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>> No.11005791

ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

>> No.11005823

I take back what I said. Sodachan is at 10k now

>> No.11005848

Good MC numbers right now

>> No.11006090

>Sana and Bae not streaming right now during all these visits
My god, these two.

>> No.11006367

>>11005569
>500 subs cut
Susan you're not doing your job properly, they need to lost at least 80% of the sub count before the debut and 30% more after in order to be fair with Council

>> No.11006371
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no customs no problem i guess

>> No.11006561

Kanata is giving Baelz and Sana a tour of the JP server AND NEITHER OF THEM ARE STREAMING IT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> No.11006610

>>11006561
They hate numbers.

>> No.11006658

>>11006561
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
YOU DAFT CUNTS YOU SHOULD BE STRRAMING THIS
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>> No.11006681

>>11006610
It's no longer numberfagging, but wasted content. They could visit the pranks and stream it.

>> No.11006743

>>11006561
Not even on a VC, Kanata could capitalize with that

>> No.11007348

>>11006561
>>11006658
>>11006681
>>11006743
It's ok they giving Sora senpai numbers boost instead

>> No.11007615

>>11007348
...I'll accept this cope and adopt it as my own.

>> No.11007684
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11007684

Migo I kneel

>> No.11007761

>>11007684
They nerf pekora's number again huh.

>> No.11007827

Thoughts on Subaru’s birthday stream? 90k is insane for her.

>> No.11007853

>>11007684
thot queen is still too strong

>> No.11007862

>>11007761
Yea, someone brought it up a few threads ago that they did something wonky to Pekora's numbers. She's still 2nd though, despite the attempted sabotage.

>> No.11007892

I was shitting on this new NijiEN wave but noticed I get way more (You)s and win more threads by defending them.

>> No.11007893

>>11007684
Woah didn't expect Miko to be in the top 5.

>> No.11007931

>>11007862
8.4M for holodata but only 6.6M for streamhatchet.

>> No.11007941

>>11007827
She has written what it is even in English. It’s not her fucking birthday.

>> No.11007944
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>>11007827
Nevermind that, check out her SCs

>> No.11007993

>>11007944
Japs really are the best paypigs out there uh.

>> No.11008003

>>11007931
Eh, doesn't matter anyways, amoranth streams pretty much every waking hour of her day, and some not

>> No.11008008

>>11007684
sasuga budget pekora

>> No.11008014

>>11007892
Wrong thread bub, the confession thread is thataway.
>>11007931
Yea I wonder what the fuck is up with the disparity...

>> No.11008061

>>11007941
Come on anon, she's obviously only 3 years old!

>> No.11008082
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11008082

HOLY SHIT, MINECRAFT MERGER IS TOO STRONG OF A BUFF!

>44,997 peak :: 34,341 avg (Pekora)
>26,315 peak :: 18,854 avg (Gura)
>25,094 peak :: 14,044 avg (Botan)
>23,325 peak :: 17,448 avg (Gura)
>21,181 peak :: 17,571 avg (Kanata)
>17,450 peak :: 13,886 avg (Kronii)
>15,836 peak :: 13,164 avg (Fubuki)
>15,418 peak :: 12,009 avg (Rushia)
>14,742 peak :: 11,933 avg (Nene)
>13,359 peak :: 11,559 avg (Mumei)
>12,277 peak :: 9,471 avg (Sora)
>11,989 peak :: 7,648 avg (Fauna)
>11,824 peak :: 9,349 avg (Polka)
>11,520 peak :: 9,202 avg (Flare)
>11,360 peak :: 8,881 avg (Watame)
>11,265 peak :: 9,281 avg (Flare)
>11,181 peak :: 9,679 avg (Sana)
>9,481 peak :: 8,052 avg (Watame)
>9,057 peak :: 6,138 avg (Polka)
>5,571 peak :: 4,687 avg (Choco)
>4,837 peak :: 3,828 avg (Aki)

>> No.11008104

>>11007944
>93k
>$26k
Good but not world shattering.
I kinda expected more. I think that's it for events for this month for Hololive other than some outfit reveals which will be about 40% of what they got last time.

>> No.11008117

>>11007684
Btw kuzuha is number 1 in terms of vtuber with 8.9m

>> No.11008174

>>11008104
26 THOUSANDS dollars for an hours broadcast is insane anon. Would it be possible to pull something like that for a western vtuber?

>> No.11008183

>>11008117
His Q3 was absurdly strong and a pride for any numberfag

>> No.11008224

>>11008003
But thats not my point.

>>11008014

Yep almost 2M watch hours disparity is crazy. Its worse than the Q2 ranking i think

>> No.11008230

>>11008117
hes a dude, xqc got 49m compare those two.

>> No.11008279

With all these graduated vtubers coming back to streaming it makes me think that life isn't so pretty outside the industry when you used to be on top. Makes me think how bad Sony's name is that they aren't laying low and signing with them. I was expecting Sony to poach some big names but at this point they will be lucky to get someone talented that isn't desperate.

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>Ina and Baelz on Sora POV
Look at that incline

>> No.11008380

>>11008305
no that's because Kanata ended her stream because her stream is dying

>> No.11008403

>>11008380
kek, Sora miracle part 2

>> No.11008415

>>11008174
HoloEN would if they had 3D models. Heck, NijiEN would break their own records with 3D sometime in 2025 once Anycolor catches up.

Off topic but HoloEN fags tell me that they're low key seething about not having 3D debuts. I know /#/ would like it.

>> No.11008469

>>11008415
Please tell me you're not taking what people say here as fact

>> No.11008507

>>11008415
>HoloEN fags tell me that they're low key seething about not having 3D debut
They can have whenever they want
>Kiara can't enter Japan due to visa
>Gura, Ame and Ina couldn't due to travel restrictions
That could prove to be a problem

>> No.11008585

>>11008507
>Kiara can't enter Japan due to visa
Stop getting your information from random schizoposts jesus

>> No.11008612

>>11008469
I'm pretty sure EN fags are just that retarded, remember those are the same retards who think cover should invest for their own streaming platform.

>> No.11008665

>>11008585
Didn't she herself talk about getting a "richman's visa"?

>> No.11008667

>>11005695
fuck communism you multicolor fag

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>>11008585
>Stop getting your information from random schizoposts jesus

>> No.11008708

>>11007892
No one defending them I guess

>>11008117
He got massively buffed by the idol& stylish collab that went till morning then those koshien streams on top of him streaming till morning at times especially those pokemon streams

>> No.11008716
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11008716

ILLEGAL VIEW FUNNELING?

>> No.11008737
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>>11007684
nice migoti

>> No.11008778

>>11008082
Are you joking? Those are some embarrassing numbers, holobronies. Not even the Minecraft server merge can save hololive from their decline. It's over.

>> No.11008780

>>11008665
yes, that's for long term residence. There's nothing stopping her from applying for a tourist or work visa if she needs to enter Japan for the 3D, in fact she could stay in Japan with the same visa Mori is using, she just choose to go back because she's homesick

>> No.11008784

>>11007761
how much should it be?

>> No.11008786

>>11008716
Yeah, what happened for this. I just saw her stream got 8.5k while I was cooking.

>> No.11008789

Since 3D lives are so great at geberating money making, why do you think Vshojo is not jumping on the bandwagon. They are likely the next biggest English speaking agency. Most of their talents already have their 3D models already. The only problem is just choosing a studio to perform. Besides, Twitch has never experienced a 3D live before so the money is going to be big.

>> No.11008833

>>11008061
Don’t want to enter doxxfag territory but since she’s literally one of the only holo that has no info available about her age, she might.

>> No.11008901

>>11008737
Miko beat pokimane

>> No.11008903

>>11008174
Yes, it's totally possible

Gura Birthday
>$51k / 1h26m
Mori Birthday
>$55k / 2h26m
Ina birthday
>$41k / 1h36m
Kronii SC opening
>$45k / 2h

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11009000

>sora hitting 15K
jesas

>> No.11009003
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11009003

TOP FUCKING KEK

Collab between Kuzuha, Kanae, Mito, Toya and assorted rifraf
>31k
Kuzuha alone
>33k

Does this mean the rest added is a 2k debuff for Kuzuha?

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>>11008716
nope but this one was

>> No.11009016

>>11008784
8.4M+ she got 2.8M+ from July-September

>> No.11009063

>>11009003
It mean apexniggers only care about apex.

>> No.11009101

>>11008612
Pretty sure Cover has proven itself to be so retarded that any random /vt/ poster could run hololive better than them.

>> No.11009167

>>11008789
Cause they’re lazy?
Why put that much effort when you can just react to videos all day if you wanted to.

>> No.11009173

>>11009007
What's this one? Fuwa?

>> No.11009192

>>11008789
Do they even have the tech for it? They are not really a company after all. I guess Melody has 3d full body tracking.

>> No.11009215

Other than today's, here is all Sora streams over 10k for 2021

>2021-09-07 :: 37817/46483 :: 【3D配信】4周年記念ミニライブ【#ときのそら4周年】
>2021-03-03 :: 26570/31552 :: 【新衣装お披露目】わたしと一緒にデートしよ?【#ときのそら私服3D】
>2021-05-15 :: 21289/27350 :: 【お誕生日】BirthdayLive2021【#ときのそら誕生日2021】
>2021-05-27 :: 12279/16797 :: 【Minecraft】おっきい建築見ちゃうんだもん!!【#そらスバ/ときのそら/大空スバル】
>2021-05-11 :: 10486/16015 :: 【Minecraft】0期生ハウス補修しないと・・・【#ときのそら生放送/ときのそら さくらみこ 星街すいせい】

>> No.11009323

>>11009173
yea it is fuwa, forgot to say

>> No.11009324
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11009324

>not today, Shuba
* LAUGHS IN ONI *

>> No.11009362

>>11009101
AHAHAHAHAHAHA HAVE YOU TAKEN A LOOK AT THIS THREAD?
Cover might be retarded but they are financial geniuses compared to the retards that infest this place, and this is one of the better threads

>> No.11009376

>>11008737
>>11008901
she's been doing great, proud of her

>> No.11009384

>>11009324
S-She can't just keep getting away with it!

>> No.11009403

>>11009324
the fuck man.. i dont even dislike ayame but fuck

>> No.11009434
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11009434

* Subs gained, sorted by Last 30 days *
ClockGirl is in a streak and also
>Ayame
Top kek, she can't be stopped

>> No.11009534

>>11009434
S-Sana...

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>>11009384
>S-She can't just keep getting away with it!
>>11009403
>the fuck man.. i dont even dislike ayame but fuck
Funniest part is that Ayame is actually
>GAINING on Subaru

These two are pretty much twinned but Ayame hiatus had her lag a little, only to gain back and to be on pace to overtake Subaru
>on the peak of Subaru's popularity too

Ayame is too strong, something that cannot actually be explained except a full blown pack with the devil

>> No.11009637

>>11008716
>>11008786
Scrims ended early because of the earthquake so she joined Kuzuha and Fuwa to do some ranked.

>> No.11009655

https://youtu.be/HoTbtvF1iSw
It has same or even more views than REFLECT in the first week (3.92M vs ~3.90M).
btw KING is 4.14M

>> No.11009665

>>11009362
Anybody who thinks Cover is incompetent is a retard. Holos are always at the top of the charts and it’s definitely not based off talent alone. They have outstanding marketing and know exactly what to do to attract viewers. It’s the same thing when retards complain about game restrictions, Apex and Minecraft are literally number buffs of course Cover won’t let them play anything else.

>> No.11009671

>>11009434
Baelz has the potential to be a pekora-lite, only if she streams daily REEEEEE

Take the 7pm jst rrat. It's literally after dinner at 9pm for you in Aussieland.

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>>11007684
>Mikochi shows her worth to pekora
CHRISTMAS COLLAB IS BACK BABYY!!

>> No.11009719

>>11009665
And this is exhibit A of why nobody here has any business running a company

>> No.11009732

>>11009665
>Apex (...) number buffs
>for Holos
FUCKING KEK, did your mom drop you in your head?

>> No.11009759

>>11009665
Once digikomi falls through and they appease bezos, they might get new world permissions

>> No.11009810

>>11009101
Look at this >>11009665 and think again.

>> No.11009891

>>11009732
NTA but it is, as long as they don't spam them, just look at Aqua, Ayame, FBK, Ame, Choco, RBC Apex streams number.

>> No.11009901

>>11009732
>>11009759
>>11009810
>>11009719
Laugh all you want the point still stands, Cover could literally have monkeys hiding behind the avatars and people would still be watching. It’s branding, not talent.

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>>11007684
>started at the very bottom of Hololive, a total flop
>Is now among the top 5 female streamers in the entire world
HOLY FUCK MIGO!! What a fucking story. Hard work and dedication pay off.

I fucking kneel

>> No.11009974

>>11009901
It's talent you idiot. Cover did nothing to the brand.

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>>11009901
shut up nigga

>> No.11009981
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>>11008104
>>11008174
33k actualy, remember to wait for playboard to finish counting the money
still not even her most sced stream

>> No.11010023

>>11009942
Come to think of it, Hololive has alot of these Cinderella stories. Sora, Suisei, Marine, and Miko. Are there anyone else I'm missing?

>> No.11010092

>>11010023
Pekora. From the bottom of the rut in her gen during debut, to the top 5 female streamer in the world

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>>11009942
Miko was always ex aequo quality with Pekora, but couple months in hospital during biggest hype year ago fucked her over.
I'm glad she is climbing her way to place where she belongs

>> No.11010116

>>11010023
It's just Miko and Suisei.

>> No.11010149

>>11009901
>Cover could literally have monkeys hiding behind the avatars
THIS, but every vtuber ever and that's the whole appeal of vtubers.

Not only this but "talent" is something subjective, for some is to be very entertaining, for others it is to be able to push ping pong balls from their genitals in high enough speed. Either way it is completely unworthy of even entertaining a debate in this numbers thread

>> No.11010166

>>11009974
>>11009973
Hololive doesn’t need to prove anything anymore. There comes a point where brand name alone is enough to get you to the top. Look at Apple. Of course the girls are talented, but nobody in their right minds can think that they could achieve all of this by themselves. They have marketing and guidance, which is the reason why they’re so popular today.

>> No.11010201

>>11010092
Nah Flare was and is still the bottom of the rut in sankisei

>> No.11010244

>>11010023
Sora and Marine really shouldn't count.
Corporate wageslave into vtuber is not that magical anon.

>> No.11010286

>>11009434
>Kronii
All those new japanese subscribers will become dead subs, they will not keep watching her for much longer

>> No.11010326

>>11010149
Fair, but in my opinion for a company like Cover or Anycolor, talent isn’t subjective. They know exactly the kind of personality and vibe they want their characters to have, that’s the whole point of having auditions. They want experienced people who fit a certain mold they imagined,

>> No.11010373

>>11010286
She actually needs to stream on that JP slot to keep that audience, and she doesn't even stream Minecraft on her normal time slot.

>> No.11010377

>>11010166
>nobody in their right minds can think that they could achieve all of this by themselves
True. That goes for every corporate vtuber as well

>They have marketing and guidance, which is the reason why they’re so popular today.
FUCKING KEK, "mom dropped from crib full on his head then picked up shook vigorously for good measure" confirmed.

There is an universe where Cover ACTUALLY provided guidance, Miko never said "nigger", Matsuri never told stories of pissing herself, Haachama never said "Taiwan", Coco never made overt endorsements of drug use and promiscuity and Hololive would be, with luck, competing with VSPO right now.

The whole appeal of Hololive has nothing to do with either talent of guidance. It was more a product and a market meeting tiself in the EXACT right moment to become a whole lot more than what it could ever be guided into.

>> No.11010402

>>11010023
Yagoo's House of broken dolls.
Not sure if you could classify them as cinderella story but Coco, Kanata, Watame, Subaru all had humble/rough start as well.

>> No.11010472

>>11010373
Don't respond to the dead subs poster anon

>> No.11010484

>>11010326
>They want experienced people who fit a certain mold they imagined,
The word "talent" then have multiple meanings, each more disconnected from the original one than the previous.

Talent used to mean something. It's not "work ethnics". It's not "charisma". It's not "ability to work as a group".
Maybe people should retire this word and use the more appropriate substitutes

>> No.11010528

>>11010402
Watame and Kanata came from very poor backgrounds based on their stories. Which is smart. Even a "midlevel" holo is making money that would seem like a fantasy to genuine poorfags. See also: Ame

>> No.11010533

>>11010472
Wait really? That is dead subs poster?
But they are using Kronii! That is novel at least.

>> No.11010548

>>11010484
>work ethnics
Work ethics, I surely mean

>> No.11010610

>>11010402
I feel like Subaru's "rough start" is massively exaggerated. House burning is tragic, but needing to get a part-time job is not really the worst thing ever. Having a hole in heart is also sad, but not tragic, especially since she was a fucking baby then and she obviously lived.

>> No.11010627

>>11010533
"Dead subs" is one of those weasel words that retards use to turn "small number > Big number" into a thing. Anyone who unironically uses it in the numbers thread should be shunned like the plague.

>> No.11010630

>>11009942
Yeah and I don't want to be petty but Amouranth just licks the mic all day, as far as actual content creating girls go; she's 4th!

>> No.11010634

>>11010377
Guidance doesn’t mean preventing the talents from saying whatever the fuck they want. The whole point isn’t to suppress any form of creative freedom they may have, but to direct them in a direction where they can find their niche. Why would cover even want to prevent Miko from saying Nigga or Matsuri from talking about piss when these clips gave them shit ton of views.

>> No.11010647

Talent here just means employee. The word was popularized by Japan's idol agency.

>> No.11010656

>>11007684
Not suprise by miko eventually getting up there. Top 5 highest vods holos are:
1. Gura
2. Pekora
3. Miko
4. Korone
5. Marine

>> No.11010681

I just count miko's watch hours from holodata and its almost identical to streamhatchet

July : 1,480,809
August : 1,870,269
September : 1,533,087

Total Watch Hours for Q3 : 4,884,165
StreamHatchet : 4.8M

Kuzuha got nerf from 9.5M(gikenTV&holodata) to 8.9M(Streamhatchet)

While Pekora got shafted really hard from 8.4M(holodata) to 6.6M(Streamhatchet)

>> No.11010693

>>11009665
>game restrictions
That's because is hard to get some licenses, they don't control which games they are playing (except sponsorships)

>> No.11010715

>>11010656
If only gura stream everyday she be up there 2 but she lazy.

>> No.11010759

>>11010681
Maybe they're excluding some specific type of content

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>>11010656
?

>> No.11010777

>>11010656
Huh, Korone is still up there? I'd have thought she'd have fallen off already.

>> No.11010807

>>11009101
I would be hounding Kronii hard if I was running Cover. She's litterally stealing money from me by not streaming minecraft despite playing it 14 hours a day.

>> No.11010818

>>11010634
I'm not saying it's a good idea, but if they want to market themselves as an idol agency that's family friendly/four quadrant keeping certain types of yab to a minimum isn't a terrible idea. Gura walks the line. Matsuri walks over it. Haachama jumps it on a rocket bike. Some partners/products might not like that and large corporate sponsorships are significant money. Luckily Hololive seems to have segmented their talents so they an offer a package to nearly any demographic.

>> No.11010836

>>11010766
Anon probably means 2021 so far or something. Total is weighted and last 30 days is too short a time period.

>> No.11010848

>>11007684
Fuuucccckiinngg cooommeerrsss watch her on OF

>> No.11010852

>>11010766
Anon average VOD views not total.

>> No.11010853

>>11010766
Retard

>> No.11010922

>>11010610
Depends on how you look at it, the tragic scenarios and her being a normie that somehow made it in vtubing is an interesting story. Unlike others who have done streaming or some other entertainment work prior.

>> No.11010933

>>11010634
>Guidance doesn’t mean preventing the talents from saying whatever the fuck they want
That's exactly what corporate guidance means, to have a standard of communication and good behaviour that rules how the company wants their image to be broadcast to the world

The whole magic that allowed Hololive to become what it is today is the opposite: they gave each girl a smartphone, some software and told them to do whatever.

At first they didn't even have enough of a company structure to deal with the simplest problems, like securing proper permissions or having someone other than the CEO to manage one of the branches.
And that's why they succeeded. The product adapted itself to the market, the market adapted itself to the product and it became a behemoth that can't even be copied because you can't really copy serendipity

>> No.11010937

>>11010818
Idol agencies aren’t family friendly anon.

>> No.11010948

>>11009901
>Cover could literally have monkeys hiding behind the avatars and people would still be watching
So why spamming the same game doesn't work for holomem?

>> No.11011000

>>11010610
This. Unless she was really young working part time is normal.

>> No.11011002

>>11010937
Anon may not know "gravure idol" is an idol just as well.

>> No.11011029
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>>11010634
>Guidance doesn’t mean preventing the talents from saying whatever the fuck they want
You want this?

>> No.11011037

>>11010922
I do find it interesting, but just not overly tragic. Normie tomboy deciding to be a vtuber and ending up being one of the most idol-like of them is top tier.

>> No.11011078

>>11010937
Not all but there's no reason they can't be, at least friendly enough to be associated with big brands without the fear of bad press.

>> No.11011103

>>11011029
>I didn't know what vore means
What the fuck, you are obviously not fooling anybody you witch and you're still doing it.
Fucking brat.

>> No.11011160

>>11011029
I’d say that’s more of the recruiting team’s job to make sure they don’t hire people like that.

>> No.11011197

>>11011029
when youre a bad actress even via text only

>> No.11011239

>>11011029
kore wa... gura killer..

>> No.11011266

>>11011029
Lola please... Why are you like this?

>> No.11011298

>>11010681
>While Pekora got shafted really hard from 8.4M(holodata) to 6.6M(Streamhatchet)

I have the same here

>2,857,168 :: Jul
>2,812,072 :: Aug
>2,837,489 :: Sep
>8,506,729 :: Total

Source is Holostats, timezone is JST. For Miko I have

>1,476,196 :: Jul
>1,863,534 :: Aug
>1,557,958 :: Sep
>4,897,688 :: Total

>> No.11011307

>>11010656
Marine vods is very strong anon but she stream less these day. She getting in the rank eventually when she get her full health back.

>> No.11011331

>>11011029
is this the new gura killer

>> No.11011370

>>11010759
Like what type of content are they even filtering when stream hatchet counts bath tub streams anyway?

>> No.11011426

>>11011307
I don't think she'll ever make it up there, she streams every day but rarely streams longer than four hours and the people on that list are the ones who do twelve hour streams every day

>> No.11011436

>>11011331
Yeah this and the bird are the gura killers.

>> No.11011451

>>11010933
>a behemoth that can't even be copied because you can't really copy serendipity
This is why I hate EN startups. They're trying to be hololive. They need to copy a model that has been proven to work like Niji's instead of running around in a rain storm with a bottle hoping to catch lightning. I'm not saying Hololive is bad, I'm just saying trying to copy Hololive is a fool's errand.

>> No.11011486

>>11011436
TL Note: Gura killer means absolute flop

>> No.11011557

>>11011486
I know that but sometimes it's funny seeing the falseflaggers and tribalists go on about screeching gura killer and HoloEN killer.

>> No.11011627
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11011627

>Moona's announcement was the establishment of ID Minecraft server
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgJNnSkEBqs

They're doing a relay tomorrow (if I caught that correctly) to inaugurate whatever they're making.
Out of the stupid ideas from the ID girls (which, btw, they're very enthusiastic about it) this is the MOST STUPID OF THEM ALL.
With this new MC BOOM due to the EN-JP contacts and many of those girls speaking fluent english WHYYYYYY THE FUCK ARE THEY DOING IT?!

I can only imagine one thing
>they're afraid of being called "leeches"
WHICH THEY SHOULD FUCKING BE, IT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF BOX PUSHING
Dumb broads

>> No.11011676

>>11011370
im talking out my ass but was thinking it would be the other way around, with a specific company asking to left out of data.

>> No.11011689

>>11011627
They just want a home server to build on, seems like it should be connected to the JP one almost immediately I sure hope so.

>> No.11011778

>>11011689
It won't be at the start.

>> No.11011821

>>11011689
>seems like it should be connected to the JP one almost immediately
That's not even the point, it is a good thing to have an ID server for when ID3 comes.

BUT NOT NOW, DUMB BROADS, MAKE ACQUAINTANCE WITH THE EN GIRLS FIRST!

>> No.11011840

>>11011778
Gah. I do hope they speedrun getting the essentials and get that done ASAP. The longer they're separate the worse things are. Unless this server is more for entertaining non-hololive guests,which...I can understand because the ID branch is far more lax in who they're allowed to collab with, but c'mon....

>> No.11011876
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>October
>Gura
>3 streams, 7 days
Already 370k watch hours (45% of prev. month). If only you were a gamer, shark

>> No.11011889

>>11011778
Well I hope not at the start means sometime soon, Moona needs to be connected to the JP server.
>>11011821
Yeah that too. They decided to work hard on this right at the cusp of the moment and now even the usual MC players (Ollie, Moona, Reine) are preparing for a server instead of raking in the dough.

>> No.11011945

>>11011876
She's MOTIVATED right now anon, she'll go back to her lazy ways soon enough.
The fact that she was actually able to completely finish the exterior of her haunted house in one session is a far cry from the days where it took her an entire stream just to build a door.

>> No.11011979

>>11010533
I'm not the dead subs poster. I'm talking about Kronii because I watch her regularly and I don't think that getting japanese viewers will help her in the long term

>> No.11012009

Looking at Subaru's and Ayame's merch, is it safe to say that Holo merch orders are above 1000 at least? I mean, Ayame has her 800 limited stuff sold out in minutes, Subaru didn't have a limited merch but you can pre-order her anniversary merch now. I wonder how much orders Cover gets from normal merch sets of mid or high tier holos.

>> No.11012026

>>11011627
only makes sense if they are going to connect it with JP and EN servers

>> No.11012056

>>11012009
I think Fubuki's merch sold out really fast too.

>> No.11012068

>>11012009
other than limited handsigned merch, all the hololive merch are made to order, so they don't really have a limit for it.

>> No.11012092

>>11011876
dont call that retarded calculation as watched hours, anon

>> No.11012094

>>11011979
That's her to think about with Ceres and Mumei. Sana and Baelz already hoped in on the minecraft merge buff. Gura, Mori and Ina all carved out a good JP audience. Only Ame doesn't do all that much for the jp fans.

>> No.11012097

>>11012009
Watame got around 6-7k orders on her full pack birthday merch iirc (she used the sales of that to fully find her album, MVs and possibly the concert) I’d have to look back in the archives to confirm.
>>11012056
Fubuki sold out in in under a few minutes.

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* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>93,378: Subaru (Hololive)
>33,716: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>31,394: Shiina Yuika (Nijisanji)
>23,180: Gura (Hololive)
>21,120: Kanata (Hololive)
>20,733: Fuwa (Hololive)
>18,684: Shion (Hololive)
>17,045: Shibuya Hal (Indie)
>16,657: Mio (Hololive)
>16,303: Yashiro Kizuku (Nijisanji)
>16,153: Reid (Indie)
>15,726: Fubuki (Hololive)
>14,979: Sora (Hololive)
>14,610: Kanata (Hololive)
>12,608: IRyS (Hololive)
>11,299: Watame (Hololive)
>11,259: Flare (Hololive)
>11,193: Saegusa Akina (Nijisanji)
>10,695: Naraka (Nijisanji)

Missing Ayame in some Twitter jiggamagig @ 13k, but that no site carries the number and is too much of a hassle to include.

>> No.11012133

>>11005695
>playboard no longer lists Kizuna Ai's main channel in their Vtuber ranking
>but they list mafutranny
Can we just stop linking that shitty site already?

>> No.11012150

>>11012107
Fuwa became an idoru?

>> No.11012153

>>11012107
She doesn't slot into the top 12 or so so Ayame is not much of an issue. Thanks anon.

>> No.11012161

>>11011979
I doubt those subs are even predominantly Japanese. Her flow seems too continuous to resemble any "spur of the moment" incline

>> No.11012193

>>11012107
>>93,378: Subaru (Hololive)
>>33,716: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>>31,394: Shiina Yuika (Nijisanji)
Some say getting a silver medal and a bronze is worth more than a single gold.

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* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>93,378: Subaru (Hololive)
>33,716: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>31,394: Shiina Yuika (Nijisanji)
>23,180: Gura (Hololive)
>21,120: Kanata (Hololive)
>20,733: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>18,684: Shion (Hololive)
>17,045: Shibuya Hal (Indie)
>16,657: Mio (Hololive)
>16,303: Yashiro Kizuku (Nijisanji)
>16,153: Reid (Indie)
>15,726: Fubuki (Hololive)
>14,979: Sora (Hololive)
>14,610: Kanata (Hololive)
>12,608: IRyS (Hololive)
>11,299: Watame (Hololive)
>11,259: Flare (Hololive)
>11,193: Saegusa Akina (Nijisanji)
>10,695: Naraka (Nijisanji)

Missing Ayame in some Twitter jiggamagig @ 13k, but that no site carries the number and is too much of a hassle to include.
(sHusH! ʏou sᴀw ɴotHJɴG!)

>> No.11012239

>>11012068
Yeah. I'm thinking that they at least get 1000 or 2000 orders at the minimum which is a lot honestly >>11012097 since they don't usually pump out merch other than anniversary and birthday.

>> No.11012271

>>11012107
jezas, bakatrio circus with 3 10k+ peaks and around 40k jointed is pretty impressive

>> No.11012297

>>11012193
>Some say getting a silver medal and a bronze is worth more than a single gold.
kek, yeah, I too remember the Beijing Olympics when burgers were saying
>we may not have won the most gold but we won the most total medals!

>> No.11012300

>>11012229
Big grass indeed.
4 Niji, 5 Holo, 1 Indie
Close nijikeks, but not quite.

>> No.11012312

>>11009324
IRyS fell off hard desite being 2 months old....

>> No.11012333

>>11012297
Was that after including areas they claimed as belonging to China like Taiwan in their counts as well?

>> No.11012339

>>11012239
Oh is that the reason why they space out debuts and birthdays far from each other? Huh, EN doesn't have birthdays so close to their debuts, only Ame has it.

>> No.11012376

>>11012229
>2 indies
>6 nijis
>11 holos
Seems like par for the course to be honest.

>> No.11012395

>>11012312
Irys and Council are all experiencing normal growths. Myth was abnormal that boosted the JP too and the sole instigator is the shark.

>> No.11012402

>>11012333
??? Anon he is talking about burgers. Don't get blinded by the Beijing in there. Read properly.

>> No.11012414

>>11012193
I will say in no2 and no3 combined don't go higher than no.1 then give the day to whoever gets no1 else give it to the one who gets the max in top10.

>> No.11012428
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>>11012312
>IRyS fell off hard desite being 2 months old....
Biggest last 30 days growth of the company except for the millionaires and the debutants.

>> No.11012450

With the big Twitch leak that just got dropped today, can we get the numbers of all the twitch vtubers on this thread??

>> No.11012453

>TOP WINNERS OF THE DAY - OCTOBER 2021

1) Korone (Hololive) - 71k - Birthday 3D
2) Ayame (Hololive) - 86k - 3D Concert
3) Hal (Indie) - 57k - CR lottery
4) Noel (Hololive) - 101k - Outfit Reveal
5) Fubuki (Hololive) - 72k - Birthday 3D
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 45k - Minecraft (ENxSubaru)
7) Subaru (Hololive) - 93k - 3rd Anniversary

>> No.11012473

>>11012450
>today
anon?
just visit the older threads someone posted a website for you.

>> No.11012512

>>11012450
Previous thread anon, should still be archived

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>>11012297
The fuck are you talking about?

>> No.11012520

>>11012333
>>11012402
>??? Anon he is talking about burgers. Don't get blinded by the Beijing in there. Read properly.
No, he's right about that. In the past Olympics the cope was on the opposite direction, with zhangs saying they should get Taiwan and Hong Kong medals added to their tally.
>even if it that arrangement would allow them to have more athletes than others in competitions you can only send one team per country

>> No.11012538

>>11012428
IRyS falling behind is a meme from when people thought Obsydia would clobber her.

>> No.11012542

>>11012450
Here, I'm gonna be nice.
https://twitch.fckdmca.com/

>> No.11012560

>>11012450
>today
Hello fellow Internet Explorer user

>> No.11012588

>>11012520
Hmmm, ok then my bad.
Sounds like China desu.

>> No.11012611

>>11012538
Can even obsydia combined beat her in anything ?

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>>11012515
Wut, Beijing was 2008 anon

>> No.11012643

>>11012625
Oh right, I thought you were talking about the 2020 olympics

>> No.11012731

>>11012450
Your question should be phrased more like so: With the big Twitch leak that happened yesterday, we saw that lots of streamers made a lot more than expected. How many Holos/Nijis are actual millionaires?

>> No.11012971
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Aki is cursed as fuck. Not only her numbers underperform against all odds, every time I tune in her streams she seems to have suffered some kind of zenloss

>> No.11013059

>>11012971
It doesn't help that, instead of getting in on the EN server merge, she's off journeying in the Nether.
Aki, please....

>> No.11013113

>>11012971
It's actually a very good CCV for Aki. Her regular MC numbers is around 2k range plus she is still on her personal quest to solo ender dragon so there isn't much buff from EN portal opening.

>> No.11013144

>>11012971
JP 6 can't come soon enough. Purge Aki, Matsuri and Mel from the face of this planet please. I beg of you cover, it's over a year already. Gen 4 and Gen 5 didn't take too long.

>> No.11013150

I notice that NijiEN3 trailer has a similar view growth to HoloCouncil trailer but the comment section has way less comments and engagement as well. It doesn't seem to make much of an impact compared to HoloCouncil's announcement. There are also less JP comments compared to NijiEN1. Not a troll, but it's not looking too good for the 3rd gen right now. It makes me wonder if this will affect the male 4th gen early next year.

>> No.11013163

>>11013059
she did say there would be an announcement when she beats the ender dragon

>> No.11013170

>>11012611
CCV Vod SCs
Obsydia 4,576 115,212 $113,073
Lazu Light 4,551 111,709 $207,205
IRyS 8,170 165,061 $108,027

Looks like NijiEN kinda wins since they have merch if you want to ignore IRyS' chart topping EP.

>> No.11013221

>>11013150
No shit, cause those are all paid views while council trailer had organic growth.

>> No.11013267

>>11013163
Ah.
That's far more interesting, but I can see why it might take a while for someone who isn't very optimized in their approach.
>>11013170
So Obsydia beats her in SC by 5k if you combine their totals, but both gens lose to IRyS in VOD views when compared 3 v 1...
The fact that it has to be 3 v 1 is...

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>directly
I'm outing myself. so basically, they are telling me to stfu and ask youtube

>> No.11013304

>>11013267
>>11013170
If you combine all of NijiEN then they dab on IRyS pretty hard.

>> No.11013375

>>11013282
Fucking YT being wack again then? so odd....
>>11013304
6 v 1? C'mon now, that's not really fair at all!

>> No.11013469

>>11013375
Everyone knows that every Holo has to be able to take on 10 Nijis or they’re a failure!

>> No.11013480

>>11013282
Just point them to the HoloStats website. They also get their data from Youtube and don't have such a huge discrepancy.

>> No.11013576

>>11013469
I mean, they already do that. Just look at ID and KR. For every 5 members from both branches online, there's always 1 holo who's above them. Prove my theory wrong.

>> No.11013654

>>11013170
Obsydia's VoD already passed Lazulight???

>> No.11013663

>>11013576
Kek there's 14 nijis and 3 Holos online now. Other than Kuzuha, all 3 Holos dabs their numbers on the others.

>> No.11013678

>>11013375
>6 v 1? C'mon now, that's not really fair at all!
I'm taking the piss by making fun of anons who used to do this sincerely to prove that IRyS was a failure vs Lazu Light.

>> No.11013700

>>11013663
You know it makes me wonder how frustrated management gets that he’s lazy as shit.

>> No.11013711

>>11013282
>>11013480
>They also get their data from Youtube and don't have such a huge discrepancy.
Exactly. They're full of shit, there are 3 independent sources disputing their numbers

>> No.11013721

>>11013654
Yes. Lazu Light have good SC earners but Obsydia is actually better in VODs and CCV. Selen isn't even carrying that much, she's down to 1.9k CCV in the past two weeks.

>> No.11013761

>>11013721
>she's down to 1.9k CCV in the past two weeks.
What caused the decline? Failing to live up to the APEX expectations?

>> No.11013826

>>11013144
I think Mel may be ramping up to reinvent herself, just hope the recent tragedy doesn't get her too downtrodden.

>> No.11013833

>>11013761
She still gets a healthy 2.5k+ on her Apex streams, she just plays some debuff games. Elira is the one with the severe decline.

>> No.11013859

>>11013700
despite being the way he is he's the best performing streamer in the company in terms of numbers, and he sells a fuckton of merch too. what is there to be frustrated about? unless you mean frustrated because of what he could potentially achieve if he stopped being lazy.

>> No.11013884

>>11013282
sounds like a bunch of bullshit lol, never trust Stream Hatchet

>> No.11013891

>>11013150
Hard to engage with an ad you see 5s of and then press Skip

>> No.11013913

>>11013859
I'm pushing back, him being the way he is is the appeal. I'm not sure turning him into a work horse won't have diminishing returns with a burnout.

>> No.11013995

Jesus fucking christ the entire board is getting taken over by nijiEN3 bait threads. I don't recall it being this bad back when Obysida was about to debut, what the hell hapopoened

>> No.11014001

>>11013833
>Elira is the one with the severe decline.
My NijiEN oshi.... And now with NijiEN3 coming her status as the best singer in NijiEN will be in danger...

>> No.11014007

>>11013891
Got a hack on YT to skip those unskippable or 5 second ones. I just closed it if I found an ad and opened the same video. YT made it way easier to close videos on mobile.

>> No.11014030

>>11013913
don't know how common it is with streamers but there are guys in the world that are more satisfied when working more hours than the regular amount

>> No.11014034

>>11013913
Sounds a lot like trying to get Gura to do a lot more than she does currently.
Like would it be nice to get some more streams outta her? Sure, but that sounds like a one-way ticket to burnout town, population : a top performer for the company. I think that for all the incompetence out of both companies, they realize that pushing someone to stream more just for numbers is about as stupid a thing as anyone could think of.
>>11013826
I'm out of the loop, sis something happen to Mel? Or is this roommate stuff.

>> No.11014038

>>11013761
Just fewer APEX streams. She only had 3 APEX collabs + 1 Guerilla solo in the last 2 weeks, and none of them being part of any tournament at all so there wasn't any big boost (one of the collab was with rpr, though)

>> No.11014052

>>11014007
You, uh, ever heard of ublock?

>> No.11014085

>>11013995
Anykara workers doing the undercover instigating work. As long as the fire burns, people will keep talking about them. They just need to fuel it with "Why does Anykara pump X no. of vtubers" and then the other workers would reply too. Every reply adds a cent to their account.

t.fired anykara worker

>> No.11014100

>>11014030
There are definitely streamers that get off on doing crazy stupid hours. see: xqc.
It's just I don't think you can compare solo streamers to corpo ones since there's additional offstream obligations to consider that eat up energy and time.

>> No.11014103

>>11013150
Said it before but Nijisanji got itself in a situation where they HAVE to buy ads for every wave now or it will look like a complete failure if they only relied on organic growth.

>> No.11014111

>>11013995
it was taken over by petra-s**** gura killer all over

>> No.11014136

>>11014052
I'm using unlock on pc. I don't want to install any app on YT. I just reopen streams to skip ads on mobile.

>> No.11014141

>>11014034
With regards to Mel, yes and no with regards to it being roommate. She announced it on both twitter accounts but to varying degrees of detail.

To be as basic as possible, death involved.

>> No.11014164

>>11014136
Look up youtube vanced
Either that or pony up for youtube premium.

>> No.11014167

>>11013913
it's also hard to imagine what that would look like. and yeah i also think he got to where he is partially because they let him do (mostly and almost) whatever he wants. he already streams for hours on end on some days simply because he feels like it, probably helps that kachiku aren't exactly starving for content.

>> No.11014190

>>11014141
>death involved
Death of a friendly creature, like in Noel's or Shion's case or death of a human being?

>> No.11014194

>>11014034
I don't think Cover ever force their chuubas to stream more. If they do, how do you explain Ayame, Shion, Aqua, and Suisei?

>> No.11014204

>>11014034
Roommate can't make her staple content anymore due to niconico's rule changes. She's going all-in on Mel, even quitting things that weren't affected.
And then the death >>11014141 mentioned happened.

>> No.11014205

>>11014034
>>11014190
Death in the family, she announced it on her twitter
https://twitter.com/yozoramel/status/1443115392063266817?s=20

>> No.11014240

>>11014205
>不幸
kek, euphemisms for that exists in every language

>> No.11014244

>>11014103
Is it really so bad to buy ads though? They don't cost much and if they can trigger some algorithm favor then it is a solid investment.

>> No.11014251

>>11014204
That's some bad luck, and would explain her recent absence right after she started to ramp up. What a bloody shame. What were the Nico Nico changes anyways? First I've heard of it.

>> No.11014292

>>11014244
No. It's a solid marketing strategy. It's just people comparing them with their competition who doesn't use ads.

>> No.11014291

>>11013891
>>11013150
>>11014103
Some simple stats ( take it with a grain of salt because it has been a 6-7 weeks since council debut almost 4 months since obsydia debut )
Council trailer - 1072063 views
81827 likes
7925 comments
Ethyria Trailer - 572230 views
7393 likes
801 comments
Obsydia Trailer - 1488523 views
9903 likes
858 comments
The ads are working for views but fucking hell the engagement is so fucking bad.

>> No.11014312

>>11014244
It isn't, it's just hypocritical considering their CEO was talking about how they "preferred organic growth" which then got parroted by all the nijiniggers infesting the board until it became a meme, so this is just them rubbing it in the nijinig's faces.
You don't hear any complaining about all the indies who run ads, for instance.

>> No.11014374

>>11011876
Everybody knows that Gura and Marine would be right up there with Pekora and Miko if they streamed more. However, having to constantly talk to people and be entertaining can be mentally draining. Pekora and Miko are just built different and they are being recognized for their endurance.

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>>11014312
>their CEO was talking about how they "preferred organic growth"
No way that "hololive unsustainable bubble growth" and "nijisanji slow and steady organic growth" cope comes all the way up from the CEO.

Actually I can believe this, that the CEO himself lurks this thread and try to defend the honor of his company

>> No.11014390

>>11014291
Literally the times the engagement. Wow

>> No.11014412

>>11014312
Their CEO doesn't have shit to do with NijiEN, I thought it was some pahjeet and some out of touch suits.
>>11014386
Naw, he's a chill dude for the most part.

>> No.11014423

>>11014292
>Solid
Streamers don't generally put ads of themselves to other streamers channels. What they're doing is literally playing dirty against their competitor. I wonder when Omega or Yagoo grew some balls and encourage Holos to straight up use the raid function from YT.

>> No.11014430

>>11014291
>Council trailer - 1,072,063 views
>81,827 likes
>7,925 comments

>Ethyria Trailer - 572,230 views
>7,393 likes
>801 comments

>Obsydia Trailer - 1,4885,23 views
>9,903 likes
>858 comments
High level shitpost material.

>> No.11014449

>>11014386
to be fair it is his fucking job to keep his investors happy, and he said it during an interview so of course he's going to try and paint his company in as good a light as possible, unlike the nijiniggers who do it for free and to get (you)s

>> No.11014453

>>11014412
>Their CEO doesn't have shit to do with NijiEN, I thought it was some pahjeet and some out of touch suits.
That's the way nips work when they want to expand "abroad"

>set up a whole owned subsidiary
>put a hand picked trusted head that answers only to the HQ board
>let them do their thing
>kill the whole thing if it doesn't work without losing face at home

>> No.11014485

>>11014423
Uh, they actually do, you just don't see them. Not to long ago there was an indie who had her cover of ahoy as an ad

>> No.11014492

>>11014291
>>11014430
Ethyria got better engagement than Obsydia

>> No.11014495
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>>10996526
>>10996576
>Why do so many animators like her that much?
Actually the reason is even simpler: a majority of animators are closet lolichads. I know because I'm one

>> No.11014501

>>11014423
Literally the best and most interested demographic in the entire world for their product is people who watch other English language vtubers. That money goes to Cover and the talents too, so it's a win-win.

>> No.11014522

>>11014251
Nico had a problem with lewd and/or roleplay ASMR there becoming more and more like JOI(if you've seen Marine's parody of a lewd countdown video that's one of the ways how), which their advertisers didn't like, so they overtightened the screw and her videos would be hit even though she wasn't that far out there.

>> No.11014537

>>11014312
How are ads not organic growth? Every company relies on ADVERTISEMENT to sell their product.

>> No.11014544

>>11014495
Yeah, that doesn't explain it at all otherwise there would have at least as many Luna animations.

>> No.11014578

>>11014537
>How are ads not organic growth?
If ads are "organic" then that word means nothing.

"Organic" used to mean "word of mouth", for instance, as opposed to "manufactured" for "spread through advertisement"

>> No.11014615

>>11014537
And here comes the nijiidiot to pretend to be retarded so hard all discussion stops to call you a retard
I hope they are paying you well for this and you aren't doing it for free

>> No.11014631

>>11014291
Bad as in not as good as council's?

>> No.11014667

>>11014578
>>11014615
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_growth
>Organic business growth is related to the growth of natural systems and organisms, societies and economies, as a dynamic organizational process, that for business expansion is marked by increased output, customer base expansion, or new product development, as opposed to mergers and acquisitions, which is inorganic growth
Nothing inorganic about running ads in a business sense. Seems holobronies don't know anything business terminology.

>> No.11014695

>>11014631
Yes

>> No.11014730

>>11014695
Didn't obsydia trailer had ads too?

>> No.11014745

>>11014730
They all do, what about it?

>> No.11014762

>>11014730
All of them do. Lazulight, Obsydia, and Elytra have ads.

>> No.11014793

>>10996526
And here it is
https://youtu.be/5UxqEx1TF0o

>> No.11014809

>>11014291
>Ethyria Trailer - 572230 views / 7393 likes
>Obsydia Trailer - 1488523 views / 9903 likes

>>11014631
>Bad as in not as good as council's?
Bad as in bad for real even compared with regular Niji levels of engagement

Here, for reference with Kuzuha videos with similar number of views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kARZCMRO61s
>576,271 views / 8.8K likes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3KtvOY1ack
>1,018,967 views / 12k likes

Those are just two random ass Kuzuha videos not remarkable in any way, shape or form because, if you pick a remarkable video of his, the engagement is on the roof

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IND6zn6kTJY
> 598,159 views / 57k likes

>> No.11014834

>>11007684
i call bs on pekora's total
expect miko on top 3 next quarter
cover should push a collab between these 2, they already did umisea might as well "revive" pekomiko

>> No.11014843

>>11014809
Any other western vtuber company can get the same level of engagement for their announcement trailer?

>> No.11014847

>>11014667
Organic business growth =\= Marketing scheme/strat(Ads)

E.g - The growth of NijiEN fans is boosted by the ads. Is it organic? No. More like like artificial.

>> No.11014861

>>11014667
WTF, are you REALLY using the definition for "organic growth of a company revenue" (sales vs. mergers) and applying to the context being talked in this thread, which is
>growth of ones userbase through word of mouth vs ads
?
I'll have to agree with >>11014615 and assume you are pretending to be a retard

>> No.11014873

>>11014847
Stop engaging with the niji retard, it's what he wants

>> No.11014885

>>11014793
Holy cow...

>> No.11014893

>>11014244
YouTube algorithm punishes poor engagement.

>> No.11014918
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>>11012971
That was a member stream that got switched midstream. It's really hard for those to get any numbers. As you can see from today's cr cup scrims. Towa put up an unlisted member stream and linked it on twitter an hour in when she switched it to public and matsuri actually beat her today.

>> No.11014922

>>11014843
>Any other western vtuber company
kek, that's a terribly restrictive question given that there are pretty much only 3 vtuber companies with any expression in the west, and only 2 with presence on Youtube
>Hololive
>Nijisanji

>> No.11014937

>>11014843
Veibae joins Vshojo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJMySRJ1ZQc
148110 views
13104 likes
Compare those numbers to anything. It's really pathetic.

>> No.11014973

>>11014847
>>11014861
Nijisanji and NijiEN is a business like any other. The ads are simply business expansion. It's not just about sales. You failed business and economy class.

>> No.11014981

>>11014893
Wait, so the ads have a chance of hurting them? That's counterintuitive.

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11014990

>>11014793
Speaking of engagement

>36 minutes in
>3.4k likes

>> No.11015009

>>11014793
Wew this was good. He merged both VAs to one video.

>> No.11015036

Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

>> No.11015060

>>11014973
Anon, please stick to the context of the discussion. I truly doubt "organic growth" in any context discussed in this thread means
>NijiEN grew by hiring chuubas instead of by merging VShojo in

There is nothing wrong with buying ads, as you say, it is trying to expand the customer base like any other business would.
It is just not "organic growth" in any context that makes sense for the discussion being held in this thread.

"Organic" in this context means "growth without an explicit action by the company", usually through word of mouth. That's the opposite of what growth by buying ads is.

>> No.11015086

>>11014990
What timing too, Gura is just about to start DMC 4 today.

>> No.11015125

>>11015060
You are mentioning the CEO talking about preferring "organic growth" in relation to his business and using ads as a counterpoint that he doesn't. There's no contradiction here. Using ads in a business sense is still organic growth. Both Nijisanji and hololive have used ads since forever.

>> No.11015140

>>11014990
I wonder how engagement on shit like this helps with the algorithm. Maybe NijiEN should low key hire a few meme animators instead of some google ads.

>> No.11015171

>>11015140
Sorry, can't buy what they're making for free out of passion.

>> No.11015175

>>11015140
Nah, just get more react channels to react to your clips.

>> No.11015206

>>11015140
The difference is that meme animators does it for free. NijiEN's revenue wouldn't be enough to cover one video from Dudul or 2 snacks maybe. They could only rely on Selen shitty animating skill.

>> No.11015228

>>11015125
>You are mentioning the CEO talking about preferring "organic growth" in relation to his business
Was he talking in the context of “mergers and acquisitions” as your attempt at a counterexample at >>11014667 tried to imply?
If not, then he definitely wasn’t implying “organic growth” and “buying ads to be displayed at your competition videos to increase your userbase” are equivalent.

Anyway, this discussion became a “IT IS”, “IT IS NOT!” so let’s just agree there is a fundamental disagreement here and let it go

>> No.11015255

>>11015140
>Maybe NijiEN should low key hire a few meme animators
Here is something I say for the longest time
>you cannot buy what’s given for free

>> No.11015268

>>11015228
It's typical business terminology, so I doubt he meant something else.

>> No.11015294

>>11015140
>hire a few meme animators
These are people who do passion projects. Money won't buy that passion no matter how hard you try.
There is a guy Mechanico who translated the entire usaken festival just out of passion , you are not going to be able to buy this ever.
Here's the premiere in 7 hours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI-cS4h8McM

>> No.11015323

>>11015228
see >>11015036

>> No.11015357

>>11015206
>They could only rely on Selen shitty animating skill.
Anon, Haachama fastest growing cover and most of her MMD videos are either crudely animated by herself on MMD or by Haatons, then voiced by her

For instance, VEAH
https://youtu.be/mRCfFS0SsCk

It’s not about quality. I believe that, if the end result is entertaining, Selen should just go for it and do it

>> No.11015405

>>11015294
Only 3h20m. Short for Mechanico, no wonder he got it out this quick.

>> No.11015414

>https://forbesjapan.com/articles/detail/38187/1/1/1
>ファンの数を増やしていくなかで、田角は言う。「強引にファンを獲得すればコンテンツの消費が早くなる。持続的にファンの心をつかみ、長期で応援されるような『文化』にしたい」。
All these holobronies in here and still they deny Riku's vision. Let's face it, Nijisanji has created a stable culture that will last for a long time because they do not forcibly acquire fans.

>> No.11015416

>>11015140
I'll be honest with you, the amount of money it'd take to hire someone to make a meme animation of that length is probably several times what they paid for ads, possibly combined. That's alot of money to throw on a project with uncertain return on investment.

>> No.11015469

>>11015414
Slow and steady bro, do you just have this shit bookmarked just for us? I'm touched.

>> No.11015500

>>11015416
Imagine paying a lot for animation only to see
>50k views

I weep for all of those who paid ALOT for their MVs of originals and get less views e.g Aki. Maybe throw in some nijis as well, I haven't gotten used to how small the numbers of Kagami's pierce was for a mid tier male niji.

>> No.11015529

>>11015414
> 強引にファンを獲得すれば
I wonder how this squares with “putting ads on competition videos”

>> No.11015532

>>11015416
Well they’re paying for songs from well known Japanese artists, and then have to pay ads for plays on those as well.

>> No.11015533

>>11015414
How did they forcibly acquire fans? The hololive clips just appealed to people so they checked out the actual vtubers.

>> No.11015571

>>11015533
You don’t understand, Hololive clips are laced with subliminal messages that force anyone who watches them to watch Hololive!

>> No.11015605

>>11015357
End result would still be <100k views. Hours and days of effort for a failed shitpost. Just look at their English channel. There's a lot of shorts spam on top of those niji anime snack time that got like less than 20k views. Even if they tried to make a shitpost, it had to also be suitable too. I could see them making a comedy skit with selen haha as background crowd laughter. That VEAH Hachaama was too good and in line with her character.

>> No.11015670

>>11015532
And that'd still be less money than what they'd have to pay to get an animated video like that, assuming they are paying market rate for it. We touched on this way back when the HoloAlt trailer dropped about how even Cover, with all their newfound wealth, would probably bankrupt themselves trying to fund a full length OVA.
A 5 minute animated short like that would probably run them close to a 30k dollars on the low end. That's probably more money than they've spent on all three waves of ads.

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>>11015571
>Hololive clips are laced with subliminal messages
Well…?

>> No.11015689

>>11015414
>stable culture
>manjisanji

>do not forcibly acquire fans
>buys ad placement on hololive videos

>> No.11015701

>>11015679
wtf i love ojou now

>> No.11015702

>>11015414
alright niji is slow and steady already jesus christ now can you stop?

>> No.11015723

>>11015679
I want to buy her merch and music now.

>> No.11015767

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBmpMMkXz6Y

Gura's Ankou dance is already at 3.4 mil.

>> No.11015797

>>11015679
HOLY SHIT! So *this* is the Ayame you guys talk about so much?
I watched exclusively 2 views and Kuzuha to this day, hating everything about Hololive until this very moment but… but…
>I’M WITH HER NOW!

>> No.11015822

>>11015571
kinda. haachama puts out a lot of content with subliminal and superliminal advertising.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvOHijJqups
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyeunIMPYKo

>> No.11015887

>>11015767
Pretty sure I shared it here 30? hours ago with only 800k views

>> No.11015920

>>11015767
It gains views faster than Lightning Mcqueen after Gura mentioned it.(Well it is shorter, easy to loop)

>> No.11015931

>>11015767
>>11015887
Yeah, someone superchatted Gura about it last night and she watched it on stream so it got a massive boost in exposure.

>> No.11015941

>>11015140
That is low key the secret weapon for Hololive. So many fans willing to do the advertising for them. Animated projects that get millions of views and Cover doesn't have to lift a finger. That isn't even counting the hoard of clippers.

>> No.11015949

>>11015920
https://livecounts.io/compare/youtube-live-view-counter/HoTbtvF1iSw/youtube-live-view-counter/hBmpMMkXz6Y
Here is the growth comparison

>> No.11015951
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>>11015605
That’s the thing anon, even if it completely bombs it will still generate engagement and, who knows, may cross the “so bad it’s good” line for memes.

For shittier that these “Am X” shorts by Kiara are
https://youtu.be/8_lI-HwTbsc
she’s putting them out there, trying.

Risu got her big break from those too, with NNN

>> No.11015962

Tomorrow I will spend a few thousand bucks and buy Hololive’s ads everywhere. I hope some of you anons will screenshot it, it’ll be fun.

>> No.11016062

>>11015941
They are just bandwagoners hopping on the bandwagon. They'll move to something else since the hololive fad is already dying out.

>> No.11016072

>>11015962
You don't need to do that. The subreddit ensures organic growth for Holos everytime a post gets to r/all or the legion of clippers that feeds the algorithm food to make sure all Hololive content gets to recommended. If Cover buys a topic on twitter, it wod ensure high engagement of artists and fanarts, greatly benefiting both sides. The pixiv event is already doing its work with the raid thing.

>> No.11016079

>>11016062
Yes and that something else will be NijiEN. 2 more weeks.

>> No.11016092

>>11015951
Nice numbers for such pathetic content. Terrible

>> No.11016105

>>11015951
Those series of vids were actually a suggestion from KFP for low effort content when she’s on break.

>> No.11016111

>>11015767
https://youtu.be/MFTf7MN9WUk
This might have something to do with it

>>11016062
Yeah, that'll happen any day now. Any day now...

>> No.11016128

>>11016072
>The pixiv event is already doing its work with the raid thing.
QRD?

>>11015962
You jest but some clipper bought ads whose content was unaltered scenes of Hologra, linking to his clip channel.

>> No.11016133

>>11016079
Gypsy fortune telling anon is here.

>> No.11016151

Although Gura dropped a bit in sub growth, it’s still not below what she had at times before. But I noticed that all the other Gen1 dropped pretty significantly in sub growth after Gen2 came out.

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Speaking of videos, Kanata's character song is about to hit the one million mark

>> No.11016203
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11016203

>>11016111
Top kek, and >>11014631 asks if failing to get 10k likes on an ad propelled debut trailer is only “Bad as in not as good as council's”

A trailer of a reaction of a video getting more than that should answer it

>> No.11016216

>>11016128
>Pixiv X HoloMyth event
>Draw fanarts of them and beat the myths
>Winners gets exclusive prizes
Can't numberfag the number of entries honestly. I'm new to the site.

>> No.11016229

>>11016203
A “clip” of a reaction, I mean

>> No.11016519

>>11016151
>But I noticed that all the other Gen1 dropped pretty significantly in sub growth after Gen2 came out.
While that’s true they were all buffed from the outfit reveals in May, and the recent drop is a “return to the mean” mostly unconnected with EN2.

Calli catching up to Pekora seems to indicate she didn’t lose momentum in relation to the rabbit

>> No.11016664

>>11016072
is buying a tiwtter topic even worth it? niji dominates the twitter envirment but dont really transalte to views eaxctlyy

>> No.11016743

>>11016664
jesas

>> No.11016850

>>11016664
>this is your mind on numbers
Can’t even make sense of letter anymore

>> No.11016877
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>>11016519
No, I’ve been tracking them from before and after the outfit reveal. Ina was also hit particularly hard, and her current sub growth is lower than I think I ever seen it before. A 40% decrease and at 1k subs daily now.

>> No.11016913

https://livecounts.io/compare/youtube-live-view-counter/HoTbtvF1iSw/youtube-live-view-counter/hBmpMMkXz6Y
Ankha dance might surpass Lightning McQueen in terms of views tomorrow

>> No.11016939

>>11016664
Just a quick example to support this anon's statement.
Subaru's 3D live tweet today (19.6k likes, 95k peak)
https://twitter.com/oozorasubaru/status/1446044469116104704

Kenmochi tweeting out that he's doing a collab today (25.8k likes, 31k peak):
https://twitter.com/rei_Toya_rei/status/1445967636454526983

>>11016850
Numberrotted brain is a serious condition.
Pls andastan

>> No.11016989

Niji twitter numbers are always insane but it doesn't really covert into anything, I don't know where they're getting these likes and retweets from cause they're losing to Holo in nearly every metric.
I always found it weird.

>> No.11017034

>>11016939
I get Nijisanji tweets in my timeline all the time and I only follow myth and a couple JP girls.

>> No.11017051
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11017051

ID relay tomorrow
>PREDICTIONS?
Missing reservations are Anya and Iofi.

Also: who will get the highest numbers:
>the highest ID
>Roboco left turning a 2021 Nokia snake

>> No.11017072

>>11016989
>>11016664

>> No.11017095
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11017095

Grabbed SC numbers from Holo/Niji EN branches, 12 most recent monetized streams from each individual. Numbers are from playboard, but I put them all on a table to make it easier to see. I was hoping to see where all you paypigs are throwing your monies at recently, lmao.

>> No.11017103

>>11016989
Hololive bots their subs and views. It's common knowledge now after the Council catastrophe exposed them.

>> No.11017113

>>11017051
>predictions?
shit numbers, unless kind jps/ens attend

>> No.11017147

>>11017095
IRyS makes that much? What the fuck.

>> No.11017194

>>11017147
She has a lot of gachikoi apparently.

>> No.11017221

>>11017095
Holy shit, ClockGirl what?

>> No.11017237

>>11017147
She's pretty much a HoloJP who's fluent in EN language and culture.

>> No.11017255

>>11017095
>Kronii
expected
>IRyS
WTF

>> No.11017265

>>11016989
The same way how reddit upvotes don't translate to actual viewers, neither does twitter likes and retweets translate to actual viewers
Alternatively Nijisanji buys twitter bots, choose to believe whichever one is more amusing to you.

>> No.11017276

>>11017095
The counter to end all "NijiEN makes more than Council" baits. But still, rrat left open a dire hole to the counter. I wished she doesn't play shitty games.

>> No.11017280

>>11017103
GIVE ME A N

>> No.11017297

>>11017280
GIVE ME AN I

>> No.11017317

>>11017276
Rrat is the comedian of the group and the comedian always gets the lowest superchats. Just look at Miko and Pekora. Even both of them are rather low in comparison to their viewership.

>> No.11017326

Wait why at this time, that slow and steady nijicope anon is online? I'm a SEAfag and it's 3:40am here. He's not ours. Why is there a westerner defending niji?

>> No.11017422

>>11017326
Europeans are always the worst schizos

>> No.11017549

>anime failed
>music project failed
>Evangelion collab failed
>Vsinger failed
>EN2 failed and got caught sub-botting
>hololive on a massive decline right now and not recovering even with the Minecraft arc going on
I don't feel so good holobronies... maybe the Nijichads are right and the Cover bubble is about to explode.

>> No.11017664

>>11017147
>>11017255
What can I do? She is a cute little dorky succubus

>> No.11017667

>>11017326
is probably the pomu poster

>> No.11017702

>>11017326
Wasn't that dude most active during american time? He must have gotten some time off from work and decided to spend it shitposting

>> No.11018018

>>11017978
>>11017978
>>11017978
New thread

>> No.11018365

>>11016203
Another hour later and that clip is at 300k

A lot of animators will be spamming, or at least give a shot at animating Gura this month.

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