/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>11538321
By perpetuating the false idea that the audience has a relationship with the idols and that they're helping them grow, typical idol shit
You ever wonder why Kpop fangirls are so rabid? It's the same idea. They really think it's their streaming of their music that's leading their idols to success. They feel it's a two-way street even when in actuality they receive no benefits.

>>11538321
cunny

>>11538321
It starts with employees who are loyal to their company. This sense of unity between the talents, their coworkers, and their management all spread trickle down into their fans, who in return, are also loyal to the company.

>>11538321
By being the first one

>>11538525
You yourself do not believe this saccharine bullshit.

>>11538429
I smell 2view jealousy. Keep coping.

>>11538321
They didn’t. It was reddit.

>>11538429
>By perpetuating the false idea that the audience has a relationship with the idols
Chat is the closest thing most hololive chuubas will ever get to having a boyfriend. The relationship is very real and it goes both ways.

>>11538617
I never said it was a bad thing. They're a very successful company. But they employ typical idol marketing techniques. Your superchats are not getting you close to Gura in the slightest.

>>11538321
I'm not loyal

>>11538321
Market control, I guess. Additionally, the happy family image makes the viewers feel like they're a part of something large.

>>11538658
And it's that line of thinking as to why they're so successful.

>>11538658
haha

>>11538429
Did cover really push for it tho? I feel like it was the fanbase who did so. For example, I remember how taboo looking up past lives of roommates was to redditors to the point where youtube videos would have majority of comments noting how bad and ''illegal'' it felt which was perpetuated by the community itself mainly

>>11538658
They are almost all young pretty women who know how to entertain. You have to imbibe literal cisterns of weapon-grade hopium to even consider producing something you just did. Just how?

>>11538658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSts2s4ba4

>>11538429
Interesting take. Holo fans do have a bit more of a relationship with their idols due to interactive nature of the medium, though.

bruh it's like no-one knows how idol fanbases work here

>>11538971
How? Enlighten me.

>>11538912
Kek, fuck you.

>>11538429
This. It's parasocial exploitation.

Personally, I think being entertaining is the point of streaming. If you can't amuse me, what use do I have for you? What reason would I have to pay you if services aren't rendered? Art for art's sake is just conceit. There's nothing wrong with that, until you expect to get paid for being conceited.

But they get away with it as women do by batting their cartoon eyelashes and being cute, leading to simps poisoning the medium with low expectations. This is why women need to be viciously gatekept out of hobbies, as their presence inevitable causes hobbies to devolve into the exploitation of thirstybois by women doing the absolute bare minimum to pander while genuinely good content gets ignored or stops being related simply because it's not as cost effective as simp farming.

Allowing women into fandom is a lot like allowing nations that use slave labor into the global marketplace. At that point you're just racing to the bottom and the only people who win out are profiteering companies with no moral scruples or any concern for the common man's desires.

I already withdrew my figurative investment in vtubers and went full cash gang. Either quality or interest is going to plummet, and either way it seems like a lose-lose.

>>11539030
I no good with words but just go to an idol concert and you understand

>>11538912
>>11538857
>>11538708
>>11538714
They're hikkikomoris, autists and menharas. You'd have to be either retarded or schizo to think they don't use chat as surrogate boyfriends.

Did they? I watched holo exclusively and after council I started watching niji

>>11539586
You're very, very naive.

>>11539586
Worse than camwhore, unironically. I've seen camwhores that at least pretend to offer paypigs the chance to fly out and fuck them. Vtubers are basically a dead end as far as gfe is concerned.

>>11539716
>t. blackpilled random anon

>>11539586
Not any of those posters but I agree. Though believing that some don't have boyfriends is cope, even mentally ill women have boyfriends. I have female friends that deaperately try to turn me into their surrogate/emotional boyfriend when they're lonely and it's annoying as fuck. With vtubers at least I'm entertained.

>>11539516
Coomer pandering will occur whether women actually join hobbies or not. If 3D women didn't cosplay as anime girls men would still draw those same sexy anime girls and poorly made eromanga would still sell like hotcakes. You cannot stop the human libido from leaking into one's hobbies. Even fucking airplane enthusiasts are drawing porn of airplanes fucking each other unless you want to advocate for strong censorship.

>>11539550
This would require me to cross borders, so no. Provide text instead.

>>11538321
By having some considered standards and not deviating from them very much.

is this one schizo just samefagging about how much they hate parasocial relationships and the hologirls
did like some holomember not read your akasupa and now you're delving into a phase of bemoaning how they're so exploitative and don't requite your love

>>11539870
>he fell for the crossboarding meme
It's the 4chan equivalent of virginity kek.

>>11539923
No, I quite literally would have to hop on a plane and fly to Japan or at least Korea, which is about 6601km away from where I am.

>>11539716
>You're very, very naive.
You're either a clipnigger who doesn't actually watch streams or a gullible retard who believes schizo rrats. Or both.

>>11539733
>vtubers don't offer sex
>this makes them worse than literal whores
Interesting logic, Anon.

>>11538429
This is what every vtuber and streamer does.
Bring a better argument next time

>>11539870
Ok, so like you understand how football teams work or other sports teams work? You root for them to win and do well and feel attached to the brand. The only reason you have not to feel attached to the brand is if corporate fucks over the idols. With idols you especially get attached, with idols that livestream everyday even more. That's how cover "created" such brand loyalty, all they needed to do was not fuck up, and the fans want to root for their idols to do well and succeed without needing any prompting. What do you think the original clip channels were doing when they got no views, why they were clipping? To spread the girls, because they want them to do well, because they care about the idols winning, just like a sports team. You can critique this if you want, but like, it's just obvious from idol culture, it doesn't require some deep psychoanalysis or anything.

>>11539516
why is it always the faggots who talk so much?

>>11540112
nobody would listen to them if they didnt monopolize the airwaves.
Faggot brains don't consider that maybe they should focus on quality over quantity.

>>11540077
Never had any interest in sportsfaggotry. Have zero loyalty to or interest in Cover. All that matters to me is if girl is entertaining or not. What am I doing wrong?

>>11540030
Sure, they all do it. Hololive just leans into it the most. Why do you think they can't talk about having boyfriends?

>All this 2view cope
Hololive has a strong hold for 3 main reasons

1) They brought the boom of vtubers to the west, which led to a whole new internet phenomenon that is free of charge to enjoy
2) Unlike Nijisanji, Hololive let us take a dip into JP streamers like Korone, Coco, Marine, Haachama and Fubuki which was like exploring a new foreign unknown world of entertainment and having them reciprocating and having them pandering to us was all the more endearing
3) Picking actual good streamers, people like Gura and Calli already had already big follow ups, in top of hiring talented people like Ina and people dead in the water that had lot of potential like Kronii.

But overall Myth was THE vtuber hit because of their synergy, you had the spotlight meme shark girl, the music girl, the multi-language girl, the drawing girl and LA CREATIVIDAD. Myth complement each other so well, it is the dream team.

>>11540335
No streamer that cares about her paypig base would talk about having a boyfriend, corporate or indie.

>>11540400
It's the difference between a choice to make more money and a contractual obligation.

>>11539838
>even mentally ill women have boyfriends
Mental illness and and nymphomania are truly the deadliest combination

>>11540357
HoloFantasy mogs HoloMyth in every possible way EOP-kun

>>11540480
Yup, I stuck my dick in crazy and got stalked for 6-8 months straight.

>>11540622
its never worth it...

>>11540334
Nothing wrong. People enjoy things in different ways. That's how I enjoy most streamers of just, if they're entertaining or not. For Hololive and Holostars, I do like living vicariously through them. I was there when they were small, seeing them get larger and do well makes me happy. Even if they're not my friend, they remind me of my real friends, so I don't really see any problem with rooting for them even if I don't know them personally. At the end it's just for the fun of it, feeling like your bearing witness to something larger even if you're just a viewer. Like, Suisei's success story of from a nothing indie to now the top of the charts really moved me. It's fun to be a supporter even if I get nothing material out of it, I just get the happiness of seeing someone I like do well.

Economies of scale.

>>11540454
Well, that I can't argue. Shame "streaming for fun" indies are not much fun...

>>11540507
>Only 1 out of the 5 gens (somewhat) mogs EN
Thanks for proving my point

>>11538429
>By perpetuating the false idea that the audience has a relationship with the idols and that they're helping them grow, typical idol shit
>You ever wonder why Kpop fangirls are so rabid? It's the same idea. They really think it's their streaming of their music that's leading their idols to success. They feel it's a two-way street even when in actuality they receive no benefits.
fpbp
anyone retarded to feel the need to donate to "help" their oshi is being taken advantage of

>>11541270
>somewhat
Cope

>step one- create a way for people who couldn't be idols in the traditional sense of realizing that dream virtually.

Oh wait that's all the steps. Ever one else is a vtuber agency and Cover is an idol agency specializing in 'virtual entertainment from Japan' and the idol thing has a lot of cachet. There's a reason why kpop and jpop idol agencies use the book, its the same reason two middleaged (now elderly) Swedes controlled the us pop market with their own version of the book. Because it works. The idol book goes down to every detail from fashion to dance moves, Cover didn't even need all of it, just enough to leverage what worked in a digital space. Every misstep comes down to their digital version of the book as well because there's shit it just does not cover. Pun not intended. But they're following a scientifically refined model for idols in a digital space and its working.

japan and america are the two main countries the fanbase is from and both have been trained for decades by corporations to suck their dick no matter what happens

>>11541418
Shithead

>>11542231
>does not mention the book title

>>11542361
Get a part-time job or your oshi won't eat anon

2views seething and coping: The thread

>>11542391
Its just 'the book' and yeah all my reps are so I can get my hands on a copy and realize my own hopes and dreams. and this wasn't some rrat it was talked about in EN articles on the ido! Phenomenon back in the late 90s early 00s

>>11538321
They established themselves inn the EN market before their competition. THATS IT. They found a new demographic and monopolized.

kys braindead shart.

>>11542655
When you realize that saying idols utilize idol marketing techniques isn't an insult then you can truly be free

>>11542684
Stop teasing, I want to read the hallowed text!

>giving money to someone who's much richer than you
i'll never understand this retardation

>>11542880
Ever went to a concert?

>>11538321
>have "talents" attract the "Free Hong Kong" crowd with controversy
>debut a loli character around the same time
It's not rocket science.

>>11542912
>buying a ticket you have to buy to experience something is the same as giving away money for the sake of it
no, never and i don't plan on ever doing so btw

>Holo has the views
>But niji gets the shoutouts from music composers, companies, and devs
I'll never understand how Finana and Selen can get game devs to offer them deal and exclusive rights, while simultaneously telling Holo to never touch their games/music/content with a 20 ft pole

>>11542978
But you don't have to SC, I'd argue that you should only directly support literal 2views in this manner in the first place.
Subscription is essentially a ticket.

>>11543011
Name at least three of those deals and rights then.

>>11543011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lae6I8ikUxQ
but were they offered the most epic bird sound ever from the devs themselves
(impressive how everyone wants korone's attention, doom, sonic etc)

>>11543011
Ochinchin (which holo is excluded from playing)
Blood hunt (which holo has been getting delayed permissions to stream)
and Finana or Rosemi is a voicepack in some game

>>11543348
But that's almost nothing...

>>11543348
meant for
>>11543169

>>11542865
So do i! I'm bringing it up in the hopes that some fucking day walker brings a leaked copy over from 2ch where im sure it'll leak first. The difficulty is that I think it was KR original!y and no JP wants to admit to using it. Which explains why my 20± year search is stalled.

>>11543382
Do i need to call FIFA about your goalpost moving potential?

>>11543104
it's not a ticket, a ticket is a sine qua non to access a concert, it covers the cost of the equipment, of the location and the salary of all the people who worked to put everthing in place, some who have shit wages.
here i'm using my electricity, my computer, my internet and they already have recovered their material investments hundreds of times over, they earn plenty from merch and sponsorships

it's less akin to buying a ticket and more to throwing money at the hobo who's playing some guitar in the streets for a few coins, except the hobo is wearing a Rolex and will have diner in a Michelin 2*, and you're not throwing a few coins but a substancial % of your income

>>11543348
Don't forget the one that makes Holotribalists seethe the hardest
>Walfie becoming a die hard Pomu simp

>>11543485
Thankfully I'm not throwing a substantial percent of my income at just two T1 subs. It comes down to about 6 bucks or so, and I'm willing to pay that for member karaoke.
Not a cent more though.

>>11538658
This is next level delusion

>>11543467
Perhaps. I expected something actually meaningful.

>>11543626
Were you expected a Taco Bell nod perhaps?

>>11543759
Not something that high-level, of course, but a game that I would actually know existed, for example.

New quest: was Guru's initial incompetence at fisher price dwarf fortress... I mean Minecraft... A huge buff in and of itself?

>>11540650
I reread your comment and it dawned on me that I never thought about it this way. Maybe it's the function of being late to the EN1 party, not to mention JP. It will be interesting to see how my thoughts on EN2 end up.
Thanks.

>>11543805
I mean, BearMario showed up just to talk to Pomu and compliment her karaoke. Dunno what came of it after but getting the composer for essentially all of Touhou
only other time he showed up for Holo was to make fun of Marine

>>11543934
It worked with the cute loli-like avatar for those protec feefies, so yes.

>>11543934
>initial
In all her incarnatins, Gura has been bad at vidya save rhythm games

>>11538321
All I know is I want Kiara to sit on my face while she blathers endlessly about her cats

>>11538658
Oh no no no no

>>11538658
This copium is 99% pure

>>11544478
Deserving of being saved.

>>11538658
Laughable.

>>11544478
too pure, need at least 30% oxygen to prevent overdose

>>11544656
>They don't have boyfriends
>This is their only social interaction
That anon has a deathwish. He's just lucky he isn't a Mumei-stan or he'd be in a casket by now

>>11544009
those two minutes of guilt tripping the audience during her shark stream in combination with her loli avatar is what propelled her to the top

>>11545129
I'm not quite sure two minutes is enough. You can't exclude feverish and talented clipbaiting either.

>>11543411
How did two old swedes get a hold of it then?

>>11545205
not enough per se but it started some hardcore snowball effect, she also did the gap thing by sucking at a game and playing her very best genre the next stream, i don't know how much of that was on purpose but her first three streams played a strong social psychology game

>>11538321
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/

>>11545650
Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely not arguing against the fact that there is a strong guidance behind Gura somewhere in Cover management. I just think it has quite a lot more of moving parts than just this or that stream action. Your example of skill gap fits that perception to a T.

>>11545804
yes, i was making a hyperbolic statement by saying it was just those two minutes, what i meant by that is that from her very first stream she knew how to endeer herself to her audience and those two minutes exemplify it incredibly well

let me look for them by the way :
https://youtu.be/cOo10ndXtmk?t=6120
here, just look, the timing in the stream is just perfect, near the end enough to avoid spoiling the mood for the whole stream but with a enough time afterwards to avoid leaving on that note, plugged her next stream and gave people reasons to want to come back (i wonder why it's not archived, the rythm game one i mean), appealed to the saviorfags who were going crazy back then on social media

i could spend a while analyzing her first streams, if she did it accidentally she's a natural (who also got the cunny buff and a voice to go with it)

>>11546381
Dude, you really have an eye for this, so you should!
I only ever notice the more obvious stuff, probably the function of me not being there when it happened.

Considering Gura's "naturalness", it's still 50/50 for me. A lot of stuff she does seems so spontaneous in the moment, but then fits a little too well retrospectively. And then sometimes she is a bona fide eyes rolling what the fuck am I even watching retard.

>>11543977
Glad I helped you see a different perspective. A lot of the girls and holostars also have the same perspective on why they liked idols before joining, idols are like people who are there to make dreams come true. As an audience member, even if my dreams in real life fail and life's shit, at least I can root for my idols and see someone I like dreams come true. Especially when I've been with them since they were small, it feels nice to watch them explode in popularity and enjoy seeing at least some people that I feel deserves it be able to be achieve their dreams of being a star.
It's probably harder to see that viewpoint though if you came in once they were already the most popular agency and already achieving their dreams.
Most of the other vtubers I watch tho, I just watch & drop for entertainment and don't really have attachment to except for if they're funny or not, the same as normal streamers. The Holo girls and boys are just different to me, like the idol part was never to me about not being in relationships or anything, but to watch a group achieve their dreams. Honestly probably the easiest way to convey my emotions would be to just show the idolmaster anime, it really does do a good job of communicating the emotions involved and why people are idol fans.

>>11546802
You can join us with >>11546381 as well, I think we're on to something here.

>>11538321
Because their competition is shit. No I'm not talking about niji or any apexsanji shit, their audience is different. There isn't any other comparable "virtual idol" group similar to Hololive.

>>11538658
This got me thinking. For a profession/hobby where the performer's face is hidden, isn't it weird that so many of them are arguably attractive anyway?

>>11538321
They gained attention with high quality talents, they gained popularity by new practices on well-known concept, they gained respect with turning their back on zhangs.

They didn't, corporations as a whole are just intensifying it.

>>11546381
She's absolutely a natural but obviously she'll play some stuff up for fun. It's never in a bitter way and always includes the audience. It wasn't archived because that chinese company pulled their support for cover after the Coco yab.

>>11538321
because everyone loves a good underdog story

>>11559294
>they gained respect with turning their back on zhangs
Anyone willing to do that will gain my respect, whether they lose it through other means is a different story, they'd have to fuck up badly though.

>>11559581
all centralized power structures are like this.

>>11559294
Someday you'll learn that "zhangs" are right there in their boardroom. This manufactured conflict exists mostly in your head anyway.

>>11562507
And you may never understand you can't escape the consequence of your evil deeds just by lying 1 billion times

>>11563468
Nice empty statement.

>>11562106
woah there polsci major

>>11538321
>cover
>manage
Cover never manage nor create anything. The only thing they got going is luck. It was 100% on the girls to create the loyal fanbase they have today.

>>11562507
Memory-holing past events doesn't make them non-existent, zhang-wanabe.

>>11539586
True, but their relationship with chat doesn't progress much after a while, and it's easy for them to say it was never real.
There's nothing that says they can't have a fulfilling love life with chat, but it's a challenge for chat to satisfy them. Chat itself has satisfaction issues, with regulars coming and going.
Some girls may see it as a real dating experience, but a fairly casual one.

>>11538658
Based retard

>>11558731
it is
which means they aren't that attractive, or they are, and have serious menhera issues

>>11538482
the art and animation looks like dogshit.

>>11565668
or that they are past their prime (think Korone and Botan), or are too unhealthy for conventional idolshit that needs you to be really fit (think Luna and Rushia). Some are not really conventionally attractive but have lots of charm that the avatar allows to shine.
In any case, wearing a mask cultivates interest while also letting you go outside without having to sign 5000 autographs, it's a pretty sweet deal (Daft Punk interviews help with understanding that)

>>11538658

>>11538321
it's more about what they didn't do.

>>11571013
your face looks like dogshit

>>11571776
There are probably some Stacy cases that join because they see this as an opportunity but without the exposure, at this point if I was a company filtering those during a background check would be a step since controlling them properly would be harder.

>>11539586
God I fucking wish, the only one I could think of being like that would be nyanners because of possible unironic autism. Also in Japan idols are forbidden to have bfs/gfs however if vtubers weren't in this business they'd have absolutely no trouble finding a bf

>>11576488
Most viewers of vtubers actually think on a subconscious level that the person their watching is their gf or at the very least friend.
It's nothing new every part of the world experiences this phenomenon, but it's especially bad in Japan and Japanese-based entertainment

>>11576597
Some are schizo enough to think that about completely fictional characters, imagine if you put an organic human behind that avatar and not a mere script.

>>11571776
>or that they are past their prime (think Korone and Botan)
I'm curious; When is a womans prime, Anon?

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