcom. Nanobreaker is odd but good. shinobi is a classic and nightshade is the sequel where you play as a hot chick.
And yes, the progear thing is true. In general, progear's pretty lacking in the audio department. The music isn't half as good as some other of their titles. Definitely not my favorite CAVE shmup, even though as far as the gameplay goes it's still pretty solid.

[Anonymous No.9128179]

>>9127783
holy fucking shit you were not kidding, I just downloaded raiden fighters 1,2,jet and cotton.

Tried rf1 so far and it absolutely mogs raiden IV. the visuals are on point, bullets are fast but visible, I didn't spot many of those little cheeky bastards that rush in to the bottom.

plus the OST is insanely good, the only thing lacking to be a perfect game would be parachuting tanks.

[Anonymous No.9128338]

>>9128179
i know right? raiden feels like an outright downgrade compared to fighters. It's super good, and there's a surprising variety of ships to choose from. And that's from the default settings, you can get secret ships via inputting codes on the start screen (they're on that website i posted earlier), you can play as miclus, or as one of the slave ships you get as powerups, or even mk2 versions of the ships you normally use. It's fucking great. Jet is probably the best in the series, depending on your performance you get different stage progression and if you can nomiss all but the final two stages you get to fight one of the dopest and hardest TLBs in shmups ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imU7gWvXI6c

FYI the games have a 360 port. This may be relevant to some, but afaik the mame versions play just fine if you setup the slowdown properly

[Anonymous No.9128642]

>>9127783
>It plays NOTHING like raiden
damn I should actually play it in this case, sounds fun

[Anonymous No.9128714]

>>9123982
There's a invisible force keeping you from the bottom, it will move your ship up. Did you move against it?

[Anonymous No.9128895]

>>9128642
yeah, it was supposed to be called GUN DOGS but got changed at the last minute and they added the raiden ships as a tie-in. In the end it worked but years later people look at the title and think "ah fuck not another god damn raiden, no thanks", which is understandable.
It also has a cool grazing mechanic. Your hitbox is big and you move fast as fuck but if you let bullets touch your wings, you get lots of points. For scoring, most bosses you don't almost want to damage them, but learn their patterns and setup safespots so you can graze as much as possible and time them out that way until time's almost up and then finish them with a charged shot (some even give you iframes while charging or shooting, it's fun as fuck). Shooting parts down at the same time gives you more score also. And, choosing a different ship means different game routes on rf2, not so sure about 1.
Or, if you die in stage 1 you get more tanks on stage 2 to protect with your possibly planned bomb. Game's full of secrets and weird things. It's really sad it's so overlooked. It's hard as hell (you get ZERO EXTENDS) but your ship is so powerful this is a problem only if you're scoring, so whatever your level of play is, it's engaging. Besides, if you're not going for score just use a slave variant ship, it's got a small as fuck hitbox, you move fast as hell, grazing is a nightmare but as a trade-off you'll have an easier time overall and they're pretty much just as powerful.

Oh and the 2 player mode? you can stack up both ships and use your charged shot in unison for invulnerability to BOTH ships during charge and release, and your ship's attacks get COMBINED and you get cool hybrid combo shots to play around with. It's one of those few games where having a second player isn't a hindrance for high level play or just plain fun. Comes with a boss rush mode too during screen select, because why the fuck not.
It's quite the fucking game, very varied and you can choose how you wanna play it.