/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>1024625
>STILL worse at speaking it than Ina
Wanna know how I know you can't understand any japanese at all?
Mori's nihongo is A LOT better than Ina's, she is just more self-conscious about it.

>>1024662
>more self-conscious than the hyper perfectionist
No. It also doesn't help she fucks it up on purpose half the time.

>>1024662
Ina got a higher N3 rating than Mori on the online test

>>1025340
>unironically using an online test as a metric

>>1024625

Maybe she's not Japanese OP.

>>1024625
She’s a stupid white woman

>>1025340
A test will assess whether you know something but having what is essentially theoretical knowledge and being able to apply it are two completely different things. If it wasn't then all the r9k people who've read pages upon pages about dating would be absolute Chads and somewhere else besides r9k

>>1024625
Ina is asian and Mori is white

>>1024662
larp

Tokyo is very friendly to English speakers. I’m not exaggerating when I say you could vacation there for a couple weeks and just know very basic Japanese greetings and you would do fine. I lived there for a few years and unfortunately only learned basic stuff. I was able to go out and about pretty regularly and not have to much issues.

The nigger of nippon, the spook of sendai, the jiggaboo of gifu, the miyagi moon cricket, the kyoto coon, the saitama spade, the tarbaby of tokushima , the third worst thing to fly into japan, the one, the only, Calliope Mori!

>>1024662
I don't really watch the ENs but Mori's accent is horrible

>>1024625
American education turns people into retards. This is the first time she has ever actually needed to use her brain. Why do you think Ame and shark are also so dumb?

>>1026182
>the third worst thing to fly into japan

>>1026252
As an American I feel compelled to tell you that we no longer have an education system we have an indoctrination system. I'm not defending anything by the way, I'm just saying.

>>1025441
That's what tests are made for, anon

>>1024625
Too little actual real life practice.

>>1026273
>trusting ONLINE tests

>>1026290
Why did Ina score better than Mori?

>>1024625
I consume Japanese shit for like 15 years and I know like 50 kanji at best.

English is my second language but I learned it to advanced level after like 10 years of watching movies/anime and playing games with English subs without any significant effort.

Japanese requires serious work and learning.

>>1026328
Speaking and listening is much easier than reading and writing. Fuck kanji, seriously. I was in Japan for like 3 weeks and my listening and speaking got really fucking good. But I still can't read or write very well.

>NARUU HODOW NE

>anti tries the language angle
How many more times are you going to be BTFO'd, Chilean?

>>1026309
LARP answer: hur Mori retarded
Non-LARP answer: Ina knows a lot more kanji and grammar rules. Mori picked up the language by speaking it on a daily basis, so she knows the words and can easily hold a conversation more fluent and difficult than Ina could, but her grasp of grammar and kanji reading is pretty terrible.

>>1024625
Putting an effort into learning it vs not caring at all

>>1026381
Scientific answer: Asain people are more intelligent than whitoids

Ina's Asian.

>>1026430
Half. The other half is asian too.

>>1025469
Ina isn't either. She's Worst Korean-Canadian. Kiara is a huwaito piggu and she is perapera.

>>1026425
>>1026430
>>1025682
>>1025493
oh no no no no, the SEAniggers really trying hard to make themselves feel better
meanwhile the 'white woman' is headlining one of the biggest multimedia projects from Cover

>>1024662
wtf?ina is pretty much coversationally fluent, have you seen her collabs with pochi or the gen 5s? calli has barely functional japanese and her pronunciation is an absolute meme

>>1026252
Isn't Gura a transplant from Canada? Ame can speak a bit in Japanese and her understanding of spoken JP is better than beginner level.

>>1026496
Filipinos are the most powerful race on earth

>>1026526
Of mole rat

>>1026328
The Japanese writing systems are awful. I got through hiragana alright and thought it was good, then i moved onto katakana and still think it was a mistake. Now im into kanji and while its cool to occasionally be like "oh this character is a combo of this and this which makes this, neat", overall im still just annoyed they decided the make a symbol for every damn, including changing the meaning of those symbols when combined with other symbols.

Hiragana is the equivilent of our own alphabet, just with more consistent pronunciation rules. Katakana and kanji are just fluff really. Especially katakana.

>>1026496
How does it feel you lost your women to both niggers and Japs lol?

>>1026619
>>1026526
How does it feel for your country to be sold out to the Chinks?

>>1026571
Katakana is literally hiragana with different symbols though, learning it is just as easy as learning hiragana.

>>1026647
If only. I live in America the kikes already bought it

>>1026648
Exactly. Learning it is easy. The point it learning it is a waste of fucking time because its the exact same fucking time. These dumb shits invented a second alphabet for themselves which only serves to point out when words arent native to japan.

>>1026496
>the 'white woman' is headlining one of the biggest multimedia projects from Cover
Is that supposed to be a btfo? That white women hate white culture?

>>1026328
>I consume Japanese shit for like 15 years and I know like 50 kanji at best.
You probably consume that content in japanese so I'm not surprised, had you actually tried to read stuff in japanese you'd have reached a good level of fluency if a couple of years.

>>1026673
didn't consume*

>>1026328
it's definitely because for us letters are just indicators of sound and they instead slap an entire concept onto a single scribble

>>1026496
>White women dedicates her entire life to learning a nigger musical style and then flees the western hemisphere the first second she gets the chance
How will we ever recover SEAmonkey bros?

People defending Kanji are really oblivious. Even japs think their system is retarded. It has its pros, but the cons far outweigh it. Koreans were smart in what they did with Hangul.

knowlegde of korean helps learning japanese a lot thats why

>>1024625
She's a spaz that pickled her brain with alcohol.

>>1026571
If you learn 2000 kanji you automatically will posses a huge vocabulary.

When you learn English you have to memorize like 10-30k words with multiple forms and exceptions.

>>1027409
I thought smart people drank more.

JET teachers can't speak Japanese for shit. Then again, some of them can barely use English anyways.

>>1026664
I sort of agree, but feel obliged to point out that English has a second - very similar - alphabet with identical meaning too...

a A b B c C d D...

>>1024662
>she is just more self-conscious about it
Seems to be a common thing with Americans who are learning foreign languages.

>>1027528
wut

>>1027646
means that upper and lower case look different but mean the same, I disagree on calling it a "second alphabet" tho

>>1027689
>tfw only know how to write in cursive

>>1027627
oh god how i want this

>>1027717
Upper case cursive is fucked up beyond comprehension

>>1027737
The thought of japs trying to figure out stuff like capital cursive Q is killing me right now

JP girls speak broken English
>"Wow that's adorable! She's really trying her best! Keep it up!"
Mori speaks understandable but poorly pronounced Japanese
"Cringe. Seriously, this is the best she can do after years? That's embarrassing."

It's no wonder she almost never does JP streams anymore.

>Basically she's mush too busy in doing caretaker task for one of her coworkers.

>>1027808
Do the japs not have a fetish for foreign girls speaking broken Japanese? Or is that purely a yellow fever thing?

>>1027791
>>1027737
>americans

>>1028005
all fetishes for "girl doing X" really just boil down to "PRETTY girl doing X", and that depends on the person's tastes

>>1027142
koreans are retarded with what they did with Hangul
Imagine making your own alphabet from scratch, specifically tailored to your own language, and STILL fail to have consistent pronounciation rules

>>1027717
I also only know how to write in cursive, and really badly too, my handwriting is completely unintelligible, back in school my teachers sometimes told me that they weren't able to read what I wrote.

>>1028071
purebred yuro here, get fuckt

>>1027142
Kanji is the greatest casual filter there is.

>>1026252
Why does Gura get to bite Mori's tits but I don't

This is unfair

>>1028077
>and that depends on the person's tastes
I meant everyone with Asian fetish seems to enjoy the accent, is there really no equivalent guys in Japan "bleachers" or something like that?

>>1028179
Apply for gen2.0 and you will be able to chomp on them

>>1028071
never seen an american in my life
t. spic

>>1028182
Based on comments under Japanese translations of western reaction channels, it seems like the Japanese actually find foreigners who speak (broken) Japanese cute. This applies to both males and females.

>>1026381
>>1026425
>>1026496
Its almost like growing up in an English speaking country but speaking Korean at home prepares you more for learning Japanese. Japanese is an extremely easy language for Koreans learn, but one of the most difficult for English speakers. Ina was put in the moat easymode situation for learning Japanese out of all of HoloEN. Meanwhile Mori likely had to go out of her way and work double time to learn Japanese as a teenager and adult with no prior experience.

>>1027717
>>1028135
>only know how to write in cursive
How is this even possible? Virtually everything you read, including this post, is in print-type; can't you just copy what you read every single day onto a piece of paper?

>>1028005
I wouldn't say fetish, but Japanese people do find foreigners speaking Japanese cute and/or funny in much the same way you would find a Japanese person speaking English, yes. The only people making fun of white girl speaking mediocre Japanese are other non-Japanese people who think they can do better.

>>1026328
asian languages are absolutely retarded

I'm ESL and I HATE foreigners trying to speak my language. It's disgusting. If you aren't native, don't bother. I WILL pretend to not understand you.

>>1029131
>can't you just copy what you read every single day onto a piece of paper?
No since I'm not used to writing in that style, when I try to do it it's very slow and the letter end up looking even weirder than my cursive

>>1029306
why

>>1024662
moron

>>1029306
>foreigner wants to visit your country and experience your culture
>puts in the effort and basic respect to learn a few simple phrases
>be rude to her for no reason
Ogey

>>1029436
Speak English then. I will still pretend to not understand, but at least you will spare my ears.

>>1029467
>>1029306
found the zhang

>>1024625
I can't imagine moving to a country where can't speak the national language in

>>1029131
I was taught like that in elementary
And not one teacher complained about having a hard time understanding my script so no reason to change
although at one point in middle school I started asking myself why everyone else wrote in print type and I asked my native language teacher if I should change my writing to be like others to which she replied "oh please no" with some measure of disgust in her tone so I kept at it like this

>>1029306
>>1029467
found the Frenchman

>>1029306
I'm native english speaker from refugee parents and I LOVE foreigners trying to speak my language. It's endearing. If you aren't native, please don't feel self concious. I WILL try to understand you.

T. Less menhera than you

>>1029306
without fail, it's these types of ESLs that are the most incoherent when speaking english

Her accent is stereotypically american. It's the accent japanese comedians will use to play a foreigner speaking japanese.

>>1028110
>and STILL fail to have consistent pronounciation rules
This is how I know you haven't actually seriously studied Korean. Korean pronunciation actually has consistent rules to it, to the point where all of the little caveats like palatalization, aspiration, and nasalization can be compiled into a simple "pronunciation book" for beginners.

>>1029828
based

>>1029828
th-thanks anon

>>1029954
>letters are sometimes pronounced differently or even not at all depending on their placement inside a syllabe
why not just write them like they are pronounced in the first place?

>>1029306
Je viendrai dans ton pays
Je parlerai ta langue
Je n'utiliserai JAMAIS des accents
Je ferai des erreurs de grammaire
Tu devras ecouter mon accent anglo fort
Tu grimacerai et bouillirai

Nique ta mere puis ta gueule, pede

>>1028942
its marginally easier and you can definition grasp concepts easier but its such a meme when people say japanese is so easy to learn if you have background in other asian languages. i speak fluent mandarin and cantonese and japanese grammar makes 0 sense to me, prob because i naturally think in english now so i cant covert japanese to chinese, i go from japanese to english and that shit just doesnt work.

>>1030015
Because absolutely no language actually does that. You'd have to dive deeper into linguistics for a full explanation but if you're going to complain about a language's written system not adhering to its pronunciation, Korean is quite literally the last language you should be looking at. It's got the privilege of being developed much later in history relative to other languages and you can tell by how it actually matches up voiced and unvoiced consonant pairs in its alphabet and actually has few vowel sounds than written characters for them. In comparison, English has only 5 vowel characters (6 if you count Y), yet there are 11 main vowel sounds.

>>1029828
I'm a native English speaker, and not only do I LOVE and appreciate foreigners trying to speak English, I will even change the way I speak, including slowing down and using more Latin or Germanic-based words (depending on your first language) to make myself more understandable to YOU. I'll probably even buy you a drink at my favorite bar and play some pool with you if you want; any fag who flew halfway around the world to visit my town and check out my culture is unequivocally based and welcome no matter how bad they are at speaking my language.

>>1024625
What's the point of this thread again? You even acknowledged that she started taking lessons again and it has only been a few months since she started. By the end of the year she'll be a lot better at speaking Japanese but at the moment she knows enough to be able to hold a conversation. But here you go turning this into some tribalistic bullshit by bringing Ina into it, who's not even that much better at it. So what the fuck is YOUR problem?

>>1030077
From what I've heard Korean has a similar topic based grammar and is rather synthetic like japanese, which basically means a lot of conjugation. English and Chinese languages are on the other hand rather analytic, we don't do the weird morphing shit that a lot of other languages do. Even Spanish morphology and whatnot can trouble English speakers because we just aren't super used to it.
Anecdotally, adults seem to grasp analytic easier than synthetic.

>>1029306
I can tell you can't speak English worth a shit in real life. Be respectful of others learning a language instead of seething on a Laotian croqueting forum about it.

>>1030077
I don't think people realize how different Japanese and Mandarin are. But it is true that Koreans and Japanese have much less trouble learning each others languages. Just from the getgo the basic sentence structure for both languages is basically the same (subject, object, verb) and grammar rules often overlap. Obviously the phonetics are somewhat similar as well (though much less similar than the grammar). It's no wonder why Ina's Japanese sounds way better than Mori's. My question is why does Gura have so much better pronunciation than Mori even though her level of Japanese is comparable to Ame's?

>>1030352
Calm down SEAbro, we love our boy but it's undeniable that she should be better at Japanese than the other ENs at this point except Kiara.

>>1026182
The Wakandan of Wakoku. The Yoruba of Yamato. The Zulu of Zipang.

>>1024625
I can explain this. I taught myself Japanese for 3 years and took 2 advanced semesters in College before moving to Japan for work. Lived there about 6 months, practically never spoke the language or needed it. Most the time you order food with tickets, people would rather speak in broken english to gaijin, it's very VERY easy to fall into an english bubble where you can live an easy life in Japan without ever having to say a word. Not once did I ever think to myself "Thank God I know Japanese or I'd be screwed here!" Unlike Coco, if you're white, people default to English and you sort of just go with it.

The truth is, anytime she’s gonna speak in Japanese our parrot hero jumps in and starts talking with Japanese guys in their language.
I mean, she is not translating what Mori said. She just speaks even before Mori opens her mouth.

>>1027142
かな だけ で かく の も よみ づらい から にほんご に は かんじ しか むいてない
スペース いれても あまり やく に たたない
Romaji is even worse btw

>>1024625
Some people have a better ear for languages than others and out of the EN, Mori unironically has the worst ear for it. Ina's got a buff from being gook, Gura's got an unusually good ear for pronunciation despite barely being able to read kana, Ame's is surprisingly good for how little she's studied, and Kiara is obviously the most talented with languages. That doesn't mean that Mori's not going to make it in Japan, she's just going to have to put in more hours on the speaking part of learning Japanese.

>>1030468
Gura is a very adept singer. Even if she hasn't studied the language, if she's mindful of her pronunciation, and specially if she's practiced in other languages, Japanese shouldn't be hard to recite. There's very little in Japanese that you will have complications with if you speak Spanish or Italian, because Japanese phonology and phonotactics aren't particularly complicated. EFLs have trouble with it only because English phonology and phonotactics are particularly restrictive, i.e. an English accent is just as obvious in Spanish as it's in Japanese.

The most difficult thing to grasp when speaking Japanese is the tone accent, since not many languages have something like it. And in that respect I'm surprised Mori is also pretty bad at it, despite being a musician and being surrounded with people that speak the language her accent is very, very noticeable, even to me who's only recently started to learn the language.

>>1030770
This. It's easy to say kanji is dumb an unnecessary, but try reading shit like this for more than a minute or those NHK PSAs they put out so even children and foreigners can sort of understand and it nearly gives you an aneurysm trying to make sense of it. Kanji may be a pain to learn, but they make sentences way more readable most of the time.

>>1030770
>>1030871
If you can speak without kanji then how come you can't read without kanji?

Checkmate, weebs.

>>1030826
In Mori's case, it might be an age thing. Monolingual English speakers have a really tough time with phonetics (and gaining fluency in general) if they start learning a new language after high school, and even more so if they start after college age. I'm pretty sure Gura's been singing Japanese songs ever since she was young, so she unknowingly trained her ear and tongue for it from a young age. Though with Mori being a singer/rapper, it is indeed curious that she hasn't focused more on pronunciation with how much linguistics study goes hand-in-hand with her profession.

>>1030954
A lot of the words sound the same
When you're speaking with someone it's super easy to know the context of what's being talked about
Meanwhile when looking at bare text, without kanji you'd never know which meaning of the word it's supposed to be

>>1030954
itsahugepainintheassbecausereadingjapanesewithoutkanjifeelsalotlikereadingenglishwithoutspaces

You can say anything in 4chan, but please stop nitpicking and bullying Mori. She’s the most fragile member of ENs. She’ll cry!

>>1031040
>>1031045
That post was obviously a joke

>>1031128
Good I want her to cry

>>1031130
You'd be surprised by how dumb people are on here
That's why it's generally advised to not say dumb stuff on purpose

>>1024625
Ina is bilingual. It’s easier for someone who speaks two languages to learn a third.

>>1031045
thatsnotsohardtoreadyourbrainjustneedstogetusedtoit

>>1031167
Good. As she said, the more she cries the more she becomes strong. It’s just like dragon ball Z. You’ll kneel to her.

>>1031040
English, and plenty of other languages have a large number of homophones. And moreover, language evolves. In a system without kanji, if homophones caused confusion, new terms would spring up to make communication easier.

>>1029810
Nah it's deffo a ching chong, not like they can talk anyway since they grunt like cavemen and sing like they've got marbles stuffed in their nose.

>>1029131
I went to a Catholic grade school and after we learned cursive that is what we were expected to write in. Because of that I began to only write in cursive and my regular print writing degenerated from not being used for so long.

>>1031128
>Most fragile
>Not Kiara

>>1031128
>She’s the most fragile member of ENs.
That's Kiara though

>>1031316
Why are you arguing in this thread when it's obvious your knowledge of Japanese is as deep as a skimmed wikipedia article? Homophones are dramatically more common in Japanese than in English, retard.

>>1027142
>Koreans were smart in what they did with Hangul.
Imagine believing this lol. I bet you're one of those Japanese "learners" who got filtered by Chinese characters and decoded it was the language's fault.

i want to motorboat her roommate's ass

She's a dumb wigger woman unlike Ina

>>1026496
Rangeban SEA when?

>>1029828
>I'm native english speaker from refugee parents
Go back to your own country

>>1028942
sometimes im glad to be korean

>>1032096
Ina looking good in her new hairstyle

>>1030871
>but try reading shit like this for more than a minute
That problem would be instantly solved if japs would just use spaces like sane people.

>>1032290
That example post had spaces.

>>1032096
It's weird how much this instantly makes her look like a boy

>>1024625
1st gen. migrants stop learning a language once they have just enough to get by. My understanding is they do this out of resentment.
Mori is in this boat.

>>1032096
>wigger AND a weeb
Does Mori hate being white?

>>1028201
You must be a girl to not get your app tossed immediately.

>>1030339
I find it cute how so many non native english speakers are very apologetic despite having extremely good speaking skills, I always try to make them feel better about themselves.

>>1028005
They do. Clips of Gura speaking a little Japanese are relatively popular with JP audiences.

>>1029828
>>1030339
In my experience, people who screech the most about ESLs are usually ESLs themselves, trying to stay high on the pecking order, so to speak. I knew guy who called every other person an ESL and he was a little south american sissy faggot

>>1030339
I remember watching a video about this, aren't most of our Germanic rooted words/vocabulary more familiar language, whereas Latin/Romance derived speech is more formal and stuffy? Doesn't it thus seem like you're getting overly familiar with German speakers, or super detached with those who speak Romantic languages?

>>1030077
>i speak fluent mandarin and cantonese and japanese grammar makes 0 sense to me
Mandarin and Cantonese aren't Korean anon.

>>1025340
Those tests are in no way how natives actually speak. Its the same shit as when the JP holos try online Eigo tests

>>1032044
English has way more commonly used allophones. Sure, there's a bunch of kanji that can be read "chou", but "ain't" alone can stand for up to eight contractions of basic verbs. English must be the only language where it's easier for native speakers than second language speakers to make mistakes like your-you're or here-hear.

>>1030556
Whatever. I'll just wait until her next JP stream collab so she can BTFO all the non-believers herself. That's what she's best at after all

>>1029810
nah, in my experience the French are arrogant in that they're gonna pretend not to know English unless you attempt to speak French. Once you make a poor attempt to order your bagel in Frog, then they'll be like 'is okay, I know English, you want butter on that?'

>>1032756
Yes. Definitely a coalburner as well. Sad to see

>>1033034
Remember that one guy that insisted he didn't have an accent and keep sperging out about ESL?
Good times.

>>1033392
ogey

>>1033066
Yes, I think it's a holdover from the Norman conquest period when English nobles spoke French, so to this day we consider French- and Latin-sounding words formal or fancy/posh.
>Doesn't it thus seem like you're getting overly familiar with German speakers, or super detached with those who speak Romantic languages?
There's really no such thing as sounding overly familiar in English just from word choice unless you break into outright slang and colloquialisms, which you would obviously avoid if talking to an ESL. Using a lot of latin-origin words does come off as stuffy to another native English speaker, but I don't think ESLs pick up on that aspect of it.

For example, this sentence would be easier to comprehend for a French person. In another way, this writing would not be hard to understand for a German. Or at least I assume so, I'm pretty much making that up based on my own knowledge of word origins and assume they mostly hold up with the modern languages.

>>1028942
If Kiara learned fluent Japanese in less than 6 months as a dumb teenager on the internet, Mori has no excuse.

>>1033569
Was that supposed to btfo his argument? Like you said, Kiara was a dumb teenager on the internet with nothing else to do. Mori had 3 jobs until recently and is way busier overall than Kiara was when she learned Japanese.

>>1033809
I don't know about you, but I think learning the language of the country you're living in should probably be higher on the totem pole than any of the shit Mori's preoccupied with. Especially now that she doesn't need 3 jobs to survive in a country whose language she can't speak.

>>1033890
Sure, but you're acting as if she doesn't speak a lick of Japanese. She knows enough to do business in Japan and can hold a conversation with her Japanese friends.

>>1033890
She's not going to learn the language because she's a self-entitled wh*te w*man. The worst kind of gaijin.

>>1033890
Like it's already been said in this thread, Japan makes it very easy to not learn the language while being there. She probably gains more from it now that she has her senpai to work with than she did before.

>>1033809
>>1033890
Mori plays up the American accept just like Coco use to do when she debuted. Its all part of her character. Sure Kiara has better pronunciation but what do you expect from someone that's doing everything in their power to make themselves Japanese?

rrat: She hasn't done JP collabs because she's scared her shit nihongo will get exposed
Korona collab doesn't count since they were mostly talking English and the game was brainlet tier to begin with

>>1033034
Most of the larping JSL's in vyt were SEAnigs, whenever someone complains about m-muh eops its usually them.

>>1034251
>ywn be called a filthy EOP by Reine or Ayunda
[chair clattering]

>>1029810
Nope, that's the italians.

They have so much pride of italy, it's like they bleed their country.

>>1025340
Have you ever listened to JP holo streams anon? You can understand half of it if you know the following:

> hontoni?
> WUUAAAAAAAAAAAA YAME YAME
> kowai
> kawaii
> nani?
> aaaaa nandeeeeee??
> hidoi
> sugoi
> iie
> suki
> kensetsu
> Osoroshi
> osu
> Dekimasen
> waranai

>>1033034
Your experience is wrong, screeching at ESLs is a mean for americans to be racist against undefined people because they have a NEED to seethe.

>>1026526
No that would be Indians. They are gonna own microsoft within 10 decades!

>>1026526
When those self-hating subhumans become dominant force of the world, humanity will truly be doomed.

>>1034049
You had no idea she existed half a year ago, and you know she's a self-entitled white woman just from a character she plays

>>1034394
>italians
>proud of their country
They're second only to pinoys in self-hating

>>1024625
she's white

>>1024625
She's american

>>1024625
If you started learning a language after about the age of 13, it takes even the smartest people in the world about a decade to become proficient.

>>1034341
one supa and I can achieve nirvana

>>1036784
Not proficient. Native level fluency? Maybe 10 years, that seems pessimistic but that's not a terrible lower range. You can be communicating effectively, like full time office job level, much sooner than that though.

>>1028225
Doesn't that mean you're Latin American?

>>1027627
>got her nails done
>got her eye lashes extended
>starts wearing cute dresses
your pic is inacurate

>>1038969
This is all Kiara's fault

>>1038969
You WILL kneel before the tomboy slayer

>>1031223
This.Learninggermanwasanadvantageinthissenseformebecauseofhowtheysometimesjoinseveralwordstogethertomakeonelongword

>>1039025
>fault

I hate her with a passion but this is an improvement in almost every way. A rare blessing from the chicken. The tomboy (I know she hates it) becoming the pure idol she knows she can be, overcoming all her rough spots and being reborn into a girl that can inspire and motivate others. Mori is that already, but is only just now coming to accept her softer adorable girly side. This IS the PEAK of the tomboy idol arc. She is the IRL equivalent to a Makoto Kikuchi type, the international prototype standard for tomboy idols.

I look forward to the day the ReCalliBration is complete.

I want a real answer to this. If you're in your mid 30s is it too late to learn a new language.

>>1042054
No your celing just goes down as you age
Above 8 or 9? You'll always have an accent. Above 20? Your accent will be thick and you won't be able to think in the language naturally.
People move to the US and learn English at like 40

>>1024625
I imagine Ina is better due to her work as a professional feelance artist that gets contracted by multiple Japanese companies. Mori for a while was mostly an underground indie while Ina had to work with a lot of professional companies so she had to pick up a decent amount of Japanese just by virtue of her work.

>>1042406
Ina is better because she knew Korean
Language drift

>>1042101
>Your accent will be thick
This isn't true at all lmao

Ina's Japanese IS better but you wouldn't think so if you watch her JP Holo collabs like the Polka/Nene one or the Mel one today.

Watch her collab with Iofi and Pochi, she speaks it a lot better than she did in her other collabs, she even gets into a conversation about weird Japanese name readings (including her own) with Pochi.

>>1042101
>Above 8 or 9? You'll always have an accent.
That's a bit of an exaggeration. I would say the cut-off for actually sounding native is more like 12 or 13, and for naturally talented learners it's like 16 or 17. Many ESLs without any perceivable accent I've met came when they were in middle school.

>>1042101
>you won't be able to think in the language naturally.
Not true, people who spend a lot of time in a foreign country often begin to lose their ability to express themselves in their native language. Not completely of course, it's just not as effortless as before. Jim O'Rourke is an example, he's been in Japan so long that he has to warn interviewers that he might need help completing sentences in English.

Accent beyond a certain point just requires a shitton of effort. Actors can learn new accents for roles because they spend hours with a voice coach and work very hard at it. The best accents require an actor completely internalize it, not just learn it for their specific lines. A lot of foreigners don't bother to progress to that level though because they reach a level where they can be understood despite carrying an accent.

In general, most people don't put in a lot of effort in learning a foreign language. They put in as much effort as needed to have casual conversations and maybe hold down a job, but they're not interesting in acquiring real mastery. It is possible however, it's just a matter of diligent, consistent practice. Like learning an instrument, you have to continually move up what you're practicing or you'll stagnate.

>>1042406
Can someone spoonfeed me on how some Asian-Canadian got so high up the ladder when then industry is already so competitive in nihon?

>>1042587
She's legitimately good at drawing (most notably she actually has a command of anatomy which can't be said for 95% of aspiring Japanese artists), has an appealing and non-Westernized artstyle, and she's very fast churning out fully rendered pieces. Speed is a key factor here because there are plenty of Pixiv artists who make ultra-rendered drawings but can't work on a deadline because they're too slow at drawing and rendering. All this coupled with being able to communicate in Japanese makes Ina a perfect candidate in the Japanese art industry.

>>1024625
Ina has been working with various Japanese people/companies for years, so while she doesn't live there it's still really fucking vital that she be able to know enough to get by in speaking with them.

She also isn't super-good either, she's at a point where it's somewhat luck of the draw depending on what's being talked about and how the other person talks on whether you understand 90% of the conversation or basically only fragments of it and have to try to piece things. This is how I am with seeing JP holos, some are pretty easy to understand (like Aqua, she talks pretty simply and slowly because well.. she is kinda slow), and others like Marine talk fucking fast and/or use a lot of obscure slang/references. You'd have to be like Kiara tier fluent to easily chatter with someone like Marine I think.

>>1027142
>koreans were smart in what they did with hangul
>now has no functional writing system
>still need to use kanji for newspaper headlines, legal documents ecc..

you fuckers keep talking but have 0 clue about linguistics

I vaguely remember her complaining that shit doesn't stick in her brain. She'd do flash cards, learn some words, and then forget about them by tomorrow.
Probably because she isn't actually focusing on learning because she's juggling 5 trillion other things at the same time. Typical Mori inefficiency.

>>1024625
Can you speak better Japanese anon?

>>1030205
Watch this
>Español

>>1042474
>she even gets into a conversation about weird Japanese name readings (including her own) with Pochi.
Oh shit, timestamp? I've wanted to hear about how Ina's name came about ever since she debuted.

All I can say about japanese is that they themselves know their language slows them down

>>1027142
The Japanese very briefly considered supplementing or replacing their written language with an English alphabet after WWII but that got shot down in their congress.

Can you imagine if you didn't have to learn all dem fucking kanji or all the fucky contextual shit with them.

>>1043608
I think this would result in some really funky spelling in order to disambiguate homophones.

>>1043622
What makes me laugh is that the japanese use a common latin keyboard to write phonetically matuli...hotimati...danjyarasu... which means they CAN read the syllables but not perfectly so. Even with that slight mistake such as considering Ti and Shi are the same (???? wtf japan????), I think that katakana is unneeded

>>1026198
Since when did anyone give a fuck about accents?

>>1043536
>ll
>ch
>y- vs -y vs -i
>c/z vs c/qu
>g/j vs g/gu
>ü used exclusively for gü
>h
>f derived h
>hu
>x
>cn-, gn-, ps-
>rr
>subrayar
>interrelación
>deshuesar
No, querido.

>>1024662
I love Mori to bits mate but her japanese is painful to hear compared to Ina's.

>>1043698
.. okay you have a point with some of those examples

>>1029306
I though Americans were nationalists but zhangs are on another level

>>1043586
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCDQho-xATg

>>1043698
Don't forget subsumed vowels, where trailing vowel sounds from one word will be 'overridden' by the leading vowel of the next word.

>>1043668
it's because japanese people prefer nihon-shiki romanization as opposed to hepburn. hepburn is more intuitive for anglophones but is less regular for a native japanese speaker.
as far as replacing katakana, hey maybe. nihon-shiki was actually meant to replace the entire writing system, using it for just katakana doesn't seem too unreasonable but you know how conservative these people are.

>>1024625
Mori is one of those gaijin that goes to japan, with basic japanese knowledge and live there out of giving classes as a "Native speaker", she doesnt really care for learning JP or about JP culture at all, it was probably just the easiest way of moving away from her family while making enough cash to chase a carrer in music

>>1043669
We're talking about "the" accent, not "an" accent.

>>1043608
I've heard that the Japanese language really kneecapped the country in terms of software development and programming. Had they adopted English post WWII their economic boom would have likely been greater and lasted longer.

>>1043850
>she doesnt really care for learning JP or about JP culture at all, it was probably just the easiest way of moving away from her family while making enough cash to chase a carrer in music
I don't even like Mori but you are making assumption out the ass

>>1043850
She's been a J-rap artist and weeaboo for years. The idea that she doesn't care about the language and culture is one of the most asinine narratives I've seen yet.

>>1043951
Kanji really is cancer. I'll entertain that either of Hiragana or Katakana, as purely phonetic/syllabic systems, are arguably superior to Latin lettering, especially for languages with weird exceptions and rules (as compared to "what you see is what you pronounce, every time"), but having to learn a logographic system is retarded. The mixing and matching of all these concepts or abstractions as different words is just the same "the k is silent in the word 'knife'!" kind of "you either know it or you don't" shit, in a different package.

>>1043783
It just downed on me why Japanese still uses は and へ for the particles.

>>1044046
Tae Kim had an interesting blog post comparing Chinese and Japanese. In regards to kanji/hanzi, they make way more sense in Chinese and are somewhat functional and elegant. In Japanese they're a weird foreign imposition that have only grown more confusing over time. This is a probably "well fucking duh" moment for a lot of people but I just assumed sinographs are universally painful for everyone. There are definitely better writing systems out there, but as it happens sinographs are uniquely unsuited for Japanese. It's like a shortcut taken at the beginning of a construction project and now it's so deep in the structure that we just have to work around it, tearing it all down would be too much work.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2006/07/20/which-is-harder-japanese-or-chinese/

>>1044187
>It's like a shortcut taken at the beginning of a construction project and now it's so deep in the structure that we just have to work around it, tearing it all down would be too much work.
Isn't that Japan in a nutshell?

>>1044187
The idea of writing based on the visual representation of an entity sounds cute on paper but I don't know why they didn't foresee the mess that would become in the future. Or perhaps they didn't care at all.

>>1044368
These days we understand a lot more about how language works and what makes an intuitive and adaptive writing system. 2000 years ago or whenever the first wajin traveler went to China he wasn't thinking that far ahead or in any kind of sophisticated linguistic terms at all. He was thinking "holy shit this chinaman can speak with paper" and stole his writing system to use back home. Writing is technology, at the time almost magical, bleeding edge shit, and it's much easier to steal and borrow then invent for yourself.

>>1044187
Taking a step back from the deeper societal implications, it doesn't take a genius or dedicated language scientist to immediately recognize the shortcomings of an iconographic language, no matter how streamlined it ends up being. When you transliterate it into English, it sounds like fucking caveman speech. "Tree-loud-cherry blossom-rake" could mean fucking "chainsaw" or some shit. Rather than ever bother to come up with new words routinely where there previously existed no precedent, you have to instead learn an ever-increasing bank of literally thousands of abstract concepts that may or may not actually make sense when sounded out as individual icons.
I know my example is ridiculous, over the top, and not really realistic, but there are plenty of really out-there compounds that just don't fucking make sense. Compare to, let's keep it for this, chainsaw -- it's a chain that functions as a saw. If you know what a chain is, and you know what a saw does, you could reasonably figure out that it is a chain that cuts shit. Yes, you need to learn the initial words, but I'd prefer needing to learn tens of thousands of words that share prefixes and suffixes and etymologies to "only" needing to learn a couple thousand characters that double as the written language itself, and also get mashed together in a weird puzzle manner to represent more unique words or ideas, a manner that may not always be immediately clear if you're trying to 'break down' a word you've never before encountered.
>>1044368
No one really thought you'd ever need to come up with more than X number of finite concepts to represent.

She is either hiding her power level or gets too self conscious and nervous when speaking japanese in front of thousands of viewers. At the risk of sounding like a doxxbeat, there's a whole podcast on youtube where she has an hour long conversation with someone in japanese, so she clearly knows enough and is currently taking lessons to get better at it.

>>1044187

>>1044368
You have to think it historically. In fact, our alphabet is almost as much of an anomaly as the Japanese writing system. All writing starts logographic, we can determine that because it has arisen in four or more separate occasions and it has been logographic. Then something closer to kana is the next logical step, as we can attest from Mayan and Cuneiform.

The alphabet is actually unique because it required writing to pass through a unique language family before it got to European languages. It originally developed from Egyptian hieroglyphs, but the difference is that Egyptian and the related Semitic languages likes Hebrew and Arabic have a unique word root structure that doesn't take into account vowels, and word meanings are determined by the three consonant of the roots with vowels freely moved around or removed for more specific things. So to write in those languages, you don't need denote syllables but only consonants, so you can reduce the number of symbols a lot more; to this day Arabic and Hebrew mostly write vowels through diacritics, and mostly in dictionary readings.

But the Greek took this writing system and had to adapt it to their language, where vowels are completely fixed. So they had to write vowels and consonants separately, leading to a writing system which was based purely around sounds, not syllables or words. This is why the letter H for example, is a consonant in the Roman alphabet, but a vowel in Greek; when the Romans took the alphabet from the Greeks, there still wasn't a standard on which letters were going to be repurposed to be vowels instead of consonants.

>>1044820
But hangul wasn't invented until the 16th century....
they both used sinographic characters before then.

>>1044368
>The idea of writing based on the visual representation of an entity sounds cute on paper but I don't know why they didn't foresee the mess that would become in the future.

It's not really as bad as it seems. There's tons of words in Chinese where the meaning of the Hanzi are irrelevant and they're basically just used phonetically like the Kana. You can kind of guess because if the actual meaning makes no fucking sense, you just assume it's just being used phonetically.

>>1030205
watch this
Bahasa Indonesia Ejaan yang Disempurnakan

>>1030770
soloution: just add fucking spaces or use ・

>>1044825
something funny about latin is we've invented a modern latin alphabet for our own benefit, to see when something is a long vowel case or short vowel case

>>1045565
without kanji and adding spaces would make japanese go from one of the most info dense languages to maybe the least. would be pretty ugly and cumbersome desu. i think if you're seriously going to replace kanji you need to go back to the drawing board and invent a whole new syllabary from scratch that allows you to disambiguate homophones.

>>1024625
Most people can't even speak their first language correctly.

>>1045633
or remove a great amount of kanji and simplify the rest of the kanji
i mean it's cool if you know some obscure kanji, and that should be kept alive as an art, but it shouldn't be acceptable to use that kanji in wide print. just like how we use some latin for concepts but we don't break out extreme latin every time we could -- i'd be an ass if i said Hydrogenium every chance or long ass animal kingdom names every fucking time we see a bird
i know it's not 1:1 but there's some similarities, with latin's words being usually kinda understandable to the general population (roma est bona, see if you can't figure that out) while still not known via education (guessing kanji instead of knowing it, guessing latin instead of knowing it).

>>1045811
i know how to speak english at a very high level but it ended up fucking me up due to overthinking my sentences. this is the result of me trying to write while still having non natural knowledge of english, the kinda knowledge you learn as a bilingual, not a native. i've given up and gone full casual as it takes too much effort to type between too casual english and 99% proper well flowing english

>>1045633
Come to think of it an abugida would probably work best for Japanese. Just use bunrei-shiki romanization for loan words. Japanese braille is already an abugida system so it seems when inventing one from scratch, it's the most natural.
This is if I had a magical scepter that I could wave and make it so of course. The actual political process of changing Japan's writing system is not something I wish on anyone.

>>1045826
It largely seems like a major hiccup in Kanji is adhering to the tradition rather than allowing genuinely new stuff.
Light amplification by stimulation of emitted radiation says exactly what it is... Or we just turn the acronym into a word describing what it is. A laser. And a layman's understanding, even if they don't know electromagnetism, would be "light that's concentrated somehow into a single, pinpoint beam of energy" pretty much describes what it is, without you needing to understand how photons work.
Whereas in Kanji, you'd have to continue to call it a series of symbols meaning light-amplified-giving energy-releasing-power, or some shit. You can't shortcut it. You can't retool the word.

>>1045926
This might not be a real problem desu. Good writing is a very difficult and intensive process for everyone. Native speakers try to write beautifully and end up reading stuffy and full of themselves all the time.

>>1046040
>Try to write original fiction
>Everyone speaks in weirdly stilted language because I do
>Can't write casual speech patterns to save my life
Evry tiem

>>1026571
>hating on katakana this much
>even though katakana is literally simplified hiragana
Want me to tell you how I know you're a brainlet?

>>1046124
An exercise we did in a creative writing class is to a public place and surreptitiously record a conversation. Then transcribe it so you can get a feel for what it's like to write that sort of dialogue out. Of course, I don't recommend you shoot for 100% realistic dialogue. By and large what people say isn't super interesting or beautiful.

>>1046040
my issue is i learned the absolute tism fest of latin. once you do that there is no going back.

where one might before just 'get' english i see now an artificial language with direct objects, indirect objects, passive tenses, subjects, etc etc etc. my brain has been trained to disregard word order and focus on the word's real function and it fucked my natural english up, atleast when writing.

i mean i can write conversations fine -- but it looks like this, separated from the normal, due to an overuse of semi-colons, commae, colons, etc.
it gets even worse when you realize there is no correct way to write english, due to regional best practices differing; before i had a language that just worked, now i don't -- atleast when writing.

>>1046124
You're falling into a trap there, Anon. People shouldn't speak in any particular way when you're writing dialog. It's not about sounding "real" but choosing the right words to what you aim to convey. Naturality comes from the reader being capable of grasping that without confusion on their part, not a perfect depiction of real language. Don't forget whatever it is that you're writing, as through as you might think you're being, your space is always limited and you're always selecting what's being said. And of course, don't forget sometimes it's just fatigue of yourself, someone else might think something completely different about what you're writing.

And don't forget to read. Always read. Reading is the fuel that you'll be burning.

often times one sacrifices 'readability" to achieve realistic dialogue. spoken English is an absolute shit show -- i'll just interject into my own -- and -- and it just keeps going! more and more i cut off a sentence, say how do you do to the next thought -- move right on! yeah, it's crazy

>>1046513
also there's a shit ton of pauses in English and general emphasis placing.

I'd love to see a Japanese try to understand Ebonics. All this fancy studying, nice polite English classes, talk in proper English with their Gaijin friends...

>>1046664
Isn't that what Mori has been doing in her English classes streams?

>>1046725
I wouldn't know, I only come to this board to stir the Schizo-Autism-'bergers pot. And get (You)'s, of course. There's a special kind of community here which allows me to be retarded and autistic. I couldn't get away with being replied to with most of what I've said this thread, if it were /a/ or so.
Also it's really funny to see the absolute shitfest of the resulting conflict between parties on this board.

>>1026270
this

>>1046796
I don't mean any of this in a negative way either. I love the way this all feels.

>>1026252
dumb country btw. for some unknown reason spacex, tesla, amazon, apple, google, microsoft, starlink, nvidea, amd, ford, EA, and general trillion dollar companies, are all run by americans. maybe it's just dumb luck, those retards are fucking retarded after all

>QT white goddess waifu tries speaking nihon to you
>Your cuck genes take over and you instead force yourself to learn eigo so as not to inconvenience haku-jin sama

>>1047031
>spacex, tesla

Musk is south african.

>>1047162
and based, just like africats

On a sidenote does anybody have experience with learning to accurately pronounce る? I've learned that it is not, infact, "R", but actually some weird in-between of R&L. I've gotten double consonants down so I feel enthused to take on the next pronunciation challenges.

>>1026270
This.

>>1047162
wonder why he chose america.
bet he feels retarded for choosing american engineers. should've choose japa-- well chin- maybe ger- no... uh...
There's a reason Silicone Valley exists. We Americans have a lot wrong with our culture, and minds, as well as inequal education, but we do not lack smart people or good education. We just lack proper access to it for everybody.

>>1047031
Because they're government subsidized companies. They literally wouldn't exist without the US Government babying them, and the US Government babies them because we're the only country in the world that lets these trillionaire companies pay politicians to make policy under the pretense of 'lobbying'.
none of them deserve the money they make if it were an actual capitalist or even socialist system. It's purely socialism for them and capitalism for everyone else.
But not to derail, that's just the reason why we have so many behemoth companies that own everything. China figured out this game and they'll gradually overtake us over the next few decades in that game.

>>1047277
>wonder why he chose america.
He's allowed to pay politicians there and it's not considered bribery.

>>1047277
Silicon valley is an example of a place that wouldn't exist without tons of thievery, corporate espionage, and government-induced proxy wars against other countries. It was made as a project to sabotage the rest of the world's tech sectors.

>>1047278
>because we're the only country in the world that lets these trillionaire companies pay politicians to make policy under the pretense of 'lobbying'
doesn't jap land have even more insane corporatt domination? and where do you think that money comes from hot shot? does it magically appear from the void or does it come from massive success in our economy?

i'm not necessarily opposed to ending loopholes for companies, but this dumbass idea that we get nothing back from their success is genuinely insane.

>>1047362
china has all of those, but actually for real, and their tech industry still sucks in comparison.
but if you want to play up the bad shit we did... might i ask how we got the economic power to do it in the first place? out of nowhere? and what do you think other countries were doing? you think other countries sing kumbaya while a big nosed America fleeces the world for sheckles?

>>1047373
>where do you think that money comes from hot shot? does it magically appear from the void or does it come from massive success in our economy?
Money is just numbers.

>>1047278
>only corrupt country in the world

>>1047428
>you think other countries sing kumbaya while a big nosed America fleeces the world for sheckles?
I mean, you've been telling us we're a bunch of lazy spics since forever, so...

>>1047277
I don't think you should take criticisms of this place to heart. You're probably a decent person. Most foreigners I've met don't intrinsically hate American people. But this is a broken society with a government whose foreign policy causes immense suffering and death abroad. And here too, it's a genuine demerit that we aren't rioting in the streets given how bad our quality of life has gotten and how much fucking money places like Silicon Valley are generating.
I plan to flee to another country once I've saved up the money and can carve out a path to citizenship. I don't see us reforming this, I see a very slow and painful decline.

>>1024625
Ina’s got asian genes, Americucks are a lesser breed, it’s not a fair comparison

>>1024625
Wigger.

That's all you need to know.

>>1047474
we're fucked -- i can't properly follow up those words without being wrong in some way, saying it's not simple, or that it's played up, because our fuck up is at once so complicated and simple. i don't think it's as bad as you probably think, overall, but it's probably even worse than you realize in some areas, too.

>>1047373
>and where do you think that money comes from hot shot? does it magically appear from the void
Literally and unironically, yes. You are uneducated if you disagree.

>>1047470
No no not ONLY corrupt country in the world
The richest corrupt country in the world.

>>1032138
do you know what refugee means zhang?

>>1047474
>>1047542
America holds, all at once, a lot of the individual problems facing individual countries.

We've a part of that workaholic culture of Japan, a part of that sleezy corporate 'fuck the workers' culture in China, a part of the diversity issue in Europe, our own unique issues with race -- being the world's melting pot and a former slave country -- etc, as well as the demands of being the world's currency reserve, foremost superpower, foremost military power, foremost economic power, foremost political power, etc.
Add on that we've a culture constantly changing and an unstable political system (democracy) and you've got a real mess.

America has a lot of benefits, but most countries don't have to face all the same issues as us. Issues which we partially took on due to our success, or because of the institutions which brought us such success.

>all this talk of America
This is the real Mori btw, sorry to ruin the immersion for you all !!! She's a American Samurai who hates Chinese people.
>>>/wsg/3814568

>>1047700
I'm sure this place is great if you have a seven figure income but living here sure sucks shit if you don't.

>>1039085
>>1038969
The first time I heard Mori saying that she doesn't like to be called a "tomboy" was after she met Kiara

>>1047700
Believe me... it could be much worse.

>>1048004
stay home for as long as you can.

i had to resist going to college, and it was and still is fucking horrible, what with friends gone and no clear path, but in the time since i've helped my family immensely. we went from being in debt to having 6 figures in the bank as well as a very nice lifestyle. add on that i was given a job, due to the economic boom, which usually requires a degree, and i had enough money to day trade by the end of my time there.
still not sure if i'm doing college or not. definitely doing community. either way i'm thankful for what opportunities i've had. do i wish i could've had the dorm experience? fuck yes. could i justify six figures of debt? fuck no.

>>1048038
technically incorrect, but it makes sense from your point of view

>>1026328
Sometimes I look at how fast Kiara learned Japanese and just go, 'What the fuck?'

>>1048046
Argentina used to have a top 10 per capita income, around 100 years ago. I legitimately feel sorry for the Argentinians

>>1048148
Imagine considering other people's point of view, in the year of our science 2021

>>1048176
brazil also got royally fucked.
SA is a shit ton of depression. they say the russian soul is a dark place, but i think sa may be worse.

>>1048158
Immersion is one of the most-helpful methods of learning languages, not really that surprising. When you have to communicate more complex concepts than "where is the bathroom" or "how do I get back to the train station", the need to learn the language gets a lot more significant.

>>1048158
>>1048214
Being alone during Covid has it's benefits. Like not having to communicate in English verbally. I think it's helped my Japanese progress. Not often you get forced into staying home all day without much opportunity to interact with people.

>>1048212
Russians are well disguised optimists, they love life. The most nihilist, black as midnight perspectives on life I've read have come from South Americans. Oh and the French, not sure what's going on with them.

>>1048214
Makes more sense when you say it like that.
>>1048292
Fair.

>>1048212
That "love it or leave it" government slogan from the 60s or 70s (can't remember exactly) is now more relevant than ever before. Whenever I think about Brazil I feel depressed.

>>1048476
honestly america should just become america police again, not world police. i mean, i wouldn't want to fight cartels but i bet it's not so bad when you have the entirety of the U.S backing you up,

>>1048176
Argentina is a very special kind of hell. You know how you have regionalism in America? Imagine that, but you have half the amount of states for an eighth of the population, and only one big center instead of four. Then you add an inhospitable, empty geography similar to Japan, Russia or Australia. Then you add a single party government in disguise, with a party that has no ideology save saying whatever it needs to stay in power and denying whatever doesn't suit it. You know how Americans are individualist to a fault? Imagine having that, but without any sense of personal freedom or worth. Nothing nor nobody comes together in this place. It's a sterile waste. Your average argie feels it's their responsibility to get a better life, but absolutely everything is against them. The economy is impossible. Everything has to go through the slowest bureaucracy on the planet. At this point I have more hope for the African immigrants that chose to come here for some strange reason than us natives. They and the Bolivians can take this country and I bet they would run it better. The slate has to be wiped fully clean.

>>1048673
Looks like a cool place...

>>1048744
That's just the nicest place in the capital. It looks like that because its government has been pretty much at war with the national government for like the past ten years. But you have to be rich to live there.

>>1025340
Which one is literally an anime OP idol?

>>1043608
Isn't that what the nips are doing anyways now with wasei eigo.

>>1031658
Fuck man, I've never met another person with this problem. From super young they trained me to write cursive so when I went to normal school years later I had to completely retrain myself to write standard print because nobody could fucking read my handwriting.

>>1045565
Spaces are already there. No matter how wide you make it you will still be reading it at a quarter the speed you'd read it with kanji.

Fuck, everyone complaining about kanji keeps ignoring the fact that japs have tried to get rid of it over and over again and found nothing better. Plus, they do just fine with it. Do you niggers think Japan is some hellhole where only 1% are literate?

>>1051366
>Plus, they do just fine with it.
i have seen v-tubers unable to read "drill" -- if japanese youtubers are to be believed japs struggle to write even basic kanji, like menu.
also you glossed over ・. why not try?
かな・だけ・で かく・の・も・よみ・づらい・から・にほんご・に・は・かんじ・しか・むいてない

>>1051366
>japs have tried
Barely. Let's not kid ourselves, their attachment to Kanji is very real and has never been challenged by anything but flirtation.

>>1051490
Why not use katakana for words and hiragana for inflections and particles?

>>1024625
her bad grammar and american accent is 50% of the appeal to the nip fanbase though.

>>1051671
Doesn't matter, they're easy to learn anyway so you're able to read them interchangeably in any sentence without much effort. I'd much prefer if kanji was removed entirely from the language but that's not gonna happen anytime soon.

Ive met English teachers, hotel owners and retired Military personel who all lived in Japan for several years or even decades and many of them didnt speak Japanese and if they did, very broken

>>1051366
>Plus, they do just fine with it.
https://japaneseruleof7.com/are-japanese-people-retarded/

The best way to learn foreign languages is to have a native girl friend and have a lot of pillow talk with her.
And now that the possessive bird left the country, we'll see Mori's proficiency skyrocketing to the stratosphere as it was already proven that no HoloJPs can resist to her Alpha pheromone.

>>1052142
I wish she have more collabs with JP.

>>1026489
>and she is preggers
not everyone know it but i am

>>1051366
Japan hasn't done a real national literacy survey since 1948. They were ostensibly 98% literate then, but that was the japanese government pulling its usual bullshit with statistics. That 98% came from 2% of people being completely unable to read or write any of Japan's alphabets. Most people could read hiragana, so they were technically literate. The kanji literacy rate was more along the lines of 6%. That hasn't changed much over the years, from what people have been able to piece together. sauce: http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003962.html

It's why most japanese restaurants have picture menus, even the most tourist-unfriendly ones. Kanji is a dumpster fire and should have been tossed out ages ago. Then again who knows if the language will really survive the 21st century or if it'll just continue down the road of becoming bastardized English.

>>1047031
They are millionaires because dumb fucks like you buy chinkshit with 500% price and pajeetech poocoded software. You use these things because your mutt brain is rotten by corn syrup and xenoestrogen that is uncapable of critical thinking and closing your wallet. For fucks sake anon, westerners worship brands, and think of companies as their family members.

>>1052927
>The kanji literacy rate was more along the lines of 6%. That hasn't changed much over the years
Hard to believe but I could picture it being the case from my gaijin perspective. It's not hard to imagine children learning kana, but internalising thousands of kanjis? Fuck that hey.

>>1024625
Uh... minna daisuki!

>>1053409
all it takes to melt the hearts of JP bros

>>1052927
I think that's somewhat of an overexaggeration regarding illiteracy. The thing is that Japanese has a lot of redundant kanji for elaboration in text, almost entirely done to distinguish whether or not it's a specific variation of that concept in writing - but in regular speech, you would not make that distinction because context is imminently clear about what you're talking about. Let's take a look at the following:

見る (to see) / 診る (to medically examine) / 看る (to look after, usually medical) / 観る (to watch)
And yet, they're all pronounced the same, みる and they all share the same function of looking. What about the concept of going up? Same thing, same pronunciations, different writings. How about のぼる? Same thing: 上る (to ascend, go up, etc.) / 登る (to climb up) / 騰る (to jump / suddenly go up) / 昇る (to rise). Even the on'yomi readings are a hodgepodge mixture of the same pool of terms and variations thereof. The main readings here will NEVER be forgotten. The other ones though, they can fade away in someone's mind given enough time, due to how specific and strictly literary their usage is.

It's not limited to just Japan either. Chinese is double-fucked since they don't even have a native phonetic reference system like Japanese kana and as a result, their input system is literally romanization + number to get a specific character (and that's not even touching how god awful Pinyin is at doing the job.) Over time, speakers of East Asian languages (barring South Korea) forget how to recall the character at will, even though they can read it. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_amnesia

>>1053563
To be fair, it works on me too

>>1027423
and they smart no more

>>1030054
yeah yeah le baguet hon hon and fuck guys in le ass

>>1024625
burgerrs are literally physically incapable of learning another language, the best you'll ever get is an okay-ish conversational level with a horrible accent

>>1051490
>all those improper spacings between parts that should be together
I dislike kanji as well, but good job on proving
>>1051366
>No matter how wide you make it you will still be reading it at a quarter the speed you'd read it with kanji
right.

>>1052927
nah no way 6%.
Have you ever seen any text books for elementary schools are just a single page of raw managa page?

>>1046353
You're overthinking it, man, just write, it's gonna be fine. Don't get autistic about it, your writing is fine, no one's going to fucking analyze every sentence.

>>1052927
nice rrat

>>1054182
Whether it's an overexaggeration depends on how important it is for people to know how to write their language. Literacy encompasses both reading and writing, after all. The 6% that I quoted from the source that nobody evidently bothered to read came from a test that required people to write kanji from dictation, basically the equivalent of a spelling test. It may have gotten better at some point, but the Japanese government never bothered to test for some reason. But even if it did get better in the 60s and 70s, it's now a dying skill due to cell phone and computer usage. Now you don't have to remember stroke order at all in order to form kanji, and everyone is leaning heavily on that crutch. Some people think that's fine, but I don't think that it's good if you become functionally illiterate without electricity.

Reading is a different matter, and there I think that the average high-school educated japanese will have solid knowledge of 1,000 of the most common kanji, and decent knowledge of another 2,000 or so. Which is fine, but again, just knowing how to read does not mean you're fully literate.

>>1047031
>corporations
corporations develop where money and power is available.
america is a very rich and powerful country so it's bound to happen look what is happening with china now.
if you instead look at scientific discoveries most of them are from Europe.

>>1029954
As korean, I usually get disappointed with the way they pronounce the certain English word when they have appropriate vowel to correctly pronounce it. That grinds my gears.

having english as your first language must be a real fucking curse when trying to learn other languages

>>1047031
>spacex, tesla and starlink
Run by South African
>microsoft, google
Indian CEOs
>amd, nvidea
Taiwanese CEOs
>Ford and EA
Now there are some hight quietly white American made products lol

>>1044020
Zero prof on her being a weaboo, also her roommate rap song were Always in english with some japanese words throw in there, when she collabed with korone she couldnt talk to her in japanese at all, im not saying she is a bad person, she was just smart of finding a easy way to chase her dreams exploiting a Market she doesnt really care about

>>1039097
>Learninggerma
>ninggerman
AAA