/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>11502389
Her baby voice isn't that popular... Before joining Hololive, she probably had to support herself doing normal desk jobs

>>11502674
>Before joining Hololive
he doesn't know...

She was a liver

>>11502781
>Isn't
Isn't, wasn't, and never will. She gets less than 300 likes per tweet, and her twitcasting less than 100.

I like her, but the fact is she isn't popular.

>>11502781
>He doesn't know she was a n***nigger

>>11502973
>fact
>300
before throwing around words, learn their meaning first, if you give false information is not a fact anymore.
A fact would be that your mother is a drogadict whore raped by a bunch of niggers, and now you hate the world, and the proof is your post nigger.

If she knows COBOL she could be making way more money than she does now.

>>11503053
and she flopped hard during that time

>>11502781
>>11503714
>Before joining Hololive
>Before

What kind of stupid ass do you have to be to not understand I wasn't talking about that account?

Why are you so obsessed with niggers? Projecting? Dreaming of BBC?

>>11504386
Well, perhaps she enjoys vtubing more then niggercoding.

>>11504386
Subaru pussy is more valuable then money

>>11502389
>Cobol

Literally something only boomers know.

>>11502389
Reminds me that I have to work on my hololive fangame. But I can't draw for shit so I can't make a hololive fangame.

>>11506104
I'm a 20-something millenial and I know about it. It's still mentioned in modern media set in that era, see Stranger Things for instance.

>>11502389
>woman
>programming
just no

>>11504386
Maybe she's actually doing coding as a sidejob. She doesn't stream as often as the other girls afterall

>>11506655
I will rephrase- the reason Cobol programmers are paid well is because most of them are elderly/retiring and they need to incentivize them to keep working and attract younger people who know how to use it to their business.

>>11502973
>>11505022
>>11506104
>reddit spacing
go back to your shit hole maligne tumor

>>11506817
Cobol is still used?

>>11506784
>She doesn't stream as often as the other girls
every single day clipfaggot

>>11507550
>He doesn't write emails
Go back to your mother's basement you waste of oxygen.

>>11507600
the shitiest country in earth full of morbid obesses still uses it for satellites, atomic missiles silos and old computers in NASA

>>11507550
It's funny to me that anyone posting reddit spacing basically outs themselves as a newfag, since all of you newfags are too retarded to even know what it refers to or why.

I've been here longer than you, I will never change my way of spacing and if you're posting a /v/ meme in /vt/ you should kill yourself.

>>11507726
>I've been here longer than you
wtf and you are proud? why are you still existing? go kill yourself toxic waste

>>11507600
Apparently it is on banking related stuff according to the very reliable /g/ fags.

>>11507726
>Cockroaches never die
Your existence must be painful. End it.

>>11507726
It's just a newfag trying to fit in.

> COBOL

So the rrats about she is one of the oldest member IRL is likely true

And you didn't know until you watched a clip.

>>11507726
>i've been submerged in shit for twenty years, respect me!
roru

>>11507726
>Look at me I am an oldfag!
You sounds like a newfag, plus reddit spacing. Go back.

>>11508059
COBOL can still come up now and then.
Now if she mentions Business Basic...

>>11507600
A lot of american government and very important tax/banking systems use it since they were written decades ago and they're too 'expensive' and intricate to replace now

>>11502389
That's nice but does she know how to write a compiler ?

>>11502389
I'm just wondering what she did to learn all those languages? Because no one tortures themselves by learning coding as a hobby right?

>>11504386
whats so good about cobol that would make her earn more? or is it that she earns little in HL?

>>11506655
do you "know about it" or do you actually know the language?
Cause any self-respecting software developer should have at least heard of it.

>>11507600
There is legacy code older than 40 years that's still in use.
Government institutions, banks and other entities that are way too fucking large tend to have way too much bureaucratic inertia to keep their tech up to date.
They literally can't afford the risk to make something new that doesn't behave 100% exactly as the old system because billions worth of USD depends on it, and most likely they don't see the need to since the old system "still works".

This is especially true if the main product or service they're offering isn't the software itself.

>>11507726
That spacing looked like shit back then and it looks like shit now. Remove yourself and spare us from the eye cancer.

>>11507807
>>11507995
>>11508103
>>11508182
The twitter SEAfag gang is upset.

COBOL one of the language that uses in bank system.

>>11507684
>obesses

The shittiest country besides all the other countries such as yours, apparently.

>>11508465
No, I think we'll continue to be here until you get tired of /vt/ubers and fuck off back to twitter, like with every other board that experiences a brief interruption of seething newfags.

>>11508420
>do you "know about it" or do you actually know the language?
He "knows about it", just like Luna. Unless you believe that Luna actually knows how to code in it.
I think that's the main problem with this thread, just because she mentioned the languages doesn't mean that she actually knows how to use them. Girls learning some very basic webcode to do their blog is not uncommon, and she probably heard about all of the others in that period. Not to mention that there is ALWAYS that fucking nerd who wants to impress a girl in webdev by flexing his C knowledge, so girls WILL hear about C one way or another.

>>11507726
>I've been here longer than you
have you though? I've been here since 2005

>>11502389
>all simple coding shit with no chance of going up the corporate ladder
Goddamn. No wonder she decided to become a vtuber

>>11507726
so you've been a faggot for almost 20 years now?

Ever wonder
why people
obsess about
spacing
It's like
they have
no other
retort
available.
So they
Mock the
Spacing.

>>11508664
yeah, that means he's your faggot-senpai. cause you're also a faggot, but you're a newer faggot than him. Did you even think this post through?

>>11508694
That's not reddit spacing. This is reddit spacing.

Like this one you fucking faggot. You waste of space. Just kys.

>>11508472
No. Your just an idiot for thinking there's pride in being a oldfag. And keeping that pic as proof to share like it's a badge of honor is literally cringe

>>11508774
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>>11507726
so basically you have like 40+ years and still behave like an edgy teen.
Anon, 4chan is just fase that you eventually outgrow, not something that you forever stick with until you get old, so what you say is actually shameful and quite pathetic.
What else? your mom's pays the internet and wash your briefs?

>>11508928
Tighty whities, cuz his balls never dropped

>>11508970

>>11502389
we need more vtubers who stream programming content. it's still an untapped niche with a huge potential.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev5hxxVud8o

>>11509316
>cute
>zatsudan Linux from Scratch
Looks like I have a new indie to check out

>>11508416
cobol is the language of the old ones. the most archaic of systems that noone dare touch for fear of breaking. cobol = backbone of the financial world.

People do reddit spacing in their code would it trigger anons?

>>11509316
wait for my debut in 2 years
kidding aside, would you just watch someone code something live from scratch? i never watched any type of content like that, so how do those typically play out? or would something educational like ollie's math classes do?

>>11511195
yes, it can be a mix of both building something from scratch and educational content. i can think of a scenario where the vtuber would present a design sheet or a (small) scope for a project at the beginning and then start working on it, explaining the more technical bits as requested by chat and taking suggestions, but trying to keep it simple. of course, that kind of content would be very niche but i'd gladly watch it and perhaps even donate.

Programmers are just regular desk workers in Japan, so they get paid as poorly as any other rank-and-file seishain. In fact, most of them probably had to learn programming on the job and went in not even owning a computer. Not to say this applies to Luna but it's nowhere near as lucrative as it is elsewhere in the world.

>>11508420
>They literally can't afford the risk to make something new that doesn't behave 100% exactly as the old system
Which is decided by idiots that don't know how things work and think waiting until the unplanned breaking of the system happens is better.
Not like you could actually model check your programs and verify that your new program would behave in the exact same way, or anything...
But since they are that technically ignorant, so they opt to spend millions on it until they will eventually still lose all of that money.

>>11508774
That's not reddit spacing either.

>>11511504
The FAANGS still pay extraordinarily well in Japan. It's just the domestic companies that are vastly underpaid.

>>11511504
>>11512166
>, so they get paid as poorly as any other rank-and-file seishain
Japan's median wage is 4.7k$, doesn't seem that bad to me

>>11504386
I picked up a bit of Cobol and when there is work it's really good money but the problem is there's very few jobs.

Also it's working with decades old systems of undocumented shite.

>>11508774
>push enter twice is reddit
dear lord I've been reddit my whole life

even before reddit existed.

>>11512313
Japan's a very expensive country to live in though

>>11512313
https://www.payscale.com/research/JP/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary
This is actually pretty low. I live in a country where the living expenses are comparable to Japan and I make way more than that as a junior.

>>11512532
Tokyo is world's 4th most expensive city, and 1/3rd of the population and over half of the job opportunities are in that region. But if you find a good job in a city far north like Aomori or Sapporo, you'll find huge savings in rent and some savings in everything else.
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Japan&city1=Sapporo&country2=Japan&city2=Tokyo
>Rent Prices in Tokyo are 183.48% higher than in Sapporo
>Restaurant Prices in Tokyo are 20.50% higher than in Sapporo
>Groceries Prices in Tokyo are 18.36% higher than in Sapporo

>>11511790
I don't disagree.

>>11502389
Full stack web development streams with Himemori Luna!

>>11502389
She should join Oga's game development team

>>11506104
I use mainly C++/Java at work but I at least know Cobol because of how high the pay is there.

>>11502973
despite that, she's making thousands from her other account

>>11507600
I mean, Japanese companies are still using fax machines to communicate. Some nip boomer requiring knowledge of Cobol from his employees isn't out of realm of possibility.

>>11508371
She's a hiki. She's actually good at cooking and you could witness her improve at playing the piano in the last year.

>>11510986


because reddit existed longer than 4chan /s

>>11509316
Here you go
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOznO6ysTr3PD9nVkHBmGOA/videos

>>11512313
Does that include the extra mandatory 20 hours a week of unpaid overtime?
People sleep at the fucking office, that country's fucked.

>>11514206
Are there other holos that are good at cooking besides Luna and Choco?

>>11514869
Roboco, although she burned her pancakes in the last stream

>>11515061
I'll give her a pass for that.

>>11508371
Basic coding is kind of fun, probably learned until iteration or arrays. Or She's probably one of those people that get into programming courses to hoard certificates like Lamy.

>>11512803
Can confirm. My rent in Osaka is half than what it would be in Tokyo for a comparable size/location, if not more. Tokyo is an over-glorified cesspool

>>11502389
Is it just me or she became oddly similar to Hitomi by the day, especially with those glasses

>>11515377
She used to work at a bank before deciding the corporate life is too insane to continue. Thus she became a baby princess

>>11502389
I learned C++ and Fortran in second year of highschool even though my college degree has zero relations to anything programming related. Also calling HTML a programming language lmao. No wonder she had to become a vtuber

>>11514586
Fun fact: Americans actually work more hours than any other developed country while getting fewer benefits. Their media just focuses on Japan stories to distract the mutts(because Allah forbids demanding change)

>VBA, C, Cobol, SQL, HTML
She probably learned programming in the early 2000s

>>11508371
What makes coding so boring?

>>11508371
>type some words
>make things happen
>normies shit their pants
It was a pretty fun hobby back in the day where the closest thing to Scratch and all those programming toys was a graphing calculator so it was easy to impress people when you made an animated Christmas card on it.
It's still a lot of fun to build something and have it work the way you wanted or close enough or whatever that's funny too. The normals still can't wrap their heads around it but it's becoming more of a "math is hard lol" thing than "what the fuck how did you do that?"

>>11515981
But reducing the exploitation of American workers and getting more benefits from them either through organized labor or government action is SOCIALISM!!!

Haven't you talked to the Americans? They enjoy being abused by their corporate masters.

>>11502389
What is so surprise about a JAPANESE knowing programing. She is a fucking JAPANESE you know.

>>11508416
Back when banks started digitizing their shit they used COBOL. Now the cost of moving their core shit to more modern languages just ain't worth it. Hence, if you know COBOL you're valuable to banks.

>>11508221
>Business Basic
>meaning she's a hag
Seeeeeeexxx SEEEEEEEEEEX

>>11502389
>COBOL
why the fuck is a hag playing a baby?

>>11507969
Mainframes still like to run on cobol. Much of it is inertia, but much of it is also that cobol's just that reliable.

>>11508544
Why is it so unbelievable that Luna would know Cobol?

>>11517830
Programming is muzukashii ok? no one but me understands it.

>>11513530
Oga is a lunaito for a reason

>>11504386
>>11508416
No, COBOL doesn't pay. You can earn way more by doing webshit and grinding leetcode a bit to get into a big company. The reason why they can't find people to do COBOL is that the pay is shit compared to the rest of the industry

>>11508420
Would it be harder to get computer jobs outside of Tokyo? I'm from a small country, Ireland, so I dont have a great frame of reference but outside of the capital it's very hard to get tech work. If you get it you're then looking at about 10k - 15k less.

>>11512803
Would it be harder to get computer jobs outside of Tokyo? I'm from a small country, Ireland, so I dont have a great frame of reference but outside of the capital it's very hard to get tech work. If you get it you're then looking at about 10k - 15k less.

>>11512803
>Tfw when you paying the same rent as Tokyo for a Harry Potter bed under the stairs.

God I fucking hate England

WHY DIDN'T FUCKERS POST THE LINK?
NOW I'M LATE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R7lgUFNdLI

>>11507600
It is, it's actually relatively good. For example, COBOL can handle decimals natively, while most other languages just have IEEE 754 floating-point numbers, which aren't as precise as you need to be in the banking industry.

COBOL runs on mainframe, which are their own little world, but pretty good at what they do. There's also inertia, nobody wants to change X millions lines of codes from Y to Z

>>11508371
She worked, she made a few jokes about deadlines, death marches and black companies just after. Also nobody learns COBOL for a hobby, you learn Python, JS or C if you're autistic

>>11508544
You'd be surprised by how little professional programmers know about their own tools. The other day a few of my colleagues thought that an access to an undefined property in JS would throw an exception

>>11511195
I would, if that person is a bit good/interesting. Web shit where chat can interact with it could be pretty good

>>11517168
The reliability comes from the mainframes and the contracts they come with. Nowadays you can put stuff on cloud services that comes with a SLA and it's pretty much the same thing. Mainframes aren't faster than "regular" servers from the same cost

>>11508970
I had always thought it was "tidy whitey". You learn something new everyday huh.

>>11502389
And she tried so hard to convince us she's 26 instead. Luna? Hime knows a lot of things, royal upbringing.

>>11504386
It also would make her old as fuck unless she picked it up for fun while studying, which is the definition of insanity.

>>11515924
>Also calling HTML a programming language lmao.
Yet you didn't react to SQL, almost as if you have a superficial knowledge of that stuff. "Oh, I thought she obviously meant SQL with CTEs". No you didn't

>>11518956
She also knows VBA. She was showing her age with both of those mentions.
Anyone that knows already knows, but those 2 alone put her in the 30s minimum.
God I'd love to have a programming session with Luna doing Luna things. All her variables are variations of "naa", "naaaaa", "naaaaaaaaa".

>>11519306
I did VBA for 2 years and I'm not even 25. Excel is everywhere, so VBA is everywhere. Also everyone knows COBOL, mostly as a joke, but everyone knows it

>>11519353
Cobol is a dead language. No cunt is going to remember that unless they actively worked with it or are actively interested in programming as a hobby.

That's cool. My grandma knew COBOL too; had no idea it was popular as a meme language for younger programmers now.

>>11519470
What do you mean, it was in the news everywhere a few months ago because the insurance system relied on it and didn't have enough manpower during the pandemic. Every programmer know the cliche of the "COBOL programmer in a big bank that has to wear a suit and tie to work", many older folks have worked with it/know people that have. Unless you're in a company that's entirely composed of 20-something fresh out of a JS bootcamp, you know about COBOL

>>11519668
...that's my point.

>>11519735
We may mean different things by "no cunt is going to remember that" then, my bad for misreading

>>11519770
I'm meaning the average person that goes through programming. It's only the older types that actively worked with it for a while that'll remember it, or those interested in it at a hobby level.
Even back when I was in college in 2005, we spent like 3 weeks on it. I only remember it because I've been interested in programming from a very young age when I had a ZX Spectrum and just generally the industry of languages that developed for weird niches like math and science orientated languages, proofing languages and weird esoteric shit like Brainfuck.

>>11519991
We didn't study it at all at college, but everyone knew it, and jokes about it were frequent. That was around 2015. Same thing at my job, though there are people from all ages. Maybe it's a country difference? I know that bank still recruit people to work with COBOL, even young people

>>11517830
Not know, but "know". Like I said it's probable that she heard or saw some of the syntax if she was into web coding, that wouldn't be exceptional. But does she "know" the code enough to make an application in it? Probably not.
I don't care that much about Ruby but if I take an hour or so to check the fundamentals, does it means that I "know" the language now? That's the kind of "know" we're talking about.

>>11520117
True, she could have easily been 19 and got hired by the banking industry since it's mainly used there, they are desperate for people even if only limited experience, just as long as they can be trained enough to a decent degree afterwards.

>>11502389
>She actually says C lang
That's bretty cute

>>11520681
It's the combo, Anon. How long ago would be that you'd learn Cobol, C and VBA. If she really was 26 she'd would know C, everyone does, and MAYBE learn COBOL if she was trained for it. But VBA? Could happen, but very unlikely.

>>11515469
How is Osaka? If I ever go to live, I've always thought to avoid Tokyo. I was thinking Osaka, Akita, or Hiroshima. Specifically because of the natural beauty. I'd like to like a Yuri Camp life

>>11521687
Yeah, that's my point in other posts, VBA is much more of a niche that dates her, even compared to Cobol. VBA is officially shitcanned so really it is just ageing people that know of it
That was dying off when I was at school. (my teacher wrote a book on that aids-hill of a language, which I believe I still have somewhere)

>>11521687
Yep, she's definitely older than me so around mid-thirties would be a reasonable guess.

So hold up. Luna is an old woman that accepted to act like a baby? That's.. specific.

>>11518723
It probably was when it started, as a way to show you change your underwear instead of just letting it ferment. Then boxers became cool and you got made fun of for hugging your balls to your body

>>11518956
Given the languages she knows she was probably an OL that did in-house software (VBA inside Excel and stuff like that) for some firm and got roped into fixing/maintaining some old-ass COBOL-based system.

>>11521885
That's correct. First time she put a birthday on her roommates, she would be 36. Later she tried to redact it, saying she was actually 26. But everything she does and says betrays her. From her taste in games, to music and what random bits of pop knowledge she has, also this as well.

>>11521961
>act

>>11522014
Younger girls are nice and everything, but there's something about older girls still knowing what's popular and keeping up with it that's really sexy. Usually people get stuck in whatever decade they're born in and grew up with and then never change, thinking anything new that comes after is "too much for me". If the bags accepted what they were, that's diamonds for me

>>11512523
pathetic reddit spacing old fart had his faggot ass blasted and is still butthurt?

>>11521961
>accepted to act like a baby
Anon...

>>11522485
There's also the fact that since they are older, they have more experience, and tend to me more motherly

>>11507600
cobol may be a complete piece of shit to work with but it's still good for banking databases and as somebody else pointing out it works in mainframes
I don't work with cobol but a friend of mine has been working with it for over ten years and he says it's not really replaceable everywhere even if you were willing to pay enough money to do so

>>11522485
Ah yes, I definitively. When you're at a certain age and point in life, you either want woman who's your age or older. Younger girls are too volatile, and while doesn't apply to all of them, the chance is high.

>>11522014
Anon, in japan knowing COBOL until a few years ago was necessary to get a qualification in 情報処理技術者試験 (Information-Technology Engineers Examination) and it's common to learn VBA in the job, also what you are doing is called doxx, you are also trying to fabricate a rrat that she addressed last year as false and created by nijisanji antis in 5ch.

>>11523552
>doxx
Fuck out of here, dumb /v/ kiddy. He posted nothing.

>>11522506
nooooooooo don't make fun of me
:(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

>>11523552
Not him, but that's not doxxing. I have the image some JP anon made where they compilated all holomens age, birthdates, and family composition. If I shared that, that'd be doxxing. This is not

>>11523793
>/vt/ - Virtual YouTubers
>1. All images and discussion should pertain to virtual YouTubers ("VTubers").
>2. All VTuber discussion should pertain directly to their streams and content. Off-topic and 'IRL' discussion will be deleted.
>3. Singling out individual VTubers for the purposes of trolling them will not be tolerated. Do not stalk or harass any VTubers.

>>11523926
Yeah, the rules sure are enforced here, number 3 is ignored literally all the fucking time.
Same with 1, in fact.

>>11523552
>you are doing is called doxx, you are also trying to fabricate a rrat that she addressed last year as false and created by nijisanji antis in 5ch
I think it's more "projecting his fantasies in reality", I don't care much about Hime's real age, but I love the idea of her being a hag

>>11523926
Also, fuck off again if I wasn't clear enough the first time.
If the rules were enforced you stupid kiddies would be banned back to your shit board with your tier lists and other cancer like NASFAGGOT threads.

anxiety

>>11523991
Keep crying

>>11524135
Thanks for admitting it, at least.
You retard children are why I have 56 threads hidden.

>>11524223
If your so sensitive you need to hide threads, you shouldn't be here. Remember to change your diapers daily, even if you don't use the bathroom. Anything that touches your unbathed body will absorb oils and will start to stink

>>11523926
>still doesn't address what doxx means
Those posts may or may not be breaking the rules but that isn't doxx at all. Retard.

>>11524376
These retard children don't know what dox means in the slightest.
It's literally only an issue in the west. Japan certainly has no fucking issue with their IRL identities being known. There's entire sites up with no issues.
These fucking idiot /v/tards think it is illegal kek

Go back fighting whether HTML is a programming language or not.

>>11524559
You are programming the layout of the page.
Is hardcoding an array with data not programming?
You are giving instructions to the browser in how to lay out graphics on the screen.
Browsers are capable of running entire OSes now.
Here's Windows 2000 in JS
https://bellard.org/jslinux/vm.html?url=win2k.cfg&mem=192&graphic=1&w=1024&h=768
So does that mean HTML now counts? HTML is also capable of templating that is turing complete.
Discuss.

>>11524434
> has no fucking issue with their IRL identities being known
go back to your discord server doxxniggers

>>11520298
she specifically mentions that she doesn't know Java later, and she probably checked it out (as does anyone who devs) so your theory doesn't hold water

>>11524739
It's not illegal. Deal with it, /v/idiot.
I don't care about whatever shit they get up to IRL, but it still isn't illegal and you can cry about it all you want.
Also fuck Discord.
And before you cite "b-b-but lawsuits", 1) who is the "doxxer" now? 2) all of them involved harassers, not knowledge.
>>11524828
I'm assuming she probably meant JS since she mentioned it immediately after HTML.

>>11507600
The ghost of COBOL will haunt this sinful world for eternity.

>>11524849
>I'm assuming she probably meant JS since she mentioned it immediately after HTML.
but then your theory makes even less sense because anyone who has touched HTML has seen JS syntax or even written a couple of snippets
COBOL fits none of what you said so I'd be inclined to believe she actually knows COBOL (and C too for that matter), or you know, hold on from any judgement until she confirms that she's held a dev job before

>>11524719
Don't mind me, just pirating this Windows 2000.

>>11524849
Go kiss Poka ass faggot, Luna only had paywalled content, and you think showing that is cool or normal? who's behaviour are you defending? kill yourself doxnigger, go back to discord

>>11525047
Oh I'm another person. I was just adding in some stuff.
>>11525133
https://files.catbox.moe/oau6h1.webm
It's funny you mention Discord, it's them that cry about leaks.

>>11502389
>COBOL
I mean, considering Japan still runs on fax machines I'm not surprised.

>>11524559
HTML is a markup language, so it's not a "programming language" in the usual sense. But so is SQL without CTE, and people have no issues saying that they program SQL. Saying "it's not a programming language" is usually a way for pedantic know-it-alls to feel superior. For actual discussion, search for "turing complete"

>>11524719
>Browsers are capable of running entire OSes now.
Browsers ARE entire OSes, and have been for about a decade, which is why everything is becoming web-based, and why everything is dogshit slow

>Here's Windows 2000 in JS
That's the dude that made qemu and ffmpeg by the way, that guy is really good

>HTML is also capable of templating that is turing complete
No, web components are not turing complete

>>11524828
No, Luna is just smart and avoided Java like the plague

>>11524963
It's not much compared to having to deal with fucking C

>>11525179
The world still runs on fax machines, we do some business around faxes at my company and it's growing every year. Fax is considered """secure""" compared to internet stuff, and needs specific hardware so things are slow to change

>>11525174
>Oh I'm another person. I was just adding in some stuff.
oh okay then, but what he said makes more sense for HTML, since basically everyone "knows" HTML after all

>>11525225
>The world still runs on fax machines
We barely even have cash here in Sweden anymore. We're very "modern" for better or worse. I don't know what the situation is like where you live but there's no company here still using fax.

>>11524719
>Is hardcoding an array with data not programming?
It is not, unless you're retarded enough to think changing the settings of a game/browser makes you a programmer. Moreover html is not turning complete.

>>11525225
Oh, apparently not, I was so sure HTML5 templates were turing complete. Maybe I misremembered something else.
I DO know that CSS3 combined with it is turing complete, however. But that's just cheating.
>>11525268
Cashless society can fuck right off and die. Anyone that goes full cashless here is getting no sales from me.

>>11525302
OH, it was C++ templates. I just found it right after I posted it. I knew it was something.
Talk about a shitheap... fucking C++.

>>11525302
>Cashless society can fuck right off and die. Anyone that goes full cashless here is getting no sales from me.
Right, I agree, but most first world countries have already moved past "outdated" concepts like physical currency and fax. Your third world country that still uses fax because they're scared of the internet doesn't count.

>>11525268
I can assure you that the big companies are still using fax, either themselves or because other companies need it. And I'm not talking about the third world or Japan, I'm talking about Europe and North America. But it's mostly a B2B thing

>>11525327
That's not really surprising, it's the classic case of someone making a "simple language" and actually making it turing complete. That happens pretty much all the time. That and someone saying "let's make a simpler configuration language than what already exists", and creating hell

>>11525302
I haven't touched a dollar bill nor coin in ages and there are self-service checkouts everywhere. Sadly it will take decades for this to become common in third-world countries.

>>11525529
Isn't it the opposite? Last time I looked into it, Africa and Asia were adopting cashless really fast, while Europe and North America were taking more time

>>11523793
No. You all know nothing bout what's happened during subachocoluna offline because you are fucking dumb eop clip faggots

>>11525763
Come back when you know English and try again.

>>11525829
My English is right. You just know nothing bout it.

>>11525921
Okay ESL.

>>11525969
Dumb eop monkey

>>11525997
Disregarding your ESLness, what the fuck does their offcollab have to do with anything in the first place? Who mentioned it?

>>11515628
I wonder if it's the same thing as that one episode of the amazing world of gumball where the banana guy's mom gets so stressed from work she becomes a retard

>>11515377
Lamy hoardes certificates? Like which ones?

>>11502389
You know, I wouldn't mind watching a stream of her just coding shit.

>>11525225
you just don't like java because it's interpreted and OOP but it has SOUL dammit!

>>11528827
The only problem with Java is that you have to work on Java projects if you do it for a living

>>11528654
Same. I've seen a few people do programming streams before and it is really relaxing.
Unironically I miss Terry Davis despite his fucking stupidity at times, his streams and insight were nice. (even if his overall toy OS would never be appreciated on a serious level outside of the concepts being polished properly)
There's some indie vtuber I see occasionally who is making some cute platformer game, but I always forgot their name from memory. They stream inconsistently and I have thousands of subs so yes.
>>11528891
This so much. ENTERPRISE QUALITY is a meme on /g/ for a reason, and most of that shit exists in Java.
Full, hardcore verbosity and function re-use to the extremes IS NOT FUCKING PRODUCTIVE. IT'S 2021, NOT 1980. JAVA RUNS AT NATIVE SPEEDS NOW.

>>11508928
seaniggers, please just go away, you are unwanted here

>>11519306
>God I'd love to have a programming session with Luna doing Luna things. All her variables are variations of "naa", "naaaaa", "naaaaaaaaa".
so much potential

>knows programming languages
what a fag

>>11525268
The world will never fully adopt these "modern" technologies for as long as the Internet is not 100% reliable. Did you hear how Facebook employees were unable to move around their fucking building when DNS went down because the fucking locks worked on the same network? I'm sure those guys had a few ideas about the wonders of the modern age at that exact moment. Similar shit happens in stores that don't accept cash - once the power goes down for whatever reason, they're literally unable to sell stuff (not to mention the cuts services like Visa or PayPal take).
Sometimes, reliability is valued higher than efficiency, and so we will never truly get rid of these old technologies. And there will always be some people ready to learn that stuff just to get paid a pretty penny because they're the only ones in town who can work with it.

>>11527512
CISSP, PMP and CISA

>>11530799
reality: AWS Associate certs

>>11519306
Can confirm, I'm 35 and those languages were relevant when I was in school. 2 or 3 years later schools were phasing those out.

Luna can do too many things with a keyboard.

>>11502674
Is it real? or it is the only voice she knows how to make, how were her previous like 15 roomamtes

>>11502389
Based office lady princess. She actually learned to code.

>>11502389
that list... VBA, SQL, and COBOL. smells like an accounting hag. or at least someone who works on accounting/ERP system.
our accounting hags makes access/excel based "apps" that are real headache when we have to do major upgrade of the ERP. they're the hidden/forgotten dependencies with zero documentation and no source control.

>>11507726
Im reading the manga of pic related. Its very cute and that girl bakes cookies.

>>11502389
So, where do I get started with this coding stuff? I'm in engineering, but apparently knowing being legitimately good at Excel counts for something, so I guess picking up a language or two wouldn't hurt

>>11530799
I guess Lamy had a career in information systems or something

>>11537235
C

>>11537235
Start with Python, it's the definitive beginner language. It's teach what programming is about, and a few good habits. You can branch out from there.
>>11538422
lolno

>>11537235
95% of what makes coding hard isn't actually the language, it's getting a computer set up so that it can run the programs you write. If you're an engineer then you understand basic logic and can surely understand higher-level concepts and beyond that, design patterns. Which means you do know how to code.

So yeah, beginner tutorials on python.

>>11519306
Imagine the keyboard ASMR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pBFfBZrbJM

>>11506817
And for this reason people are taking Cobol up again. Knowing Cobol will earn you the comfiest version of a coding job at any company that deals with legacy hardware have to offer.