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What is the Appeal of the Mario RPG Games? are these Games really made for Kids or for Older Fans aka Manchildren?

>> No.9732494

They're simple but fun

>> No.9732529

>>9732481
The original Mario RPG for SNES has a very distinctive vibe. It honestly feels very little like Mario, and kind of feels like its own universe, probably because of the Square collab. Never really got into the other ones because they just didn't feel the same. I'd at least recommend trying the ones for SNES.

>> No.9732539

They are made for kids. They are some of my alltime favorite games but that is largely nostalgia.

That said they do have a lot of charm, and are pretty quick and breezy fun games. If you like all ages content like Mario in general then there’s a good chance you’ll enjoy them. If kid friendly fare is offputting to you then obviously you wont.

Paper Mario 1 and 2 are easy enough that they may not be stimulating from a gameplay standpoint, but also offer the most customization and allow for the hardest challenge runs. If you never upgrade your health for example, a first time playthrough should have engaging battles even for an adult.

Likely not ‘best games ever’ status for anyone who didnt grow up with them but they’re solid games.

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>>9732481
Super Mario RPG is more kiddy, but Paper Mario has writing that older people will appreciate, especially the Wii one, as bad as it may be gameplay wise.

>> No.9732563

>>9732481
They're just good anon. Don't overthink it.

>> No.9732578

>>9732481
What's the appeal of any RPG games? are they made for disabled people or pussies who can't actually get good and need to level up to get artificially good?

>> No.9732593

>>9732481
Let's be real. Liking things is for children.
Us REAL adults knows everything and everyone sucks.

>> No.9732635

>>9732481
They're good.

>> No.9732680

>>9732551
The Wii one is my fave. GC is the second best IMO. But the whole series is neat and fun even sticker star isn't bad.

>> No.9732812

>>9732593
Too real bro

>> No.9732820

>>9732481
The gameplay is actually more interesting than the vast majority of JRPGs, and the writing too has the charm and simplicity that is lost on most of them.

>> No.9732961

Paper Mario is pretty average until you realize how fun the badge system is. Also Paper Mario 64 is better than TTYD because they put a limit to your lunacy instead of letting you equip 5+ power rush badges with 5 max HP.

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>>9732481
They are fun, fun party members, fun writing and a fun battle system RPG, Paper 1 & 2 and the first three Mario & Luigi games are all just a great time.

>> No.9733028

>>9732961
64 is also better than TTYD because you actually have to explore instead of walking back and forth across a linear area listening to funny dialogue

>> No.9733042

>>9732820
>The gameplay is actually more interesting than the vast majority of JRPGs

So having to press a button when an attack connects is inherently more interesting to you than any form of strategy?

>> No.9733089

>>9733042
>JRPG
>strategy
you're funny

>> No.9733129

Its a great series, nuff said.

>> No.9733157

They are decent games. Nintendo RPGs are always vastly overrated because their fans rarely delve deeper into genres. It's a fun chapter based romp, but nothing particularly engaging.

>> No.9733451

>>9732481
They are enjoyable adventures that come close to finding a great balance between more action game play and RPG style play. If it didn't involve Mario would you ask this question?

>> No.9733462

They're fun.
>Are they for kids or manchildren
Who gives a shit? You do know where you're posting right?

>> No.9733974

>>9732481
>What is the Appeal of the Mario RPG Games?
RPG/JRPG comedies are quite uncommon. The humor of Lunar and Grandia was a by product of the translation, whereas the Mario RPGs are a rare example of comedies in the genre.
It's also interesting that main conflicts in many of these games are local, whereas most JRPG's are about saving the entire world.
One of the reasons why people love games like Tactics Ogre and FF12 is because of their locality, which gives them a sense of realism, and surprisingly enough, most of the Mario RPGs share that appeal, while also retaining the bizarre and absurd playfulness of SNES era RPGs.
>are these Games really made for Kids or for Older Fans aka Manchildren?
Yes

>> No.9734951

>>9732539
>Likely not ‘best games ever’ status for anyone who didnt grow up with them but they’re solid games
I played them for the first time a couple of years ago and I definitely consider PM64 one of the best games ever. It's masterfully designed, has an extremely unique art style, and provides just enough challenge (if self-imposed) as to not be too easy.

>> No.9734998

>>9733157
As opposed to?

>> No.9735018

>>9734951
I’m the anon you replied to and you know what, that makes me happy. Glad you enjoyed the game so much anon.

It’s one of my all time favorites too. Maybe I just need to stop double-guessing my nostalgia bias for these games. There are plenty of games I played as a kid that I don’t like as much as these, after all.

>> No.9735020

>>9733042
It's more interesting and dynamic than anything where you hit the same elemental weaknesses in the same ways. I can fuck up a button press at least

>> No.9735026

>>9732481

Just for the record, the Gamecube is not "retro".

The N64 is arguably "retro" at this point, but only if you interpret the term to mean chronological age, not referring to a specific time period (i.e. the 70s through to the end of the 80s).

>> No.9735212

>>9735026
Yes, we interpret retro to apply to games that came out during the 6th gen now.

>> No.9735227

>>9732481
They're just fun games, my man. I don't know what you're asking for. I enjoyed them as a kid and I still enjoy them as a 30 year old.

>> No.9735234

>>9733028
>>9732961
Trying too hard

>> No.9735554

>>9734951
>extremely unique art style
In all fairness, Paper Mario curbs Yoshi's Island pretty heavily for its art style.

>> No.9735578

>>9735026
why are we still having this argument when the sticky exists
can you people not read

>> No.9735608

>>9732481
I like easy rpgs
It's for me

>> No.9735625

>>9735578
Sorry, my bot isn't building its logic correctly. I'll have it intake the stickies first.

>> No.9735670

>>9735026
I too remember when I was 19 and thought my half-baked opinions were superior to well-established ones that I was unaware of due to a lack of studying.

>> No.9735834

>>9735026
>>9735670
I remember when a system was considered retro the moment the new one dropped.

>> No.9736063

>>9735026
GameCube was my first console in 2003. I was in second grade, 20 years ago. It's retro.

More time stands between now and the release of the GameCube than between the release of the GameCube and the release of the NES.

>> No.9736752

>>9732551
The wii game is the best game parody of every rpg games, I don't get why people don't give it credit for that

>> No.9736923

>>9732481
As others have said, they're unique RPGs due to mechanics: Paper Mario gives you a bunch of characters to fight alongside Mario (complete with unique action commands) and has a unique badge system which encourages challenge runs. Mario & Luigi has more standard RPG mechanics and story structure, but a unique two character gameplay system that encourages dodging and counterattacking enemies.
All of them also feature wacky plots and comedy and overall a chance to tell stories in the Mario series world, which results in characters like Bowser, Peach, Luigi and even Mario himself getting more fleshed out than they otherwise would be in the main games.

>> No.9736954

>>9732481
I know it's hard to understand as a Gen Z that can only process information through the filter of YouTubers and what you're told is critical analysis, but in the before times we could get interested in something based off the property.

It was Mario in a new genre. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. But it was Mario doing something new and that was enough to draw us in. It's that simple.

Who were they made for? People that like Mario. That was the demographic. Not a certain age or clumping beyond that. And some Mario fans weren't interested. It didn't make them disloyal fans, it didn't require the rest of us to make hours of videos or hop on social media to castigate them. We just let people play what they wanted or not and didn't feel the drive to constantly separate ourselves into extremes where we pick on each other nonstop over bullshit. Try it out.

>> No.9737310

I feel like the Internet expects you to be a TTYD fan if you play any Mario games at all.

>> No.9737329

>>9736752
Because the game sucks. You should make sure to back your talk up when you decide to shit talk tropes and design conventions.

>> No.9737384

>>9736063
this is cursed logic otherwise we can start talking about dead space and the last of us on this board in two years

>> No.9737420

>>9736752
Nah.
Super's weird in that the stuff around the standard RPG plot is usually absurd (though still in some instances more serious than the other games) while the actual overall plot is played completely straight. The only two twists on the formula are Bowser being one of the four heroes (and he's not really played up as a villain in this game) and Luigi being brainwashed and part of the final boss.
The only time I felt it poked fun at RPG aspects was that you can reject the Pure Heart at the beginning of the game and doom everything, and even then I'm pretty sure Golden Sun or some such game also had that joke.

>> No.9737904

paper mario 64 is one of my favorite games of all time. TTYD is up there as well but falls a bit in my opinion for the fuck ton of backtracking you have to do.
I am biased due to nostalgia but i love coming back to PM64 once every few years. Decent yet rather simple gameplay. great writing/worldbuilding. memorable characters. if you know the badge system you can have some really fun builds. toad town is oozing in soul. fantastic levels.

>> No.9737950

>>9735026
dumb fag.
I can sell my gamecube games for over 100 bucks each so I'd say it's retro enough.

>> No.9738054

>>9732551
That part was the first time I ever got genuinely jump scared by a video game.

>> No.9738372

>>9732481
I enjoyed them when I was a kid but honestly the appeal is broader than that. It isn't like they're really any easier or simpler than your average console RPG anyway, which granted are probably aimed mostly at teens but plenty of Japanese adults still love Dragon Quest, so...

>> No.9738468

>>9732593
The blood on my teeth cannot. You are right though

>> No.9738683

>>9732481
I like the battle system, but I never cared for the story.

>> No.9738949
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>>9732551

>> No.9738996

>>9737420
That's just a play on Paper Mario TTYD. You can just tell the final boss that you decided to side with her and this just ends the game in a game over because you doom the world.

Very little of Super Paper Mario is creative.

>> No.9739367

>>9738949
Francis was /ourguy/