/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I know no of the Holos or HoloJP has anything even close to the level of communication with the Japs. The reason why the Holos and HoloJP can speak English in such a quick way is because of some common-ground non-verbal communication. But what is the cause of that? Can a non-verbal signal communicate better than a regular one? I'm saying "non-verbal" because I know that the Holos are often texting and conversing with each other while on a headset. What are the kind of communication tricks that you use to keep people from seeing what you're saying? It's always a pain point. I'm not sure if that's just the nature of my team, I think it's probably true for a lot of people.

I think people would like to have a little bit of privacy.

>>1042735
>Is the English education system in Japan just absolutely fucked?
This certainly doesn't help given how bad everyone's pronunciation is, but it's not the main problem.
>Is is Japanese just the worst base language in the world to learn other languages?
That's not really the problem.
>Or do Japanese just think it's necessary to learn since they don't ever have to use it like Europeans do?
It's this, they never use it outside of school. They have a culture where they can get everything they need in their language. You can compare it to English speaking countries that have similar results with second languages. If you aren't reading it and speaking it regularly, you'll forget whatever you learned and forget about improving.

>>1042735
They live in Japan. The country of Japan. The country that is 99% Japanese people, built by Japanese people, culturally, historically Japanese. The Japanese people inside of Japan speak one language, the Japanese language of Japanese. Japan is an ethnostate. A historically reclusive, nationalist country. Japanese people are taught their whole life to be Japanese and live in Japan and speak Japanese and learning English has literally no value to the majority of them.

>>1042735
english is difficult as a second language and they aren't exposed to people who speak other languages very often.
Yeah, it's required in school, but i took spanish in school and I don't remember shit

>>1042735
It has to do with the linguistic roots of a language and cultural impact/influence on the target country during the time period. The former determining how hard it would be for a native speaker of one language to learn another, and the latter determining how likely it is that someone would want to learn another language.

>>1042822
So why are they taught english in school?

>>1042735
How ignorant to expect everybody to speak English .I absolutely guarantee your American.

english is stupidly difficult

Nihongo saikou

>>1042856
It's good if you work for an international company (which Japan owns a lot of obviously)

>>1042861
You're*
Back to class pablo

>>1042861
I don't expect them to speak English, I just think it's odd how every other branch has a much better ratio of multi-lingual people compared to JP. Even the dead CN branch had Artia and Civia who were both fluent.

Maybe Cover just weighs being bilingual much higher in foreign branch applications than for JP branch.

>>1042918
Yeah I think this is true

>>1042918
They don't value being bilingual, they value knowing whatever language they are targeting and Japanese. Because they are a Japanese company with lots of JOP talents. If one of the ENs knew Indo language I doubt they'd care.

>>1042861
America runs the internet. Not that the OP isn't a tad bit ignorant though.

>>1042735
Did you ever have something like French or Spanish class in middle/high school?? It's like if people expected you to be fluent in Spanish right now, because "didn't you take it for several years in school wtf why can't you speak it for shit." In most of Japan, they are taught English in grade school, however tons of the time teaching them is spent on only bridging the fundamental differences between English and Japanese - the grammar, alphabet, spelling rules etc all are 100% alien to their language and I'd imagine it takes them a lot of time just trying to wrap their heads around English's fucking weird as fuck spelling and sentence structure before they even think about conversational abilities.

There is only one case where I agree it's like "wow really, come the fuck on" and that's Haachama who fucking lived in Australia for years and still has broken retard English. Weirdly, it seems she can understand written sentences perhaps much better than she actually can speak the language however, which would explain how she got by in school. Apparently she must have had 0 friends or only Asian friends or something because she clearly never got conversational practice down. Compare this to Coco or Pikamee who lived in the US and clearly got the hang of conversation. Pikamee is like a reverse Kiara, she didn't understand English for jack shit when she first arrived as a teen but quickly got the hang of it. She's like an inverse Haachama in that her written English is funky at best but her general conversational instincts are pretty good.

>>1042735
Where was that article explaining how stunted Japanese are in learning languages?

>>1043017
>it seems she can understand written sentences perhaps much better than she actually can speak the language however
This is true for every single ESL since we don't have anywhere to practice speech, and yes those international vocational schools end up with people on their own country's bubble.

>>1043017
Haachama has talked a lot about her experience in Australia, and she had a really bad time starting out. She definitely did not have a lot of people to talk to and most of the times when she did, they treated her badly. It only got better towards the end of her stay.

>>1042856
Well, why are Americans taught Spanish in school?

>>1042735
VTubers are not voiced by people with a high degree of education, anon.
It is the same as americans not knowing basic geography, except no one is ashamed when they don't know english.

>>1042735
There is no real reason to learn English if you live in Japan because unlike the rest of Asia your entire life doesn't revolve around try to immigrate to Canada

>>1043883
>VTubers are not voiced by people with a high degree of education, anon.
>op image

>>1042856
Its an artifact from pre WW2. Honestly no idea why they keep it when every English speaking country is now worse then Japan to live in. White people are even teaching themselves Japanese to watch Cartoons and play video games because their own national media is such garbage

>>1044005
You don't learn English to emigrate, you learn it so you can do international business. And American movies are a far more popular export than anime or other Japanese media.

>>1044005
I don't think anyone learns English with the expectation of moving abroad. Now or historically. English just happens to be the #1 language for business and pop culture. Being fluent in it makes you an asset.

i think most of them were poor girls so they didn't get good education

>>1044062
>historically. English just happens to be the #1 language for business
That's why they should try and change it, give the anglosphere a kick while their down

Most Japanese people have no desire to ever leave Japan or interact with non Japanese people. They learn English, but as somebody who was an English teacher, the system is fucked and maybe 1% of the students actually wanted to learn it. The Chinese and Indonesian members speak better English because those countries have placed a higher value on learning English and interacting with the English speaking world or often times, getting the fuck out of their country.

>>1044084
Japan has one of the best public education systems in the world.

>>1042735
Indonesia and a lot of 3rd world countries are so fucked that learning english is a status symbol.

>>1042735
Do you not appreciate Haachama English?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVbVxMV6V4w

Japs absolutely do not give a fuck about learning other languages. Its always been that way. I'm glad it's biting them in the ass now. They are scrambling to learn for the sake of their job because EN market is huge. I actually think it was mandated by Cover because no way they would voluntarily bother with it.

Many of them actually speak english just fine but that know that:
a) westerners have a massive fetish for jap girls speaking broken english
and
b) they don't wanna talk to westerners more than is necessary to collect their supas.

>>1042735
> Is the English education system in Japan just absolutely fucked?
It depends. I've been addressed fairly effortlessly in decent English by a group of highschoolers in Asakusa, and I've had some really rough conversations with university students whom I expected to have a better grasp of the language given their level of education. The older people got, the worse things became, and usually you ended up in some japo-english pidgin language involving a lot of hand gestures.
> do Japanese just think it's necessary to learn since they don't ever have to use it like Europeans do?
There's no need outside of school unless you're in a business that has a lot of international dealings. Aside from that, often movies and TV shows are dubbed, so whatever exposure they'd get to the language in that is also minimal.
> Almost every country in Europe also teaches English in school but they are generally much better
Because english is a germanic language with heavy latin influences. Basically if you know a germanic or latin language you already know the grammatical structure of english, and you have a decent amount of shared sound-a-like vocabulary, so it's easier to remember.
For example, the word sheep in german is Schapf, the word mutton derives from the french mouton. The japanese word for that is hitsuji, so you're not likely to come up with "sheep" or "mutton" any time soon.

I'd say, on average in Japan with someone who's had higher education and hasn't maintained it, expect Subaru's level of English. If you end up going to Japan some day with very little Japanese under your belt, you'll be happy when someone speaks English at her level.

>>1044779
purease call me
subaru
CHAN
no SAN

>>1045041
Mr. Subaru

Japanese people are taught English in junior high and high school, but living in Japan, we rarely have the opportunity to speak in English. Japanese people can read English reasonably well, but their ability to speak English tends to be low.

>>1044779
Schapf might sound cute, but it's just Schaf.

>>1042735
Japs who went to college can barely speak it, why wouldnyounthink a bunch of NEETs and highschool dropouts would

>>1043481
because no one wants to learn french anymore

>>1042856
Because like it or not, Japan is not the only country out there and they need members of their society that can communicate with the outside world.

All the Japan apologists in this thread.
Japan has the second-lowest English literacy rate in all of Asia, only beating North Korea. The causes are their horribly backwards education system which is controlled by government ideologues (the government controls, among other things, ALL textbooks which can be used in schools, with which power it prevents modern language teaching methods from permeating schools and censors information which goes against nihonjinron) and a culture which is apathetic to world events such that your average Japanese person makes a fly-over state American look worldly by comparison.
The fact that, despite being the third-largest world economy and long-time ally of the US, the majority of Japanese businesses and politicians are unable to speak the lingua franca of the business world has nothing to do with "English is hard :(" or "Japanese folded 1000 times engrish no useful", it's a symptom of structural problems within Japan's cultural, educational, and political spheres.

>>1043017
>Did you ever have something like French or Spanish class in middle/high school?? It's like if people expected you to be fluent in Spanish right now, because "didn't you take it for several years in school wtf why can't you speak it for shit." In most of Japan, they are taught English in grade school, however tons of the time teaching them is spent on only bridging the fundamental differences between English and Japanese - the grammar, alphabet, spelling rules etc all are 100% alien to their language and I'd imagine it takes them a lot of time just trying to wrap their heads around English's fucking weird as fuck spelling and sentence structure before they even think about conversational abilities.
Also this is important but the english textbooks in Japan don't have any native english speakers in the credits, they're made entirely by Japanese people who are ESLs. Which is why the english taught is so unnatural and sounds nothing like actual conversations we would have.

>>1043481
You're not required to learn spanish specifically, you just have to take SOME foreign language courses.

Now that cover sees how Holo EN prints money, I wonder if they will attempt to find more bilingual talents on the JP side (as well as the EN side) to bridge the gap.

>>1044508
They don't. English is taught solely for university written tests and NOTHING else. English education to actually learn the language is rarely taught, certainly not at all in general schools or uni test preparatory classes. The most you can expect out of the general Japanese person is to be able to gather the meaning of a simple written sentence and that's it, no listening and no conversation.

>>1043883
>VTubers are not voiced by people with a high degree of education, anon.
Korone is supposedly a Tokyo U graduate.

>>1045583
She said that as a joke. The joke fell flat because people who watch vtubers are literal autists.

>>1043928
Or in my family's case, to Hawaii

>>1045583
"""supposedly"""

>>1045528
>Which is why the english taught is so unnatural and sounds nothing like actual conversations we would have.
Not to detract from your point, because I agree. But isn't this also true of Japanese language textbooks?

>>1043481
>Take five years of spanish classes, go to college, take another three years of advanced spanish

I graduated knowing barely enough Spanish to give someone directions around campus when asked. Using the language daily is so much more important than formal instruction it makes the classes almost a joke if it weren't for the vocabulary they teach you.

>>1044779
>pidgin language involving a lot of hand gestures.
Well I'm Italian so I communicate that way by default anyway

>>1044779
The "school-age kids do better than adults" thing makes plenty of sense to me, because of the common consensus of English being a throwaway school course. Had you asked me 12 years ago to have a conversation with a frenchman, when I was still studying it in high school, I'd do a hell of a lot better than I would now.

Also, a lot of it comes from how they're taught to pronounce english which sounds nothing like english. It's very, very rare to get a Japanese person that speaks english on the level of vidya composer Yuzo Koshiro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLqbixY5H0s

>>1045668
I mean to a degree but far less than for them because at least we get Japs to help us write the textbooks.

>>1042735
They shouldn';t need to bother. English is decent for business but everything else in Japan is done in Japanese. Vtubers are more of a niche outside of Japan anyway, and they speak English, even the holoEN girls have what, one girl that knows Japanese fluently and their viewer numbers are already falling off. It's just not worth investing in for most people.

Unlike most other Asian countries, the Japanese almost never leave Japan so they rarely have to communicate with non-Japanese speakers.

>>1045409
>and a culture which is apathetic to world events such that your average Japanese person makes a fly-over state American look worldly by comparison.
Kinda reminds me of the anime movie Patlabor 2 which has Mamoru Oshii pretty directly telling the audience through its characters (in regards to how irl and in the movie for the first time ever the JSDF was deployed outside of Japan for UN peacekeeping in Cambodia) that Japan can't just hide on its island from the rest of the world forever, there are global problems that eventually are going to reach Japan too and if the people just try everything to make sure it happens everywhere but there, they won't be able to handle it when it's in their town.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2sqdudEle4

>>1043928
>try to invade to Canada

Fuck off foreign invaders. Canada's full

>>1042856
Taught very very badly. Any Japanese person that speaks passable english has taken additional lessons entirely removed from the ultra-fucked school system they have.

>>1044779
>It depends. I've been addressed fairly effortlessly in decent English by a group of highschoolers in Asakusa, and I've had some really rough conversations with university students whom I expected to have a better grasp of the language given their level of education. The older people got, the worse things became,
That's to be expected. Language is something that if you don't use, you lose. high school me can speak spanish much better than modern-day me. Modern-day me can speak Japanese better than Spanish purely from osmosis from watching vtubers

>>1045409
>NOOOO you have to abandon your culture and speak the globohomo language or you're stupid
If you want the entire world to look like America, speak American language, eat McDonalds and watch Hollywood, why even watch Japanese vtubers? And if you don't understand that spreading English equals spreading globohomo monoculture and death of everything local, you are an idiot. Westernization of Japan has been an ongoing concern for decades now.

>Japan has the second-lowest English literacy rate in all of Asia
Mainland China is even lower, same as Russia. Turns out you don't have to rely on a whim of foreign overlords when you have an army, economy and culture of your own.

>>1042735
I don't know. Also as much as I like her, I think it's pretty ridiculous how bad Haachama's English is considering how she lived abroad

>>1042856
because it's the language of international commerce and business. That could certainly no longer be the case in a dew decades with mandarin on the rise. But for now it's true. If you're going to learn a second language it's the best one.

>>1045409
based

>>1042735
they are on an island with 100 million people. there is literally no fucking reason to learn any other language.

>>1047636
Reminds of this video.
https://youtu.be/5VDnj8IEWNc?t=292

>>1047666
Fact 1: You have never been to Japan
Fact 2: Your opinion on supiliol nihon is entirely informed by children's cartoons and /pol/tards who are similarly unaware of life in Japan

>>1042735
wondered the same thing, went to this elementary school in Fukuoka years back and out of like 40 students, only this one little boy could somewhat converse in English with me, not even the teachers...

>>1042861
you missed the point. OP is just questioning the ratio of english speaking vtubers, although i personally believe everyone should know basic English for the already progressing internationalisation.

>>1042735
because the globohomo shit language doesnt matter for japanese at all.

>>1047804
I find this one addresses the issues with the teaching material better since it has several Japanese people that are fluent in english speaking on the issues along with a couple Americans who taught there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT8uCHYrbx0
Kaho's engrish is sexy

It's just as difficult for them to learn English as it is for you to learn Japanese, if not more.
Elementary school classes are a joke compared to the amount of study required to achieve even basic ability.

Everything else is just cope and propaganda, similar to EOP cope
>we donto needo know english nihongo ichiban

>>1042735
Why would they need to study or speak English? Their country already supplies them with everything they need so they don't need to go to other countries or interact with foreigners.

You could say the same about EOPs, why is their educational system have no other languages instead of english? I never seen an american speak anything than english. So why shouldn't Japan do the same if they are already a corporate juggernaut.

>>1047666
>Westernization of Japan has been an ongoing concern for decades now.
You can't stop cultures from changing when they're exposed to other peoples and ideas, it literally always happens. Japan outright tried to seal itself off for nearly 300 years to keep out intellectual contagion via complete cultural stasis and even that didn't work. Societies will always change and this can't be avoided, and change is oftentimes scary because of what those changes can entail, but it's ultimately unavoidable then the best you can do is create a society that is capable of handling change without destroying itself.

>>1045409
Being bad at English has a silver lining. Jewish propaganda is harder to understand, because English is one of the biggest vectors for Jewish lies.

>>1049568
>Their country already supplies them with everything they need
I mean that's not true, it's one of the biggest net importers of food in the world. It actually relies on the rest of the world in order to sustain a population its size.

>>1049431
so everything is just fine. eop faggots should only consume holo en and other mutt vtubers

>>1042856
Loanwords

>>1049431
Japan should be the one changing the world, not the other way around

>>1050273
Meant for >>1049643

>>1050273
>Japan should be the one changing the world, not the other way around

Haachama, Sukoya, also 10% of the Japanese language is a pile of English loanwords with a wrong pronounciation.

>>1042827
>english is difficult as a second language
No it's not

The Japanese may have been diligent during the period of rapid economic growth, but I believe that this is no longer the case.

In 2021, people in Korea, China, and Southeast Asia will be many times more diligent in their studies. There may be some problems with the English education system in Japan, but I believe that the motivation of young people to study is relatively lower than in other countries.

As a south american i thought that every first world country had a decent english education until i found hololive

>>1042735
Several reasons beside the obvious one that the education is lacking

1.) It's far removed from English. Japanese have to learn tons of new grammar and vocab that speakers of other language can skip. At least most languages from western Europe already have articles, plural, declension, etc. They also use the same latin words often enough. Not to mention English pronunciation being weird and arbitrary at time when you just look at written English.

2.) No need to learn English. Obviously you can live only knowing Japanese in Japan. But technically it's the same for Poles. Japan is just big enough that they can also make their own entertainment or translate and dub others and make it still profitable. Scandi countries just put subs on them for example. I think this might even be the main reason. They even have their own, strictly Japanese alternatives to youtube, 4chan, tumblr and whatsapp, so they're also less likely to mix with English speakers like that.

>>1045409
Reminder that Japanese textbooks incorrectly label Korean Dokdo islands (situated in the Eastern Sea between Japan and Korea) as Japanese Takeshima Islands.
This is basically a war crime

>>1051749
every country has a territorial dispute

>>1050712
It is if your native language isn't similar to English.
Language difficulty is based on whatever language(s) you currently already know.

>>1050273
Change is never one-way, even when a nation is conquered it influences its conquerers in some way.

>>1045409
DESU I wish my country was remotely so insular and casually nationalistic. Japan has problems but nation-wide self-hatred in the youth is not one of them.

>>1051749
>muh desolate rocks
This is how you know you're talking to a korean. APOLOJUICE AND REPARATIONS NIDA

>>1051749
Why are island territorial disputes always over islands that no one is living on and has no resources to extract? Like what's the point, just to have it?

ITT you have a lot of retards struggling to understand why the top countries by average TOEFL score are: Netherlands, Austria, Belgium, Switzerland, Denmark and Germany.

>>1051979
control of waters. territorial claims extend a way out from land. gives you access to fishing rights as well as control over shipping lanes

Political arguments in Vtuber boards

>>1052069
You know international waters is anywhere 12 miles from land, right? That's nothing

>>1051789
>>1051895
>>1051979
You guys clearly need to watch this small presentation on KOREAN Dokdo Islands, by international Korean TV channel Arirang TV:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRqJSPfHTiI

>>1052050
>Netherlands
That's cheating, Dutch is just English as spoken by a person suffering from Down's syndrome.
>ik ook

>>1052119
Dude it's just rocks. Rocks you can't even park a boat on.

>>1052095
EEZs go out much further

>>1043928
Imagine living in an Asian tropical paradise and wanting to move to Canada where the weather is -30C.

>>1052050
That has literally nothing to do with the conversation at all retard
Good job looking up a statistic on Google and then feigning superiority over it though.
India has a 95 average and Pakistan has 94, let's see you figure that one out.

>>1052167
Vancouver has surprisingly warm winters for its latitude which is probably why they all move there.

>>1052167
>Imagine not wanting to live in a climate where every summer is an agony of heat and humidity where basically nobody goes outdoors because you get broiled alive
Contrary to their propganda, Japan isn't the only place with 4 seasons. "It has nice weather" is the back-compliment people say about places they hate.

>>1044005
I'm a huge weeaboo but no one in their right mind would want to live in Japan as a foreigner. Working there is hell and you will forever be the dancing gaijin monkey. Japan is amazing as a holiday destination though.

>>1052283
I've heard it's a great place to live if you can avoid getting a real job. If you're some kind of online freelancer or artist or youtuber or whatever, s'all good. Of course you can probably say that about most 1st world countries.

>>1052193
lmao it's linguistic distance to the learners L1 you fucking spastic. India and Pakistan is obviously an artifact of significantly fewer proportion of test takers, although they also largely speak Indo European languages with some shared cognates. Don't reply to me again.

>>1052322
No landlord in Japan is going to rent to some foreigner who doesn't even have residence and works in "Youtube". Japan won't give residence to you either if that's your job. Japanese housing sucks anyway and you're either living in a rural area surrounded by abandoned buildings and old people who don't know why you're there or you're in a concrete jungle with 100 people per square inch. If you just want to go to Comiket or buy meme anime shirts, then take a trip. There's no reason to live there.

>>1052342
I don't think you have any idea what conversations are happening in this thread. You probably desperately searched up whatever you could find so you could post about how dumb people are, but you don't really care about this conversation or being right at all, just feeding your own imaginary superiority complex.

>>1052412
Nah mate:
>it's linguistic distance to the learners L1
Is why the Nips have so much trouble learning English and vice versa. Only a few people got that, obviously you're not one of them.

>>1052435
I'm not going to bother repeating myself. I've bet you've got 10 threads open and are just sitting there waiting for that exclamation mark to pop up so you can get the last word in all of them. Go outside.

>>1052167
>"Asian tropical paradise"
Humid, sticky, gross, awful.
Don't forget the typhoons. Also, if you're in SEAland, all the fucking SEAniggers.
I'll stay with my comfy -30C outside and my hot coco instead.

>>1052283
Nah, it's a nice place to live as long as you aren't working in corporate and more importantly, don't live in fucking Tokyo because it's too goddamn expensive. I lived out in the middle of nowhere there in the 90s and it was a very pleasant existence, but you do basically live like it's still the 18th century in some ways. Making natto by burying it in the ground yourself is great though.

>>1052128
hitler dood
wat nou?

>>1042735
Monolingual culture
They're like burgers
No need for another language

>>1052466
Kek because you've been fucking humiliated. You're probably one of the redditors who wrote paragraphs up thread about the education system and grorious nippon ichiban.

>>1042735
The biggest problem is the Japanese society/education system. You learn a language by speaking it and practicing it aloud and that is what Japanese society/education discourages. Japan is all about fitting in to the system and not drawing attention to yourself, so making a fool out of yourself in front of class by bungling English is something nobody wants to do. Like when I learned my second language we had a few times a week where we would converse in class exclusively in that language. Multiple times a class we would have to do presentations or speak with each other in that second language even outside of class. That shit doesn't happen in Japan; they never speak English unless they are called on.. So even though nips are "taught" English they don't really how to use it since they never use it outside of test taking.

Think of it like learning an instrument, but never actually playing it. So regardless of whatever technical lessons you learned, your skill totally atrophies away because you aren't actually putting these lessons into practice.

>>1045583
>Japanese universities

>>1042735
I'll compare the average Japanese person to myself because I think I'm a good representation of an ESL that can speak English well.
I learned English when I was very young through exposure to cartoons in English, video games in English and the internet.
I think that's what all good ESL speakers have in common, early exposure and content that can't be accessible to me unless I know English.
Compared to the average Japanese person, all the games they could ever want are in Japanese, all the cartoons (both anime and western animation) they could possibly want are in Japanese, all the internet communities they could want are available in Japanese and really there's no drive to learn English.

Being a strong second language speaker comes from "necessity", if something can't be participated in without a specific language than a kid that wants to participate in it will pick up the language.
That's especially true when a LOT of things need the same language to participate in.
The vast internet (particularly the pre facebook one) can't be enjoyed fully without the English language, MapleStory which was my whole life at some point in my childhood couldn't be fully enjoyed without English and as soon as I discovered anime the fact that the most available translations are in English made me depends on it even more.

One thing that reinforces my theory is when I was in Japan I met exactly two Japanese people who were completely fluent, one is a hostel owner in Osaka in his twenties that had dreadlocks and was into western music and the other is what I presume is the owner (or at least employee) of a warhammer store in Tokyo (or was it Osaka too?).
The latter couldn't participate in warhammer 40k without having a good grasp of English.

Bottom line is, Japanese people are shit at English because their culture is rich enough that they don't get excluded from anything by not knowing it.

>>1052798
>The latter couldn't participate in warhammer 40k without having a good grasp of English.
Which army did he play?

>>1052887
No idea, I'm a filthy dirty secondary who has a good grasp of the lore and didn't play one game in his life.
He ran me a tiny game to give me a taste of how the game is played, I had Ultramarines and he had Nurglite Marines of some kind.

>>1052798
I didn't know Japan has Games Workshop stores

>>1052953
40k has a pretty small slice of the TTG pie in japan, but it is still there.

>>1052942
based death guard nip

>>1052887
From what I've heard, much like how D&D was stuck in older editions for the longest time in Japan, 40k took a while before they got more modern models and editions.
So because of that, most of them stick with Marines.

>>1053011
No I know that part because I went to Comiket years back and met some japanese 40k tabletop gamers and man, Games Workshop is a lot better about it now but back in the day if it wasn't the Space Marines, the only way you had codexes in Japanese was if fans translated that shit themselves. Consequently most 40k players in Japan are SM players because it's what they've had translated codexes of for so long.

I just didn't know that Geedubs has official shops there.

I am a SEAfag. It's easy to learn Japanese because of the same phonetic thing, just different grammar structure.

It shouldn't be hard for the JPs to learn English because if a SEAtrash like me can do it, why not them. Still baffles me

Funnily enough, I learnt more English from playing JRPGs (SNES/PS1/PS2 era) than from school.

>>1053095
must actually be nice to be an eldar player there then. they have the most modern models, unlike everyone else

>>1052798
This is pretty accurate

>>1050672
>supachatto

>>1053127
which SEA country?

>>1049424
>You can't speak a foreign language better than you can speak your native language
>nervously sweating Flips

>>1045710
I think you're just retarded anon.

>>1053280
not indogs or flips. You can guess where by how much we hate each other

Inferiority complex is deeply ingrained, I want my asshole to be colonized by our EN & JP master race. I know 5 languages by circumstances but still feel inferior. The ability to speak English is a status symbol too and will land you a great paying job.

Invade me senpai we have oil and gas

>>1053819
stop, my freedom boner can only get so erect.

>>1053819
I used to think it was just one prolific shitposter on /int/ doing these weird self-hating SEApeople posts but no, it's all of you. You all do this.

>>1050273
White piggu is correct for once.

>>1042735
Because why would they wanna learn English? Why in the hell would they leave Japan; a first-world, clean, secure, efficient and naturally beautiful country? They wanna stay in Japan, with their fellow japanese. The only people who learn english are those who have to have relations with foreign companies; in which case they learn English and/or Chinese, or that very small minority that wanna live outside of Japan.

>>1055285
For travel? Then again, nips don't travel abroad much either. That's what I find baffling though. I live in central Europe and have no desire to relocate permanently either, but traveling the world is important to me. How they don't give a shit boggles my mind.

>>1055537
There are a lot of nips who go to western Europe (hence Paris Syndrome being a phenomenon), but they value their regional differences a lot and have a fuckton of local festivals and holidays. Most of their traveling is done within the country or to Thailand, for a Japanese businessman's private rebellion.

Japan isn't a multicultural shithole, they don't need to learn another language, they are actually part of a nation.

>>1042856
Just to say that outside world is exist

>>1052798
Pretty much this as I wrote above. German and Spanish speakers can also get by without English if they want to. They can even watch anime online, but the selection is still smaller generally speaking. I actually knew someone who was into shounen in university who watched them with German subs cause his English wasn't good enough or some shit like that.

>>1052798
Also consider that Subaru, who's a marvelfag, is one of the best at english from the non-coco/haachama holoJPs and Korone, who loves western movies, is also improving a lot.

>>1052119
>muh rocks
Seethe, gook, we should have let the commies take the south and nuked the lot.

>>1052167
I got here but late but trust me you'll want to go back to that -30C in your home country when you've lived through a summer or two in Japan where you have to wear a fucking suit to the shitty school you're teaching in the middle of nowhere and your small box sized apartment has no air condition and you can barely fit a fan inside of it.

>>1050955
You understanding of the world is warped, not your fault really its just your third world upbringing. A first world country isn't obligated to learn shit. You want their table scraps therefore you must beg for it in their language.

>>1042735
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT8uCHYrbx0
Here, this should help you understand why it's difficult for them to learn English.

>>1042735
To be fair English is pain in the ass language to me as an asian who learnt it as second language.

>>1052549
>You learn a language by speaking it and practicing it aloud
No, you learn language by listening to and reading it for thousands of hours. Attempting to output before you've learned the language is pointless and results in stilted garbage. Output will come naturally after acquisition.

>be American
>they "teach" Spanish in elementary school to kids
>nobody actually learns
>go to high school and have to learn a second language if you're college prep
>pick second language (usually only given French, Spanish, or maybe Latin)
>learn it some and never use it and forget
>go to college and have to learn a second language (literally graduation requirement)
>spend 4 semesters learning German and never use it

Explain this two language fags

>>1062203
If you learn listening and reading by listening and reading. You can also actively speaking and writing at the same time, but don't expect to be able to produce good sentences just because you read a lot.

>>1052167
Take it from some one actually in the region: live their a year and you'll stop calling it a paradise

>>1062814
i genuinely don't grasp how anyone could think that's paradise in the first place, there's lots of japs who don't even like their weather

>>1053819
Are you a based Rice farmer then? Honestly if you're Viet, then your inferiority complex is unjustified, you fuckers have consistently been chads for the past 1000 years

>>1062909
Honestly. I'm Taiwanese, but I spent a year studying abroad in the UK. Europeans have no idea how good they have it in terms of weather. I would gladly live the rest of my life in Scottish winter than in a Taiwanese summer

>>1063211
I think you're an exception. I have a friend from southern Vietnam living in southern Ontario (only a few degrees colder than Scottish winters) and he hates their winters with a passion.

>>1052283
I wasn't saying necessarily to live but more forcing other people to speak Japanese if they even want to trade with them. Since after the west collapses they will be one of the few nations doing advanced manufacturing

>>1063938
the assumption the west is guaranteed to "collapse" is cringe in the first place

>>1063974
The entire western world is graduating before 2050

>>1042856
same reason why the Chinese learn it. English is the language of international business

>>1064439
Not for much longer

Because the Japanese can't even speak Japanese.
https://japaneseruleof7.com/are-japanese-people-retarded/

>>1042735
The students that have decent english are in universities, most of the girls from Hololive were poor or they weren't good studying.

I'd argue that holoJP members before joining hololive used to post on niconico where theres no english audience to interact with

>>1062366
Learning a language while not being surrounded by it is the stupidest fucking thing that only works for absolute autists.

>>1063974
its already culturally utterly collapsing and thats why you are here innit. the western/american entertainment is nothing but globohomo trash

>>1042816
Also part of the japanese culture is go in vacation inside your country. Its pretty weird that someone go overseas

>>1065406
sure schizo

>>1065466
self denialers like you are quite pathetic

>nobodys enjoying mutt comics and cartoons anymore because its all low quality woke trash. the industries are absolutely taken over by twatter sjws/woketards and its sales is going down the toilet
>in fact every youngster is gobbling manga and anime up
>mainstream media like western aaa games, hollywood is all about fake flimsy diversity propagated by greedy mega corps and their globalism that only benefits rich cunts
>otherwise they pander to chinks so hard
>indies are all short or gimmicky internet meme shit or else incomplete garbage like early access games
>yuros are desperate to go after amerimutts and pathetically they always prioritise english, while trashing their own language, and their games are always set in some mutt city. their local stuff is too irrelevant and powerless to be popular worldwide

you believe these arent happening at all and everything is fine and superior to japanese stuff

>>1066145
look at all those buzzwords

>>1050672
50% of english is just taken from french, the rest from german and latin.

>>1065465
Man japan is the America or the east

>>1042861
amogus

>>1052798
Sounds about right

>Family came to America in the 60s fleeing the commies
>Parents and grandparents all speak fluent spanish
>Despite taking spanish classes in school and living with spanish gamily I’ve never grasped this shit past the basic baby level because there is literally nowhere around me outside of my family where I’d ever need to use spanish

>>1065406
>>1065466
>>1066145
Heh, I don't know if any anons remember Married with Children, but what they did to Al Bundy is kind of sad. His new role in modern family is the husband of a, admittedly hot, Latina. However, his son is an obese goblino. At least Married with Children gave him fairly normal looking kids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DawWUWSJmc&ab_channel=SelectedforONE

Because Japan is a first world island. They don't need to leave their country for a better life and their neightboors either hate them or are in the other side of the pacific ocean.

>>1066307
Well English is based first in German but old English got raped by so many other languages it’s the village bicycle of European languages

A lot of the members (late 20s) are part of the Yutori Generation, where the Japanese government tried to switch to the Yutori education system (a system moving away from traditional hypercompetitive Asian systems to a more Western system) in the 2000s. This as a result had Japanese student abilities plummet in all areas (maths, science, reading) and still hasn't recovered to this day. Some people in this generation can't even read kanji properly as a result

Add to the fact that a lot of members dropped out of middle school / high school / college, and very few are particularly bright in the first place, and you get that result.

I'd bet a lot of the members are kicking themselves now over not studying english when they were younger though for sure

>>1045533
They are hardly putting in any effort to communicate with overseas fans in their community posts on YouTube

>>1066295
sjw and woke isnt at buzzword outside of your tranny riddled safespace

>>1051979

The dispute over this island started in 1948.
Think about this for a second. Korea got liberated from Japanese colonial control in 1945. Only THREE fucking years later Japan knocks on the door and starts pulling the "this part of the land is ours" bullshit again.

At the time there was a very real threat of "if Korea loses control of that island, they'll probably continue to take more land down the line". Nowadays this isn't much of an issue since Japan is more or less castrated at this point, but the dispute in itself is symbolic of attempted Japanese control and takeover of Korean territories, so the stance is not to negotiate even one square inch of it.

>>1066145
>yuros are desperate to go after amerimutts and pathetically they always prioritise english, while trashing their own language, and their games are always set in some mutt city. their local stuff is too irrelevant and powerless to be popular worldwide
This is unfortunate but true. Zoomers here in Sweden speak English when talking to each other and I don't get why.

>>1051749
You the mean United Kingdom's Liancourt rocks?

>>1044327
That's the reality anon. People thought that I am good at English because I'm smart but no, I just watched too much YouTube in English because Indonesian YouTube is shit.

>>1066854
yutori has nothing to do with english, redditor. redditors like you believe only japanese suck at english, but in reality most asians suck at it. so are most slavs, middle eaterners. your immigrants who live in the west dont represent actual natives.

>>1063974
>guaranteed to "collapse" is cringe in the first place
I know, it collapsed decades ago

>>1051749
And that's a good thing, what's kpop ladyboys gonna do about it?

>>1065466
>>1066295
Do you have an argument though?

>>1066358
dude al bundy is an executive producer in that show.
do you have any idea how much money he's making off that shit?
also iirc that fat goblino isn't kid and he enriched the hot latina later.

>>1067257
I was going to say Korea still has compulsory service so they are at an advantage to make a move when the US collapses and is forced to pull out of Asia but in reality China will probably just take everything

>>1067150
you ever actually been to Japan? versus other parts of the world they legitimately significantly lag behind.

>>1062203
I self-taught myself English without even realizing it with YouTube and video games. Sure, I can write and read and comprehend the language, but I am VERY bad at speaking. I ended up taking a conversation course and it's better now, but my pronunciation is still shit.

I find the argument the west is collapsing from people who have an extremely uneducated and basic view of what Japan is like kind of infantile. The idea Japan is some perfect paradise that will reign supreme once the west finally dies because of transsexuals and sjw's is really dumb and is definitely something that comes from obsession/being a weeb.

Granted I don't think the west is perfect in any way and certainly should be criticised but Japan has problems many of those people aren't even aware exist.

>>1067504
>they legitimately significantly lag behind
In what? They are the world third largest economy and one of the main centers of invitation in the entire world. It also is in the top 10 highest median incomes in the world and has some of the lowest crime rates on earth. Who are they lagging behind?

>>1062366
>be a gamer
>can't communicate with ESP players

Life has its ways

>>1067591
>Japan has problems many of those people aren't even aware exist.
Let me guess you think the problems are they don't let in infinity niggers and weed is illegal?

>>1067592
in english, read the thread, dumbass.
even in Tokyo you find a ton of people who can't even speak a basic english sentence. case in point hololive members.
Hong Kong and Singapore has the highest English literacy but even other Asian countries weren't as bad.

>>1067652
>in english
Who even gives a shit about that? read the thread, dumbass

>>1067540
my english is really good (when i'm not lazy and actually put effort in) but my entire country is so good at english for whatever (netherlands) it's a fairly useless skill because a random farmer in bumfuck nowhere speaks decent english here

>>1067640
No, though my opinion on weed is indifferent I guess, it's a fairly minor thing.

>>1067640
Japan's aging society is unironically a problem but you likely won't acknowledge it as such. And no I'm not saying they should fix it with immigrants.

>>1067754
>aging society is unironically a problem
Why? big line may go down a few notches?

>>1067754
Tenma is that you when did you get good at English

>>1067754
it's what's going to happen though, because the aging population thing is a global problem across all 1st world thanks to the kiked up economic system

>>1067818
The issues you perceive in the West also only shift by a couple notches every now and then yet those are serious problems that will definitely end Western society as we know it.

>>1067867
Nice deflection

>>1067754
i'd prefer that over dealing with cheating dirty whores in the west. rather have pure japanese girls who stay loyal and don't poop out 3 kids by 25

>>1067368
Depends on if they don’t collapse first due to their problems honestly China has to hope the west collapses first otherwise they do because of how rushed they have been trying to overtake and recent developments crippling their homeland and faith in government

>>1067914
>cheating
a-anon idk if you should go to japan

>>1067592
It's a fine tourist destination but living and working in Japan is gay. Either you live like a hick in the boonies with a bunch of octogenarians or like an overworked rat in the city. Median income is higher than other places but cost of living is some of the highest in the world. Japanese people are very miserable and depressed despite relative stability. Nobody actually likes living there and they have a massive complex over being defeated by America and basically being a vassal state ever since. Fuck them.

>>1067947
Is that actually so bad in Japan? I thought it was a meme

>>1067818
>>1067867
>doesn't understand Modern Monetary Theory
Actually yes. Part of the reason why gov't spending is so high is because they borrow at a low interesting rate and pay with money worth less. Listen to Jerome Powell, the Fed Chair. Even though our debt the GDP is high, ti don't matter because they're paying basically nothing in interest. Most developed economies seek around a 2% inflation rate. Deflation hurts everyone except for people who save their money and don't invest.

>>1067968
>Japanese people are very miserable and depressed despite relative stability
If you look at anti depressant use by nation you will see a very different story

>>1067914
> pure japanese girls who stay loyal and don't poop out 3 kids by 25

anon... maybe you shouldn't watch hololive for your own sake...

>>1068101
not him but doesn't that also just have a lot to do with how easily doctors in your country prescribe ssri's? i live in a european country and you won't get put onto drugs like that unless you are genuinely really far gone while i've heard, correct me if i'm wrong, some american states just get you on meds immediately

>>1068101
why take antidepressants when you can jump off the train platform?

>>1042861
Your euro inferiority complex is showing.
Literally nobody mentioned America except you, dude.

>>1068020
I can't find the sources but 41% of Japanese women admit to having cheated before in a relationship compared with 70% of American women

I couldn't speak or write English till I became a degenerate weeb and my native language sources dried up. I was forced to learn this language.

>>1067914
>rather have pure japanese girls who stay loyal and don't poop out 3 kids by 25
i too would like to live in a fantasy world

>>1067968
So east America with less proud people over wars but more sad fucks about the past

>>1068173
>i live in a european country and you won't get put onto drugs like that unless you are genuinely really far gone while
Well the west is a very depressing place

>>1068020
I don't want to make definitive statements but I worked in Japan for 2 years and I was somewhat baffled by how casually both Japanese men and women are willing to cheat, it's like the stigma against it isn't there. And no I wasn't the one doing it, just observing. Though I guess it's a bit overstated on places like 4chan and the western internet due to NTR and JAV and shit.

>>1068301
i just feel like this isn't a very accurate representation of how mentally healthy a country is

>>1068322
Even Marine said she lusted for "doing things while knowing that it's the wrong thing to do." As in, cheating, pretty much

>>1068101
Doctors over prescribed just about everything it’s not just anti depression meds we only have massive opioid problems because of pharma pushing pain pills so hard before they got restricted then it created a massive black market demand

>>1068344
I do, aren't must schizo posters Americans and Australians?

>>1068322
>>1068347
this happens because of how japanese people view marriage. it's a transaction, in many cases not sexual. though i think this opinion is changing somewhat and yes it is overstated

>>1068377
the problem i have with it is you could pull up a suicide chart and japan is above america and south korea WELL above both of those sitting in between a bunch of god awful third world african countries.

>>1068381
So American views on marriage until recently after the collapse of the family unit caused it to become a thing you have to really love your partner to invest in

>>1067914
japanese people cheat like fucking crazy, it's almost an accepted thing

>>1042735
Japs live on a planet of their own so they don't need to learn English.

>>1068377
Anon most skitzo posters are SEA atleast on this board and jp you might be right if it’s pol though because that place is just 90%bots and government agents and 10% the skitzos who engage with them

>>1068492
/pol/ is a great training ground for learning how to sniff out shilling and false-flagging

>>1068590
Even better for developing delusions of persecution

>>1068347
>>1068322
>>1068381
Sort of. People don't understand how easy it is for women to cheat. I was at a party once and this woman was casually mentioning her boyfriend why letting one of my friends spank her. There's almost no real negative consequences for women cheating, especially since they can largely pay for their lifestyles themselves. I remember some twitter thread about this woman who got drunk at a party and sucked off like 9 guys.

>>1068726
just don't meet the type of women who go to parties, meet someone like Ina.

>>1068816
>just meet someone who doesn't go out

>>1068816
>>1069053
Aside from school, I have no idea how you'd meet someone like Ina. Even if you go to church, a lot of them are slutty. I actually speak from experience on this one.

>>1069053
You need to get in good with her parents and get an arranged marriage

>>1069053
You might have the perfect match!
And you'll never, ever meet!
That's the fun part.

>>1068652
You lose most of those when you leave for a detox month or two

>>1047666
this post reeks of ''nippon banzai'' tier thinking, also:
>japan
>army

>>1051872
>Japan has problems but nation-wide self-hatred in the youth is not one of them.
Instead they still think of themselves as some sort of superior empire, literally ''zipangu and golden country' which is just as bad, the japs need a reality check on their actual position in the world, maybe then they'll stop being so fucking secluded.

>>1068652
if you're implying there's not an orchestrated effort to undermine and annihilate european culture and civilization I'm gonna call you a kike

>>1069549

>>1069549
christ here we go

>>1052798
You were on the spot until

>because their culture is rich enough that they don't get excluded from anything by not knowing it.

Japanese cocksucking aside, that's only a factor when you consider the cultural sphere alone, what about politics? economics? science? sports? international relations? higher education? All of those will require a certain level of english proficiency in one way or another,.

If japan wasn't getting westernized it'd be getting chink'd. Pick your poison

>>1067914
American women don't want kids until they're 32

>>1069685
japanese women just don't want them at all

>>1066145
I'm not american, but this seems like an american problem to me.

>>1069768
It's incoherent irrelevant rambling

>>1069225
This is difficult because the type of people who are like Ina are exactly the type of people who also never go outside their homes in the first place. But they are the best. You just have to search harder than you usually would have to (i.e. don't pick up random people from the street, or clubs, or whatever.)

Your best bet would be from networking with friends or co-workers.

>>1067640
You fucking /pol/ tards always spew the same bullshit, japan's economy has been on a decline since the 90's, their suicide and 過労死 rates are through the roof, their aging population will literally break the social welfare system in less than a couple decades, their education system and tech apliccations is third world tier, among countless other problems. But of course your rotten brain just works based on buzzwords from some autist on an anonimous shemale rating forum.

>>1067914
Oh ok so you're just trolling then, for a second I was worried.

>>1069949
tell me why its trolling

>>1069966
>pure
>stay loyal
>japanese girls

c'mon mate

>>1042735
1. Japanese people don't need English in their daily lives so they don't bother to learn it.
2. VTubers are recruited from bottom of the barrel human material (with few exceptions), so one cannot expect them to be able to do what even normal Japanese people fail at.

>>1070000
what

>>1069900
The problem is there really is no middle ground these days. People meme on high school sweethearts or college sweethearts, but the most successful marriages I know are from there. I'm getting closer to 30 and I really don't even care or worry about marriage. I'm just gonna get my dividend stocks and retire early.

>>1069927
/pol/frens believe modern economics is jewry, without also understanding the problems with gold-backed currencies.

>>1069681
I AM talking about the cultural sphere alone, that or niche hobbies.
Little kids don't learn English early on because of economics or politics, they do it because of video games and the internet.
>politics?
What about them? no politician actually NEEDS to know English, there are only a handful of ESL politicians that are actually fluent worldwide.
>economics?
In your mind economists have to be fluent in English to study or practice it?
>science?
maybe in research, where people are actually expected to read publications from around the globe.
Students and people working in the private sector don't actually need to have much more than a rudimentary grasp of a limited vocabulary.
>sports?
A sportsman can participate just fine without knowing any English, what are you on about?
>international relations?
Only for ambassadors I guess, and how many of those could you possibly need?
Any other government function relating to foreign countries will employ translators, even if a head of state or minister has some grasp of the language they're going to use translators unless they're perfectly fluent, because you don't want any miscommunications.
>higher education?
Only once you reach a point where you are expected to read publications and stuff do you have no choice but know English or not be able to participate in your field.
Getting a Bachelor's degree in anything but specifically English doesn't require you to have that good of a grasp of the English language.

And again, It's not just a "usefulness" question.
It's a question of if it's something a kid would want to get involved with (since kids pick up languages much faster) and if you outright CAN'T participate in a field without having a GOOD grasp of English.

>>1052798
A very similar experience. I'm a mexican who luckily had some good english teachers during elementary and middle school, but my need of learning the language came from wanting to understand the videogames I was playing, especially RPGs like Final Fantasy and Pokemon. By the time I was 11, I was already joining online chats and managing some quick conversations because no one in my classes or from my group of friends cared about speaking in english. When I got into high school, I had to depend on myself to improve because their english was very basic, even worse than the stuff I had learned in middle school, it helped me get straight 100s in all of my english classes but thanks that I kept playing videogames and interacting with english speakers through internet, I managed to maintain my level. It was only when I got a job at a call center where I realized how much trouble I had speaking because I had never truly had a full conversation with a native english speaker and the only thing I could do was emulate the accent I had learned from videogames and online videos.

Nowadays I still make some very basic mistakes but all these experiences allowed me to maintain a high level of proficiency, something that I've noticed current generations in this country don't really care about. They think that just by watching Netflix shows with subtitles will allow them to understand and maintain conversations, but the interest is minimal and they'd rather just consume dubbed media.

>>1052283
That'd only if you have no skill and experience

Monkey

>>1062366
>latin

Latin is a dead language why would they even teach it? Just for brownie points?

>>1069927
>still totally trust reddit memes and religious anglo propaganda with their "japan is doomed" hivemind to hide their shitty globohomo greediness and believe japanese birth rate is the worst despite the fact many yuro countries are pretty much the same or even worse. i.e italy, finnland, spain, greece, portugal are worse.

you are another dumb mutt redditor. realise you are as fucking impressionable ignorant and clueless as polacks

>>1066145
>nobodys enjoying mutt comics and cartoons anymore because its all low quality woke trash.
Stop projecting anon. Also, go outside.

>>1042735
Only 6% of Japanese people speak English, it just simply isn’t common there. And most who speak English work in touristy areas like Tokyo and Kyoto in the tourism industry.

>>1067914
Japan actually has a really, really fucking bad problem with cheating and it being seen as acceptable. It's actually ridiculous and quite depressing how endemic cheating on your partner is in society there, and for some reason they just don't understand it creates a ticking time bomb for relationships.

>>1042856
WW2

>>1068377
Yeah 99.9% of the population doesn't post here to begin with. Kinda reminds me of that statistic that revealed that like half of the population uses twitter but 90% of all tweets are made by like 2% of its users.

>>1042735
>>1073950

>>1068726
>People don't understand how easy it is for women to cheat.
While true, men cheat all the time in Japan too, infidelity is a two-way street there.

>>1067914
Oh, so anon is one of those weebs who genuinely believes in the meek, loyal, faithful Japanese woman thing

>>1071652
Not him but anon, what do you think happens when there are too many people who have retired and not enough young people to pay for their social security? This isn't advanced economics, this is simple addition and subtraction. At that point they have 2 options, pay for it anyway and just tank their economy through deficit spending, or just scrap the SSI system altogether. And no country will ever pick the latter because old people will always vote to keep their SSI come hell or highwater. The problem isn't just low birthrates, if that was all it was then quite frankly it just means a shrinking economy which is fine when your population is smaller. The problem is compounding that on top of old fucks who refuse to die and you are obligated to support.

>>1074238
what are you even on about. you aint talking about nothing
most yuro birth rates are pretty much the same as japanese despite ALL THOSE IMMIGRANTS counted in

also mass immigration is all about ECONOMIC GROWTH = BEING PRO CAPITALISM and nothing else. it has nothing to do with "culture". you are just pro capitalism and your original argument doesnt explain anything about japan other than your pro capitalism/globalism view.

>>1071463
It teaches you the language that provides the roots for a ton of others. It's the language that helps you learn other languages.

>>1074468
I said nothing about immigration, I was just saying why specifically Japan's low birthrate will cause issues down the line. Those euro countries don't have a third to almost half the population at retirement age.

>>1067968
>Either you live like a hick in the boonies with a bunch of octogenarians
Same. DUDE i just LOVE the hustle and bustle of TOKYO, it’s so DYNAMIC and makes me feel like i’m in one of my favourite ANIMES. you should totally come on down to my studio showbox, it’s got EXPOSED CARDBOARD walls and everything, we can crack open a nice hoppy Strong Zero or three and get crazy watching some anime on crunchyroll! and dude, dude, DUDE, we have GOTTA go down to the maid cafe- listen here, right, it’s a CAFE where us ADULTS who do ADULTING can go DRINK COFFEE. BUT!!!! it’s also staffed by MAIDS like in our mangos, so we can look at CUTE COSPLAY GIRLS, without dumb security guards bothering us. speaking of which akihito and i have finally decided to tie the knot- literally -we’re both committing suicide tomorrow in our apartment, that way we can stop living in Japan without leaving Japan. i’m fuckin JACKED man, i’m gonna SLAM this Strong Zero and pop open another one!!!

>>1066145
Step outside your /pol/-echo chamber and realize that just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not popular and isn't making money.
Hell, you don't even have to go that far, just browse /co/.

>>1069539
>which is just as bad
It's not ideal, but no, it's definitely not as bad as wanting to destroy and expunge everything about your national identity except the parts where you did the bad thing.

>>1068216
It's less about inferiority complex than about Americans being obnoxious wherever they go not bothering to learn any other language but expecting others to learn English.
Even some fucking VTubers since it's the topic here had experiences at their part-time jobs with americans getting angry because they couldn't get assed to try to communicate in Japanese and expected the staff to speak English.

>>1044479
I do!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbTizG5bFmA

>>1043017
Pretty sure Coco was born in the USA, or something close to that since she's actually more of a JSL.

>>1044327
>Indonesia
>15th economy of the world
>3rd world

>>1044508
everyone has a fetish for any cute foreign girl speaking their own language with a broken accent

>>1042802
What the fuck

>>1045324
Post Irak war propaganda did wonders

>>1069927
>japan's economy has been on a decline since the 90'
Still trillion over a trillion a head of German who is their closest rival
>aging population will literally break the social welfare system
lay off the Japan Times bro

>>1076287
Not him and not even sure who you are quoting but "third world" is effectively become a polite way to say shithole. The US and China are both shitholes and they are the worlds 2 largest economies

>>1069708
bazinga

>>1052193
>ex English colonies are good at English
no way!

>>1052798
This matches my experience with foreign-born relatives.
I have a Portuguese aunt who learned English from watching old beach movies with Frankie Avalon and Annette Funicello.
On the other hand, my mom is from the Philippines, her parents were teachers, and the next village over spoke a different language. Her university required her to take a Spanish course, but they didn’t care as long as you could recite a couple of prayers in Spanish, so she never had the pressure to learn it as well as she learned English.
>>1070038
>pol/frens believe modern economics is jewry, without also understanding the problems with gold-backed currencies.
Little do they realize that America’s gold standard was a plot by (((Mark Hanna))) to crucify middle America upon a cross of gold.
>>1070046
Regarding diplomats, they generally keep a translator around even when they are perfectly fluent. They get to use the translation to buy time to formulate their responses. American UN Ambassador Adlai Stevenson famously called out his Soviet counterpart for doing that during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
>>1078142
Third World was originally coined to describe those who weren’t First World (US-aligned) or Second World (Soviet-aligned) by that definition, Indonesia, a co-founder of the Non-Aligned Movement, is part of the Third World, regardless of its economy. The question is whether China is still part of the Second World, or if that’s only the former Warsaw Pact.

>>1042802
fpbp

>>1079092
Thanks for the year 7 social studies lesson. I already knew all that I'm talking about how the term is used colloquially

>>1078142
Nobody calls the USA a third world country non-ironically. People don't use it for "shithole" but for "underdeveloped country". And i can understand, it may take people some time to realise tons of the countries that were underdeveloped when they were kids are now huge, i know baby boomers who have a hard time coming to terms with South Korea not being underdeveloped anymore.

>>1079788
>Nobody calls the USA a third world country non-ironically
I do

>>1050583
imagine being that fat

>>1075636
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Japaneseism

>>1086147
>Since the eclipse of New Left influence, this group has been thought of as a bizarre cult. The activist who came up with the name "Anti-Japaneseism" has since left the group and describes it as "Satanic". The journalist Toshinao Sasaki describes life within the group as "insane".[13] The education scholar Akira Moriguchi calls it a "violent ideology" and self-contradictory.[14]
A handful of retards isn't comparable to half the zoomers on twitter.

>>1086147
This is funny, reminds me a lot of the antideutsche movement. Even Germans, who are pretty discouraged from feeling nationalistic these days, think this kind of thinking is insane.

>>1065465
nah thats about 30-40 years ago.
Nowdays its quite common.

>>1042802
Somebody forgot their meds

>>1052050
All of those countries speak germanic languages, which, surprise surprise, English also is.

>>1042735
japs arent known for being bilingual
even on /int/, the japanese often have the worst english of any asian country

>>1077972
But anon what about big line!