/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>10756643
Makes sense. All corpo chuubas are there because they weren't entertaining enough to make it alone and need to leech off a brand.

>>10756643
>don’t think there is enough slots
There havent been that many

mixture of burnout, lockdowns ending and that being a 2view doesn't pay the bills

>>10756643
I don't care about 2views.

>>10756643
Maybe the timing is lining up because people either made it in on a slot, or didn't and are now quitting? It might have been a make or break moment for vtubers who don't want to or can't continue as an indie until the next round of auditions.

Indies literally have no reason to graduate, they can keep going at whatever pace they want with no one to respond to, the reality is that a bunch of people jumped the bandwagon expecting massive growth because of the fotm and now they got hit with the reality that you're not guaranteed 200k subs unless you're a holo and many are quitting

>>10756643
the fad is dying particularly in the west. as you can see by the low quality of holo gen 2 candidates.

>>10756746
>lockdowns ending
STOP WITH THIS FUCKING MEME HOLY SHIT THERE HASN'T BEEN LOCKDOWNS IN OVER A FUCKING YEAR JESUS CHRIST

>>10756643
Indies are just realizing that streaming to 2views won't get them anywhere in life and they're too void of a personality to join a corp. It's a good thing desu, we've had an oversaturated chuuba market full of twitter normies so we needed the herd to be culled anyway.

>>10756793
burgerland has had tons of problems cause of their senile president and mass unemployment.

>>10756812
>they're too void of a personality to join a corp
You can almost taste the irony.

>>10756643
The indie scene will have a mass extinction even relatively soon when people move on to the next self-insert thing. Vtuber (especially vtweeters) just use it as an excuse to donutsteel post with their epic OC and never stream, once those fags move on the majority of indies will 'die'
leaving friendfags and people who just have terrible body-image problems and want an anime face.

>>10756643
Good, just goes to show that they all only did this because they were following a trend and hoping for a quick road to fame and money, but now are realizing they actually have to put in real work and effort so it's not a as fun anymore.

Nu-vtubers want to be popular streamers. You will never be a popular streamer. They try so hard appealing to a wider audience instead of building some kind of community circle and have some fun. Just be humble and don't expect anything or you'll only end up disappointed.

>>10756643
Most indies barely get any viewers, so they may lose interest as a result of boredom or making no money.
If it's any consolation to those with arbitrary concerns about this, pretty much every indie is likely logical enough to realise they could potentially get barely any viewers in advance, and they can plan accordingly.

>>10756643
Vtubing has been dead since early spring. Rats are fleeing the sinking ship.

You should look up something called the Industry Life Cycle: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/industrylifecycle.asp

Applies to the vast majority of industries but basically, you have the introduction phase where the idea is just getting started (i.e. Kizuna Ai), growth phase where you have a huge explosion of companies/people joining in and the concept of a product (i.e. vtubing) starts to settle, the mature phase where only a few big companies remain and there is a "shakeout" period with the vast majority of entrants leaving (we are here), and finally, the decline phase when the industry dies (probably in the next 10 years for vtubing).

>>10757065
>next 10 years
Five.

vtubers are dead/dying in the west, JP is fine as usual and Kuzuha/Hal/Pekora are good as always.

>>10756793
>america is the entire world

Its a walmart situation, IE corpos are decimating the indie market, whomever they don't recruit they just muscle out.

>>10756793
Tell that to Australia.

quality of western indies is pretty low, only actual good entertainers will survive in this industry. holo council is proof of this decline.

>>10757065
In the west maybe, vtubing will definitely keep being a thing in japan until it's replaced by an enhaced version of it.

>>10757629
>an enhaced version of it.
VRtubing?

These indies wouldn't have broke past the double digits if they didn't have vtuber avatars. This isn't saying anything about the quality of their streams, but most "2views" should be happy they're in a time they can have an audience at all.

also this shit doesn't have to "pay the bills", it's a side gig at best and even most corporate vtubers have jobs or live with their parents so if they got into vtubing for a money they're fucking stupid and should have been sifted out a lot time ago

>>10757391
Indies are just doing their own thing and don't confederate. However, /wvt/ has banded together and the small corpos, tsunderia/phase/prism/etc did the same.

>>10756643
There are too many companies now. It feels like a TV with 1000+ channels

there are too many shit vtubers and not enough Pekoras.

>>10757775
Maybe, or something else. Vtubing seems like a normal thing now but back in 2016 everyone was thinking how come nobody did it before (they did but only few knew about it).
I would wait until home VR becomes better and cheaper, or see if there's any weird stuff coming out that could appeal to masses on the same level as vtubing.

There's burnout with vtubers in general. The numbers are mostly down outside of the biggest ones and seems like no one cares that much anymore. There's just honestly too many of them at this point. We're at a point we're vtubers are like Minecraft letsplayer wannabes back in the day

>>10756643
There are a lot of them and some probably just gave vtubing a good as a hobby while they did other stuff on the side. Now that life's picking up they can't split their focus and vtubing lost.

>>10756793
australia and japan had some recently i think, its hard to keep up with all the shifting guidelines i dont blame you but you are still retarded.

>>10756643
AtoLive dissolving any time now

>>10756643
So, where on the graph are we now?

>>10758346
bull trap. Sony's going to flood the web with their 100 vtuber swarm and that's going to oversaturate the market while simulatenously killing off every indie under 100 average concurrent viewers

>>10756643
Vtuber fad is over and those who didn't win the lottery know it's too late now.

Who knows

>>10758523
Don't think I don't see you filtering out my sweet strawberry princes because they're dabbing on your girls.

>>10756643
it's easy, it's all people who just wanted in into the fad and now want to move on since it didn't pan out

>>10756791
Good, we can get back to chuubas being niche and having "yasss queen" selfie-poster twitter "vtubers" pollute the scene.

>>10758346
We're at the first sell off or boar trip, vtubing is still not normie enough to be a new paradigm. Normie streamers did it as a joke but they never put their stock into it. The biggest streamers on vshojo and hololive still cant be compared to the biggest streamers so far. People think we're going down and the fad is over but I still think we're years away from that happening.

>>10758346
>>10758414
I think we're in the bear trap. Until there's multimillionaire vtuber instagram thots it's not new paradigm yet.

>>10756789
Fotm?

>>10758346
fad is over in the west, but Kuzuha is still a big deal in Japan.

*Lockdowns happening in the places that matter

Better for you?

>>10757629
And that's because independent streaming in Japan didnt really took off until recently while the west has a long history of streaming culture. Streaming vtubers are literally their only type of streamers
>inb4 Niconico
Normalfags seldom use niconico

>>10758799
New Zealand and Singapore make up less than 1% of the vtuber viewerbase, what are you talking about?

>>10758672
>>10758748
This assumes every trend becomes 'main stream'
This also applies to niche trends as well, in which case vtubing is topped out as far as it will go.

>>10758773
>Kazuha
Who?
>>10758523

>>10756643
Pretty much yes, a lot of indies debuted but hololive,nijisanji and vshojo still at the top having ''indie freedom'' is one big joke if no one watches you, the strong ones join a group and rise

>>10758755
Fucking google it faggot

>>10758853
It's not norm yet because kids aren't getting hooked on it. That could change overnight if someone can crack the code on doing vtuber teaching sessions with live chat interaction with school kids, and if those kids start excelling in academics parents are going to want their kids to do it too, then you'll have an entire gen in 2030 that thinks vtubers are norm while corps are pushing their own chuba mascots. Inevitable vtuber movie will come out, it will be a romantic comedy. First 2 will flop but 3rd will do well, then start getting vtuber movies of all genres and vtubers start outscaling live actors. 2040 all your tv personalities will be vtubers and 2050 you'll see vtuber politicians.

>>10759127
>Its not the norm yet
that's my point dumbass.
Not everything becomes mainstream.

>>10759127
We have streamers in movies now as cameos and being a streamer isnt seen as a weird thing as it was 10 years ago. We're still years away from vtubing being seen as normie, definitely.

>>10759029
that's fgif, not fotm

>>10758596
>Supotori
>Males with one impostor
manjisanji should be worried

>>10759127
>2050
by then I will have my AR dream waifu and will go back to full 2D, vtubers better step up their game

>>10759127
vtubers are like mlp, extremely niche and no widespread appeal

>>10759213
>Master your dinner is ready. You have a 9 AM job interview at HoloSanJo tomorrow . I know this is your 12th one this week but I'm positive Master will nail this one, I believe in you Master! Would you like some oral stimulation before going to bed?
I can't wait for my AR holographic vtuber maid

>>10757065
This process is also applied to products and can be lengthened when you're at the mature/ decline part. You just need to invest a lot in the product to make it gain another growth phase. Repeat when you're at the maturing phase.

>>10757065
just compare it to the console gaming market
-Pong
-Atari and friends boom (everyone is now a vtuber with 50 companies left and right)
-nintendo/sega (small corporates who survive like hololive and their competition)
-playstation/xbox (big ass corpos enter the game, think Sony, Disney maybe, Sonic vtuber)

>>10759347
vtubers only grew cause of the pandemic/mass people indoors and now that is over, only people like Pekora/Kuzuha will survive cause they are natural entertainers.

>>10756643
Alternatively they're all getting hired by Sony.

https://ricedigital.co.uk/sony-to-debut-over-50-vtubers-via-vee-project/

>>10756793
>MY CITY IS THE ONLY CITY IN THE WORLD

>>10756643
sony is most likely head hunting them

>>10756643
Oh hey, 23rd of October is my birthday

>>10759769
auditions are only limited to japanese residents tho

>>10758748
>vtuber instagram thots
quiet imbecile, they'll hear you

>>10759769
150% chance Sony will not pay any of them due to some clause in the contract which includes an NDA and scrap the whole project in 5 years.

>>10759815
But isn't Sony's vtubing stuff a JP focused thing?

>>10758672
>The biggest streamers on vshojo and hololive still cant be compared to the biggest streamers so far

>>10759127
There will probably be completely AI simulated characters by the 2030s anon. Not true AI of course, but good enough to be convincing. Then we can all sperg about how all the soul has been sucked out of vtubing.

>>10759769
22/7 just died from mismanagement and Kaguya Luna said Sony was evil. Anyone who joins them are foolish.

>>10756746
Holy shit, how long are you gonna keep pushing this lockdown meme? There hasn't been any significant lockdowns in any place that matters in almost a year.

>>10760135
or got offered a lot of money

>>10756793
>>10760163
Burgers showing their witty geopolitical skills as always.

>>10760163
You might want to check out Australia

>>10760277
sucks to live under socialism, all those lockdowns over Flu +

>>10759127
>2050
>Not 2019

https://twitter.com/ogino_otaku/status/1194609343598981120

>>10760039
Those thots are either going to retire because they get old and haggard or transition into trad wife content. Their ethot days were numbered since day 1. Once they're gone Pekora will reign supreme

>>10760524
>he thinks people watch them outward physical appearances
ask me how i know you're a 30 something male with no partner

>>10759769
>50 vtubers
Is Sony retarded? I don't think I could name 50 vtubers now and they are flooding the market with that much?
How do I get a job in a major corpo and be paid to make half as retarded decisions as Sony is making? Nepotism? Cronyism?

>>10760701
you know Nijisanji's shotgun approach to firing out a bunch of vtubers in a single go and leaving them to flounder on their own with little to no support? imagine that but with Sony money. it's the same thing.

this isn't a vtuber agency with talents coming out. this is a vtuber battle royale to see of the 50, which one will survive.

>>10756643
Some of these guys were probably picked up by a corpo

>>10760574
Learn to read faggot I said they retire because of age and kids. Viewer counts and working on stream content won't even be on their mind when their bones and joints literally ache and they're tired as shit from postmenopausal stress and having to work on their kids so they dont grow up to be losers like (you)

>>10760776
Even if they found a bunch of vapid whores I still feel bad for them being thrown to the wall to see if they stick like that.
How do you debut 50 vchuubas?
all at once? 5 per day for 10 days straight?
5 per month for 10 months straight?

>>10760908
>they retire because of age and kids
>he actually believes this
jesus this fucking cope

>>10760776
Maybe, maybe not. Supporting vtubers isn't really *that* expensive, at least not for a company the size of Sony that's trying to buy its way into the market. Nijisanji does it that way because it's economical for them to do so, Sony doesn't necessarily have to worry about it.

>>10760938
>How do you debut 50 vchuubas?
all at once. the battle royale starts at the same time for every one of them.

>>10760951
Show me your top 40+ female ethot on Twitch

Who other than Io is graduating? Everyone here is talking about tons of Vtubers quitting, but who?

>>10760315
>>10760277
No country that matters still has lockdowns, they're all about vaccine enforcement and/or incentives and maybe masks too.

>>10761078
Yaxie graduated already
Tora announced a while back

>>10761113
Australia is trying to go full authoritarian right now, they even have fucking camps

>>10760039
3rd among women. Streaming is still dominated by men.

>>10761067
I was gonna say Mia Malkova but she apparently isn't even 30 yet

>>10761165
There's really not that many people in Australia.

>>10761078
A lot of vtweeters quit as well. Some of these girls are just too obsessed with the results they could have but feel that they don't want to waste time putting effort to entertain maybe 2 viewers if they're lucky. They just don't have the knack .

>>10761203
Well there’s about to be a whole lot less

>>10761165
Australia doesn't matter and even if it did it's been moving in that direction for at least half a decade.

>>10756643
I told myself that the majority of 2views jumping into the fad when HoloEN debuted and later wouldn't even last a year. Looks like I was right.

>>10761322
>just ignore a western country going authoritarian bro
Are you retarded?

>>10761201
It's the biological clock, they can't stop it. In modern world women in their 20's think they can put off kids and family, then 30's they feel unsatisfied with life but don't know why, then 40's they wake up realize they missed their chance 20 years ago and turn into a miserable mess. They become as desperate to have kids as guys in their 20's obsessed with sex.

>>10759127
Holy schizo literally none of this will happen it this will go the way mlp did, with a whimper.
>2050 you'll see vtuber politicians
Lol there's already some of these in japan. It was a senator or someone of lower ranking I believe.

>>10761457
Botan and Korone seem like they are still enjoying being a vtuber though.

>>10761469
It’s a parasocial relationship brah

Why do they RP and use the term graduating. Theyre not pretending to be Idols so what's the point.

>>10761519
That was my entire point, Pekora will reign supreme for subcount because ethots retire due to age and kids

Idk about all this. But I will say I'm barely paying attention to any vtuber lately. Ya know, with the worlds economies failing and governments going full retard (or willingly) in destroying their shit for the "great reset" shit. I'm too worried to even enjoy vtubers anymore.

Maybe in western sphere
My indies are growing rapidly

>>10761165
It's true, here's the woman behind it all brazenly talking about just how she intends to fuck us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLTGXblgUoc

>>10761361
Australia isnt a tenth as relevant as indonesia

>>10761594
Hololive has defined what it means to be a vtuber in the west, so western vtubers imitate the trappings of idols even if they don't realize where they came from.

>>10761909
>western vtubers imitate the trappings of idols
Looking at nijiEN and vshojo and others I really don't know how you can think that.

>>10761594
Even outside vtubing scene, the word graduation isn't really restricted to just idols nowadays, much like the word oshi.
They use it for everything, I've seen rock/metal bands using that term too when their band members left.

>>10760701
>flooding the market
anonchama, there's close to 20k VTubers out there now; 50 is just a drop in the bucket.

>>10762047
Show me one metal band that has done that.

>>10761909
No they haven't you stupid holotard.
Its a catch all term that's existed long before Hololive ever existed.

>>10762250
Provide a single example of a western streamer "graduating" before Hololive existed

>>10760701
I imagine they'll be sticking them in certain niches. Family friendly ones, More mature ones, a singing group under a sony music label, some focused on gaming, etc.
kinda like a mix between Riot and Niji but with the sony music label on top of it.

Sony is literally debuting like 50 chubas pretty soon, I'm thinking many of them will be there.

>>10761644
vtubers are just ethots with an anime avatar.
-some ID girl

They realized the flavor of the month-period is over.
Simple as.

>Mailing address on the final schedule
Damn she must really be graduating for health reasons

>>10761959
Not him, but I'd say it shows more in the smaller corps.
Tsunderia, PRISM, Kawaii, etc... were created heavily with hololive in mind. many of them directly reference hololive in their original marketing / recruitment statements.

PC is off doing its thing with menheras, but i think we can heavily assume the founders are holofags too.

>>10756793
It is if you live in a civilized country.

>>10756793
An Actual reddtor. This is your brain on an echochamber.

if you quit because you didn't get into a company it's your fault, mainstream streamers get scouted when they get big enough, some indies think if you are not in a company you have failed and will never grow, to me they feel like they are trying to get easy money jumping on the cool new thing, a lot of big vtubers in companies streamed for years as indies, like ironmouse streamed more than 3 years before joining vshojo, a lot of holoEN streamed as indies for a long time too and i'm pretty sure nijis did the same, there's very little cases (i can't think of anything) of company vtubers who started with no experience, i think the vshojo auditions are gonna say something about a lot of people that get rejected, just looking at the post comments it's full of cloutchasers that will probably graduate when they find out they're not getting in

>>10763318
I don't understand the obsession with companies.
Like they're good publicity, but if you needed a corp to make it you weren't going to make it in the first plalce.

2viewbros… I don’t feel so good…

>>10759191
Based

COVID is over, even hololive is declining.

>>10764824
that's not covid, that's the hype wearing down

I assumed the graduations were related to this.

>>10763477
They want fame, success and money.

>>10763477
>I don't understand the obsession with wanting to start with guaranteed success because of a brand name slapped on your face and having more subs on your debut than someone independent will ever get even if they worked their ass for 10 years
C'mon son.

>>10765756
I mean I get the wanting success and money part. But like, its so minimal and feels more like people hoping for a cinderella story without realizing its work.

Its like someone who taught themselves how to write hello world in python whining that theyre not getting picked up by google... like no shit, and even if you did you'd fuck it up immediately because you don't know the job.
vtubing for a corp is a job, not a charity. and like any job you should actually be able to do it.

>>10765853
you don't have to be talented or work hard, people will watch cause of the brand.

see: Ayame

>>10765897
you could, but don't people have any sense of work ethic and desire to do a good and satisfactory job?
ayame is decent enough, and gets the benefit of starting before hololive got big.

>>10765958
girls in particular are lazy, hard working girls in the streaming field are even more rare. why work hard when you can do the minimum and be rewarded?

>>10757391
indie scene is one of the major force in japanese vtuber, it's just the west shitty corpo culture

>>10756974
anon is goddamn right

>>10765897
Counterpoint: Mel

You still need to have some qualities to get the attention in the first place.

>>10765396
she still streaming until the end of october, nijiEN3 will debut in middle october, it's not the case

>>10760039
Valkyrae streamed about 50% of all 2020, I think she just woke up, showered, and hit Go Live. She's an absolute machine.

>>10756643
Because most of the people who jumped into vtubing didn't actually enjoy streaming, they just wanted to be rich and famous and thought vtubing would be an easy way to become rich and famous. They expected to get five digit ccvs and thousands of dollars every stream like the holos do, only to be faced with the reality of being a 2 view and now that it's been a year most of them are finally getting disillusioned and throwing in the towel.

>>10756643
Hype season for vtubing is over, both viewers and vtubers are losing interest.

>>10761165
Australia, where guns are illegal: cops will suplex your mother for having her mask below her nose.
Alabama, where guns are literally everywhere: cop will smile and nod.
Curious. Almost as though we cracked the code to a free society over 200 years ago, and the rest of the western world can only wring hands about "muh mass murders."

Gura has talent. She made it twice before Hololive. Once with a six figure subscriber count and once with a seven figure subscriber count. Viral videos and all. She works hard, too. She’s mentioned her notebook where she writes down ideas of things to talk about in her streams. The bathtub stream, the ASMR stream, the baking stream. Her original music. Upgrading her signal chain for karaoke. I could go on.

These indies see her success and jump in. Just like every kid begged for a guitar and wanted to be a rock star. All you have to is play guitar and fuck women. They don’t see the time spent learning to rewire pawn shop amps, time alone in your room playing guitar, purple finger tips, being the weird obsessed kid, playing shitty cover sets at dirty clubs where the only audience is the other bands and their girlfriends, time in the studio doing the same thing over and over and over, never enjoying just listening to music again because it’s now something you have to analyze and learn from, the all nighters from an inconvenient burst of inspiration that you can’t lose.

Gura has been making videos and streaming since she was twelve years old. Always that weird kid who made those videos. Perfecting her craft. She didn’t just fall into this and it’s not easy street. The indies may or may not understand this now, but they are realizing it isn’t what they think.

>>10761158
Tora? As in Codename: Tora or someone else? 'Cause I haven't seen anything about him graduating.

>>10758523
19 out of the top 25 is Hololive…

>>10768583
you're funny if you think singing poorly or playing minecraft/stickmin is a talent the shark has over other indies. any of them can do it, it's called being propped up by a brand.

>>10768658
Gura did it twice on her own before Hololive.

>>10765396
That's still odd though. Most of the talents for Wave 3 presumably got in a while ago, and I dont think Nijisanji mentioned having an audition period for what would presumably be wave 5. People just seem to be dropping like flies, and I don't think Hololive has EN Gen 3 in mind this early either.

>>10765045
Hololive is weird, it still gets a ton of attention during major events like new costumes or generations, anniversaries, ect, but JP seems more consistent than EN sometimes in terms of views.

>>10768699
Anon you can’t change their mind, those types of people think the brand is everything not realizing the brand is so strong because of the talents.

>>10768699
my point is their "success" is because of a brand propping them up. they would be a literal nobody meme content creator without Cover.

>>10768933
Japan is a bubble, Kuzuha gets 140k for apex with pros, and almost no EOPs watch Kuzuha.

EN vtubing is definitely dying though.

>>10769054
its not dead fast enough, we need LESS ironic weebs

>>10769134
I hate most EN fans with a burning passion
>KUSA YA BE TOUCH GRASS HI HONEY (insert meme here used 100000000000000 times)
I agree.

>>10768583
>the all nighters from an inconvenient burst of inspiration that you can’t lose
Implying that's not living the life. True art is a passion, and true artists have it. Posers looking to get rich can be spotted a mile away, because they don't have an ounce of tiger blood in them.

>>10768998
And have you considered Gura doing all of those is what led Cover picking her up over other talents? Are you really one of those people who think you can just willy nilly audition and hope to get lucky in getting picked without much accomplishments/skills then coast the whole way?

>>10757361
Hal is not similar to Kuzuha/Pekora. The other 2 are like typical big streamers and can usually get good views on anything and consistent. Hal's special thing is that in JP, he is an important figure for APEX/FPS in general and APEX is still huge in JP. If someone had to recommend a streamer/creator to watch for APEX stuff, high likelihood it will be Shibuya Hal. He also hosts tourneys and has a lot of connections among the FPS community there. Outside of collabs with popular people, commentating/godview of tourneys or other non-normal streams, his numbers don't hit as much as Kuzuha/Pekora. Like many other chuubas who invested in APEX for FPS, he benefitted greatly. He saw the trend coming and made the jump from PUBG and hopefully he can make another good jump when/if APEX ever dies. I doubt it would be R6 or Valo (which there've been multiple attempts by streamers to get more popular but doesn't work).

>>10758596
They're not vtubers. But honestly its confusing now as to what a vtuber is. Some could say its what came after Kizuna Ai but then you have streamers who get fancy animated avatars but say they aren't vtubers like Kamito/Kinako. Then you've got utaite who have shown their real face and also have an animated avatar. Amatsuki isn't a vtuber but 96neko apparently is since she made it into vtuber cup?? So maybe they just have to have the avatar and then say they are vtubers???

the chuuba market is oversaturated, the vast majority of indies aren't gonna make it.
it's been almost a year and a half since vtubers exploded in the west and hololive really took off
loads of indies started around then, and most of them are realizing they're gonna be 2views forever

>>10757517
>>10756791
why are kfp like this?

>>10768583
You're absolutely right, just chiming in to say. People who think Gura has no talent and drive (or even an "ordinary" amount of talent and drive) are fucking morons.

>>10769054
I don't think it's dying, it's just not growing. There's no new audience coming in so to gain an audience you basically have to take someone elses' and that's a hard thing to do against established names and brands people are already invested in.

The 'gold rush' era is coming to a close and many are having to adjust their expectations going forward. This is filtering a lot of people who may have believed that the market was strong enough to make a career of it.

What will be interesting to see is who sticks with vtubing and why.

>>10768658
Will these unicelular brains ever understand that there was a massive audition?

>>10768699
I would say 4 times.
Getting in hololive counts as one.
Becoming top worldwide is its own achievement.

>>10767777
That's why so many of them didn't hesitate to show their face in that recent drama. If you really liked vtubing for its own sake you wouldn't give up your privacy for nothing in a medium that outright encourages you to be anonymous, but if you're thinking far more of your own personal fame and success than having any committment to your character and current content then it makes sense.

>>10770096
Corpo success is a lottery ticket for which the price is unknown. Vtweeters and lazy indies go in focusing on the 'lottery' idea because that implies anyone can do it without being anything special, and balk when they have to keep paying...and paying...and paying...
Difference is for the people who stick with it, paying is its own reward whether they get into a corp or not.

>>10761058
Squid game. Succeed as a vchuuba or fucking die trying.

>>10761677
Watch Bill Hicks my dude. It's just a ride.

>>10774054
i would actually watch them if 50 chuubas were debuted with this as the premise.

>>10756793
>>10760163
Not him but lots of people are still working remotely

>>10762618
Definitely Prism and Kawaii. Tsunderia has the idol quality in that everyone in the company can sing (except Orla, but we haven't actually heard her try. She said she sang in her audition, so maybe she's just being hard on herself?), but their interactions with chat and with each other are much more akin to a Twitch group. Maybe that's why they haven't gained more traction, because they exist in that in-between space of professional but untouchable idols and the crassness but approachability of indies?
It's also worth noting they closed their Gen. 3 auditions recently. They're not big enough to have roped in the bigger names like Lyrica, but Yaxie and Taro are about the right size

>>10768998
It's funny because you hit on the precise reason why Cover made the decisions they did in selecting most of holoEN.

>literal nobody without Cover

In fact, it should seem almost imperative in hiring a holo that the company should be nearly indispensible in their success - that it should be extremely unlikely that they are able to succeed on their own. This is the leverage the company has on you. Reality forces compromises most of the time, but in Holomyth it wouldn't be surprising if they explicitly selected for this from the immature and unsuccessful EN scene. It's an employer's market and they used their advantage to have the pick of the litter. It just seems that people are confused as to what they are picking for.

The branding obviously forms a large part of their success. That's the point of the company, that's what they're offering. That means, from the scouts' perspective, that skills and entertainment ability take a back seat to other more important factors. The big question - if the vtuber bubble bursts, will you abandon vtubing and the company?
From their portfolios, most of them have demonstrated from their sheer length that they will do things that the company is interested in having them do whether being paid well or not, even paying out of their own pocket to do it. The talent the scouts are looking for isn't performance related. It's perseverance and as much as the word is overused, passion.
They look for assurance that the reasons for you doing what you do don't change regardless of financial success or the lack of it. And most indies clearly don't have that passion and couldn't supply that assurance, as we are seeing.

>>10768998
>>10775395
the two dumbest fucking takes on /vt/

>>10772559
no

>>10768998


Gura was a bigger somebody than you will ever be in your life twice over before she was ever offered a job at hololive.

>>10768998
Holostars are practically 2views and Iofi and Anya are mid-tier indies. Brand can only do so much.

>>10775514
I don't think you read >>10775395 properly if you think it says the same thing as >>10768998.
Obviously Gura has talent far above most indies and was repeatedly successful in what she did. That doesn't translate to financial success. Cover gave her that. It's symbiotic.

>>10772559
Imagine considering there were multiple auditions, not just NijiEN, that happened recently and thus many graduations.

>not into video games or streaming
>see all these girls stream video games for 10k viewers
>they get 1000$ donations each stream
>think you can do the same because you are quirky and unique
>turns out youre not actually as quirky and unique as you thought you were
>dont enjoy playing video games and self narrating it for 2 viewers
>graduate because you cannot make a living out of it
That must be 99% of indies.

>>10756793
kill yourself my nigga

>>10769054
Now post the numbers Kuzuha got the next time he played with the same exact people.
Here’s a hint it was less than his normal ccv lol

>>10775686


Anon thinks talent scouts don't do anything but just play eany-meany-miney-moe with random people on the street, which is just cope shitters with no will-to-power tell themselves to rationalize away their insecurities about not having stature they solipsitically feel entitled too for no particular reason.

>freelance musician and rapper for 6+ years
lol i could do that. you're just successful because you got picked up by hololive
>4+ year internet memelord with almost 1 million subs
lol i could do that. you're just successful because you got picked up by hololive
>5+ years experience in idol culture and international cosplay with fluency in multiple languages
lol i could do that. you're just successful because you got picked up by hololive
>extremely successful freelance artist who has worked on multiple games and has pieces published in a variety of art books
lol i could do that. you're just successful because you got picked up by hololive
>3+ year streamer off twitch
lol i could do that. you're just successful because you got picked up by hololive

you could probably do the last one, but the only thing you've committed that much time to is shitposting on 4chan and that's not really a marketable """"talent"""" but sure keep blaming their success on the corpo and not all the work they've put in to beat out every other applicant. cope harder, 2view

>>10776154
2views seething while autistic girls gets my money, Corpos wins again!

>>10766926
50% as in days? That's not super crazy

>>10776491
50% as in about 12 hours every single day

>>10761223
>A lot of vtweeters quit as well.
oh no not the vtweeters

>>10766774
>Counterpoint: Mel
Still the 1%.

I always ask, what do these companies actually provide for their talents? For example, hololive, they aren't given their talents superior models, superior rigging, superior 3D....none of this. What value does the company add?

Answer: they are cornering the market on these talents and choosing who the get to talk with, collab with, mention. Effectively, they have a monopoly on Pekora, Korone, Gura.....etc.

That's really the "value" that these organizations have. It's a little monopoly.
This walled garden attitude is killing the indie scene. And the indie scene is what funnels talent into the main agencies, so it's killing them in the long term as well.

ITT seething 2views

>>10780425
I think we got VTweeters and 0Views here too.

>>10780316
Hololive didn't tap into the indie v-tuber scene heavily to begin with, so why would they care if it can't adapt and survive?
Most of their best grabs were from old-guard NND streamers and whatnot, and of Holomyth, NONE of them were really picked for their vtubing experience rather than their streaming experience. Council are 3/5 indies, but again, 3/5 were accomplished in other fields outside of v-tubing, another was a former corpo, and the last is ASMR.
If anything, the bigger issue is exists for NijiEN, since they've hired exclusively from the indie pool so far.

>>10761361
this isn't pol you massive cuck

>>10780316
Exposure. They're supplying brand recognition, opportunities to work with a lot of large-named artists and musicians as well as the opportunity to have their work seen and heard around the world.

Skilled people who want to share their talents will always exist with or without the indie vtuber scene.

no Nijisanji are debuting 4 or 5 new members to join the ever growing dead NijiEN vtubers.
Not like they're all suffering anyway but lets add more.

>>10776154
Let's not start pretending Mori and Kiara were super making it and at the top of the world before they got into Hololive either. They clearly had experience on things, but Holo was their first real big breakthrough. You've never seen all the humiliating and pathetic shit Kiara had to do before for peanuts?

>>10780316
You know how Nintendo can slap a sticker that says "Nintendo" on a literal turd and it will sell gorillions and you will have people defending the literal turd like if their life depended on it? That's what the companies give you.

>>10756793
My university is doing most lectures and courses online still, and it's not the only one. Doesn't have to be a full-on lockdown for people to be on the internet more.

>>10780699
You think this is remotely about anything they achieved? It's about the effort and the lengths they went to more than anything else. Kiara's stuff is precisely what the scouts would have eaten up once they did the most cursory checks. They were exactly what Cover was looking for, people pursuing what they wanted to do even - no, especially in the face of failure and ignominy.
Anyone can say they really love to make music and perform if it looks like a fat load of money and views would be on the table, but few would have had the stamp of authenticity these two's histories had.

>>10756793
>le American has spoken

>>10781504
I've been drawing on and off for 5 years. I'm still garbage because I never really cared enough to git gud. But if I got hired I'd easily be able to put down "I've been working super duper hard at art for a decade!" And nobody could say I'm wrong.
That's essentially what mori and Kiara are. They had a half assed side gig they sorta had interest on. And they still suck at it.

>>10757306
I’m betting on 3 years screenshot this.

>>10758346
When is fear gonna happen what does fear for Vtubing look like?

>>10758945
>above Kiara
>Kiara
Who?

>>10782914
Well, they could say you're wrong if they ask to look at your portfolio and you have maybe fifty pieces of work with no internet presence. Both of them, on the other hand, left doxxtrails a mile wide of their past stuff because there was so much of it.
The point is that they demonstrated long-term interest and putting work into aspects relevant to hololive before Cover even existed. There is a good market for subpar dancing and singing with good marketing and branding. There is no good market for subpar drawing by itself. Not that it wouldn't be a plus factor as a side aspect.
You say it's half-assed - maybe in results, but the quality of the results is far less relevant than the quantity and the duration of it, signalling that it was not just a fad or something they gave up on when they found out it wasn't all it was cracked up to be. They still moved to Japan and worked crap jobs to sustain those gigs.
You seem to be under the illusion that ability is very important to Cover in choosing talent. You forget that the primary goal is success of the company, and high skill does not necessarily serve that goal. It is likely more of a detriment the better you get - if you were really so good at something, what stops people from poaching you away from the company once they've given you publicity? Unless they find another lever to use to keep such people, they won't hire them.
What they want more is stability, no doubt buoyed by the traditional Japanese company loyalty mentality.
Besides, do you think Cover really wants all of their talent to be high-skilled performers off the bat even if they could get them? How would they sell the 'watch your oshi grow' experience if they're all already good?

>>10760776
>little to no support
I wonder what’s Hololives excuse for this then since they have even less and their “support” is still shit.

>>10761594
Kizuna AI started the Vtuber idol thing so that’s what it is. I’m sure half of them don’t even know why it’s called graduation.

>>10761223
>A lot of vtweeters quit as well.
Thank fucking god

>>10766774
Mel barely streams she’s on her other channel more.

>>10756643
A lot of these people were fairweather friends with the whole idea in the first place hoping it could be an easy money thing.

After not getting into HoloEN2 or any of the NijiEN waves, they might figure the ship has sailed for the foreseeable future for being set off this as a job, and don't have the time IRL to keep putting a bunch of effort into vtubing vs whatever else - studies, their actual jobs, social life etc.

Basically you could say the fakes and ethots are getting filtered out - over time, if it's seen as a dead trend then you'll have a lot more of the actually-weird girls remaining, ones who authentically love Japanese culture/vtubing as a hobby will remain as time goes on. I don't see that as a bad thing and would rather have actually passionate geeky girls who really are and understand us aspiring to be the next Holos and Nijis vs golddigger who never cared about anything other than this being easy money.

>>10771217
> blaming kfps again
Why are takos like this?

>>10768998
90% of them would be
Ame would be a nobody she’d probably be a vWhore.
Gura would still be making zoomed content with barely any stream views.
Calli would be making better music.
Kiara would be crying in Japan rn complaining about not being popular.
Ina would be drawing shit staying in her room.
That’s like 3 who would be nobodies no body cares about the actual artist when it comes to art they only care about what they draw.

>>10762497
even nicheing 50 feels excessive, unless they are mastermind calculating maximum time coverage with an expected stream time of 4 hours per streamer, 6 timeslots a day would bring it to 8-10 streamers per time slot

I mean, this is nothing like February, when over 60 vtubers quit or graduated.

But it does coincidentally coincide with the start of the school/collage semester for a lot of countries.
They might be trying new things, or dedicating themselves to a career.

>>10774426
Chuuba battle royal

All the bandwagon trash finally realized they have no chance to make it into a corpo so they're hopping off.

>>10759127
>2050 you'll see vtuber politicians.
cant we just skip here?

people jumped on they hololive hype and now realize they dont just become rich overnight

>>10756643
>>10768583
/thread

>>10784122
and geeky boys, too

>>10783946
Saying that corpos don't support their talent is turning into a tradition. I'm even seeing it for the startups.

>>10758346
First selloff

>>10756643
September/October is the season for back to school in America and Europe, and for starting new jobs. The burnouts will go but the casual chuubas streaming for fun will still be around

>>10758346
>>10758414
It's not going to hit the peak until you see something like the mainstream show "the masked singer" replacing the masks with Augmented Reality vtuber motion capture

>>10769054
Not the best metric but another sign that overseas interest in vtubing (and Hololive in particular) is fading, the activity on their subreddit has been shriveling up over the past year.

>>10789752
Metric is kinda skewed, because why would I comment there when shit is so heavily curated? It's good for art and news, but actual discussion gets quashed by downvotes if its critical and if it's too harsh it gets moderated.

>>10790509
If its any consolation, while the same data site doesn't have a Post Ranking value/graph; the trend of Posts over the past year does roughly match the trend of Comments too.

Even art and news submissions are declining, alongside discussion.

>>10790760
That's fair, something to consider is that the level of growth and activity was a bit silly, and slowing down to a more moderate level isn't the worst thing considering that more people are no longer in partial lockdown or any lockdowns at all, especially in the states (who are the biggest part of Reddit).

>>10760379
>over Flu +
Enjoy your high probability of some form of permanent organ damage and a very high likely probability of losing your sense of taste and smell for an extended undetermined period of time, anon.

>>10789752
The subreddit took a huge drop after Coco left and Haachama went on hiatus.

A busy day now is 6.5k active users
When, in 2020, the lowest it had gotten was 7k when Coco and Haachama were on hiatus.

>>10789752
A lot of that activity was likely people spamming shitty memes for coco to review

>>10756643
a year after the holo EN boom the bubble has finally popped and it's obvious that if you don't have an established base by this point the money just isn't gonna be there

>>10756643
Lockdowns and plague slowly coming to an end meaning lower viewership/money for the ones who bandwagoned. But most are going into bigger companies. Remember, they graduate well ahead of time to give them time to not only pass auditions, but for the rehearsals after passing for their debut later. Graduation in the indie scene is retard unless they know they're needing to move their fanbases over. The timing of all the graduations (Oct 11-27th) lines up with Niji EN Wave 3 in particular, along with a few other companies debuting new talents over the next 2 months.

>>10759213
>by then I will have my AR dream waifu
If what happened to AI Dungeon is any indication, there'll be filters put in place by whatever corporation you got your AR program from (or whatever corporation they got their framework from) that will prevent you from doing anything like making a "dream waifu".

>>10776565
....what the fuck?? That's really impressive, especially considering the fact that you know she made enough money to not need to do that

>>10761594
>Why do they RP and use the term graduating. Theyre not pretending to be Idols so what's the point.
Nijisanji has used the term before Hololive made it popular.

>>10756643
>Is there mass burnout in the indie scene?
yes

>>10760701
Unfortunately you need to be a psychopath and use others to gain power within the company while you destroy every project you touch but manage to put the blame on someone else as you keep getting promoted.

>>10794953
Anycolor is an actual company
Cover is an actual company
>Indie using Graduation
This is why it makes no sense.

>>10761165
>Australia is trying to go full authoritarian right now,
Australia has always been UK but worse, what the fuck is this idiocy where people assume the current bullshit isn't the norm?
Not even a coping Aussie, but I actually care about the world outside my own three walls + America and this is really not abnormal at all.
>>10756643
>and I don’t think there is enough slots in the companies who held auditions (Niji, PRISM, Cyber, etc.) to account for them all…
Not all, but WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more than you think.
It's stabilized from a hype into a trend, which means a significant thirst for established talent.

>>10756793
Americans ladies and gentleman

>>10756793
You will literally get murdered by the Australian government if you refuse to take the vaccine and have the audacity to step out.

Kek I wonder how many people this exact line of events applies to:

>Start vtubing career on Twitter
>Debut after like a month of hype
>Do 5 - 10 streams MAX, maybe a single collab
>Immediately jump onto auditions for a branch of your choosing
>Don't get in
>Stop streaming altogether, "graduate" when you were never accepted in the first place

It's all so tiresome. I hope there's someone like Raocow or Newfie Bangaa in the vtuber world, who will continue to do their thing unabated well after the scene has all but totally dried up.

>>10782914
>But if I got hired I'd easily be able to put down "I've been working super duper hard at art for a decade!" And nobody could say I'm wrong.
now THIS is vtweeter tier delusional cope. yeah, something you've barely touched on an off will suddenly become a 4x a week regular thing just because a corpo invited you. you don't even have the work ethic set up for that even if you wanted it.

>>10787968
>It's not going to hit the peak until you see something like the mainstream show "the masked singer" replacing the masks with Augmented Reality vtuber motion capture
you mean like this from Fox? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmX6wHfibV0

>>10797872
It's funny because right after auditions close is when you should see those who are really interested in vtubing for its own sake go full throttle. Now you know whatever you invest in it, model, rigging, stream assets - everything will be relevant for half to a full year. Instead these people show their true colors and just stop doing what they pretend to enjoy because they thought viewers might have thrown money at them.

>>10776154
based

>>10789752
there's only so much of the same shitty memes Holofags spam before everyone gets sick of it. How many RUSHIA FLAT jokes are there or PINEAPPLE ON PIZZA?

>>10759966
Ahem

>>10756643
Most of them are kind of retarded. A few hundred regular viewers is enough to make a living on, but they see the very few, very top, streamers with thousands and tens of thousands of viewers and think that jumping companies will provide that. For those with burnout, or less time they don't consider the option of just streaming once a week for extra income.

Literal whos with less than 10 viewers are gonna ride the sadge wave with donations from people who watched them at debut then ignored them after.

>>10804083
>For those with burnout, or less time they don't consider the option of just streaming once a week for extra income.
t. someone who has never streamed to even 50 people, let alone "few hundred"
successful content creation isn't the same as some kid just flipping OBS on and going live once a week. the good content creators that break 20 viewers are those that actually put hours of prep work in before and after each stream, putting in networking reps and content development reps off stream. just going live is not enough to make it. and any chuuba with 50+ concurrent viewers will lose them all if viewers notice the qualities of streams dropping.

>>10804354
Not like Io ever had high quality streams. She was one of the atelier live ones and they all dropped off within a few months

>>10759769
Sony couldn't handle 2 vtubers, much less 50.

>>10761078
Literally nobody important. This thread is fucking retarded.

>>10804473
Ina is lucky she got into Hololive, she doesnt even try or bother in her streams. She's just great at art and telling people to do their reps but as a streamer she never does anything better than any other streamer beyond "comfy" and "quiet" which just about any other vtuber can do.
All her Atelier live friends have quit for good reason.

>>10804825
>beyond "comfy" and "quiet" which just about any other vtuber can do.
which is why all the comfy and quiet vtubers are doing well in terms of numbers and not floundering at sub 20 concurrent viewers

>>10756793
..anon?

>>10756693
That's not how that works, anon.

>>10799590
......yes.

>>10756643
>>10756746
this. Indies can't get enough money to care anymore about vtubing. the indie scene is oversaturated with not enough viewers to saviorfag them. Therefore, some of them must quit.

>>10791216
5-50% of influenza infections in adults result in pneumonia, depending on the strain. The flu kicked my 25-year-old ass in 2018 and it took me weeks to clear out the post-viral fatigue and one lobe pneumonia but because I didn't need to be hospitalized, my case as classified as "mild". The only reason the flu is mocked by burgers is because it costs us hundreds of dollars to get a test and people assume a bad rhinovirus infection is the flu.

>>10789752
Hololive subreddit is dying because of moderation and the community being shit. Where do you think those people are going? Here.
Just look at the growth of /vt/ + /jp/. 70K posts per day now, 50K posts after EN1 debut, 25K posts during summer 2020.

>>10804473
not high quality? She has a great voice and built a fucking RPG battle system to fight against her chat as a boss monster

>>10811437
If you think covid is just a flu just because of the death rates meanwhile is has an entire list of side effects that may or may not be permanent and you have a good chance of getting one and unknown long-term side effects like making people sterile. I'm sorry, but you're a retard who is just deluding himself with tribal party politics instead of looking at reality.

>>10756643
things can be complicated