/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

bigger booba = bigger number

>>12669542
200M VOD mile stone :
1. Mori 422 days (9/12/2020-11/7/2021)
2. Pekora 705 days (7/17/2019-6/21/2021)
3. Marine 714 days (8/11/2019-7/25/2021)
4. FBK 1249 days (6/1/2018-10/23/2021)
5. Hololive 1812 days (3/3/2016-2/17/2021) (creation date)
How about Niji and others ? (non convert)

>>12672062
cute but no

>>12672322
Unfortunate that a lot of vod numbers were cut off because of holocaust

gimme those winners of the day/ daily ranks please it is past midnight jst

>>12672410
Alas, too big, too fast. Not enough competent staff on board to realize just how fucked they could get. They went from a small startup that could act like indies to shooting up to the top of chubba foodchain, and it attracted a lot of attention and ire.
Ha....a bloody shame, all those vods, lost because there weren't enough archive anons and data hoarders in the holofandom back then...

>>12672062
Why isn't her boobs bouncing? Forgot to pay for 3D assistants fee?

>>12671989
This is hololive without Coco Gonzalez. Watching a hololive that doesn't have Coco Gonzalez is like eating tacos without using any tortillas. Completely baseless. No different from pathetic Nijisanji dogs who eat off the floor.

>>12673241
Nijis can ask for boob physics or ask for it to be lessened which is why Dola's flop everywhere like antigrav, and Aizonos are tastefully bouncy.

>>12673261
Ah I missed you coco ritual poster. It's been a while since you've made your way over here.
>>12673284
Ah, that makes sense. Alas, the bounciness to size is mismatched here...
>>12672062
Counterpoint : Pekora

>>12673261
>Coco
I wanna use my teeth to scrape off and eat all the delectable calluses underneath Coco's feet. Slurp on her very soft toes. Then deepthroat her ENTIRE 21cm foot. Anons here know me as a feet faggot but I am in actuality a Feet Enjoyer, No no no, A feet GOD.

>>12672726
There's some data on Playboard

>Holo would have won with Kana and Towa 3D regardless of Marine or the after party festival.
sugoi.

Miko gathered a total of 567k hours watched live over 9.3 hours of 3 sportsfes streams.
averaging at a high number of ~61k ccv for those 9.3 hours of MC content.
For comparison, Pekora's Jump King nets about 750k hours watched live over 28.9 hours between 4 streams with an average about 25.9k ccv.

Miko usually clocks about 1m to 1.5m of hours watched live a month, let's see if she can finally clear the 2m line this month. a feat only Pekora can regularly achieve in hololive (she does about 2.5m to 3m)

https://youtu.be/IiBHT6yc_wE
Gura starting off the month with a debuff game. DMC4 and Metroid to come too. It's gonna be a rough month for her numbers.

>>12675057
Oh. Oh boy.
At least she's finishing super Metroid? I hope. She's really bad at 'finishing' games unless they're resident evil, of which she has actually finished the main stories of every one she's played on stream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5770IoYT4Rw

Any chance these gain traction?

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>69,669: Miko (Hololive)
>36,533: Marine (Hololive)
>31,871: Kanata (Hololive)
>29,137: Lize (Nijisanji)
>27,910: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>26,414: Pekora (Hololive)
>25,170: Fubuki (Hololive)
>24,444: Kiara (Hololive)
>16,811: Shibuya Hal (merise)
>15,526: Subaru (Hololive)
>14,531: Okayu (Hololive)
>13,824: Lauren (Nijisanji)
>13,655: Botan (Hololive)
>12,292: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>11,584: Flare (Hololive)
>10,924: Kizuku (Nijisanji)
>10,427: IRyS (Hololive)

>>12675845
>8,633 views
I genuinely don't think so. Your posting it here will likely represent about some 5% more views, which doesn't body well for them

>>12675850
>3 (three) radio station playthroughs in a day
jesas

>>12675850
Hololive 11
Nijisanji 6

Kina a typical day. At least Kuzuha got the non-collab gold.

>>12675881
At least Hologra isn't popular in the west since they don't sub it so there is an opportunity.

>>12675850
11 Hololive
5 Nijisanji
1 Merise
Top 1-3 all Hololive. Not even a silver or bronze as consolation prizes...

>>12676085
>At least Hologra isn't popular in the west
>since they don't sub it
Anon?

>>12675980
>At least Kuzuha got the non-collab gold.
Anon, I...

>>12676085
..........what.
Excuse me, all Hologra are fucking subbed in EN, ES, ID and JP
>>12675980
Anon...Marine...

>>12676085
You misspoke right?

>>12676085
>At least Hologra isn't popular in the west since they don't sub
Anon, I...

>>12676120
>>12676155
I was just pretending to be the guy who declares every indie as Nijisanji.

>>12676165
I'm certain he was shitposting. There is no way that statement was made seriously. I refuse to believe that they could be that dumb and not have it be on purpose.

>>12676168
btw, if they EVER add Korean subs to their Hologra... you're gonna see some serious shit.

>>12675850
How many of these are non-collabs?

>>12676207
Pekora, for starters.

>>12676155
>>12676165
>>12676168
>>12676103
I do not watch hologra and I never saw subs in screen shots. All views of whatever Nijisanji EN are doing are foreign, we don't know how many of hologra's viewers are foreign.

>>12676315
>and I never saw subs in screen shots
The english subtitles are as wacky as the anime itself, they're an attraction by themselves apart from the episode

>>12676315
Yeah, because the subs are done through the CC option, not baked into the video itself. Which would be dumb because of the number of options they want to provide.

>>12676205
There is no vtuber market in Korea. They have a plethora of streamers and their celebrity culture is too different.

>>12676207

Marine, Pekora, Subaru, Okayu, Botan, Kanae and Flare (Some started streaming solo but someone joined the stream later)

* NijiEN so far *
Nina bounced back up from 3 digits and now is consistent around the 1k line. Pomu is reading SC and 3 digits for her there is expected.

Now Reimu, this one has a real problem.
Millie managed to grab a share of the audience, Nina likewise but Reimu is stuck in 3 digits no matter what she does.
She will seriously have to find a talent (like Petra piano) to climb out of it or things will get even more dire with Wave 4 lands

>>12675845
9k views in a day isn’t great. But what’s a good comparison? Lemme check out the latest Hologra… 550k in 9 hours? Minimally animated absurdist humor shorts? Tons of these are over 1M views. Why?! Some are pretty good tbf but that’s a lot of views for what seem like petty low effort

>>12676459
THIS! But the west and 3 years ago

>>12676485
With that said they are truly risking a fate similar to NijiKR
>one breakout streamer pulling numbers comparable to the main branch
>all of the rest languishing on some sort of purgatory

>>12676500
The animators for Hologra do a great job , the models don't feel 'stiff' and generally they're hilariously ansurd in one way or another. That one completely silent one (that was totally a homage to Tom and Jerry shenanigans, sleeping dog and all) was a great way to mix things up as well.

>>12676500
Japanese really like "lol random" humor and they're short enough to easily watch whenever they come out.

>>12676571
Selen’s Apex/FPS fanbase barely cares about her own non Apex streams. They aren’t going to cross over to the others in her branch. A FPS fanbase doesn’t crossover as well as say singing, drawing, and general cute anime girl content. Mori can collab with other Holos who’s main content isn’t music, or write lyrics for a collab song. Selen making her branch mates look like newbs playing an FPS doesn’t benefit anyone but herself.

>>12676777
>Selen making her branch mates look like newbs playing an FPS doesn’t benefit anyone but herself.
BASED

TICK AND TOCK, GREEN LAMY!

>>12676571
No. NijiEN is a success by my and Anycolor's standard. NijiEN has a very even viewer distribution and all their livers are getting more views than ever. You can get a good living with those numbers.

>>12676915
She was about 5k behind, all MC boost?

>>12676963
At least for the day of sportsfes, Bae gained 5k compare to Fauna's 2k

>>12676919
>NijiEN is a success by my and Anycolor's standard
Rikun, you're drunk, go to sleep!

>>12676963
Yea, being the cameraman for the SportsFes really pushed up her subs.
>>12676919
Inb4 4 more waves in 2022 (not including wave 5 which will be this year).

>>12676915
Sana's 1k from tying Roberu. After that....1M.

>>12677059
>Yea, being the cameraman for the SportsFes really pushed up her subs
It was not just that.
>she opened a stream 30 min before the “sportsfes practice” day with the heavy hitters and got to present herself for a full 30 min while being the “waiting room” stream for the big ones
>along with Haachama “3 points”, she had the landmark solo moment of the event by being a rat and stealing the full contents of the chest of the opponent team, undetected

This, plus being a fixture of the JP primetime, helped her to grow her JP audience even further

>>12677059
NijiEN is cooling it on waves. The male wave will be the last for a while unless they blow up in a big way.
>>12677057
How are they not a success? They surpassed all expectations and got a big following with little market presence.

>>12677617
What standards of success are you using?? Is it Tsunderia level, v-shojo level, NijiIN or NijiID.

>>12677617
>They surpassed all expectations
I genuinely doubt their expectations for their EN branch would be
>to trail HoloID in every metric

>>12677862
>v-shojo level
nijien would still be failures then

>>12677862
Makes back the investment, establishes Nijisanji in the west, and is self sustaining. They've done all of this. Foreign interest in NijiJP is on the rise. I don't think it is right to compare them to other businesses due to their circumstances. It was a good business decision based on returns from investment. Anycolor has plenty of money to invest, they don't stick it back in their pockets like some companies.
>>12677940
Anycolor didn't expect something like the success other companies fell into due to their lack of foreign presence. Anycolor had no illusions, they have the channel analytics. None of the fans and none of the other members of other branches did.

This is a decent number for twitch indie, right?

>>12678177
Those are good numbers.

>>12678120
>Anycolor didn't expect…
> Anycolor had no illusions…
You surely are talking a lot in their name. Again: go away, Rikkun, you’re clearly drunk.

Here is a final thought: if they EVER said what you just said, but in an official character
>we’re opening a branch but our expectations is to go head to head with HoloID Anya’s numbers and beat her with a couple of members

They would receive ZERO serious applications

>>12678257
>They would receive ZERO serious applications
Are you high? do you know how many indies are NEETs wallowing in 2view hell?

>You surely are talking a lot in their name.
They have the real numbers, they knew how well their foreign presence is. They don't have to make shit up to cope like with trends or someshit. They wouldn't have any illusions they could just throw out a few livers and get a bunch of 10k+ livers.

>>12678177
Put her ahead of all but two of the currently streaming Nijis, and puts her close to the current numbers Ollie is pulling on the Holo side.

Very good numbers

>>12678334
>do you know how many indies are NEETs wallowing in 2view hell?
That’s most certainly not the case of the ones they accepted, specially Mille whose performance was clearly very close to what she’s getting right now
>except that, as an indie, she had a lot of doors open to her that are now are closed

>>12675007
If Miko keeps grinding and doesn't take a break after the sports fest festivities this is probably the best shot any Holo has of snapping Pekora's streak at #1 (I think its like 19 months in a row of #1?).

Kiara getting decent numbers with this game. Did she just broke out of her own debuff zone?

Speaking of Kiara
>Kanata posted screenshots of every EN girl participation on SportsFes to Reddit, in separated posts per girl
>Kiara’s got the least amount of upvotes
or at least it’s what the numbers show, I don’t know how they calculate it.

The poor girl is genuinely cursed with poor metrics, she must have been born over an Indian cemetery or something.

Gura OTOH has almost double of the rest of the girls

>>12678521
Kiara gets 6-7 for most games, 8-10 for Minecraft and 3-4 for part 8 of random JRPG. Her median ccv is almost entirely dependent on her game choice.

>>12678753
>Reddit mods actively try to suppress threads about Gura
>Can't delete a holo's post about Gura
>It gets more engagement than all the others
Gura is too strong

>>12678120
Weekly reminder that Anycolor changed their name from いちから to ANYCOLOR the same day LazuLight had their debuts.

>>12678830
>Reddit mods actively try to suppress threads about Gura
literally in what universe?

>>12679262
They tend to lock the entire subreddit when Gura does anything special, they also celebrate every milestone except for Guras'

>>12679262
the reddit would be 80% gura if they didnt.
is a good measure in my opinion.

>>12679366
>They tend to lock the entire subreddit when Gura does anything special,
This is true, mainly because they'd get abosolutely flooded with gura threads if they don't so they tend to create megathreads to funnel the discussion to
>they also celebrate every milestone except for Guras'
This is not

>unironic reddit discussion
>people who actually know what happens in reddit
Fucking kill yourselves, each and every one of you.

>>12678516
Correct. The HoloStatistics reddit actually has a great month by month breakdown of this stuff (inb4 reddit).

The closest Pekora came to losing her streak at #1 was Gura's debut month when Gura almost beat her.

Is the official tiktok account really helping ID that much?

>>12678753
Surprisingly Kiara wasn't the one with the most dislike
>>12679630
Post number fags we're fucking desperate here

>>12679823
>tiny sloppy red writing against a dark background with stripes

t-thanks

>>12679858
Numbers

Not counting the super early days when Hololive was only Sora, only 5 Holos have ever achieved #1 on that hours watched chart that comes out. Pekora (obviously), Aqua, Fubuki, Coco, and Miko. Marine, Gura, and Korone have never gotten #1.

>>12679979
>Aqua, Fubuki, Coco, and Miko
Which months

>>12679630
This is the numbers thread, not your secret club, fuck off if you don't like talking about numbers

>>12680330
>This is the numbers thread, not your secret club
Actually, based on the lengths OP (all of them) make to make this thread less appealing, it might as well be

>>12680261
Coco - Jan. 2020
Miko - Feb. 2020
Aqua - Mar. 2020 (last time it wasn't Pekora) and most of 2019.
Fubuki - Jan, Feb, Mar, Sept 2019

>>12675007
Can you tell me how to calculate hours watched?

>>12680556
I'm curious where the data is collected or it's just an estimation based on whatever metrics the post on reddit feels right

>>12680620
Add all the streams "average ccv x stream time" you get total watch time and total stream hours. "total watch time / total stream hours" you get monthly average ccv.

correct me if i'm wrong.

>>12680620
if you mean hours watched 'live' then its avg ccv * stream length. you can also calculate the area of the ccv by time graph/function by using derivatives to get similar results

>>12678177
More indie number

>>12680620
>Can you tell me how to calculate hours watched?
SUM(Average CCV of a stream * stream
Time)

>>12680752
>correct me if i'm wrong.
You’re not, that’s it

>>12680687
>I'm curious where the data is collected
There are several entities (Holostats, Piyo, StreamHatchet, Playboard, among others) collecting the raw data through YouTube API and doing the calculation.
Given that there are independent measurements you can always cross check to weed out any mistake or malicious manipulation

There's not much number to talk until the end of the month or until there's an event.
- Splatoon tournament is in two weeks, and Kuzuha can't reach 30k anymore.
- If EN wants to release their new outfits, they need to do it in the upcoming week or a week after that before overlapping with gen 3.
- ID1 might have a chance to debut their 3d this December since travel restrictions have been relaxed, but December might be packed with Christmas party.
- EN1 wanted to debut their 3d this year, and fan artists have been hired to do "some big projects", so their models are done, and it's more of an issue of scheduling.

>>12675845
nah, clearly is getting shit views

>>12681778
I think at this point Cover has shown they're willing to pack the schedule and do big events right next to each other, with IRyS debut, EN anniversaries, and Council debut so close. Wouldn't rule out EN outfits just being whenever they get done, without any special consideration for what else is going on around it.

>>12676485
shit numbers as always

>>12681866
I get the feeling from what the girls have said that the outfits have been done for months but Omega is dragging his heels on when to debut them.

>>12681778
>- ID1 might have a chance to debut their 3d this December since travel restrictions have been relaxed, but December might be packed with Christmas party.
I can see them doing it the week before Christmas, and ID girls spending Christmas in Japan for some off collabs (Iofi-Sora, Risu-Okayu-Korone, Moona-Pekora-Subaru)

I'm really curious about this.
Do you guys think the average age of your audience affects your views? (in youtube at least)
Is it possible that because it's less probable children use adblock or listen to streams in a secondary tab you have more views counted if your audience consists mostly of children?

>>12681272
something that i notice with twitch is they get their average but barely get any boost.
Mousey got a new 3d model and didnt pass 12k. Nyanners vr chat collabs also only amount 12K.

>>12679439
And what's wrong if it's only about Gura?
They realize Gura is the one that make them famous, right? So of course they will only want to talk about Gura. Not her fault the others are mediocre compared to her.

>>12682034
>Is it possible that because it's less probable children use adblock or listen to streams in a secondary tab you have more views counted if your audience consists mostly of children?
Short answer is
>NO
Long answer is
>NO, and this conjecture is so dumb it should be laughed off this thread so hard one’s penis would fall and become a feminine penis

>>12681744
But what about data from 2018 and 2019? Vnuma only collects peak ccv. Big thumbs up if there is anyone out there already collect the average ccv for the girls in the early days.

>>12682034
For Youtube? Yes, younger generations prefer to use phones/tablets rather than PCs. They are less likely to get filtered as spam views.
But it doesn't matter for Twitch since everyone is counted there.
Being family-friendly means that families will watch you on smart TV, so this is a plus for Youtube, a non-factor for Twitch.

>>12681778
always glad Cover didn't ignore ID's 3D wishes

>>12682104
*Bites the bait
You fucking nigger pedophile, from that 80% only 2% will be genuine chumbuds or holofans the rest will be clout chasers who do not care about Hololive but getting updoots and awards.
T. I was there when the holo sub and the virtual youtubers sub got bombarded by a lots of Gura's 1 million subs posts that made the Holo one go on lockdown for hours to clean up.

speaking of animations, some stuff from across the pond

>>12682034
Live views? well, young people have more free time after all

>>12682382
Can you give me the link? I wanna subscribe to him/her

>>12682512
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXbtH-LX74-P1YVaK9NgWVQ/featured

This was the same view count it had last week. How do we meme it into success?

>>12682613
that shit is boring

>One notable event from this Anime NYC which Tatara thinks could be a highlight is a hololive event featuring five VTubers.
>“I’m so excited to do that,” he says. “It’s never been done before and it’s a new type of content.”
I have to say this was cringe as fuck and pretty much detrimental to the Hololive brand.
If I were on management I would be vetting these appearances better so my talent wouldn’t lend their credibility to these plebeian events

https://www.nerdspan.com/interview-anime-nyc-founder-peter-tatara/

>>12682681
And? This is /numbers/ not /qualitycontent/

Pomu putting on a SC baiting masterclass on how to punch above your weight.

>>12682708
no good content, no numbers

>>12682613
post it on /pol/ and claims they reference the jews in relation to forced vaccine mandates somewhere in the video

>>12682692
And this is why cover doesn't take business advice from you

>>12682613
Get better writers.
The whole thing was just an NTR joke.

>>12682613
> VNthing
Niji intern-kun, just because you don't mind working for free doesn't mean others would do it pro bono. Do your own market research.

>>12682524
Thank You!

>>12682828
They should.
>YOU CAN’T HANDLE MY GIRTH!

>>12681272
Saruei is kind of like Nabi where she is already a well known artist and became known to hololive fans by drawing official art for Mori.
She then unveiled a SEX design with incredible rigging and transitioned into being a vtuber that stands everyday.
Kind of a perfect storm honestly.

>>12682512
https://youtube.com/channel/UCTxHnSngBiW0vc8QAg6lg0A
The EN version of this channel. The link that anon gave is the original JP version of the animations. I think this guy first uploads them in JP with no subtitles and then to the other channel. Good numberfagging I will say.

>>12682692
> minorities are pushed to be majorities
NY is shit.

>>12682882
She also draws much lewder content than most vtuber artists. If Ina crossed that line she’d be a monster.

>>12682613
Lame as Hell

>>12682733
Well Said

>>12682857
Even Great Writers won't shake tribalist dude. Not Hololive = Not Interesting

>>12678753
>Kuronii

>>12682883
Honestly he should've just used the same channel and made use of the multi language option in youtube. It's what people like that hololive song clip channel do and that does far better

>>12682613
As a Lazulight fan, I don't even want that to be popular. It's so bad it's barely even funny.

>>12682732
i'm still wondering why does Council Members kinda shuns SC baiting in general? don't get me wrong, i like it, but it's just interesting, is the hololive salary good enough for them?

>>12682922
Yeah... She's mega horny and she likes retweeting art of her avatar getting boned.
While she draws a shitton of holo art and is a big fan, her style is closer to Vshojo's, except she talks about sex and shit even more than them.

>>12683042
>>12682868
It was a shitpost and didn't cost much. It's not bad trying to catch a meme. Other companies do this shit all the time, even you precious Hololive does it.

>>12682883
Nice, thank you
I wonder why did this channel recommended to me yet.
My subscriptions are all Hololive and Holo-Only Clippers and animators
I also watch Museasia and Ani-one Asia but am not subscribed.

>>12683047
Because reading SCs are a pain for them.
And some feels obligated to bring in 200% Effort if too much SCs are donated to them.

>>12683047
At a certain point, you're rich enough that SCs are unnecessary for your livelihood so they probably just stop caring much about squeezing out every penny and focus more on content.
If they're in for the long haul, they know they'll make a lot anyways.
No offense, I like the JP girls, but some of them bait SCs like vtubing is going to end in 2 weeks.

>>12682883
>>12682524
>>12682382
I wonder if these meme animation channels steal the algorithm. How much would it cost to grab a few? We have to keep costs low but it might be worth it.

>>12683201
If you have to ask you can't afford it.

>>12682993
Yeah that seems like a good idea as well. More views on a single channel rather than spread over 2 channels will be better.
>>12683106
No idea. I also didn't get this channel recommended until very recently even though the videos on the channel have been doing good for quite a while. YouTube works in weird ways.

>>12683047
Most vtubers are too self-conscious by default to really do it. Same reason a lot of them won't do serious ASMR.

>>12683187
>>12683197
SCs are important for audience engagement and keeping the audience watching them and not watching other things or playing games. It isn't about the money the idiots throw at you, it's about keeping them thinking about you and the brand. Let them feel like they're investing into it, you will get an emotional commitment with the money too. Their lack of hustle bothers me because it is hurting the game.

>JP girls
They know what it is like not being some of the most famous vtubers in the world starting. You just can't get the hustle out of your blood.

>>12676085

>THAT FINAL CHANGE IN RULES FOR THE SPORTSFES TIE
Rigged as fuck! STOP THE COUNT!

>>12683201
>How much would it cost to grab a few?
Nothing can buy passion and love for talents , especially in things like this.
Now if you really want to think about the cost. Each of these videos will cost atleast in the mid 5 figures. Looking at the channel I see 3 videos in October. So that leads us to 6 figures just for 3 animations a month which may or may not go viral. So in the end it's not worth the money.

>>12683106
i still don't get how does muse asia get their profits and how are they allowed to upload anime episodes for free on youtube. The Adsense money can't even cover the licensing for these episodes.

>>12682942
Not even the NijiEN girls liked it, they were shitting on it.

>>12683370
time traveler-chama?

>>12683201
>How much would it cost to grab a few?
You can’t buy what’s given for free. That should be the ultimate rule of anything internet related

>>12683370
Coma chama...

>>12682692
Would you mind elaborating, anon? Maybe I'm missing something since I've never gone to any con or anime / manga related events in the US in general, but I'm not seeing how the two quote lines
>One notable event from this Anime NYC which Tatara thinks could be a highlight is a hololive event featuring five VTubers.
>“I’m so excited to do that,” he says. “It’s never been done before and it’s a new type of content.”
are cringy. What's so bad about them?

>>12682072
It's a Twitch thing the one who came watches the event probably just her regular
>Shitty discoverability
>No susan recommended RNG boost
>No custom thumbnail

>>12683400
They're not being team players. Nijification my ass, I'd have them graduate.

>>12683347
>SCs are important for audience engagement
nope, memberships are. And they are swimming on them.

>>12683490
based

>>12683510
Hakos didn't even get 1k for her members only unarchived karaoke. That just doesn't cut it. Kronii gets members, everyone else doesn't.

>>12683347
They just don't bait to get it. They still do hours of SC Reading.
Plus it's funnier to tease them since they "don't like it". Kronii always gets teased with Funds.

>>12683399
They are aware that the anime will be pirated so why not do it on YT for extra cash. I guess that's their mindset.

>>12681923
>ID girls spending Christmas in Japan for some off collabs
>Implying iofi and risu would spend Christmas with holojp instead of Oga
ngmi anon

>>12682072
meanwhile Nimu, on twitch, jumped from 10k to 50k on her outfit reveal. Coma mierda gringos.

>>12683754
the vshoujokiller

>>12683477
>What's so bad about them?
Hatsune Miku (a proto Vtuber by any interpretation) was packing 5k people in concerts in Los Angeles all the way back in 2011.
Any convention organizer thinking vtubers are any novelty in 2021 is a complete retard and whatever convention he’s organizing isn’t up to the standards for Hololive, Nijisanji, VShojo or even fucking VSPO because he clearly doesn’t know his trade and is in to suck in sweet otaku money

>>12683850
If Hololive held an EN concert in the US in a modest venue they would easily sell it out and sell a ton of online tickets. They need to get EN 3D ASAP.

>>12683850
i thought animeNYC is one of the biggest anime convention, just like anime expo?

>>12683850
or hes just trying to sell his product better. Calm down takeshi

>>12675850
King lost his silver medal?!!
Kanae apex beaten by red kuzuha? What a weird day

>>12684020
animeNYC is the second largest con now iirc.
Its been almost doubling in size every year.

>>12683754
can she speak english?

>>12683974
They're not idols anon unironically, at best we're getting Calli concert

>>12683754

>>12684278
la creatura

>>12684119
No she's mexican

>>12684238
Careful now, whenever I post that HoloEN aren't idols, won't put on lives, and don't want to do anything of the sort people crucify me on hlgg.

>>12683974
Madison Square Garden isn't that big. It'd probably cost more than Cover is worth to have a concert though.

>>12683565
I have both Hakos and Gawr memberships, and other EN, JP and ID.
Hakos has at least 20% of Gura's number, and slightly below IRyS (~-10%).
Safe to say that Hakos has at least 3k members. That's like $15k / month or $5k / month after Youtube and Cover cuts.
Not a superstar number, but it's a livable earning (not including other earning sources). She's set to do this full time.
Your cry for milkers is unwarranted when EN2 successfully filtered the gold-diggers.

>>12683786
have they ever collab?

>>12684707
I WANT gold-diggers. I want money and hustle. I want drive. I want 5 top picks, not 4 'intangibles' picks and a reluctant star.

She's only making $5.25k from memberships and barely $17k take home in SCs in 2 months. She's only making $13k a month and probably doesn't get much more from VODs. The convention probably doesn't pay that well for her and tonight's sponsorship is probably only a few thousand. She needs to make more money.

I didn't realize that Myth or treat was at 1.6 million already

>>12683089
Yeah, but Hololive never shitposts with Hetero NTR.

>>12684063

>Kanae apex beaten by red kuzuha? What a weird day

Not really surprising when you notice that his stream was a Mario Party + Totsumachi. And well, the people who answered were the other members of EdenGumi (Only Lain was not there)

>>12685215
Yeah i noticed it was totsu but only endengumi showed up
wonder how well they are with the other niji memebers. Now that i think about it, petra could have go there if she knew.

>>12683754
ironmouse is really missing out by not tapping more into the spanish market

>>12684918
I believe in you anon. One day you will get to manage some idol chuubas

>>12685344
not worth it

>>12684918
>i want
>gold-diggers
ill let you sit on that for a while.

Ayame has a lot of threads today in the catalogue.

Speaking of Totsumachi, have NijiEN done any?

What were their numbers?

>>12685638
>have NijiEN done any?
only on birthday streams

>>12685382
I want someone to pursue numbers with their power. I hate how Council has no ambition. I want them to make a lot of money. I want them on charts. I want them to get good viewership. I bothers me who they are. These threads are free of 'morals' and there is no reason to pretend that shameless numberfagging is taboo.

>>12685215
>Only Lain was not there
Kinda sad. I know she's a numberlet but let her participate.

>>12685215
EdenGumi unity is dead

>>12685638
Elira´s birthday stream 5.5k
Rosemi´s birthday stream 2.7k
Reimu´s birthday stream 3.2k
those are the only totsumachi I think

>>12685344
I know they are different plattaforms...but considering the worst peforming NijiEN rn is the spic one, I think Nimu just became the Gura of spics on twitch.

>>12685789
> Hololive
> "Be a whore! Pursue those numbers! Eat anything you can reach!"

> Nijisanji
> "Help each other out. Don't leave anyone behind. Be a family."

And they say Nijiniggers don't post in /#/.

>>12686164
Ironic considering Wave 3 has 3 Numberfags

>>12685942
>reimu is more popular than rosemi
rosebud kept on losing...

>>12686164
I never said Hololive shouldn't be family, I am just saying earn and hustle. Love your family but work for them.

Mio 10k get!

>>12686433
Whatever happened to that sub race Millie and Nina were having

prediction on Gura Animal crossing? 20k clear? also what is that baelz and kronii game?

>>12686646
>20k for animal crossing
lol no

>>12686646
sub 20K, game is pretty shit, especially as a stream game

>>12686433
It must be a grating existence. I don't think their numbers are bad in the grand scheme of things, I mean they are in the top percentile of vtubers, but I'm sure they want more.
>>12686845
It's actually a close race. Not as much of a mogging as people make it out to be. Hololive has a lot of members though and many Nijis don't stream much. Also that doesn't account for unique viewers.

>>12686646
14k. Just like her DMC stream.

> Eternal Return
I played it on steams. It's a Crafting Battle Royale from Korea. You just gather mats, craft and hide to climb the ranking.
Fun at first, but it gets stale pretty fast if you don't play with friends.

>>12686646
>>12686750
>>12686782
Normally, she'll be lucky to get 16k on this game.
But she does have the buff of being absent for a week so chumbuds who misses her might tune in.

So, the Korone game launch in some hours and that looks to be the next trend? We already have two streams scheduled for it (Okayu and Miko)

https://youtu.be/lK305MeAcno

https://youtu.be/WmuMU5u-LDo

Mio also said in her Asamio just now that she will play it in the next days.

Prediction on when Gura ill hit 4M?

>>12686957
>not as much of a mogging
Niji absolutely demolished Holo in October though?

>>12687042
Before Kizuna Ai hits 3m.

>>12687042
february

>>12687060
In what? Silver medals?

>>12687060
287,150,000 is bigger than 208,970,000 by 80 million.

>>12687060
>anon in charge of knowing how to read counters
Remedial class?

>>12687060
You should probably read it again.

>>12687060
your chink reps...

>>12687031
I bet everyone is going to play it, even the EN and ID girls

>>12687276
Dropped out to be a professional 4chan poster.

>>12687060
Your number reps retard…

>>12685789
You make a good point, but consider the following
-Omega is likely Japanese, or someone who's worked with Cover for a long time and so holds some of their values
-More than anything, valuing stability, unity and other collectivist ideals
-Likely rejected several candidates that were more talented than the current Council, but were unabashedly gold diggers/overly ambitious to the point that it could cause problems
There was almost no chance that someone with the mindset of 'I will wring every last goddamn penny I can out of my audience and maximize every single bit of numberfaggotry I can' would ever have made it past the interviews stage, because that sort of naked ambition would've been sniffed out and rejected immediately. It also very, very, very easily leads to drama.
I mean, Yes from a pure numberfag perspective I too would love someone who would go 1000% all in on trying to maximize every metric to the point that it would make Pekora blush, but that's very much not on 'brand' for Hololive, even if Council could do with just a little bit more ambition on the making of more superchat bucks.

>>12686957
This is JP only. Add their foreign branches and these numbers aren’t even vaguely close

>>12687060
Anon, as much as others have ragged on you for this, here's another (you) for being moon-rune illiterate AND number-blind.

>>12681272
It was 4.2K earlier

>>12687646
I am pushing back. I thought the same thing because I read the numbers 897 being bigger than 871 but I didn't notice the orders of magnitude.

>>12686971
She's been in collabs and other streams, so it's not like she's gone for an entire week.

>>12687700
Why do Nijiniggers always embarrass themselves?

>>12686957
JP vs JP

>>12687700
Ya done goof'd and need to read yer numbers more carefully.

> 7k waiting (1 minute before starting)
Yea, this is a 14k stream.

>>12686957
>Hololive has a lot of members though
Are you on drugs?
>and many Nijis don't stream much
There's a reason their monthly median keeps declining; more streams, low ccv
>Also that doesn't account for unique viewers
what?

>>12686646
I think it can reach 20k+ based on the current waiting room number

As a holofan who understands numbers well I feel that top 10 Nijisanji JP vs top 10 Hololive JP is the fairest comparisons.

>>12687060

>>12688071
Come on dude, we have the numbers and charts, that's not even fucking close. The only one on Niji who even stands close to Pekora is Kuzuha, and after that you have Toya with the rarity buff (which falls off a fucking cliff when he collabs/plays games instead of doing zatsudans). After that, NO ONE in Niji even breaks into the top 12? 15? combined Niji/JP.
Like c'mon dude.

>>12688071
Holo still wins lmao. Kuzuha is the only liver thats not shit in Niji. Heck, even he-ayame doesn’t deserve to be called that with his recent shit numbers

>>12688071
The only way to win is comparing kuzuha and holostars

>>12688071
nijikek, no holofans call themselves holofans here

>>12687473
I mean, Coco wasn't THAT bad

>>12688071
Who's top 10 of niji jp?
Kuzuha #1-#10?

>>12688510
Coco is kinda special in that she maximized interacting with her chat in various ways without it coming across as too crass, or at least that's the feeling I got.
One-of-a-kind, we'll probably never see someone like her ever again/in a long time in corpo vtubing.

Since Niji have a truck load of streamers and their ace streams 6+ hours every day, maybe daily/monthly hours watched live is a more 'competitive' metric to compare between Niji/Holo.
Do we have avg ccv data for Niji streams?

>>12688392
With his recent lower numbers and slight increase in number of streams we can no longer call him He-Ayame. Toya is now He-Shion.

>>12685789
>>12685895
Those other dudes were stalking his stream. It wasn't a planned collab.

>>12688734
Grabbed this from a few threads back, list of Median peak averages FOR OCTOBER
1. Kuzuha (26589)
2. Nijisanji Main (19122)
3. Kenmochi (15699)
4. Kanae (11525)
5. Lize (10859)
6. Fuwa (9411)
7. Mito (8545)
8. Ange (8479)
9. Yashiro (8013)
10. Ibrahim (7016)

In comparison, the top 10 Holos
1. Pekora (27098)
2. Gura (22336)
3. Miko (19231)
4. Subaru (17496)
5. Aqua (16257)
6. Rushia (15418)
7. Shion (14331)
8. Suisei (13060)
9. Korone (12981)
10. Kanata (12828)

Listed without further comment

>>12682370
>why are cumbuds like this
>do chumkeks really
>Shrimp worst fanbase
shitspoting aside, I wasn't there for the shitstorm. Please share screenshots.

>SEAnig woke up
>Thread collective IQ went down
>>12688071
I know this is bait but if you want fair it's better just to separate them it reduces the shitflinging at the very least

>>12689595
Including the main channel in these rankings always feels weird. I always have to do a double take and see who is surging up the ranks. It would be like including Hololive’s main channel in view rankings.

>>12683068
>Yeah... She's mega horny and she likes retweeting art of her avatar getting boned.
Thanks for this crucial information anon might follow her later

>>12689595
>only has 3 niji female on the top 10
Manji-

Gura almost getting 20k with AC.
I kneeeeeeel

Gura slowly climbing...c'mon Gura, at least start the month with a 20k Peak...even if it is just with Animal Crossing DLC.
>>12690132
...-sanji

>>12690111
she's a frog though

>>12689595

Toko not in the Niji top 10, oof. Still, Sanbaka continues to be really important for them. Even more considering that Mito is not even close to her peak from years ago..

>>12689595
Kanata would legit be the top female Chuuba in Nijisanji with her numbers. Also, is it just me or has goritenshi started to step into the leadership vacuum that Coco left in Gen 4?

Honest question:

With the current rate of growth and overall viewership of Council when directly compared with Myth's first months, and in comparison to past gens for JP, when would we reasonably begin to expect a potential EN gen 3?

>>12689595
So basically, Gura fucking mogged. Know your place memeshart

>>12690473
15 months.

>>12690473
Cover is conservative and JP6 and ID3 seem like they would come first. I wouldn’t expect it before q3 of next year

>>12690473
2023

>>12690512
God I hate nijiniggers so fucking much

>>12690215
>almost 20k
>not even 20k yet
Weak. Kneel for actual numbers.

>>12690584
It's not a nijinigger, the dude is anti-gura Schizo and takes every chance he gets to call gura -shart.
I really don't know what she did to him, did she piss in his cheerios? Who knows.

Ok so I was curious about the vod views, not the livestream numbers. Because I think it can be used as a proxy for the channel popularity.

So I got graphs of all the vod views of very single english channel, and then took averages of the latest 50 videos (15 for the recently-debuted channels). These are dumb averages, they don't remove superchat readings, or off-streams or membership vods. It's just a dumb average. But I think they will correlate strongly with the general popularity of the channel.

Pic related is the result.
We have two big outliers here. Gura, and Selen. They are both dragging up the average of their group drastically.

But them aside, we can say that in general, hololive is getting.....about 8 times the vod views as nijisanji. Somewhere around there.

>>12690707
Probably the same schizo banned from multiple vtuber subreddits for the same behavior lol.

>>12690473
July 2022

>>12690744
One thing I noticed is the views on certain hololive channels seem very inconsistent. They will have one big stream where all their millions of subs tune in, and that drives a huge viewership. But most of their streams are much lower. So this is a measurement of the relative standard deviation. It's taken at the same interval as the means. 50 for the older channels, 15 for the more recent channels.

This is an indicator of how much a channel might be underperforming their potential. How many people know about them, but never usually tune in except for the big moments. This number will also be higher for channels in decline, such as Reimu and Enna, who are falling off from their debut high right now.

A relative deviation is the percentage that a distribution deviates in proportion to the mean. It's basically a standardized measure of the width of your distribution in relative terms.

>>12690744
Damn, Ethyria have half as much as the other 2 Niji waves.

>>12690744
Gura distorts that graph so much Selen doesn’t actually look that impressive. She’s just a massive outlier.

>>12690744
Side by Side with HoloEN makes them look like real midgets lmao

>>12690989
How could she be impressive if she can't even beat Sana (the lowest-performing HoloEN)

>>12690936
I also have graphs for everyone.
Rolling averages, but also just normal graphs

>>12690744
HoloID tier lmao

>>12691118
Oh and one more note. This is not done by "day" but rather by "video".
The units on the bottom are # of videos published.

These is "dumb data", it's not taking into account things that lower viewership, like watchalongs and superchat streams and scuffed streams.....etc. It's just getting you a general idea of the state of the channel without being too specific

>>12690707
>Anti-Gura schizo
I'm membered to her for 13 months anon-chama, I must be retarded to pay her for 13 months straights just to be an anti

I'm a number faggot first and foremost, before I am a Gura fan, and I'm going to take every chance I get to shit on Gura's subs and you retards that jack off to it. Gura contributes NOTHING to Hololive outside of her subs - and her subs don't even translate to CCV or Super for herself or other members of the Holo community. Outside of her over inflated subs (which she only got because she was at the right place at the right time) she's really just an average middle of the pack Vtuber

>>12690744
HoloEN vs NijiEN gap is too much.... can you make NijiEN vs HoloID?

>>12691287
proof next thread?

>>12691287
>I must be retarded
This is your life man?

>>12690942
Yeah but look, the holocouncil is also about 1/2 the holomyth

So something happened between the debut of Obsydia, and the debut of holocouncil, that changed the algorithm so these new waves are getting about 1/2 the exposure that the old waves got

>>12690936
Council fans are very stable and seem loyal.

>>12691287
You'd be surprised at how autistic people are in terms of hating someone. You being a member doesn't change that. After all, love and hate are just two sides of the same retarded coin.

>>12691444
>Yeah but look, the holocouncil is also about 1/2 the holomyth
Without Gura, this isn't really true. Look at how every Council member save Sana is averaging higher than Kiara, and three of them are averaging above IRyS as well. Both Bae and Mumei are around par with Ina, and Kronii only falls below Gura and Mori.

>>12691444
No songs, and also gura is a monster

>>12690473
If it will be as bad as Council, then never. All of them suck, they had a potential to reach Gura’s numbers but they failed.

>>12691287
The only sensible thing in your post is that Gura's subs are a result of her being in the right place at the right time. Outside of that...schizo. Definitely schizo, at least anti-(Gura's representation in #)schizo, but gods that's a mouthful.

>>12691605
Eh this is catching the end of Kiara’s Tales of Arise arc which was numbers poison, she’s coming back to her baseline lately. Limitations of a crude data analysis

>>12691747
The point being, Council is (broadly speaking) pulling in very similar numbers to the mid-tier of Myth. The outliers for both gens are Gura, Mori, and Kronii, and Gura and Mori are significantly more extreme outliers in that regard than Kronii is.

Meanwhile, not a single member of Ethyria appears to be averaging above a single member of either Lazulight or Obydia.

>>12682792
Isn't /pol/ lowkey on Hololive's side due to the Taiwan thing? I thought /pol/ has a hate boner against China?

>>12691905
Would be funny if wave 4 is what leads to NijiEN turning into Mansanji as well.
I don't think it will but just something I thought about.

>>12691605
Yeah I guess you're right about that. But their average is still higher.

Also look at how selen, the top performing niji, is about 1/2 the viewership of Sana, the lowest performing hololiver. In general niji is about 1/8th the views of hololive. I don't have data on the live viewers, but this seems about right for the live viewers as well. Nijisanji gets around 1k - 2k, and hololive generally gets from 8k - 15k or so. So hololive is about 8x the live viewers of nijisanji as well. Although they have these super high peaks that nijisanji just doesn't have. Like they'll get streams with 60k viewers, the nijisanji live viewers don't have peaks like that....ever.

This is underperforming their 4chan popularity, because the niji thread is about 1/3 the speed of the hololive thread, and even surpasses them pretty regularly. So the nijis have a much higher proportion of 4channers, less exposure to the general public. It probably means their advertisement is just not as good. Or they need to do more outreach or something.

>20K with animal crossing
I kneel.

>>12692287
>Back to 19k almost immediately

>>12692287
DLC.
Skyrim vr probably too but if she doesn't end early because motion sickness

>>12692164
>It probably means their advertisement is just not as good. Or they need to do more outreach or something.
I don't think this is the case. The overwhelming strength of Hololive in the west, to this point, has been centered around its early successes in the clipping scene and how that's created a robust, vibrant clipping community for Hololive that simply does not exist for Nijisanji, which just about everybody has spoken to death about. Pair that with the once-in-a-lifetime timing of the debut of Myth at a point culturally and socially where it could see the explosive growth it did, and you're never going to be able to attribute it to marketing or advertising when the success of Hololive EN (and "failure" of Nijisanji EN in comparison) has been entirely grassroots at its core.

Beyond that, the gap that currently exists only makes it more difficult to get people invested as one of the core strengths of corporate chuubas is the fact that they create a somewhat insular environment where they boost one another through regular interaction and collabs. If you're already a regular casual viewer of Gura and, say, watch Bae for the first time when she has the POV stream for Gura for the sports festival. you're regularly being exposed to and becoming invested in other streamers within the company. I would be more likely, as a casual viewer, to begin watching another streamer who regularly interacts with the one I currently watch than to watch a streamer I'm otherwise completely unfamiliar with interacting with other streamers I'm unfamiliar with.

Which, I know all of that is extremely basic and obvious information, but it still bears repeating.

>>12692389
oh nyo

>>12690744
Jesas is this like comparing holojp against holostars? exposing midget like this.. Beautiful

>>12692550
It's not just the clipping community. The fan animators are a big boost as well, especially since those are more likely to become viral and popular outside the vtuber ecosystem.

Niji just can't compete with that kind of passion.

>>12692389
You dare doubt the power of cunny?

>>12692550
What NijiEN really needs is to somehow get a collab with HoloEN.

Tweets just aren't the exposure you're looking for if you want the YT audience.

https://youtu.be/_AQ2lRU4Vis
rate watchmojo numberfagging best vtuber moments

>>12692743
Hololive got that first move advantage that Nijisanji JP had.

>>12692839
>What NijiEN really needs is to somehow get a collab with HoloEN.
And now you understand exactly why Cover management has been actively blocking Kiara from doing this despite the fact that it's clear she wants to.

It's not a bad business decision whatsoever. If I were Cover, I'd gladly take a small amount of flak from one of my talents for the opportunity to officially kill my largest competitor's overseas venture in the cradle.

>>12689595
few EN medians are lower here. e.g. Ame should be 7k median

>>12692880
Hololive managed to overturn NijiJP's first mover advantage.

It can't just be first mover advantage alone. There must be something that can inspire the kind of passion that fans have in Hololive that isn't quite there with Niji.

JP also does fan animations too. See

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXbtH-LX74-P1YVaK9NgWVQ/featured

Does Niji have any equivalent to this? Even Hologra has amazing views.

>Selen will do an apex on twitch this weekend
that will be fun to number fag, she plans to do one stream weekly.

>>12693062
>finally admits losing on YT and start transitioning to twitch
Respect

>>12693051
>There must be something that can inspire the kind of passion that fans have in Hololive that isn't quite there with Niji.
Very simply put, the Nijisanji approach of putting more talents into the market results in less individual focus and support for all save their top talents.

>>12693062
As always, Selen is the smartest in NijiEN.

>>12693062
*this monday i meant

>>12693062
That sounds really sound. EN apex community is more on Twitch than YT.

>>12693062
oh boy can't wait for her to get a big raid that skews her peak followed by endless shitposting about her insane numbers

>>12693138
Inb4 someone will argue on why companies with less members than Holo doesn't have the same kind of support

>>12692839
>a collab with HoloEN
One collab would not mean anything. Say Kiara collabs with Pomu, sure Pomu maybe gets 1-2k new subs from that and a hundred new viewers on her next stream, but it wouldnt move the needle in any real way. NijiEN would probably have to do like a month full of collabs with holoEN for it to really matter. A single collab wouldnt do anything at all

>>12693062
>>12693179
Twitch CCV vs. Youtube CCV alone will make any attempt at numberfagging a complete shitshow.

>>12693051
In Hololive, every talent matters and each will get their chance to shine.
Nijisanji has so many members that this is impossible.
Hologra basically scratches that itch of "I just want something random and fun", the Nijisanji one takes itself too seriously sometimes.

>>12693011
her median would be 5949 if its 21 streams but she had 22 streams.

sorted by lowest to highest

2,000
3,236
3,776
4,222
4,245
4,943
5,096
5,213
5,322
5,907
5,949 <- median if 21 streams
----------------------------------------------
8,058
8,192
8,907
9,085
9,087
9,755
11,566
11,911
14,136
15,364
15,841

22 streams total. median should be between 5,949 and 8,058

>>12693062
if she moves her apex to twitch she will kil lher youtube channel reach and gain little on twitch.

i recall one indie talking about it, the ogre guy, about how he streamed on twitch but it costed like 30% of his youtube interactions.

>>12693196
Depends on the collab.

A Kiara and Pomu collab probably wouldn't boost Pomu that much since Kiara gets low numbers comparatively and a lot of their audience overlap already.

But a Gura collab that's kino and gets memed to hell and back has a very real chance of inclining one of the NijiEN girls.

>>12690468
She is not a leader. Also gen 4 really doesn't really feel like a unity gen. Coco-kanata-sheep was strong but you have towa-luna getting left out.

>>12671989
gay

>>12693258
She seems to be smart, though. She is just streaming on Twitch once a week, so it shouldn’t be that different from Miko’s monthly watchalongs (slightly more frequently). As long as she doesn’t stream APEX exclusively on Twitch, it should be fine (I think?)

>>12693272
yeah I guess that is true. A Gura collab that gets a lot of clips and maybe some fan animations would change things for the collabee a ton

>>12693258
That Ogre guy has some interesting perspectives, I saw the one where he said you have to impress someone 3 times in a row to really get them to give you a chance.
>>12693272
It wouldn't do much because Kiara already told her fans to watch Pomu multiple times.

>>12692839
No way in hell. Management wouldn't allow it and if it ever happen.
Tribalists will go ballistic and make sure Management and Kiara regret collabing with leeches.
Ever wonder why Mori stopped collabing with E-Celebs?

>>12693501
Mori is collabing with indies outside of Hololive just fine.

TrashTaste burned their own bridges with Hololive.

>>12693336
It's fine tho
Towa is friends with FPS streamers and have PekoTowaBotan
Luna have ChocoLunaShuba

>>12693244
nice metric medianfags

>>12693624
Without Coco, Kanata somehow feels isolated.

Does she at least regularly collab with Watame?

>>12691287
Usually the most dedicated antis are ones who used to love the chuuba you know, having access to members content so you can shit on her also counts. Also you can just look at chinks to see those kinds of dedicated antis in action.

>>12693699
Kanata is closer to Towa than Watame. Watame is close with Fubuki, Flare, and Polka. Luna is close to Subaru, Choco, and Botan. Towa is close with gen 5.

>>12693051
I think that Niji viewers only watch one main Niji and either don't have second and third choice or their second and third choice are from other companies like Hololive. So if their main choice doesn't stream, they either watch nothing or watch other companies vtubers and there is a chance that they will convert another vtuber into their main choice.

Holo viewers on the other side usually have Holo as their second and third choice. At worst, if they change their main vtuber choice, it will still be a Holo.

Gura Poll:
~1 minute, nearly 7k votes, 19.8k viewers
Would've been longer, but Gura cut it short.

>>12693258
>>12693429
Who is this ogre guy?

>>12693179
>>12693197
She'll disable raid, RIGHT?

>>12693941
https://www.youtube.com/c/RandonNeuring/videos
This guy

>>12693834
not really. I've seen alot of nijifags with multiple emojis on Twitter. Pics with multiple niji memberships aswell. A clique in Nijisanji exists too so a Kuzuha main has Kanae/Ibrahim/Dokuhonsha as their 2nd,3rd,4th choice.

>>12693970
Why would she?

>>12693179
I can see it now. Ironmouse raids her and she picks up 10k viewers for like 5 minutes, lol.

>>12694147
> Manjisanji

>>12693051
Do puchisanji count?

>>12693573
>Mori is collabing with indies outside of Hololive just fine.
To be fair, Cover fully understands that this form of networking is exactly how you scout and potentially poach future talent once you've established a few gens in a given branch.

>>12692873
I don't want to give WatchMojo a view - How many in the Top 10 are Holo clips? Have a breakdown for each company/indie?

>>12694334
Ironmouse takes mondays off. Streaming at 10pm pt I don't know who could raid her.

>>12693834
Yeah, the only Holo I won't watch is Ayame.

>>12694378
Sure.That's the official one right? Let's compare it to Hologra. What's their views?

What about fan animations for Niji though?

>>12694394
Next round of auditions will be interesting to see which small corpo vtubers get picked up by Hololive if any.

>>12693573
Mori collabs with indies because those indies son't have the resources to compete with Hololive. You lose nothing by collabing with them and you gain good will with the indie community and the vtuber fanbase by doing it. Nijisanji absolutely has the resources to compete with Hololive. You stand to lose a lot giving them free exposure.

Gura is ending, expect Mori's number to go up

>>12694435
maybe vei?

>>12687473
Thinking they do that kind of in-depth psychological profiling during the interviews rather just most people who choose to making a living streaming on the internet are pretty lazy in the first place.

>>12694512
I genuinely wonder if there would ever be the potential for a NijiEN talent to jump to HoloEN if the current trends in channel growth/viewership continue up to a gen 3 audition announcement. Less out of wanting to see that to happen and more out of actual curiosity.

>>12694471

>>12694512
I think Hololive likes to pick up some promising 2views just so that the indie and small corpo vtuber scene isn't completely bitter towards them.

Also, the former 2views might turn out to be the hardest workers. See Baelz.

>>12694150
If she uses default streamlabs setting she could get raided by literal who with 1 viewer for funny maymay notification

who is >schalke of vtubing?

Hime Hajime streaming for VShojo for the first time in over a month
1.5k watching just now but she forgot to tweet she was starting, she also forgot about daylight savings and showed up an hour early so it'll probably go up

>>12694623
Rosemi will, she has done it before and will do it again in holoEN 4

>>12694429
There are four Holo, three Vshojo, two Niji and Pikamee at number ome

>>12694660
I recalled mori said that she hesitated collabing with indies cuz it can affect their audition results if they decides to apply to hololive.

>>12694755
I'm assuming Pika's is kill da ho?

>>12694587
Unlikely. 10pt is 6am for vei. Nyanners might stream til then but would probably raid a japanese cat cafe over someone she's never talked to.

>>12694623
They won't unless they desperately need money or want to quit their jobs like Pomu I guess.

Even if they don't earn figures as big as Holos, $500 per day just for streaming 2-3 hours is good

>>12694776
Mind elaborating on that a bit?

>>12694731
Nah, don't think so. She already lost some goodwill by leaving her former company the way she did.

Pomu has a better chance of getting into HoloEN. Might actually make Kiara happier.

>>12694703
Now that'd be funny but it's easy enough to set a raid minimum. I'm sure someone from niji will remind her. Probably.

>>12690473
Year and a half maybe. Maybe sooner if one the existing girls (Sana?) graduate or a few of them start streaming very sporadically.

>>12694731
Yeah but why would Cover would even want Rosemi lol. Selen would honestly be a great pick, beyond her being the best number wise there's no one in EN who's as good and dedicated a gamer as she is, especially in Apex which allows her to collab with Towa and the likes as well.

>>12694783
It's her jump king

>>12694712
>Schalke
.Live

>>12694943
>>12694863
Selen or Pomu has the best chance of getting into Holo from Niji.

Though I don't think Selen will make the jump, since she said she wants to make NijiEN as a whole grow..

>>12694832
idk she's asked about it and she just said that i think early this year? back then the rrat is pointing to milky trying to apply in the 2nd gen auditions.

>>12694832
NTA but basically she talked about holding off collabing with Milky Queen until Vsinger and EN2 were chosen. This might have been in a members stream

>>12695103
It was in a members only stream. It was one of the few that never got made free iirc.

>>12695075
>>12695103
Huh, interesting. I guess she wasn't specifically concerned about WHAT the specific effect of her doing a collab would be, more that it would have some kind of effect period? That she didn't want to be the reason that an indie friend either did or didn't get in through the audition process?

Or was there an actual specific concern she had? I'd struggle to think of what it would be if there was one.

>>12694863
Can't imagine the shitshow from NijiEN to HoloEN.

>>12695298
Board would fucking be a mess for weeks, filled with even more bait, even more allegations of black company, etc etc etc etc.

>>12695294
I don't think she elaborated further but the prevalent opinion at that time was OPSEC if they collabed and Milky got in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R-mDnwiQI4
Brand new fan animation for Council.
Same guy did that Shaggy/Kronii one.

>>12694755
>Pikamee at #1
Huh. Based.
Probably chose Pikamee to make sure there won't be a shit show in the comments section?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kGVDYAKcGc
Winner for tomorrow?
Huge announcement, 3D live.

>>12690744
>>12690936
I wanna compare stream times also. i will do it in a moment

On other news. Guerrila 3D LIVE with an anoucnemnt for Aqua

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kGVDYAKcGc
Such a short notice i dont expect a lot of numbers probably 30k

>>12695502
>>12695505
That's a rather guerilla 3DLive in place of her usual night singing stream.

>>12695502
>>12695505
even if its a short anoucne of a strem
it have the word ANOUNCEMENT brings people so maybe number 1 for tomorrow.
Anything from niji saide?

>>12694731
Rosemi is hard to understand between her semi-ESLness and speech impediment. I would think Cover would get a clue between Kiara and Sana being the last of their gens and hire someone who doesn't filter people on their voice alone. Also she's just not that impressive as a streamer and hasn't shown much in the 3 chances she's got so far.

>>12695505
>>12695502
bets?

>>12695505
Oh no i'm worried. She's gonna graduate, isn't she? She's not in a good mental state this past few weeks. hope i'm just being a schizo though.

>>12695294
Maybe Mori's self-conscious of it potentially looking bad on her showing favoritism if Milky made it.

>>12695842
>that huge as logo and smile
no way is anything about graduation

>>12695743
50k

>>12692873
>maybe Gura will roast us again
based shark

>>12695995
>>12695743
It has guests. Depending on who the guests are , its anywhere from 55k - 80k.

>>12695958
There's no smile.

>>12695743
Guaranteed 40k (if she has unusual guest then guaranteed 50k)
>>12695842
Her Birthday is on December 1. She even has it on her twitter name

>>12696040
Subaru, Okayu, Shion, Marine and Mio are the most likely

>>12695958
Hololive gamers gen 2

>>12695743
Im gonna say its gonna be her confirming the gen 2 concert has been greenlit.

>>12679366
Retard.

>>12695958
What smile?

>>12695294
Milky has a very distinct way of speaking. If she collabed with Mori then joined Hololive as a different character a few months later as the Vsinger it would be sort of obvious. Better to wait and just see how that played out. Once IRyS got the spot it was fine. I think if they do another Vsinger it doesn't really hurt Milky's chances Mori was just being extra cautious.

Gura was just talking about her sports festival experiences during a super chat reading. Gura is strong as fuck but she isn't very good at min/maxing. She should have set up a sports fest zatsu as a separate stream where she talks about the festival. That would have brought big numbers.

talking about events
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1457543398202638338

>>12696800
Gura hates big numbers.

>>12696800
It's almost as if you all care more about numbers than the talents do or something

>>12696828
What will they be playing?

>>12695949
She should learn more from Ina, I really wished Milky made it in as she sings really well and is a fun experienced streamer too. I never had any problems with Mori but damn now I realize what people mean when they say chemistry just from that one off collab alone.

>>12696828
CAN THIS GET 10K??

>>12696789
Milky is never getting into Hololive.

>>12696828
8k max.

>>12696828
Would be funny if Gura does a karaoke or they do some big collab opposite of this. There's already a non-zero chance of that happening purely by coincidence since it's at 9 PM EST.