/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

The most notable part is that Tsunderia is fairly well known but no one fucking watches them lol.

>>10276638
we do not care

>>10276638
774 and VSPO are basically 3rd and 4th in terms of vtuber company popularity but they're still relatively unknown here, so you can tell this is an EOP board

>>10276758
Tsunderia is 2 years strong compared to the rest of the startups, so it makes sense for people here to know of them.

>>10276638
I thought I knew all the vtuber agencies but what the fuck is Live Union and kamistubaki

>>10276888
Yeah, this was purposefully asked to the EOP demographic on purpose, i also wanted to know how many JP corps they watch/know

>Nijis know 774 more than Holos
Huh?

>>10276638
>NijiEN, /hlgg/ and Vshojo
Why did OP not say HoloEN? Or alternatively, why didn't he say /vsj+/? Is there something special about the /hlgg/ abbreviation that warrants a direct mention? Could this give me more insight into the inner workings of OP's mind?

>>10277200
I think that's because NijiEN watchers watch more japanese vtubers

>>10277411
I figured as such, but isn't Animare in cahoots with Holostars (basically, Roberu) They're always in his chat, and the /stars/ general is dead as fuck here. I would have thought they at least know Haneru, Kuku, or Izumi. And Rene is one of the most posted 774's, none of these chuubas are talked about in the NijiEN general and I frequent that one the most out of all of these.

>>10277384
Nah, i'm just used to calling it that way

>>10277200
some of the people in /hlgg/ proudly refuse to watch any non-Hololive vtuber, it's not that surprising

>>10277550
Ironically more NijiEN fans watch Holostars than Hololive fans. Unicorns aren't really welcome in Niji threads.

>>10277632
Idk, I have fun posting about the boys 3D in there.

>>10277016
Both basically vsinger groups. Live Union from RK Music, the ones that do the Imagination Cover albums that have NijiHolo774 singers too, and Kamitsubaki is basically Kaf and friends. Kamitsubaki is pretty big too.

>>10277200
NijiEN just seems more likely to also watch other groups too, but they also had 449 votes vs 295.

>>10277777
Checking them digits.

>>10277200
the one gave niji a chance will also open mind enough to other agencies

>>10277777
A good amount of replies i got in the original post on /hlgg/ were people saying they didn't know any of them

>>10277200
Doesn't AnyColor do tech support for 774?

The fuck? Useful research, on /vt/?
Are you insane?

>>10276638
That's cool bu by peak time do you mean only one or multiple ones? Because I can sure as fuck tell you that different people watch Gura and Aki for reasons other than appeal

As an extra piece of info: /hlgg/ were the only ones who used the discussion tab

>>10276638
Five companies in the nijiEN poll received 50/107 or more votes. Two company in the /hlgg/ thread received 54/178 votes with third place getting 34/178. In the vshojo thread 23/77 knew tsunderia and 18/77 knew prism project with cyberlive coming in third place at 10/77.

>>10278032

>>10277777
449 is total votes, so if you voted for 5 companies your vote counts as 5 not one. Add up all of the votes and you can see for yourself.

>>10277550
>but isn't Animare in cahoots with Holostars
if you're newfag, sure
but 774 has history with niji from long time ago, they have been collab partner for a long time, if you watch niji then you probadly watch some collab of them with 774 down the line
> none of these chuubas are talked about in the NijiEN general and I frequent that one the most out of all of these.
most of the nijiEN thread talk about nijiEN girls and their collab partners, and nijiEN girls never interact with any 774

>Tsunderia at either 1st or 2nd place
That's right bitch, kneel to the slug.

>>10277777
checked

>>10277945
It was during Ina, Sana and Mumei minecraft stream, Ame Dead Space stream and Baelz membership opening stream, or at least i think that was all the streams that were happening

>No write-in option
How the fuck was I meant to shill groups like NoWorld, La Priere or RIOT

>>10278455
>Skipping all of Europe and people that weren't free at 9AM in Japan

>>10278113
This is true. I know Hachi because she interacts with AZKi. I did not know there is a vtuber company named Live Union.

>>10278533
NoIR hasn't streamed in three weeks. I miss her... At least Petra does piano streams now.

>>10278908
There are also always HepuPiano and Nanoha for pretty frequent piano streams so it's not that bad
Not NoiR tier when it comes to chill but noone really is

>>10277550
How Holofans who post in "Roberu fucked all of Animare" threads know that Animare is a group under 774? Wouldn't suprise me if that skewed the results.

>>10279523
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgHGEXNliqg&t=8s
Sold. I really really like Senbonsakura and love NoIR's piano rendition of it. Can I get a specific link for Nanoha?

>>10279897
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0lIq8G4LgDPlXsDmYSUExw

>>10280019
Thanks, my man.

>>10277200
The last 774 collab was Ollie/Rene most people (here) hate Ollie so no surprised that was missed the others are Roberu (ew! don't want dude give me my lolis)

Not surprising data

>>10276638
I saw you posting these, but how is this data not fatally flawed with no "None" option?

I'm a frequenter of /hlgg/ and I now all those agencies. I, however didn't vote for any of them because none of them deserve recognition over Hololive. HoloChad for life.

>>10280487
If none, then they wouldn't vote.

>>10277910
Makes sense and fits in with how the NijiJP branch. Niji fans in general are super casual and don't feel any true connection to their oshis. Hololive fans on the other hand are super hardcore about their oshi and fiercely loyal. I would never cheat on my oshi by watching a different non-Hololive agency.

>>10280487
The point was to know which ones they knew more, not if they knew them or not

>>10280941
If Cover were to fold tomorrow where would you go?

>>10281060
your oshi probably watches non-Holos and wants you to do the same

>>10281110
Vtubing would pretty much be dead to me. No other agency captures the spirt of Hololive for me. Most of them just come off as streamers with avatars while Hololive is truly special and feels like your actual friends. So yeah, I'd just stop since nothing else would give me that feeling.

I'd probably just watch the occasional Kizuna Ai vid if I needed a vtuber fix.

>>10281060
Anon, you don't truly have a connection to your oshi. You're nothing more than a random assortment of numbers and letters to them.

>>10281286
Man, it must sucks to have oshi that sees you like this

>>10276638
>/hlgg/
>Noripro that low
>VSPO that low

>>10281286
I can see how a Niji fan might think this since Niji just gives you the typical streamer experience. Hololive members make sure all of their fans feel special and appreciated.

>>10281398
>assuming I watch either

>>10276888
>>10277200
>>10277411
That doesn't necessarily mean nijifans watch vtubers outside their bubble. The poll is about which companies you recognize/know about and it feels like viewers outside the holobubble do their reps more about where they come from. If you pit a picture of nose in the /hlgg/ thread I'm sure a large number of people would recognize her as "towa's friend/wife" but almost none of them would tell you she's from VSPO. Also Nijisanji collabs a lot more outside their own brand so it's easier to get exposed to other names one way or the other.

>>10282518
This makes no sense. If they know her via picture how do they not know her name or company.

>>10281285
>>10281398
That's called parasocial relationship anon.

>>10282581
There are people that watched multiple HACHI streams without realizing she's from company anon

>>10282775
Then they're retarded

>>10282581
Knowing her name doesn't necessarily mean you mean from which company they come from. At best it gets stated once during the introduction at the start of the stream and then never again. Looking up even just a single piece of extra info already filters a huge chunk of the viewerbase. Go on, go post a picture of Nose and then ask anyone who replied correctly to tell you from which company she comes from and see how many of them answers correctly.

>>10283147
It's just weird to me to watch a collab and not at least click the link in the bio let alone listen to her introduce herself.

>>10281285
This is so ridiculous. Hololive girls don't even read their fucking chat, how do they feel like "friends" lmao. You just chat into the void pretty much. Try watching any small streamer and you'll be blown away the moment they actually read what you type.

>>10276888
I've never watched vspo (at least none that I know of, I didn't realize Leona was re:act until recently)
But 774 filters me pretty hard with their characters. I like haneru but I can't listen to her for more than 5 minutes.

Also kamitsubaki isn't vtubers, theyre just singers. I don't think they ever stream, at least not the main group. KMNZ has on a few occasions but it's not with a vtubing avatar.

>>10281376
Nobody watches Noripro except for tamaki.

>>10281285
I give Cover a thumbup because they can build up an japanese idol fanbase in the west that none of the big corp can

>>10281398
I know this is a shitpost.
But yall niggas need to do some 2view saving if you want to feel "connections.

>>10276888
>they are relatively unknown here.
Dude. VSPO have their own general here. Although it is mostly about Apex and FPS so Nijisanji, Towa, Met and male streamers also posted there.
>>10185407

>>10284501
Is that a VSPO?
I'll now watch you're chuubas.

>>10284576
Yes. Kurumo Noah. She is cute but sometime can be violent. Also probably the best Apex player in VSPO.
https://youtube.com/c/noah963/featured

>>10285024
Fuck she's so cute.
God damnit

>>10281398
>Hololive members make sure all of their fans feel special and appreciated.
I know this is a shitpost but I stopped watching hololive because it felt none of them gave a shit about their audience, fans or the games they played so they got boring really fast
New gens could have pulled me back in but both the new EN and JP gen look like shit

>>10277200
I dunno about nowadays on /vt/ but /hlg/ since it's inception on /jp/ and later global being entirely populated by newfags couldn't give less of a shit what company or affiliation anyone outside of Hololive had and instead just threw everything under "honorary Holo". They had no reason to learn about the rest of the scene since their initial engagement with Vtubers was already similarly shallow and the connection was with Hololive only. Holobubble was always a fitting term for a reason, though to the credit of some they have actually stepped outside of it.

>>10277200
niji's vtubers collab with 774 all the time you newfag

>>10282581
kek They know her as a shitpost, Nose/ Towa’s Apex friend is the basic extent of their knowledge.

>>10278360
People know about them because of Kana and Ria...not exactly what you want to be known for.

>>10282518
I watch Tamaki if she collab with niji, and maha5,


Well don't watch anyother because niji pretty much have so much to choose with, most of stream i watch is nijiboy from ID (never skip bobon stream because he my oshi(?) i think that what you call em here right) or nijiEN (nijiJP if they have special event and only watch then from translator channel like mofumofu sub)

What's the appeal of any of these startups? Do they have good gamers? Professional artists? Good Musicians?
Shill me your favorite company.

>>10288437
All publicity is good publicity, as they say

>>10292912
They have cute girls.

>>10292912
I've been following three of them pretty closely for quite some time. I'll do my best to give you a detailed summary on them.

Tsunderia is more like a family than a company. They have a diverse selection of personalities, but the most important thing they look for is that they all work well together. They have a professional level artist (Hanabi), a professional level singer (Miori), the queen of zatsudans/GFE (Yuuna), a gunpla builder (Char), a competent if eccentric manager (Urara), etc. Even though they have their specialties, they're all well-rounded streamers that provide a mix of gaming, chatting, and recorded content. It is highly likely that there is someone in Tsunderia you will fall in love with, and a few that you'll also just be a fan of as well.

Prism is the closest to the Hololive-type idol experience that the West has, probably because the company and 1st generation are located in Japan. There is a palpable degree of separation between the chuubas and fans, which can be a turn-off. They all seem to specialize in singing and zatsudans, but suck at gaming, with the only real exceptions being Luto and Nia. Management seems mostly incompetent, but there are signs of improvement.

Phase Connect seems more like an experiment than a real company. To sum them up in a word, it would have to be immature. They have separate JP and EN branches, and the JP branch is floundering badly despite having actually talented Japanese streamers. Their momentum is completely from shilling themselves here frequently. Not only has their most well-known streamer been /here/ for quite some time, she also regularly pokes at the kiwis. Management has no control whatsoever. At this point, it's a waiting game on when they eventually implode and what yab is the one that does them in, but despite all this, there are some very rough gems such as Uruka's music and Tenma's unique banter

>>10292912
they are talented, passionate, closer to their fan, interact with you more

>>10282518
Primarily Hololive/Holostars JP watcher here that also watches a ton of non Hololive vtubers such as whoever Roberu collabs with, whoever Astel collabs with, watch the big collabs Animare's Haneru puts on, and keeps up with Apex Vtuber Saikyou tournaments. I've watched Noah's streams a few times, seen her in a bunch of collabs, knew about that she's part of something called the Virtual Esports Project and that it's called ぶいすぽっ, completely did not remember it's English abbreviation is VSPO and would never have marked that if I took the poll. I've also watched both Beni and Hinano, and just now realized they were actually part of VSPO as well when I looked at the wiki. I just remember their avatars and voices and do not pay attention to their jikoshoukais so don't remember their agency. So yeah I bet there's a ton of people who would recognize Noah that are completely unable to recognize VSPO. I also only learned last week when trying to torrent some stuff that the Masquerade Vtubers were called Masquerade despite knowing of them since 2020, I just remembered them as the lewd maids. I only remember NoriPro because it's literally Tamaki's irl name with pro added to it, and honestly if I watched any less amount of 774 I'd only be able to recognize them individually by like Animare and Honey Strap. I think there's a fair amount of people that would recognize Vtubers by names and faces and completely flub agency names.

>>10294535
Based. I have the same opinion for both Prism and Tsunderia, and your insight on Phase Connect is very welcome.
Opinions on Cyberlive? They seem to be doing the same experiment as Phase Connect and appeal to /vt/ itself, and have been in making friends with many /here/ chuubas such as Beatani, the more /vt/-kosher chuubas of /wvt/, Pippa and ex-amber glow Terumi.

>>10295422
I'm relatively new to Cyberlive as a company, but here's what I've seen so far.

Lumi obviously has a lot going for her, which isn't surprising given how involved she was in /asp/, and her timely capitalization of Mumei's inability to scratch the grand strategy itch was a brilliant move. She's clearly outshining her genmates, but it's still unclear whether she can transfer her current popularity onto them, or even if she can keep up with her own rapid growth. The only other specialized chuuba in CL is Seina trying to get in on the Spanish market, but it's questionable how marketable that strategy is. I'm be very curious to see her stats on average donation amount and total donations to average viewership ratio.
Management is the real question mark. I have no idea how involved they are with content or company direction, but their launch was one of the biggest shitshows in all VTubing. Everything from getting Hylo to respond to the allegations of underage management and sketchy asset acquisitions, to paying for dates with the streamers (even if assuming that was only for the debut streams, that idea was still dumb as shit), it just made the company seem like a joke. If I was Lumi, I'd have already renegotiated my contract with them for single-handedly bailing them out of obscurity and giving them any semblance of credibility after how bad they fucked everything up. But Lumi gave them a second life, so it's up to them not to fuck it all up again. I don't trust them not to, but it'll be fun to watch regardless

>>10295776
Yeah Lumi's shrewd. I hope she keeps some distance from 4chan, given how easy it is for /here/viewers to turn on their chuubas fast. Or not. Either way, I'm keenly observing the future of these companies and how far they'll make it.
>Hylo
The Niji ID Hylo? Now that's spicy.

>>10296168
nta but since when hylo was NijiID?

>>10296168
>pic related
I can tell she means well and is sincere in what she said during the debut fiasco, but the best thing she could have done for her company was to stay out of it and let management handle the PR. And while I do believe that her tweet about being related to Ria was supposed to be in good fun and possibly to build a bridge with Tsunderia, it's really unfortunate that she didn't realize how uncomfortable that would make things for everyone. Another instance of management not taking the lead and advising against a bad idea, but that seems to be par for the course. She's matured since then and I hope for the best for her

>>10296250
>>10296414
My bad. I confused her with Hyona.
>Ria
Oh man, now that's yab. Not gonna comment on their arrangement because I don't know anything about it, but Tsunderia doesn't exactly interact or mention the Rose. But yeah she's probably well-meaning enough since these small corpos do communicate with each other

>>10296526
>>10296414
>>10296168
>>10295776
It's kinda unfortunate because that Yab was bad enough that CBL is now collectively blacklisted from Phase, PRISM, Kawaii and Tsunderia.

>>10296630
Huh, that explains their current collab choices. Lumi did a collab with /wvt/-adjacent (but not necessarily /here/) chuubas like Echo Seren and others. But damn, that's unfortunate. I like Cyberlive's games and content choices.

>>10277200
I know of 774 inc and Im subbed to Rene and Patra. I just dont visit on /hlgg/ anymore

>>10296716
>But damn, that's unfortunate. I like Cyberlive's games and content choices.
Agreed, and same. It's a super unfortunate situation that highlights just how much of a minefield social media use is in a field rooted far more in anon & pseudonymous culture than modern streaming.
I kinda hope it gets resolved eventually but for the time being indie collabs seem to be serving them alright.

>>10292912
I like Tsunderia because it feels closer to a tight-knit group of indies than it does a corporation. They have many of the benefits that a company brings like higher-than-average production values and management to keep things in order, but the talents are given a lot of freedom to make the kind of content they want, collaborate with who they want, and be who they want to be. Basically everyone in Tsunderia right now has talked about how much they love being part of it, and it's pretty easy to see why.

>>10294535
I honestly think Tsunderia would probably implode first before Phase Connect does so yeah, they wont go down anytime soon

>>10296773
In a weird way, they're in a similar position to Tsunderia after Kana left. The initial reaction was incredulity (either that they would let her leave with her model and brand, or that she was ever a part of a company in the first place) followed by suspicion and general distrust after what Kana said about them, but since it turns out she's a complete lunatic that can't be trusted, they're now the most trustworthy and stable startup out there. And that comes even after losing their rising star to NijiEN.
That's pretty close to where Cyberlive is now. They're overcoming the distrust of their debut yabs and, through their streamers providing solid content and a lack of subsequent yabs, are starting to be viewed in a more positive light. It probably won't be long before the other startups drop the collab ban for them

>>10285024
>Also probably the best Apex player in VSPO.
*blocks your path*

>>10296934
If anything, it's only proven that despite their questionable business choices, Tsunderia has an eye for talent.

I like that this post has mostly civilized comments and anons recommending smaller chuubas to others

>>10276638
I've watched a bit of WACTOR (very friendly ES streamers, Thai witch with milkers), but I've only recently heard of Re:Act and VSPO despite them being around for a while. I watch way too many small vtubers, but could someone tell me about the groups a bit?

>>10276638
this explains a lot

>>10276761
spwp

>>10299453
If you know about Laila then you could know about Qu Qualia from Re:Act, she's a cutie and Apex pred, she also plays other FPS games and is a REAL gamer (she crushed almost every minigame in pummel party), she also sings and has a playlist with her covers and original songs in her channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXtQTtPJedfjqEPysorbsMg

>>10300346
Oh, yeah! I saw her in Selen's APEX collab. I even checked her channel, but I guess I forgot she was from Re:Act.

to other anons, have you heard of HEAVENREND? I only know of them because Haruna shares illustrator with three streamers from PhaseConnect, and she shows up in Pippa's chat. It seems to be a newer startup focusing on Twitch.

>>10295422
>They seem to be doing the same experiment as Phase Connect and appeal to /vt/ itself
Not really, some of them are /here/ but they don't actually do any kind of containment breaking on stream (other than the rare dogwhistling of /clg/ injokes; so not even /vt/ as a whole).
>have been in making friends with many /here/ chuubas such as Beatani, the more /vt/-kosher chuubas of /wvt/, Pippa and ex-amber glow Terumi.
You're mostly correct, except there's been no contact with Beatani. Lumi did show up in Kiki's chat however.

>>10277200
Niji collabs a lot outside their group, Holo used to collab with everyone before relatively isolating themselves this past year/2 years. Aside from regular collabs like tokomachi and okayu shiina, the only one who regularly collabs outside in Holo is Roberu, and he collabs with almost everyone.

>>10277200
774 was originally sort of a sister group to Niji since Animare started with lended Niji phone tech, though they switched off sometime after.

>>10302461
you mean rented

>>10301692
I've watched a little of Haruna and love her voice. The company has a few issues, the biggest being the lack of a cohesive art style. They only have 3 chuubas but they all look radically different from each other. It's perfectly indicative of the fact they don't have a brand identity which is arguably more important than streaming talent. Also having some big events to build hype and momentum would really help them out because right now they have none, and constant Apex grinds aren't gonna cut it

>>10298101
>eye for talent
>orla
hanabi is "talented" but that girl can't break 50 viewers if she's not singing, and she's not as memey as PC Uruka to make up for it

tsun is going down unless their next gen can pull them up somehow

>>10304640
I think Tsun/Verse needs specialized marketing. It seems like everyone that does come across an Orla or Hanabi stream tends to love it, but Orla's model is really off-putting to a lot of people, plus she normally streams at a rough time for NA viewers. I think they just need more promotion, and to her credit, Orla is networking with a lot of the other startups. Hanabi should really follow her lead, maybe even reach out to some of the bigger ID groups when she's confident enough. With her voice, I'm sure they'd love to include her

>>10304640
>>eye for talent
>>orla
Yes.

>>10299453
Re:Act: They have some good singers and some that focus on comfy ASMR. I think most of the others are doing variety/gaming content, but I'm not too familiar with them.
VSPO: Cute girls playing FPS competently (mostly Apex). They collab a lot (with other members, FPS chubas from other companies, popular FPS streamerrs etc.) and participate in community/sponsored tournaments. Hard to get into unless you like watching Apex a lot and/or know enough Japanese to appreciate the banter/comedy during collabs, but very fun otherwise.

>>10299453
Only Re:Act girls I follow are Leona, Kyo, and Qu-chan. People already talked about Qu, but Leona and Kyo are some of the best vsingers around. Leona also does a lot of Apex streams and regularly takes part in the vtuber tourney scene, while Kyo is purely a vsinger and released a great album recently https://linkco.re/PXUceeeQ?lang=en..

>>10276758
>>10276902
This

>>10294535
Pretty good assessment though I'd also point out that Prism has the largest paypigs by far. Their numbers are even comparable to NijiEN despite being such a small company. As far as startup companies they're growing the fastest and making the most money, yet even then Yu has said they're currently in the red and mostly propped up by his own cash.

Phase Connect seems like it was poorly planned but they're actually doing alright on the EN side. Pippa is entirely reliant on /here/ shilling but Lia and Uruka are growing at a good pace and Tenma and Iori have really loyal fans. Especially Iori has some really dedicated paypigs and interacts with both her JP and EN fans quite a bit.

Tsunderia are probably the most likely to fall apart. They have some talented girls but they don't stream as frequently as other companies and their growth is totally stagnant. While Phase Connect might have some external yab that causes Pippa or Lia to get fired I don't think they're hurting for money or exposure nearly as much as Tsunderia.

I'd like to shill Kawaii Pro as well, Nene Amano and Isla Coleman are both extremely talented streamers that wouldn't surprise me if they got poached by a larger company soon. Isla is also a great singer and does tons of unique content like video shorts. Charlotte and Reina are okay, I don't watch them much.

>>10295776
Lumi will probably get picked up by Prism or NijiEN at some point. She's way too talented for Cyberlive but not mentally ill enough for Phase Connect.

this is honestly a better thread than most but still, obligatory
>poal
i'm fairly sure most people in /hlgg/ know VOMS seeing how popular Ina/Pika collab was

>>10306519
Actually that has me thinking. From what I hear with Holo they want their people to try to stream three times a week minimum. Do other places have a somewhat firm amount of times a week to stream or is it very flexible without management pestering?

>>10306720
VOMS wasn't on the poll because it's not a corporate agency.

>>10306519
How the hell do you fuck up making money as a vtuber agency? You only have the starting fixed costs of the models and everything after is free money. It makes sense if the vtubers themselves are in the red, but how does an agency go in the red.

>>10306575
lumi for holo en 3

>>10306519
>They have some talented girls but they don't stream as frequently as other companies
Two of their chuubas are also staff, one of their chuubas had their mother and aunt die this year, another one has pretty severe mental and autoimmune issues, and every single one of them either has another job, is taking college courses, or both. And even then, Yuuna and Purin still stream so often that they physically exhaust themselves.
This is why Slugma is so highly revered by both the chuubas and this board. Tsunderia, with less money invested and less oil barons in their fanbase, are more of a financial success than Prism. She's the reason why Tsunderia is the most stable startup, because none of that other shit matters. At the end of the day, it's all about the bottom line. And on top of all that, she still looks out for the well-being of the other streamers.
I do agree about Kawaii though. With one exception, they have the same problem of needing exposure as Tsunderia. Nene's doing a lot of the heavy lifting
>>10306766
It varies by company. I know I've heard some startup chuuba talk about a stream quota, but I can't remember which one it was. I can't imagine it was anyone in Tsunderia with how often one of them gets fucked over by life RNG and needs a hiatus, so it was probably Prism

>>10306844
Actually, isn't Kevin (Phase's CEO) in the red, also? yet he's making a gen 2, even though he has no one to communicate with the JP branch except one staff member and the bilingual talents.
>>10306519
I think someone posted some information about PRISM's current predicament in the general, but I don't really watch Luto anymore to check the threads.

>>10302461
I think they still rent Anycolor studio space/tech for their 3d content so the partnership's still on, though otherwise 774's big enough to be self-sufficient these days.

>>10307057
vtubers are a long term gain short term loss type deal. new gens bring in quick cash, but agencies make money over time

>>10306844
>>10307057
For a vtuber agency it costs a lot of money to create a new gen and hire staff to manage them long-term. Being in the red isn't really a big deal as it's an investment for the future. Prism is starting a 4th gen soon even though they're not profitable, because the goal is to keep rolling the gacha of hiring new talents until you find someone like Fubuki or Mito or even Pikamee that can carry your agency on their back. If you get really lucky you'll even find a Kuzuha or Pekora or Gura that will turn you profitable singlehandedly and reshape the entire landscape of the vtuber industry.

>>10307386
They already have Shiki. If they can't figure out how to turn a profit with her, they don't deserve a Gura

>>10307503
Shiki has problems with her health that prevent her from streaming long-term or doing lots of music content which she's good at, unfortunately.
It's like a double-edged sword where she occasionally has sparks of brilliance in her content but can't really maintain consistency so the people she brings in don't stick around beyond being a dead sub.

>>10276638
This result screams EOP (obviously).

Maha5 is underrated, they may not be very well known in the EN scene, but they have a very competent management, IMO even better than Niji and Holo. Don't let their appearance fool you just because they are from ID.
I mean, they're the only overseas-based agency who had the balls to open a branch in Japan, and they're doing okay for their first 3 months despite no one in Japan knows Maha5 brand beforehand.

If I have to choose which agencies will be able to be on the same league as Hololive and Nijisanji in the future, I will put MAHA5 among the top list, if not the top.

>>10292912
Cyberlive is quickly becoming a fan favorite on /vt/, if anything just for Lumi

>intelligent and will ramble on for hours about random topics like history, literature, and physics
>good game choices like Doom Eternal, modded DS3, and strategy games. she plays on harder difficulties than most
>voice of an angel. sang 30 songs in 1 karaoke stream to celebrate 8k subs last week
>high charisma and a good collab partner. most of her streams have 0 dead air and she matches energy with whoever she's collabing with
>streams 7-8 times per week despite having "lab work" on the side

if not for the debut drama i expect she would've been on par with pippa at the very least.

>>10306519
>I don't think they're hurting for money or exposure nearly as much as Tsunderia.
I always find it funny how people think Tsunderia's hurting for money when they're the only company that explicitly isn't

>>10308305
How does she do it?

>>10308305
Because they're the only company that doesn't have investors or a rich owner that can funnel endless amounts of money into the company to make it profitable. During red months or after a new wave of debuts Tsunderia are probably pretty desperate. Meanwhile Prism can keep going forever because Yu is worth millions.

I am surprised so many people in the board recognize Wactor

>>10309252
Well, the times I see it and/or the general being mentioned, they talk about the spanish speakers and the Thai milkers witch. If not, they'll talk about how the company's chinese.

>>10276761
But "we" do. Kill "our"self dumb nigger.

>>10308397
I don't watch Tsunderia but she is pure
SSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

>>10306575
Nah she'll go indie. Every member of cyberlive owns their models apparently and if anything happens to the company they'll get to keep them. Not to mention Cyberlive's cut is one of the more generous ones out of all the agencies while Prism has the worst with 50% cuts.

There's a reason why in the past few weeks you hear the talents talk about how they're not making much money at all and they feel pressured by the management at every step of the way despite having some of the biggest oil barons in the industry. Yura has talked about Prism a lot in her streams and the company itself seems to be a mix of japanese stubbornness and old fashioned thinking akin to Hololive while not giving the talents the things they need.

>>10311952
Was Prism the one with the bullshit memberships? Like they were all tiered and had tiered content and also the rates for the tiers were bigger than average? They seem like a greedy bunch (management, not the girls)

>>10312353
Yes they were the ones with bullshit memberships. Their excuse for it was something like they did a lot of research and the high price was what they deemed to be the optimal pricing but then their talents barely got anyone for their most expensive memberships and they had a backlash and decided to follow the rest of the industry themselves.

What's the deal with cyberlive? whyare they on the shit list of the other startups?

>>10312980
Ah, yes, the "research", the same excuse big corps use when they underpay their employees and say "we did our research and came up with this salary which is similar to the other companies that do the same" and then you do your research and find out that other people get payed x1.5 of what you get doing the same work

>>10313441
They also offer 0% loans to their talents to buy things they need for their content. Shiki talked about it. It's kinda like a Yakuza-ish behavior, isnt it?

>>10278113
wait, hachi isn't indie?

>>10313688
Nah, the Yakuza actually lend you money, it has a 15% or more interest rate since they're loan sharks but at least you have a choice

>>10313688
The loan isn't all that weird. Imagine giving out 1-2k to an unproven talent to buy a PC. Its the 50% cut after YT fees and conversion that's worrying.

>>10314056
The question is if they give you a phone like most do to use as a camera or you have to get that yourself

If anyone here is curious about what makes Tsunderia special, there's a full 1st gen collab starting now. It'll be pretty obvious what sets them apart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxzd0VKyWbU

>>10327025
But I want to watch Slugma.

>>10327025
>Open stream
>Girls making cute noises for few minutes straight
Yeah man, so special

>>10296526
>Tsunderia doesn't exactly interact or mention the Rose
Miori covered her song though, they're probably not in bad terms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW_1-_sgSHY

>>10328006
But that's her gen's song, not hers alone. And yeah, the piano rendition is great though.

>>10328169
Still, if they had something against her I imagine she'd choose another song and avoid Obsydia, possibly Diamond City Lights or something completely different

As someone who watches a lot of kawaii this is my opinion on the good things and the bad things
-Bad
The company seems really barebones they only have one manager Kchan doing all the work, and they seriosly lack on the promotion department. Also only Isla and Nene have mods for their chat so spammers and bots get away pretty easily.
- Good
Despite doing almost nothing as publicity all the talents have more than 15k subs and a dedicated fanbase. Even Reina the one with the least subscribers and live viewers gets a lot of akasupas.

>>10307386
Gura and Pekora were streaming before they got their current characters. They blew up because they got the exposure they needed on an already big platform, they aren't the ones who created said platform. Apex guy was already famous before they hired him, from what I've heard. None of that is really replicable by a startup.

>>10329737
Also speaking a bit more into the talents.
>Isla:
Im going to be a little biased here because she is my oshi but all of her streams are really entertaining you don't know what you will get everytime she streams. For example one day she wanted to do an after party for one of her covers that endend in viewers making clickbait titles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_xFhcYFE9Y&t=8203s.. Also she really grinds hard for her covers doing recently a 4 week cover relay witch at least in my opinion all of them where excellent. If i had to say something bad it would be she gets sick easily and she normally have a lot of small hiautus.
>Reina:
She is the smallest of the bunch in terms of subscribers and live viewers but at the same time that makes easier interacting with her and she really gives a lot of atention to her chat, she really seems to enjoy streaming going easily for 3+ every stream and recently she invested 600+ dollars on a new mic just to improve her streaming. As far as content go she is a gfe vtuber who mostly does game streams and zatsudans, she also is interested in doing more karaoke witch is good because she is a competent singer. The bad would be she has a bit of dead air and some guys on her chat are really attention seekers that they get because her chat is really slow.
>Charzu:
If i would describe Charzu as a vtuber she is an imouto type character who is bully bait with how mad she gets at things and her bad opinions on her tierliest stream. She also is really creative and always tries to do something new for her streams like when she debuted as morgan freeman. Like seriously https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwVzkR7lp34 . As bad things i would say that her voice can filter a lot of people and she does a lot of streams where she does things based on how much people pay so that can rub someone the wrong way.
>Nene:
To be honest i don't have much to say about Nene because i don't really watch her but as far as i know she is a really dedicated streamer and a hardcore weeb who also does some gfe

>>10329905
>Apex guy was already famous before they hired him, from what I've heard
You have heard rrats from this holoschizos. Kzh wasn't even breaking 4 digit viewers back when he joined Nijisanji (the first two months in picrel were before he joined Nijisanji), which I'll admit is a lot for a startup company and streamers in general, but it's nowhere near what he pulls now. He had to grind for years to get to that position, which is why he's also just a bad example for a talent that will make you an overnight success.

Nijisanji and the current livestreaming live2d vtubing exists in the way it does mainly because they lucked out with finding Mito who's a once in a generation talent as a small startup. She also had no history of streaming before she joined Nijisanji. Now you can of course argue that finding your own Mito is easier said than done, and putting that expectation on any startup's talent scouting is foolhardy.

>>10276638
Tsunderia is surprisingly high, but I think that is simply due to being around the longest and being first rather than them being respected and having good marketing compared to the groups now

>>10328416
she’s mentioned on stream that she just really likes the song, not particularly Obsydia as a group of streamers.

>>10332618
Speaking frankly, none of the startups have good marketing, or any marketing at all besides making a bunch of threads here and taking out YouTube ads. But in the entertainment industry especially, being around the longest necessitates a certain amount of respect just because of how hard it is to remain relevant and profitable

>>10332860
They aren't relevant though. Every single other agency who came out after has surpassed them in a far shorter time frame.

>>10332860
I would say Prism and Cyber do. They both at least try with social media and spend money doing so. Kawaii and Tsunderia are the worst since they do little to nothing. Phase does ads but their socials are dead other than that.

>>10282581
>>10282905
There are countless chuubas I thought were indie before hearing about their companies much later. Especially happens with small companies as their name doesn't really provide any advantage whatsoever and thus isn't put forward. Kana was in Tsunderia contract for quite a while before people were even aware of Tsunderia existence. Some indie vtubers using this board like Yoro or Nyaru aren't technically indie because under some kind of agency, but even if it was a real company the contrat wasn't even written and honestly no one knows about the company at all, their top talents are much more a famous than them. Same with Pippa, before I only knew about her from twitter and watched a stream sometimes, it's only later I realize she was in a company by looking in the archives here.

>>10332995
They're extremely relevant in the greater VTubing community outside of this board, especially with the larger indies and other startups they're networked with. The first company to partner with VTube Studio, multiple collaborative projects with Niji KR, involved in a music project that involves a member of Holo ID, a former member in Obsydia and a contact in HoloCouncil...you can't tell me that they're irrelevant with all this going for them.
In terms of subs, they definitely lag, but subs are a meaningless metric. They don't have many whales, and that's a bit more meaningful. But in terms of average concurrent viewers across their whole company, as well as ratio of viewers to subs, they're still at or near the top (difficult to accurately gauge with YouTube's fucked up viewer tracking). My theory is that it's indicative that Tsunderia's content quality is at or near the top since they retain a higher percentage of viewers than the other startups, and are only struggling in other areas because they don't know how to attract new fans, which is where marketing comes in

>>10333928
I think the better word is they aren't inclining. They have stayed where they used to be for months. Their new generation did nothing for them.

>>10334042
It's been a very slow incline, but you're right about the new generation. Orla's networking game is pretty solid, but she's also trying to overcome an extremely garish model and stream time debuffs. Hanabi needs a lot of work getting herself out there. If she targeted the ID community the way Purin targeted the PH community when she started out, she has a ton of growth potential

>>10334411
Orla's fucking powerful. I don't give a shit about her games and model is a bit weird, but she managed to make me watch her and stay. Would be cool if her next outfit has her hair down and lighter make up like in dem fanarts.

>>10334411
>>10338142
LMAO Orla purposely wanted her model to be garish like that, doubt she'll ever change things.

>>10313387
Several fuck ups

>>10284576
I don't watch much VSPO but this anon is based. Knows exactly what he wants.
As a holofag, I've heard of Noah back when she collabed with Fubuki on an Apex tournament. I also subbed to her because her design is top tier.

>>10280156
People probably don't even know Rene is 774 because her unit is called SugarLyric.

>>10278113
>Hachi belongs to an agency
Noted. Ok.

>>10279897
Hi anon, you got a specific timestamp for the piano Senbonzakura?
I think I spent a bit of time skimming streams for it back when someone posted a song thread, but I wasn't able to find it.

>>10296934
What did Kana do now? I am way out of the loop on her being a lunatic.

>>10346887
Have you considered checking out the link he posted?

>>10347097
>put Amashiro on blast publicly for ignoring her requests for a new outfit, chalked it up to her only liking Gura
>sperged out at her YouTube chat at the end of a Limbo stream, calling them a bunch of assholes and then privating the VOD (picrel, posted immediately following the end of the stream)
>sperged out at her YouTube chat again on her final stream on the platform because she misused the word "remorse" and was called out for it. She immediately ended the stream after being live for only 10 minutes and never streamed on YouTube again
>Refused to announce to her YouTube audience, including her paid members, that she would no longer stream on that platform for a full month

On top of these specific incidents, she constantly says one thing then does the opposite. Notable examples of this are saying she doesn't care about growing her audience and then complaining that her discoverability is worse on YouTube as justification for leaving the platform. Another example is claiming that she loves the freedom of being an indie and would never join another agency, but she's mused in her Discord that she could use management, such as the kind in VShojo

>>10347964
posted after ending the 10 minute stream

>>10347964
>>10348023
She deserves everything that's coming to her. You never ever disrespect your fans.

>She deserves everything that's coming to her. You never ever disrespect your fans.

>>10347964
>>10348023
Holy menhera...how do people put up with that shit?

>>10349433
Just from skimming her general, I think they get off on how menhera she is. Maybe they like being abused, or they think they can save her from herself? Shit's fucked up over there

>>10276638
That feel when Guild CQ is so irrelevant and unknown that it's not even on the poll.

I literally only follow hololive. it's all I need.

>>10358523
Yeah, we can see that

>>10357896
They're probably just not on their for the same reason VOMS isn't. That said, I'm not sure if some companies actually are 個人勢 or just using it as an excuse to not have to act like a company.

>>10346887
If you're talking about NoIR, it's hard but she does do it every stream. Too bad she's been on hiatus for now.

>>10276638
Well, I admit I don't know most of these. Know NoriPro, PRism, heard of VSPO. It's less of a "I don't do my reps" and more of a "I'm already settled". I don't need to watch
any more
>Started with hololive (only Ayame)
>went into a "company hate" phase and looked for indies
>dropped all except one because westerners without company that keeps them on a leash = shitty politics on stream and otherwise APEXAPEXAPEX
>Had heard of Niji before
>NijiEN debuts
>Shit's good, Pomu new oshi (Ayame still kamioshi)
>Get into Mao as well on the JP side
>Indie, Pomu, Selen, Mao and it's already too many streams to handle
I don't need to know more.