Proof that SNES' Soundchip mogs Megadrive's

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Proof that SNES' Soundchip mogs Megadrive's Anonymous Mon Mar 20 10:39:18 2023 No.9755221 [Reply] [Original]

SNES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zErEEexKLE

Genesis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCx1n6BcRls

Anonymous Mon Mar 20 10:47:34 2023 No.9755235

>>9755221
How much sound RAM do the samples in that SNES track take? Because you have to save some space for sound effects too. On Genesis you only have to keep some specific samples there like drums while the rest of the music instruments are synthesized on the fly.
This is why SNES games with very little sound effects, like JRPGs, have higher quality music in general.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 10:54:55 2023 No.9755242 >mogs you with FM hardware https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot_qRtbtUyU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qxlUuGheYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSMzCew-W-Q Snezz fans in ruins…. nothing personnel, kid…

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 10:58:26 2023 No.9755248 >>9755242 incredibly shrill, needs a low pass filter

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 11:08:46 2023 No.9755262 >>9755221 The snes version is painful to listen to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 11:18:30 2023 No.9755272 >>9755242 It's kind of a shame it loses the 16bit heavy guitars in the synth sounds. Though let's be honest, Genesis did the better 16 bit metal anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTQIiIKummw

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 13:40:29 2023 No.9755421 >>9755242 >auster pretending to like any japanese system or game at all just to spite on the other japanese company he's obsessed with

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 14:33:05 2023 No.9755525 reminder to post real hardware recordings of genesis soundtracks

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 14:48:28 2023 No.9755556 >>9755235 Well that would explain why the Mega Drive has good music but trash sfx lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 14:49:39 2023 No.9755557 >>9755248 this it always annoys me how people don't adjust for lower sample rates on pre 5th gen consoles

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 14:50:45 2023 No.9755558 >>9755242 How about some slower non rock music?

Anonymous Mon Mar 20 14:53:22 2023 No.9755562

>>9755221
Am I meant to be impressed by the SNES version? It sounds like muffled shit, try again, or perhaps, save yourself the embarrassment, as these SNES covers of Mega Drive music always invariably sound far inferior to the originals, whereas Mega Drive covers of SNES music almost always offer a vast improvement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot_qRtbtUyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9PKlQA3eUI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWvbazsrPbc
The SNES, yet again, fails to "mog" anything but itself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 15:00:13 2023 No.9755571 >>9755562 >Complains about clarity >posts crystal clear MD music LMAO

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 15:03:58 2023 No.9755580 based console warriors

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 15:07:01 2023 No.9755585 for me, it's savaged regime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NBqicMz5Zc

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 15:12:41 2023 No.9755595 >>9755221 How about these ones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V8q6Q7TmUw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TlndPCJWBw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubY2S5-j5bI

Anonymous Mon Mar 20 15:13:00 2023 No.9755597

>>9755571
>crystal clear MD music
That is correct, the Mega Drive's vastly superior sound hardware offers many advantages over the newer and more expensive SNES, such as nearly TWO TIMES the sample frequency, 32 khz on SNES vs 56 khz on Mega Drive, and TWO TIMES the bit rate, with 8-bit sample mixing and 9-bit FM on the Mega Drive, vs merely 4-bit compressed samples on the SNES, allowing for crystal clear tones that the SNES can only dream of. You are simply objectively wrong if you are trying to argue the SNES sound hardware is, in any way, "better".
>>9755580
>having preferences for hardware that is not Nintendo makes you a console warrior and Australian

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 15:13:23 2023 No.9755598 >>9755221 There's no way the snezzzz could do Jesper Kyd's music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm2Bnrqvwu4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htbXm0grH3Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2uJKBlf9h8

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 15:13:42 2023 No.9755601 >>9755595 also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW2WISNWsRo

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 15:14:43 2023 No.9755604 >>9755597 >All you need is a triple bypass mod lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 15:16:58 2023 No.9755608 >>9755221 I played a SNES ROM hack the other day that had the Super Mario 64 data screen music in it. Sounded exactly the same as the N64. Fucking threw me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 15:27:27 2023 No.9755623 >>9755595 >upsampled >sound file is over the original 64KB SRAM limit These are cheating. >>9755601 This sounds pretty lame.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 15:31:28 2023 No.9755630 >>9755604 Even without mods, the higher quality of the Mega Drive is apparent. Now, try modding your SNES to get higher quality audio. You can't, because it is not capable of any better.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 15:35:37 2023 No.9755638 >>9755608 Which rom hack?

Anonymous Mon Mar 20 16:04:31 2023 No.9755692

>>9755221
This is the most retarded argument that will never end. The sound chips in each system are vastly different and do different things better than the other. The soundfonts used in the SNES make for better soft and warmer sounds like a good bass or orchestral music whereas the FM synth of the genesis is better at ripping guitars and harsher sounds. It really reflects where each company was at at the time with Sega being more about that grungy edgy angst and Nintendo going for the softer and more family friendly approach until the end of the SNES life.

Anonymous Mon Mar 20 16:14:56 2023 No.9755726

>>9755692
It also shows where both companies were at with their approach to technology. Sega had a refined and classic FM synth while Nintendo chose a rudimentary sample-based approach which would develop into the standard for later audio hardware. Sega had the best of the old world while Nintendo had a taste of the new.

Anonymous Mon Mar 20 16:18:48 2023 No.9755732

>>9755692
This idea that the SNES was "better for orchestral music" needs to die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Tr0Mfzdtk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqjoQ4w3nPw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmOWW9MN1BU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSuBvFvUPz8
Not only could the Mega Drive EASILY do orchestral sounds, but it was capable of doing them at a higher quality than the SNES.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 16:57:08 2023 No.9755837 >>9755732 >cover/fan shit one job, australia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSESwoArwE8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w411BBBvzpk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Wk_Wf2pns

Anonymous Mon Mar 20 17:24:37 2023 No.9755927

>>9755242
"bbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" - Genesis
"wow I love this" - much of /vr/ and 90% of Japanese people from the year 1990

some instruments sound great but there's always at least one that's just buzzing away like a distant chainsaw - such is the curse of FM synthesis done by crappy cheap hardware

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 17:29:14 2023 No.9755937 >>9755927 Better than an underwater orchestra.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 17:33:04 2023 No.9755942 >>9755927 the x2 one is rough and old, but you must be gay if you didn't like the x3 one

Anonymous Mon Mar 20 17:39:28 2023 No.9755952 [DELETED]

>>9755597
>>having preferences for hardware that is not Nintendo makes you a console warrior and Australian
I never specified I was talking about you, australiakun. In fact I was also making fun of OP, who is a nintendo fanboy.
How's life going, btw? Lonely as fuck as always right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 17:45:03 2023 No.9755964 >>9755927 >90% of Japanese people from the year 1990 Huh? I thought MD was a flop.

Anonymous Mon Mar 20 18:13:05 2023 No.9756034

>>9755221
>>9755585
Groovy~
Classic series
https://www.youtu.be/2NiIZ1bVlzI

https://www.youtu.be/aGWVvOG5MAo

https://www.youtu.be/c7bUMQ25MQw

https://www.youtu.be/c7bUMQ25MQw
Bonuse: https://www.youtu.be/qkq_GG6VYRY
X series
https://www.youtu.be/jc0f7c3YVaU

https://www.youtu.be/FaJYDtdMUQA

https://www.youtu.be/4hC0CJs854w
Bonuses: https://www.youtu.be/vWri9CIN9yY

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 18:14:32 2023 No.9756037 >>9755726 >a rudimentary sample-based approach which would develop into the standard for later audio hardware Like one use in Roland or Korg?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 18:17:43 2023 No.9756045 >>9755732 >EASILY do orchestral sounds Your cope again?

Anonymous Mon Mar 20 18:40:53 2023 No.9756098

>>9755927
>such is the curse of FM synthesis done by crappy cheap hardware
Sometimes I wonder why Sega went with a custom chip rather than use something that already existed and sounded better. You'd think something like the YM2151 would've been cheaper too since it was so old and already used everywhere.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 20:27:03 2023 No.9756332 >>9755221 >not posting the better SNES Chrome Gadget You had one job, OP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFwg9-UrHAc

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 20:54:58 2023 No.9756419 >>9756332 LOL. Is the SNES even capable of not sounding like absolute garbage? I've yet to see it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 21:18:44 2023 No.9756491 >>9756419 obvious troll is obvious. instead of buying shitty sega consoles, go buy some functioning ears.

Anonymous Mon Mar 20 21:22:52 2023 No.9756508

>>9756491
How about posting some actual decent SNES music for a change, rather than these baseless "Australian troll" accusations? This thread is meant to be the SNES sound "mogging" the Mega Drive, so, go on then, let's hear it. Nothing in this thread even comes close, thus far all I have seen is droves of excellent Mega Drive music that is well beyond what the SNES is remotely capable of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_Eg_AebChI

Anonymous Mon Mar 20 21:46:33 2023 No.9756565

>>9755221
Should probably use a real hardware recording, your Genesis one sounds a bit shrill and tinny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvPlZhN6TCw&t=4342s

>>9756098
The YM2612 isn't custom, it was used in other systems as well. The YM2151 would require an external DAC to convert the digital FM Synth to analog audio output and has no PCM capabilities requiring another sound chip for PCM playback.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 23:49:08 2023 No.9756843 >>9756565 >>9756098 >YM2151 So what if SNES use low cost Sharp X68K architecture?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 20 23:56:42 2023 No.9756859 it's really weird how much obscure sound chips from old children's toys being better than other obscure sound chips from children's toys means to some people

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 00:00:54 2023 No.9756870 >>9755623 Not reading your useless reply.

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 00:21:48 2023 No.9756907 [DELETED]

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>>9756508
okay, i didn't want to waste time with an obvious idiot troll like you, but since you asked for getting mogged THIS hard...
>GeneSHIT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U0Z2Df3qC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4WidvBcscg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbroOMBYBYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7zRrgGxkg8

>Super NintenCHAD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QuwQMmngS0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyylcKh4ung
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNgnjuH4HoE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDCacRUxscI

now you can STFU.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 01:06:59 2023 No.9756993 File: 66 KB, 640x480, ha1yfxyoe0f61.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9755630 >your audio cable sir

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 01:14:22 2023 No.9757007 >>9755221 Apples and oranges. While you schizos console war, I get to enjoy the unique sound from both machines.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 01:29:09 2023 No.9757039 >>9755732 These are pretty shit anon You could've just used Climax games

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 01:35:27 2023 No.9757057 >>9755562 >vast improvement Nah, gonna tell apart. https://www.youtu.be/-9AUZGihil4 https://www.youtu.be/ac1S-ZaCIEQ https://www.youtu.be/OBrSV6kihYI https://www.youtu.be/B7eZ4jmqts4 https://www.youtu.be/-Jkrl_rKE7U https://youtu.be/z91lbdV-2zw

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 01:38:13 2023 No.9757060

>>9755562
You quality of music you can pull off with the SNES is superior to the Genesis.
Just look at David Wise's work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZIjHmuqHCE
And before you go
>Analysis video
The video was well done enough that David Wise himself commented and further explained how he did things.

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 03:24:39 2023 No.9757225
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>>9756907
SNES Doom sounds like muffled shit, yet again, not impressed. 32X Doom is well known to not make good use of the superior Mega Drive sound hardware, so try this on for size: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FehpU0sjXrQ
Yet again, it seems the SNES is the only one being mogged here.
>>9757057
These sound like shitty muffled MIDI files that I would download off Geocities. Is this really the best you have?
>>9757060
Again, the Mega Drive covers of this game's music sound vastly superior: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rchnNT4mULw
So far none of you have managed to defend this ill-conceived argument that the Mega Drive somehow has inferior audio capabilities, in fact, it seems more obvious than ever that the opposite is true. But, if you need any further proof, I offer you this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWVmPtr9O0g
Mega Drive does.

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 03:52:27 2023 No.9757271

>>9755692
The SNES hardware is also better with sound tables and midi-style arrangements, whereas the Genesis's synth requires you to treat it like a real musical instrument to get the most out of it. With proper utilization the Yamaha synth chip is capable of fantastic audio, but at the end of the day it's something completely different in tone and style from what the Snes chip offered.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 03:54:21 2023 No.9757278 >>9757039 This dude is completely batshit insane, or a troll. At least the videos are really cool and sound pretty interesting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 04:56:32 2023 No.9757382 They both sounded like shit when utilized by shitty composers. Genesis: fart music SNES: horns It wasn't until the mid 90's, after DKC was released, that they realized they didn't need to use the horn samples.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 04:59:50 2023 No.9757387 File: 29 KB, 625x352, ClavE3yUYAAERGF.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeyEGebJ1l4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtxWlTIWRHo

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 07:31:09 2023 No.9757610

>>9757057

It is possible to sample the MD/ Genesis notes/ sounds and play them back through the SNES PCM channels. But the sample quality would probably not be as clean as the MD/ Genesis output. Though some of the NA genesis models do have worse sounding audio than other models. On real hardware, you could get the SNES to sound close enough.

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 07:49:44 2023 No.9757631

>>9757225
Doom definitely sounds better. The DKC arrangements are impressive in that they still invoke a similar feeling to the originals, but I don't think they "mog" the originals at all. I think the Genesis and SNES just shine with different styles of music, and that's what makes each console beautiful.

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 08:00:52 2023 No.9757654 [DELETED]

>>9755692
>The soundfonts used in the SNES make for better soft and warmer sounds like a good bass or orchestral music whereas the FM synth of the genesis is better at ripping guitars and harsher sounds.

I am not an expert on audio at all. But one of the biggest complaints about mega Drive/ genesis games were games that used the GEM's driver. For the most part those complaints are valid. Because, GEM's really does seem to be a good software suite, but the problem is that most third parties would use the default instrumentation. Resulting in a lot of bad sounding games. But the composers that actually fine tuned the instrumentation, did get some really good results. Comix Zone, Dune II, EWJ 1 and 2. For me, the equivalent for this on the SNES was the default audio font tat Nintendo supplied. Because it seems like Nintendo had a audio font made for third parties, and it mostly seems like the same one used in Super Mario World. Or it has many of the same instrument samples. But I guess third party devs could use their own audio fonts too. Many third parties would use the ones Nintendo seemed to supply with the dev kits. So you would hear many of the same trumpet, electric/ acrostic guitar, drum sounds, piano, samples. I'm not saying the SNES standard soundfont is bad. But it did help deliver a lot of same-y soundtracks for the system. Also reverb was quite popular on the SNES.

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 08:06:50 2023 No.9757664

>>9755692
>The soundfonts used in the SNES make for better soft and warmer sounds like a good bass or orchestral music whereas the FM synth of the genesis is better at ripping guitars and harsher sounds.

I am not an expert on audio at all. But one of the biggest complaints about Mega Drive/ Genesis games were games that used the GEM's driver. For the most part those complaints are valid. GEM's appears to be a good software suite, but the problem is that most third parties would use the default pre-set instrumentation. Resulting in a lot of bad sounding games. But there were some composers that would fine tune the instrumentation and get some good results. Comix Zone, Dune II, EWJ 1 and 2. For me, the equivalent for this on the SNES was the default audio font tat Nintendo supplied. Because it seems like Nintendo had a audio font made for third parties, and it mostly seems like the same one used in Super Mario World. Or it has many of the same instrument samples. But I guess third party devs could use their own audio fonts too. Many third parties would use the ones Nintendo seemed to supply with the dev kits. So you would hear many of the same trumpet, electric/ acrostic guitar, drum sounds, piano, samples. I'm not saying the SNES standard soundfont is bad. But it did help deliver a lot of same-y soundtracks for the system. Also reverb was quite popular on the SNES.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 08:31:44 2023 No.9757692 >>9755221 Was there any ever doubt though? I mean, from people who had played any reasonable amount of games on both?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 08:35:20 2023 No.9757697 >>9756037 Is that what they use in 5th and 6th gen consoles?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 11:57:28 2023 No.9757936 >>9757225 >These sound like shitty muffled Over the year ago, moron

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 13:31:57 2023 No.9758098 >>9757225 Why do you keep pretending to care about MD or japanese games in general, australia-kun?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 18:11:37 2023 No.9758693 >>9757610 Trying to sample FM usually ends up sounding terrible. FM wave-forms are too dynamic to be sampled efficiently. Looping samples are particularly problematic as many FM patches do not loop exactly resulting in nasty looping artifacts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 18:17:28 2023 No.9758713 >>9757664 I think GEM's sounding terrible might be a myth created by emulators. GEM's patches cause my ears to bleed on emulator, but sound perfectly fine on real hardware.

Anonymous Tue Mar 21 22:11:51 2023 No.9759278
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>>9757225
Don’t mind if I do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpmn1qOfaeM&pp=ygUVdHdpbGlnaHQgZXhwcmVzcyBzbmVz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjTrkjB-OB0&pp=ygUhYmF0dGxlIG1hbmlhIGRhaWdpbmpvdSBzbmVzIHJlbWl4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aclvRg96Xnw&pp=ygUhYmF0dGxlIG1hbmlhIGRhaWdpbmpvdSBzbmVzIHJlbWl4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Za8UJT8uIo&pp=ygUhYmF0dGxlIG1hbmlhIGRhaWdpbmpvdSBzbmVzIHJlbWl4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3FOxrejCzk&pp=ygUhYmF0dGxlIG1hbmlhIGRhaWdpbmpvdSBzbmVzIHJlbWl4

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 21 22:36:25 2023 No.9759320 >>9757225 I love the YM2612, but 32X Doom's music was a disaster.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 01:22:47 2023 No.9759703 >>9759320 FM chip got toilet vibe

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 02:01:45 2023 No.9759797 >>9759703 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RURSgZoz2vM

Anonymous Wed Mar 22 02:10:56 2023 No.9759820
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>>9755221
The takeaway I got from this thread is Japanese music sucks. It always sounds so tacky and cringeworthy. The SNES had Tim Follin, the Mega Drive had Jesper Kyd, but no matter which system the j*ps used, they simply couldn't write music.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 02:39:21 2023 No.9759868 >>9759820 >JP You don’t look deep inside, fool

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 03:03:02 2023 No.9759920 didn't read this thread but the snes sounds horrendous whilst you have to really go out of your way to find a bad mega drive soundtrack. only exception is tim follin/plok which someone already posted

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 03:14:52 2023 No.9759942 >>9759820 >yuro shit yikes

Anonymous Wed Mar 22 03:40:08 2023 No.9760008

They both can sound great or shitty depending on who did the music and how much of a shit they gave. SNES can sound like shitty compressed samples, classic example is those sad ass horn samples, Genesis can sound abrasive and shrill, but there's great music done with both. I think maybe the SNES favored composers that weren't planning on working as hard due to the default sound libraries being roughly equivalent to Casio keyboard presets, it can only sound SO bad, whereas if someone phones in a Genesis soundtrack it could be a substantially worse result for the same amount of effort. Adventures of Batman and Robin OST for the Genesis is a masterpiece, as is the OST for Psycho Dream on the SNES. I like experimental and industrial sounding music so I tend to prefer the MD whereas the SNES is probably more favored by the kinds of people that click those "lo-fi beats to x to" videos. Neither is objectively better, it's just what you like.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 03:45:45 2023 No.9760018 >>9755221 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOi4THSUKfE

Anonymous Wed Mar 22 03:58:54 2023 No.9760048

>>9755221
The Mega Drive offers a great number of advantages in sound over the SNES, despite that it is a full 2 years older and much cheaper hardware, these include more channels, with 10 in a typical setup, but as many as up to 28 when using individual operator key-on and frequency controls and software PCM mixing, this is compared to the SNES mere 8 at all times, higher sample rate, with 52 khz frequency, compared to the SNES muffled 32 khz, higher bitrate, with 8-bit uncompressed, as opposed to the SNES mere 4-bit lossy compressed audio, no audio RAM bottleneck on Mega Drive, with it fully able to stream directly from the cartridge, compared to the miniscule 64 kbs audio RAM bottleneck on the SNES, and more audio synthesis techniques available, with FM, PCM, and PSG available for use, as opposed to the SNES which can only do PCM. SNES audio was severely muffled, dull, lifeless, flat, overly saturated with reverb, and oftentimes suffered from serious tuning issues, none of these issues were apparent on the Mega Drive, and many fans have ported SNES music to the Mega Drive and thoroughly improved it in the process, whereas attempts to do the opposite, porting Mega Drive music to the SNES, always and invariably finds the SNES version lacking by comparison, failing to even match the Mega Drive original versions. By all objective measures, the SNES audio was actually quite poor, the Mega Drive having it categorically and thoroughly beaten in that regard, and many other regards as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 04:02:15 2023 No.9760057 >>9760048 >beaten This just in guys Electric guitar beats the Violin at sound?

Anonymous Wed Mar 22 04:37:54 2023 No.9760152
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>>9759942
>Delia Derbyshire
>ELP
>Tangerine Dreams
>Giorgio Moroder
>The Alan Parsons Project
>Kraftwerk
>Vangelis
>Jeff Wayne
>Ultravox
>The Communards
Yuros invented electronic music as we know it. They understood that we're not supposed to emulate studio recorded music with cheap sound hardware, but take full advantage of its very own strengths and quirks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 07:31:42 2023 No.9760430 File: 40 KB, 400x660, images (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9760152 all wankers

Anonymous Wed Mar 22 07:39:06 2023 No.9760445

>>9760018
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOi4THSUKfE [Remove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmHYZ81Z3W0&list=PL956899B75CB7C6C7&index=6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xo7vHLclXg&list=PL956899B75CB7C6C7&index=7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CWLx_RgisM&list=PL956899B75CB7C6C7&index=8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_vdZTFYQk8&list=PL956899B75CB7C6C7&index=11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZPMoZp0d_c&list=PL956899B75CB7C6C7&index=14

Frank Klepacki did compose music on GEMS. Closest the system had to C&C sounding music. .

Anonymous Wed Mar 22 07:50:08 2023 No.9760461

>>9758713
>I think GEM's sounding terrible might be a myth created by emulators. GEM's patches cause my ears to bleed on emulator, but sound perfectly fine on real hardware.

GEMS itself actually seems pretty comprehensive and has some interesting features:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmcDEQ0QkKk

But there are some youtube videos that cover it, and do show that there are quite a few third party games that use the default sounds. Which were apparently a bit untuned. the software can be downloaded here:

https://segaretro.org/GEMS

I think it runs in dosbox?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 07:56:55 2023 No.9760475 I don't need "proof" to know good music sounds good. I used to plug my snes into my stereo and record that shit on cassette tape. Why would I click that shit?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 07:58:15 2023 No.9760476 >>9759820 that's crazy. the dudes you posted are incredible, but there's no way you can also ignore people like koji konda and nobuo uematsu if you actually enjoy and care about music as an artform

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 08:42:40 2023 No.9760542 >>9760476 I enjoy their music just alright, but if jochen hippel worked for nintendo or square enix, it would be him on everyone's playlist instead of them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 11:24:18 2023 No.9760780 The Genesis had better musical potential due to superior audio hardware, but ultimately SNES had better music due to being the more popular system and thus attracting better composers for bigger budgets projects for the system. /thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 11:24:57 2023 No.9760783 fm synth sounds like shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 14:21:47 2023 No.9761041 >>9760783 shit taste, fm is peak

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 14:25:38 2023 No.9761049 >>9760542 >this is what yuros actually think lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 14:44:05 2023 No.9761097 >>9755927 Nigga wtf, the bbzzzzzzz is the best part of Genesis music. It's one reason why I like Master Boot Record so much.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 14:50:05 2023 No.9761106 >>9756993 Your garloid looks sick

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 14:55:34 2023 No.9761112 File: 43 KB, 533x594, 1678518437556785.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9755221 You call THAT proof? lol (lmao)

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 14:58:17 2023 No.9761115 Snes was an awful console with a chronic case of nogames but I almost wore my genesis out from overuse, it's quite funny seeing /vr/ tell me the opposite when unlike /vr/ I actually had both as a child

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 16:05:06 2023 No.9761246 >>9761115 This has got to be some of the lowest effort bait I’ve seen on this board

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 16:06:13 2023 No.9761249 >>9761246 Yet you took it anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 17:04:49 2023 No.9761401 File: 172 KB, 1301x790, img_14645.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9760152 >blocks your path

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 17:21:24 2023 No.9761440 File: 11 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9761115 This, the Mega Drive, PC Engine, X68000, and Neo Geo all mog the SNES, I shall never understand why the SNES gets put on it's pedestal. >>9760048 End thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 17:28:38 2023 No.9761457 >>9755221 Mario Kart sounding ass.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 17:29:13 2023 No.9761458 >>9760783 You know I'm gonna respect your opinion but the usage of "fm synth" on this board is stupid and it gots to go

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 17:30:40 2023 No.9761460 >>9761440 Amiga mogs them all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 17:32:58 2023 No.9761462 File: 161 KB, 1600x1363, neogeo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9755221 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9cBI_sfBU8

Anonymous Wed Mar 22 17:35:36 2023 No.9761467
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>>9761460
I don't disagree, the Amiga has an excellent and underrated library of 3D games running on stock hardware that outperform the SNES even WITH it's cheating, expensive FX chip expansions, not to mention it's incredible selection of RPGs and strategy games that run full circles around anything that was found on the "RPG powerhouse" SNES, the Amiga was certainly a titan of the 16-bit era, right along with the Mega Drive, PC Engine, X68000, and Neo Geo, and all of them are leagues ahead of the SNES. Don't you dare bring it up on this board though, or you'll be dogpiled and called Australian.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 17:36:34 2023 No.9761468 File: 725 KB, 730x730, CD-ROM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9755221 >Mog all your chip based soundtracks Nothing personal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 17:37:53 2023 No.9761473 File: 532 KB, 867x600, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Not hearing any difference but Sega is for weirdos

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 17:39:39 2023 No.9761476 File: 125 KB, 1280x851, Sega-Mega-CD-with-Mega-Drive_on_top-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9761468 And guess what has a CD drive? The Mega Drive, PC Engine, Amiga, X68000, and Neo Geo. Not the SNES.

Anonymous Wed Mar 22 17:42:09 2023 No.9761482

>>9755597
The issue is that most emulators cant reproduce Genny music properly. I say must cause BlastEm exists but nobody brings it up, and before that there wwre just unfiltered bad music rips over the years, and add to that the flatness and samey sound of all the games that used the default GEMS sound driver, which were the majority.

Anonymous Wed Mar 22 17:58:46 2023 No.9761523 [DELETED]

>>9761467
The obsession you have with the Super Nintendo is cute. Basically, you hate it because it's a Nintendo-branded system.
>noooo but, the cpu is slow! look at these numbers on the on-papers specs! Please ignore all the games these countless good Japanese developers made for it! Pay attention to my Amiga demo scene!
Nobody cares about Amiga games for a reason, auster. It was a good computer for video and audio editing, but the good developers were on Japanese systems, and Super Nintendo is one of them
>nooooo but nintendoooooo
yeah.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 18:16:22 2023 No.9761565 >>9761523 >all the games these countless good Japanese developers made for it! ah, mario, zelda...the list simply goes on

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 18:18:51 2023 No.9761574 >>9757664 Even when some Brits and some Amerifats bother to edit the instrumentation, its still pale in comparison to what the japs were able to code with no tracking software, so yeah, GEMS was GIMP'd

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 18:22:19 2023 No.9761585 >>9761523 Losers always mad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 18:26:09 2023 No.9761598 >>9761574 I didn't know Chris Huelsbeck was Japanese.

Anonymous Wed Mar 22 18:39:37 2023 No.9761637 [DELETED]

>>9761523
>the good developers were on Japanese systems, and Super Nintendo is one of them
The good developers, such as
>Nintendo, who made shallow games intended for toddlers
>Capcom, who made far better versions of Street Fighter II on the Mega Drive and PC Engine, and were completely mogged by Sega with Final Fight by the far superior Streets of Rage II
>Konami, who made much better counterparts to their SNES games on the PC Engine, Mega Drive, and X68000
>Squaresoft, who only started making games anyone gave a shit about on the PlayStation

Anonymous Wed Mar 22 19:30:29 2023 No.9761761

>>9755235
>How much sound RAM do the samples in that SNES track take?
spc700 has access to 64kb but that RAM also needs to contain music data, the music player, FIR/DSP data and u-law adpcm samples. you can stream samples from cart ROM but it's slow. if the samples are high quality 16-bit then they can sound amazing.

Anonymous Wed Mar 22 19:42:07 2023 No.9761787

>>9761574
> its still pale in comparison to what the japs were able to code with no tracking software, so yeah, GEMS was GIMP'd
the euros were doing the same as the japs: programming their own ym/spc play routines. only difference was the jap's extensive use of mml that dated back to the early days of jap home computers. euros usually had their own custom assembly syntaxes or converted things from midi,mod etc. to whatever custom format. david wise from rare wrote his music for dk country using a text editor and an assembler.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 19:49:19 2023 No.9761817 >>9755221 >irritating sustained samples that sound like the chip is malfunctioning >pointless reverb that sounds like it's in a wind tunnel Literally only good for faux orchestral songs and nothing else >>9756332 Is that supposed to be a joke?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 19:49:50 2023 No.9761819 >>9759820 Yuzo Koshiro and Hideki Naganuma just to name two >>9760542 >jochen hippel He's good too. I really fail to see how your nationality could determine your artistic ability, seems like a bunch of nationalistic posturing really

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 19:57:27 2023 No.9761836 >>9759820 >The SNES had Tim Follin You mean mega drive had Tim Follin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y45S-a-AaTQ&list=PLPAbo-cOSKYw1jpD7Qgpxe3IdvQwEB7-8

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 20:00:08 2023 No.9761838 >>9760152 >implying using hardware for its strengths and quirks is exclusive to a nationality and not inherent to the creative-minded I'll be tongue-in-cheek and mention Silver Apples, Frankie Knuckles, and Lou Reed. Also Boredoms

Anonymous Wed Mar 22 20:03:25 2023 No.9761845
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>>9756508
I can't imagine still console warring decades after these systems have come out. Both consoles have loads of fantastic tracks. Just enjoy the music and quit your faggotry.

https://youtu.be/9gpu1GHRymY
https://youtu.be/N3WwJhBEr5Y
https://youtu.be/qIGB5mmx_lk
https://youtu.be/SUGDp39srk0

Anonymous Wed Mar 22 20:28:11 2023 No.9761908

>>9761845
>Just enjoy the music
Maybe I would if you would stop posting muffled MIDI shit. Thinking the SNES sounds like shit is not "console warring", sorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kP7174rbHc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmrQBxgaJI4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr3UGSL3gWk
Although, I do find it quite amusing that I can look up nearly every relevant SNES song and find a superior Mega Drive version. :D

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 20:35:58 2023 No.9761929 >>9761908 you are such a boring loser

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 20:37:37 2023 No.9761939 >>9761929 cope

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 20:39:06 2023 No.9761946 >>9761929 He just pathetic fanboy (spic, Dan etc) Best to ignore them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 20:57:07 2023 No.9761996 >>9761939 nothing to cope about, i enjoy both. you're the one who has too cope with your narrow appreciation of music and autistic fits at the sight of disagreement

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 21:03:32 2023 No.9762012 >>9761467 >>9761476 See>>9756843

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 21:08:28 2023 No.9762026 >>9761585 >>9761939 Double the copium

Anonymous Wed Mar 22 21:29:18 2023 No.9762076 [DELETED]

>>9761523
Why does /vr/ hate auster anyway?
From what I gather if this person really exists their beliefs are as follows
>Nintendo hardware is notoriously undercooked because of their relentless need to profit no matter how petty
>Treasure games are plagued with mediocre or half-implemented gimmicks
>CV4 is not a good Castlevania experience
I agree with all of those, and I've never seen someone dispute them without namecalling
And microcomputers are cool, there's a reason they have very healthy demo/homebrew scenes today, useless eaters can seethe all they want

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 21:35:40 2023 No.9762094 I love how the "SNES versions" are just low quality samples (when under the 64k limit) of the Mega Drive, as if they know they can't beat it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 22 21:36:53 2023 No.9762097 SNES sound chip just sounds like a bad Amiga sound chip.

Anonymous Wed Mar 22 23:10:24 2023 No.9762337

>>9762097
it can sound much better than amiga but musicians for snes productions took very little advantage of the chip and gave it a bad reputation. these faggots didn't know how to program the filter or echo effects properly. it's a combination of shit musicians and really bad music drivers that never took full advantage of the apu.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 00:43:12 2023 No.9762523 >>9762094 I love how audiophiles think clarity is the only thing that matters LMAO

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 01:44:42 2023 No.9762642 The following video will make the auster fucking kill himself at long last: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au_CTlKU_7o

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 01:51:01 2023 No.9762654 [DELETED]

>>9762642
Muffled shit, as always. All this cover "proves" is that you can suck the life out of Mega Drive music by trying to put it on the SNES.
Please get better material, guys. This thread is supposed to be the SNES soundchip "mogging" the Mega Drive, so where is it? So far, not a single convincing example, but several examples to the contrary.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 01:51:58 2023 No.9762657 >>9762654 >>9762523

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 02:06:30 2023 No.9762689

>>9761819
>I really fail to see how your nationality could determine your artistic ability,
it's not about artistic ability, but cultural differences. The european video game scene was filled with young people who grew up listening to club music, techno, rave, hip hop, new wave, and so on. Electronic music and upbeat experimental music were huge in europe. Japan was not the same, and japanese companies which were bigger at the time, wanted safer and more sterile musicians to score their games, rather than scout for new talents at the demoscenes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 02:08:21 2023 No.9762696 File: 65 KB, 1108x212, (y).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9761946 >>9761996 Oops! All Cope

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 02:08:26 2023 No.9762698 >>9762654 Hi bausseyfag

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 02:18:41 2023 No.9762718

>>9762337
>musicians for snes productions took very little advantage of the chip and gave it a bad reputation
It had an advantage in having more channels, but the chip only had 64K of RAM. It was very much constrained by memory because nintendo wanted it to also function as a cache for the failed sony CD expansion. Streaming from the cart was not an option because the sound data was packed in 64KB chunks, it would eat up too much ROM. If it had something like 196K, it'd sound as good as the Amiga. Devs had to work with really, really small sound samples on the SNES. Meanwhile, the Amiga had 512K you could freely use, minus the graphics data and screen buffer of course, but that would still leave you with over 320K to work with.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 02:22:05 2023 No.9762725 >>9762076 Because you spam the board with your nintendo obsession

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 02:27:27 2023 No.9762732 >>9762654 This isn't very muffled to me bausseyfag, almost like a lot of MD music just used all those channels to get over lacking basic hardware shit like stereo panning and reverb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5K3yIZX9sA

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 02:27:53 2023 No.9762735 >>9762718 It doesn't even have more channels. >5 FM channels >4 PSG channels >Up to 4 PCM channels Even if the PCM channels aren't being used, it's still 10 on Mega Drive vs merely 8 on the SNES.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 02:28:10 2023 No.9762737 >>9762689 Bro you just don't like jazz its ok

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 02:31:28 2023 No.9762740

>>9761467
That's true, the amiga had the superior blitter accelerated bitmap graphics. It could render 2D and 3D games just fine. The only downside was the 8 sprite limit, although it could be overcome by multiplexing the sprites it was still inferior to the object controller the mega drive and snes had, but that's understandable because it's produced in 1985.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 02:33:27 2023 No.9762746 >>9762737 In Japanese games? More like lounge """jazz""".

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 02:34:32 2023 No.9762748 >>9762735 I was comparing it to Amiga's PAULA chip.

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 02:47:15 2023 No.9762761
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>>9762689
Europe has more roots with the Punk scene than it does House/Club/Techno/Rave or Hip Hop, that was culture imported from America. The same culture that was imported into Japan at the same time because music is internationally distributed, even underground stuff. What, did you completely forget about Beatmania?

Just to make my point:
>"Liam Howlett [of The Prodigy] cited early electro as a big influence, mentioning tunes like "Clear" by American music group Cybotron and "Al Naafiysh" by Hashim [also American]. He also cited the Bomb Squad [American], Public Enemy [American], and Rage Against the Machine [you get it] as influences."

There were international tinkerers of early electronic music:
>Luigi Russolo
>Halim El-Dabh
>Pierre Schaeffer
>Karlheinz Stockhausen
>Raymond Scott
>Daphne Oram
>Morton Subotnick
>Wendy Carlos
but a major part of the house and club scene's foundation specifically is American due to Frankie Knuckles and his DJ performances starting from 1977 at a venue called The Warehouse (thus "House" music) where his performances were bootlegged and distributed internationally and inspired countless people to make their own music. Culture may have a tangible origin but as it is internationally distributed and celebrated it mixes with new ideas and creates new ideas and thus new culture.

The evolution of ideas can't be pierced by a flag and claiming any one scene/genre/etc. as belonging to a specific nation is ultimately meaningless when some other idea inevitably builds upon the first idea and becomes even bigger: Check out the evolution of House music if you're interested, but that'll be all I say on the matter here. Play Beatmania.

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 03:00:37 2023 No.9762780

>>9762748
Even then, the SNES still does not have more channels. The Amiga is capable of mixing multiple PCM channels in software, using the famous OctaMED engine, for 8 channels, matching the SNES capabilities. This is a trick the SNES is not capable of due both the lack of CPU speed, and the ADPCM compressed samples format.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 03:17:52 2023 No.9762819 >>9762689 This is so historically dishonest, I don't know even know where to begin.

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 03:56:58 2023 No.9762865

>>9762761
>that was culture imported from America
I did not deny that, all I'm saying is the european game development scene was filled with kids as young as 15 who loved those stuff. It also took a bit longer for those music to get popular in Japan.
>beatmania
It's a 1997 game. The PS1 enabled newer and smaller studios to appear, and fresh talents started populating game companies. The GitS game had gabber music for crying out loud.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 04:05:17 2023 No.9762873 >>9762780 >not capable of due both the lack of CPU speed This not SNES vs Genesis debate?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 04:06:48 2023 No.9762876 >>9762718 >had something like 196K Or at least 96K

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 04:07:53 2023 No.9762879 >>9762696 Seethe samefag

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 04:40:14 2023 No.9762959 >>9762780 >dude a harp is better than a guitar because it has more strings

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 05:11:15 2023 No.9763006 >>9755221 well of course it is. It's newer hardware, and the SNES is more powerful in every way besides clock rate.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 05:58:39 2023 No.9763045 >>9762876 Not enough. The Chaos Engine title music file is over 200KB.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 06:09:20 2023 No.9763053 >>9762689 >>9762865 t. schizo yuro your generic yuro keygen music can't even compare to jap porn games https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC46S1Me9KQ

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 06:49:50 2023 No.9763090 >>9762865 >It's a 1997 game. The PS1 enabled newer and smaller studios to appear, sounds like this retard never played ridge racer

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 07:48:10 2023 No.9763164

>>9762865.
Haruomi Hosono released "Video Game Music" in 1984 and effectively pioneered the chiptune genre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49ZK_EVWIBM
Yuzo Koshiro has gone on recond directly stating how The Revenge of Shinobi OST was based on House music.
http://www.vgmonline.net/yuzokoshirointerview/
Yellow Magic Orchestra had been using synths since the 70s and popularized synthpop. Boredoms was formed and it wasn't even 1988. Japan had a notable underground electronic music scene during whatever arbitrary period you're imagining
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH87DXOD_mE

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 10:32:53 2023 No.9763358 [DELETED]

>>9763053
Low test music.

>>9763090
>ridge racer
Lounge jazz.

>>9763164
>chiptune genre
That's not house music.
>The Revenge of Shinobi OST was based on House music
I noticed the resemblance, but it's still more like a disco-jazz fusion than the acid, rave, hard dub mix, hip house, or whatever experimental house music subgenres that were brewing in the 80s-90s europe. They had samples, repetitive catchy motifs, and heavier emphasis on the percussions or beat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23Ti-T3T8h0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8et20ceZ_TY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6CJmJ5p3Ow
>Yellow Magic Orchestra had been using synths since the 70s and popularized synthpop
The americans and europeans already had proto rave music before that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdg5q1fYODQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zndpi8tNZyQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am5Rloqqk0U
>Japan had a notable underground electronic music scene during whatever arbitrary period you're imagining
It really wasn't popular before the 90s. In the 80s, Japanese electronic music resembled "city pop" mixes rather than the harder stuff they played at european and american clubs.
>1990s tokyo outdoor techno rave festival
That video's taken in 1998.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 10:53:07 2023 No.9763375 >>9763358 >Lounge jazz you are fucking retarded, one of the tunes is even called "rotterdam nation" just stick to low iq keygen shit, it suits you

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 11:03:53 2023 No.9763383

>>9763090
>>9763375
The underground tunes in Ridge Racer were the works of Nobuyoshi Sano. He was a college fresh graduate in 1993 when he was tasked to make the soundtrack. It wasn't the norm at all in the Japanese game industry, he was a fresh talent and a trendsetter rather than someone who just followed the conventions of japanese video game music.

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 11:12:07 2023 No.9763401

>>9763383
>The underground tunes in Ridge Racer were the works of Nobuyoshi Sano
wrong, he only did rare hero and grip which are n't even the craziest tunes in the ost, keep seething
>it wasn't the norm at all in the Japanese game industry
neither it was for yuros vgm composers who were stuck in generic melodic keygen music.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 11:46:51 2023 No.9763443 >>9757225 >Mega Drive covers of this game's music sound vastly superior >TheLegendofRenegade Can that really be called a "Mega Drive cover" when the guy apparently uses something like Fruity Loops to make them and they can't be played on real hardware?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 12:25:12 2023 No.9763501 Without Germany's Kraftwerk or Japan's YMO, Americans wouldn't have discovered electronic music. Anyway, how did a console war thread turn into west vs Japan? Oh wait, auster was posting about Amiga, ok.

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 12:28:04 2023 No.9763506

>>9763401
>he only did rare hero and grip
Shinji Hosoe also only did his first underground VGM in 1992. They worked together on the whole OST.
>neither it was for yuros
Ever since Xenon 2 it was the norm for VGMs to have techno and hip hop elements. Euro composers were more skillful at seamlessly combining house music elements and melodic tunes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRc3SKoOWLM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vETonlaTZ4c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEGAwobDAiM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AnzqFZ01Gk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHqRUq7fxf4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM0eu1bp0Ls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cimu6LpnwmQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjbTlpwSrB4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjMrN3RtZ_0

>generic melodic keygen music
What are you talking about? Have you listened to C64 Tetris, Parallax, Delta, International Karate, Rambo II loader, Arkanoid title, and so on on? C64 was a techno and new wave den. Try the 1-bit title music from Dark Fusion on ZX Spectrum. Techno VGM in Europe had a long tradition.

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 12:43:00 2023 No.9763528

Super Nintendo's chip sucks and like everything else bad in gaming you can blame sony for why. You can throw as many remixes and songs that might not even run in real time gameplay at me as you want, but you can't change what the end result is 23 years after the fact.

Like yeah, in theory this song would be bitchin' if it was on the snes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqIoW5F2wLM
but the reality is far different, the snes version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxkElFJb5zI
is by far the worst version of the song, far below even the genesis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuwKb1oHbqE

Really though this debate is retarded, the sega genesis had like 20+ audio channels and at like 4 different audio chips to work with, not counting fucking redbook audio. How is the snes ever going to compete with shit like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntJ0hzJ4wP4

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 13:12:58 2023 No.9763558 File: 246 KB, 570x668, 1679424634125347.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9762696 Don’t care, didn’t ask.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 13:16:37 2023 No.9763564 >>9763528 >Super Cope Not reading

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 13:18:08 2023 No.9763565 >>9763053 Watch fox new, faggot

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 13:21:18 2023 No.9763567 >>9763564 >Can't read because you're too busy coping damn you're a loser

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 13:31:34 2023 No.9763581 >>9763528 >snes vs genesis debate >posts pc engine cd music ???

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 13:38:30 2023 No.9763590

>>9763506
>They worked together on the whole OST.
still mostly a hosoe ost tard, you'd know if you listened to f/a which was similar
>xenon 2 and amiga music
samey, derivative and boring for the most part, nowhere near as eclectic as japanese vgms, listen to one amiga ost and you listen to all of them.
>techno, hip hop, house, industrial
way better done by the japs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95BpCWQ_Q18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK52TAKFuUE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9CHNo0M24s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw8JZfAyRsc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubs7C0MqNqQ
>Techno VGM in Europe had a long tradition.
c64 wankery isn't techno
give it up auster, you are just being retarded as usual and you aren't even a yuro

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 14:13:08 2023 No.9763634

>>9763590
>way better done by the japs
Those are just jazz and a bit of funk though. There's nothing wrong with liking jazz, but it's jazz. There's a reason electronic music often have repetitive motif and tempo, and jazz is missing that point. The Japanese were just so obsessed with jazz they could hardly write anything else when they're trying to come up with something that sounds "cool".
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/jan/12/how-japan-created-its-own-jazz
>eclectic
Right, it's just jazz.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 14:15:19 2023 No.9763643 >>9763634 >anything that isn't generic amiga/c64 wankery is jazz ok schizo

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 15:28:14 2023 No.9763762 >>9763053 this sucks

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 15:53:29 2023 No.9763792 >>9763762 filtered adhdfag

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 15:54:35 2023 No.9763796 >>9762725 I'm not him thoughbeit I don't really understand /vr/'s problem, if you don't like those threads just ignore them. But they're hardly controversial opinions

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 15:57:40 2023 No.9763803 >>9763796 >thoughbeit /qa/ lost

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 16:54:32 2023 No.9763926 >>9763803 >>>/lgbt/

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 17:46:22 2023 No.9764063 >>9763567 >too busy seethe because all obsession damn, your so asshurt

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 17:48:13 2023 No.9764069 >>9763803 > https://www.youtu.be/gjaG4AVJY-0

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 18:30:57 2023 No.9764170 >>9763634 You are out of your mind if you think those vgm are jazz, just because it doesn't sound like your generic, derivative c64/amiga music it doesn't make it jazz lol

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 19:29:19 2023 No.9764361

>>9761476
>And guess what has a CD drive?
>The Mega Drive, PC Engine, Amiga, X68000, and Neo Geo.

The Neo-Geo CD launched around the same time as the Japanese Sega Saturn and Sony PS1, and there were already CD units on the market like the 3DO, FMTowns Marty, the Phillips CDi and so forth. It was also a stand alone unit. CD systems were really starting to flood the market by then. The Amiga and X68000 were home PC's and had CD-ROM drive solutions. I think most of the 16bit micro-PC's had some form of optional CD-Drive add-on. The Amiga CD was like an Amiga 500 with a CD-ROM drive? The PCE-CDROM was the first home console CD-ROM drive, as it was released in 1988. Sega followed in 1991 with the Mega/ Sega CD. The Mega/ Sega CD did add some additional features to the hardware, like an AISC chip for sprite scaling and mode-7 like playing fields, a second 68000, and an 8-channel PCM chip that could also stream audio from the CD-ROM drive.

https://youtu.be/GFia6OptDQ0?t=729
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxBr0pN31L4

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 19:59:22 2023 No.9764442

>>9763581
That was just to keep to the analogy, but the point still stands, Sega has Redbook CD + PCM chip audio, the SNES chip can't compete with that shit.

Example:
SNES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekEkm_qbjSU

Genesis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73UdbDH_l7Q
Japanese because i know someone is gonna bitch and moan if i don't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dno1ybI5vvk

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 20:09:40 2023 No.9764471 >>9763528 Ys3 snes is kinda cherrypicking, pretty bad rendition there. >CD most MD games are just regular chiptunes though. >>9764442 fun part is most of the ost in popful mail is just regular MD chiptunes.

Anonymous Thu Mar 23 20:18:09 2023 No.9764498

>>9764471
>fun part is most of the ost in popful mail is just regular MD chiptunes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzcePM6f-lU

Popful Mail on the Sega CD does use a couple of the PCM channels. But it also uses the FM Synth in the MD/ Genesis. I think for this game, the PCM tracks were used for the voice dialogue scenes and game sound effects? There are a lot of in-game cutscenes with multiple dialogue tracks for different characters.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 20:30:13 2023 No.9764537 >>9755221 For regular musicians the SNES is clearly the superior soundchip. However if you're a mathematician/programmer/musician you can make the megadrive sing. Otherwise it's just farts. Yes, Sega is retarded.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 20:32:16 2023 No.9764542 >>9755525 Which hardware? Which revision of that hardware?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 20:33:19 2023 No.9764548 >>9756993 That's a powercable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 20:33:46 2023 No.9764549 >>9764537 if you can't use a synth you aren't a real musician

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 20:35:17 2023 No.9764553 >>9764549 That's not how music composing on the megadrive works.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 20:37:11 2023 No.9764558 >>9764553 that's how it worked in most systems, newfag

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 20:40:38 2023 No.9764564 >>9764558 tHaTs HoW iT wOrKeD iN mOsT sYsTeMs

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 20:41:39 2023 No.9764570 >>9764558 Fucking Retard

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 20:42:41 2023 No.9764572 >>9764498 >Popful Mail on the Sega CD does use a couple of the PCM channels. All of the "Past" stages in Sonic CD use the Sega CD PCM Audio channels as well as the Genesis/ MD FM Synth in spots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-A45d_ocHM&t=866s

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 20:43:56 2023 No.9764578 >>9764564 >>9764570 seething newfag

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 21:00:27 2023 No.9764620 >>9764549 what point do you think you're making here

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 21:50:46 2023 No.9764753 >>9763045 Can Sony add one or two channels? Also dumb jannie are so asshurt

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 22:44:14 2023 No.9764906 >>9764548 for Audio

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 23 23:07:05 2023 No.9764960 >>9762746 ok?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 01:52:43 2023 No.9765316 I'm tediously exporting all my fave OST .vgzs through this RYMcast player now for the low pass filter and it sounds so much better than all the shitty unfiltered youtube uploads it's crazy. https://vocaroo.com/18nKBBAfBpV9

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 02:45:02 2023 No.9765443 The megadrive has a legit musical instrument and it can sound great. Check out Tanzer's soundtrack. It's amazing and the snes could never have pulled off a sound this crisp. https://youtu.be/qgdC1RZMIMY

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 03:24:23 2023 No.9765528 >>9765443 >use audio enhancement chip like Paprium >"crisp" Yeah right

Anonymous Fri Mar 24 04:21:27 2023 No.9765671

SNES music is like listening to horribly compressed mp3s from the early 2000s. There's some great compositions there, but the compression muddies everything up so much that it actively works against the compositions themselves. Going for a sample-based chip at that time was absolutely the wrong move, and Nintendo should have used a chip from Yamaha, or commissioned something custom from Roland instead. The VRC6 absolutely fucking mogs the SNES soundchip and it was used on the fucking NES. SNES music lacks liveliness and punch and all just sounds boring and like you're listening to it underwater.

The YM2612, however, is punchy as fuck, and when put in the proper hands, produces some of the most crystal-clear and vibrant synthetic music ever to grace a console. I think the OPL3 and OPNA are better, but there's no denying the YM2612 can sound satisfying as fuck, and absolutely blows SNES shit out of the water when used properly.

Genesis > TG16 > VRC6 > SNES soundchip

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 04:34:58 2023 No.9765689 >>9765528 No it doesn't. But I love that you couldn't believe that was coming out of the genesis' sound chip.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 04:36:22 2023 No.9765692 >>9765671 stop samefagging

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 04:37:03 2023 No.9765694 >>9765692 This is my first post in the thread moron. If that's what other people are saying too, maybe it's because they're right.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 04:39:33 2023 No.9765702 >>9765694 yeah right

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 04:45:39 2023 No.9765712 >>9765671 Yep, this. If anyone has doubts, they should refer to >>9765443

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 05:39:58 2023 No.9765782 >>9755262 Very

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 06:04:27 2023 No.9765824 >N163 absolute black magic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgcQ_qThygQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYxcmb9vqz8

Anonymous Fri Mar 24 06:37:57 2023 No.9765870

Doom Troopers - Venus
SNES:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSjB_XFKGVU
Genesis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRQ3pLakwcE

Street Fighter II - Guile Theme
SNES:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iJ2M6TVkYw
Genesis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSdfFCihX_c

If you like the Genesis versions you have brain damage.

Now that said, Genesis has stuff like Thunder Force IV (Metal Squad hnnngg), Streets of Rage, Sonic 2 (especially Chemical Plant)... there is good music on Genesis but a *lot* of the rest just devolved into fart blasting.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 06:46:44 2023 No.9765883 >>9765870 LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-hK6ZAfZZw vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ-DXTo-qEA what even happened here

Anonymous Fri Mar 24 06:49:48 2023 No.9765886

>>9764572

Snatcher for the Sega CD uses the PCM and genesis audio channels for many of its' tracks. There are some red book audio tracks too.

https://youtu.be/MO1lLKH1ULQ?list=PLA5pglESNzykaSqUzr9ZML4JfhGj5hOS9&t=9

PC Engine CD-ROM version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U3qeEmNYs4

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 07:02:03 2023 No.9765904 >pop in a snezz game >turn up the volume >stock midi trumpet bbbrrrrrppppt Snes is king of fart trumpets

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 07:16:51 2023 No.9765920 Just compare SNES Shadowrun soundtrack vs Genesis Shadowrun soundtrack. Talk about absolute mogging.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 07:20:44 2023 No.9765928 >>9765920 not really both are great in their own way

Anonymous Fri Mar 24 07:24:02 2023 No.9765938

IDK Why, but the original Star Fox has one of my favorite SNES soundtracks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWNlwXlI5tM&list=PLkog_NvP2P1KHuxwXcSdkQcWJrUqB4hUQ&index=17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NF49Bgy5P8&list=PLkog_NvP2P1KHuxwXcSdkQcWJrUqB4hUQ&index=19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C29nT4kUjH4&list=PLkog_NvP2P1KHuxwXcSdkQcWJrUqB4hUQ&index=20
https://youtu.be/tbGdAtEFuiM?list=PLkog_NvP2P1KHuxwXcSdkQcWJrUqB4hUQ&t=6

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 07:24:46 2023 No.9765941 >>9765938 >IDK Why because they are great?

Anonymous Fri Mar 24 07:34:25 2023 No.9765958

>>9765870
>doom troopers
both sound like shit
>sf2
the only thing better in the snes version is the accurate pitch, the MD ost could've been near arcade perfect if capcom just tried.
also, cherrypicking is easy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tWuzKuvds0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYPHxQ39e-s

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 07:37:37 2023 No.9765961 >>9765316 Better yet, looks like the latest versions of in_vgm.dll for Winamp supports Nuked OPN2. You gotta go into %appdata%/winamp/plugins/in_vgm.ini and set YM2612 NukedType to 3 to enable filtering though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 13:21:21 2023 No.9766434 >>9755221 lol not a fucking chance. I played 5 seconds each alternating between both pausing until I got to 15 seconds. That is all I needed to easily declare Genesis the better sounding song here at least with your two posted examples.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 13:22:47 2023 No.9766436 >>9755221 Why does snes have that rubber band sound with its soundchip? LMAO

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 13:34:20 2023 No.9766462 >>9766436 >MM7 style

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 17:22:24 2023 No.9766967 >>9755221 Snes is absolute trash

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 17:23:46 2023 No.9766971 >>9755221 These tracks mog the entire Snes console, not just the soundchip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQM1vCMlEBo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7AtxMBc2TA

Anonymous Fri Mar 24 17:28:49 2023 No.9766986
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>>9755221
Its ok.
SNES is for fake sounding "orchestral" music. Its the automated equivalent of pic related with the same quality of the samples
Mega Drive is for experimental synth based music, where the instruments are new and invented, instead of trying to emulate orchestral music

Anonymous Fri Mar 24 17:51:10 2023 No.9767048

How are you gentlemen? Let me remind you of a soundtrack that mogged the arcade and CD audio versions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bMG0n-ksQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BEz5OX4M58
If you think that SNES could've had a better version, you're deluded.
>>9766986
>SNES is for fake ... music
>Mega Drive is for ... based music
This.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 18:42:01 2023 No.9767216 >>9764906 ... Yes. It's very wide and shielded to the max. Not necessary at all. People would get so much out of just using chokes and the most basic shielding.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 19:07:11 2023 No.9767297 >>9755221 amazing how you'll find no one making homebrew music who agrees with you but of course the passive fatties of /vr/ know better

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 19:08:23 2023 No.9767303 >>9764553 You do realise you can compose on another instrument before sequencing yes?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 19:16:32 2023 No.9767334 >>9767297 why would you make snes music as a homebrew developer? The creative limitations it imposes are simply less interesting.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 19:17:49 2023 No.9767339 >>9766967 Absolutely cope

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 24 19:19:31 2023 No.9767343 >>9767303 You don't understand what proper composing "for" the Megadrive entails. That's how you get farts. I don't like farts. I don't like lazy developers that make farts the game's music.

Anonymous Sat Mar 25 01:51:27 2023 No.9768283

>>9765958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3MdCByF0vE
Not that unique m8, the SPU in the SNES was perfectly capable of doing tracker style music without the audio sounding scuffed to shit like that MD example, it's just that Travellers Tales were utter ass at programming on anything that wasn't a dead shit simple arch like the 68k

Anonymous Sat Mar 25 02:36:14 2023 No.9768379

>>9767297
Similarly, this is why the Mega Drive is enjoying a resurgence of homebrew activities, whilst nobody wants to touch the SNES with a ten foot pole. The fact of the matter is, whether audio or otherwise, the SNES is not a nice platform for developers, nor a particularly interesting one, and it makes no sense for someone to spend the extra effort to make a game for the SNES when they could spend less time and effort to make the same game on the Mega Drive instead, and end up with a better end result too (higher res, crisper audio, no slowdowns).
Don't you dare try to tell anyone here that though, or you're clearly a console warrior Australian, and clearly don't know any better than someone who watched an AVGN YouTube video telling them the SNES was "more powerful".

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 03:20:26 2023 No.9768468 >>9768379 See>>9767339

Anonymous Sat Mar 25 03:32:22 2023 No.9768487

>>9768379
>higher res
There were plenty of MD games that were 256 wide and weren't multiplats
>crisper audio
I take it you've never actually used a physical system, because even the "cleanest" models have audio issues like too much low end or distortion
>no slowdowns
Living in an era of fastrom hacks, this isn't a schoolyard in 1993

Anonymous Sat Mar 25 04:46:57 2023 No.9768641
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>>9756332
blaring fucking obnoxious samples with zero volume/stereo mixing is the equivalent of posting fart sound FM tracks.
both chips can sound brilliant in masterful hands but holy fuck can they both sound bad.

Anonymous Sat Mar 25 05:10:37 2023 No.9768689
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>>9768468
No need to "cope", I'm busy playing all the fantastic new Mega Drive games.
>>9768487
>There were plenty of MD games that were 256 wide and weren't multiplats
At least 80% of the Mega Drive's library was higher resolution.
>I take it you've never actually used a physical system, because even the "cleanest" models have audio issues like too much low end or distortion
Even unmodded, the advantages of the Mega Drive's 2x higher sample rate and 2x higher bit rate are apparent.
>Living in an era of fastrom hacks, this isn't a schoolyard in 1993
Mega Drive games consistently do things SNES games could only dream of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6jbD_GfQuc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOZDCwN7EwA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L3nZ0m7VNM
You will never see the SNES even come close to these sorts of games, it is simply not capable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 05:18:09 2023 No.9768704 >>9768689 >You will never see the SNES even come close to these sorts of games, it is simply not capable. nothing to do with it mate they develop for the Mega Drive because it's much easier to do, it's why majority of the SNES stuff is just romhacks

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 05:20:33 2023 No.9768712 >>9768689 >pooprium >tech demo shit >fantastic games oh nonono

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 06:20:19 2023 No.9768817 >>9755221 Genesis sound chip destroys SNES. :( :( :( ShitNES :( :( :( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv0T7lomnXA `~-~`~- MEGA DRIVE-~`~-~` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_PGYjYJDLU Nothin personnel kid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 06:33:43 2023 No.9768850 >>9768817 two can play that game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUm2Hv0MqIM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNmm7NnSM6w

Anonymous Sat Mar 25 06:49:40 2023 No.9768871

>>9768689
The only interesting game shown there is Arkagis Escape, Xeno Crisis is a multiplat whore, there's zero fucking reason to need a downgraded SOTN, and Paprium not only has an expansion processor (which iirc there's autists here that still call those "cheater chips") but is regarded as a hilarious train wreck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 06:50:58 2023 No.9768874 >>9768850 You literally had to go with a licensed LJN game to find something.

Anonymous Sat Mar 25 07:18:38 2023 No.9768928

>>9768874
>You literally had to go with a licensed LJN game to find something.

It is a Tim Follin (and bro) soundtrack. LJN didn't have the greatest quality control, and they did have deadlines. But they still hired some talented studios back in the day. Follin also did the Rock N Roll racing soundtrack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypG-i5aij9A&list=PLXtoniNoeLvpgFcFnhfzi2SxEAI4jyIZr&index=3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngua3njzHBY&list=PLXtoniNoeLvpgFcFnhfzi2SxEAI4jyIZr&index=1

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 07:43:34 2023 No.9768976 >>9768874 And you posted an outsourced wreck, now cope harder https://youtu.be/Uh5U7-9KIUw https://youtu.be/tXtkjVUsPO4

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 11:28:34 2023 No.9769247 >>9755221 >>9761440 https://youtu.be/4VwI-CRJIZk?t=10

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 13:48:12 2023 No.9769492 >>9768871 Based level minded >>9768689 Cringe goyslop

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 20:50:48 2023 No.9770645 >>9755221 Let me know whenever SNES produces a game with music as based as Thunder Force 4 or any Streets of Rage game.

Anonymous Sat Mar 25 21:19:24 2023 No.9770721
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technically the snes can sound equally good as the genesis or even better because the dsp is just a sampler, but snes composers back then (especially in-house nintendo ones) recorded their samples with shitty equipment and nintendo didn't give them proper documentation on the soundchip either so most of them had to rely on the default sound driver that they were given, there were companies like square that actually tried but that's it
tl;dr it's easier to make the genesis sound good than it is to make the snes sound good, and it's completely nintendo's fault

also i'd like to mention that the snes' dsp can actually read raw 32khz 16-bit pcm (the actual console dsp, not msu1), but of course nobody knew about this back then, and even if they did, it would have taken way too much space for it to be used in any meaningful way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_60V8UdYEY

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 21:22:33 2023 No.9770735 Ok and then what happened over the next few generations

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 25 22:13:52 2023 No.9770880 >>9755732 Doubt. I want to hear these songs on an actual Megadrive.

Anonymous Sun Mar 26 00:54:08 2023 No.9771294

>>9770645
Yo!
https://www.youtu.be/0TlndPCJWBw

https://www.youtu.be/fc17pUiBcH8

https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/8tf80rVpE2E

https://www.youtu.be/8NHukDLibT8

https://www.youtu.be/iKlAemf11Hw

https://youtu.be/PfoYSBsHu_0

https://www.youtu.be/wSZCEVcujbg

https://www.youtu.be/tkP2BCviSuU

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 01:02:15 2023 No.9771321 Ugh.... SNES sounds like a tinny TV speaker Megadrive sounds like a subwoofer

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 01:24:32 2023 No.9771381 >>9771294 LOL. It's not even close, muffled MIDI shit as usual. What a trainwreck of a console.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 03:13:08 2023 No.9771607 Everyone already knew that. SNES looks better too. Who the fuck cares if the Genesis is a bit faster?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 03:26:17 2023 No.9771631 >>9771607 It's not a bit faster anon. It's twice as fast. There's a reason people are still interested in making games for it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 03:32:23 2023 No.9771639 File: 167 KB, 652x446, Screenshot from 2023-03-25 20-30-19.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9768976 Geoff and Tim Follin both composed the Arcade's Revenge soundtrack, as well as Rock N Roll Racing.

Anonymous Sun Mar 26 03:50:23 2023 No.9771670

>>9755608
The SNES has pretty good sampling capabilities, it means you can reasonably "backport" music from later systems that used sequencing if you're able to get the sampled audio ported over as a soundfont.

https://www.smwcentral.net/?p=section&s=smwmusic&f%5Bname%5D=Mega+Man+8+-+Astro+Man+Stage
This sounds pretty much spot on to the track in the PSX version of Mega Man 8, ported to SPC format that can be loaded into various SNES games with know-how.

https://www.smwcentral.net/?p=section&s=smwmusic&f%5Bname%5D=Sonic+CD+-+Stardust+Speedway+Zone+%28Past%29
This one demonstrates nicely how a version with many samples can sound closer to the source material, whilst another with fewer samples and falls back to relying on the SMW soundfont can sound ported.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 05:15:55 2023 No.9771831 >>9771631 >It's twice as fast. uneducated meme, konami games alone prove thas the snes was capable enough >b-b-but gradius 3!!! still much better than MD launch turds like space harrier 2 or super thunder blade

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 05:25:39 2023 No.9771851 >>9771381 >muffled Fucking every time, it’s not even a joke anymore that all you care about is clarity

Anonymous Sun Mar 26 05:38:24 2023 No.9771869

>>9771294
While some that try to sample the YM2612 are close sounding, they do still have some issues. The first is there's still less channels available so in many cases something the arranger felt was less important gets dropped. The other is that things like pitch shifts or note decays tend to either get recreated poorly or just lost. Some arrangements do try to get them right, but it seems to be rare.

Some good examples of pitch shifting as well as 9 or more channels being used on the Genesis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkOXh4G3OAc&t=3442s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67fZSJKQfkQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXytyMbdBYs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QumuyGwQgQ4&t=1917s

Anonymous Sun Mar 26 06:34:43 2023 No.9771921

>>9755221
I've been a Nintendo kid pretty much half of my life, but I've never had a problem with the Mega Drive/Genesis sounding much better than the SNES when the sound programmer knows what they're doing.
It's a bitter pill to swallow but the Famicom was the peak of Nintendo's sound hardware and even then it was all thanks to third parties. That's not to say Nintendo games don't have good music, but it's just that all of it could've sounded so much better on a more capable hardware.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 06:45:48 2023 No.9771938 >>9771921 as is neither is better, md doesn't have competent pcm and the snes doesn't have FM, the real winner is arcade which had both. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZDSkkQNrNc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahN7cXDX6oA

Anonymous Sun Mar 26 06:50:07 2023 No.9771946

>>9771938
The thing that really gets me with the Genesis is that the cart port has lines to allow for audio expansion per cart. I find it kind of odd that coming out of the Famicom era that had tons of games adding additional sound chips to their games, that not one Genesis game tried it.

It couldn't have been that outrageous to add a simple PCM chip to a game like Street Fighter 2 for example to allow for more channels and better voices more easily.

Anonymous Sun Mar 26 10:11:32 2023 No.9772161

>>9771938
>the real winner is arcade which had both
Of course, but the arcade stuff is way more high-end than what they'd put on consoles at the time. I bet that if Sega could have afforded it, they would have put the same chips they used on their arcade systems on the MD.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 12:02:34 2023 No.9772261 >>9759820 >Tim Follin, Jesper Kyd And the list goes on...

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 12:04:49 2023 No.9772264 File: 22 KB, 256x224, 5534titlescreen.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Samurai Shodown supported Dolby Surround fwiw. Genesis couldn't do that

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 14:05:07 2023 No.9772478 >>9771938 >snes doesn't have FM >arcade Are you sure? https://youtu.be/m5GDgoO9mIg https://www.youtu.be/UDhl4dGSDEw https://www.youtu.be/kDEKtwxE2Js https://www.youtu.be/a_QCIWmMmlw

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 14:06:53 2023 No.9772479 >>9771851 He just trolling or be not take seriously

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 14:07:55 2023 No.9772482 >>9761460 X68k mog that furshit

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 15:22:57 2023 No.9772624 >>9772478 Thats a cheap imitation of FM not real FM, also SNES samples were never good as arcade ones

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 17:51:36 2023 No.9772853 >>9755585 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdwouR3tOz0 My man

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 18:06:52 2023 No.9772890 >>9765824 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbtFJPoQaqQ SNES wishes it could handle this shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 18:09:55 2023 No.9772901 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbtFJPoQaqQ Gameboy says hello.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 18:53:08 2023 No.9772996 >>9771851 Yes, I prefer my audio to be crisp and have life. Perhaps if you didn't keep posting muffled MIDI shit, I wouldn't be pointing it out so much. But, if this thread is anything to go by, the SNES isn't exactly capable of that, is it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 19:14:11 2023 No.9773053 >>9772996 Go to the Steve Hoffman forums if you want to be an audiotist that bad, you'd fit right in with the 57 page arguments over which mid 80s german pressing of Abbey Road is the cleanest

Anonymous Sun Mar 26 19:19:26 2023 No.9773063

>>9773053
The whole point of this thread is which console has superior audio capabilities. And you're here whining that I keep pointing out that the SNES sounds like muffled MIDI shit? Why don't you get a real retort? Or, better still, why don't you post some SNES music that doesn't sound like shit for once, since nobody in this thread thus far has managed to do so. I already thought you SNES fans did not have any decent music on your overrated 2.68 mhz no games trash heap, but I must say, this thread is really cementing just how true it is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 20:06:29 2023 No.9773132 >>9773063 I can detect your lack of a jawline just by writing emotion and style alone

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 20:19:22 2023 No.9773156 >>9772624 >cheap imitation >not real FM Retard take

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 20:21:16 2023 No.9773160 File: 84 KB, 697x768, 1679499020449600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9773063 >Still rent freely over mere 65816 existent Here your L

Anonymous Sun Mar 26 20:23:11 2023 No.9773163

>>9773156
Not him but there is at least some bit of an argument here. When people bring up the SCSP's FM synth capabilities in the Saturn people are quick to point out it's not "real" FM Synth due to how it works. From what I understand the FM Synth capabilities the SPC700 has are basically the same thing the SCSP does but in a much more limited capacity.

So if people are going to say the FM Synth capabilities for the Saturn's SCSP don't count as real FM Synth, then the same logic should be applied to the SPC700 int he SNES out of fairness.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 20:27:16 2023 No.9773174 >>9773156 nah you are retarded for pretending that shit sounds even close to fm. king of dragons doesn't sound as terrible as other capcom ports so i'll give you that at least

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 20:36:36 2023 No.9773182 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNYWBrMuAiY

Anonymous Sun Mar 26 21:36:04 2023 No.9773331

Hey
HEY.
Here's indisputable proof that the Genesis soundchip kicked more ass than the SNES soundchip. Note I didn't say "better" - that's a weasel word. Where music is concerned "better" could mean different things to different people. But ass kicking is an objectively measurable characteristic. THIS TUNE KICKS MORE ASS THAN THE SNES WAS EVER CAPABLE OF:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u3fOf-8L-IQ&list=PL532E466C1847FF92&index=10

Gauntlet 4. There was no SNES port as the SNES wasn't even a real 16-bit machine and would've crapped it's dungarees if it'd have to handle this many sprites

Anonymous Sun Mar 26 22:59:01 2023 No.9773525

>>9771869
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkOXh4G3OAc&t=3442s [Remove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUj8FBfIkvY&list=PLXFyROtMj3w02K5KLVUDTGylPM6uYGySr&index=9

>>9771869
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67fZSJKQfkQ [Remove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shz-8ATiX3I&list=PL6BB4862ADAA12E48&index=1

>>9771869
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXytyMbdBYs [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJt7RHRVPmU

>>9771869
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QumuyGwQgQ4&t=1917s [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqz8Qv0CzAE

Anonymous Sun Mar 26 23:10:35 2023 No.9773561

OP Sonic 3 on MM7 is an interesting take but Genesis sounds better in this case.

But you know what? I'm sick of people trying to "prove" genesis has better sound than SNES.

Everyone with ears that played games back then knows SNES games sounded way better. Because 90% of Genesis games sound like the digital farts joke. 10% have tolerable audio and 5 or 6 games have outstanding sound like Sonic 3.

I really like SavagedRegime/LazyGecko's work with the sound chip but it doesn't make up for an entire library of games with shit music.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 26 23:25:10 2023 No.9773597 >>9773561 I have never come across a genesis game that sounds like "farts" on real hardware. Where does this farts nonsense come from, shitty ancient version of gens?

Anonymous Sun Mar 26 23:36:39 2023 No.9773623

>>9771294
Nah, and I don't even think I have to link every song. The Genesis tracks clearly sound better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo0Do4YfZSY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHd498Jxzo8

Those Thunder Force tracks are especially weak compared to Genesis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOzgUtumOo0

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 00:01:30 2023 No.9773672
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>>9755221
Isn't it funny how Segafags are always trying to "prove" their console is better? Almost as if they're insecure, or something. Name one(1), just one(again 1), song on the Genesis that matches up to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6UgxJtHIVY

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 00:05:23 2023 No.9773689

>>9773525
No offense but what on earth are those SNES samples trying to show? The point of those Genesis examples was to show examples of 9-10 channel polyphonic sound, pitch shifts/bends, etc. It honestly seems like you didn't even listen to them for more than 1 second and then grabbed the first SNES track you thought sounded similar completely missing the point.

The track I linked in TF4 wasn't one of the hard rock ones, it was one of the ending themes showing pitch bends and all 10 channels in use. The Lufia theme you compared to Gauntlet is completely unrelated but it seems like you heard chimes and thought it must be some orchestral track (it's not). The Power Rangers track again I wasn't really pointing to the main theme but the entire OST as a whole since it's full of polyphony and pitch bends (which is completely absent in the SNES rendition you linked). The only one that's even remotely similar is the Adventure Island one to Sonic 3 which is no surprise since it's done by Yuzo Koshiro. That said it still has far less channels going on and no kind of pitch shifts or bends.

Can you actually pay attention to what someone was trying to explain to you instead of just vomiting random SNES tracks next time?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 00:11:30 2023 No.9773702 >>9773672 What's the metric for comparison? Composition quality or "ooh ahh orchestra samples!"?

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 00:20:19 2023 No.9773716
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>REMINDER TO SAGGIES
even the og famicom mogged the jenny forget competing with the super

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptgaCJSF7j8&list=PLgntNm0yymDxqON20-77GNHrIa0pS3Phq&index=4

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 00:21:47 2023 No.9773717 >>9773716 Well if you're going to bring in expansion chips then are we allowed to bring in the Sega CD and 32X?

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 00:45:26 2023 No.9773774

>>9773672
Actually listening to this more I don't think the Genesis would struggle too much on it. The bulk of the instrumentation is Organs, Bass Guitars, some Electric Guitars, percussion, and the odd choir or flute sound here or there. Other than the choir sound most of those instruments can be done fairly well with FM Synth. With a good sound driver that can do more than one PCM Channel with pitch control you could probably get something pretty close.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 01:05:06 2023 No.9773817

>>9773774
I never thought about it before an FM version of Dancing Mad would actually be pretty interesting to listen to, maybe something close to Gain Grounds' sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqdm66FySuY
Console-warring BS aside, I love the Genesis' sound and this game soundtrack blew me away the first time I heard it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 01:17:05 2023 No.9773852 >>9773817 Honestly there's a lot of good examples of the Genesis doing Organs pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxb7Zfay0dY&t=318s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm7sT87AXFA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3GdwEZSHmA

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 01:58:33 2023 No.9773934

>>9762718
> Streaming from the cart was not an option because the sound data was packed in 64KB chunks
makes no difference if it was in 1kb chunks stored backward and encrypted. code had to sit in a loop waiting for the spc to send/receive data AND your driver had to support it
>It was very much constrained by memory
I like how your iq is so low that you took anons post, tried to reword it slightly. for what purpose? who knows. take medication. anon already made it clear how much memory it has.

> If it had something like 196K, it'd sound as good as the Amiga.
the snes supported 16-bit adcpm and true stereo. it was better than the amiga. there's no argument about that.

>really small sound samples on the SNES
they were BRR adpcm. they aren't all looped waveforms of a few hundred bytes. they could use 64kb ram easily because of the brr compression.

>but that would still leave you with over 320K to work with.
where you do get this fantasy info from? could use less, could use more. depends on what the program is. it's why music on early amiga stuff was usually very small in size. anyway, amiga needs all that ram but you can play the same music on a snes and it takes less than 64kb with no drop in sound quality. snes wins.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 02:03:52 2023 No.9773941 >>9762748 >things that never happened

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 02:38:53 2023 No.9773978
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>>9773934
You are utterly mad if you're trying to insist that the SNES has better sound than the Amiga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWfW7o-i41Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdDhFri95Qs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIt72HXmLlg&t=89s
I am sorry that your Nintendo can't even beat hardware from wholly 5 years prior, it must be embarassing.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:25:29 2023 No.9775409

>>9773978
> amiga: 4 channels, 8-bit PCM, max freq: 22khz
> snes: 8 channels, 16-bit ADPM, max freq: 32khz DSP, programmable filter
not only better than the amiga, it literally shits on it. hope that brain damage heals up real soon, you computer illiterate failure.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 18:26:52 2023 No.9775410

>>9773978
> amiga: 4 channels, 8-bit PCM, max freq: 22khz
> snes: 8 channels, 16-bit ADPCM, max freq: 32khz, DSP, programmable filter
not only better than the amiga, it literally shits on it. hope that brain damage heals up real soon, you computer illiterate failure.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:31:40 2023 No.9775572
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>>9775410
Yet, for how much the specs are supposed to be "better", quite telling that you cannot post any SNES music that even comes close to my examples in >9773978 isn't it? Also, quite funny how you attempt to inflate the specs, when it is well known for decades that the Amiga can EASILY do 8 channels audio using the OctaMED driver, and further, you neglect to mention that "16-bit ADPCM" actually means 4-bit compressed samples, a far cry from even 4-bit uncompressed samples, much less 8-bit uncompressed samples, and you also neglect to mention the SNES 64 kbs RAM limitation, whilst the Amiga has no such limit, offering at least 512 kbs RAM for samples. You ought to have let the thread die rather than further embarassing the SNES like this, as it turns out, even the 5 YEARS OLDER Amiga has many advantages over the newer and more expensive SNES, both in audio and in general.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:37:49 2023 No.9775587 >>9775572 Based australia, forever in his quest to change history and make people stop caring about the Super Nintendo, and start caring about microcomputers instead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:41:18 2023 No.9775598 >>9768379 People develop for the MD because the 68k has good C compilers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:43:52 2023 No.9775604 >>9768689 >>9768871 Time for retrogen

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:45:34 2023 No.9775607 >>9773331 >Gauntlet 4 Imagine four sword adventure? https://www.youtu.be/7ZIW7Kp4VdA

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:47:29 2023 No.9775615 >>9775598 >C compilers >not using pvsneslib Because people are lazy normie

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:48:51 2023 No.9775620 >>9775572 Med now, furfag

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:50:12 2023 No.9775623 >>9773174 >retarded for pretending that shit sounds Nah, look at mirror (you)

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 20:10:23 2023 No.9775664

SNES excels at more intimate and chill tracks :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMnZite_lB0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdPlcKg-qFs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-5BVb7hrvw
But it's incapable of producing a powerful sound, whereas Mega Drive does that with a vengeance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6JfsduyOZg

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 20:15:36 2023 No.9775673 >ywn be a japanese business man in the '90s https://youtu.be/76sy-cxdfUg

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 20:19:40 2023 No.9775680 >>9775623 t. tardo coping with modern covers

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:11:23 2023 No.9775781

>>9775410
Amiga sound hardware works very differently. On Amiga each channel has an independent dac and volume control. 8bits is more than enough for a sample using the entire 8bit range, when these 4 samples are summed together with the 6 bit volume controls, the final output has considerably more effective bits. The sample rate is 28khz, and without any kind of blur filtering so does not sound like mud. On Amiga, the samples are uncompressed, so sound a lot better than ADPCM.

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 21:25:40 2023 No.9775804

>>9775664
they really went full ambient with that mario paint tune, md does chill/minimalistic music fine though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DedCATrcsfY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct825En_tCE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVLpcNXxSO0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on4dYe8p8zY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHUuCRHGY1w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=060UPPeiiQY

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:41:30 2023 No.9776093

>>9775572
> gets btfo by specs
> nooooo! it's about the quality of music written for it
not the same anon but that's 100% false

>, and further, you neglect to mention that "16-bit ADPCM" actually means 4-bit compressed samples,
they're compressed into 4-bits but they depack to 16-bit. the sample isn't converted to 4-bits and played as 4-bit. do you morons know how anything works? apparently not. even google is beyond your last iq point's ability.

> YEARS OLDER Amiga has many advantages over
only advantage it has is RAM. that's it. not that it matters, you can stream sample data from cart all day long, as long as you have the rom space.

>>9775781
>On Amiga, the samples are uncompressed, so sound a lot better than ADPCM.
if i took the same 8-bit samples from the amiga and compressed them using u-law adpcm, the sound quality will be worse because the u-law adpcm algorithm is designed for efficient packing of 16-bit values and NOT 8-bit (something that no retard in this thread has even realized). if you were to convert the 8-bit samples to 16-bit then the u-law compression will not destroy the sample and will sound identical. that's how it works.

at no point in history of the universe is amiga's audio better than the snes. you let us know when the amiga can play 16-bit samples using 8 voices with DSP effects and a programmable filter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 03:42:08 2023 No.9776636 >>9757225 >Covers That's not even the original hardware you double faggot and if you're going to claim 'restored', you'd lose badly to the SNES stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAovYwVQwB8

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 03:50:46 2023 No.9776651 File: 169 KB, 400x170, 8b922a96-57b0-4286-b4c1-963eb2094661_text.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9761908 >Genesisfags actually thinks the garbage he presented is superior.

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 04:39:53 2023 No.9776758

I'm always surprised to see no anons posting the Xband SNES soundtrack when it's one of the best examples of the SNES being able to do 90s contemporaty music while the MD was more towards 80s sound due to its hardware
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpxcVyPwqxw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPkMsPF9SlQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T65-8iQGUI (probably the best 90s contemporary track)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSgEGvsX5wc

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 16:48:18 2023 No.9777904 >>9776758 Xtmas 92' - https://www.youtu.be/auZr9cBxRDE

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 16:52:33 2023 No.9777915 >>9762718 >>9762876 Also those ram memory exist in the market?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 04:50:36 2023 No.9779530 >>9777915 amiga had ram expansions. that anon knows very little about amiga. it's why he's stopped replying because another anon keeps slapping him around with facts instead of schizo fantasies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 04:54:22 2023 No.9779539 >>9776758 is very nice, anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 08:00:49 2023 No.9779791 >>9776758 >90s is just rave shit nah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZRTg9nbf6M

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