/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

comfy thread

How does a solo Kanae stream get more numbers than a Kanae collab

What happened to Nijisanji? They fell off hard this month.

>>11341229
Back to normal since previous months had their summer events buffs.

Does Nijisanji produce anything similar to HoloGra? I feel like HoloGra is helping Hololive brand a lot with each episode gaining at least 800k-1m views per week and attracting more algo favoritism.

>>11341229
Cicadas gone

>>11341541
Chocosanji
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3XQqlVfqj4&list=PLout9ZF2aCT-vjSf98-cTtwNAivjjpSBC&index=9
Not that great performance. They're very awkward. And I'm saying this as a Nijisaji fan. I feel waves of cringe watching it.

>>11341541
they tried, but it's even more unfunny and cringe than some of the hologra. Holomem actually gets VA lessons though so their acting's more natural.

>>11341126
split?

>>11341758
One's Apex the other's Pico Park.

>>11341126
just like gura!

>>11341652
I always felt like the shading/lighting for some Nijisanji models are weird and inconsistent.
Newer Hololive models feel a lot more consistent with how shading/lighting is done.
Can't really explain it properly. I think it may just be that Hololive uses outlines on their models where it doesn't look like Nijisanji does.

>>11340757
Hal?

>>11341541
JP-side has Chocosanji and Puchisanji. The former is cringe voice acting with 3D models, the later just takes a scene (including audio) from a recent popular stream and makes a lightly animated short for it.
EN-side has something called Nijiscenario that will be coming out in a couple of days. It was originally announced as "original animated scenarios with characters voiced by NijiEN", but that might have changed since then. We'll find out soon.

>>11340757
oh my fucking good!
was it holoday or you delete some niji streams?

>>11341901
Apex ranked.
>>11341868
Their models are inconsistent because of the variation in art style, like Ibrahim has deeper hair shadows than Melissa who's drawn more washed out

>full myth collab

>>11341981
I guess I am not the only one that stopped watching the TTRPG after the first stream.

>>11341981
Wow, can't wait to see the numbers for next episode.

>>11341868
this>>11341964
+some relatively new niji members ve got old live2d (Oliver's from 2019)

>>11342037
2 week, sometimes longer, breaks between each episode
Jumps between channels
Multipart debuff
Unsurprisingly causes numbers to dropm even the next one being on Gura's channel, unless it's like "FINAL OF CAMPAIGN' or something is gonna get 'bad' numbers. I get that it takes time to plan inbetween each stream and all the other shit she has going on, but the long inconsistent breaks really kills momentum.

>>11341981
>full myth collab
oh ty,anon. i forgot TTRPG is today.
will watch it later

>>11342037
this>>11342112
+i guess you never watched TTRPG campaigns, didnt you

>>11342037
It's better when you watch VODs, not live because it tends to get dragged. Playback from VODs and the speed up function takes way less time.

Honestly, if I want to compare, then I'd compared VShojo and Myth's TTRPG numbers but even then, TTRPG is super fucking boring.

Vshojo is getting MC buff, they are being leeches again. And why the fuck is Cover not scouting for ES branch already, Nimu is bascially uncontested at this point.

>>11342308
Vshojo's TTRPG is still mogging Holo-decline though. Nobody is watching your goddamn group anymore.

>>11341652
Oh, it's that snack time from niji's english channel too. I only watched Fuwa's one while searching for numbers on the english channel because I was curious why it was labeled as anime yet it has shit views. Didn't think nijifags also share the same sentiment that it's cringe.

>>11342372
>twitch "numbers"
anyway..

>>11342354
>>11342372
>1 minute between post
Samefag

>>11341229
>Eventsanji
>No event

>>11341981
>TTRPG

>>11342411
No it's definitely trash and feels forced which is hilarious because when you hear the voice acting in VPs it's miles different for almost all of them. Can't put my finger on it but the cuts in between sentences are so fast, and it's like the directors caught the Nijis walking home and said "hey quickly record this line with no context and make sure to sound like a robot". The movements are also awkward.
Hologra is less cringe but still annoying to me, however it's more "wacky" and memeable.

>>11342372
>nijiniggers got mogged so hard this month they couldn't even face the reality

>>11341541
They have
But nobody cares

>11342354
nimu has like only a third of mouse suscribers even tough she has more follower than her.

>>11342578
The post didn't even mention Nijisanji
R___ F___

Yesterday's superchats (sorry for the delay)

Apparently Bao had a clip that went Viral on tiktok.

https://www.tiktok.com/@boxbox/video/7016079922309451014

6million plays, 1.3mil likes in less than a week.

>>11341981
Id say Mori being quite a pussy last session turned off some people from the campaign.

>>11343207
Why? What did she do?

>>11343182
Why is the sultan so high?

>>11343317
Hit 400k subs

>>11343195
https://www.tiktok.com/@boxbox/video/7017604003676704006

Part 2 released two days ago already 3mil views and 500k likes. Quite impressive how well these clips are being pushed on tiktok's algorithm.

>>11343288
Lets just say things were getting intense and basically almost the entire party was in danger of being killed in a mansion full of vampires, then she made a scenario where Ina's character basically played rock-paper-scissors to the head vampire to get them all out. Also Ame and Kiara were currently fighting against like bloodlusted twin vampires with skins hard enough that bullets barely damage them, but then Kiara manages to damage the eye of one of them, leading to the vampire crying out in pain on the ground while the other twin decide to give up and let them leave.

>>11343525
Plot armor I see

>>11343195
>>11343499
looking at her 3 days summary, she got +39.4% increase (she's a 1.5k streamer) https://sullygnome.com/channel/baoo/3
Hard to tell if the incline will last. Or maybe its just because of raids.

>>11343195
>>11343499
What's her relationship with Boxbox and what instigated this? I know the dude is a very popular League of Legends streamer - I used to watch him when I was into the game

Does it have something to do with Vienna?

>>11343575
I guess I should also mention prior to the fight, Kiara was struggling for like 3 turns to break out of being hypnotized by the vampire, who within that time frame just bound her up and stripped her naked. Ina also actually did nothing significant to warrant the offer but for some reason the head vampire was like admiring her group for sneaking in so he was willing to let them just get away if she won a game against him. It was actually a bit of shame cause Gura's character seemed to have found the solution out of the sticky situation they got themselves in with her idea of setting the mansion on fire but they ended up going for Ina's gamble instead.

is Gura actually gonna hit 4mil before Ai hits 3?

>>11343751
She is in Cloud 9

>>11343207
I'd argue it's less "less people are interested in the sessions anymore" and more "they didn't properly advertise where the collab would be streamed".

All 5 of them only place TTRPG in their schedule, so unless you knew that they were cycling whoever's channel they were going to stream on next, and knew that it was Amelia's, the casual viewer wouldn't know where they were supposed to catch the stream. Add in to the fact that Amelia only made her stream reservation like 1-2 hours before the stream, then most people who would have been interested in watching would have had no idea they were supposed to watch it at Amelia's channel.

>>11343841
OH SHIT, BAO IS IN CLOUD9? FUCK YOU JACK, IF YOU CAN GET BAO IN CLOUD9, THEN GIVE ME BACK SNEAKY YOU MOTHERFUCKER

>>11343841
>>11343873
Huh? Vienna is in Cloud9 but Bao isn't

>>11343195
Who the fuck is this and why should I care?

>>11344067
I was asking what instigated Boxbox to make a Baobot and asked if Vienna had anything to do with it because I already knew Vienna was in C9 and she's friends with League of Legends content creators.

You answered with "She is in C9" which led me to believe that Bao was in C9, and that was the reason why Boxbox made content about Bao.

Again, for clarity - Why did Boxbox suddenly decide to make Bao content?

>>11344119
https://www.theloadout.com/league-of-legends/boxbox-bao-bot
This one?

>>11344347
Yeah, some anon posted how clips of Bao recording voicelines for Boxbox got over 1 million views on Tiktok, which made me ask why they even got to collab in the first place or why Boxbox decided to use Bao's voice

why does hololive have so many great tracking websites?

With Botan getting 1M in less than a week. Will the remaining Gen5 reach the milestone together?
Also,
>Twappi is honorary Gen 5

holo still occupying top 6 trends, seems like mio fell off though

Wait Anya is not holoJP?!

>>11344772
>Twappi is honorary Gen 5
she will have to fight Suisei for that place

>>11344707
My theory is that Nijisanji, in the past (and even now), did publish their own numberfagging, reducing the need for external tools

>>11344925
YWNBAJ

>>11344922
That hashtag is too strong that already used by typical bots

>>11344944
Sora considers Suzy Gen 3 though and we can't go against her

>>11344947
More like Niji loves striking external tools, discouraging fans from creating fan contents.
There's not much unity either, so it's not an uncommon sight to see niji fans seething and sperging when their oshi isn't prioritized or doing well.

>>11344947
Nijisanji has tons of Twitter bots they're just poorly maintained or miss videos/comments. Youtube ranking videos get striked commonly (member ranking and original song ranking) Their exclusive site for numberfagging streams also is dying. Holo's tools are made by non nips aka actual functioning websites not built by people who live in the stone age and still FAX PAPERS

So, I got recommended by YT on Ethyria's new song and was kinda surprised it went near 400k now. Last time I saw it was around 180k. So I checked through PB to see the growth rate. Live and feedback is unusual, views keeps coming in but feedback fell off one day or two days after the release of the song. Did they advertise this song?

>>11345102
Can't you check ad status on Playboard?

>>11345073
>Holo's tools are made by non nips
I think Hololyzer is made by nips

>>11345055
>>11345073
>strikes
Well, I can see why Nijisanji, since q certain point in 2020, doesn’t want they numbers to get lots of attention

See >>11303250, >>11303335, >>11303744, >>11303936

>>11345127
I don't know if they could do that. I'm just inferring from the trends it displayed on playboard.

>>11345073
Hololyzer is definitely made by nips

>>11345150
The striked videos aren't livecount videos as several still exist on Youtube, in fact 2434million is their most well tended Twitter bot account. It's original songs and membership bot trawling that gets stricken often.

>>11344992
the truth is that Suzy is part of every gen at the same time. thats why she joined the traditional gen5 get together and no one said anything

So, was it graph anon or chart anon that wanted to make a piyo/vnuma equivalent? I want to see the day where Anykara seethe that their data is displayed to everyone one day if the site gets traction from people outside this board. >>11345150

Also, data from Vshojo and Sony's vtubers.

>>11343838
Most likely yes, Kizuna Ai's sub count hasn't moved since June

>>11345197
Idk how many times I have to say this in this thread but money earned and live view count mumberfagging isn't stricken by Anycolor.

>>11345235
what the fuck...
the scary thing is Gura has the potential to grow even faster

Well, no big numbers are going to be coming in for another hour or so, so lets do some hypothetical discussion. It's November 2020 and for whatever reason, you are put in charge of heading up Nijisanji's EN branch. What would you have done differently to make the branch succeed?

>>11345322
Rebrand NijiID to EN instead.

* Tonight's NijiEN numbers *
Seems like most members have a hard "glass ceiling" at 2k and breaking through it requires extraordinary feats.

Selen, Elira and to a certain extent Pomu have a momentum in their swing that, when they're trying hard enough, they can break through it.
The rest? Takes a combination of efforts and sometimes "illegal view funnelling".

4k tho, seems unattainable barred extraordinary circumstances and 10k seems out of reach.

>>11345322
>It's November 2020
thats already to late to change that much...
got to start at least at the point where they rebranded that one branch as EN preferably even earlier so you can convince the JP branch to reach out more to EOPs

>>11345322
I've said it before, their main issue is trying to imitate hololive almost to the letter, thus ensuring that they will forever stand in hololive's shadow. As seen in the case of WoW and CoD, you cannot overtake the market leader by offering a product that is similar to the market leader, but with X, because people just won't take the effort to switch over for minor differences.
Personally, what I would've done is debut either a non human character, like Debi or the dog, or a male in the first wave. Preferably both. You need to make it clear, immediately, visually, what makes nijisanji different from hololive to avoid being labled as yet another hololive knockoff. Vshojo managed to do this by both being on twitch and going in on the pee pee poo poo crass humour, but I don't think that's a viable option for Nijisanji

>>11345394
Yeah, but that wouldn't result in much interesting discussion because the obvious solution would just be "Beat cover to the punch"

>>11345322
Drop the Nijisanji memes. Nijification is a bad meme that filters newfags.
Telling newfags that they need to learn the nijisanji culture to enjoy nijisanji streams is a sure way to have a stagnant growth.
Probably it would be better to drop the nijisanji name. It's too japanese, not a good direction if you want to court EN viewers.

>>11345390
Except for Selen, all of them have sub 2k median peaks. As long as they're close to hitting 2k its an incline

>>11345322
Close the entire company, admit defeat to Hololive, and have Riku do naked dozega at Cover's headquarters in front of YAGOO. The entire thing would be broadcast on the official Hololive channel and narrated by A-chan.

>>11345322
Swear at the fact that whoever the fuck decided to try and rebrand IN to EN really fucked the pooch.
Then immediately announce auditions instead of waiting until December to do so. Instead of releasing two 3-man waves and then a 4 man, start off with a 5?4 man wave asap, then space the two 3-man waves out to hit 3 months after each other.
This does two things
-bigger starting wave lets more people get brought in as HoloEN dropoffs get bored and want to find something new
-better spacing means each wave gets a bit more time to develop.
Another thing is, try scouting with other non-indie variety streamers in mind sooner.
Another thing, IMO if Selen was in wave 1, NijiEN would be stronger overall as they could've brought in more people early on, giving a potential snowball effect.

>>11345390
>when they're trying hard enough,
you mean when they're not butting heads with every other NijiEn in one timeslot. Also a signature stream with Selen-Apex

>>11345322
Graduate them all but send Rin to my house

>>11345322
Debut a male wave and ride Myth's momentum

>>11345583
Debuting a male wave would be the high risk (potentially high/no) reward option. By choosing to go all-in on Manjisansji(eck) you give up on the audience that HoloEN courts to instead fight it out vs traditional streamers in the West. It's a bold strategy, and if you manage to scout correctly you take over that segment of the market, but oh boy that is a herculean task IMO. Anonimity is a debuff for males iirc, something that uhhhh dream mentioned in an interview he did. I'll need to double check that, but I do remember reading it. How anonimity means that certain things that a lot of the traditional Twitch streamers do are NG as someone who has to remain 'faceless'.
Basically you'd have to avoid all the wimpy losers that infest the current vtuber indie scene and find people that
-want to try out the whole vtuber thing
-have the confidence and skills to attract an audience
It's almost impossible, but who knows, if you manage to fish out a gura-tier talent you forever win the male vtuber market in the West.

>>11345322
This character should have been part of wave 1 and they should have named her Goor Goora

>>11345672
Yeah, rather than a male wave I'd just do what they did with the other foreign branches and debut a mixed gender wave. I have no idea why they didn't do that for this

>>11345672
It's the same for Hololive. It was high risk/high reward of them to make an EN branch. They even doubled down on the branch and kept Coco, graduated their CN branch to keep the momentum going for their EN fans happy. NIji playing it safe won't get them to great heights. It's evident even now they're playing it safe when an EN branch is lucrative and an early male wave could still prove a success. They only need to find a male content creator thats good in this and is willing to grind.

>>11345754
>I have no idea why they didn't do that for this
They fell for the
>what made Hololive succeed was "idolfaggotry" meme
No, really, Nijisanji threw their working cookbook out the window to try to carbon copy what they believed was the cause for Hololive success in the west
>all female
>cunny
without realizing that doing it without the first mover advantage would just solidify the audience on their competitors instead, and without realizing there was no relation of any of those factors above on HoloEN success

>>11345781
>graduated their CN branch to keep the momentum going for their EN fans happy
That was not the reason they graduated CN. Every foreign endeavour for Japanese companies are the same
>create a foreign subsidiary
>install a fully autonomous leadership answering only to the HQ board
>let them do their thing
>kill it if they fail, without losing face

When CN management failed miserably, both by releasing a contradictory statement to appease their local masters and when they led the girls to believe they would allow them to keep their models and software they sealed the fate of the subsidiary

WAIT, ROBOCO WHAT NOW?

She was the assassin in the start or what?

>>11345235
Oyabun ...

>>11345909
She's the most popular holo there by a fair bit so yeah alot of people flocked to her.

Kizuna AI had a lower CCV yesterday than every single one of the HoloJP streaming.
Last place for Holo was Sora, with a 2k zatsu.

The only Holo trailing Kizuna was Moona morning zatsu, with 1.1k but she had a 5k karaoke later in that day.

>>11345909
>be me
>saviour fagging Kotone with less than 300 viewers
Sometimes I wonder why I go to this thread when some of my favorites never appear here

>>11346074
because you like big numbers and you cannot lie

>>11345823
>without realizing there was no relation of any of those factors above on HoloEN success
Without the idol part, the Chinese clippers would never have started the clipper snowball effect in the first place that gave HoloEN it's initial audience in the West to begin with. Those chinese clippers were unironic idolfags that were doing it in part to push their oshis.

Nene?!
Numbers, anons?

https://twitter.com/58Y1WuGntkSOEdH/status/1448137914295091210
Even Vtuber CD is not safe from scalpers.

>>11346501
That's so weird, given that piracy is so trivial for it you'd think the only people buying it would be people who want to financially support Suisei which in turn would make them impossible to sell a scalped product to.

>>11346396
Yea...I know the board has a (justified) hate on for 'bugs', but anyone who wants to try and downplay the effect that CN clippers, specificly Hololive Moments, had on the EN vtuber sphere is in denial. Without them, the level of exposure that the EN audience had to Hololive would be much reduced, and HoloEN wouldn't have taken off nearly as hard as it did.
Of course they screwed it up by thinking that they were bigger than the talents themselves, so they were rightfully exiled and memoryholed from the collective consciousness of the fanbase.

>>11346501
That is...
Uh. Hrm. Market shortages and all that I guess. I shouldn't be surprised, but here I am, surprised. It's so weird, since there's definitely a restock happening too.

>>11346545
really I think Chinese clippers are important for holoJP. But Hololive was already a really big name in 9/2020.
I don't think CN clippers matter that much anymore. And we still have SEAclippers

>>11346501
Still Still Scalping

>>11346486
Not the first time she's watched Jujutsu Kaisen on Twitch, she got like 2k-3k last time.

>>11344992
by "joining hololive main branch date"
Miko joined 1/2 between Gamers and Gen 3
Suisei joined the same month as Gen4 debut, then she moved in with them so, pretty much Gen4.

>>11346623
Oh yea, CN clippers nowadays serve Taiwan and China, for those that still skirt the firewall for the wider web. Many clippers rose up to take advantage of the rising popularity of Hololive early-mid 2020, and they FEASTED when Hololive Moments fell to the ground.
>>11346653
Got a chuckle out of me.

>>11346545
The CN clippers were cannibalizing each other, even copyright striking other clipping channels. Non-CN clippers already had good numbers and subs even before the CN clippers.
Hololive Moments got big by killing off and stealing from other clippers to direct traffics to their channel.
It's just Holo-antis keep mentioning them to downplay other factors that propel hololive popularity.

>>11341914
The EN thing sounds interesting and might be a good boost for them, but the name is kind of stupid. Should have workshopped that one a little more.

>>11346709
Myth debuted around mid September, Hololive Moments died around the start of October.
Yeah they were important to HoloJP but not holoEN

>>11341981
I think rotating it amongst all the channels was a mistake. I understand why they did it, and it makes sense, but in practice you shave off a small slice of your audience every time you switch channels to one a person doesn't follow, they miss an episode, and lose interest in the project. It should really all just be on Mori's channel and they can split the revenue 5 ways if it's really an issue.

>>11346719
Hmm. I'll have look into it, wasn't aware they were THAT scum, but I'm not surprised. I still maintain that HM dying definitely helped jump up many of the existing clip channels though, as is bound to happen when something so big implodes overnight.

So, something I think don't see mention that often when it comes to Hololive numbers is their previous game collabs(Muse Dash, and especially Azur Lane). This is, to me, an important factor, since those games have an actual playerbase in global, thus more reach

Some Nijibros can fill me in on this, since I don't watch them, but if I remember correctly, there's no such thing with Niji, right?

How much contribution do you think those kind of game collabs are, in the big picture?

>>11346782
Many even ARE from Hololive moments, by end September they were already planning their exit.

>>11346545
I don't think they'd be THIS massive but they'd still be pretty huge without them as there'd be other clippers doing it and some would probably take off.

>>11346836
Azur Lane collab + Miko's nigga + Fubuki's scatman + Matsuri's bandage
The Four Horsemen of early Hololive

>>11346836
Niji had collab with Alchemy Stars https://twitter.com/AlchemyStarsJP/status/1403306016490635270?s=20
>How much contribution do you think those kind of game collabs are, in the big picture?
Well I knew Hololive from Azur Lane collab actually and I believe a lot of people are also the same. Before the Azur Lane collab I only knew Kizuna Ai and Kaguya Luna.

>>11346893
>Fubuki's scatman
Can confirm, was dragged because of this. Shit just showed up in my youtube

>>11346836
>>11346901 (Me)
There is also collab with a mobage called Last Period. I wonder if Manjuu (AL's developer) regret not being able to collab with the current Hololive.

>>11346396
>Without the idol part, the Chinese clippers would never have started the clipper snowball effect in the first place that gave HoloEN it's initial audience in the West to begin with
Wut? When HoloEN dropped Hololive Moment and other zhang clippers were almost on their way out.

I say Twitter and Gura's "A" had a much bigger impact on the propagation of HoloEN in the west than clippers.


>>11346545
>but anyone who wants to try and downplay the effect that CN clippers, specificly Hololive Moments, had on the EN vtuber sphere is in denial. Without them, the level of exposure that the EN audience had to Hololive would be much reduced, and HoloEN wouldn't have taken off nearly as hard as it did.
Well, yeah but only indirectly. They were one month out of being on their way out when HoloEN debuted

Ollie is getting 8k for her call in right now

>>11346782
Holo JP's popularity in the west from clips like Matsuri, Fubuki, Miko, Korone ect was instrumental in laying the groundwork for Holo EN to debut to 50k+ viewers rather than the expected Niji EN-like internal predictions Cover had made. So yeah, all the clippers really did help EN, but by the time of the debut they were redundant with all the other people making and soon to start making clips.

>>11346836
Ange was in some app and Mito & some girls sang a song for a mobile shooter and Kenmochi's outfit is on some pubg mobile ripoff but there's no gacha with a wide reach featuring Nijis. Their nonV exposure is best seen via merch I think, walking into anime places and seeing them, all the cafe collabs, irl normie clothes store collabs, etc.

>>11346970
Surprised it isn't going higher, not much else on and she's had a run of big callers (Miko, Subaru and now Rushia)

>>11346951
Honestly manjuu should just say fuck it and collab with hololive again, they are already getting fucked by the CCP for not bending the knee enough and most of their operations already moved to Japan ages ago

>>11346787
The whole thing should have been planned out beforehand so they could have done it every 2 weeks at most (but the members would have fucked that no matter what) and as you said, all on Mori's channel, especially since she's the organiser and GM. I hope if they do a season 2 they get a cast that can stick to a proper schedule.

>>11346836
Azur Lane gets mentioned a lot. It's probably the most important byproduct of the bilibili collab, which directly led to EOP growth

>>11346957
>I say Twitter and Gura's "A" had a much bigger impact on the propagation of HoloEN in the west than clippers.
Without the initial audience in the West that was borne of clips of JP members, Gura's 'A' and Mori's music would never have gained traction to begin with.

>>11346957
>Gura's "A"
Complete bullshit. By the time of HoloEn debut, Holo was on their peak. Without pre-existant en fanbase, nobody would even notice Gura and her "A".

>>11346951
probably. I honestly believe they were gearing up for a 2nd holo collab when FBK appeared in AL's 3rd JP anniversary(?). I was so hyped at the possibility of BattleSheep Watame

>>11346957
Speaking of Gura, I think Gura sang "baka mitai" for Coco in her first karaoke also had an impact to secure the fanbase to some extent.

I wonder if Elira could beat Ollie's birthday on the 16th

>>11347002
Can't unless they can get their families out safely. You can bet your ass that the moment they do officialy relocate, some CCP officers will 'kindly' come knocking on the doors of their relatives and then it's lights out. Until then, Manjuu be kinda in a bad spot.
Well, onto actual numbers, Towa and Kanata doing good numbers doing a Getting Over it head to head, but Towa is RIP as she fell all the way done back to start.

Kana-Towa collab almost 27k together.
Please festival see this and collab with holomems more.

>>11347116
Personally, the reason why I fell so deeply into hololive and stuck by them even during the low points was precisely because of the China arc where abandoning them felt like giving in to the chinks, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who felt that way

>>11346957
I think Coco and Haachama suspension after Taiwan case are more important than CN clipper.
I never knew Hololive before the news mentioned some vtuber girls harrassed by bugs just for mentioning Taiwan in their livestream.

Hololive Moments was nothing compared to what happened in Bilibili. Hololive blew up there. Fubuki got 1M subs, and this explosion led to the Muse Dash, Azur Lane, and other CN-IP collabs.
YouTube had a different environment. The clippers were either SEA or nips until the bugs tried an aggressive take over, and bailed after the Taiwan mentions.

>>11347013
>Without the initial audience in the West that was borne of clips of JP members
Hence, "indirectly". There is nothing exclusive about HoloEN that was caused by clippers, they caused the incline of HoloJP.

>>11346893
>Azur Lane collab + Miko's nigga + Fubuki's scatman + Matsuri's bandage
Those four in the early age, and also these four minor ones

>What can Hoshimachi Suisei do in 20 seconds ?
(Zhang origin, they to this day copy strike it on Youtube but it survives on Hololive Facebook official page)

>Pekora makes minecraft's strongest sword, throws it in lava for no reason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fmr21ZZEhk

>Haato Vomits on Stream While Eating Spicy Noodles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovHeHQm3pbg

>Miko tries to cleanup but ended up burning her house on fire for the second time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Knad1173M

They're from between May and July and caught a HUGE second wave of people that were not familiar vtubers or Hololive but that came in for the memes

May I ask why we are talking about CN clippers when the discussion is about EN market? Sure CN clippers made them famous in China and Taiwan but who were the initial push in EN clipping for JP only content?

>>11347053
I am not saying otherwise, what I am saying is that specifically for HoloEN what pushed their memes forward was not zhang clippers.

OF FUCKING COURSE HoloEN would not be anywhere if not on the top of the shoulder of giants but I don't think that's what's being discussed here, otherwise the discussion would just timeloop all the way back into when Mito changed the meta from uploads to live streams

>>11347255
Kek, that's the most shizo reason I've ever heard.

>>11346893
>>11347314
>No Korone or Aqua clip
Disgusting

>>11347362
I believe that you don't really understand that in a phrase "on the top of the shoulder of giants", those giants are zhang clippers.

>>11347320
Not a lot of numbers right now.

>>11347362
>Mito changed the meta from uploads to live streams
Nah, that's not really true. It's a propaganda made by nijiniggers trying to make their black company relevant.

>>11341981
Ame debuff

>>11346995
Umm... Duel Master's?

>>11347454
Nah, that's true. It's a cope holoniggers trying to spam to make their black company look relevant.

>>11346995
also sanbaka wendy's promotion

>>11347377
One of the most quintessential Aqua clip is her pulling herself on Azur Lane, but that was alreday discussed when people talked about Azur Lane
Here is the clip, deleted from Youtube but still on Twitter
https://twitter.com/shiroemon93/status/1202618322367369216

And here is the original stream, I thought these got got in the holopocalypse, seems like they're back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X33257dr9nU&t=1352

>>11347506
Most iconic one is this
https://youtu.be/fDEew8DMasY
That clip is 4.5m now.

>>11347481
Duel Masters is JP only and irrelevant to the West. Takara Tomy is nothing in the West compared to Bushiroad and Vanguard, Weiss, Bang Dream, D4DJ etc

>>11347445
Well, Kanae at least making sure Niji doesn't get shut out of the top 10 again unless something very weird happens (17k peak according to nijimado?)

How many people were watching the Cruncyroll vtuber live? She has almost 80k views on her debut now, close to what some of the recent Niji EN got.

>>11347443
>those giants are zhang clippers.
Wait, so anything that comes out of Hololive forever is "on the shoulder of zhang clippers"?

There must be a threshold where their influence is no longer felt otherwise in 2075, Hololive is debuting their Mars branch and people will be saying
>well, they new branch is only a massive interplanetary success because of zhang clippers in the start of the century.

When you look at some early quintessential moments of HoloEN, like
>Oh, I'm die, thank you forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lzRtKV7tJY

Or even Gura's "plastic love" (and other tunes from those karaokes that REALLY changed the perception of her)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k1ba4mfSH0

Zhangs were long gone

>>11347614
See those two at >>11347658 too.

People may not like but that "cultural crosspolination" episode of Trash Taste then the subsequent interview with Calli did pull a HUGE segment of the "anituber" sphere into Hololive.

>>11347652
around 2.5k, i heard that the roommate is a somewhat popular TikToker(idk if that's the correct term)?

ollie debuff is real, beaten by anyas totsu kek

>>11347652
About 2k iirc. Someone posted the numbers in the last thread

>>11342911
Not him, but this have an explanation and is not money (prices were changed for their commodity so subs don't cost that much), the problem is that the ded collabs and another ones with big youtubers is bringing a lot of tourists, heck she is even in the Rubius squid game tournament (Rubius is something like the spanish pewd)

https://youtu.be/hBmpMMkXz6Y
It will replace Eekum Bokum to become the most viewed vtuber meme in a few weeks.

>>11347628
Well you were talking about wide reach and didn't mention worldwide reach. Otherwise there's a mobage that collaborated with a ton of vtubers called Dawn of the Breakers but I don't think it had that much of reach outside Japan and got closed around a year ago.

>>11347652
>How many people were watching the Cruncyroll vtuber live?
About 2k, scroll back one or two threads, people were posting the play by play

>>11347644
Kuzuha has a 19k+, that's enough for the Top 10 in the typical days

>>11347718
>popular tiktoker
she just gained a new anti now

>>11347739
Eekum Bokum virality was more about the "snow clones" than about the original in itself (which was massive too)

>>11347314
>Miko tries to cleanup but ended up burning her house on fire for the second time
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9Knad1173M [Embed]
Anon I believe you got the wrong clip here, since it should be the old Miko model.

>>11347739
I genuinely don't understand the hype behind this one.
Lightning Mcqueen was a masterpiece so it was easy to understand, but this meme feels so niche.
Maybe its because it's so short?

>>11347781
Oh yea, EoP timezone brain in effect, forgot that counts for today since it was a weird hour.

>>11347658
That's a lot of seethe coming from you. Looks like I pocked your most vulnerable spot.
But yes, everything Holo does after early 2020 is on a shoulder of zhang clippers. Both clips you provided would have less than 100k without zhang clippers. So be thankful for zhang clippers' hard work.

>>11347891
-Its short
-The internet is for porn, and porn-related meme shit is a big hit. Mix it with Gura, and well.....

>>11347891
Parody of the most famous game/cartoon porn animators.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23nEnPOXLEk
Premiere for Square Enix's game theme song.

>>11347891
1. Short indeed, it will surpass the Zone YT version https://youtu.be/aAu91571IeY
2. The original is another meme, which means it has already been viral .

>>11347922
t. zhangclipper

>>11347922
Eh. I can acknowledge that they contributed and also tell them to go sit on a cactus at the same time, and I'd hope most people are level-headed enough to acknowledge that, given the information. They aren't the only ones, the entire situation is a lot of different factors boosting each other, but they were a big factor.

>>11347922
The highest vtuber clip that time was HLM vid of holos convenient store reaction. So huge that if you search “vtuber” on youtube the vid was the first thing to pop up.

>>11347922
It's kind of like modern rocketry being pioneered by the Nazis. Even in the distant future when we're flying between the stars that will always be an unpleasant footnote to the history of spaceflight. Thankfully events forced Hololive to disentangle itself from China fairly early on before things could get any worse.

>>11347973
Good numbers, especially for a song that's already been performed on youtube.

>>11347891
>, but this meme feels so niche.
>Maybe its because it's so short?
Anhka Dance became viral with ethots on TikTok more or less at the same time

>>11347739
>>11347826
>Eekum Bokum virality was more about the "snow clones"
Pic related for what I mean. Multiple multi million views clips of slight variations

>>11347922
>seethe
>So be thankful for zhang clippers' hard work.
T-Thanks for the donation? kek, their hard work was put in good hands and prospered and multiplied

>>11348013
I wish I had the honor to be one, but sadly, I am not.
>>11348016
Yes, they are not the only factor, but they are a critical one that activated yt algo explosion.

>>11347973
Good numbers for the official channel and for a premiere of a song thats been around a while. The choice of collab leading in to it was smart.

Phasmo collab from top nijiens.. can this break records for non debut numbers?
buff
>single POV
>Selen's first horror game
>endurance (20 games total)
debuff
>weird hours (live in 5 hours)

>>11347739
The original of this is at 8.3M and growing slower than the Gura version, ironically. The views on the reaction clip are absurd too.

>>11347922
Coco already graduated, chink. There's no need to be a contrarian anymore.

>>11348086
That's weird, I've only ever seen the first two.

>>11348044
>before things could get any worse.
There is an universe where the CN branch grew to be one rivaling the JP in notoriety and numbers (instead of the EN branch), Miko said nigger one too many times and a HUGE scandal that forced Cover to disband the EN branch, graduate them all and retreat to the asian market for good.

>Even in that timeline NijiEN are still getting 3k CCV, tops

>>11348146
Its time to give up anon…

>>11347759

>>11348169
I'm in the same boat as Gura here.

>Wow, it has so many views. Why?

>>11348146
It's Phasmophobia so...
6k tops or I kneel.

>>11348146
Fuck off, nijinigger.

>>11348146
It'll be long anyways so I don't think the start time matters much.
But because of the hype leading to it (Selen did get a rain of red SCs for it), it should be 5k+, which is on the highest tier of NijiEN's history for non-debut streams.

The record for a non-debut NijiEN stream is still Selen's 6.5k with Kanae IIRC.

>>11348146
Isn't phasmo a 4 player game? There's 5 people in that thumbnail. Are the other members going to come in and out of Selen's 20 endurance?

>>11348146
Good waiting room for something starting in 5 hours. Not the best slot tho, isn't that too early for EN?

>>11348134
>wish I had the honor
>to be a zhang
oh it is definitely a zhang all right

>>11348246
You can play 1-4 players and it'll only be her POV so people dropping in and out.
She posted a schedule and I think it's almost everyone in NijiEN.

https://twitter.com/Selen_Tatsuki/status/1448082247156998145

>>11348177
Back then you COULD. NOT. ESCAPE. IT.

Anyone making a mistake of even glancing at any of those Eekum Bokum videos would get nothing but Eekum Bokum in their suggestions, and then if you click any of the Korone suggestions that came along you would get nothing but Hololive in your suggestions for a month

>>11348146
I think 3k-ish peak. No one else will be streaming but it's a crappy hour and Phasmo is a slight debuff.

>>11348298
>A month
Oh if only it were so short of a period Anon! Many a poor soul were dragged into recommendation holohell and have yet to escape to this very day.

>>11348287
Ah that makes more sense.

>>11348328
>Phasmo is a slight debuff.
Elira got 3.2k with it today and Fubuki still gets 10k+ playing Phasmo.
It's not a debuff at all.

>>11347506
>One of the most quintessential Aqua clip is her pulling herself on Azur Lane,
gay and new. there are way more big Aqua clips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3oKqA-M0_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYPhwlmWuuQ

>>11345465
>either a non human character, like Debi or the dog, or a male in the first wave. Preferably both. You need to make it clear, immediately, visually, what makes nijisanji different from hololive to avoid being labled as yet another hololive knockoff. Vshojo managed to do this by both being on twitch and going in on the pee pee poo poo crass humour, but I don't think that's a viable option for Nijisanji
Fucking exactly. You nailed it.

>>11348430
I grant you fhe first one, "Aqua tries to hide her weight and fails" but the second one is not only new but part of what I call
>the cancer that's killing /b/
except Hololive.
Both "onion" and "baqua" were memes that were not funny in the first place but that somehow got a footing and newfags don't even know why she was called either, they just parroted

>>11347008
Ttrpg has always been Mori’s passion project and a way to keep the girls together at a time she felt they were drifting apart, and I think she accepted before she started the numbers would be complete ass: Hunter: the Vigil is obscure, she’s pulling in stuff from splats 99.9% of her audience has no idea even exists, it hard filters any JP fans, has a terrible time slot, and is serialized. To maximize numbers it would’ve been in her channel every week but she already felt bad eating up every other group collab. That said it still does reasonable numbers and it helps group chemistry. Notably it seems like Gura and Mori really got closer after her 1:1 session, one of the best streams in all of HoloEN. From a long term perspective keeping the girls happy and invested in their genmates is far more valuable than a few million views here or there. Any of the Myth girls could graduate and do very well keeping Covers cut, Mori and Gura especially, but their personal ties reduces that risk. I feel this is another area Hololive has an advantage over Niji

>>11348557
https://files.catbox.moe/t9uk4j.mp4

>>11347739
Sharky can't stop winning

>>11348610
lol this is the first time I've seen this. Thanks Aqua

Good numbers across the board

ClockGirl accident prone gameplay and subsequent fits of rage is making her the "EN Rushia" of the Minecraft server, with the appropriate clips and memes coming out of it.

Her dying to the phantoms and eating a zenloss and going into a journey of revenge and despair will surely bring more interest on her Micra streams

>>11348765
Announcement of big multibranch Blazing Sails collab

>>11348765
What is Debi doing? I got in, but I don't understand the context or what they're planning.

>>11348765
What is that thing at the top? Horrifying? How can anybody watch that?

>>11348146
I think it'll be around 4-5k maybe 6k if Kuzuha won't stream.
The buffs you listed seems to be good.

>>11348912
>will surely bring more interest on her Micra streams
Which she's doing a good job of smothering by only streaming Minecraft once a week (if that) and having a generally empty schedule besides that.

>>11348914
isn't that the pirate battle royale game that gura played like a year ago?

>>11348914
>>11348916
Ah, Blazing sales is a pirate-themed PvP game.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1158940/Blazing_Sails/

>>11348914
Just Collab or a sponsorship?

>>11348943
It's cute but speaks like a retard

>>11341981
BASED NIMU

>>11348912
>EN Rushia
not really she just lifted expectations very high and ppl like to see how her "cool" character cracks.
as example Calli was dork from very beginning so people dont react same way to her reactions

>>11345672
>'s almost impossible, but who knows, if you manage to fish out a gura-tier talent you forever win the male vtuber market in the West.
You don't need a Gura tier success. As soon as there is one example of someone big able to do support themselves full-time via vtubng that all it will take for the EN male market will grow

>>11348943
I still maintain that if nijien has something like Debi in their lineup they'll be doing far better than they are currently

SMOK then Shirarui. Big numbers?

Either way, did Matsuri split her card opening or she's doing a do over to redeem herself from teh poor numbers?

the numberfag in me is seething that the new hololive merch website doesn't have merch rankings or at least a hearts/likes counter. How else can i gauge which holo sold the most merch?

>>11348943
furrybait

>>11349279
>As soon as there is one example of someone big able to do support themselves full-time via vtubng that all it will take for the EN male market will grow
Yeah, not really or that would reflect in the regular streamers market as well.

Streaming (face or avatar) reminds me a lot of that professional poker fad in the late 2000s, early 2010s with lots of people thinking that just because some 5 to 10 blokes and chicks could make it big in the circuit, that ANYONE could make it big or even break even.

While in the end the small fish got eaten (likely by debts) and even the big fish had to reinvent themselves with progressively more elaborate stunts and lores until the market disappeared because people and sponsors lost interest.

>>11348086
>kek, their hard work was put in good hands and prospered and multiplied
Just like gunpowder…

>>11349346
>hololive
>sanctioning talent rankings
kek, not gonna happen. That's not how "box pushing" works at all

>>11349323
>Matsuri
who?

>>11349346
lol good thing it doesnt, dont enable the autists

New Kanauru clip, something to keep track of the numbers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4x36hbgrP4

Is Kanae's outfit reveal seriously unmonetized

>>11349434
>box pushing

>Gotta Catch 'Em All

>>11349520
Seems monetized to me. 21k watching 7 minutes in. Seems like a new winner.

>>11349520
where do you see that? i see the superchat button and saw 1-2 randoms throw early

>>11349298
How much control does niji afford their livers when it comes to character design input? Could one of the NijiEN's have theoretically opted for a non-human avatar, so long as it was female?

>>11349423
China and getting cucked name a more iconic duo

>>11349488
meh doesnt looks like something big

>>11349573
>Could one of the NijiEN's have theoretically opted for a non-human avatar, so long as it was female?
nijiEN really done goof'd in this respect. Juniper Actias batted this OUT OF THE PARK, having human and non human forms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5APF0QQjySo

Monster Girls is one of the most beloved tropes and they failed to capitalize on the possibility

>>11349823
>Darkwood
Oh shit, thanks for the heads up. I think Juniper is alright but I never follow her closely, I'll definitely watch that VOD.

>>11349823
They got fucking baited by HoloEN's success. Would have set them apart from their competition on YouTube and could've led to something memorable but nope, got blinded by just how big myth got and went idol-lite with even a song at release...

SMOK big numbers
MC group collab soon
numbers numbers numbers without pekora for hololive

>>11349573
How much control does holo afford?

>>11349557
Todays winner

>>11349972
Shockingly little, I had thought they had changed after gen 3 but from what Kiara and Gura described it sounds like aside from super minor details Myth had zero input on their designs.

>>11348943
kek

>>11329517

>>11350014
Should be, unless something extremely extraordinary appears in the next two and a half hours, which doesn't seem to be the case...

>>11328677
APOLOGIZE

>>11350037
Nijis have quite a lot of control, not for original (maybe some famous scouts has that privilege, dunno) but for the following costumes/outfits. Numeral members have different age/body models.

>>11349958
>peko not streaming today
>jun happens to not stream as well
>again
This happens too frequently imo

https://twitter.com/Billboard_JAPAN/status/1448138950464266247?s=20
Second week, still ranked I see

>>11350114
You know the sankisei live is coming up right?

>>11350114
they're busy making the strongest baby

oh wow 50k, that's quite powerful

>>11350114
Preparing for a wedding I suppose

>>11342411
It's pretty bad, yeah.
Puchisanji and the anime thing Hima was making before she got Covid are much better.

>>11350129
are there any exact numbers?

>>11350114
She have dance practice and she was out with marine and noel. Stop bringing rrat in numbers thread.

>>11350114
so who do you think jun is, Noel or Maririn?

>>11350256
lol

>>11350215
1263
https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/dia/w/2021-10-18/

>>11350264
wrong screen mb

>>11350256
KYAAAAAAAAAAA

>>11350280
wait it's 2nd on oricon, what's the difference?

>>11350256
can you ask for superchat refunds?

Kronii's gonna be like 100k over Mumei soon huh. It kinda pleases my autism how the gap between the Council members has some consistency, Sana is 100k behind Baelz, who is like getting close to having match with Fauna's numbers, then Kronii and Mumei have a 100k gap on themselves. Also good on Sana to have reached 200k now, hopefully this will mean youtube will have recommended her channel more than before and maybe she'll have the same growth the others did when they were in the 200k range.

>>11350279
king...don't look...

1026 physical too
>>11350334
The methodology is different.

>>11350202
>anime thing Hima was making before
lol
Nice try
The last chocosanji was pretty good tho

>>11340757
is it me or is everyone much lower than before? is the meme over?
>23k for Pekora with 3 people
literally everyone is lower.

>>11350084
*cough* Okay, that was out of my expectations.

>>11350367
They can grow more if they can capitalize their MC interractions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFsNogq4_8w

>>11350404
Get out, tourist

>>11350361
No, you cannot, and thank God for that otherwise the chinks would've bankrupted cover through charge back costs

>>11350445
not long ago Pekora was getting 50k streams regularly with Moona doing minecraft, you are the tourist.

>>11350449
This is probably one of the reasons that Hololive stays on Twitch. Chargebacks ok donations sounds like a massive pain to handle.

>>11350404
Europe and sea is occupied watching dota 2

>>11350545
it has been down even before any tournament, everyone is reclining.

>>11350473
You are the tourist here if your point of reference to how the numbers are like right now is comparing from streams that far back.

>>11345322
Not much different, to be honest. Most numberfags here don't know much about how business works, and it shows. If you think you need 1m subscribers to make money in vtubing, you don't know much about money.

By November 2020 it's too late for Niji to beat Hololive in the west. Debuting Wave 1 a bit earlier and spending a bit more time hyping them would have been better, but it wouldn't change much.

All things considered, Lazulight ended up being more successful than most people predicted. People were unironically saying that they'd struggle to reach 50k subs within their first year, and that they'd only have like 100-300 live viewers.

Nijisanji is a clear 2nd place in this industry globally, but that's not that bad if they can keep it. Most industries can support more than one company. McDonalds isn't the only chain restaurant, Disney isn't the only live action studio, EA isn't the only game company, etc. VTubing is obviously much smaller than those other industries, but it's big enough to support more than a few agencies, and NijiEN being the 2nd biggest in the west would be enough for that branch to be a success. VShojo is more pressing competition than HoloEN, but VShojo operates on a different platform and appeals to a somewhat different audience (albeit one with significant overlap).

>>11350473
You mean before YT change how they count live viewers right so basically almost more than 10months now.

>>11350545
That means Steam should give Fauna permission to stream DOTA2

>>11350449
Wait is this the reason Cover doesn't encourage streamlabs?

>>11350367
It's possible that they will be like Kiara and Ina tier in sub growth, since they don't have the gimmick Mori and Gura has to offer in their audience

>>11350600
I hope youre not talking about EN side, because then VShojo is way above NijiEN

>>11350574
The peak vtubing fad is over, everyone knows this.

>>11350600
Nijisanji does very well in Japan and since vtubers are dying in the west, they are in a fine spot. Kuzuha had 144k for Apex several times in August, and that's mostly JOPs.

>>11350671
Maybe you should read the whole post before replying

>>11350600
>NijiEN being the 2nd biggest in the west
3rd.

>>11350698
>Maybe you should read the whole post
>look at the size of the post
kek no, learn to summarize your thoughts

>>11345322
>What would you have done differently to make the branch succeed?
I'd argue the branch was a success, and I'm a dyed in the wool Holo fan.

>>11350624
If you can believe it, no, the reason for that is apparently some deal with YT not to use it.

Assuming she presented the big guns already
>9.2K peak
I seriously overestimated Ollie, I thought she would be able to beat Moona's totsu

>>11350361
you can but need a very good reason.

>>11350750
She will never be better than Moona, Pekora's favorite.

>>11340757
>Be Luna
>Low numbers in solo streams
>Bring tremendous numbers to collabs
How?

>>11350671
>Nijisanji is a clear 2nd place in this industry GLOBALLY
Learn how to read, anon.

>>11350703
>NijiEN being the 2nd biggest in the west WOULD be enough
Learn how to read, anon. Though even as 3rd they're still probably turning a profit.

>>11350690
Yup. And Eden has been the most successful JP wave in quite some time.

>>11350690
>Kuzuha had 144k for Apex several times
I hate tourist so much

>>11350618
Man, just imagine if by next year, Fauna is invited as a guest commentator for next TI. /vg/ gonna blow a casket.

>>11350781
She is good at banter

>>11350750
People went into Moona (and Anya's) totsu with the expectation that big JPs would call in. People went into Ollie's totsu with the expectation that the most she'd get on the JP side was Roboco and most of the stream would be a steady flow of Indonesian vtubers no one watches.

>>11350750
most of the callers being nips didnt help

>>11350781
Luna is a good collab partner.

>>11350785
Nijisanji has the top non-graduation stream, Koushien (204k). That's mostly Japanese who love baseball. The idea that Nijisanji is doing poorly is objectively wrong.

If only this board wasn't fanboy tourists, they might be able to watch more than one brand, but no: they treat it like sports teams.
>I cant watch the other brands! Other brand bad!
literally Apple cultists.

>>11350871
Lay off the salt, you're going to get hypertension at this rate

>>11350690
>Kuzuha had 144k for Apex several times
>several times
Oh really, could you point at all these 144K streams? Because i only remember one.

>>11350871
Shoo, shill your failures somewhere else nigger. We only care about numbers here.

>>11350871
If you can't make a post without throwing salt all over the place this thread might not be for you

>>11350871
>literally Apple cultists
>he says this while defending his declining black company

>79 ips already
>page 2

i know much about subaluna but still dont think it so popular outside of subaru and luna fans. idk where 38k viewers come from. its very high.

didnt know the himawari x polka collab. watching it now, but niji jp x holo jp collabs are always fun and quality. himawari loves holo jp but she actually has good chemistry with polka. hope they do more collabs.

>>11350871
>that's mostly Japanese who love baseball
exactly, tourists, not regular nijisanji fans

>>11350914
literally true, though?
>>11350965
I watch indies not just nijisanji, my entire point is most people here ONLY watch one brand.

>>11350998
Hahahahahahahaha this again

>>11350998
>I watch indies not just nijisanji
sure you do, pomu schizo

>>11350998
Oh shit its the pomunigger he posted it again

>>11351018
>this is the numbers thread
>no, don't post numbers I dislike!

>>11350998
im sure you do watch all the indies in the world, nijishill

>>11350998
It’s been a while pomunigger

pomu koshien anon is back huh

>>11350998
EVERYONE POINT AND LAUGH

>>11350690

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jk_WXu7HrI
Surprising numbers for this taiwanese indie utawaku.
Don't underestimate them. All the TWtubers have been taking off recently.

>>11350998
What's wrong with only watching one brand? Nijis for example have a ridiculous amount of chubbas that produces enough content for you to have a reason to never watch anyone else. Same applies to Holos.

>>11351041
my favorite is Pekora, still doesn't change that holoEN is garbage.

You guys fell for the Pomu shitposter! Fucking SHAME!

>>11350905
>holobrony hung up on a single mistake and ignoring everything else because he can't argue against it

>>11350998
Hey, it's pomuschizo!
Man it's been a while since you posted this one. Here's a (you) for your troubles.

>SMOK not ending
>Shiraken starting
Absolute numbers massacre

>>11351084
Nobody's falling for it pomunigger, now piss of or we'll laugh at you again

>>11350998
its that photo again! lets goooo

>>11351091
Do you understand why this is an important mistake in the numbers thread?

>>11350998
>He's back LMAO

If Jun gets more viewers than Pekora does that make him more entertaining than Pekora? Trying to understand the logic of this thread.

Shiraken collab will lost 1 PoV since Suisei's internet kszk.

>>11351177
>Trying to understand the logic of this thread.
Pomuschizo is back, abandon all logic.

>>11350982
No difference, Nijisanji is so inculcated into mainstream culture because of the way they approach vtubing that any tourist might as well be a Nijisanji fan due to knowing of them and watching their big streams.

>>11351170
thanks for admitting the autists in this thread are the same 5 autists.

>>11351177
Not necessarily, but we don't discuss how entertaining someone is here. Just cold hard numbers.

shiraken collab isnt that special. they do it frequently compared to smok

>>11351091
>nijinigger is proud of celebs-leeching numbers

>>11351106
Don't worry, smok will end while the shiraken collab is still going on, they'll catch the outflow

>>11350998
YAY HE'S BACK, YOU MOTHERFUCKER, I MISS YOU

>>11351177
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>11351177
>logic of this thread
Big number>Small number

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q28A2wbSHs4
Strong numbers for Mimi VSpo. Must be the Yashiro buff.

>>11351177
>If Jun gets more viewers than Pekora does that make him more entertaining than Pekora?
yes, but remember that males are far better than women in this industry.

>>11351177
it was never in this thread's logic that numbers correlate to entertainment, this thread is just to catalog and discuss numbers.

>>11350998
>>11350871
>I cant watch the other brands! Other brand bad!
>literally Apple cultists.
so.. there is nothing wrong about watching hololive, right?

>>11351373
It’s wrong because it’s not the company he supports!

>>11351091
>single mistake
oh i'm sure it was just a mistake nijinigger, who doesn't add "several times" by mistake like that

God damn, Mori is an idiot. She's going to play the Hololive Friday Night Funkin' mod which would be a huge buff, but you wouldn't know it unless you look at her stream description.

>>11351373
>watching whole brands
>watching multiple brands
schizochama, most people only watch 2 or 3

Botan will be participating in a BFV streamer cup, whatever that is. Expecting her to have one of the top CCVs for this, considering the other participants

>>11350781
Luna is almost unbeatable at playing at others. There's really no such thing as a bad Luna collab and she's consistently saved collabs doomed by her partners' moodiness or awkwardness.

So many stream at the same time what the hell?? I'am watching miko, botan, mori and mio at the same fking time.

>>11351572
Her team is stacked. CR winners+Bora

>>11351572
Oh wow Botan in a tournament, this might be the first time she'll show on-screen her tryhard mode. This could be huge.

>>11351628
>Botan
Not anymore you're not.

>>11351572
Bora and Botan? That sounds a bit OP.
Also wtf, Suzaku playing something that’s not among us.

>>11351572
>cpt carry
They are winning.

>>11351572
>Not APEX

>>11351572
she already takes the win for best profile picture

>>11349434
aah how nice it must be to not remember the shame box for holos who didn't have enought sub growth

>>11351678 (me)
Forgot to add cpt to that list as well.

>>11351571
what did you even mean by this?

>>11351657
Pretty sure Squad 16 are made up of active esports pros from the same clan, would be weird if they didn't stomp.

>>11351738
2 or 3 streamers

>>11351572
What kind of mode are they playing? BR? I don't know how competitive BFV is [played out.

>>11351572
I didn't know bf have a br mode??

>>11351658
>>11351762
If it's anything like the last one, it won't be a tournament at all. There are only two teams after all.

>>11351748
Oh, that makes things pretty tough then...
Still, surprised Botan is doing a competitive event though, never thought it'd see that any time soon.

Is she doing better than Petra at this time slot?

>>11351762
According to the announcement stream, looks like it's 32 vs 32, no vehicles, infantry only
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcoX9gjdoNo
Team breakdown in pic related

>>11351861
She looks dead inside

>>11351876
What are the stars for?

>>11351876
Fuck is this real. Squad 11 and 13 should've been on the other side.

>>11351904
Supported by Isreal.

>>11351861
Petra at least has somewhat of a Japanese fanbase.
I think Petra should lean on those piano streams, gives her a buff just like it gives Luna.

>>11351861
what a waste of amazing design

Damn, Ollie cashing in. Are her totsu numbers updated here?

>>11351904
The guy's marking out which squads are strong. Red stars are the super strong ones with lots of BF experience.

>>11351861
>>11351994
>Pomu definitely wants her model so bad
If you know what I mean...

>>11351861
i haven't really been giving a fuck about NijiEN lately, but that looks almost half finished

>>11351861
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES
THIS IS MY LAST RESORT!

Miko 29k.

>>11352072
did you mean this supposed to be her new costume?

>>11349573
The design is already done when they open auditions

>>11351876
HOLY SHIT! Right side squad is too stacked, PLZ NERF!

>>11352137
she might just beat Mios peak despite several povs

>>11349573
>design input
Oliver's live2D is from 2019

>>11352218
Don't worry. The left team has squad 16 instead

>>11352218
Anon, left side has a clan of esports pros, the host and his handpicked team, as well as a player who did extremely well killing shit in the previous BF cup on Yashiro's team.

>>11352282
It helps that Suisei can't stream, so her portion is being donated to the rest of the company.
Miko at 33k without stepping foot into the En server yet...

>>11352641
It also helps that she is not overlapping with peko like her EN tour.

>6 streams
>Nearly 80k watching
S-Sugoi

>>11352641
>It helps that Suisei can't stream,
Susan being a bitch again?

>>11352798
For some reason Suisei couldnt start her stream even though she had just streamed a little earlier. Haven't checked her twitter yet. She was able to login so they just proceeded as is.

Niji 58.3k (25 streams)
Holo 77.6k (8 streams)

No Pekora, Rushia, Gura and Korone streams today? Plus ofcourse Marine is still on hiatus

What happened? Top Holos are resting?

>>11352852
bad internet yet she can play on the server and vc just fine. It is susan