/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>69835452
>Correlation does not equal causation anon.
Anon, this is not fucking correlation, it is direct observation from the ENTIRE set, not even a subset.
>PLAVE seems to be doing decently as well, even if they don't call themselves "VTubers".
That's because they're not vtubers, they're a KPop band who does not even even have individual channels for their members
>And Sutopuri is basically chuubas in all but name and and extremely successful.
"Basically being something" is not being something and they as well are not a group of vtubers but a JPop band.
You are sensing the pattern here, right? Maybe you want to bring that Gorillaz succeeded and, hence, male vtubers can succeed too but that would be the same retardation.
>And guess what both groups are modeled after?
> Idols!
You won't find any disagreement here. If you are saying that there is a market for male kpop or jpop idol groups, that's self explanatory, "virtual" or real and you can even throw Gorillaz and to a certain extend Daft Punk into it as well (given the recurring virtual band in their MVs).
Your very picture is proving that point, with Strawberry Princes explicitly calling themselves "virtual boy band", and so did PLAVE company in their investor leafleft.

Now, you moved to the next point
>And guess what Niji's more successful male groups like Chronoir, ROFMAO and VALZ are modeled after?
> Idols!
That's absolute bullshit. The current "idoly" sing and dance incarnation of Chronoir was put forward in March 2021, WAY after Kuzuha and Kanae made a name for themselves with their live streams and gaming streams. Their first single and album only came in 2022, way after that too.
There is nothing in the success of Kanae or Kuzuha that came from "idols", it is the other way around, Riku saw a potential market for sing and dance over what he was making on sponsorships and donations and took it.
ROF-MAO likewise, it was formed in October way after their members were already established. The fact they did that has nothing to do with the initial performance of their members.

>Which reinforces my point that homos are failing due to never pushing deep into idolshit
It doesn't reinforce any point you are making because you are misrepresenting the truth and retconning a very different reality.
>PLAVE and Strawberry princes are KPop and JPop idol groups which happen to done an avatar, they're not vtubers in any sense including self identification
>Kanae and Kuzuha were already a established on NicoNico before "downgrading" to vtubers
>Chronoir members and ROF-MAO members were already established three years before they sang their first song in these respective groups

Your whole point is to prove there is a market for male vtubers but all you proved was
>there is a market for male virtual boy bands
>it is possible to take an existing and established male vtuber and sell records under their brand

You failed completely to show
>there is a market for male vtubers
I am making the opposite point
>there is NO market for male vtubers
the evidence I'm putting forward is, maybe (big maybe) with exceptions of Lauren and Ibrahim
>EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE FIFTY FIVE ATTEMPTS BY HOLOSTARS AND NIJISANJI SINCE 2020 FAILED

2020 was four years ago. A whole ass pandemics came and went, the United States changed their president and seems on their way to change it back and the two biggest vtuber companies in the world DEBUTED FIFTY FIVE FAILED MALE VTUBERS in the period.
If that doesn't prove there is no market for male vtubers I don't know what could possibly do the trick

>>69830294
>Male chuubas CAN get success, it's just that
Anon, this is too sad, it is becoming a caricature now.
>IT CAN WORK! THE REAL STRAT WAS NEVER TRIED!

>Luxiem had problems because they couldn't handle having an audience that didn't speak their language
>the issue was simply retention.
>They should've either
Anon, they failed. They failed and every single attempt since Edengumi failed.

>You're showing one year, try to go back to 2020 and look at the same data and you'll see this was just that one bad year.
Anon, there is no data going that far back but you missed entirely the point of showing this which is EXACTLY to show that not a single male vtuber debuting after Edengumi (including Edengumi) succeeded except maybe (big maybe) Lauren.
And if you go back to 2020 there is ONE, a single example that COULD be construed as succeding, which would be Ibrahim
(Again, big maybe).

There is no market for male vtubers. Companies are trying since 2020, between Niji and holostars alone they debuted FIFTY FIVE MALE VTUBERS since 2020 and at most (being terribly generous with the word "success") Lauren and Ibrahim saw any kind of success with the rest being consigned to the same amorphous 1k - 3k blob.
How many attempts would it take to prove that there is no market for male vtubers?

>pic related, same table as before, but adding the 2020 waves by Nijisanji and third holostars gen