/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>EN puts chat in its place
>"WHAT A FUCKING BITCH WHY DOES ANYONE ENJOY THIS WHORE WHO HATES HER FANBASE?"
>JP puts chat in its place
>"OMFG HOW CAN SHE BE SO BASED???"

omg she hates her fans!!!

>>12076547
Because no one watches the JP girls besides clips so its worthless to make bait posts about them, EN on the other hand...

>>12076547
You should know by now that if a chuuba speaks Japanese they get a free pass on everything.

>>12076600
I wish I could speak japanese. If I could, Botan easily would be my oshi and most watched. There are bazilions of young zoomers trying to stream, but not so many mature gentlewomen like her.

>>12076547
yes

>>12076643
Nothing's stopping you, anon. Be the person you always wanted to be.

>>12076466
sex button

>>12076716
R-Ramy, calm down...

>>12076547
If you can find me more such tactful rants, I'll call her (and (You), of course) based.

>>12076547
he said it right in the title though? "gentle and refined" instead of "entitled and full of disdain" although in saying that, ollie's rant is amazing

>>12076547
>EN ranting at their viewers
>"piece of shit"
>"losers watching anime girls lmao"
>"no life"

>JP ranting at their viewers
>"please don't that's kind of rude"
Geez I wonder why JP is BASED

>>12076547
EN fanbase could only give criticism, not take them. That's how it is

>>12076466
>joins an idol company knowing full well what fans expect
>tramples on those expectations
>publicly calls out someone who criticizes her for it
>tells him to piss off
>throws his money back at him
>bans him
>all while laughing in his face
The king who died on that hill, what was his name?

>>12077781
Alexander the Great

>>12077781
El Hechizado

>>12076547
Japaese women are simply better, as this video shows.

>>12077781
Yes

>>12076547
In case you didn't notice, how you phrase a message matters

>>12077781
This anon gets it

I bet Yagoo calls her "Mommy".

>>12076643
Can I interest you in a Japanese English speaking hag vtuber (and her daughter)?

https://twitter.com/asarivt

>>12077020
kek this.

>>12078981
shes actually yagoo's wife and soda-chan's mother

I don't know all the specifics of the BF tournament, but it is true that a lot of these girls have started to used APEX and other team shooters as a convenient excuse to be able to collab with m*les. APEX has become Japanese streamer Tinder and it's rather disheartening to see this play out.

Now I'm only a semi-schizo so I wouldn't attack any streamer who does this, I would just never watch her again. If you're going to pretend to be an idol you at least have to keep the kayfabe going.

Reminder to never let a whore take an inch

>>12077781
How do you unironic unicorns feel knowing that everyone else in the community hates you and finds your existence pathetic? Genuinely curious.

>>12079075
>Miko
ironic

>>12079212
Cope, the girls think you're a faggot.

>>12079278
I don't even understand what you mean by this. The girls think i'm a faggot because i'm not an unicorn?

>>12077020
why ina said this, i looked up to her anons, this can't be happening...

>>12079314
Obviously retard?

>>12079341
Yeah you see that makes no sense. I cannot even fathom how you would correlate those things, which leads me to believe that you must be mentally derranged

>>12076547
HoloEN fans are spoiled w*stoid baby bitches who gets offended when they are reminded that the girls they watch aren't hecking keanu chungus like wholesome strangers. They also hate anyone who doesn't put up fake smiles and positivity.

>>12079475
not surprised you have no awareness of how you look but take another look at your sentence and you might realise it seems like you dry cum out on a radiator and snort it.

>>12079637
And you sound like the average 4chan schizophrenia patient

>>12078983
Her voice is major turn off

>>12076466
Botan get's mad at these things since she takes tournaments for shooters really seriously. Said a few times how seriously she takes them and didn't even want to join the APEX Vtuber one becuase it would be disrespectful to the people trying hard, since she hasn't practiced in a long while. Got to wonder if these people even watch her or not.

>>12079886
takes it so serious she couldn't risk being in an all female team eh

>>12079899
When you try win for real and try not be disrespectful about the whole thing you don't make some fucking meme team to make babies happy. Like my whole post implied that, but you still ask that question? Does your brain even function anymore?

>>12079944
you talk like a faggot. Let me drink some cum so I can understand you.
Alright you're serious about the tournament. Kek. It was a bunch of nip vtubers playing battlefield.

>>12080007
Some people are serious about things anon. I know it's very hard to understand if you have autism, but you you need to try to use that brain if only for a little bit.

>>12080082
You're talking out your ass but it's fine since it's proving the people who defend this shit are faggots that don't watch the girls.
She literally said why she joined this tournament, anon, she said she wanted to promote battlefield.
Had nothing to do with trying to make a balanced team or whatever nonsense youre spouting.

>>12076466
Soooo smart answer for this shizo
nice one

>>12077020
This. JP girls are polite when reprimanding chat. EN and ID girls are a little bit more sassy so it sometimes rubs other people the wrong way.

>>12077781
kys faggot

>>12076466
Love this hag like you wouldn't believe.

The funny thing is that the only reason botan got triggered was because her esports buddies were insulted.
Not that I mind, unicorns deserve to be humiliated at every opportunity

>>12080445
shit taste

>>12080118
>Anons autism is so great he can't even read between lines
Jesus Christ unicornfags

>>12080535
You're telling me to read between the lines of my own paraphrased translation of a japanese woman?
You are coping. Stop being a fag.

>>12080470
Well her doing what she use to do probably wanted to take it seriously and didn't think any of it or care.

>>12076466
>tfw she bans you

>>12080575
Yeah she's self absorbed for sure. Luckily there's like 30 others girls that started before she did and understand the value of the standards hololive fanbase sets.
The people who care least are most likely to be the type who only write reactions in chat, background noise viewers and it's even clear from looking at the content of this board that the most interesting people hold the highest standards for their content.

>>12081132
>muh quality of stream
stay mad unicorn

>>12076466
The thought of 18-23 yo bois being mad at... 35-40 yo woman because she talks with a man is hillarious. Is it how modern children speak to their betters?

>>12081163
>feminine faggot reads emotionless text and puts emotion in.

>>12079495
So Holobronies are Canadians.

>>12081247
>butthurt faggot calling names
stay mad

>>12081330
>actual faggot

I can't wait until these hags are married, imagine the seeth and fume. They will continue their life as a person, and you will write a banal post on this Mongolian basket weaving forum.

>>12081511
Idiot, personal life doesn't matter. Some of the girls are married? Same standards apply.

>>12077020
Tbh the only way to go about calling out chat is the way Ollie did. They don’t deserve anything else.

>Completely stops the stream to whinge at one of the thousands of people commenting and sending superchats
Maybe she's just insecure about implications like these due to Aloe but I expected better from Botan than acting like some random twitch thot.

>>12080471
i shit in your mouth

>>12082194
Yeah and let's not forget the main thing about the culture she chose to be in, fan interaction and how the most intimate possible thing a fan could expect is to play a team game with her and instead she plays with some streamer and does that little speech.

95% of replies in this thread are from people who never watched streams or had any experience with streamers prior to hololive/nijisanji. These are the kind of people who get a whole board to talk about streamers and what they do. At least in /jp/ you had board culture to kinda back it up.

>>12077781
Anon, she wasn't in the tournament to find a boyfriend. She was playing to entertain her fans. It was a bored Korean who posted.

>>12076466
this is just typical japanese passive aggression

Unicorns deserve the rope. Also elitist gatekeeping faggots that think they have more "street cred" because they watched Vtubers before it was "cool".

>>12082895
>your brain on cope
The argument against male collabs has been articulated well, many times.
The way people argue the other side is legitimately pathetic.

>>12083140
It’s not gatekeeping to call out weebs for being retards when talking about streamers when all they know of streaming are vtubers. Full agree on the first part though.

>>12083179
you'd have to unironically be retarded to think even a minority of people here only know streaming from vtubers

>>12083210
This entire board including this thread is proof of it being very much the case.

>>12083307
Are you such an ESL SEAnig that you cant articulate yourself correctly or are you just fucking stupid and bad at larping as an oldfag, that doesn't make any sense in the slightest.

>>12079075
there has never been 1 (one) good post with that pic and I'm glad you kept that going, anon

>>12083150
Anon, I can assure you, no one Botan collabs with is actually out to slam her.

>>12081511
it's pretty obvious some of the hags probably are married or at least seeing people

>>12076547
>chumshart tourist doesn't understand nuance
a tale as old as time

What does BF blind date tournament even mean?

>>12076547
>comparing that one Ina/Anya schizo that posts the same 2 clips shitting up the board for months to Botan personally banning a underagefag that was confirmed on twitter to not even be a SSRB
>also outing yourself as a clipnigger
But hey at least you got (You)s by pretending to be retarded

>>12083406
Right, you're either just a fan of other companies/homostars and don't actually care about hololive or you just came in here without reading anything, perhaps even if you could read it you can't comprehend it.
Has nothing to do with those intentions.

>>12083376
>buzzwords
Thanks for proving my point.

>>12083530
>unironically took art in college

>>12076643
>I wish I could speak japanese.
Stop wishing, start working on it.
You can do this, anon.

>>12083462
9 year olds seeking girlfriends in Fortnite think that the same applies to other battle royale games, so clearly if any 2 people of opposite sexes play together in a game means they are dating
I wish I was joking, there are retards out there that actually believe this

>>12083594
>posting images from two week old threads
Are these people unironically NPCs, incapable of forming their own thoughts?
It's like first they obtained their incorrect moral position, then regurgitate others information based on that position.
It's almost interesting.

>>12083552
I’m sorry to hear that anon, should have become a STEM chad.

>>12083653
>posts the same 2 Ina/Anya clips from months ago every single day
And you call others NPCs

>>12083734
who is this guy that is rent free in your head anon, ID is literally irrelevant

>>12083653
>Are these people unironically NPCs, incapable of forming their own thoughts?
yet you defending the GFE schizos who go they play with guy ohoh ahah the must be dating shit like a fucking broken record

>>12083859
gibberish, take deep breaths and stop taking the hormone meds.

>>12077781
Extremely based

>>12079682
You sound genuinely disabled, maybe you havent realized that youre dumb? I would argue people here are probably smarter than you

>>12083500
>Right, you're either just a fan of other companies/homostars and don't actually care about hololive or you just came in here without reading anything
Don't try to pull nonsense, you fraud. Unicorns have always been the whipping boys of normal viewers.

>>12084146
Why are you coping? Make a moderately intelligent point if you want to whip me.

>>12076547
>>EN puts chat in its place
>>"WHAT A FUCKING BITCH WHY DOES ANYONE ENJOY THIS WHORE WHO HATES HER FANBASE?"

Fucking when has this ever even happened? I've seen them get firm about issues that they know will trigger certain autists (calli ending dating streams, for example), but I don't recall anybody in EN ever going full bitch mode yet. Only /vt/ reacting to nothing burgers like preteen girls with leaking tampons.

>>12083881
of course me use small words since I'm talking to a literal retard stop reusing the same points all the GFE faggots use when the see a guy show up

>>12084343
Nice attempt wee man

>>12084146
>>12084192
Im gonna be honest

Both gfe niggers and non-unicorn niggers are retarded, an actual intelligent human simply doesnt care enough for this, but if he did i would agree that he would look for the most quintessential experience which is a woman remaining pure and dedicted to her fans

>>12084222
SEAschizos back when HoloMyth first debuted.

>>12084522
enough with the larp redditfag

>>12077781
Kek purity fag

>>12077781
>>12079097
lol, die mad

my favorite rant is still Ollie's absolutely seething rant

>>12085404
Why she ranted btw? Because indogs asked her to speak indo? It's kinda weird stuff to rage on, why not just answer - "No, not only indonesians watch me".

>>12076466
this video's thumbnail is so retarded it cracks me up

>>12085526
because indos were acting like amerimutts in that they were flaunting their ignorance as a point of pride.

>>12076466
Львихa....

>Botan reprimanding underage chat
Based
>Ina/Anya complaining about their loser nerd fans
Cringe
>Ollie absolutely destroying all the indos complaining about her speaking too much english
Gigabased

>>12077020
This and she didn't antagonize the entire audience by generalizing, she said exactly who she was talking about and what kind of behavior she didn't want. Making sweeping insults that apply to a lot of people who did nothing wrong is the fastest way to turn people against you

>>12076547
ogey cumshart

Bootan

based botan scaring the unicorns. I will get the membership

>>12086052
You'd have to watch something other than clips first.
Put up or shut up with the empty gestures to no one, creep.

>>12085674
Watching vtubers is a complete and utter waste of time and everyone knows it. You literally gain NOTHING from watching girls play videogames badly, it just makes you feel good inside because you are a socially starved male. It's like watching reality tv. Everyone plays a character, there's drama, cliques, they waste their time but not really since they earn $$$. And watching it is completely brain-numbing.
Ina is a tryhard asian and knows it. She knows how bad it is if your main hobby is watching her or any of her colleagues, she just slipped because someone implied her partner was bad at videogames and said what everyone in the industry truly thinks.

>>12085404
Ollie's rant is such a turn-on, I want her to yell at me right before we do steamy Indog makeup sex.

>>12086191
>the average type of faggot that is fine with male collabs

>>12086191
You can replace "watching vtubers" with alot of different forms of entertainment

>>12076547
Chuubas should always put down chat, they're always gayass SEAfriends like (you)

>>12086239
No. Even videogames are better since you are thinking for yourself, getting to experience things for yourself, and enjoying because YOU yourself enjoy that thing.

Vtubers, and streamers in general, are for people that are too tired to even enjoy content themselves. They need a cool. funny, talented friend, but since they are losers the only way they're getting that interaction they want is through the screen. They react to things, they do stuff, they try new things and succeed, and instead of YOU doing something and progressing as a living being, you prefer to watch someone else do it and get a dopamine hit from cheering them on, and while they live their better life, you stay there in your room, just watching. It's the ultimate NGMI hobby.

>>12086320
Maybe if youre a SJW tranny. Regular TV is scuffed from politics and then after covid all the regular streamers and their chats wouldnt shut up about that so vtubers was the place to go for peace and quiet.
Video games are just as brainless and have barely increased in difficulty since the reset during the Wii era.

>>12086385
Everyone likes to mock videogames since it's a low hanging fruit, but as a hobby, even when growing up, they are not that bad, cognitively speaking. They help you develop hand eye coordination, quick thinking, pattern recognition, it helps towards several areas of your mental and cognitive development.
It's an active hobby. You are the one that must do stuff to progress. It's between playing an instrument and watching movies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6290198/

>>12086612
Sure but I've been playing video games for 24 years, that's right at the beginning of 3D so there's people who have played for decades longer.
There's a limit to the challenge of entertaining games.

It’s not because she’s Japanese, you asiancucks. It’s because she’s a hag, that she is calm, polite and refined. If you only look at people with still underdeveloped brains you will get underdeveloped interaction.
JOIN HAG LOVE GANG.

>>12077781
Shishiro Botan

>>12086162
I watch most of her streams, where's the problem?

I do think her response was flawed.
Personally idgaf, especially since she's set up fan servers before.
However, she can't do this and pretend to be an idol. Fundamentally she has promoted a public engagement of her and other men that is more personal than her audience could ever have (i.e. practising together and such not simply commenting or playing against).
Add to that, while nowhere near her other genmates you can't pretend she doesn't utilise a few gfe trappings of flirtatious affection towards her audience.

She chose to become an idol, she had all the opportunities in the world to collab with men before, she can do as she wishes but I hope she never refers to herself as an idol as she has demonstrably shown preference for the other.

>>12086823

More like shitshito botan

>>12087246
anyone can say words faggot

>>12089512
These people need meds

>>12090358
if he was wrong you could just say why, fag

>>12090453
You need meds too.

>>12090494
Which meds are you taking, I am in the mood to be a dopey retard tonight.

>>12086191
Vtubing has its use, or at least for me it did. It actually gave me a community to be part of since my other hobbies don't have worth while communities around them that I can participate in.

Other than that, its good back ground noise for when I'm doing something else, namely practicing one of my other hobbies.

>>12090358
What is your presumed issue with the idea ?
If you call yourself something and act in a certain manner you have created expectations and profited from it.
You don't make kissy noises into a mic and pretend to cuddle up to SCs while generally avoiding men, call yourself an idol, and not have an idea the types you'll attract.
She hasn't marketed herself as extreme as her genmates for instance but still has as aforementioned.
This is the closest she has been with others and while other arguments where in play did give the impression to multiple people that she wouldn't be so intimate.
It is reasonable some be upset.
She sells intimacy and friendship and has then shoved a level you cannot get into your face. No ill intent but still a harsh act to those who got more from her.

He was rude in his execution but the general sentiment has value, her actions are antithetical to many interpretations of 'idol'.

>>12076547

en chuba:
piece of shit, shut up incel ^%&^$%$&

jp chuba:
please dont be rude. buy somethign delicious to eat instead.

I hope this clarifies the confusion.

>>12079212
i feel bad. then again its not like i can stop being a unicorn. i didnt choose this.

>>12091218 (me)
Should add, even there she never really clarifies her position on the issue, just be clear about your position and then those complaining are automatically wrong.

>>12089512
when has botan ever claimed to be an idol?
>you can't pretend she doesn't utilise a few gfe trappings of flirtatious affection towards her audience
post one example

>>12092604
>has said "I love you" to fans in at least 3 languages, has done the kissing sound a lot too
>Birthday stream was fairly intimate just like her
>member only streams
fake fans man, they always have the same crappy way of talking and attempts at making points so you can basically smell them a mile off.

>>12085674
>Making sweeping insults that apply to a lot of people who did nothing wrong is the fastest way to turn people against you
I hate when a streamer uses their chat as a punching bag when they are in a shitty mood.

>>12092804
funny how you talk about fake fans yet you haven't posted a single timestamp so we can look at the context of your shitty ass greentext
the burden of proof is still on you

>>12076643
>doesnt over react to every single thing
>doesnt rape your ears every other sentence by yelling
>holds herself to a higher standard than your average chuuba
>her hag laugh will heal your soul
Take the botan pill. you wont see Botan shilled here that much because she doesnt appeal to the zoomer crowd

>>12092970
It's literally so often you're exposing yourself as never watching streams her streams at all. You'll get an example since it's easy enough.
>love you? in english? >https://youtu.be/fq2FYdcJ_HQ?t=9161
>russian? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlZHJP5f4bE
>birthday stream? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvEEAQw9gyA
You're clearly a clipfag, you should watch more clips at least.

>>12083150
>Muh dislike
Jesas, it's like Suisei all over again

>>12076698
>>12083585
I'm not that anon but I finally had this realization myself earlier this year. And man some days it's rough, but if even someone like Kiara can get fluent then god damn it, so can I.

>>12081213
Oh anon if you think the average Hololive watcher is only 23 years old I have bad news for you.

>Anons think this is some major victory over unicornfags
>Yet Botan will go right back into the no males outside of sponsor events routine.
Unicornfags are the most dedicated gachikoi out there, they'll always win in the end.

>be disrespectful to somone
>they are disrespectful back
>/vt/: REEEEEEEEEEE WHOOOOOOOOOOOOORES

>>12093132
Botan is shilled here all the fucking time you dishonest prick.

>>12086612
>playing nugames its the same as playing an instrument
Unless you are in esports and manage to have a healthy lifestyle while making money with it its a waste of time. Its something to do just to kill time not to receive or improve something in your life also
go back to /v/

>>12086320
/pol/ is down the hallway neckbeard

>>12094396
I know and I'll never watch her streams again either.

>>12076643
Its funny how anglos are so lazy that they never look if there's an active translator in a vtuber's chat. Botan usually has one guy that translate everything she says but also learn nip

>>12085674
This so much. She called out the one person in her chat being an ass and left the rest of the chat alone. She treated the chat as a group of individuals and not like a single mind.

That's the main difference. Also the way she said it was very intelligent, gentle and lady-like, which of course comes off more nicely that the classic western karen psycho being derranged at the whole chat because one single person said something.

I've never seen one post since the creation of the board calling out the obvious posts by corporate management. Farm the girls TNT you fucking faggot.

>>12076547
>EN puts chat in its place
Sperging out and throwing a tantrum like a infant is not putting someone in his place.

>>12083684
>chad
>buzzwords
Why are you so retarded, chink?

>>12089512
Eh, Botan is one of the worst holos to gosling/unicorn about since she has the longest hetero chronology, but her long term fans already know about it. Her response is basically, "it's okay if you talk shit about me, but if you bring other parties, then you are crossing the line."
There are other holos that fill up the unicorn niche, and the audience that Botan caters to has a small overlap with that niche. Unlike Ollie, Botan is professional enough that she won't drag the other holos out of their niches.
She also plays a big role as the Gen5 tourist gateway to direct the hardcore-connoisseurs to Lamy and Nene. Botan is a softcore idol, which is a subset of the idol trope.

>>12096743
(You)

>>12076466
I really want to hear her say ara ara though.

>>12089512
irl idols collab with m*les all the fucking time you mongo, especially sponsored events

She’s right. Unicorns only deserve an Ollie kind of response if not worse. They shouldn’t have any place online or offline and any of such behaviour should be discouraged before it even comes up. I don’t have anything against holo per se. It’s just that they create this kind of fandom with their idol and GFE bullshit.

>>12076643
Botan is my oshi and I have around N4 level (the second level starting from the bottom) in japanese in like 6 months studying about one hour per day. I get a bit lost in zatsudans but I understand her gaming streams just fine. You can do it anon

>>12096889
i wish Botan would do softcore sex with me

>>12076547
Yes. Die mad about it.
>>12076466
HAG LOVE

>>12094626
Nobody tell him

>Buttons thread
>no one invited me
Pain peko.

>>12093283
Why is she so perfect?

>>12092804

>She sends kisses to her chat

NIGGER a lot of vtubers do it as a joke (usually when people ask) and a lot of their fans also take it that way, which is a healthy way to do it. They dont actually think that all of a sudden that chuuba became a prime GFE material or is actually in love with them. Luto sends kisses to her chat and also tells them to find girlfriends in real life because falling in love with an anime girl is fucking pathetic.

>>12093283
It's not as simple. Not him but, technically, that kind of soft fan-service is what idols do. They are practically paid to act cute, do cute and overall just do shit that's supposed to "make your heart melt". Besides you have to remember that it's Hololive not AKB. Nobody seriously bought into the idol stuff, not even the "idols" themselves for some of them. But due to how cultural it is, even being able to fake being an idol and being given a stage to dance and sing is a dream for most Japanese girls, even for some "hags".
I think people have forgotten already that the pros of being or watching a Hololive idol rather than a true idol is how they're basically allowed to be themselves to some extent, so the fans really feel like they're interacting with a girl rather than an archetype of an idol. Long story short, the JP hologirls cover perfectly the somewhat-idol-but-still-a-girl mood.

Incidentally, this is where the EN branches have started to drop the ball. They've lost the initial purpose of being a somewhat idol, the EN hologirls are just acting like random twitch streamers but with an avatar. They do have a costume gimmick but that's as far as their idol act go, which is why they always find themselves in situation where their bitchy side come out.
Just take a look at Pekora for example. I'm not necessarily a fan but she commits to her character. It's not just about randomly throwing PEKO PEKO and calling it a day, she really acts the part of being a fucking royalty brat bunny that does nothing but bring chaos, which even gets funnier when you realize that in real life she's a complete shut-in. Someone like Rushia, while not being that commited to her "necromancer" role, she just has cultivated her yandere/imouto/murderer persona so most if not all the time she is ACTING on it, interacting with chat.
Now, look at Ina for example. What has she done to act the part of being the priestess of the ancient one? Just throwing some random jokes once in a while, but that gimmick is more of a background thing than anything else. Calli? What has she done in part of her shinigami persona? Kiara?
For Gura, once of the reason why she's popular outside of the fact of being "a cute little thing" is that, probably because of her past experience, unconsciously commits to her "dumb shark" persona. To be honest she doesn't do that much, but her natural airhead-ness combined with the fact that she's seen as a baby dumb shark somehow results in her ACTING like a baby shark, just like what the (most) JP girls do.

>>12086191
kek, classic (you) farm
funny thing that with some small changes, you can pretty much post this one on every board, and it's almost guaranteed to bait a few retards. Truly a perfect bait

>>12076466
Japans customer service is better than Westerner r Seadog customer service

>>12079212
>How do you unironic unicorns feel knowing that everyone else in the community hates you and finds your existence pathetic?
How do you feel knowing normalfags think you're pathetic for watching anime girls? Same shit, I feel empowered knowing that I don't kowtow my standards and expectations for people who are literally hired to kowtow to mine just because a lot of people with no sense of dignity want me to act like them.
If 80% of the male population was made of cucks and they started to rag on you for not being a cuck, would you then feel bad about not being a cuck?

>>12076547
EN fans are mostly teenagers who like submissive pretend girlfriends and Jap viewers are older Otaku who understand how the real world works

Out of all the people to trigger the final yab, I didn't think it would be Botan.

>>12086320
I'm just tired from study, and don't feel like gambling my mood on AoE2.

>>12100683
> Jap viewers are older Otaku who understand how the real world works
how so?

>>12097269
How do you study Anon?

>>12102642
-Vocabulary:If you are not going to talk japanese any soon and just want to watch the streams more comfortably I recommend you to pick some free website/app that offers you a SRS (spaced repetition system) for kanji and vocabulary. I use ryou flashcards. It can be easier with some anki deck though.
-For Grammar there are a lot of resources: books, videos, more SRS systems... I don't think you need to buy a book with all the resources in the internet. All the grammar SRS I know are behind a paywall,the most famous one 3$/month so if you dont want to spend money go watch videos or search for free websites.
-Immersion: watch streams, anime, read manga or whatever you want.
-Do a diary: just write whatever happened today or describe the places you have been or whatever you want with the knowledge you have. After you finished it go check it yourself and then check it with deepL, it wont solve every mistake but usually you notice the most dumb ones... It helps a bit.That's all I do.I did not count the immersion time as study time because I learn the language to watch the streams not the opposite.

>>12103600
Ah cheers.
Last semester I picked up Japanese as an elective paper in my engineering degree.
At the moment I’m seeing a private teacher once a week to continue learning it.
I hadn’t heard of SRS systems.
Thanks for that.

>>12077781
>expectations
What are these expectations?

>>12100683
anon, you must have had an autistic slip-up and mixed up en fans and jp fans, because the the ones who see chuubas as their stand-in girlfriends are overwhelmingly the japs.

>>12076547

>>12103600
here's my pro guide to understanding like 75% of what's going on during gameplay (zatsudans are going to be pretty fucking hard to understand for a while. )
to begin, learn hiragana/katakana, takes like a week unless you're retarded.
simultaneously: download anki, grind out the anki core 2k japanese word list. read slowly through tae kim's grammar guide to learn various grammar points. in the beginning, focus on a few of the basic verb conjugations.
look for comprehensible input that you can listen to. dedicate your focus entirely to the content. you aren't going to learn shit from watching something that you can only understand 10% of; find ways to understand it better.
no visuals = nerf to comprehensibility., so avoid podcasts etc. look for shit with pretty pictures. here's a good starter youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/ComprehensibleJapanese/videos
the best immersion content is content that's easy to understand, but that doesn't make you want to blow your brains out from boredom.


if you're serious about learning the language, you're going to want to buckle down on your kanji in order to learn to read properly. i recommend wanikani, but some people swear by Remembering the Kanji. either way, choose one of those two and stick with it consistently. wanikani starts slow but will pick up as you go, so dont worry about it. neither of them will magically make you literate, but its the difference between.
after you learn about 100 kanji, you can try to start actually reading simple content. a lot of people suggest graded readers; what worked best for me was an app called satori reader.
written japanese is a little different from spoken japanese, but improving your understanding of one will improve your understanding of the other, so don't slack on either.

some people hate textbooks, but finishing genki 1 and 2 is a good checkpoint for starting to actually understand the language and how it works. you can ahoy them pretty easily.

this will be enough to get you to understand the gist of what's going on during chuuba gaming streams.

がんばれ

>>12105481
you immediately, without fail, expose yourself as an underage retard once you post a w*jack

>>12105844
*its the difference between being blind and trying to learn the language vs being able to see and understand content using the written language as an aid. particularly helpful because reading the subtitles of an anime as you go, for example, is going to make it much more comprehensible.

sorry, i got interrupted while writing this novel and forgot to fill this part out

>>12105481
Literally this but I hate s*yjaks so no.

>>12084222
>Fucking when has this ever even happened?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe_DGgHZ6FE

>>12076466
Well, and a ching chong nip nong to you, too, young lady.

>>12097242
>their idol and GFE bullshit
>their

>>12106566
wtf I love Ame now

>>12109546
anon...

>>12077781
I might have to say this really loud cos some people here have not washed their ears in a while. VTUBERS DO NOT HAVE TO CATER TO EVERY SINGLE RETARD WHO SHOWS IN THEIR CHAT AND WANTS TO GIVETHEM MONEY.

>>12098254
I think some of the EN vtubers overestimate how entertaining they are without their personas. Its always a delicate balance, lean too much into the persona and alienate the audience who wants a personal streamer, lean too little without being inherently entertaining and your streams suck. I think a clear example of this is Amelia, she's recently leaning much less into her whole brat/detective persona and the latest streams have been just her being bad at videogames.

>>12095478
>>12089512
what puts me off about it is that she took time out of the stream to reprimand this guy (at length) in front of thousands of people, when she could've just banned him quietly.

>>12113113
why are they like this? are you unironically a tranny? Just trying to understand your behaviour and way of communicating.

>>12115280
>everyone who disagrees with me is a tranny
you must be a tranny

>>12083150
What am I looking at? Tell me, I honestly have no idea what this image is supposed to convey. Either way you unicorn faggots are some of the most pathetic fags I've come across on the internet. Emboldened by you're environment and safe space of a board, you feel righteous in your pathetic screeching at the mere idea that a male is within speaking distance of a holo girl. You come off as a fucking loser though.
>The argument against male collabs has been articulated well, many times.
Fucking where? I only ever see you fags scream WHORE while acting like a bunch of gossipy 13 year old girls or homosexuals, giggling over the dislikes. Anime girls being slaves to your mental illness and the promise of going apeshit in youtube comments if they so much as acknowledge that a male exists is nothing to be proud about. Of course there's a ton of simp cuck money in it and going against that hurts bottom lines, but I'd hardly say, "they make more money if they obey us, and if they break our trust, we'll shit all over them" is a well articulated reason to not have MALE COLLABS. Hell I'll even say it shouldn't be forced either. The way button and suisei have gone about it, ignoring the fucking retards and just do what they want is the way to go. You neck beard spergs throw your bitch fit while shitting in your diapers, and everyone else goes on with life, no harm, no fowl.

>>12115174
You say that like what she did isn't the right response to the consistent headache weirdos like that have been. She made an example out of him in order to show that she isn't going to tolerate that kind of behavior, setting a hard boundary.

>>12091712
They were automatically wrong to begin with.

Quit bumping these faggy threads.

>>12099412
Cope.

>>12118503
Ogey

>>12118503
No.

>>12100683
>Older Otaku
>understands how the real world works

>>12100683
This is why older otaku were mostly only following holos known to have had relationships in the past and who used to openly talk about their old relationships instead of pretending to be a retarded doutei.

>>12130457
The longer a female doesn't have sex, the more health problems she starts to have.
Starting with irregular periods and needing tracking apps and medications to stabilize it.
Hormonal mood swings
Early onset menopause
Urinary tract infections
Unstable blood pressure
Schizophrenia
Suicidal tendencies

Basically they become similar to us older otaku, and there is nothing we find more attractive than us but in the body of a cute girl

>>12117969
>where?
in this thread: >>12098254 >>12082492 >>12091218

(now, you can argue that those aren't good arguments.)

>>12085391
>>12097404
>die mad
go back.

>>12118055
I guess subjecting one person to the masses rubs me the wrong way. she could've made those statements generally.

>>12105844
Cheers.
I am using wanikani and Genki 1 already.
Thanks for the other suggestions.
I’ve already learned hiragana quite well, katakana is a bit harder because I encounter it less.
I know maybe 20 kanji.
I’ve only been studying an hour a week for the past 6-ish months, but I’m looking forward to beginning in earnest once my finals are done.

>>12086320

>No. Even videogames are better

HAHAHAHA he cant be serious

>>12077781

Solar Malcharius

>>12100683
Bullshit. EOPs flocked to Kronii to be a dom mommy experience. Literally the only reason Nina Kosaka gets more than 2views is the honey shit. Kids want a surrogate mom. Men want a surrogate daughter to spoil and dote on. This is why Gura, Shion, and Rushia are so popular.

>>12091247
Id chuba:
Halu gws

>>12084222
Ame routinely throws a hissy fit when chat gets in her way.

>>12147108
>a surrogate daughter to spoil and dote on
>molest
fixed

>>12086320
>live their better life
You severely underestimate how many of these girls are tied to the hip to streaming. Some of these girls are legit stinky neets.

>>12097554
i'm in my 50s

>>12077020
Are you still mad about Ina?

You fucking pricks wouldn't just let my lioness be, would you?
The one and only holo without retarded drama and schizo rrats, the main obstacle in your quest to poison everything, Shishiro Botan wouldn't give you anything to work with. No weird remarks, no slips, no almost-doxing-herself, no fucking nothing, so in your impotent rage you alone had to come up with something. A streamer scolds and bans little shit messing up with everyone and you try to spin it into Botan looking for boyfriend in an online tournament. I only visit /vt/ to fuel my rage since I'm at a point I actually enjoy it

>>12076466
>called his ass a moral problem
That made me chuckle.