/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>44,937: Pekora (Hololive)
>33,038: Subaru (Hololive)
>28,065: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>26,237: Gura (Hololive)
>21,741: Suisei (Hololive)
>21,609: Fubuki (Hololive)
>19,385: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>19,318: Noel (Hololive)
>17,450: Kronii (Hololive)
>17,006: Shibuya Hal (Indie)
>16,954: Reid (Indie)
>15,755: Miko (Hololive)
>14,877: Botan (Hololive)
>13,359: Mumei (Hololive)
>11,541: Kanata (Hololive)
>10,901: Rushia (Hololive)
>10,600: Mio (Hololive)
>10,321: Kanae (Nijisanji)

>>10954982
>>10954912
WHY THE SHIT ARE THERE ALWAYS TWO FUCKING THREADS

>>10955031
The other one was clearly made way later (two full minutes later) and the OP is likely bait

It still amazes me that Gura is gettibg around 10-20k subs per week. That number is what a normal youtuber would get in a single month, let alone a vtuber. How does she do it?

In any moment, I feel like I really want to make an SC comparison between NijiEN and HoloEN maybe council so that I could counter baits. How the fuck are people saying NijiEN is earning a lot when there's EN Holos who earn around $500-3000 per stream.

But doing that also opens up streamlabs which I can't counter.

>>10955274
Just do it anyways and tell the streamlabs retards to put up numbers or shut up

* State of the tutorial battle *

>Clockgirl has long cleared the final tutorial boss and even won her first PvP already
>OwlGirl is not that far from having her first PvP as well
>GreenLamy and RatGirl as well just lately cleared the tutorial

Then there is Sana
>cleared the last of the trash mobs and is facing the secret boss

Clockgirl growth around 25k / week is impressive this far away from debut. Second only to Gura and, momentarily, ahead of Gura on the Last 30 days (112k vs. 110k)

>>10955439
Sana intentionally sabatoges herself on a level I can barely believe Cover tolerates. But she has a core fanbase and over course art both as an alternate job and something she can contribute to Hololive that’s worth quite a bit.

>>10955274
>streamlabs
People are fucking lazy. If there is a button in front of them that said "Send Superchat" why would they press the link to go to another website for the same purpose?

>>10955439
Pretty impressive that Holofags can eat up even the most talentless vtubers.

>>10955736
>talent
You can't possibly quantify that in numbers, that alone would make this hard to pass for this thread.

Out of curiosity, who do you think is a "talented" vtuber and what makes it so?

>>10954978
I love watching Nijisanji clips and thought they've about 200 active chuubas working there but where's the variety? Are they contractually obligated to stream only Apex now?

>>10955811
>but where's the variety
You more likely than not is not watching them then, or looking hard enough.

Of course their heaviest hitters will be streaming what bring them numbers (APEX, Ark) but if you are looking for variety there are dozens of streamers doing something different that could catch your attention if you gave them a chance.

If you really want to watch something else there is no shortage but big streamers will do what makes them big, and these days for NIji that's APEX and ARK

>Big Tourney
>Two days in a row
>Couldn't break 30k
What went wrong?
I thought he just couldn't break 30k in non-tourney APEX streams but turns out he can't even break 30k in a fucking tourney???

me when i post my shitty bait another time because no one gave a shit the first time

>>10955031
The other thread is full of bait

>>10956887
Starting with the choice of OP pic and OP samefagging as one of the ones "explaining the joke"

>>10956765
Tourney king...
The tourney buff... is fading away...

>>10956887
So is this thread

>>10957085
I hope so but look like he's Samefaging

>>10955439
That visit to the JP server was really worth for them

>>10955274
do nijiEN girls make more from streamlabs donos than they do from supas?

WHO WOULD WIN THIS KARAOKE BATTLE TO THE DEATH?

>The God of Hololive, the pride of the first generation, "Ore ga Hololive da" backed by a hundred hours of voice training and acting lessons
>Haachama mashing her hands in the keyboard and doing a wonky as fuck karaoke that not even the most seasoned Haaton could figure out at first

THE ANSWER WILL CONFBABUBABABrbrbRbbbfsjrjkz#$%&'()r31qy7

>>10957203
>Sana only got 1k

>>10957396
>Be Sana
>Got along well with Pekora
>Japs were about to sub her
>Saw her skin color again
>Leave

>>10957445
She would get 100 times the attention and subscriptions and views if she declared herself EXPLICITLY as a Kuro Gyaru and took the accent and the mannerisms.

That Holoscope stuff is right on their league, all she needs is to own up to it

Reading NijiEN3 thread was a fucking mistake.

>>10957214
What do you think anon?

>>10957684
Which one? There's like four of them up on the catalogue right now

>>10957684
Was pretty funny to read last night.
NijiEN3 still gaining 300-400 an hour.
If I recall it’s the same rate Wave 1 and 2 had.

>>10957684
This got reseted for some reason a week ago I think. It's only showing what they got in a single week.

>>10957275
Indeed took me a while to figure out what the fuck she was doing at first.

>>10957684
Hey, at least we got this

>>10957952
Graph anon...your graphs, what had it become.

Obsydia got more than Lazulight.

>>10957714
All of them are basically bait thread and shitflinging tribalist. Not even NijiEN general safe from that.

>>10956765
Finals are on the 9th. Today isn't the big day.

>>10957827
It took HER a while to figure out what she was going to do, she clearly didn't have a plan and was running the clock in the beginning

>>10957952
TOP KEK

Combined. Use it whenever people are crying about streamlabs if you want.
>>10957822
The all time tab is empty so yeah there is no way to know how much they actually earned from streamlabs.

>>10957952
Hahaha good shit

Good scheduling, nicely spread out.

>>10958019
isn't that day Gura and Shion(after recovering from her kitty) MC collab?

>>10958183
It reset at the end of the month i think. However, the girls said they don't make much money from streamlabs

>>10958523
I don't think people who watch vampire play Apex badly overlap with people who watch lolis play Minecraft badly.

>>10958599
Well yeah >>10955683
Streamlabs are mainly for people who can't use Youtube superchat for some reason.

>>10958651
People who watch Tokyo ghoul play apex probably have 0 overlap with a loli shark playing block game.

>>10958655
Or people who aren't fucking stupid and want to send the money directly to the person instead of giving youtube 30%.

>>10957952
> holo numbers are above nijifags head
> can only think about niji midget numbers
good shit.

>>10958725
Most superchats are sent on an impulse.
Streamlabs requires a couple extra click and that much is enough to drastically reduce donations.

The king eats well. The prince gets his fill.
>the plebs get scraps
Such is life at the King’s kingdom

>>10958778
Those "midget numbers" look pretty stable imo. Why is holoshit literally plummeting with no signs of recover in comparison? Look at all those dead cat bounces. The holobubble is clearly about to burst.

>>10959272
>proudly displaying a chart showing his favorite company being mogged for 20 consecutive months
This thread wouldn’t be complete without the “slow and steady” nijicope

>>10959272
>Nijisanji still couldn't overtake holo despite Koshien and Apex numbers
>Nijisanji decline exposed without those two

>>10959400
Enjoy it while you can holobro. It's a matter of time until it drops even more. People are clearly getting bored of holoshit while Niji is holding their audience just fine.

>>10959567
>TWO MORE WEEKS TO FLATTEN THE CURVE
the post

>44,937: Pekora (Hololive)
>33,038: Subaru (Hololive)
>28,065: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
Imagine getting mogged by a fucking rabbit and duck >>10954978

>>10955617
>Sana intentionally sabotages herself on a level I can barely believe Cover tolerates.
Well said

>>10959638
Truth be told, the energy of those too is pretty much pix related

>>10959545
I think that chart only takes median into account which would exclude those numbers anyway, unless they were the only thing the streamer in question streamed that month.

>>10959706
what?? weren't a bunch of the niji chuubas mega buffed from having a ton of those koshien practices or something?

>>10959706
>I think that chart only takes median
Nope. Mean average of peaks.

>>10959811
For Holo, the 2nd dip lines up with December update, 3rd dip I think is the month Hololive had no events, 4th dip is Coco leaving.

>>10954978
>Only 3 Niji streams exceeded 10k yesterday and 2 were Kuzuha streams
Jeezzz

Who reaches 200M VOD faster? (start from debut)

>>10960221
Pegor, about 6 months ago.

Itunes WW ranking
Suisei - Rank 51
She went up by 6 spots in rank

>>10960452
https://twitter.com/holo_analyticsV/status/1406742992895963140
2021-6-21 7:37 JST

>>10960857
Pekora 200M VOD milestone: 705 days
2019-7-17(debut stream) ~ 2021-6-21

>>10960857
Just made an educated guess.

>>10954978
>>10960103
>not a single niji girl
Did they even have a girl above 10K today?

>>10960929
100M views is usually worth between $300,000-500,000 plus a multiple for premium that is watch time dependent (ie opposite of usual meta of short videos getting more views, long videos make more premium). That multiple can be less than one to x3-4 for “long” streams like play throughs. I can’t imagine what 8-12 hour streams like Kiara Cranks out generates. Just ballpark figures to get people thinking

is nijiEN using ads to boost wave 3? I'm on premium

>>10961642
Yes they are.
We can assume they will boost the new song to 1m views as well.

Anytone else excited
https://twitter.com/StreamHatchet/status/1445791769870831616

>>10954978
So, at peak, during Pekora and Subaru's prank shenanigans,
between them, Fubuki, Suisei, Noel, Sora and a few others, like Rushia reading SC, and Towa Apex,
there were 140k concurrent live viewers for Hololive streams.
Really impressive for a bunch of accidental collabs and a hair reveal.

>>10962158
Sadly, predicting Pekora 2nd place again for female and 2nd for Vtubers too
amorand:
>12,165,982 watched hours for last 3 months
https://twitchtracker.com/amouranth

>>10954978
subaru's doing great with her rare minecraft streams iirc she got 30k+ the last time too just running around the jp server

>>10962256
damn. pekora was 3rd last two quarters though

>>10962256
Miko will be 5th

>>10961642
Not yet, song isn't out

>>10962179
that's about right

>>10962179
that's about right

>>10962487
Isn't she tied with Pokimane in 2nd place?

>>10963230

>>10963284
Ohh right, thanks.

>>10961167
Pikamee once said the average viewtime for her videos are 10 minutes. I don't know if we can use that to measure all vtubers to ballpark it.

So what are the odds of Kronii and Mumei reaching 500k or higher subs by the end of October

Lowest HoloEN
Highest NijiEN

>>10963679
Kronii yes, Mumei no

>>10963679
very high for kronii, very low for mumei

Sub Update for Ethyria (18 Hours since announcement):
>Millie Parfait 12.8K
>Nina Kosaka 12.7K
>Reimu Endou 12.2K
>Enna Aloutee 11.9K

For Reference this are Obsydia's numbers:
after 24hr
>Rosemi 16k
>Selen 16k
>Petra18k

After 48hr
>Rosemi: 20k
>Selen: 20k
>Petra: 23k

And this are Lazulights:
24hr Numbers
>Elira: 14.6k
>Pomu: 13.5k
>Finana: 13.4k

48hr Numbers
>Elira: 9.78k (Susan'd)
>Pomu: 8.66k (Susan'd)
>Finana: 16.7k

Things to consider still:
None of them have been Susan'd yet.
At this rate they'll just about match Lazulights 24 hour numbers but i'm not fully confident that they beat Elira's numbers either

Overall, this is kind of a dissapointing showing. None of them will probably get past the tutorial boss pre-debut.

>>10963851
I know this is just for fun and to gauge pre-debut hype, but these pre-debut numbers mean very little in the long run so I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from them.
For all we know, any of them can have a debut go viral and beat Petra's NijiEN record to 100k.

Where's the inafag that keeps on preaching that Ina isnt declining with Myth huh? Nice CCV right now bro

>>10963984
I get where you're coming from and honestly this is just a fun numbers exercise. But the chances of one of them blowing up ala Gura or Mori without the help of the Hololive brand, Clippers, fanbase and assuming that /vt/ predicted who they are correctly, is pretty low. The perfect storm that was HoloMyth's debut probably isn't happening anytime soon.

>>10964057
>newfag thinks 8.3k for GGS is somehow bad
>doesn't shitpost with Ina's 5k Bastion stream last week instead
Go back to where you came from, faggot

>>10959272
I decided to calculate some things, for pleasurer. I'm not trying to make any points.

Nijisanji JP loses 0.00482464279% of their average viewers a month
Hololive JP loses 0.00969986645%

Hololives rate of lose is twice as high as Nijisanjis. By my math it will take about 7 and a half years for NijiJP to overtake HoloJP if current trends continue. The would settle at 3090 average viewers.

>>10964151
True, but this is a pretty stacked gen when it comes to singing and music, so there is the possibility of one of them blowing up during their debuts if they do a good singing performance like Gura's "Ride on time".
Ofc that was only a springboard for Gura, but it is possible for one of the NijiEN3s to replicate it to a smaller effect.

Altho if there's one thing that Hololive and Nijisanji have shown, its that singing ability is overrated when it comes to numbers, especially for non-singing streams.
You have some that get significant boosts from it (Gura, Suisei, Moona...etc), but many good nijisingers get low CCVs for singing and really low if they do anything else.

>>10961642
im just not seeing the growt
the trailer is at 180k
obsidian trailr had 250k by 24 hrs.
the girls alos need another5k subs JUST to match obsidian

>>10963984
it wont affect the talents individually but shows what most poeple have said, nijien isnt geenrating enough buzz or hasnt grow enough to handle another wave.

>>10963733
oh sana already went over elyra.
That minecraft boost is really someting..

>>10964590
Niji doesn't lose anything. Their recent averages are on par with their 2019 and 2020 averages when they were already big. Only ones that reclined were the females, but that's mostly because of graduations and the top ones not streaming very frequently. Hololive had unsustainable explosive bubble growth in comparison and is collapsing before our very eyes.

>>10964625
The thing is, at least to me anyways, it seems like EVERY vtuber is a singer now.
Difference with Hololive being you have a huge fanbase and box pushing that gives them a spotlight. I think you see the effect of the lack of box pushing in Chima's case for Nijisanji.
There's also the thing of making original songs. If speculation is right, one of the NijiEN should be coming out with a cover on or near debut that they were working on as an indie.
That's fine and all but unless you can "own" the song like Towa did with ERROR, it will just be another cover.

>>10965123
an you can bet your ass is gonna be a jp cover.

>>10963851
>Overall, this is kind of a dissapointing showing
It’s actually not. It’s an expected showing. They have to first prove themselves before they can generate more hype. The real result will be when people check out their debut. If someone is really good, it will make a bigger impact. I’m saying if they want to grow they actually need to be good, and that remains to be seen.

>>10964625
Calling this a stacked Gen isn't exactly correct anon. Assuming we got everyone of them right, that only confirms what we've already known. Niji is only hiring the top subscribed 2views. And the problem with that is that some of the top 2views (Lyrica) only got there due to being twittards who like networking or "nepotism" depending on who you ask and tend to copy the VShoujo model of spouting as many peepeepoopoo jokes that they can like what Millie is doing right now. That's the reason why I've always said that looking for talent outside the current EN crop is better

>>10965320
>They have to first prove themselves before they can generate more hype
debuts are a different matter this is about how much growth nijiEN has had to generate interest on their own fanase and outsiders to check these girls. it doesnt matter how good they are if there is less people there to watch them

>>10965487
>pretty stacked gen when it comes to singing and music
I'm just saying they're all either pretty successful cover artists or impressive karaoke singers in their past lives.
And in Lyrica's case, she would've been in HoloID3 if she spoke ID. Moona tried hard to poach her.

>>10965612
>it doesnt matter how good they are if there is less people there to watch them
It does actually. I’m pointing to the impact of streamers like Selen, who had to be seen sure, but to keep people and especially if they want to actually grow, they need to be especially good; need to be even better than Selen. My point is that they will at least be watched out of curiosity by a decent number, while the rest is up to performance. First impressions matter too, as some will never go back if they didn’t like it at first.

>>10965320
You serious, anon? I would've assumed that, at least, a slight uptick of pre-debut numbers would be the mininum that they would expect. No one from Niji EN wave 1 or 2 was such an outlier like Gura or Mori that you could just excuse them and say that there was no chance this upcoming wave was going to beat them in pre-debut subs. Is Anykara just gonna turn NijiEN into NijiID lite were every subsequent wave just gets smaller and smaller until there no better than 2views?

>>10965036
>Hololive had unsustainable explosive bubble growth

>>10965036
You're trying to derive a trend from one horrific month and one excellent month. Do you even know how to do statistics? Their coefficients of variation are pretty close(0.098 vs 0.087). Their relative standard deviations are quite close (9.86% vs 8.68%). The ranges on both sets of data are proportional when you count from the start of 2021. There is more stability with NijiJP but you're overstating it significantly. Hololive's growth is unsustainable but they are regressing to a mean. There has been regression on NijiJPs part even if it hasn't been as steep.
> Their recent averages are on par with their 2019 and 2020 averages
That isn't numbers, that is you eyeballing the numbers, the calculations tell a story of regression in 2021.

>>10965684
Anon, Lyrica's a flip, there's absolutely no way she was getting into an ID branch (Holo or Niji). That's the equivalent of calling a spic a nigger because they don't have white skin.

>>10965838
>I would've assumed that, at least, a slight uptick of pre-debut numbers would be the mininum that they would expect
I was actually not expecting that at all for HoloEN Gen2. I was giving far more weight to the debut day for Gen2, as a means of retaining the people checking them out.

>>10965123
>This is me when I learned new financial market terms

>>10965846
>>10965941
Seethe

>>10965036
Cope
>>10965819
Selen? She's only getting attention recently because Kuzuha is on the tourney she aprticipated. Pomu and Elira had much more impact than her, Selen is to overrated.

I thought people here only biting a bait only during JST primetime?

>>10965982
>Selen
Yes? Did you read my post completely? I said they: “need to be even better than Selen” to have an impact. They need one to stand out more. Also Selen did have a good enough impact to pass others, but it’s not good enough to compete with HoloEN. The need someone better.

>>10966021
I mean, aside from that one retard who failed analytics, I think most of the discussion has been very civil. In fact, I'm kinda surprised that /#/ has been peaceful overall despite Wave 3's announcement.

>>10965976
That isn't analysis, that is comparing shapes. The mechanics aren't the same. The second peaks are from investors trying to take advantage of recent lower prices, not people watching adults pretending to be anime characters.

>>10965846
Ya it's funny bait, but the funniest part about using Niji to call Hololive's growth too explosive and unsustainable is that Kuzuha has had a more explosive incline himself than any HoloJP in the past year.

Pekora, Marine, Aqua were already really popular in mid-2020 (this was pre-CCV change), whereas Kuzuha was like 16-18k CCV.
Just looking >>10910312, he went from 16k monthly median in Sept 2020 to 27k monthly median in Sept 2021.
Suisei, Miko, and Subaru have all inclined heavily in a year too, but not at this level.

>>10966139
Dedicated wave 3 threads have sucked up all that bullshit.

>>10966136
Not the same, Anon. But I do agree that Selen has been the most impactful of all the NijiEN's. The problem though is her impact comes from playing and being good at APEX which is not exactly popular in the West. I think a chart anon here extracted Selen's numbers and he basically that Selen median views for solely her apex streams was around 4k+ compared to her overall median of 2k+. Trying to find someone better than Selen isn't hard. Finding someone better than "Selen forma de APEX" is the problem.

>>10965982
>She's only getting attention recently because Kuzuha is on the tourney she aprticipated.
At least pretend you know what you're talking about.
Selen has never played with Kuzuha and the tournament she was in had nothing to do with him.

>>10963601
Coco said hers was 2 minutes soo, depends on the streamer.
Coco might have been getting way more people coming in from clips just to give a like or watch a timestamp.

>>10966136
>>10966417
Always comparing it with HoloEN (or even VShojo) will always make them look like failures. If you really want to see their growth, stop always doing comparisons

>>10966417
>I do agree that Selen has been the most impactful of all the NijiEN's
Right, and I’m saying they need someone who can make more of an impact to compete with HoloEN.
>The problem though is her impact comes from playing and being good at APEX which is not exactly popular in the West
Well both yes and no. What I mean is that some Westerners like the idea of a decent gamer VTuber, then combined with her laughter bringing up the mood, works for a decent number of Westerners for entertainment value. Although entertainment is subjective, I can actually see how Selen stands out a bit compared to the others even for a Western audience. The problem is she doesn’t go far enough, and someone better is the big ticket for NijiEN.

>>10966731
>Stop comparing them to their competitor that does the exact same thing they do
No. They are failures.

>>10966731
>entered number thread
>don't want to see comparison between company
>cry about it

>>10966417
If you look at NijiEN's medians, Selen's 2k non-Apex median is still higher than everyone else's.
She also keeps around 800-1100 people when doing SC readings at the end of streams, which is more than Petra and Rosemi's peaks sometimes.
It's harder than you think for NijiEN to find chuubas with more appeal than Selen.
If this music-centric wave 3 doesn't mess up from the start, they can maybe get 4k+ karaoke streams (Elira currently has the best ones at ~3.5k), but that's probably the closest they'll get to Apex Selen.

>>10966731
We're not though. We're comparing their numbers to Obsydia where they are currently lagging behind. Obsydia's uptick in pre-debut numbers compared to Lazulight showed that there was an actual incline in interest for NijiEN. And with Selen being the top of NijiEN in terms of CCV, I think most anons here expected Wave 3 to match or at least have better pre-debut numbers than Wave 2. The fact that they're barely getting more subs than Lazulight at least shows the possibility of NijiEN's audience having a soft cap which is not exactly a good thing.

>>10966817
>>10966879
NTA but comparing NijiEN with HoloEN is like comparing a college basketball team to an NBA team.
They're not even in the same league or level so what's the point?
Apart from making fun of midgets I guess.

>>10967006
>Selen's 2k non-Apex median
No anon. 2k is basically her median WITH APEX (unless I'm misremembering). She'd be on par with the rest of NijiEN CCV-wise without it. Also, like another anon here said, there's too many music centric chuubas out there already. They have to be more than just that to be better than Selen

>>10967020
>I think most anons here expected Wave 3 to match or at least have better pre-debut numbers than Wave 2.
I didn’t. The reasoning is because they haven’t made the impact they need to show that kind of real growth. What I’m saying is that Niji is really depending on what comes after, rather than relying on what was before this new wave. They still need to make it.

>The year is 2061, and Hololive posts the 500th month of CCV ahead of Nijisanji
>The world has changed considerably and Hololive based religions long displaced Abrahamic faiths as the main religions in the world
>The Unified Church of Peko and the Apostolic Cult of Miko are the predominant religions with about 10 billion followers each, while the Originalist Cult of Sora, with only 2 billions, comes as a late third
>Meanwhile NijiGirls post a 3500 CCV avg, 300 points above their previous month average, and nijiBlokes, 9900 CCV average, still short of the mythical 10k average they still never reached
>NijiEN (EN which now stands for ENguruchinindonesian) just debut their 395th generation, each of the previous one failing to break 3k month avg CCV

>the war between the Peko and Miko camps go for 20 years already after the “Great Schism”
>Pekora online Minecraft sermons are viewed by more than 300M people while Miko in person services have the same attendance as the (now defunct) Muslim Hajj, the pilgrimage to Mecca
>The big Hololive religious holidays can have an online audience of almost 1 billion CCV (which Risu still overlaps to play Ender Lillies to an audience of high three digits)
>Kuzuha got a small cult for himself and still plays APEX for an audience of high 30k, while risking prison for illegally boosting Kanae to 10k by appearing on his stream 30 minutes before starting his frame

>The Peko-Miko war comes to a standstill, with both sides reaching a truce on Marine’s 17th birthday to deal with a major threat: the rise of the Cult of Godchama, a small cult of heretic Haatons that refuse to recognize either religion and commit acts of terrorism like arson, vandalism and donating Haachama hand cooked food to unsuspecting victims
>After getting their hands on the ultimate weapon of mass destruction Haatons, goaded by Haachama in her final broadcast, detonate it without even making any demand.
>Mankind is instantly vaporized while all technology is spared due to the selective effect of the weapon

>In the month after the final yabe, a final automated chart is posted
> Hololive avg peak CCV: 0
> Nijisanji avg peak CCV: 5200 (+400 from last month)

> After all humanity was wiped off, anon “explosive bubble growth” prediction was finally vindicated!

>Anykara still had a month ahead in payment for their bots, which continued working even without human intervention or even human life. Nijisanji finally caught up to Hololive, as the “slow and steady” anon predicted

>>10966187
That's because Kuzuha's growth was organic.
Hololive's growth is purely based on memes; once the EOPs get bored, we'll see a heavy crash

>>10967275
I agree with that. Ultimately, it's the chuuba who has to make it. Regardless of brand name, if a chuuba just isn't cathing people's attention (Anya) then it doesn't matter how many subs they debut with. All I'm saying though is that NijiEN looks to have a soft cap in terms of audience which means unless they were able hire another Gura, they'll only be able to expand the audience slightly if at all (and that's assuming they all are at least good-to-great tier)

>>10963984
subs within 24 hours is the upper limit of debut audience for Niji EN wave though.
It's pretty concerning when EOPs are not interested to give them subs.

>>10967440
Cope

>>10967554
Did Council or IRyS got any ads before debut? I always use Youtube but haven't seen any ads from Holo or Niji

>muh organic

>>10967440
Sadly I’ve been reading this shit for 1.5 years already.

>>10967719
>or Niji
Prev NijiEN gens has them too

>>10967719
Nope. Despite what anonchama here >>10967440 is saying, Cover has never done Ads for a debuting Gen ever.

>>10967508
Well yes, they need someone to make a really good first impression during the time people are curious enough to check them out (during debut). If someone can impress them early on, then end it with a amazing voice as well, it may be impactful enough. Then if people want to clip her because of funny stuff they see or whatever, and word of mouth spreads, she can become big.

Having said that, it probably won’t happen.

>>10967856
Why don't i get ads like these. I always get fucking Lazada or Shoppee ads. I hate it.
Yeah i'm a SEAnig but i don't trash-talk the chuubas i don't watch.

>>10967872
>Cover has never done Ads for a debuting Gen ever

>>10967959
I think people forget that with Gura, she was already going to be huge before she sang. Her very first tweet went viral instantly. She knew how to meme without being super cringy.
In Mori's case it was her dropping her album after her trainwreck of a debut that made people whiplash and made it all the more impressive (and it was something other than J-Pop).

>>10968236
I mean, you're free to show the class a screenshot, retardchama...

>>10967440
Kuzuha himself said that his success relied on luck.
https://youtu.be/9Fjw6PfshBM
Mind the loud as fuck noises in the beginning idk what's wrong with this clipper.

>>10967373
Nijisanji wins in the end? How do I cope with this Holobros?

>>10968243
The advantage was also that Holo is more know in the West. So even if Niji can get it’s own Gura, although she will definitely be able to compete with Holo EN, but she will be below the Gura of Hololive, even if all things were identical other than companies. Like if Gura first appeared in NijiEN.

The point though, is NijiEN needs someone more impactful than Selen.

>>10968338
I think his point was the cube vid and the other teaser videos on the official HoloEN channel are "ads", which is a whole nother level of retardation.

However, those Watamelon cube edits on this board were better ads than anything Anycolor could pay for.

>>10967967
> monopoly currency
Use US VPN if you want to see it.
Go to hololive live streams.
Refresh every one minute or two to spawn different ads.
Common ads: genshin impact, health care, some small corpo / rich indie chuubas.

I got ads for Suzuka Stella's latest original last month when I watched Kiara talk show.

>>10968243
Exactly. Those 2 debuts in-particular (despite the cringe) should be a required study material for any future EN debuts regardless of affiliation. I just don't understand why there's at least one NijiEn who always tries to do their best VShoujo impression prior to debut. The fact that they're worse than Sana and Chicken in terms of twitter interaction just baffles me.

>>10968466
He means ads when you click a video, like how some people get that dragon knight vtuber as an ad all the time. AFAIK I also got Dprince ads before as well as Nijisanji EN ads. Then there are ads from clippers which idk how that's legal but I've seen Hololive clip ads (as in, not mandated by Cover)

>>10968338
That a screenshot from the pathetic advert stream you fucktard

>>10968627
No, the "cool story bro" message from Kiara was her comment on the cube video.
We're wasting too much time trying to understand how the mind of a retard works.

>>10968600
>I just don't understand why there's at least one NijiEn who always tries to do their best VShoujo impression prior to debut.
You’re confusing person taste with popularity. If they could actually be VShojo, they would be much more popular.

>>10968679
retardchama... like what >>10968466 said, that's not an Ad. That's a teaser trailer that you actively have to click and watch unlike an Ad that autoplays and inflates views. Are you, okay anon? Are you in the spectrum, perhaps?

>no new NijiEN has lost their subs yet
Does this confirms that Cover was using bots? Very shameful of you. hollowlifers. If they bot the subs that much then they definitely bot the views as well. We can't trust any Cover statistics anymore.

>>10968695
But was that cube video placed as an ad before other people's videos? You know, like when you open Youtube on mobile because youre lazy and have to watch life insurance ads?

>>10968733
Maybe I am, but if their goal is to outslut VS than they already failed.

>>10968944
NijiEN growing too slow for anti-bot detection

>>10968944
Don't speak too fast, everyone gets subs slashed due to gaining subs with no videos. This happened to the new wave of Nijisanji KR (they even complained on Twitter about it). If this 3rd wave doesn't hurry up and post some teaser videos, expect sub slashing.
Also Selenposters are the most insufferable out of EN, not even Pomuposters were this obnoxious for so long.

>>10968961
Nope. Honestly, those lore videos were one of the dumbest ideas that HoloEN management has ever had.

>>10969056
>Also Selenposters are the most insufferable out of EN, not even Pomuposters were this obnoxious for so long.
Kek, stay filtered anon. Seethe and dilate as necessary too.

Remember when Vtubing was all about networking and cross company collabs? Remember when Hololived always leeched for Nijisanji collabs? When did all things change? Why does HoloEN and NijiEN do anything its been a year.

>>10968961
The whole point is that they aren't ads and that anon was a retard for thinking that they are.
I'm starting to think you might be one too if you can't see that after reading through the whole exchange.

>>10969174
It was an advert

>>10969117
I watch Selen, I just think her posters are annoying as fuck.

>>10968982
The goal is general (rather than specific) humor, and that likely will be the girls each doing what they personally consider either funny or entertaining. NijiEN is not going to restrain everyone to fit what one person thinks is good, even if that person doesn’t want a single girl to “fall out of line” in order for him to be happy. Then if a clipfag likes one of the girls, they they seem to like Chibidoki, it has worked out.

NijiEN is saying “notice me”, and that will appeal to certain people more than others.

I talked previously about Bouquet's low digital sales and how they sold the same thing to people multiple times.
I found the digital sales for the Bouquet songs separately when sold the week they released.

>>10969383
I actually forgot that they released every song as a single too. It's the same on spotify where the album is basically just a bundled up set of singles.
Nice catch.

>>10959272

Hey Anon, could you explain it to me this graph, I couldn't read the Japanese

>>10970267
If you can't recognize the moon characters on the bottom you need to leave

>>10959272
NijiJP is still nowhere HoloJp.
Plus atleast HoloJp showed a small inclination again while Nijis are continuing to fall.

>>10963984
Yet when Council couldn't reach IRyS pre-debut numbers people where already doomposting.

>>10959272
I'm wondering if normalizing this data will help give people a better perspective on what's going on or if it will be used for shitposting. I normalized some of the data for 2021 but all it showed was Nijisanji and Hololive flying all over the place and the sample size was a really lacking. Also my matlab license has expired and I have to use excel.

>>10969363
>The goal is general (rather than specific) humor, and that likely will be the girls each doing what they personally consider either funny or entertaining.
Than that just tell's me that they did a shitty job at hiring this batch. Yes, I know there are some people who like crass humor, hence why Veibei and Pink Cat are popular. But those people are going to infinitely be less in numbers compared to the general Chuuba audience. It's like appealing to a niche inside a niche. And as I mentioned earlier, hiring someone who is just a discount VS isn't gonna work. Now with all that said, assuming Hana really did make it in then I'll reserve judgement since from what little I've seen of her she looks to be a solid chuuba. As for Lyrica, well, that's a different story. I didn't really like her and all the shenanigans she pulled back in her past life so it's gonna be hard for me to give her a fair shot. Who knows though.

>>10970776
I'm not even sure how you can properly Normalize data for Nijisanji and Hololive. I'm not a statistician but isn't the TLDR of Data Normalization just to try and make two out there values as similar as possible?

>>10971045
I'm not gonna normalize both with the same variables, I'm just saying that graph makes peaks and valleys look very extreme since HoloJP skews the y axis. A gain in 900 views for Nijisanji is big but it doesn't appear big thanks to how much higher the average views are for HoloJP. Normalizing helps me make the data look more consistent for comparing health and growth but as you can see Nijisanji has been a roller coaster this year and Hololive was more consistent until the bottom fell out in August.

I'm actually worried for Hololive since August is when half the cast had anniversaries and birthdays.

>>10971635
>worried
So? They'll just go back to their average.

Updated chart with some extra singles.
Couldn't find most of the singles digital sales data since daily really is purged and weekly required anywhere from 3-6k minimum depending on the week.

>>10971635
September actually showed better numbers tho.

How many hours has it been for wave 3? Anyone closing on ankimo?

>>10971867
They didn't even beat Obsydia 24hr numbers yet.

>>10971867
2 more hours until 24hr mark.

>>10971695
I was expecting a buff month since everyone and their brother had a special event.

>>10971860
It did. Not sure why. October is looking good but it's only been a week.

>>10971867
Not even close. Only two of them (Nina and Millie) have passed Pomu and Finana. they have less <3 hours to to get 1k subs so they can Match Elira's 24hour subcount of 14.6k. They definitely aren't catching Obsydia's 24hour subs of 16-18k. There's a legit chance that Lord Ankimo might still be above them even after a few hours post debut.

>>10971932
>>10971984
I don't think they'll beat Obsydia so how are Lazulight's 24hr subs in comparison?
>>10972094
No idea for Sept, but the MC Server merge only started to affect JP this Oct. (I'm hoping Aqua will begin mc again to revive the dead mel, and increase Lamy/Mio's median)

Alert! Susan cuts have started. All of them just lost 100 subs each.

OH NO NO NO NO HOLOBROS
I thought Kuzuha's new song as a failure???
KING, I KNEEEEEEELLLL

>>10972232
See >>10972162

>>10972303
You're like 2 threads slow to use this bait retard

>>10972303
That reminds me.

Still losing subs. Currently at -200 each

>>10972303
Antchama, we discussed this already. Keep up with the program.

>ITT: replying to "slow and steady" shitposter
I guess we got new people in the threads...

Can Gura hit 30k? There's no other MC streams.

Susan still not done with NijiEN Wave 3, currently at -300 each

>>10972331
Well that is something atleast.
>>10972303
Please just stop dude, a lot of holo songs made impressive achievements that if they started bring those up Kuzuha's song will look even more of a failure.

>>10972476
If Gura can't hit 30k, then Hololive as a whole truly has reclined.
Time to sell my Holocoins, going all in on Nijis

>>10972476
Not a chance unless there's an impromptu collab.

>>10972489
people can finally stop using the "cover is using sub bots!!!1!" narrative
>>10972528
Ironic. Did King even get 30k for his scrims?

So before myth various JPs made at least token efforts to get overseas bros interested notably Korone and Coco. Does niji have any equivalent in their main branch? A top talent who throws English speakers a bone?

>>10972528
Good Riddance

Still losing subs. NijiEN Wave 3 currently at -400

>>10972575
You say that like it was ever said in good faith.
Anyways, I thought Nijisanji learned from Wave 1 when they released pre-debut videos on Wave 2 to minimize the cull.

>>10972575
NijiEN only got slashed 300 subs. Holos got slashed at least 150k subs.
Are you seriously implying that Cover ISN'T sub botting at this point? 300 subs is just a small percentage, 150k subs was almost 50% for your Holowhores

>>10972713
Cope

The bleeding isn't stopping at all. We're at -500 subs

>>10972713
Growth too slow to be even considered sub botting
We've went through this too many times. Companies will never risk sub botting.

>>10972713
Large audience?
Can any Niji debut pull 90k+? Ofcourse not but I'll let you cope and seethe

>>10972733
>>10972820
Stop replying to an obvious bait

>>10972713
NijiEN wave 3 cannot be slashed 150k subs because they would be -137k. Also the faster the growth, the more the punishment.

>>10972820
>Companies will never risk sub botting
Yet we have indisputable proof that Cover does. Stay seething Holofaggots.
I hope one day you learn to stop being blinded by your brand loyalty and see Cover as the black company it truly is

>>10972589
Depends on what you mean by pandering to overseas bros.
English duolingo? One-off things and dropped.
Machine TL on stream? Some of them like Hayama and Yumeoi utilize this. And more but I forgot who. Yumeoi responds to English comments.
Actual speaking English more than once? So far Oliver has done it the most, to the point of collabing with EN twice.
Some animated shorts on Nijisanji jp has ENG subs but thanks to Youtube taking away submitted CC it's been lessened. They reupload their 3D anime on the World channel with ENG subs.
>>10972804
Post some images or something. For instance in the time it took me to type this post this is how much they lost.

>>10972918
>Yet we have indisputable proof that Cover bots
Go to bed Pomu poster.

>>10972918
Keep seething fag
You're the one who is blinded by brand loyalty that you start posting bullshit since your prefered brand is failing to meet your expectations

Can't wait for the inevitable counter shitpost on Youtube culling NijiEN "sub bots".

>>10972528
Even if she would reach that number, some fag will just move the goal post again and again.

>>10972589
There have been a couple of them who have tried to interact with English fans but it’s usually not that much. If we are speaking about top vtubers, then Ars Armal interacted quite a lot with foreign fans during her streams. I remember Hoshikawa has tried to speak English sometimes and paid attention to LazuLight, responding to them in English (she’s a hafu) but somehow it was all forgotten in a few months. Mayuzumi’s English is good and he has taken part in a few international collabs but he doesn’t speak English on his streams.

>>10972935
My bad. Didn't have a screenshot for what their subs pre-cut was so just didn't bother. Bleeding seems to have stopped already though.

Millie was at 13.6k is now 13.1k
Nina was at 13.5k is now at 13k
Reimu and Enna lost 500 too.

Question is whether this is going to be a daily thing like what happened with Council. Cause if it is then shits gonna fuck with our data.

>hololive reclined as a whole

>44,937: Pekora (Hololive)
>33,038: Subaru (Hololive)
>28,065: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>26,237: Gura (Hololive)
>21,741: Suisei (Hololive)
>21,609: Fubuki (Hololive)
>19,385: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>19,318: Noel (Hololive)
>17,450: Kronii (Hololive)

>10th 17,006: Shibuya Hal (Indie)
>11th 16,954: Reid (Indie)
>18th 10,321: Kanae (Nijisanji)

nijisanji management pushing their top dog to stream twice, and get 2 spots for top 10. oof

what kind of coping they doing now, the second member is at 18th, under two indies at that. oof

>>10972905
kek
recovering from -137k would take them months

Looks like the trailer video on youtube is at 269k.
I don't recall what it was before ads, I think thats almost 200k views from ads so far?

>>10972905

Holy Shoot!! you murdered Anon!!

>>10973266
Remember when Holos would get 100k on regular streams?
Now they can't even get at least 50% of that rumao.
Hololive IS reclining faggot

>>10972918

If Cover is using Bots, why didn't they all use bots to all their Chuuba?

>>10973266
>>10973524
Samefag kek

>>10973332
seems the ads finally worked.
Obsidian trailer was 250k after 24hr
however even if we give back the 500 subs los they are still behind obsidian sub count.

>>10973636
That is just the nijicucks coping and seething

another easy 20k+ for Gura

Here's some food for thought.

>>10973945
Nice try faggot. The bar was 30k

>>10974060
Dead Subs? Dead Subs!

>>10973524
Newfag do your number reps.

>>10974060
Kek

>>10973524
Time traveler-chama... you got the years mixed up again. It's only 2021.
Glad to know Hololive is still around in 2025 and they can get 100k on regular streams tho.

>>10974060
So posting short vids pre-debut has nothing to do with Youtube cutting your subs since it happened anyway. So much for that "Nijisanji management figured out how to stop sub cuts!" people were tossing around a couple months back

>>10974060
Embarrassing Performance

>>10973524
No? 100k ccv is still pretty rare doubly so after the algorithm change. Anyone got the list? Most Holos don’t have one solo never mind Nijis

>>10973266
I would expect Pekora pranking people on the EN server to get 70k minimum if this was a few months ago. Truly, it's over for hololive. There's no hope for them anymore.

>>10974071
>Niji reach 2k
Omg so successful, they are in the 1%.
>Holo reach 20k
Kek they are reclining, what a failure.

>>10974060
Okay, dead subs aside, I thought adding videos to your channel prevented you from getting Susan'd by Youtube. The fuck is going on at this point?

CR Cup Scrim ccv

>kuzuha
>Day 3 28k
>Day 4 28k

No 30k for 2 days. Mogged by a duck with 33k, declining for real

>>10974365
The only solution to that is fix Youtube AI it seems.

>>10974314
LMAO, absolute state of nijicucks

>>10974365
>>10974060
is a safe method for new channels
even more so when they ave multiple chnales linked. they lost subs at the same time as holoen did so it is a new automated process that got recently added.
So they will lose a few more tonight and will lose again some more tomorrow.

>>10974497
>Youtube Pajeets actually fixing their code

So it's never getting fixed then

>>10974365
combination of box pushing, ghostsubs, and YT algos being dumb as always.
I did a post back when council just debuted, look it up on the archives if you care enough

>>10971813
Thanks anon, I'll upload the updated version later today. Do you think we should separate singles and albums following the anon's suggestion? I'd also suggest to check more digital albums' sales. Seems like even 300 sales is enough to get into weekly top 20 chart, so we might find a lot of them. I've been wondering what albums could make the cut there... the only recent releases that I could remember were Watame's album, Yumeoi Kakeru's album and Leona's album but maybe other anons can help.

>>10974365
>I thought adding videos to your channel prevented you from getting Susan'd by Youtube
When you’re in a Susan lockdown, the video uploads themselves get Susan’s.

>>10974590
At least they didn't get their entire source code dumped I guess. Pretty low bar, I know.

>>10974365
As far as we know, those videos might be helping them from losing many more subs.

>>10974531
Damn. Assuming they follow the same pattern as Council who had their subs slashed for at least a week after debut, a slower growth than even Lazulight might be a possibility.

>>10974735
Might be beneficial if there's enough singles that rank.
It's just prettying interesting how big the difference is between albums and singles are honestly, I guess that has more to say with Japan than anything.

Is Millie the only one capable of doing uploads?

>>10974742
Flashbacks to when all of Council's debut videos hit 1 mil views in 2 days and then youtube removed 150k to 200k views from all of them.
Took days for the VODs to reach 1 mil again and Sana's is still stuck at 870k.

>>10973245

Nijicucks be like

>>10973245
>Question is whether this is going to be a daily thing like what happened with Council
I imagine so. It’s tougher starting now.

>>10971635
It's simple really.
Events are great for peaks, bad for median CCV for everyone though since everyone gets shoved into the same 1-2 hour slots and on an AVERAGE day, there's gonna be some viewer cannibalization which is just going to happen to some extent due to hako-oshi.
>>10972428
More like bored anons, its been too quiet here with all our regular shitposters shitting up the Nijien wave 3 threads.
>>10972905
That man had a family anon....

Ethyria fox inclining on twitter follows

>>10975074
Yep. This shits definitely gonna fuck with our debut data moving forward. As for future debutants, this is gonna be rough. Holo can still weather it somewhat since the brand is strong enough but hooboy Niji's all Male Wave is gonna get fucked in the ass.

>>10974900
No.
It's also important to note that Millie's first video autoplays when you visit her channel.

>Streams on Twitch once
>earns $25K
>Refuses to pekolaborate
>Leaves
Based

>>10975685
Pekochan I kneel.

>>10975685
She's done 3 watchalongs now no?
It's funny that she's earned that much just from the free primes and actual subs though.

Today's superchats
"Oops! All Holos" edition

>>10975772
i keep fprgeting falre has some oil barons

>>10975762
Yeah, that's just Subs and Bits, doesn't include donations if she had those enabled.

>>10975850
Sana is shaping up to be similar. Heavily SC'd, lower subs/CCV vs her genmates.

>>10975772
> Clean sweep
Is this the first time?

>>10975685
DODON DODON DON DON!
WHO EARNED 25K WATCHING A MOVIE
DODON DODON DON DON!
PEKOCHAN!

>>10975772
Who will win?
A 3 mil sub VTuber with 20k average CCV playing the most buff games for Holos
or
A Vsinger cursed with the worst designed model doing eating ASMR for only 4k viewers
THE ANSWER WILL SURPRISE YOU!

>>10975762
2 watchalong streams and 1 minecraft

>>10975451
>but hooboy Niji's all Male Wave is gonna get fucked in the ass.
I can imagine Susan now with a strap-on. I hate to admit this, but it will be somewhat funny to see the people who way overhyped the coming male VTubers, forced to face the coming reality.

>>10975888
I don't think Pekora or Miko have third party donations available via streamlabs for twitch or something. They only do subs and bits when they are there.

>>10975960
Oh right, her twitter summons, not mentioned anywhere else sudden twitch MC stream.
>>10975951
RIP Gura. Yea, her not establishing a culture of reading all SCs and being consistent in it killed her SC potential.
Ah well, its a tradeoff with spending hours reading SCs.

>>10974800
>we don't have actual proof this will appease the AI overlords but we do it because we believe it will
That's cargo cult behavior.

>>10975951
ummm, it was 5k thank you very much. She also told us the story of Ciderrella and the Soda Kingdom.

>>10975772
>Watame
holocucks...

>>10976095
I would check miko but the website has been taken down, if someone has a downloaded list they could get the info but I'm not downloading 125gb just to find out how much miko made.

>>10976188
It was posted in last thread >>10939021
>Miko 557359020 117921.23

Oh jeez, well it looks like Gura's going on the SC list today unless something really wacky happens (someone did the ol' free AKASUPA and then a bunch of others hopped on)
>508,298円
Wait holy hell that's way more than I was expecting. WTF.

>>10976138

>>10976421
She was reading some akasupas during stream and chat went nuts as usual when the chuuba tells them to stop distracting them with akasupas.

>>10975951
I unironically like how IRyS baits for akasupas during her ASMR.

>>10976421
>>10976506
>>10976555
Yea yea, I know how this goes. Jeez. Also, this shit is why streamlabs isn't being used, even by people who know and have pushed for it in the past (Kson). You don't get these trains of reds and shit, and the extra clicks absolutely kills the impulse superchats.

twitch overlaps

Yeah, this came out of nowhere

Dono is excessive. Twitch worked for Miko and Pekora because locals love amazon prime. Free money for oshi.

>>10976700
says a lot about this vtubing culture when people rather lose 30% of what they donate to Pajeet Youtube hands over clicking a few more buttons

>>10976292
>117921.23
My oh my. How much do they get from Youtube if few holos are even touching twitch? Looks very profitable for Miko considering twitch is a fraction of what she streams on.

if what you're all saying that the extra clicks for streamlabs made people send akasupas more, then the logic is twitch streamers shouldn't get that many more donations compared to chuubas right?

>>10975930
Yeah I'm pretty certain I've never seen that before, there was one day with no Nijis a few weeks ago but even that had a few Indies on it
>>10976138
Gura is still in the top 10 for 2021 SCs, obviously it doesn't match up to her domination in subs or VOD views but it's still pretty good considering she probably baits for them less than anyone else in the top 10

>>10976938
How many cuts from streaming on twitch if you don't sign some contract with them? I wonder if YT have something similar, or just everyone gets a 30% equally.

>>10976829
That's basically every service in the history of humankind. Getting it quicker and easier is a much better value to most people than putting in effort to save a few bucks or make it worth more to someone.

>>10975685
Where's Vshojo?

Apparently the biggest surprise was that e-thots actually don't make a lot on twitch.

>>10977621
Nevermind.
>>10938647

Hiroshimoot also scrubbed the links clean from the archives even.

You know the funny and sad thing is?

TimTheTatman earned 3.29m in his twitch tenure. And certainly, youtube paid hefty amount to fetch him, likely 3m paid upfront. While holos like Rushia are not given custom contract by youtube, when they provide better value (subjectively)

>>10977805
Attracting more 'Normie friendly' streamers is YT's goal of attempting to eat Twitch's lunch, whereas why bother doing so for the bunch of anime girl streamers that don't show any signs of wanting to even switch platforms?

One of the biggest evidence of hololive decline. You've got the bottom feeders like Anya getting only 10k subs a month and several holos that used to be way more popular than what they currently are right now such as Haato getting only 20k. Fucking Shigure is getting more subs a month than half of hololive now.

>>10977805
They're basically doing what Mixer did except Youtube gaming isn't a dead platform.
If only they spent those millions on fixing the damn website.

>he's retarded
haha

oh wow

24hr
Millie: 12.9K
Nina Kosaka 13.6K
Reimu: 13.5k
Enna: 12.7
Trailer Views: 319k

While Lamy and Towa secured their lead, there's 2 more holo coming after nijisanji

>>10959567
lol ok i will remind u of this post in one year from now

>>10978997
NIJIEN INCLINING SLOWLY BUT SURELY
EAT SHIT HOLOFAGGOTS

>>10959638
u love to see it

>>10978997
Is Susan dabbing on them or is this wave not making a splash? I was predicting 20k debuts, I don't want to have to pretend I didn't make that claim and then mock myself to cover my tracks.

>>10978997
seems lower than that blond chick from VSpo

>>10979102
They got their subs slashed.
Also consider, many who had lost interest in Myth may have been recaptured or found an Oshi with Council debuts, and are now less inclined to give Niji a shot? It's really hard to say.

>>10973332
>>10978997
So in 2 hours the trailer gained 50k views.
That's quite a few ads.
>>10979287
Doesn't look like by much anyways, less than 1k.

>>10979287
Even without the Susan Cut, i don't think they could've beaten Obsydia sub count.

>>10979102
>>10979287
The subs slash isnt that great right now but is worrying if it happens again.
still this wave isnt makeing the splash
they are 3k and 5k behind obsidian.
could be becasue is 4 girls instead of 3 so focus is more divided? but hard to tell with te low numbers.

>>10978997
WEAK AS FUUUUUUUUUUUCK!! How are you going to cope with this catastrophic failure Nijiniggers?

>>10979573
Nijisanji didn't pay for enough ads.

>>10979393
>>10979287
Give it a few weeks. I'm not sure what to make of this, I was predicting an incline but we really don't know at this point. I don't think Council had much of an effect on subs, subs are cheap to give. Debut views will matter more.
>>10979573
Stop that. I don't get why people are so confrontational, no one here owns stock in enikara or cover.

>>10967373
kek

You're saying as if Miko wouldn't wipe any niji resistance beforehand. They probably went extinct a few months after the war.

>>10979393
Yea, very small cut. However, debut day really is gonna be a pretty big deal for this wave, and if they really haven't grown their market significantly but they insist on spamming more waves going forward...

>>10979666
They literally don't care how well x branch is doing, they only care about the revenue it generates
Expect another wave or two soon.

>>10978997
failure. Nina and Reimu 14k - 16k the other two sub 13k (12k most likely)

>>10979750
>They literally don't care how well x branch is doing
Yes they do.
>they only care about the revenue it generates
Then they want growth, not splitting viewers between a bigger and bigger group of streamers. They actually need success.

>>10979666
This is their most successful foreign branch so far, I'm sure they're pretty happy with it. No one but retards on 5ch thought they'd get a Same-chan. All they need is a foothold in the market, which they managed to establish. I never have and never will watch NijiEN but they're doing fine.

>>10975772
Saved for future reference. Nijifags couldn't reach this streak even if they had a mass graduation because Rushia would be cucking them out.

>>10979951
They just need someone a more successful than Selen to move things forward. Which remains to be seen.

>>10978997
Just wait until doxxfags do their job and then Millie will have the whole country of Philipine subs to her.

NijiEN Top 10 highest concurrent live views (nijimado+vnuma)
21/07/18 15,263 Petra Nijisanji debut
21/05/16 14,859 Elira Nijisanji debut
21/07/18 14,220 Selen Nijisanji debut
21/05/16 12,431 Pomu Nijisanji debut
21/07/18 12,354 Rosemi Nijisanji debut
21/05/16 9,317 Finana Nijisanji debut
21/09/17 7,347 Nijisanji NijiEN Meltdown
21/09/16 6,554 Selen Kanae apex collab
21/05/25 5,986 Elira 1st Genshin stream
21/07/20 5,772 Selen 1st Apex stream

>NijiEN LazuLight
Elira 14,859
Pomu 12,431
Finana 9,317 (technical issue should be 12k if debuted on the same day)

>NijiEN OBSYDIA
Petra 15,263
Selen 14,220
Rosemi 12,354

>NijiEN Ethyria
Nina ????
Reimu ????
Millie ????
Enna ????

>>10977621
> e-thots actually don't make a lot on twitch
Unironically being a numberfag taught me the whole ethots have it easy is just an overused meme.
More than a meme, is just a tiny fraction of a whole picture. A top ethot definetely does better than the average anon...but is nothing compared to what even b-tier male streamers make.
Even on sites like Onlyfans or Chaturbate, males overtake females on earnings.
Unironically I feel Hololive's top earners may compete on the medium leagues againsts males, but is still a scenario with the odds going for the ones with a dick.

>>10975772
Holly molly btw nerf rushia please!

>>10979951
Oh I know that in context their numbers are fine, its just I don't want to see them spam waves only for Lazu and Obs get their numbers eaten into. Not only for their own success, but because the sheer amount of shitposting that would result would render the board even more of a pain to use than usual.

>>10979621
>Stop that. I don't get why people are so confrontational, no one here owns stock in enikara or cover.
Tell that to the Nijifags, Falseflaggers and Kuzufags who always love to start shit

>>10979951
The bar isn't exactly high, looking at Niji KR and Niji ID...

I don't know the exact coujt but when I searched the term "Hololive" on YT, it showed a fuckton of clips regarding the recent MC streams with a bunch of unofficial JP-EN collabs. There are around 20 or so clips already. This is really a great opportunity for clippers if they want to grow more in subs. These MC streams are a goldmine in regards to clippabpe moments.

>>10980330
i bet you nijien thread will split sooner or later

>>10980330
I haven't seen much evidence of cannibalizations, I've only seen evidence of steady, dwindling interest over time. The only thing to do is to add more faces to the branch since I'm not sure how they can generate hype since their not getting new outfits soon and 2023 is when they'll get 3D. Maybe they'll hit a homerun.
>>10980456
It's still the bar they're graded with.

>>10980330
Isn't that already too late? I can see Petra's number got canibalized by Millie.

>>10980203
Females are more successful VTubers.

>>10979951
>I never have and never will watch NijiEN
Why?

>>10980330
Honestly, it REALLY depends if Wave 3 can grow the fanbase.
Just looking at live viewership, NijiEN can't get to 6k even during special collabs. Pomu/Elira/Finana all had higher viewership before Obsydia debut and lost a portion of that to them.
On the flip side, the new HoloEN gen just added more people who are watching HoloEN at any given time. There were pretty minimal losses in viewership and instead they gained 4 - 25k fans per member watching HoloEN who would otherwise not be watching anything at the same time Holomyth would stream.

>>10978997
Ankimo chad, i kneel

>>10980753
Because I like HoloJP and that's more than enough to fill my day.

>>10980203
>Even on sites like Onlyfans or Chaturbate, males overtake females on earnings.
The fuck? Is this true? I didn't need to know about this

>>10981075
>they gained 4 - 25k fans per member watching HoloEN who would otherwise not be watching anything at the same time Holomyth would stream

>>10979621
>I don't get why people are so confrontational
It's because you Holofaggots are a cancer to the Vtubing community. I wish they just straight up banned Hololive discussion in this board so we wouldn't have to deal with you people.

>>10981409
This board was created to... you know what forget it fuck you

>>10981241
i think he means that the quanitty of poeple watching holoEn grow.
like that time where there were like 50k people watching holoen some days ago.
terrible wording tough and it doesnt excuse the canibalization when they overlap.

>>10981409
Lol its Nijinigs who start shit. You fuckers can't even celebrate your niji oshi's success without adding insult to Holos.
"If Kuzuha got #1 for the day" and you fuckers then go Get fucked Holos. Declining, reclining. Its annoying to see

>>10981409
Ohh yeah this is Numbers Thread, and Hololive most of the time get higher numbers. So why must Hololive be banned?
Can't accept that fact?

>>10981241
More people in HoloEN means it lowered the viewership a bit, but the overall viewership between all of them is higher. This is what needs to happen for NijiEN.

>>10981525
The KING living rent free in your heads, faggots.
Kuzuha rules this shit, and don't you ever forget that.
>>10981580
Who gives a shit who gets Bronze, when Kuzuha is hoarding all the Gold.

>>10981241
don't know how that anon arrived that number but in this pic Ame now has 3k, peaked at 5k when no one was streaming and 3.5k when overlapping with Ina 8k+. Gura peaked 23k now at 21k. If Kronii stole their viewers, that's 4k, which means at least 3.5k new people

>>10981747
Oh it's gold bronze anon.
Guess who didn't top the charts again?

Actually I should’ve said NijiEN needs to get both, more viewership individually and more overall for substantial enough growth.

>>10981747
Keep sucking his dick, kuzuha cocksucker chad. How many times today?

NijiEN is always going to struggle unless they can break the clipper/fanart feedback loop. Hololive will always give you more bang for your buck views/retweets/likes wise. I’m not sure this can happen short of some true fans being dedicated clippers until something goes viral. Right now I’m being buried in clips of JP/EN Minecraft. Selen being pretty good at Apex doesn’t seem like the right vector for that kind of spread. Is anyone in NijiEN a good candidate? A ship for u schizos? A great singer/musician? A meme maker? A great artist? How about in gen 3?

>>10981487
Yesterday HoloEN peaked at 55k viewers

>>10981747
Kuzuha hoarding all the gold? Lol delusional, just yesterday he got mogged by Subaru and Pekora.
Not to mention all the days Holos getting #1 and flooding the chart (those who got 10k+)

>>10981955
>Almost 8 mil in subs collectively
>only 55k viewers over-all, and some of them overlapping because they are viewing multiple streams

Holo Dead Subs rumao

10982011
(You) are all out samefagging today.

>>10981760
That's only 3 people streaming, plus no MC collab. MC with Hololive will always be a surefire way to gain viewers. Other than that, it depends on each game they play.

>>10981947
some have good sex jokes but that field is already filled by vsoujo on the clip scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry90EYG8W_o

Regarding talent they have some singers like elira BUT wihtout help and funds to do their own originals they aint going anywaher. It doesnt help they dont do unarchived araokes so it is all anime songs.

>>10982238
Pomu consistently gets Top 10 in SCs, so how come she can't spend it on official covers then? I thought she no longer had health issues?

>>10982291
That's the thing. She doesn't consistently get top 10 in scs.

>>10982291
>consistently gets Top 10 in SCs
you keep saying it in here won't make it come true anon.

>>10982291
Consistent? Dude She's not

>>10982238
I don't watch NijiEN but have anyone of them said they had intentions or were working on original songs or are they waiting for Nijisanji to include them in more songs?

Only way for NijiEN to incline is having collabs with HoloEN which management doesn't allow. One of the new nijiEN might collab with a HoloID though.

>>10982291
She isn't even in the top 50

>>10982450
Bitch should have joined HoloID instead

>>10982450
I mean, if I were HoloEN management, why WOULD I allow NijiEN to collab with HoloEN? Only one member really wants that sort of thing (Kiara), and it would only be boosting a competitor with minimal gain for HoloEN. Collabing with Vshojo, there's far less fanbase overlap and I can understand how convincing them for a collab on that front, but legit there's nothing for HoloEN as a whole to gain from collabing with them.*

*Note this is purely from a management/numbers perspective, and the potential for some great moments and enjoyment of the streamers is not taken into account at ALL with this statement.

>>10982095
Selen, Elira and Petra altogether can't even beat Ame or even get Half of Kronii's.

Elira and Petra have just started 12mins ago so they might incline. Let's see if the 3 of them can beat Ame. Ganbare LOL

>>10982450
>>10982600
based management not giving their competitors a chance.

>>10982600
>Why would I allow NijiEN to collab with HoloEN
So that the HoloEN whores would finally get to know what an actual entertaining and talented Vtuber looks like

>>10982600
Maybe because good companies don’t restrict their vtubers. Remember Coco?

>>10982600
Yeah lol
But i would want Elira to collab with pekora even just once. I don't watch Nijis but you guys said she's a nousagi before?

>>10982650
>So that the HoloEN whores would finally get to know what an actual entertaining and talented Vtuber looks like
Based on? Nijicucks really are seething and coping today huh?

>>10982650
>entertaining and talented Vtuber
and no one watch them?

>>10982739
Yeah, but Pekora wouldn't even collab with someone in Holo if she knows it wouldn't bring in the numbers. What are the chances she'll collab with Elira, knowing this fact?
I just wish Cover didn't force their talents to only think about min-maxing their numbers, and we would probably finally get actually entertaining streams...

>>10969227
No it is not

>>10982739
Elira is cute and all but she really has no experience streaming for a large audience. The pressure might get to her so I'd rather opt for a proven talented partner like let's say Gura.

>>10982739
big boy main branch collabing someone from a lowly inferior foreign branch
lmao

>>10982600
>*Note this is purely from a management/numbers perspective, and the potential for some great moments and enjoyment of the streamers is not taken into account at ALL with this statement.
and no one read this.
>>10982739
>>10982848
Peko has no reason to collab with a small chuuba (be it a Nousagi or not) that she never heard of before.

>>10982633
I don't know why Nijisanji keeps using the same strategy of mass releasing talents in EN market. It works in JP because they have a majority stake in the market. But with EN, they are playing 3rd or even 4th fiddle to other agencies, they cannot afford to keep pumping gens out like that and expect a huge return like in JP

>>10982848
Cover DOESN'T force their talents to minmax numbers though. That, is on the fact that pretty much most holomem ARE numberfags to some extent (as they should be to a degree, that's part of their job after all).

>>10982848
I think that's just Pekora's introverted nature kicking. Because we all know Pekomoon, Pekomiko or any collab especially something like 1st time collab with a Niji will bring numbers. And yet she won't do them if possible.

>>10982848
>Yeah, but Pekora wouldn't even collab with someone in Holo if she knows it wouldn't bring in the numbers.
Towa...

Why can Kuzuha collab with 10 subs indies but Pekora can’t collab with 200k subs vtuber?

>>10982703
Coco without restrictions has become a camwhore

>>10982972
She has denied collabs with Marine (someone who is equal or sometimes even beats Pekora in numbers) because Marine's collab suggestions are not up to Pekora's standards.
It's not her introverted nature, Cover literally forces their talents to only think of the numbers

>>10983110
*insert low CCV Holos here*

>>10982939
Wider net, more catch. They know that the Hololive bubble is bursting, and are setting up all the NijiEN talents to scoop up the bored EOPs and Holo-only faggots

>>10983147
Akirose literally cried and begged on stream for people to sub to her. If that ain't proof of Cover forcing their talents to min-max their numbers, then you sir are blinded by your loyalty to a company who doesn't care about you or your oshi.

>>10983110
>Cover literally forces their talents to only think of the numbers
They aren't doing a good job then

>>10983190
Nice jork

>>10983242
Don't be stupid, these rrats are just getting dumber by the day.
Never even heard of it. Source.

>>10982939
They didn't have a majority stake in the market when they used this strategy. This strategy is what GOT them that majority stake. Every new liver they release will chip off more viewers from holoEN, they can't lose by making more waves.