/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>11709990
ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

Today’s schedule looking really lean
>Pekora already streamed
>Botan, Noel and Miko on Matsuri channel
>Rushia out
>That Moona stream in the screen is a mischedule.

I don’t think Iofi will be carrying the day.

comfy thread

>>11710060
>Today’s schedule
Moona's fang looking really cute

Petra won the day. I think she is finally blossoming into a Gura killer.

>>11710106
Based penguin killing the Shark

>>11710106
same>11702755 "joke" twice, anon?

>>11710106
same>>11702755 "joke" twice, anon?

Yesterday's superchats

>>11710226
>Suzy barely gets $6.9k on a costume reveal
please give more... she must be starving with that little money...

>>11710204
Don’t tell me Nijiniggers will start to post this every thread like all the other shits

>>11710272
What Nijifag would earnestly suggest that Petra has 410 billion live viewers when there are only 200 billion beings in this galaxy?

>>11710226
Does Suisei not have gachis or something? Why is her sc game so weak? Toko got a lot more than that for her outfit reveal that had only 20k viewers. She is higher than her in total sc though, but only because she has almost twice as many streams. Toko gets more sc on average.

>>11710226
ty, anon

>>11710060
>11. Kiara
>12. Kuzuha
"king" was mogged

>>11710329
Hello newnon, Nijifans do not spam SCs, w8 for special occasions to do so.

Real mogged

>>11710329
People already spent there money on the Concert and the album

>>11710243
>>11710329
Suisei was never really a superchat powerhouse, and it's likely that her fans are low on spending money with the recent album and upcoming live and its merch. And read the Toko title, that was her birthday as well so of course she made more.

>>11710397
Pekker's morning stream hurts my soul.
Fuck you Pekkers, wake up at 1pm or something.

>>11710397
Gura-killer

>>11710384
Still, Toko gets more sc than Suisei on average as I said. It's very rare to see a Niji girl doing better than a holo in sc, specially one that gets way more viewers in comparison.

>>11710428
?

>>11710504
is this stats for 2021?

>>11710504
>Toko total live streams
298 times
>Suisei total live streams
529 times

>>11710329
Suzy's not that great on the GFE spectrum even with all the Hornyomi around. I guess people spent more money on the album and the concert tickets.

>>11710518
What about Ayame? Total live streams doesn't seem to matter.

>>11710418
Suisei herself would rather people bought her music / stream her music than superchat, it gave more contribution to her as a singer.

>>11710513
This is their totals, for 2021 it's
>Hoshimachi Suisei - $232,687
>Inui Toko - $147,469
>>11710518
Should've streamed more then, if we're using averages then Ayame is the most successful vtuber in the world

>>11710518
OOF>>11710577

>>11710576
+ im sure she gets more from this

>>11710570
>>11710576
Yea, I mean iirc, she actively discourages it and I'm almost certain I remember hearing her talk about this topic and that if she started doing it, she'd have to keep doing it and it wasn't something she was interested in pursuing. May have been a members stream? It's hard to keep track of all this shit, too many hours of content.
Regardless, Suisei has never been a SC magnet and I bought her album anyways. I'd buy the mech, but overseas shipping...

>>11710577
>>11710585
>>11710617
>428 total
Actually way more than Calli's 330 total streams and she is way higher than Ayame on the board.

>>11710397
Sugoi, now those are some numbers from Vshojo.
I really wish YT hadn't don't that bloody forsaken update last December, otherwise we could properly 1:1 compare these streams.

>>11710672
yep, she said please don't get too obsessed with her because that would only tire each other out, and she understand that sometimes it's unavoidable.

>>11710397
*raided (as usual)

>>11710577
Every Ayame stream is a buff stream tho (either celebration or plain return to disappear again)

>>11710397
>Raided

Also, how did it even pick 20k. It's 16k on twitch tracker.

>>11710397
nyanners peaked at 16.5k. Still a good number

>11710397
Keep in mind that this fag is the only one here who still uses this undead and irrelevant site to numberfag with his favourite vwhores.

>>11710752
>>11710765
Cope Holofaggots
Big number > Small number
Pink Nyanners > Blue Nyanners

>>11710682
Well yeah she streamed a decent amount back in 2018, 2019 and even for most of 2020, it's only in the last year or so that she took so much time off. She streamed 48 times in 2021 so far and made $348,544, and she still hasn't had her birthday yet

>>11710752
>>11710765
>piyo
Seems like this place dodged a bullet, they almost became the source of truth for this thread

>>11710813
>big number > small number
>16.5k>19.4k
???

>>11710820
It was a good website when twitch was not added.

>>11710836
A good website is one that does not close for “excessive cost for a hobby project”

>>11710397
>>11710827
>clearly says 20,627
Are Holofaggots really coping and seething that hard that they'll make up numbers just to seem like they're still relevant? rumao

>>11710836
ngmi

>>11710397
where niji?

>>11710942
VShojo are honorary Nijis therefore get fucked Holofaggots.

The baiter created a split and just got trashed by the meido.

>even bait and shitposting are garbage
Is creativity dead?

>>11710983
Since Nijis are failing, ypu now use Vshojo and even have the audacity to call them honorary nijis.
What kinda crack are you smoking?

>>11710329
Her fans just spent quite a lot of money on her album and concert, give them a break.

>11710983
Who hurt you? Are you a 2view? Even Sullygnome tracked nyanners stream at around 15-16k.

>>11711000
VShojo's creativity and freedom is far closer to the ideals and culture of Nijisanji compared to hololive with its curated experience.

>OH NO NO NO NO NO HAHAHAHA
I’m actually getting uneasy here. What if CrunchyHime inclines for real?
She’s cute, she can handle the audience, she has a lax schedule.

If she ever tops Selen it’s over

>>11711107
To think that NijiEN might lose their top 3 to a fucking corpo mascot out of all things

If even vshoujo can get good numbers, what's stopping nijien?
Is twitch really the main factor?

>11710884

seething 2view has to fake data lol

>>11711150
VShojo is uncontested on witch

>>11711165
why don't the nijis just stream on twitch then

>>11711165
It’s more than that. Nyanners, Ironmouse and Melody all had a established presence and an active audience even before HoloEN, and they were perfectly positioned to ride the wave.

>>11711150
Minecraft buff. They have MC server now that's not exclusive to Vshojo talents only. Sykuno was there today. Also raids are a thing in twtich.

>>11711187
Where Vshojo dominates and leave YouTube uncontested for Holos to take over forever? No way.
>>11711162
He should learn how to use inspect element, at least it's a bait with effort in it

>>11711162
>>11711235
https://piyo.chats.ninja/ranking/daily/2021-10-20

>>11710000
someone just remove that inconsistent misinforming trash until it's properly working (and funded kek) again

>>11711235
Yea, there's definitely a 'pride' bit behind it, as I'm almost certain NijiEN would do much better on Twitch. 'Our main competitors to our main branch succeed in YT in the English market, we can absolutely do the same!'
-proceeds to get mogged-
And thus they end up considered as HoloLite and will languish in the shadow of HoloEN as long as they stay on YT, barring some miracle happening.

>>11711374
It's not even in the first post, it's not been added back. Cross-referencing the numbers against Sullygnome, which I trust 10000x more for any Twitch data, is plenty good enough, the shitposter is obviously going to use bad info on a zombie site just because they can. It does make me wonder how the hell it caught a peak of 20k vs 16k though.

>>11711383
If they're gonna deliberately go out of their way and move to Twitch to be in 2nd place again and lose to Vshojo anyways might as well not embarrass themselves.

Selen is a views black hole in nijien [pic relate]

>>11711463
Pomu has to become a streetwalker to beat her today

>>11711463
I bet other girls must hate her so much

>>11710752
>>11710765
Who's giving her the raid?
Connor or other e-celebs?

>>11711477
>7.5k cumulative CCV
Looks like a success to me from the business's perspective. Which is the obvious issue at play with these agencies. What's in the best interest of the corporation isn't necessarily in the best interest of the talents. Or vice versa.

>>11711579
Lazu alone used to have that number. The pie is not growing, but the share is getting smaller.

>>11711579
If they were on twitch at least they could consolidate those views by raiding each other
Imagine if just selen could directly dump her viewers on her friends, it would be a big help to their overall growth
Their management is retarded

>>11711383
>And thus they end up considered as HoloLite
I blame that on Pomu and Pomufags. She clearly positioned herself as an alternative to holoEN fans that would be looking for something other than Myth, and they did the legwork to spread the idea.

Selen is the exception, she clearly positioned herself to catch the EN Nijisanji fanbase (however small that may be) and her standing is much better than all other girls in her branch.

>>11711579
>Looks like a success to me from the business's perspective
Hell no, they’re actually stuck at the same levels pre 3rd wave.

>>11711616
selen just positioned herself to catch the apexfags, she didn't do much different besides leech off the niji apexfags instead of leech off of holo en

>>11711579
So how many more waves can we expect for this successful branch?

>>11711743
If they're smart, they'll hold off for a little bit after wave 4 (males) and re-evaluate. If they don't care, expect another 15+ in 2022.

>>11711743
As many as it takes one line intersect another line in their projections.

* Top streams on live-ranking so far *
Missing ClockGirl, @16.5k

Assuming that's it for Kuzuha and Pekora today will be a very skinny day for numbers, a 23k may take the day

>>11711743
they have 6 waves for their indonesian and korean branches that get amazing numbers like this

>>11711822

>>11710752
>>11710765
Remember
When you look at Vshojo's numbers

>>11710752
>>11710765
>>11711857
>TWITCH RAIDS AREN'T FAIR!
>HOLOLIVE BOX PUSHING AND VIEW FUNNELING IS!

the amount of ass hurt vshojo in these threads will never not be entertaining

>>11711857
I wouldn't say completely meaningless, but the numbers should definitely be taken with a grain of salt and really can't be compared to YT numbers in a 1:1, even more so due to ccv culling on YT.
For example, if they're able to hold on to a significant amount of the post-raid numbers for a long period of time, that's something that should be noted.

>>11711886
If YouTube had raiding we'd regularly see multiple holos hitting 50k peaks from dumping 10k+ viewers on each other.

>>11711811
I hope this happens just because of how interesting it would be. Imagine trying to dump 15 waves of NijiENs onto their current fan base. I bet they’d lose their better talents from Lazulight and Obsydia, because why the hell would you stay under those circumstances?

>>11711915
Not 15 waves, good lord. I meant 15+ livers, so 4-5 waves.

>>11711886
BOX PUSHING is different from e-celebs raid
E-celebs raid is like passive leeching

>>11711915
It's the new waves that get fucked with how Niji works, not the old ones. What'll happen is the only people who'll bother joining Niji are people who would be alright with Prism/Cyber/etc tier numbers, since that's where their new waves are heading fast.

Everyone who wants to actually make a lot of money won't settle for anything less than Holo or even VShojo

>>11711938
They're already releasing another wave confirmed. The male wave, wave 4. That's likely 3-4 people so all they need is another wave and they'll be there. It's the Nijisanji way, quantity over quality. Their branding already starts meaning less and less in EN.

>>11711948
Stop giving the shitposter (you)s c'mon, the thread isn't anywhere near bump limit yet.

>>11711962
I meant in addition to what they'll have after wave 4, so like 30ish talents total by the end of 2022.
That's probably more likely than them caring about the current waves, since that sounds like the Niji expansion strategy looking at KR/ID.

>>11711535
Raid from https://twitchtracker.com/jerma985/streams/44133246333

Timestamp + chatspam on receiver end

>>11711962
They're just not used to the dirty holonigger strategy of view funneling and box pushing and forgot that the EN audience on youtube works in that way due to hololive's influence there. NijiJP has a lot of streamers but it still works since they don't have any strong overlaps with each other. Holos get exposed as midgets when they do multi-POV events while Kuzuha can stream together with 100 different people and get his usual numbers.

the moment youtube implements raids and holos start using them you'll see how everyone ITT suddenly accepts them as a perfectly valid and legitimate source of views

>It's February 2022
>NijiEN just released their 15th wave
>Mado had to create a separate page just for EN girls, the server costs were too unbearable to track all their streams
>Every night all 60 of them overlap in the 2 hours span no HoloEN were streaming
>They all fight to steal each others audience: bath streams, ASMR streams, even sex toy streams are not out of question
>Several gangs formed among the girls, and they're taking the fight to the next level
>IRL home raids, swatting and even an airstrike was called on the Syrian one that got hired for wave 13 to try to court the middle east audience
>the bottom ones entered in debt and became property of the top ones
>Selen has 7 maid servants among the chuubas, Pomu, only 3
>with the pool of applicants getting smaller and the competition becoming rougher, NijiEN management is recruiting from prisons now

>Tonight was a special night: all of the girls declared a truce and made a special stream to celebrate
>Each of their gangs got assigned a slot for a peace signing relay
>Tonight they beat all records for a non debut combined CCV
>All of their POV together added up to
8k

>>11711886

>>11712216
>view funneling
>no one is forced to

>>11712221
Well not much to do if it does come to that, just like how not much we can do when youtube changed the system on how views are counted. We'll probably at least still try to note the points when there's a raid and focus more on average than peaks.

>>11711107
I'm astonished this many people showed up to watch Hime.

>>11710290
NTA but you can watch on multiple devices

>>11712429
Well, I'm shocked zoomers watch Crunchyroll

>>11712474
That doesn't work anymore on youtube

>>11712509
All those 3 digit views are hurting my eyes

>>11712221
We'll kind of be forced to, since it'll be a universal feature across all relevant mediums. But then we'll have people arguing about peak, "real peak" average ect, it'll be a clusterfuck.

>>11712499
I mean, multiple devices with multiple accounts of course

>>11712574
>There are people with 2 digits views

>>11712489
Even if people watch Crunchyroll, I wouldn't have expected those people to show up to watch their attempt to cash in on the vtuber trend with a mascot.

Iofi you can do it!!
25k!
..way to optimistic or not guys?

>>11712585
Yea. The biggest thing with Twitch is that one has to manually cancel out of a raid, whereas the current 'beta' feature on YT is just a redirect to premiere that doesn't even force you if you have auto-play turned off. If they force a 'yt raid' even with autoplay off...yegh.

>>11712713
I doubt if she can even reach 10k

>>11712629
There are people with 0 views just talking to themselves as if they had an audience, praying that people will notice their efforts some day.

>>11712509
>1 watching

>>11712713
Anya had 30k peak so probably around the same. In comparison, her 1st costume reveal peaked at 10k

>>11712429
She's kinda cute actually. She's used to performing to an online audience. The only issue I have with Hime is that they gave up immediately who she was so the kayfabe is kinda broken day 1

>Gura lost 17k (-13%)
>Pekora gained 17k (+22%)
>kuzuha lost 9k (-15%)

Chuuba chat stat updated with September data
https://www.kaggle.com/uetchy/vtuber-livechat?select=chat_stats.csv

expect a chart soon, not from me though

My numberfagging soul is happy to see someone actually know how to shill her stuff.

>>11712574
>>11712629
Bear in mind that in order to get into holodex you need at least 20k subs or have a dedicated clipper that's already on holodex. You are looking at the ones that have made it, relatively speaking. There are tons more out there who don't even qualify to be added to holodex.

>>11712713
15k max

>>11712629
>There's someone with only 1 view.

>>11711837
Kuzu stream shouldn't be counted no? Since he only restart his stream. This is the same content as the one with 26k peak right?

>>11712776
in relay

>>11712899
If we go by the criteria that's been used before whenever a stream gets restarted like this (Gura, He-ayame) then this shouldn't count, unless I'm missing important info.

>>11712923
Oh right, I forgot about that

>>11712899
Yeah because Pekora and Gura also didn't have their streams counted at some point.
But ofcourse nijifags would debate against it since they're hungry for an achievement

https://twitter.com/blacksurgenight/status/1450688227141046277
Nijisanji collabing with the Big daddy pooh approved version of Azur lane

>>11713029
>bilibili

>>11710106
>963 likes

>>11713029
Is this even known in EN or is this CN/JP exclusive?

>>11713068
It goes deeper than that actually, Black night surge seems to be bilibili's, and by extension the CCP's attempt to wrest control of Azur Lane's market share after Manjuu has proved to be less than willing to play along with the CCP

>1000+ subs a day
>casually hitting 4.3k on a 16 years old game
>61k avg video views, higher than Roboco with her 750k+ dead subs
Idgaf about the Erythia losers, it's helping Selen incline and I'm happy with that.

>>11713105
I think YoStar is mainly headquartered in Japan now but is Manjuu still in CN? are they not getting ready to jump ship?

>>11713029
People complaining that they're forcing them to use special collab only tickets and they can't use normal summoning tickets.

>>11713141
They are but jumping ship out of china is tricky even in the best of times, not to mention that the chinese market holds about 35% of their total revenue. I'm pretty sure they won't jump ship unless the CCP practically forces them to.

>>11712712
If you have charisma people will watch you.

>>11713141
Shanghai. They have a JP headquarters, but the issue with this sort of thing is always your family. If you can't ensure their safety, it doesn't matter if you move, they just send thinly vieled compliance requests that mention how so and so lives here, or the safety of so and so...
Who knows if this takes off or not, but if the CCP is pushing for this then it's less likely to flop.

>>11713029
And Kamitsubaki's vsingers has performed the game's theme song. So?

>>11713029
Wait I didn't even notice it at first, I thought this was AzurLane not some chink ripoff. The style was so similar I didn't even doublecheck.

>>11713241
But azurlane IS a chink ripoff?

>>11713241
I'm pretty sure it's deliberate because of everything surrounding the current state of china's entertainment industry and the CCP clamping down on all of it

>>11713241
Azur Lane's a chink ripoff of Kancolle

>>11713261
So this is a chink ripoff of a chink ripoff, how many layers deeper can we go?

>>11712899
>Kuzu stream shouldn't be counted no? Since he only restart his stream
That was a restart? If so, yeah, was he playing the same game as the day before?

>>11713234
I can't believe Kamitsubaki is chink propaganda now

>>11713269
How old is the game?

>>11713345
It released in May this year

>>11713314
Yep he played BOTW i dont know the reason why he restarted though.

>>11713314
Yea, it was a restart of BoTW, Nijimado shows it as the same thumbnail and everything.
>>11713283
Well, in the case of AzurLane, I approve of the ripoff because kancolle devs were too xenophobic/dumb to export the game overseas. For the longest time I know may people wants to give it a try, but the fact that ther was no global version or official translation turned them off. Well, too bad, someone else will fill the niche of boat girls for the international audience.

>>11713328
>now
https://twitter.com/kamitsubaki_jp/status/1212358005125087233

>>11713393
there's also the slight issue of Kancolle being too imperial japanese for most of the world's tastes, which is also the same reason why Azur lane dropped the historical reinactment aspect of it pretty quickly

>>11713029
Good for them, I guess? I doubt it'll do anything to incline them like it did with azur lane x hololive collab. I just hope CCP doesn't touch arknights.

>>11713363
Huh. Best of luck to Niji then. This might be their Azur Lane moment

Subaru saving the day, watched as she gets 25k easily on an uncontested slot

>>11713234
Kamitsubaki also performed at Bilibili Macro Link.

>>11713494
Nah, they already tried, also Black night surge isn't anywhere near as popular as Azur lane is, if anything BKS is using nijisanji to boost them, not the other way round

>>11713526
so was suzy

>>11713389
>Yep he played BOTW i dont know the reason why he restarted though.
>>11713393
>Yea, it was a restart of BoTW, Nijimado shows it as the same thumbnail and everything.
Then it's a strike off.

https://youtu.be/tc_hgJ9KNJU
>shion opening pokemon cards

https://youtu.be/oobz3zom2s8
>shuba MC

Can they beat Iofi?

https://twitter.com/murasakishionch/status/1450782531578519554
Rejoice holofags, with Peko's absence, Shion is about to save the day!!
And Kuzuha's restart stream shouldn't be counted

>>11712899
Whatever. These tops are irrelevant outside of the thread anyway.

>>11713540
The first one to collab with FGO wins. At the moment, they're trying to finish up the game with the last chapter, so after that maybe the time where FGO gets a reworked version of their app hopefully. And after that, who ever nabs the collab opportunity would incline immensely. On the side of Niji, there's no one who could benefit the game. Kuzuha? Why would you want a weak ass vampire in Fate's world. There's literally world ending ones in the universe. So, I would assume HoloMyth getting the collab.

>>11713494
Nah vtuber is known now especially in the weeb community thanks to hololive. newfags will likely go to the eop friendly many translation clips hololive than nijisanji.

>>11713540
>they already tried
That's far from their first gacha game collab. And this kancolle clone is far more deader than bks.

>>11713656
You mean can iofi beat them right? Iofi outfit reveal is overlapping with collabs and mc streams.

I dont understand why she have to do it 10pm jst instead of the standard 8-9pm jst.

>>11713691
FGO will never collab outside it’s own IP.

>>11713691
FGo has never collabed with external franchises and I don't see that changing anytime soon what with the number of views they got on that announcement stream

>>11713706
BKS is not exactly in a great spot either, unlike Azur lane which was already trending when they had their hololive collab

>>11713691
Speaking of Fate...

>>11713691
EN 3 will have takeuchi as a mama and it'll seal the deal for the potential FGO x Hololive collab

>>11713729
>and it'll seal the deal for the potential FGO x Hololive collab
With the amount of Fate illustrators already on Holo payroll in one way or another if it didn't happen by now it likely won't ever

>>11713746
You lazy autistic clock who always reads the greynames chats!!
Be thankful i really like you and your content because i can't drop you eventhough i tried already lol

>20k already
shuba never disappoints

shuba already breaking 20K

>>11713670
nijibros...

>>11713670
coping already lmao

>>11713727
Here's sales ranking for the Ash Arms (on the left) vs Black Knight Surge (on the right). The bigger the left numbers (sales) and the smaller the right numbers (sales ranking) the better. Nijisanji's collab with Ash Arms was in November hence the buff for that month.

>>11713029
Wtf no wonder the AL devs were pissed. They are getting sidelined for a game that has better connections. It’s so blatant.

>>11713272
To be fair, it's a chink hybrid of kancolle and touhou instead of a pure 1-on-1 ripoff. I only say this because there is a chink ripoff with identical gameplay to kancolle.

>>11713872
They’re pissed because the CCP keeps going after them. Forced them to remove some of their most popular ship girls.

>>11713782
>>11713787
Finally Subaru came to Minecraft to maybe save the day and take it over 25k.

>>11713730
Weak
MC had 600k few days ago

>>11713886
Also prevent them from having a Hololive collab 2

We were THIS fucking close to battleship Marine ...

>>11710752
I posted this last night >>11694520 after like half an hour the viewership stabilized down to 20k and she seemed to dislike the big audience because she immediately proceeded to filter the normies
>>11711535
jerma and sykkuno

>>11713855
By the way the game's revenue is considered stable as long as the sales rank stays above 200.

>>11713886
Yeah manjuu's ceo even obliguely casted shade on the CCP for being uneven with their enforcement on the rules based on how much kickback the company gives to the CCP

>>11713911
SSR Bikini sub Gura would’ve made everyone absolute stacks of money. I played casually but my number fag heart weeps at how many whales were missed due to political bullshit.

>>11713913
Both twitchtracker and sullygnome didn't track it. There's no 29k peak nor 20k peak on both sites.

>Subaru reclined from 22k to 20k
What the hell happened?
>Miko GTAV
O-okay

>>11713913
>jerma and sykkuno
Damn imaging Jun raid Pekora
We will see it soon

>>11714052
susan'ed for like a few seconds

>>11714030
Oh yeah

Oh yeah, AL make a SHIT load of money selling skins and oath rings

Imagine ...

>>11714052
Miko ate her tourists

>>11714052
Miko plays GTA again?
>It's PS4
*sigh* Anyway ...

>>11714031
well that's weird, you can see plenty of screenshots on that thread because it was a new peak (arguably)
I would guess those only log viewercount every hour or so?
idk where anon took picrel from but at least one website made note of it

>>11714071
Yada...my gems.....
For real though, if they ever are completely forced out of the CN market, you bet your ass they'd offer to do that azur lane collab that got shelved. No doubt all the assets were done/at the final stages, because there was a lot of indication that a rerun was coming for the HLxAL collab.
>>11713913
Fucking weak. Gura would just roll with the extra people, tell them to read the rules, and proceed onwards.

>>11714135
Maybe not once an hour, but if the peak was only for a few seconds I could see how it could get missed if it's only checked every 15-30 seconds.

>>11714150
If that's the case then twitch numbers are even less reliable than i thought. Between the different way of counting and these raids, they're just not comparable to youtube numbers in any way.

>>11714100
It says GTA Online in the title, does she have to complet parts of the story to acess the online portion?
She's probably trying to avoid hackers like the last few times by playing on PS4.

Seems like YouTube changed how the “spam viewers check” changed again. Been seen these sudden drops in all streams that start picking up viewers too fast.

Did she have problem with the stream or something?

>>11714137
Will be interesting if anything happens in the future.
From what I recall the last time they clamped down (last month) they specifically called out AL (sexual content) and AK (political commentary) as “bad” games.

>>11714150
Maybe most of people have immediately closed the tab after they were moved to her stream

>>11714305
Or was it a YouTube glitch? Subaru chart looks awful too

>>11714273
I don't play the PS4 version, so I can't say about the hacker situation there

But if she's creating a new profile, then she likely will have to do the story portion again

>>11714305
>>11714369
the entire site is fucking up today so yeah it's a bug

>>11714369
>24k already

ssg Duck ...

/#/ Race Questionnaire Survey

https://strawpoll.com/oqkwo6q3f

Please be honest

kek, EVERYBODY got debuffed in this collab.
The girls don’t do it for the numbers but Choco and Roboco must have realized by now that their audience is in for one thing
>their interactions with the chat
Whenever they are collabing with anyone else (except each other, interestingly) they take a huge hit

Realistically speaking how much could they peak? It's not a relay and as of today Iofi has other streams overlapping her. Is it fair to use their first outfit reveal as reference?

Moona's time is wrong btw, hers is in 2 days I don't know why holostats still hasn't updated it

>>11714425

>>11714425
>Asain
>no field for spic
Shit poll

Suisei have more members the ayame kek

>>11714135
Sullygnome samples every 15 mins, 5 mins longer than vnuma and thats why it missed the peak.

>Why is the max viewers inaccurate?

>The API caches the API response and the site only samples every 15 minutes so maximums outside of this will not be recorded.

>Miko GTA only 13k
What happened?

>>11714624
Late by 30 mins i think plus overlapping with subaru's MC stream which is usually attracts tourists.

>>11714624
She's re-running the game on PS4

>>11714366
They did but it was a long while before she settled down again; next time I'll do a more thorough job recording this shit.
>>11714587
makes sense

>>11714624
PS4 and having to repeat the story

>>11714684
>They did
Then this "peak" can be disregarded

>>11714578
number?

>>11714587
15 minutes?!
Christ that's pretty bad for catching exact times for when raids and shit happen. I now acknowledge the 30k peak as the true peak for that stream, but it's funny how many immediately bail.
>>11714624
Story, from the start before she can access online.

Lize even passed 16k for a bit.

Anyone familiar with the Nijisanji dating sim?
Are there any parts that could cause her to spike in the 20k region and take the day today?

>>11714764
It's not a dating sim, it's a "who's your personality type in Nijisanji" test in a vn format. Created by Tsukino Mito herself using Tyrano Builder.

>>11714737
>but it's funny how many immediately bail.
It always happens.
Unless the streamers were in the same game and it's a different POV, raids always lead to an immediate spike when the first stream ends, then people pack and leave because they came for the first stream and don't care about whoever they're raiding, just wanted to watch till the end.
Keeping 10% of a raid is usually really good.

>>11714825
It looks and acts more like a dating sim to be honest.

>>11714716
yeah but it's not 16k
that's not the point of the discussion anymore either

>/#/ Where are you from?

https://strawpoll.com/c64o8zgrj

>>11714578
what >>11714724 said, numbers?

>>11714080
nah thats youtube fucking up, see how she recovers

Sumire doing a cooking and announcement stream.
Can't imagine it's a bad announcement if she precedes it with cooking cake.
Good numbers.

>>11714971
maybe she's baking her graduation cake?

66k on the niji premiere

>>11715042
They're milking this good, there's still another part tomorrow.

>>11715042
WTF is that?

>>11715089
What is it about?

>>11714932
>Turns out /#/ are full of spics

https://alt.hololive.tv/news/148/
Finally some news about Holo Alternative, apparently there's a game that the holos will play on november. Might be a good buff.

>>11715306
And I thought Asians are meritocratic lol

>>11715306
Mayhaps your poll needs to be conducted at other times of the day...

>https://17.live/ja/live/16062067
Does anyone know how 17.live works? This can't be 438k viewers.

It must be some kind of bilibili style engagement metric.

>>11715306
euros asleep, it's late evening in asia/oceania, NA is very early other than EST.

>>11715355
Holos will be playing their prototype game on stream.
They seriously used “Earth”? There’s a whole fucking skit about how it sounds like “ass” when the nips pronounce it.

>>11715551
>euros asleep,
You surely mean burgers, it’s afternoon in all of Europe

>>11715355
Open world sandbox game.
That’s ambitious for a first game.

Why do so many people here dismiss Twitch raid anyway? I feel like most vtuber in Twitch, especially Vshojo retains their raid audience really well actually and rarely dropping down. This can be considered a legit number instead of the usual dismissal.

>>11715756
yeah after posting I had a realization
doubly as dumb because I know my brit friend wakes up when it's 2AM for me
I guess I got confused when I saw zero euros

>>11715355
An open world MMO, really?
I remain cautiously optimistic but I have no idea how this is going to work given their budget. Bigger companies with more money to throw around have tried and failed

>>11715355
This is going to be a disaster, if Cover put all their eggs on this basket they are so fucked

>>11715799
I'll accept that I'd they can keep a portion of the raid, that that's counted towards their number (average here is good since it counts that in). Twitch Peaks are no-go for me though because raids so heavily distort it, unless you want to manually confirm every peak doesn't have a raid.

>>11715355
yeah this is going to be a shitfest, what were they thinking. gonna be good numbers at first because of curiosity though like the full ver of the alt pv

>>11715799
>>11710752
ehhh not really. Also the numbers from straight up funneling views from other streams via an actual system rather than the "ILLEGAL VIEW FUNNELING" meme should just not be taken seriously.
Since disregarding whatever the streamer is doing or how good they're doing, the peaks could always be distorted. It's just dumb.
An Holo ID can have a magical peak of 10k (if YT had raids) while having a normal stream. That's unusual, and very often just unfair

okayu's space trending in nipland

>>11715799
agree with this guy >>11715840 I don't disregard raids but peaks in general are kind of a dumb stat compared to watched hours in terms of measuring audience

>>11715355
They should start with 2D Gacha. Something like Afk Arena

>>11715956
Yes, low maintenance cost and high profit margins, doing something like this as their first game is just so stupid

>>11715355
Modding friendly would be nice.

If this game of theirs somehow becomes successful then Yagoo truly is one lucky fucker.

>>11715306
>70 ips
>14 votes
eh

3682 waiting for Iofi when the stream started

>>11715355
>not linking the english version
https://alt.hololive.tv/news/208/

>>11716083
Sorry too lazy to vote. Maybe try it when there's a huge numberfag event going on where there are 100ips.

>>11716028
Apparently it's made in unity so modding it shouldn't be a problem, unless it's completely online i guess.

>>11716107
Loafy's not gonna tease it I think

>>11714440
those numbers are usual for rococo and choco-sen

>>11716112
>https://alt.hololive.tv/news/208/
I mean, it looks okayish but they should've started with a mobage/gacha instead of this. Like how mihoyo transitioned from Honkai to genshin. The gacha money is enough to fund the real sandbox game.

>>11716145
>completely online
you'll need to go to their forum to get a party of randoms, so I doubt it

>>11716211
eh in this case the money part is secure so they don't need the gacha to fund them

Why not partner with an established developer? They can barely handle L2D this seems way outside their wheelhouse

>>11716276
maybe the reason their l2d is so bad is they ditched it in favor of this

>>11715799
It affects peaks and is more forceful than just some words from the streamer recommending their viewers to check out someone else's stream. Imagine if Matsuri is just having a stream of 5k viewers then its suddenly 20k cause Suisei redirected her viewers into her stream. Or hell, just imagine if its some event or official stuff in Hololive, when you have people like Pekora and Miko, who are often streaming before and end their streams right when that event starts, and now they are redirecting all the viewers they gathered into said stream.

>>11715799
Look>>11711857
>With raid
Peak 16k
>No raid
Peak 9k

We all talk about Peak Median in /#/
And raid can make your peak one time higher

>>11716276
Because that would cost way too much, hiring a few codemonkeys isn't that expensive. It's not like they're making some AAA game here.

>>11716243
It really does depend on how much it took for them to make this.

No one better complain about an EN or ID overlapping a JP outfit/3D reveal again after this, holy shit. Absolutely brutal.

>>11716306
Yagoo seems like a very conservative guy based on his comments. Saving money in case vtuber popularity dies down, cautious with gen releases etc. sinking millions into a game like this seems the exact opposite. Traditional mobile gacha seems like a much, much safer bet. They already have an incredible stable of artists to call on game mechanics barely matter for most gacha games since whales usually auto everything.

>>11716306
>l2d is so bad
Do you even see Luna or Reine's L2D?

>>11716400
surely you meant to reply to >11716243 and not my jokepost
>>11716441
it's a meme

>>11716399
Given the amount of times Iofi has overlapped with all sorts of events, she kinda deserves this. >>11716343

>>11716276
>>11716333
One thing I learnt from this manga is you could totally buy failing game companies to work on your new game. This manga even talked about vtubers, then somehow it transitioned to making mobages in order to make money.

>>11716276
looking at>>11716211, they probably have already

>>11716399
I think ID had overlapped every single major event except graduation so I’m not surprised.

I shouldn't had followed an anon's suggestion to put any events on the top winners list. Now it's tainted with iofi's name there. Moona is the only ID outfit reveal I'm betting to win the day.

>>11716399
Iofi deserves it when she's done it several times already.

>>11716586
>Now it's tainted with iofi's name there
kek
>he fell for the Iofi meme

What were you thinking, her most watched stream is her Akukin relay

Even Ollie is overlapping her. Loafy...

if Lofi doesnt get 10k today shell be graduating by the end of the month

>>11716671
Lofi deliberately goes out of her way to get shit numbers. I don't think this will make her graduate at all.

These are pretty bad numbers for a costume reveal, now I have low expectations for Moona’s

Fucking kek, tough slot. This reeks of "payback" for all the overlapping iofi did on special events

>>11716720
To the point where other Hololive members forget that she’s in the same company.

>>11716647
To be fair, Ollie and Bae paused their collab to do a watchalong of her outfit reveal

>>11716211
>We estimate 1 to 2 years of total development time
This niche is already declining

>>11716671
She might hit 10K during the actual reveal but this is just sad

>>11716752
it reeks of primetime, its 9pm jst. Theyre luck Pekora is busy tonight or itd be even uglier

Don't doompost yet she's still reviewing predictions...

>>11716764
which is funny since she’s probably the most adept in Japanese among all of them

>>11716799
10pm jst*, sorry

>>11716784
Iofi always gets shit numbers and by all accounts is pretty indifferent about it. She’s also a student isn’t she?

Will Subaru take #1 today i wonder?

The Iofi numbers are distracting nicely from how fucking pathetic the Pico Park numbers are for that lineup.

>>11716836
>She’s also a student isn’t she?
So is Moona, Shion, Haachama and arguably maybe Ayame

>>11716647
Cross-branch overlapping is honestly understandable and something to be expected, but in-branch overlapping is pretty bad.

>>11716872
Festival debuff. The collab is on her channel

>>11716752
It reeks of
>Why always start our streams at 10PM, why the hell didn't you do the outfit reveal at 9 when there were only 3+4 streams?
I know ID is in different time zones, but for Iofi who hets ~50% of her SC in Yen, she should take it into account.

>>11716872
Pico Park is not that much of a buff unless it's audience participation and yeah, doing it on Festival's channel debuffs it even harder

Botan get more than that on her own, in a multiPOV collab with Pekora, or with Towa

>>11716891
I would give Ollie the benefit of the doubt and say it’s because she had a sudden collab with Bae and she’s too shy to suddenly kick her out

>10K
she did it

>>11716671
Eh, she got 10k, but yea I don't have high hopes for Risu numbers. Moona is...well, hard to guess.

Holo 83k (12 streams)
Niji 53k (26 streams)

>>11716842
Nyanners had 29k

>>11716900
Even debuff channels should get good numbers with a decent lineup.

https://holo.poi.cat/stream/rPKcmD1QIds

>Lofi 10k
graduation averted, but risu still at risk though

>>11716978
read the thread

>>11716978
Raid. I'll accept her cookie shilling donation stream, but I object to including any Twitch stream peak with a goddamn raid in the list.

>>11716752
Iofi...

>>11716978
>Nyanners had 29k
Hard to numberfag that when the highest number (other than a screenshot) from any source is that 20k the anon brough from Piyo

Twitchtracker has 16k, Sullygnome has 16k

>>11717019
Are there any big streams that Iofi is even up against? The only thing I see scheduled is a Mori/Reine collab that'll probably end before that starts. I expect it to be a bit of a quiet night.

>>11717021
You read the thread!
It was accepted as the real numbers for the raid after the twitch trackers were ousted for sampling every 15 min.

>Iofi at 12k

That was close

>>11717026
Comparing Twitch to Yt to begin with was always sort of dicey. Once you add raids it’s just stupid. It also convinced me that if Gura decided to stream on Twitch part time she would get raided like WWII Berlin

>>11717102
Nevermind, I got my days mixed up, that collab is the day after. So there's even less planned.

>>11717121
>It was accepted as the real numbers
you. out.

>>11717121
>It was accepted as the real numbers
by who?

>>11717188
>Numbers thread
>Not accepting numbers
Pathetic.

>>11717121
I was this guy >>11714135 baka desu
It's divided at best

>>11717121

Is the tracking scuffed on her face

>>11717121
Do you even know the difference in top winners of the day? They all manage to keep their numbers even after 15 minutes. Nyanners falling back less than 15 minutes, even not getting tracked by two sites is a bit shameful don't ya think?

>inb4 big numbers>small numbers
What's the point if it can't be tracked by reliable sources. Everyone could make up imaginary numbers with inspect element than print screen it.

>>11717244
Next, you will advocate accepting bilibili made-up social credit numbers.

>>11716781
You are right, the timing could be pretty bad. They are going to focus their resources on this for years to release it to a smaller audience.

Twitchtracker updates at least every 10 minutes by the way, you can check the graphs changing on short streams

>>11717268
The mouth seems a little oversensitive but it's not scuffed

>iofi shaking her boings
Yeah, I didn't expect that

>>11717355
The eyes and the mouth. It's pretty noticeable

>>11717288
Fuck that, Otome had 550.000 live viewers for her bilibili birthday stream and little over 100 for the YT simulcast.
Without proof there's nothing to those numbers.
Plenty of anons posted proof for Nyanner's numbers though.

>>11716211
>that background
Feels like they did partner with the Craftopia devs

>12K peak
so what’s the new predictions for Risu and Moona

>>11717355
>>11717431
Yep, prettymuch all the outfit revealshave some tracking issues that don't appear as bad from the 2nd stream on.
Even Botan and Marine had those problems.

>>11717455
Even if I accept her raid got her to 30k she was unable to keep the most of it for even 15 minutes. Sure, 30k peak, but "winner of the day"? Naaaahh.
If winning an entire day relies on you getting raided then you might as well not count them anymore

>>11717515
Risu = 20k
Moona = 30k
*well iofi had a lot of heavy streams overlapping so i'll still hope for a much better numbers for moona and risu

>>11717515
Risu 15k, Moona 20k+

>>11717515
15K Risu, 30K Moona

>>11717570
>>11717244
Problem is she didn't reach 29k
Its only 20k (but other site says only 16.5k)
If there is proof she reached it then go

stop replying to the twitchnigger, he just wants (you)s

>>11717515
8-10k risu,if even that, she debuffs herself more then anyone else in hololive.

Moona is harder, 17-20k maybe. Depends on who might be streaming at the same time.

>>11717515
Moona 25k+
Risu ~20k?
Depends on a lot of things, mostly who else is streaming what

>>11717636
>Risu 15k
kek, no, here is the only stream Risu beat 10k in 2021


>Moona 20k+
Big maybe, she barely beat this in a relay having her last position

>>11717678
The (you)s are pathetic coping and I don't want them.

We are in the numbers thread and since puyo died we straight up ignored the 3rd biggest platform for vtuber numbers.
We were faced with the situation where a twitchfucks could win the day again and instead of tackling the problem of unreliable data gathering, we just bitched and moaned about "raids don't count, twitch doesn't count...."

>>11717916

>11717916
>win the day
>some faggot raid your stream that pushed it to the peak that didn't last for 10 minutes
>win

WTF IS A "TWITCH SPACE"? And why did this Okayu one make waves?

>>11717916
>piyo shiller
ngmi

>>11718030
Nah, >>11717916 is right that there is no tracking platform tracking Twitch accurately.
Can't one of you guys simply submit Nyanners and her gang to live-ranking?

>>11718025
Twitter spaces? It's like voice call streaming with the creator as host right? A bunch of chubbas have done then before.

>>11717962
You know what
If it was other Vshojos raid her to the peak
I will accept that
But it was fucking e-celebs

>>11718058
They should, but if you insist on including Twitch, it must be noted that comparing Twitch to YT is almost certainly not a 1:1, especially not since the December update! I actually think Twitch data is GOOD, but it should be tracked seperate from YT numbers due to the difference in how the platforms count numbers and the existence of raids. IMO the most valuable thing would be to keep track of TRENDS in Twitch chubba numbers, as that's where the real meat is in the long run.

>THE KING IS IN THE HOUSE

>>11718025
Basically twitcasting. And her hastag is trending because people used it for chat.

>>11718146
Well, beating Subaru's MC stream should be doable, this is his normal timeslot with Apex.

>>11718145
>but if you insist on including Twitch
live-ranking tracks twitch alright, Kanae even gets his odd twitch streams picked up.

And now Aqua is on Twitcast

Wtf is going on, is Youtube hitting the bed so often chuubas are looking for alternatives?

>>11718356
It's a way for them to stream something without having to get everything set up on on OBS+YT.

>>11718356
You can twitcast and do twitter space with nothing but your phone so it's an easy way to stream if you don't want to get up and boot up the computer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBtZPbJTTrY

Festival at 16k after an hour

Doesn't seem like Kuzuha is gonna win the day. 20k after winning a game.

>>11717515
Risu: 15K
Moona: 15k, maybe 20k

>>11718887
King...

"king"

>>11718887
Did all the apexfags leave him or something?

KING is likely going to get fastest 10M views before the end of the month

>>11719267
new king in town...

>>11719251
School started, and also Apex is in a pretty shit spot right now

>>11719267
Faster than even Reflect? Holy shit

>>11719288
Fuck, what did they fuck up this time?

>>11719318
Covers have a massive advantage of originals, which is why they are generally ranked separately. RIP and Reflect are outliers, to put it mildly

>>11719288
If Apex starts reclining, Kuzuha will need to find another crutch to regularly play, kek

>>11719345
they still haven't fixed the new hero who farts particle effects everywhere like pixie dust and completely invalidates turtling as a strat, and also the servers still aren't that stable

>>11719392
Isn't that the whole point of that hero? To prevent the ratting/turtle fests? Honestly I'm baffled how Apex got so popular. It's like 50% looting, 40% trying to avoid fights so you can third party someone, 10% actual action. Fortnite has similar issues but it targets a younger demographic

>>11719392
Oh. Seer is still OP then. Sigh, and if the servers are still unstable....

>>11719447
apex isn't really that popular outside of japan, it's about or less popular than a few other fps, without even talking about other online game giants like lol

it's only in japan that for some reason the game dumpsters everything else, and chuubas are primarily a japanese thing, so apex it is. maybe it's just babby's first high production battle royale for the japanese

>>11719447
>Isn't that the whole point of that hero? To prevent the ratting/turtle fests?
Well yes, but it turns out people actually like to turtle and introducing a hero that invalidates your entire strat with a single push of a button is kinda not fun to play against.

>Honestly I'm baffled how Apex got so popular.
Sovietwomble did a whole video essay on the rise on the battle royale genre
https://youtu.be/w_ZO_Ffa11E
TL:DR it feels a niche that a certain segment of survival crafting game players have come to expect from the Dayz mod that were left hanging after the DayZ official release didn't give them shit

>>11719539
But if Apex loses popularity, Valorant etc don't seem like 1:1 replacements. I mean that always happens as FPS games come and go, look at the top Twitch streamers from 1/3/5 years ago. Anyone remember PUBG? But that would be a huge hit for Hal, Niji in general no? Can they jump to a new fotm game successsfully?

>>11719562
>the rise on the battle royale genre
It's not battle royale popularity in japan though, it just seems to be Apex. You don't see a bunch of jp players getting big numbers playing Fortnite, even though outside of Japan, Apex and Fortnite get similar enough numbers. In Japan it's Apex or die, it looks like.

>>11719592
Valorant isn't even in the same genre so obviously it isn't a one to one fit.
Honestly they are better off trying to make COD Blackops battleroyale into a replacement than using valorant

>>11718887
King...

>>11718146
What is the dead line? 1 am JST?

>>11719757
Aren't these daily? So it should be midnight

>>11718887
One trick king...

>>11719785
He go better numbers playing BOTW yesterday, I think that at least proves he ain't a 1-trick, but...

>>11719757
>What is the dead line? 1 am JST?
>>11719782
>Aren't these daily? So it should be midnight
Yep, but for an idiosyncrasy: live-ranking only stops updating the streams that started before midnight after 1AM JST.

That is never a problem and sometimes it only brings up the streams that started between 11PM JST and midnight after 12h30 or something (because yeah, they're retarded) so except when it would alter the very top of the list it is advisable to wait until 1AM JST.

So far only the "daltonism stream" risked getting bumped by something happening after midnight but, luckily, it didn't.

>>11719859
>>11719859
>>11719859
Migrate

Anon seems to have jumped the gun and made the next thread early

Move when ready: >>11719859

Why is subaru so popular?