/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9570085]

Do you guys remember Pinball Machines?

[Anonymous No.9570089]

for me its medieval madness

[Anonymous No.9570093]

>>9570085
Was just screwing around with VPX tables yesterday. There's even more stuff out there now.

[Anonymous No.9570120]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQPGtzmStq4

[Anonymous No.9570152]

>>9570085
I'm pretty good at Addams Family on Pinball Arcade. I can get over a billion on a good game but a thousand nobodies have maxed out the score because it's piss easy. That's why I don't consider myself skilled. The machine at the arcade has weak flippers so it's practically unplayable.

[Anonymous No.9570153]

>>9570085
I don't have to remember. My favorite arcade set up a pinball room and they threw a few light gun games in there too.

[Anonymous No.9570631]

>train with pinball simulator to git gud
>finally test out a machine
>the physics are absolutely nothing like the simulator, lose immediately

[Anonymous No.9570704]

>>9570085
is pinball strictly timing based or can you finesse button presses?

[Anonymous No.9570713]

>>9570704
It's about hitting targets. The speed depends on the angle of the table which can be adjusted. If it's steeper then the ball moves faster. You want to hit it into the right slots to activate segments of the game and complete what are basically missions and form a high score.

[Anonymous No.9571136]

>>9570093
Is that the best virtual pinball program?

[Anonymous No.9571254]

>>9570089
The medieval madness machine at the bar near me is never leveled properly so the starting roll once you get out of the jets has like a 50% chance of going directly into the drain.

It's not bullshit. I've gotten multiple high scores on other tables.

[Anonymous No.9571256]

>>9571136
Yes.

[Anonymous No.9571267]

Pretty weird how Zen Studios went from focusing on purely-digital pinball tables to now handling a bunch of Williams/Bally tables as well.

[Anonymous No.9571268]

>>9570085
There are a ton of those retro video game hipster bars around me that have walls of pinball games. As a kid I thought they were ok but never really got into them, mainly because I don't know how to introduce any actual skill into it. It's always like

>hit ball when it's on a paddle
>earn a few points
>watch ball plunge directly down the middle of the table into the gutter
>repeat

I know there's a whole level of pinball mastery that involves tilting the tables (but not to where you get a tilt error) and stuff like that, but it has always been completely lost on me. It's just buttons and lost quarters.

[Anonymous No.9571270]

>Jersey Jack tables

I don't know how anyone can enjoy this shit. Horrible theming. Atrocious playfield. Always cost a premium

[Anonymous No.9571274]

>>9571268
I get the most results from holding the ball in the corner of the flipper, then letting go so it's easier to aim your shot as it rolls down

[Anonymous No.9571283]

>>9571270
"dude screen lmao"
even Stern started doing screens to compete with them
Funny to think about when you consider screens killed off the previous top-dog of Pinball

[Anonymous No.9571295]

>>9571267
there's probably more money in recreating real tables

[Anonymous No.9571310]

>>9571295
Maybe, but they had a ton of licensed digital tables

[Anonymous No.9571312]

>>9571274
I do that too sometimes, but it just doesn't help when the ball is perfectly centered on the table and taking a plunge like a shit launched from an airplane.

[Anonymous No.9571314]

>>9571312
Sometimes that can be due to the table being tilted too much

[Anonymous No.9571375]

>>9570085
The arcade i usually go to had the roller coaster tycoon version, i loved it, but they removed it zome years ago, rip

[Anonymous No.9571420]

>>9571375
Oh that was designed by Pat Lawlor who a lot of people consider one of the greats in pinball design

[Anonymous No.9571539]

I have a Williams Taxi machine in my basement, have had it pretty much my whole life. The first time I came to this board was to look for a pinball thread. There used to be a general but it's long gone.

[Anonymous No.9571767]

>>9571267
When will Zen Studios recreate the Twilight Zone table or ST:TNG?

[Anonymous No.9572091]

>>9570704
I'm not sure what you mean.
Each flipper is either activated or not at any one instant, but there are some techniques where quick presses matter, like pic related.

The important techniques of pinball are divided into:

Aiming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7H19SHkXE
Nudging
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeRcCbNNTeU
And ball control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_h0FPhjuaI

See here for a list of techniques:
https://www.deadflip.com/tutorials

[Anonymous No.9572107]

>>9571254
If you hold the left flipper on the plunge you can go for a super skillshot, which may have a better feed to the flippers. If you don't understand what I'm talking about, here:

http://pinball.org/rules/medievalmadness.html

>>9571268
It's actually called nudging, not tilting. Nudging is nudging, tilting is when you nudge too much.
There's also flipper skills, if you don't want to learn how to nudge you can lengthen your ball times a lot with just aiming and ball control stuff.

[Anonymous No.9572118]

New pinball releases:
James Bond (see pic related)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbFUzEptvfY

James Bond collectors edition (retro playfield layout, highly shortpacked, meant to be collectible)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdhayCr0l7I

Scooby Doo (first widebody from spooky)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFUe5j36UGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feNL8zCWWTA

Toy Story 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEIXOohp7BY

Weird Al
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atgsSeL_KSY

[Anonymous No.9572135]

>>9570085
Yes. But all I ever did was mindlessly flail away at the flipper buttons. I never knew anything strategic.

[Anonymous No.9572140]

HOW TO GET GOOD AT PINBALL (optional, but helpful for getting more gametime for your quarters)

How to find pinball and pinball tournaments in your area:
US, Canada, Australia, Japan, Finland, UK
https://pinballmap.com/
Worldwide:
https://pinside.com/pinball/map
Europe:
https://findapinball.com/en/browse/

Tournaments:
Depending on where you live, there may be a facebook group for players in your area.
You can also find tournaments near you here and here:
https://www.ifpapinball.com/calendar/
https://matchplay.events/live

Pinball Simulators that will give you a free virtual pin or two as a sample:
Pinball Fx 3 (Sorcerer's Lair, Fish Tales)
Zaccaria (Time Machine)
Pinball Arcade (Varies weekly or something)
There's also Visual Pinball, which is a freeware pinball simulator.

How to become Good at Pinball (wholly optional):
https://www.deadflip.com/tutorials/ (techniques in gif form)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-WQLGFMr97DnxeE1Rmi-wAwa-Vm7D-7i

There are many scam pinball retailer websites. See here for more information:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/beware-of-scam-game-seller-websites

[Anonymous No.9572151]

>>9570631
Same. I felt like I had shamed my ancestors

[Anonymous No.9572189]

>>9571268
>As a kid I thought they were ok but never really got into them, mainly because I don't know how to introduce any actual skill into it
Same, I didn't really getvinto pinball until more recently when I got hooked on Pokemon Pinball on GBA.

[Anonymous No.9572472]

Remember? I play them every day!

[Anonymous No.9572568]

>>9570704
It's both but it varies from table to table for certain shots.

[Anonymous No.9572578]

>>9570631
In a pinball sim the table is more or less at "perfect condition" where as real tables have oddities like worn out spots on a playfield and bumpers will have variable strengths and even the flippers can be weak or strong or even slightly off. Not to mention if the playfield is more shallow or deeper and if the table is even level

[Anonymous No.9572582]

>>9571270
Any classic pin > Jersey Jack >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Modern Sterns

They just don't make 'em like they used to.

[Anonymous No.9572663]

>>9572582
This is a sentiment that has become much less popular during the "Elwin Era" of Stern pins. So I must ask, how do you feel about:

Iron Maiden: LotB
Jurassic Park
Avengers Infinity Quest
Godzilla

(and also recent Gomez hits like Deadpool and, if you've had the chance to play it, Bond).

[Anonymous No.9572761]

I dunno why, but for a few brief short months, my dad had a Dr Dude pinball machine in the basement. I think he was storing it for someone. No joke.

[Anonymous No.9572791]

>>9571312
That's when shaking the cabinet comes into play. You have to find the limit to when the tilt sensor trips, and work within that.

[Anonymous No.9572813]

>>9570631
I wish people understood that emulation just doesn't work for retro games.

[Anonymous No.9572819]

>>9571767
Maybe we'll hear about those closer to the full Feb release

[Anonymous No.9572823]

>>9572118
oh yeah I forgot modern tables have software updates now

[Anonymous No.9572830]

>>9572813
I wish you'd stop sniffing my butt haha

[Anonymous No.9572875]

>>9570085
I tried playing some at this hipster retro arcade bar in my city. I wasn't impressed. Probably a skill issue. It's cool how they're themed after franchises, but no matter what game all it comes down to is hitting the ball at a certain location.

[Anonymous No.9573047]

>>9570085
Community college has a Star Trek machine set up for free use. I play the shit out of it while waiting for class to start.

[Anonymous No.9573404]

>>9572875
I think there's more to the tables than that, especially if you're aiming for the "Wizard Mode"

[Anonymous No.9573602]

>>9572761

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY96XznfRyk

[Anonymous No.9573885]

>>9573602
That table's whole soundtrack is great
https://youtu.be/CK9-J8YtwMA

[Anonymous No.9574742]

>>9572118
I was going to get my first table as Godzilla, but now I am wondering if I should scrap that plan and get a Scooby table instead. I have played Godzilla and it is insanely fun, but that Scooby table looks dope too.

[Anonymous No.9574780]

>>9572663
Not him, but Gomez is past his prime. Last game I liked of his is Batman 66 and even then it definitely wasn't Elwin tier. Elwin has been carrying Stern hard.

[Anonymous No.9575168]

What is the most complex pinball board ever made?

[Anonymous No.9575657]

>>9574742
Apparently the Scooby table is underselling.
Personally I would just get one of those virtual machines.

[Anonymous No.9575658]

>>9575168
A lot of people would point to Twilight Zone for that.
After the massive success of the addams family pinball (still considered the best selling machine of all time) Pat Lawlor was basically given full creative control over his next table and he jammed it full of stuff.

[Anonymous No.9575680]

>>9572875
All videogames come down to is hitting buttons at the right time.

This is what you sound like.

[Anonymous No.9575696]

>>9575168
The thing is that a lot of pinball machines are known for complex rules. In other words, the game's code is very long and complex. That's discussed as much or more than playfield complexity.

Here's an unproduced prototype called The Pinball Circus which would take the record for playfield complexity, I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_VbCFahRiE

A startup said they wanted to make some at some point after they make a different prototype called Kingpin, but the Kingpin project has stalled.

[Anonymous No.9575698]

>>9575696
Wasn't Pinball Circus done as a way to recycle old arcade cabinets?

[Anonymous No.9575724]

>>9575698
I've never heard that, but it's possible. I think you may be thinking of something else though.

[Anonymous No.9575725]

>>9575658
By the way, I think there's an argument to be made that JJP Pirates of the Caribbean has a more bountiful playfield.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN7_5Dnukro

[Anonymous No.9575738]

>>9575725
well there's more to complexity than just the playfield

[Anonymous No.9575740]

>>9575724
There's also Varkon which was a similar idea and kept more of the original cabinet

[Anonymous No.9575753]

>>9570085
/vr/ is to young to remember anything but youtubes of pinball machines.

[Anonymous No.9575840]

>>9570085
I have a monster bash in my basement. Im told its worth like 20 grand

[Anonymous No.9575883]

>>9575840
https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/monster-bash

More like 9000 dollars. It was remade so it's not that rare anymore.

[Anonymous No.9575913]

>>9571283
Pinball 2000 didn't kill off Williams, it was a last roll of the dice from a company already on its last legs

[Anonymous No.9575916]

>>9575883
Have you ever bought a house?

[Anonymous No.9575954]

>>9575913
They were dying because nobody was buying their new tables so Pinball 2000 was their attempt to innovate hard.

[Anonymous No.9576009]

>>9575916
I have not.

[Anonymous No.9576286]

>>9573885
>That table's whole soundtrack is great

For whatever reason, I remember Dr Dude's sunglasses on the marquee. also being the 'tilt' sign, and they would light up red, and even do so when the game is idle. his head mirror is the bell and it would ring.

[Anonymous No.9576335]

I shed a tear for pinball arcade being gutted every once in a while.

[Anonymous No.9576403]

They're fun to repair, too.
I'm not too much into the LCD pinballs, they take way too much time away from the playfield and serve little purpose. I prefer DMD, they're more concise.

[Anonymous No.9576515]

>>9575696
God damn look at all those chutes

[Anonymous No.9576529]

>>9576403
Damn i'm jealous that you have a Judge Dredd table. It's probably one of my favourite tables to play. How's the crane and Deadworld holding up for you? Not giving you any problems I hope

[Anonymous No.9576574]

>>9576529
I'm sure you'll find a good Dredd table in the future, they're pretty overlooked (just like Johnny Mnemonic). Got mine for 2000€, a couple of years ago.
Never had a problem with the crane or deadworld. I don't plan on buying the "original" deadworld ring.
Trickiest thing I had to do was remove the ram chip to put an NVram, so I could get rid of the batteries. Leaking batteries slighty damaged my dad's pinball (Banzai Run) so I'm getting rid of them whenever I can.

[Anonymous No.9576709]

>>9576335
Aren't the Pinball FX 3 recreations meant to be better?
also you can easily play all the tables with creamapi

[Anonymous No.9576754]

>>9576574
>just like Johnny Mnemonic
Fun Fact: That Table's designer was invited to an advance screening of the film because the crew were so thrilled to have a pinball machine based on it, and he hated the film so much he wanted to cancel the table immediately

[Anonymous No.9576970]

>>9576754
I didn't know that, thanks for the story.

[Anonymous No.9576980]

>>9576754
I didn't know that, thanks for the story.
(had to delete the previous post, the pic was flipped)

[Anonymous No.9577201]

>>9575954
Yes, that is pretty much what I said and your post is redundant

[Anonymous No.9577207]

>>9577201

[Anonymous No.9577336]

I've turned an iPad pinball controller into a Switch pinball controller and installed a mini amp and Dayton Audio puck transducer/bass shaker for playing Pinball FX3. It works pretty well.

[Anonymous No.9577339]

>>9577336
Not bad.
Wonder how well the new Pinball FX is gonna run on Switch though. Maybe there's a reason the Switch port is coming after all the others.

[Anonymous No.9577546]

>>9576709
I don't really like zen's physics last I checked and I hate the petty censorship to some tables like theater of magic.

[Anonymous No.9577554]

>>9577339
There's some clever tricks you can do with pinball games with individual 2d layering due to being at mostly fixed angles. Pinball Arcade does it all the time.

[Anonymous No.9577648]

>>9575657
Might as well just play pinball fx.

But yeah, Scooby appears to be underselling. It's a shame because it looks really fun, but spooky's reputation hasn't been built up enough yet and they refuse to show more gameplay. I haven't gotten the chance to play previous spooky games, but I heard Halloween was quite divisive. Despite this, Spooky seems to be doing well enough to triple its building size to expand operations. Maybe this means I can pick up a cheap Scooby table though.

[Anonymous No.9578016]

Adams family is the only pin I have played where the game tries to literally blind you if you are doing well.

[Anonymous No.9578034]

>literally got banned before for asking which classic tables available in modern games are best, but apparently it's fine now.
Okay, lol.
I like Blackrose, which is super sick because it has a working cannon as part of the table. What else should I try?

[Anonymous No.9578105]

>>9578016
lolwat

[Anonymous No.9578160]

>>9578105
I was playing one recently and the brightest light I have ever seen in pinball started flashing in my eyes once I got a multiball.

[Anonymous No.9578417]

>>9578034
>Blackrose
Patrician taste, anon.
You should try No Good Gofers.

[Anonymous No.9578424]

>>9578160
If you think that's bad try leaving the basement during the day

[Anonymous No.9578442]

>>9575696
>>9576980
these are really cool. why isn't there more innovation in the pinball sphere? based on what ive seen and played it seems like tables have been more or less the same over the last 3 decades. why not a double wide table? or something with double the physical depth. the only thing i can think of is that the more mechanically complex the machine is, the more likely it is to break and the more difficult it is to fix

[Anonymous No.9578523]

>>9578442
>tables have been more or less the same over the last 3 decades
because pinball nearly died its death at the turn of the century, it's safer to stick to the tried and true formula with only small incremental innovations (like colour screens and various other minor gimmickry that don't deviate too much from the traditional pinball experience). The history of pinball is littered with attempts at "innovation" that fell flat on their arses, pic very related.

[Anonymous No.9578525]

>>9578442
>>9578523
Yup, innovations tend to fail.
While some wanted pinballs as wide as pool table, Lawlor created a mini-pinball, with a goose game on the front panel. It was time-based: you had no balls limit, the game would keep giving it back to you until you ran out of time, and you had to complete objectives to get extra time. It was really fun, and it completely failed.

[Anonymous No.9578526]

>>9578034
The somewhat rare Jersey Jack Pinball Pirates of the Caribbean pinball machine also has a cannon. You shoot the ball onto the mini-playfield pirate ship that rocks back and forth, and then you load the ball into the cannon. You have to time your shot with the rocking of the ship to get the ball into the hole on the ship on the other side of the playfield. Otherwise it takes multiple shots to get to multiball.

>>9578442
The P3 system by multimorphic is the most innovative thing going on right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad_69jYEW_k

Apart from that, I think the advent of achievements in pinball is pretty cool. Look into Stern Insider Connected achievements and Scorbit achievements if you don't know what I'm talking about.

As far as double wide tables... those exist. They're called widebodies. They're not twice as wide, but they're wider than normal. If they were twice as wide as standard that would be too wide, I think. For reasons that I'm too tired to attempt to explain.

See pic related for an example of a widebody pinball machine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VQnxmZZer0

[Anonymous No.9578543]

>>9578526
I don't think most people took notice of P3 until they announced that Weird Al table.

[Anonymous No.9578545]

>>9578523
oh yeah that table was so big it used a pool ball

[Anonymous No.9578556]

>>9570089
For me its attack from Mars.

[Anonymous No.9578574]

>>9578442
>>9578526
Other recent innovations:

Small:
The Stranger Things pinball machine has UV lights and stuff that you can only see when the UV lights are on.
The Stranger Things pin premium has a projector in the lockdown bar.
Co-op mode.
The new topper for the Cactus Canyon remake is a minigame unto itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJpafdJIM50
The diverter-flipper hybrid on the upper playfield of Scooby Doo
The magnet lock on Cosmic Cart Racing and the crane on Heist (more advanced than previous pinball cranes)

[Anonymous No.9578794]

>>9578526
>The P3 system by multimorphic is the most innovative thing going on right now.
> this fucking shit in pic related
> most innovative
you need to stop smoking meth, because reducing most of the pinball element to under 1/3 of the table to accommodate a fucking screen is not "innovative". it's incredibly lazy and looks absolutely awful. there is no pinball fan on earth that would enjoy playing this shit.

[Anonymous No.9579687]

Hey dudes quick question. Uncle has 4 pinball in his basement. They've been sitting there (covered with a tarp) for years. How much are they worth.

One is a Dodge Viper themed Pinball

Another is a Pac Man pin ball but it's not in the shape of a normal pinball machine. It looks more like an arcade machine.

3rd is something called Varkon. It looks like an old arcade cab. Not a pinball flat table.

The last is a Star Trek Pinball.

Again they haven't been used in years. They been sitting in his basement for about 20 years unused. But look to be good condition. The paint isn't falling off or anything. He just covered them with a tarp and the basement turned into a storage unit. But we're finally cleaning it out.

Can I plug them in? Will such old machines have problems if I just plug them back in after many years or not being used?

What would be the best way to sell them?

[Anonymous No.9579752]

>>9579687
about tree fiddy

[Anonymous No.9579794]

>>9579687
>Can I plug them in?
Why, yes. Especially if you're looking for an alternative way to heat your home.
>Will such old machines have problems if I just plug them back in after many years or not being used?
Probably. But there are just a couple of things to check. Remove the backglass, open the front panel, and find the batteries. Acid is most likely leaking from them straight down on the motherboard.
Also check out the fuses (also in the panel). Just make sure they all work, if needed replace them BUT respect the manual. Don't put slow blow in fast blow and vice versace.
>What would be the best way to sell them?
Keep them.
>Varkon
Am I being trolled?

[Anonymous No.9579907]

>>9579794
>Am I being trolled?
Says the guy earnestly responding to a post that begins with "Hey dudes"

[Anonymous No.9579939]

>>9579907
Please be patient with me.

[Anonymous No.9580525]

>>9578794
The screen tracks the positions of the ball though. So you can do stuff like this:
https://youtu.be/66WGw-q_3Yg?t=6470

[Anonymous No.9580550]

>>9579687
Pinside has a price guide on each page which is usually pretty accurate, but the price guide is for working pinball machines. You can still get some money for battery damaged pins though.

https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/viper-night-drivin
(control f estimated value)

There were only 90 units of Varkon made, so you could sell that for a nice chunk of change even if it's in bad condition. Maybe even 10,000 USD for the right buyer?
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/archive?s=1&radius_latitude=&radius_longitude=&keywords=&ad_machine_key=522&ad_condition=0&machine_type=&ad_machine_manuf=&year_from=&year_to=&radius_distancekm=0&sort_by=ad_end_date&sort_order=DESC#results

Don't plug them in.

Which Star Trek pinball? There were 4.

[Anonymous No.9580591]

>>9580550
Thanks for the info, In my uncles stuff I also found this weird old Nintendo cartridge that looks painted gold and says something about World Championships on it, is it worth anything? The guy at the pawn shop said he'd give 50 bucks for it which sounds like a pretty sweet deal.

[Anonymous No.9580595]

>>9570089
Ya this one, terminator and some glam rock band ones too

There's more now I still haven't played

[Anonymous No.9580661]

>>9571767
probably hard to get the rights to those

[Anonymous No.9580684]

>>9580591
Alright, alright.

[Anonymous No.9580803]

VR pinball is amazingly lifelike. All the pinsim machines people make for thousands can be replaced with an HMD, gyro sensor, some buttons, and a table.

[Anonymous No.9581298]

>>9580550
Thanks for the information. My uncle was into pinball in the 1980s and somewhat in the 1990s. He bought some machines from bars and arcade places that were closing down. He never paid full price. He just got lucky and bought them used in the 80s. So he's been the only owner for decades . He says he has few other in storage. I'm helping him clean out his house.

>There were only 90 units of Varkon made, so you could sell that for a nice chunk of change even if it's in bad condition. Maybe even 10,000 USD for the right buyer?

90 units? That's interesting. But I gotta ask. $10K or more? Really? I mean is that just cause retro games are spiking in value recently because of scalpers? Like pokemon cards suddenly being worth hundreds if not thousands of dollars? Hard to believe. Seems like a bubble.

I mean I've seen a graded super Mario 64 go for $1 million at auction. Do they grade pinball machines? I don't really believe this stuff is worth tens of thousands and that's the real value.

A grading company could say a sealed mint condition Super Mario 64 is worth $1 million, but will someone actually pay that much for it? I hear all these stories about expensive games and stuff but the buyers market for them has got to be tiny. Who will buy it?

>Which Star Trek pinball? There were 4.
I will have to go back and double check and get back to you. I remember it's based on an early Star Trek one though. Not the recent stuff.

[Anonymous No.9581360]

>>9580803
Do programs like Visual Pinball have VR support?

[Anonymous No.9581439]

>>9579687
Bruh, your uncle has a BABY PAC MAN?

What the fuck. Those are very rare. I meant umm... I'll give you $1000 for it.

[Anonymous No.9581446]

>>9581298
Provide a real photo of this stuff then I'll believe you dickwad

[Anonymous No.9581457]

>>9581439
>Baby Pac Man
I don't understand what the issue is here. According to the website anon showed, 7000 Baby Pac man's were made. You people realize that these machines werent always collectors items? At one point they were just normal common machines. Especially in the 1980s.

[Anonymous No.9581460]

>>9581457
And how many are still playable and in circulation and in good condition today?

[Anonymous No.9581459]

>>9581457
Yeah and on that website it says the value of a Baby Pac Man machine is only about $1850 - $2150

[Anonymous No.9581465]

>Gonna head to a Pinball place in London soon
https://pinside.com/pinball/map/where-to-play/10960-pinball-republic-london-england
Is this a good selection?

[Anonymous No.9581484]

>>9581460
My uncles isn't in playable condition either. It's been sitting doing nothing for 15 to 20 years. What's your point?

[Anonymous No.9581515]

>>9581460
Isn't that the fault of people not taking care of their machines? 7000 is a good amount of units produced

[Anonymous No.9581656]

>>9581457
I'm the anon who posted the pinside link and I would have guessed Baby Pac Man was rarer and more expensive than it is, based on how odd it is. I was a little surprised they're only worth 2000 bucks. I've heard they're hard to keep in good condition, but I dunno.

>>9581298
I don't know how much the Varkon being in bad condition would drive the price down, but the pinball market's been going up recently, much to the eternal dismay of the old-timers. Ultimately, unlike a mint condition charizard or whatever, I don't think anyone knows what the expected price is for a varkon with a (probably) destroyed motherboard is, because they rarely change hands. As you can see from the pinside archive below, there hasn't been any varkon classified ads since 2018, and the market's gone up since then.

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/archive

Here's the archive of sales on pinside. Type any game name into the "keyword" box on the left.

There's currently one guy in California (he says he's willing to travel) who says he's interested in buying a Varkon in any condition, as you can see here:
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/145667

[Anonymous No.9581669]

>>9581465
Looks like a great selection!
I just checked and a lot of pinball machines there seem to have scorbitron units, so if you want you can make a scorbit account. The advantage to doing this is that when you play a game you can connect to it with your phone and your phone will log your scores to your account, as well as posting them to the relevant leaderboards. Some games have achievements with scorbit, but none of the ones there do.

There's also a lot of Stern games they have that you could get achievements by making a Stern Insider Connected account and then scanning your accounts QR code in the game. I can't tell which of their stern games if any are connected to stern insider connected, because the SIC website seems to be down. The achievements are very fun in my opinion. More variety than just going after score. You can check out the list of achievements for each game on the Stern website, I think you might have to make an account first.
https://insider.sternpinball.com/insider

They have Stern Godzilla, and that one at least definitely has the QR code scanner, but it might not be connected to the internet for all I know.

Even if the map on the stern website doesn't list them as being insider connected it's possible they are, for reasons I'm a little too tired to go into

[Anonymous No.9581670]

>>9581515
By this logic Action Comics #1 should be worth $2 cus there were thousands of them made. It's the fault of all the original owners who lost their copies or damaged them or threw them out, right? The good condition copies shouldn't be worth more just cus they looked after them!!

Retard.

[Anonymous No.9581774]

>>9581298
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/varkon-club/page/3#post-6628631

Found this post saying he was offered 20k for a restored Varkon (aka a Varkon in very good condition), so 10K for a bad one seems increasingly possible.
The hype thing with sealed videogames is sort of a separate issue from anything going on with pinball. The arcade buying world and the collectible videogame buying world are two different worlds. Even the arcade world and pinball world are kind of different.

There was a pinball auction in California that was covered in the NYT where a bunch of pins were sold to various uninformed people on the internet for way more than they would typically go for, but that's just typical for any auction, I think. But aside from that, new and used pinball prices have been going up, and not in any illusory way.

Part of the reason Varkon is valuable, apart from rarity, is that people like the gameplay and theme. There are a lot of rare games that are not that valuable because people don't care for the gameplay/theme.

The true number of Varkons that exist is probably less than 90 btw, since some of them were converted into arcade (videogame) cabinets. And of course, some of them were probably scrapped.

[Anonymous No.9581778]

>>9581669
Sounds good.
It's interesting that on the venue's site it lists not only whether a game is Scorbit Enabled but also its ranking on Pinside's Top 100
And on that topic, is Godzilla really worthy of being Ranked 1st?

[Anonymous No.9581783]

>>9581669
>>9581465
I just checked and they have six sterns with Insider Connected:
Avengers: Infinity Quest Premium
Deadpool Premium
Godzilla Premium
Guardians of the Galaxy Pro
Iron Maiden Premium
Led Zeppelin Premium

So yeah. I recommend making a Stern Insider Connected account for the achievements and score tracking and all that.

[Anonymous No.9581786]

>>9581783
Yeah I already made an account after finding a local place with the TMNT Table

[Anonymous No.9581803]

>>9581778
It's a reasonable choice for number 1, I'd say. It's by Keith Elwin, who was the greatest pinball tournament player for longer than anyone and now is an extremely popular pinball designer. And Godzilla is his most recent game, and it's seemingly universally liked by everyone.

As for what's so good about it:
The playfield is innovative, and the experiment is successful, I'd say. Lots of careful attention paid to geometry. Some interesting stuff that's either never been done before or hasn't been done in this way.
The code is good. Lots of breadth and depth. Not sure what else to say about it, other than that it's full of clever original wrinkles like a lot of other games (particularly Elwin games maybe), but moreso.
People like the theme. As do I.

[Anonymous No.9581810]

>>9581803
Sweet.
What would you say are the other great tables at the London place?

[Anonymous No.9581813]

>>9581803
>no scoop
Not putting a single coin in such machines.

[Anonymous No.9581852]

https://pinballgx.net/en/list.html
Pretty cool in-depth table guides, hope they make more soon

[Anonymous No.9581868]

>>9581813
Keith tries to avoid scoops. He explained why in an interview once but I can't find it at the moment. I tend to agree though. A scoop stops the ball and shoots it back at you, usually the same way every time. It's taking up space that could be occupied by a shot (which might do the same thing every time, but doesn't stop the ball). He has used up-posts before to stop the ball for selecting a mode or what-have-you, fulfilling the function of a scoop. Godzilla has a scoop though. And the premium edition of Iron Maiden has the Underworld shot.

>>9581810
Can't go wrong, I'd say. Deadpool's very popular, though. And Jurassic Park. Although Jurassic Park is kind of a challenging game for those who aren't that experienced.

[Anonymous No.9581871]

>>9581868
Got it.
Shame they don't have a Pinball 2000 table, I was already impressed whenever I saw Revenge From Mars

[Anonymous No.9582409]

>>9581803
big machine

[Anonymous No.9582431]

>>9582409
Don't worry they made a smaller "Home Edition"

[Anonymous No.9582443]

>>9582431
Why bother with that? Doesn't that complicate production lines and make things more complicated?

[Anonymous No.9582451]

>>9582443
>Why bother with that?
Probably trying to appeal to people interested in buying a personal pinball table but who don't want to spend over $5k for it

[Anonymous No.9582471]

>>9570085
Yea I love pinball. Mostly like 70s-80s machines before they get too crazy on the tables.
I have a semi broken Black Knight I need to fix. Pretty sure the game rom is broke.

There's an arcade around here that is mostly old games and the guy has a bunch of pinball too. I think he has more than he can keep up with because a lot of them I have never seen on.

[Anonymous No.9582521]

>>9582471
>Mostly like 70s-80s machines before they get too crazy on the tables
So you weren't a fan of the Dot Matrix era?

[Anonymous No.9582560]

>>9582521
From my experience, no not really. I've played maybe 40 different machines though. It depends on the game though. I'm just don't like the clutter of alot of the newer tables. I like the simpler games, but of course not a game with nothin goin on.

[Anonymous No.9582569]

>>9582471
>I have a semi broken Black Knight I need to fix
What's wrong with it?

[Anonymous No.9582615]

>>9582569
One day it just quit making the game. We had just taken it out of a hibernation and played it for a few weeks. We've had it for years though.
It's been a little over a year since I had the chance to mess with it so I may forget.
All the electromechanical stuff and lights still work, but it won't go into attract mode or start a game. Also the scoreboard is out so I can't tell if its saying anything. The score board was going in and out when it was working.
The operator controls on the coin door stopped doing anything too but I'm not sure since the scoreboard is out.
There is a self diagnostic on the computer board but It doesn't tell me a whole lot. It just gives a number and you reference the manual. I think that one of the things for the number it gave could mean the game rom failed, but again I don't really remember.
It was a little more involved than I had time for and I haven't gotten back around to it, but I would like to fix it myself.
I posted in a thread about it almost exactly a year ago actually.

[Anonymous No.9582727]

>>9582451
>Probably trying to appeal to people interested in buying a personal pinball table but who don't want to spend over $5k for it
Why does pinball cost so much money? Is it not possible to make a regular pinball table for about 5K?

[Anonymous No.9582789]

>>9582615
I think I was already in that thread.
From what you describe, it really looks like a rom problem. Should be easy enough to fix with the error code.
I assume the testing process (flashers, solenoids) works fine?

[Anonymous No.9582793]

>>9582727
>Why does pinball cost so much money?
It's a lot of specialty parts I think
>Is it not possible to make a regular pinball table for about 5K?
Doesn't seem like it
Best you can get is 7k

[Anonymous No.9582824]

>>9582727
>>9582793
*$7k MSRP I mean
You can probably find cheaper tables if you look for older ones but then you might have maintenance issues

[Anonymous No.9582854]

>>9582789
>I assume the testing process (flashers, solenoids) works fine?
I don't remember. I think shortly after it started acting up, I could still get it to run through the test sequences. Though I think the last time I had it on, it wouldn't do anything other than light up and hum. The flippers might have worked too.

>it really looks like a rom problem
From what I've read, I agree. I just have to figure out how to confirm that and fix what's actually broke. I don't want to just throw parts.

[Anonymous No.9582868]

>>9582854
Did you check this out?
https://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php/Williams_System_9_-_11

[Anonymous No.9582880]

>>9582868
Black Knight is a system 7 but there's a page on it I found. Thanks though. I will give it a look over.

[Anonymous No.9582894]

>>9582880
Oh shit I'm retarded, I don't know why I mixed up Black Knight and Black Knight 2000... it's obviously not the same system at all. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.9583026]

>>9581813
There is a scoop.

[Anonymous No.9583236]

>>9581778
>is Godzilla really worthy of being Ranked 1st?
No
Here's how Pinside's Top 100 works; people buy new Stern machine, out of obligation or guilt or whatever the fuck the owners of new Stern machine (that they paid thousands of dollars for) rank their expensive new toy the best thing ever.
Over time and with normal pinball players giving realistic rankings and pinball owners ranking their newer Stern machines higher the newer Stern machine outranks it, wash and repeat.
12 of the top 20 tables on Pinside were released in the last decade. It's like that bullshit about Black Panther being one of the highest rated movies of all time, it's bullshit bias and agenda.

[Anonymous No.9583245]

>>9583236
so only old Williams tables are good, got it

[Anonymous No.9583321]

>>9581778
I think it's funny they put the pinside rank on there, but yes, Godzilla is hands down the best pinball machine in this century and arguably ever depending on your tastes. It has nearly unparalleled flow, content, toys, mechs, and everything you could want in a machine. There are certainly other pins that you could argue should be #1, but Godzilla is at least a deserving choice.

[Anonymous No.9583330]

>>9583026
He was talking about Jurassic Park, which doesn't have a scoop.

[Anonymous No.9583341]

My family used to have one of these, had to get rid of it though since we moved to a smaller house. Went to a dedicated pinball autist who would maintain it at least.

[Anonymous No.9583345]

>>9570085
the only pinball game i have ever played is the minigame in the casino of sonic adventure

[Anonymous No.9583349]

>>9583345
not the only time Sonic brushed up with Pinball

[Anonymous No.9583378]

>>9583321
t. Stern shill

[Anonymous No.9583397]

>>9583378
Pretend Jersey Jack made it then

[Anonymous No.9583405]

>>9583349
There's a physical sonic pinball machine in development, by the way. We don't know from who exactly, but we know it's not Stern, Jersey Jack, Spooky or American Pinball. So probably Multimorphic. Or maybe Pinball Brothers. And there's a rumor that Sega had a condition requiring a second pinball machine based on a Sega IP to be made as well.

https://www.knapparcade.org/post/a-sonic-spinball-pinball-machine-may-be-coming-from-stern

(this article is wrong, it's probably not coming from Stern)

[Anonymous No.9583420]

>>9583405
>maybe Pinball Brothers
They do say on their site they have another table planned

[Anonymous No.9583435]

>>9583405
>a second pinball machine based on a Sega IP
A Toejam and Earl table would be the shit but no doubt it would be a more popular IP

[Anonymous No.9583458]

>>9583435
Bet it’ll be Yakuza
>Majima Multiball

[Anonymous No.9583473]

anyone like playing EM machines? i was at funspot revently and found myself having a lot of fun with them. definitely more bullshit and physicality required, but i find them endearing

[Anonymous No.9583482]

Of course. I been playin a assortment of em at my local places!

The Bally Game Show is my current top score chase and for a simple ruleset it is deviously hard, even when you get Showcase Bonanza the way everything is angled makes shots much harder that it seems. Extra balls for high score runs is almost mandatory and there is no ball save on default settings

[Anonymous No.9583498]

>>9570631
Thats how i feel when i play sims, since its not the same physics its hard to adjust. Pinball is probably the one thing that will never feel 1 to 1 emulated no matter how hard you try. However i did see the newer virtual pinball emulator Techmoan reviewed and it dosent look half bad for a small scale machine

[Anonymous No.9583516]

>>9583473
I like 'em! (hey wait a minute, someone seemingly made the same joke as me. great minds think alike, I guess)

Pinball news:
CGC rumored to be remaking Twilight Zone at some point.
A company other than CGC may be remaking Big Bang Bar soon.

Source:
https://www.knapparcade.org/

[Anonymous No.9583527]

>>9583498
It seems to be based on the Zaccaria Pinball game on Steam

[Anonymous No.9583541]

>>9583516
I've been to that place, that's the Dutch pinball museum in Rotterdam Netherlands, real cool place Sadly they did replace the twilight zone music with golden earring shit :( made me kinda upset cuz grandpa used to have the machine too back when i was younger.

[Anonymous No.9583565]

>>9578556
Pinball FX on the epic game store has this table

[Anonymous No.9583568]

https://youtu.be/vEbheUDw_68

[Anonymous No.9583571]

>>9583378
I am definitely not a Stern shill. Just an Elwin fan.

[Anonymous No.9583576]

>>9583516
There are always remake rumors for everything.

[Anonymous No.9583613]

I sure do. I was never really good at them, actually I sucked at them, but would Always have to hit up a few of them at my local arcade. They are fun to play. I didn't even care about how many points I was getting.

[Anonymous No.9584551]

>>9583349
This was honestly a pretty fun game, even had a chaos garden and a few other minigames.

[Anonymous No.9584556]

I know nothing about flipper machines but a guy in my area is selling a broken one for 150€, pic related, how much will I hate myself if I take it?
Is the machine even worth it?

[Anonymous No.9584592]

>>9584556
>how much will I hate myself if I take it?
A lot.
>Is the machine even worth it?
Lol, no. It's more like a big kid toy with barely anything to do.
I mean just look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b_LnbrNxR8
I wouldn't be surprised if it ran on batteries lmao

[Anonymous No.9584642]

>>9584592
Damn, talk about disappointment

[Anonymous No.9584645]

>>9584592
>professional
Christ, you're better off buying an AtGames digital machine if you want cheap pinball.

[Anonymous No.9585779]

>>9584645
This would be cool if it had a larger screen, say 22-24 inch. It's designed so that you can also hook it up to a PC.

[Anonymous No.9585803]

>>9585779
It's also lacking a 3rd screen for the Dot Matrix
Arcade1up got that part right but lacks a top screen for the marque

[Anonymous No.9587041]

[Anonymous No.9587052]

Did you know Bride of Pinbot 2.0 has a video mode with a level editor? Isn't that crazy?

https://vimeo.com/125148018

proof:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/bop-20-owners-club-members-only/page/17#post-2410152

[Anonymous No.9587054]

>>9587052
seems a bit unnecessary

[Anonymous No.9587060]

>>9587041
Fun Fact: Gottlieb were also working on a Zelda pinball table but it became American Gladiators after they got the license.
But then the deal fell through and without enough time to turn it back into Zelda they just made it generic fantasy.

[Anonymous No.9587312]

>>9587060
Is there a single good Gottlieb?

[Anonymous No.9587328]

>>9587312
Street Fighter II

[Anonymous No.9588336]

>>9587312
If you're talking about Solid State pins, Stargate is highest rated on pinside. If you count EMs then there are dozens of good gottliebs.

[Anonymous No.9588339]

>>9588336
(actually Black Hole is highest rated but w/e)

[Anonymous No.9588417]

>>9588336
>rated on the reddit of pinball
Heh.
That being said, Bone Busters looks good, but it's probably mediocre.

[Anonymous No.9588423]

>>9570085
Pinball Wizard is my favorite song.

[Anonymous No.9588513]

Have any pinball manufacturers ever re-released an older popular pinball machine?

Like how Namco re-releases their Pac Mac Arcade cabinets every 10 years or so. They are called anniversary editions.

Does something like that exist for Pinball?

[Anonymous No.9588516]

>>9588513
>Does something like that exist for Pinball?
Yes but since the original pinball manufacturers went under they're handled by other groups

[Anonymous No.9588534]

>>9588513
Chicago Gaming Company:
Medieval Madness
Attack from Mars
Monster Bash
Cactus Canyon (trickling out slower than anticipated due to production issues or something)

Gottlieb made a modern version of El Dorado called El Dorado City of Gold

Gene Cunningham made 110 units of Big Bang Bar, the cancelled Capcom pin. More are rumored to be in development.

Haggis Pinball re-released Fathom. They also did a Mermaid edition with updated rules.

Jersey Jack has gone back and rereleased their old games before. Wizard of Oz, mostly.

Stern does Vault editions of their old games sometimes.

[Anonymous No.9588615]

>>9588534
Interesting. Why dont they make re-releases of the rare collectible pinball machines that people talk about? I keep hearing about machines where like only less than 100 or less than 50 were made. Or that only a handful still exist. Why not remake those so more people can enjoy it?

[Anonymous No.9588667]

>>9588615
Well there was only 7 or so Big Bang Bars and one guy named Gene Cunnigham made 110 more and it was more work than he thought it would be and he ended up losing money.
https://www.polygon.com/features/2017/3/21/14937540/history-of-big-bang-bar-pinball

And a company called Circus Maximus planned to make more of Kingpin, of which there are only 7 or so, but that was a while ago and there's been little sign of progress from them since.

I think making pinball machines is really difficult. And if you're remaking something then you have to get it basically exactly right and can't cut corners. And recreating something sometimes poses other unique challenges which I won't bother to enumerate.

[Anonymous No.9588684]

>>9588615
There also a few rare pinball machines like Goin Nuts that are valuable only because they're rare and aren't that great.

https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/goin-nuts

[Anonymous No.9588853]

>>9588667
Wouldn't it be EASIER because of modern technology? Like 3D printers and such?

[Anonymous No.9588896]

>>9588853
It's probably easier in some ways. It might be harder in some other ways too. I've heard sourcing high quality wood is harder than it used to be.

But I'm not a pinball manufacturer so I don't know.

[Anonymous No.9588923]

>>9575658
Twilight Zone is the table that springs to mind immediately when I think pinball. Love that table!
>>9572578
The Pro Pinball games for PS1 had settings that let you change the wear of the table and whether it was well maintained. At the most run down levels, bumpers wouldn’t work sometimes, etc. It was a neat feature.
>>9578556
They got a big o beam!

[Anonymous No.9588938]

Remember dicks?

[Anonymous No.9589178]

https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Pinball

For those who don't know.

[Anonymous No.9589203]

I never really considered there being pinball threads on 4chan since I mainly think of /v/ glad to see there's one here. I've recently began playing in open tournaments at my local place (which is great and has tons of machines), how the fuck do I git gud. Currently being raped by all the home owners/guys that have been in my local scene for decades which is to be expected, but damn. I feel like the only time they lose a ball is when there's absolutely nothing they can do even after nudging and I end up watching their 10 minute ball one after my 1 minute one lol. Is it just holding and going slow? I guess I definitely panic and smack the ball as it's coming down too much which leads to wacky ball arcs

[Anonymous No.9589521]

>>9589203
>how the fuck do I git gud
It all come down to:
-controlling the ball and getting it where you want it to go, no random slingshot chaos.
-knowing the scoring system and risk/reward

[Anonymous No.9589542]

>>9589203
aiming and knowing what to aim for
ball control/defensive flipper skills
nudging in various different ways in different situations

Also see the preceding post:
>>9572140

[Anonymous No.9589562]

>>9571136
>>9570093
>>9571256
>Visual Pinball X

Fuck that gay ass program. What a pain in the fucking ass. Keep getting this god damn message when I download a table. What the fuck? I'll stick to Zaccaria Pinball and Pinball FX3 using CreamAPI. What a FUCKING PAIN.

[Anonymous No.9589576]

Nudging is so stupid. Stop moving the machines you idiots. That's not skill. That's admitting you need to cheat to win.

[Anonymous No.9589608]

>>9589562
Uninstalled that shit. Doesn't even have leaderboards. Garbage ass clunky program.

[Anonymous No.9589646]

>>9589576
you're an idiot

[Anonymous No.9589668]

>>9589646
It's because you idiots kept moving the machines so hard that they had to install tilt alarms to finally punish you. I've seen too many of you abusing and beating the machines in the name of nudging. Learn to play.

[Anonymous No.9589680]

>>9589646

I once saw a guy picking an Adams Family front end about 5 inches off the ground and then just dropped it...repeatedly.... He broke the machine, and tried to argue it wasn't his fault to the manager. That nudging was a legit form of play. The owner banned him from location.

From then on, tilt sensors were set to very high sensitivity and he gave everyone a warning when their triggered the alarm. Repeat offenders were banned.

So yes nudging is a real issue. Many of you can do it gently but I've seen first hand that a lot of jerks take it too far. These machines cost thousands of dollars. They aren't cheap toys that you can smash on the ground like you do to your Xbox controller.

[Anonymous No.9589686]

>>9589668
Nudging and tilt bobs (or tilt alarms as you call them) predate flippers. You're talking about something that was introduced before Paul McCartney was born, so it doesn't really make sense to use the word "finally". If the operators don't want people to nudge they can tighten the tilt and/or reduce the number of warnings, and a few do. That's their prerogative.

I don't need to nudge to have a good time, but for a lot of players it enhances their enjoyment of the game, and operators allow nudging because they believe that the increased earnings from nudge-loving players outweighs the cost of extra repairs. Or they simply consider nudging part of the game as well and don't want to eliminate it.

[Anonymous No.9589691]

>>9589686
>>9589680
But yeah, some players don't get nudging and damage the machine. The word "tilt" sometimes confuses people, and they think that it's about "tilting" the machine. But really it's called "nudging", not "tilting".

[Anonymous No.9589729]

OK anti-nudgers (and to a lesser extent Godzilla defenders). This shot, this fucking shot right here; the ball goes up the little gap and comes back out at you from out of the bottom of the building, note the direction of the arrows, resulting in a straight down the middle loss of ball.
When you get that shot and see that ball coming out of the building the only way to not lose it is to slap the side of the table like a red headed stepchild, the table was designed to fuck you if you (intentionally or not) get that shot.
Did the designer take in to account nudging? Or is it just a straight up "fuck you" to the player?
Am I in my right to nudge the table knowing full well that if I do not I lose my ball?

[Anonymous No.9589775]

>>9589729
The first time you do it you get a ball saver. I forget if it's the first time you do it per game or the first time you do it per ball, but there's definitely a ball saver there.

I just looked it up and here's what Tiltforums says:
"The first two times (in single-ball play) this will award a short ballsave."
I think that's fair.

http://tiltforums.com/t/stern-godzilla-rulesheet/7210#heading--wallop

[Anonymous No.9589784]

>>9589729
You sound like the guy at a tournament who slams the pinball machine 3 feet to the side just to save your ball. And then pisses off the owner of the machine who let their machine for tournament use.

[Anonymous No.9589826]

>>9589784
You sound like a cock sucking faggot who has to resort to an ad hominem instead of posting anything relevant

[Anonymous No.9589853]

>>9589729
Sounds like the playfield angle could be adjusted either more shallow or deeper if it's going straight down the middle every time.

[Anonymous No.9589860]

>>9589853
Nah. I've played Godzilla and it's a feed down the middle. That shot wasn't really planned, it came about as a surprise midway through development when they shrunk the captive ball. The game gives you two ball-savers and then you have to do a slap save. It's fine.

[Anonymous No.9589879]

>>9589860
>poor design resulting in having to implement a ball-save to make up for it
>it's fine
The highest rated pinball table of all time folks!

[Anonymous No.9589881]

>>9589826
>You sound like a cock sucking faggot who has to resort to an ad hominem instead of posting anything relevant
Nudging is not necessary to play this game. It's a sketchy mechanic players came up with that involves physically messing with the machine and can cause issues for Pinball owners. I have zero problem playing a pinball game without "nudging" and have won several local pinball tournaments without doing it. You grossly overstate how much nudging is needed.

[Anonymous No.9589940]

>>9589576
>62 kg
>never lifted
>little muscle
>can't even shake those fucking machines, at most they just wobble a little
>try to do a bang back, and what a surprise just lose the ball and hurt my wrist
>mfw

[Anonymous No.9589957]

>>9589940
>how many names can I come up with to hide that you're hitting and abusing the machine
Lol

>bang back
This isn't even allowed in pinball tournaments.

[Anonymous No.9590023]

>>9589680
Some machines also feature a "Slam Tilt" to detect nudging with such force as to risk damaging the machine and also prevent messing with the coin door.
Unlike the regular Tilt which just ends your current ball, a Slam Tilt will reset the whole game removing all credits and may also set off an alarm to alert staff.

[Anonymous No.9590136]

>>9589860
Wow really? You'd think they would have picked this up in a playtest or something. I wonder if there's some modification you can do with the angle of the playfield or the piece to not have it be a straight drain.

[Anonymous No.9590176]

>>9589957
I don't give a fuck about pinball tournaments. I just play at some shitty run down bars so I want to keep the ball as long as I can, even if that means abusing the machine and wearing it down.
Well I obviously can't manage to do that anyway, but I would if I could.

[Anonymous No.9590182]

>>9590176
>even if that means abusing the machine and wearing it down
The whole point of nudging is doing it in a way that isn't detrimental to the machine.
That's why Tilt detection was introduced in the first place.

[Anonymous No.9590313]

>>9589940
>>9590176
I really wouldn't do a bang back at all. I once caused a small crack in the playfield glass at a random place and i didn't even hit it that hard at all. I guess the force applied transferred more to the glass than it did to the playfield level. I swiftly and stealthily escaped away even though I still had 1 more ball left to play with.

[Anonymous No.9590748]

>>9589576
>>9589646
The underlying reality is that pinball machines were designed to steal quarters from kids much like slots from adults, and that kids would use nudging to stay in the game. They added tilt to prevent this and keep the quarter stealing going. When they started making tables for home use, quarter stealing became less of a design focus, but nudging stayed. Personally, I don't really nudge because I think the game is more fun when your skill should solely come from being able to manage the ball with flippers, but I understand why people nudge because its inherent in the nature of a physical game like pinball.

[Anonymous No.9590751]

>>9589729
I noticed that the shot doesn't go sdtm sometimes at the arcade, and I think its dependent on the straightness of the table.

[Anonymous No.9590765]

>>9590313
>I once caused a small crack in the playfield glass
Consider yourself extremely lucky, anon, pinball glasses are made to explode in thousands of little shards.
One exploded right in my fucking hands one time I was handling it. I still found little shards many months later.

[Anonymous No.9590930]

>>9589881
name a knowlegeable pinball owner or enthusiast who thinks that nudging causes serious machine issues.

[Anonymous No.9591053]

>>9590930
Not him, but I can name such a person: me.

[Anonymous No.9591112]

>>9591053
ok, do you have personal experience with nudging causing serious machine issues?

[Anonymous No.9591173]

>>9591112
Yes. My uncle nudged the family pinball like a retard. The leg came loose because it ended up widening the holes. Granted, it took 15 years.

[Anonymous No.9591176]

>>9591173
>family pinball
like a proper table?

[Anonymous No.9591178]

>>9591176
Yes, a Williams system 11 that we purchased in 1995.

[Anonymous No.9591187]

>>9591178
Was much maintenance done over the 15 years?

[Anonymous No.9591225]

>>9591187
Depends on what you mean by "much maintenance". It was mostly electronical.

[Anonymous No.9591228]

>>9591225
ah, so that would explain why the legs gave after that long
Unless it was a case where it seemed pristine before your uncle nudged it hard.

[Anonymous No.9591241]

>>9591228
It was pristine, as much as could remember.
That being said, I refuse to nudge because it means that I made a bad shot or poorly anticipated something. I'd rather try to fix this than nudge my future heirloom.

[Anonymous No.9591331]

>>9591112
You seem to be misunderstanding something. Nudging is not something the general public does to machines. It's someone only very specific players do. And Nudging, shifting, or moving the machine *will* cause issues over time. They loosen screws, bolts, and wear out the machine connections at joints. It's a physical movement of the machine afterall. Maybe not cause issues right away, but it will over time.

I've even seen instances where a player nudges too hard and can cause cracks in the glass. Do these people take responsibility? Nope. They just quietly walk away and leave the arcade without saying anything. Now the arcade owner has to pay to replace the glass. And the pinball is now out of service for days or weeks depending on how quickly they replace the glass.

Nudging (or any other "pro" pinball techniques) causes problems over time when a single player does it. Now imagine a pinball machine in a public arcade. It gets played dozens of times a day by many different players. More if it's popular location. It wears out the machine faster. Pins are just pieces of wood and metal after all. It's gonna break eventually if you keep stressing the connection points with movement.

You might be able to get away with it with newer machines but These older pinball machines aren't made anymore and sourcing replacement parts are difficult if something serious breaks. They should be respected and treated with an extra level of care from players if it's an older machine. This isn't the 1980s or 1990s anymore. These machines are old now.


Personally, I'd much rather focus on flipper control than worry about nudging and shifting a machine. If I have to nudge then it means I took a bad shot and misjudged the ball angle. A nudge is like admitting I failed.

[Anonymous No.9591653]

>>9591331
I wouldn't mind playing in a tournament with tight tilt bobs and no warnings but I should point out that getting to the wizard mode of most modern pinball machines is borderline impossible without nudging, such that I wouldn't be surprised if no one had ever done it before. It would be an interesting challenge.

[Anonymous No.9591702]

So like I've been playing sonic spinball(which was fucking horrible holy fuck getting to third stage is almost impossible) and pokemon pinball ruby and sapphire and the OG which is trash. Since this is ya know /vr/ what are some retro "pinball" games. More than just a table you know with added random shit and retardation cause eh why the fuck not its a video game.

[Anonymous No.9591725]

>>9583349
This better be fun and better than sonic spinball and if it has a dreams table it better be extra gay and homoerotic

[Anonymous No.9591734]

I think if you own the machine, then you can do what you want.

But if it's someone else's machine, then nudging and bang backs need to be held back. You don't know how the owner would react.

But anon is playing it in a sketchy bar. I doubt the owners care.

[Anonymous No.9591737]

>>9591734
>But anon is playing it in a sketchy bar
>I doubt the owners care.
He said as a pool cue is half way swung above his head at over 9000 km's/hr

[Anonymous No.9591741]

>>9591734
Well bang backs are way worse than nudging. Those do actually cross a line, and I think I've seen signs explicitly prohibiting them in pinball places before.

[Anonymous No.9591987]

[Anonymous No.9592018]

>>9570085
yeah theyre those shitty things that are usually found near video games but arent video games. like skee ball and claw machines.

[Anonymous No.9592045]

>>9591987
we live in hell

[Anonymous No.9592201]

What are yall thoughts on Zaccaria Pinball? I think I prefer that over Pinball FX3. But I like both.

[Anonymous No.9592287]

Just polished a few drinks off at my local smoking dive bar and played a few rounds of godzilla. Absolutely shit the bed, no blue oyster cult multiball song for me. Fuck

[Anonymous No.9592496]

>>9592201
It has weird artifacting on my Steam Deck

[Anonymous No.9593651]

>>9570085
Yeah, played Dirty Harry one few days ago.

[Anonymous No.9593656]

Retro digital Pinball kino

[Anonymous No.9593672]

>>9570085
It appears I dont remember, whats a pinball?

[Anonymous No.9593683]

>>9593672
>Pinball games are a family of games in which a ball is propelled into a specially designed table where it bounces off various obstacles, scoring points either en route or when it comes to rest. Historically the board was studded with nails called 'pins' and had hollows or pockets which scored points if the ball came to rest in them. Today, pinball is most commonly an arcade game in which the ball is fired into a specially designed cabinet known as a pinball machine, hitting various lights, bumpers, ramps, and other targets depending on its design. The game's object is generally to score as many points as possible by hitting these targets and making various shots with flippers before the ball is lost. Most pinball machines use one ball per turn (except during special multi-ball phases), and the game ends when the ball(s) from the last turn are lost.

[Anonymous No.9593713]

>>9592287
I just got high score #1 on my local arcade machine. Got a lot of different multiballs and beat ebriah and titanosaurus. Easily my best game of pinball yet. I always used to go Gigan, but I find that the left ramp is just too difficult, so I only go for him if I destroyed the building and can do right ramp loops.

[Anonymous No.9593716]

It does feel like the EGS pinball fx has better physics than fx3. A nice in between of zen physics and williams physics in fx3. I am waiting on a steam release though before I buy tables. I hope they get a twilight zone table eventually.

[Anonymous No.9593721]

>>9593716
I think ScreamAPI will work for unlocking all the tables

[Anonymous No.9593725]

>>9589729
Just out of curiosity and not to start a fight, who is your GOAT designer?

[Anonymous No.9594235]

>>9593713
The funny thing is that, unless I'm mistaken, the high score table for most modern pinball machines goes:

1. Grand Champion
2. High Score #1
3. High Score #2
4. High Score #3
5. High Score #4

>>9593725
I would also be curious to hear him answer that question.

[Anonymous No.9594271]

>>9594235
Oh yeah, I did not get Grand Champion. I am satisfied nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.9595830]

>>9588336
looks nice, so much gold/yellow

[Anonymous No.9596816]

This guy uploaded a ton of old Bally/Williams/Midway promo and marketing videos from the 80s and 90s. I've been going through a lot of these. Lots of fun cheesy stuff for anyone feeling nostalgic.

https://m.youtube.com/@duncanfbrown/videos

[Anonymous No.9596863]

art from the cancelled Total Recall pin

[Anonymous No.9596917]

>>9596816
Thank you for sharing. This looks awesome

[Anonymous No.9596938]

>>9596863
That's so sick.

[Anonymous No.9597036]

>>9589729>>9591053
>>9591173

For the nudge, no nudge argument i do think nudging is completely viable and if it takes 15 years for the leg to not work anymore and require repairs that is a testament to build quality of machines.

When you own a machine of any sort there will be repairs made. Now of course some players take it too far (if you are a cunt who bangbacks the machine get the fuck out of the arcade). But if the games themselves by design allow you to nudge to a certian degree before it locks up, wouldnt that be encouraging the mechanic as a risk/reward system? This isnt the great depression era of pinball either where that was even more discouraged

[Anonymous No.9597065]

>>9589940
>bangback

That maneuver is known to break wrists and break machines. Please dont be that guy anon

[Anonymous No.9597367]

>>9597036
>For the nudge, no nudge argument i do think nudging is completely viable
The problem is that the argument is based on:

"I will do whatever it takes to win. I don't care or give af."

Your starting point for the argument is that "you want to win" . So your whole argument is just logical fallacies and justifications on why your questionable actions should be allowed.

But your starting point should be "I should respect the machine and not abuse it".
That should be the starting point for everything. Because if you break it, then you are responsible.

>and if it takes 15 years for the leg to not work anymore and require repairs that is a testament to build quality of machines.

This makes no sense. First of all Most pinball machines are not brand new. Are you going to pay for the damage caused if you "nudge" a machine and (that rare situation happens) the leg gives out? Or if you crack the glass?

Let me also add there is no defined version of "nudging". Movement that might be acceptable to you might be completely understandable to the pinball machine owner.

Other anon said he saw someone lift and slam a pinball machine and called it nudging. Tournaments can get heated too. These pinball machines are Electro-Mechanical machines. Not arcade machines. That means abuse will knock things out of alignment or calibration over time.

>But if the games themselves by design allow you to nudge to a certian degree before it locks up, wouldnt that be encouraging the mechanic as a risk/reward system?

I don't think you understand what "by design" means. Pinball Manufacturers have never promoted moving the machine during play.

Manufacturers noticed people were physical shaking, lifting, and slamming the machine to keep their ball alive. The tilt mechanism was added as a "penalty" for the players.

The tilt mechanism was NOT added as a "challenge" to players. They aren't challenging players to 'see how much they can shake the machine without triggering tilt'.

[Anonymous No.9597462]

>>9597367
>logical fallacies and justifications on why your questionable actions should be allowed

As someone who has been to plenty of arcades, pinball tournaments, and talked with arcade owners at local places, usually there is a general consensus on what a proper nudge and what is allowed is. You can look at tournament rules for most places and there usually is defined "what you cant do" that is present when you enter tournaments such as picking up the machine. Usually there is a clear difference between nudging and straight up abusing the machine. Slapping the sides does not equal picking it up. Of course every place is different but it usually is a general consensus of "nudging will happen, just dont be stupid".

>are you going to pay for damages?

Highly depends. If a freak accident like a leg break happens or window crack id be down to help reimburse them in any way i can if i realized i caused it. But if its a electronic or bug issue, no, cause that is mostly out of my control and just a common thing that happens with new and old machines.

>nudging isnt a risk reward set by manufacturers

I do get what you mean and i actually do agree with you somewhat, however i would reckon if that was completely the case most machines by default would have no warning lockouts.

[Anonymous No.9597528]

>>9597367

>But if the games themselves by design allow you to nudge to a certian degree before it locks up, wouldnt that be encouraging the mechanic as a risk/reward system?

I don't think you understand what "by design" means. Pinball Manufacturers have never promoted moving the machine during play.

Manufacturers noticed people were physical shaking, lifting, and slamming the machine to keep their ball alive. The tilt mechanism was added as a "penalty" for the players.

The tilt mechanism was NOT added as a "challenge" to players. They aren't challenging players to 'see how much they can shake the machine without triggering tilt'.

Giving the player tilt warnings promotes nudging. Some machines replenish players tilt warnings, which promotes nudging.
Example:
Total Nuclear Annihilation gives more tilt warnings for a mystery award.
Jersey Jack's Pirates of the Caribbean lets you gamble tilt warnings to get more in Liar's Dice.
There are probably more I've forgotten.

Also JJP Pirates of the Caribbean has an "escape the locker" hole on the right outlane going to the shooter lane where you can nudge to save your ball. And a crossover return lane.

A lot of machines have unique outlanes that are designed to give you an extra opportunity to save your ball through nudging. Although they do occasionally give you your ball back without nudging, the designers clearly intended them to be used with nudging.

Centaur, Skateball, Full Throttle, Alien, Wheel of Fortune, etcetera.

[Anonymous No.9597535]

>>9597528
(the first half of that was supposed to be in greentext)

[Anonymous No.9597540]

>>9597462
>I do get what you mean and i actually do agree with you somewhat, however i would reckon if that was completely the case most machines by default would have no warning lockouts.
Plus there's some tables that reset tilt warnings as a mystery award. In that case it's unambiguously a gameplay mechanic

[Anonymous No.9597586]

>>9597540
That is a very good point. Also especially relevant in later machines that clearly display how many warnings you have left like Toy Story 4 for example

[Anonymous No.9597708]

>>9597540
Hey I said that first!

[Anonymous No.9597715]

Pinbskk
>>9597540
Not that anon, but that's controlled by the operator. They can disable that if they want. They can make the machine give very few warnings and just shut off if they want.

[Anonymous No.9597810]

>>9597528
I can't do the Centaur ball-save nudge for shit. It seems impossible. A few times it's happened by luck.

[Anonymous No.9597991]

>>9596816
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2-mtcpDADc

[Anonymous No.9598172]

I don't get why people are obsessed with all these questionable techniques in pinball. Nudging, Tilting, lifting, bang backing...

I was raised to not mess with the pinball machine. Why can't you guys just rely on flipper skills and play normally?

[Anonymous No.9598183]

>>9598172
Tilting isn't a technique, it's the "game over" state happens when you nudge too much. Lifting is also not really a technique, because I think if you did it on any machine with a functioning tilt bob you'd tilt immediately.

[Anonymous No.9598243]

>>9570085
No, whats that? Are they like some weird peripheral for autists?

[Anonymous No.9598272]

Not to be that guy but how is this videogames?

[Anonymous No.9598274]

>>9598272
>This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games, including consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball)

[Anonymous No.9598313]

>>9598272
well if you wanna talk about pinball videogames, go ahead

[Anonymous No.9598993]

A friend of mine introduced me to someone who has a Hercules Pinball for sale.

It's not listed publicly on the internet right now. It's been sitting in this guy's garage for many years. It's kind of beat up and has some issues. It won't power up properly and has problems with the sound. It hasn't been serviced in many years. I haven't had the full opportunity to examine it in depth.

He's asking 6K. I'm not sure anymore. Is this worth it? I feel like I could talk this dude down or offer a lower number considering it's not working right now. My one thing working in my favor is that he wants it gone from his house. Advice?

[Anonymous No.9599194]

>>9598993
Pinside says it's worth $5360 - $6240 so try getting him down to at least $5k

[Anonymous No.9599667]

>>9598172
"Its not a skill!" they cry when pinball tournaments and high score attempts for years have relied on skillful use of nudging

Flipper skills are just as important. Combine the two you can control the field effectively. Also lifting is 100 percent a bad.

This whole anti nudge argument is turning into bad faith arguments and im kind of getting sick of it

[Anonymous No.9599809]

im jealous of people with pinball machines.

[Anonymous No.9599850]

>>9598993
why do you want it? do you have any other pins? do you like fixing up stuff? do you have any experience with it?

[Anonymous No.9600456]

>>9598993
No. I have played the game at an amusement park before when it was working (and that game is famous for breaking down), and the flippers weren't strong enough to hit anything. From what I have heard, that is not an uncommon problem either.

[Anonymous No.9600646]

>>9598993
Do you want a pinball that is only known as a one trick pony that dosent even do that well with the gimmick? That machine is also notorious for breaking over the littlest of things so be prepared for that. Also definitely make sure you have the space

[Anonymous No.9600773]

>>9600456
Different anon here. Can't you mid the flippers to be stronger? Maybe with a stronger motor?

[Anonymous No.9601176]

>>9598993
Not worth it, especially at 6k. Especially if it's beat up and had electronic problems.
Don't fall the pinmeme prices. Go for 3k max.

[Anonymous No.9601183]

>>9600773
>motor
Flippers are powered with a solenoid, not a motor. But different solenoids have different strenght.

[Anonymous No.9601246]

surprised to see a pinball thread reach bump limit on neo-/vr/

[Anonymous No.9601264]

>>9601183
Would the pinball machine lose value if you used a stronger solenoid?

[Anonymous No.9601287]

>>9601246
I like The Shadow a lot, but I hate those autoplungers. Skills are meant to be fun.
>>9601264
Yes, but only because a stronger solenoid would end up damaging the playfield.
>t. bought an Addams from a retard that put solenoids twice as strong as the regular one, balls were flying everywhere and fucking up everything

[Anonymous No.9601372]

>>9601287
>Yes, but only because a stronger solenoid would end up damaging the playfield.
>t. bought an Addams from a retard that put solenoids twice as strong as the regular one, balls were flying everywhere and fucking up everything

But isn't the Hercules notorious for having very weak solenoids for the flippers? I see videos of it, and it looks like the flippers are struggling to knock the cueball sized pinball back up. A stronger solenoid would bring the flipper back up to normal correct? To what the flippers should be? P

[Anonymous No.9601383]

>>9601372
I think it's just a poorly designed table.
Stronger solenoids would just cause the cueball to slam around and damage stuff

[Anonymous No.9601410]

Apparently there was a Guns N Roses pinball w original music? Anyone have a clue what I’m talking about?

[Anonymous No.9601626]

>>9601410
The old Data East pin? Well yeah.

[Anonymous No.9601675]

>>9601383
Were the flippers intentionally designed to be that weak?

[Anonymous No.9601706]

>>9601675
When dealing with balls that heavy, yeah

[Anonymous No.9601772]

>30 year old boomer
>vaugly remember the old pinball machine at my fav dive bar
>would love throwing a couple of bucks into it every time i went
it feels like i got a slight taste of a great generational feel

[Anonymous No.9601786]

>>9601176
>Don't fall the pinmeme prices. Go for 3k max.

This 100%. I think a lot of people need to understand this. There is a big difference between:

"Collector value" - (the highest price that investors and scalpers hope you to pay)

VS

"Street value" - (the price range that most players are willing to realistically pay)

Anyone can setup a website, hype up prices, and claim something is worth X amount. But is anyone actually going to pay it? Doubtful.

Hercules is a huge machine. The gimmick is that it's huge and biggest official pinball in the world. Buts it's quite boring to play. Everything moves slowly. The machine also needs to be serviced regularly to keep it running. It is notorious for being temperamental and breaking down over the smallest things.

The Hercules anon described has been sitting in garage for who knows how long. It doesn't turn on. The sound doesn't work. And it hasnt been serviced in at least a decade or two. It needs a lot of work to get it running again.

Unless you love Hercules and want to collect it for sentimental reasons, then I would pass at $6K. Personally I wouldn't offer more than $2K and that's my max.

[Anonymous No.9601868]

>>9601786
>But is anyone actually going to pay it? Doubtful.
Actually yes, the obnoxious pinball manchildren that browse Pinside and clog up everything with their shitty "mods" (basically more useless plastic), leds, and PinGulps™ WILL pay absurd amounts of money and make the prices skyrocket.
Fuck them.

[Anonymous No.9601882]

>>9601868
Are they to blame for Toy Story 4 having 2 screens?

[Anonymous No.9603019]

sort of minor gripe but i wish one of these manufacurers would have the balls to go back to original themes instead of licensed shit every time.
i know its always been a thing with pinball but i get a lot more enjoyment out of an original theme rather than fucking metallica or some shit.
i dont care how great the design is i could not put money in a rush themed pinball machine

[Anonymous No.9603020]

>>9603019
Stern just did Black Knight Sword of Rage and it didn't sell well
JJP did Dialed In and it didn't sell well
American Pinball has done Houdini, Oktoberfest, and Legends of Valhalla
Multimorphic does mostly original themes

[Anonymous No.9603063]

>>9603020
>Stern just did Black Knight Sword of Rage and it didn't sell well
It was surprisingly bland. I bought a LE and it was the only pinball I ended up selling because I was having zero fun with after a couple of months.
Older pins are better. I would have traded my Black Knight SoR for a shitty Mousin' Around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEktGiI_V7w

[Anonymous No.9603332]

>>9601882
Honestly i kind of wish there were more family friendly themes like this in pinball, i know Hotwheels is a pretty good machine all things considered as well but the disney tax on TS4 really hurts to see.

Something like Hasbro Family Game Night or Nicktoons, maybe a Lego themed machine idk, there is potential.

[Anonymous No.9603348]

>>9603019
I understand that feeling but i get why it happened. Especially for enthusiasts or arcade owners its the question of "what is familiar to me" as a player.
Original themes of classic machines can be easily grasped cause there is a familiar tone. Having a brand new theme that isnt licensed you have a obligation to fill in former shoes and it usually dosent work out too well

[Anonymous No.9603439]

>>9603332
>a Lego themed machine
this is a pretty good idea desu senpai

Are the Ninja Turtles kid friendly enough? They got a new table recently did they not?
What other popular "kid friendly" IPs would make for a good table?
A pokemon physical table?

[Anonymous No.9603473]

>>9603439
candyland

[Anonymous No.9603535]

>>9603332
A Scooby Doo table is coming out soon.

[Anonymous No.9603902]

>>9603535
And a Velma table based on the hit new Velma show

[Anonymous No.9604034]

>>9603332
>the disney tax on TS4 really hurts to see.
Well it is the first ever table based on a Disney/Pixar animated film

[Anonymous No.9604151]

>you are at a tournament and THAT machine is in the pool

Whats its name?

World Cup Soccer drives me up the fucking wall in any tournament, i dont feel like im getting anywhere at any time

[Anonymous No.9604160]

>>9604151
I don't play in tournaments, many of the people are not fun at all. But they play well, which is boring because you won't play much.

[Anonymous No.9604265]

>>9604160
Honestly it really depends on the venue and people. Ive been to one in St.Louis that was a small venue divided into 3 buildings and it had some of the most friendly people out there. Some other one i went to i forget where it was only stern machines and a few outliers, lot of good players but no one talking much.

The best tournaments are a mix of old and new, especially amateurs who are rising up. Nothin like goin against boomers who you can share a beer wjth

[Anonymous No.9604740]

Can you even nudge and bangback a Hercules Pinball?

[Anonymous No.9604893]

Yea a friend of mine had a Batman pinball machine at home and it was awesome

[Anonymous No.9604919]

anyone ever get to play indiana jones? the launcher is a fucking gun. good shit

[Anonymous No.9604965]

>>9604919
Yeah, it's an amazing machine despite a simple layout. But I'm not a fan of autoplungers, even if they're gun shaped.

[Anonymous No.9604976]

>>9604919
Demolition Man rules because the flippers are on trigger handles

[Anonymous No.9605303]

>>9604160
there are some psychopathic leftists in my pinball scene. not fun.

[Anonymous No.9605337]

>>9604919
Its a pretty fun game, have you ever gotten to do the easter egg in the video mode? Love showin that to friends

[Anonymous No.9605346]

>>9604740
Its probably possible but do you wanna snap your wrists in half while doing it is the question

[Anonymous No.9605387]

>>9603439
>a lego themed table

Same anon but some thoughts for structure
>spinner shot by a 3rd flipper builds small structures, every rotation adds a brick and you hear the lego star wars building sound
>Lego Island refrences in the art/animation plus a song selection including Brick by Brick and a easter egg seleciton of MAMA PAPA, BRICKOLINI
>final boss mode is a battle of a oversized NZXT robot and after completing it earns you MINDSTORM MULTIBALL wizard mode

I wouldnt want it to focus on one thing that lego has done but a celebration of old and new

[Anonymous No.9605474]

>>9605387
I think a lego table would mainly be focused on the movies.

[Anonymous No.9605519]

>>9605303
It's time to share stories, anon.

[Anonymous No.9605523]

>>9605474
In reality it would be cause its the more current thing but mixing maybe the characters from there and older stuff too would be a dream. Just something more outside the box than movie moments ya know

[Anonymous No.9605529]

>>9605523
Maybe if it was a digital table they would be more willing to do older stuff.
Like Pinball FX just announced a Brothers in Arms table and that last got a console release in 2008.

[Anonymous No.9605568]

>>9605529
Wow i completely forgot about that franchise. Interesting. And yeah it could be good for virtual as a compromise.

[Anonymous No.9606535]

>>9605474
>>9605523

I haven't seen any Lego movies but don't they rely heavily on licensed properties like the games do now?
As in Batman and Star Wars and all that junk, it sounds like a nightmare paying for more IPs on top of the Lego license just for one pinball table.
If someone would create a Lego themed table it would logistically make sense just to use original Lego themes, like back when Lego had original themes like the pirates and the space and the city and shit. Sounds like a good idea for a multi-table video game rather than a physical table.

[Anonymous No.9606561]

>>9605529
Is there a way to use one of these new LCD widescreen TV's sideways to make a virtual table with Williams and gotleib collection? Perhaps a ROM hack of the PS2/gc games that change the aspect ratio? Sounds doable.

[Anonymous No.9606760]

>>9606535
>I haven't seen any Lego movies but don't they rely heavily on licensed properties like the games do now?
Nah the licensed properties are mostly side characters apart from Batman.

[Anonymous No.9606776]

>>9606561
It would be better to make a virtual table using Visual Pinball or Pinball FX as they have native Cabinet Modes.
Also I think a regular modern TV would be too heavy to make into a table, you would need a special thin panel.

[Anonymous No.9607749]

>>9587060
Woahhoho, lol. One of my friends had this machine at his house about 20 years ago. It was pretty fun, if generic, but the thing I remember most is how it was broken every other time I went over there. His dad was endlessly frustrated by it.

[Anonymous No.9608065]

I have this thing, it's the only half decent thing atgames has ever made. The arcade controller add on makes it nice for vertical shooters

[Anonymous No.9608529]

How does this make you feel?

[Anonymous No.9608757]

>>9608529
I don't care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯