/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>12371418
Western corps are a bunch of pussies that bow to chinks, that's pretty much it

Good proof of leaked sponsorship money deal you've got there buddy,... oh, wait.

>>12371418
Western fans: Just in it for the memes
Japanese fans: Loyal gachikoi who are way more into anime culture, japanese culture, vtubers.

Japanese vtubers will always have more views and more profits because the west is only treating vtubing as a meme while they're legitimate celebrities there.

>>12371482
nah they can't for ideological reasons, cute girls are bad now

>>12371503
Do you think if the West had a vtuber the size of Gura but with a non-anime avatar they'd get better sponsorships? That's pretty much the only thing I can think off that's still holding Hololive back in the West.

if you touch grass you'd realize that chinks has massive control over western market.
>Doom removed THE DOOG easter egg is proof.
>Tencent owns more than half the gaming industry. Maybe even more in the future.

>>12371418
They're relatively new and EN management is a bunch of incompetent nincompoops too scared of letting the girls out of the minecraft treadmill.
Also not helping is the fact that western society in general still has yet to see vtubing as more than a Weird Thing From Japan, which has actually severely impacted its approach.

>>12371673
DOOG is an example of SJWs being angry at a cute girl in a game

>>12371688
I guess in a few year's time the market for vtubing will grow in the West, just as it did for anime in general.

>>12371418
Playing sponsored games is one thing, but when a western vTuber tries shilling food like Gura did, it feels so deeply insincere and cringe.

>>12371418
Just trust the plan, i know what i'm doing

>>12371901
but JP vtubers shill shit constantly and the fans never really hate it, different cultures? I do think that Western audiences might be more hesitant to get ads constantly shoved up their faces compared to Japanese ones, but even then.

>>12371482
>cover is a japanese company
heh

>>12371940
rent free

>>12371711
you mean a game about killing angels and demons? Highly doubt they cared about a few tweets.

>>12371901
You couldn't get Flava Flav to hype up shitty french fries covered in shitty cheese and shitty dust.

Probably that's why, sponsoring company that enables pedophilic tendencies is not a good look in the west, especially right now.

>>12372146
Sure except they employ hundreds of them? Twitter is barely relevant. Activist types will harass in every possible way, they literally don't even bathe so they have a ton of options.

>>12371557
>non-anime
If she wasn't a loli.

>>12372239
Bait. Please come up with actual reasons.

>>12371418
I'm kinda surprised Coinbase hasn't sponsored EN yet. They have done other Twitch streamers.

>>12372367
Exactly, why are companies so afraid of EN. Their numbers are not as big as JP, but they sponsor streamers with similar numbers all the time. What's rubbing them the wrong way?

>>12371418
Can you tell me a streamer her size that is getting multiple shills in the west? I only know of Youtubers and Podcasters. I don't watch streamers other than Holos. I don't like looking at 3D streamers. I also know that some shills are either initiated by the content creator or by the company. Maybe Cover should hire someone that would actively look for sponsors in the west

>>12372405
it's obvious dude.

>>12371418
Because EN sponsors care more about Twitch and I don't know how good sales are for EN merch.

>>12372431
Not to me, what is it?

>>12371688
ninomaecompoops

>>12372483
Well, if we go with the fact that JP gets a lot more merch coming in various forms compared to what EN gets, I'd say they sell a fuckton more.

>>12372205
Nothing on Taco Bell's menu is better than decent, which makes it a lot harder to shill

>>12372547
Using attractive females as advertising is considered bad form for the last 8 years or so, the bigger the company the more of 'those types' they employ.
Using girls that are drawn as symbols of perfection would literally make Karen's screech in their offices at their boss until a change was made.

>>12372430
Ludwig averages 18k CCV and got sponsored by MSI, Bose and a fucking Peanut company among others.

>>12371418
Anime girls and otaku shit are much more ingrained and prevalent within Japan culturally and societally versus the West it really isn't that complicated anon.

>>12372625
Uh, anon that was far from obvious. To be honest the theory about anime being far less popular in the west makes a lot more sense to me than this.

>>12371418
cause western companies don't typically give a shit about streamers or anime. what a dumb question

>>12372785
Anon they sure as fuck give a shit about normal streamers, just not vtubers.

>>12372772
Ew, you're one of them

>>12372772
Companies will look at Hololive and see it as a form of pandering to lonely men except instead of camgirls its with youtube avatars.

Streamers like Amouranth hardly get the same big sponsors that large streamers like Ludwig get despite similar viewership.

>>12372822
VTubers are anime. Western companies won't get associated with anything anime related.
And the majority of companies don't give a shit about streamers either. Really only RedBull and hardware companies give a shit

Because the anime aesthetic isn't as widely accepted in the west compared to Japan where it originated from.

>>12371418
Because VTubers are normalized in Japanese society, while in the West they only exist in a niche of a niche? It's all about numbers and reach.

>>12371418
Because EN is a failure, and the only thing Gura has are dead subs.

>>12371418
Here you go now they're marketable in the West

>>12372772
this.
anime in japan is synonymous with "animation", its just normal media. depsite gaining some normie popularity in the west its still niche. so take a medium highly related to anime, thats much more niche than anime, and obviously its not going to perform as well. people i see argue otherwise are usually too engrossed in their bubble to realise how niche it is.

>>12371418
Because they haven't updated Holomyth's rigging.

>>12373594
it's the exact same reason as mine but more general and less specific as to the why.
Only a faggot would be trying to close a certain curtain and show only part of what's going on.

>>12373651
meds

>>12372239
“Pedophilia” is only bad in the west
>I’m gonna marry a 13 year old and you can’t do anything about it.

>>12373573
you'd be a fool to not want to see that

>>12373731
There's plenty of examples of anime advertising in the west, this year alone the army did anime advertising and McDonalds did a pokemon thing for the 25th anniversary.
The only thing missing in those advertisements is cute anime girls, the anime style is completely fine.

>>12371711
>SJWs hate Korone
Who do you think the normies that spread the DOOG meme in the first place are?

>>12373876
gamers, not gaymers

>>12373894
Trannies fucking love chuubas. Even brief interactions with them make it obvious.

>>12373860
Again, vtubing is a niche of a niche. It took years for the West to come to a point where they "accept" anime and even then, Japanese studios are still very reluctant to advertise in the West because they have no fucking clue of where to start form. It'll take a few more years again for advertisers to see vtubing as something worth looking into.

>>12373771
@fbi

>>12374005
I really don't see a future with cute anime girls advertising things we enjoy.
>>12374001
That's fine, not all of them are political?

>>12371418
EN hololive was a fluke, Gura doesn't get nearly the views or SC's she should for having so many subscribers. All of myth are much less popular than sub counts would lead you to believe, and still largely niche outside of Japan and less popular among Japanese viewers. They're a side project and always will be

>>12371418
What major sponsorship deals do streamers even get in the west? G Fuel and gamer chairs?

>>12374060
>I really don't see a future with cute anime girls advertising things we enjoy.
Baby Groot and Baby Yoda are the harbingers of cute things becoming more prevalent in the west. It's only a stone's throw away before there's a mainstream anime girl filling the niche.

Because ironic weebs don't make for good costumers

>>12373795
Hololive EN ft. Snoop Dogg & Lil' Jon in VR form
What are the coordinates for this timeline

>>12374128
seething sora/roboco hands typed this

>>12374060
Eh, probably not. It's probably one of those things that will ONLY work in Japan. We might see more of it but I don't think we'll ever get to a point where we'll see a vtuber on TV like they do there. I'm calling it, the next vtuber that will overtake Gura will not be using an anime avatar.

>>12374157
My tako tentacles typed that and I don't care how popular/mainstream my oshi is, I'm happy with her as a niche streamer

>>12374135
Hardware companies like Intel or Asus, fast food companies', Amazon, pretty much any video game company you can think off, Insurance companies (yes, for real), Frozen food brands like Hot Pockets, energy drinks, car companies, telecom companies, clothing companies, drinks like beer or soda, fucking Uber, etc.

>>12374260
some fucking american bitch across the world who pretends to be a drunk little girl has made more money then you in the year and a half shes been around vs your fucking 5 or 6 years god damn what the ever living fuck why even at this point if you quit now those subscribers would just pool into other idols on top of cutting cost of your management and upkeep god damn

>>12374162
Maybe i'm dumb but I think Seth McFarlane would make a good vtuber for advertising and such

There are probably easier and cheaper ways to hit a wider weeb demographic than vtubers.

Didn't read this thread but I'll give you a real answer: networking. Cover has practically no corporate presence outside of Japan, which is why anything related to production practically doesn't exist. Even getting that taco bell collab was almost certainly entirely because of some young taco bell marketing intern.

In Japan, Cover has a company and staff who can run around and manage all these things. Outside of Japan, they have streamers, a few managers, and literally nothing else.

>>12371534
The roastie fears the 2D cutie

Vshojo will get more sponsorships then HoloEN. Vshojo chads and twitch chads just keep winning.

>>12374586
Good point, I didn't think about that. Now, is it because Cover simply doesn't see the point of making the effort of reaching out to foreign markets more than they already do?

>>12374586
i think the general perception of anime being less negative to your average >35 y/o normie in japan has a lot to do with like. how many companies there vs here are willing to plaster on cute and/or sexy anime girls onto the packaging of their products to be sold in normal grocery and department stores.

>>12374704
Yagoo is an entrepreneur who most certainly doesn't have any experience managing a company on a global scale, so its likely just a matter of him not knowing how to grow the company globally. He's only done what he already knows how to do. Its a shame, because I'm sure there are marketing and production execs who would see someone like Gawr Gura having no real marketing/production staff and consider that some sort of horrible nightmare.
>>12374711
See above. Whether that's an issue or not is hard to say, because at the end of the day Cover simply doesn't have the expertise nor the staff pushing any marketing outside of Japan.

>>12375054
How much can Cover actually do even if they had the expertise for it? Massive anime companies don't want to touch the West with a 10 foot pole because they don't know how to fuck to market their product outside of Japan either. The issue doesn't only rely on Cover's shoulders, though there are definitely things they could do to market their talents to advertisers, there is still a big stigma related to anime in the West. But again, I'm sure if Cover really tried (and also found the benefit in trying) they could get more advertisers for their EN talents.

>>12371418
Anime shit, and by extension vtubing, is a much bigger deal in Japan.

>>12373594
>so take a medium highly related to anime
how are vtubers highly related to anime? most (but not all) vtubers use anime styled models and that is where the similarities end.

>>12374586
/thread

>>12375429
the modern world is shallow with labels like that these days, people like to have things like "gay man" or "black woman" and use that as reason for value outside of those peoples individual traits.

>>12375429
It's people using anime characters as their streaming avatar. If they all used fursuits instead would you ask "How is this related to furries?"

>>12375429
>vtubers use anime styled models
Done

>>12371482
If a tranny tuber joined gen 3 guaranteed west corps will be throwing themselves at it

>>12375631
but using an anime artstyle is not a requirement for being a vtuber and even if it were, having an anime artstyle =/= being highly related to anime. would you say that every awful chink gatcha game is highly related to anime?

>>12371418
Because ironic weeb redditors are the most useless people in the world, and they make up for 90% of holoEN's audience

>>12375738
>some but not all vtubers use anime styled models and no sensible person considers using a certain artstyle a requirement to be a "true" vtuber
>even if they all did use an anime artstyle they have much much more in common with regular streamers than anime
Done

>>12375867
Yes? If you mean stuff like azur lane, arknights and girls frontline they're super anime, and that's the point they're trying to be anime, and sure not all vtubers are anime styled but to the west all vtubers are anime styled, if you showed peanut-kun to a western person they wouldn't really call him a vtuber

>>12375879
what do you mean by ironic weebs? It doesn't matter if they're useless or not, they still buy shit.

>>12375944
yes those games have anime artstyles but how else are they related to anime? unless you're saying anime is an artstyle and literally nothing else at all.

>>12371418
Consider this.

The instant big business gets in on the vTuber action too, then it's pretty much all over. vTubing becomes "mainstream" and everywhere.

Would anyone actually want this?

>>12375985
People who don't genuinely like this vtubing thing. Or anime. Trend-chasers. They "like" whatever is the latest fad and their youtuber pretend friends tell them to like. A sad existence where irony tries to fill the gaps left by the lack of a personality.

>>12375867
Yeah chink gachas are literally indistinguishable from Japanese ones. It's a wholesale adoption of anime culture.

>>12371418
>JP Gachikois: deep wallets, fond of microtransactions, willing to whale for their oshis
>EN Gachikois: poor & worthless neckbeards

>>12376076
>The instant big business gets in on the vTuber action too, then it's pretty much all over.
>vTubing becomes "mainstream" and everywhere.
anon...

>>12376098
i don't care who makes the gatchas. the fact that it is a game and not an animation means it is not anime, nor is it related to anime.

The only profitable EN market is North america (yeah take reality pills euro and south america poorfags) and the anime scene even in NA is tiny.

>>12376059
What most people see in their minds when they think of anime is the art style. Of course it's more than that, but the art style is one of the biggest thing that makes an anime, an anime.

>>12371673
the fuck? no you moron it was removed because of potential copyright issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UX2rb8EvTA

>>12376076
Anon, it's not about being mainstream, it's about getting sponsors. Shitty boxing fights where people pay $5 a ticket to watch 2 nobody hobos fight each other get better sponsors than what HoloEN gets.

>>12376059
To the west anime IS an artstyle, in japan anime might just be the way to say animation it doesn't really mean anything deep or a genre or a style but that doesn't apply to the west, everyone will call the girls in chinese gacha anime girls and everyone will call vtubers anime girls

>>12376085
I consider myself a weeb because of how much I love video games and their characters, as a kid I probably imagined Japan as a more fantastical place than even majorly autistic anime fans.
I don't know if you're wrong about the ironic weeb thing outside of video games though.

>>12376213
I'm not gonna say you're wrong but that's not how people think anymore, anime is just an artstyle to the west, why do you think the term anime games exist despite them having no traditional animation?

>>12376373
Why do you as a watcher give a fuck about sponsors though?

>>12376479
I don't, I'm more interested in the factors that make the EN girls not have as many as you would expect for the sizes they have. It's just curiosity more than anything. Also I'm a marketer for one of the biggest company on the planet and I die to know what inbreds of 4chan have to say.

>>12374586
This.
Vtubing right now in the west is what used to be anime in the 80's and videogames in the 90s.
A somewhat obscure (yet popular somehow) trend popular among young and dedicated fans.
Enjoy while you can. Videogames pozzed by 2020s, anime pozzed by 2030, vtubing pozzed by 2035.

>>12372556
inaff

>>12374288
Did the chinese not mess up a ROG/ASUS sponsorship with one of the JP Holos? Could've sworn that happened.

>>12371418
>Western fans: Just in it for the memes
>Japanese fans: Loyal gachikoi who are way more into anime culture, japanese culture, vtubers.
This extends to the vtubers themselves. Hololive EN seems like a giant trainwreck of technical mistakes and low effort. Everyone is constantly just walking away from the computer and leaving their avatars dangling, never using transitions properly, cycling through the wrong faces, etc. The production values feel so low in comparison. Meanwhile, the Japanese vtubers are typically much more strict about it, usually trying to innocently play off those kinds of mistakes.

It's a different environment entirely.

>>12372340
How is that bait? Pretty fucking obvious that the west would cancel pedoshit. There's a reason EN doesn't bring it up 99.99% of the time. Even fucking gura doesn't.

>>12374586
>>12375054
Yeah, this.
Everyone crying about anime is only seeing maybe 20% of the picture. In Japan Hololive is a big fish in a small pond, their streamers can make top 20 lists and some are even in the top half, their youtube channels range from top 100 to top 1000, they have connections to various japanese media and industry that they've been building for 4 years. Even so they're doing better than expected considering they're a production company, a talent agency, and supposedly a tech company, all in the same startup.
In the English-speaking world Hololive doesn't have a channel that even makes the top 50 streamers. And almost everyone they're competing against are represented by either massive celebrity-scale talent agencies like UTA or CAA, or streamer-specific agencies who are part of the old boys club of gaming and esports sponsorships, like Loaded or Evolved. We're talking people who will sell an advertiser a deal and then call up another agency run by their friends to subcontract it if none of their own talent fit. As an outsider with a predominately JP staff Cover just doesn't have anything they need to compete for these advertisers. Presuming they know the problem, then optimistically it will be a few years until they are bringing in the same volume and quality of sponsorships because they need to build their sales team from the ground up, just like they did for JP. Pessimistically they need to partner with an American agency or will never be able to compete.

>>12371418
Because anime is a lot easier to sell in Japan.
I guarantee you HoloEN could get decent gaming sponsors like Dell/Alienware, Intel, w.e.
They get a lot of eyeballs on their streams.

>>12371418
Part of the philosophy of countries to consume and promote their own products and culture.

Anime is a japanese product so that is the place where it's most commonly used for advertisement.

Americans produce cartoons so for them is more common to sell products using those.

>>12382505
I didn't even know top streamers were represented by big corpos, how does it all work? Are they like agents? I always naively saw streamers as "indies".

>>12372755
>>12372772
Anime still doesn't have the popularity in the west yet. Or rather it's popular but not really public. There aren't anime characters on trains asking people not to eat and such. It's strictly within its own sphere of entertainment.

the sponsorships will come. You guys know how the budget works, it's a yearly thing. It takes time for sponsorships to develop and EN is still brand new. They will definitely come for the viewership numbers and USA advertising is the most lucrative in the world. If you understood business you would know the main goal is just establishing a successful brand in english world and not monetizing it yet. They have really low costs, it's 100% about creating the right brand and talent mix to dominate the market. It's ludicrously profitable.

>>12371418
Given that JP Nijis also have disproportionate sponsorships relative to their sub count and general popularity, seems obvious that JP corpos are more likely to ask anime people to sponsor their shit than Western.

Seriously thread is fucking braindead on money. Hololive investors will make infinite money off this at any time they want if they can keep up their market share. EN is absolutely going to be more valuable than JP in the long run because of TAM. You guys are clueless over how much money this engagement is worth if they keep growing for a few more years. With the VR aspect and 3D avatars they can sell to facebook or meta for a jillion dollars and never worry about money.

Jesus fuck you guys are clueless about how fucking hungry venture capital is for exposure to something like hololive. They don't even need profit to make infinite money if they wanted, the viewership and growth is enough

>>12388707
Also depending on contracts, they definitely own all the IP related to the characters at the least. Who knows if they own the likeness forever and can ever do some voice magic with ML to keep them alive in some form for future media use. It's a crazy good business model.. I'd pay so much for any investment in hololive.

It's like they own the talent in some ways and with collabs can create really fast growth. It's going to print so much money if they keep it up. It's an unbelievably good business model since the corporate virtual tuber strategy works perfectly.

>>12371418
>Why is JP so much more profitable than EN in Hololive? I am not just talking about superchats, but also sponsorships and merch. Why are the JP chuubas getting sponsorship deals with massive corporations like Square Enix, Capcom, Red Bull or Toyota? The only notable sponsor EN girls had was a shitty 1 hour Taco Bell stream, a mobile game and Tails.
It's "Tales of" and its not that only the JP can get them it's that the EN don't want them or to do them, I don't understand how you can make a thread like this but then praise Kiara for turning down FF14 sponsorship. As far as we know, there's nothing off limits to EN that JP hasn't done you're also conveniently forgetting all the cons the EN girls have been doing while the JP girls never do those in Japan.

>Is it because corpos are still scared of anime in the West?
Yes...coropos are so afraid of anime and VTubing that Netflix and Crunchy Roll decided to fight back against the anime scourge by making their own anime waifus

>Gura gets an average of 20k CCV, it's still massive and other normal streamers her size get sponsored by Intel, Amazon, McDonald's and Red Bull. Also, JP gets deals for a lot more merch than what EN gets
Gura's actual average is somewhere around 9k not 20 also majority of Hololives merch is obviously produced in Japan there where (thanks to China and the pandemic) and already slow travel time of getting merch is even slower, this means that they see less oversea fans buying it and thus not bothering with opening production lines or even making more merch with the currents ones so yes obviously the EN girls don't do as well on standard physical merchandising.

>>12389011
>praise Kiara for turning down FF14
Tourist here. Why the fuck would she do that? Is she a retard?

>>12389011
Yes, and youtube is getting "hosting" where you can send viewers to other channels at the end of streams soon. Anyone worried about the financial status of hololive or the employees are braindead. The only mistake they can make is being terrible with money. There's zero financial problems with hololive.

>>12371418
Other than numbers you need to be good at shilling or a big fan of said things they are shilling. FBK is a huge westaboo, Suisei, Nene and Pekora are Bleachfags. And some JP members are huge gacha addicts that makes them perfect for shilling gacha rolling games. The only one good at shilling in HoloEN is Kiara. Watching Ame's Priconne shilling stream makes me wanna bang my head to my PC screaming JUST ROLL THE GACHA NOBODY WANTS TO WATCH YOU PLAYING THE GAME. And Ame's voiceline in Paladins feels monotone asf, not that its bad because her comfy voice is supposed to be one of her appeal, but imagine someone from JP doing the voiceline.

>>12386343
Streamers arent small time anymore, the nature of streaming, psrson in a room makes it seem small. For example that commie guy Hassan is well connected politically.

>>12389101
Oh I'm far from worried about anybody's financial status in Hololive. I know they make absolute bank, especially compared to what lots of Holos would make if they had to find an actual job. I made this thread because I was curious, and I must admit I suck when it comes to understanding how a company like Cover takes care of their operations overseas. I got some good answers here, obviously it's still 4chan but lots of the answers made somewhat sense.

>>12389907
Fair enough, I looked into it and I don't see why it was so foreign to me that streamers were backed up by organizations, it makes lots of fucking sense for them to be.

>>12388707
By TAM you mean the potential market Cover could hit in the long run? I don't see animoo girls getting insanely big in the West anon.

>>12371940
Thank you, for putting a stop to Holo EN males.

>>12371418
You will never be Japanese.

>>12372239
>is not a good look in the west
kek

>>12371418
The same reason as to why Maid café don't exist in the West, cultural differences. Also Japanese women just don't have the same mindset as Western women.

>>12371418
Now removes the outliers like rushia and account for the disparity in number of talents.

>>12379112
From what I remember yes, Fubuki was supposed to get some sort of ASUS sponsorship but some bugman tipped off the Coco situation to the higher ups and they pulled the plug as a result.

>>12402916
What happened was one of the social media guys in CN bugged out on NGA over JP Asus. This caused Asus to be put in a bad spot and they ended up cancelling the JP sponsorship. Not long after, an opening for a new social media spot for CN opened up.