/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

The time when ayame used to stream a lot

>>12901160
crab

In one way or another, people like (you) obsess over numbers too much. That's what went wrong.

>>12901160
Holo elEn is a mistake

>>12901160
they're all the same. i watched coco from debut to graduation, several others, and not much changed during the time ive watched

>>12901160
Chat is too big and moves too fast.

>>12901160
Holo ID is a mistake

>>12901436
Didn't HoloCN come out before ID around this time?

>>12901385
Yeah it's scary

>>12901160
I distinctly remember kino moments like suiseis road to 100k, nowadays everything is just so bland, I barely even watch holos anymore.

Garage band syndrome. You don't want them to succeed so that you can enjoy them for yourselves like they personally belong to you, while ignoring what they want for themselves. If they don't succeed or show visible improvement, they don't have much reason to stick around because you want to contain them in a box of restrictions called SOUL. You are under a severe delusion that they want to be in the same place for years and years for just you and your ilk. The irony of this mindset is that they leave the scene sooner, instead of staying for you because they can find another hobby that pays more.

>>12901160
You have changed OP, why did you change?

My oshi didn’t exist yet so there wasn’t enough soul actually

>>12901160
>Coco
Yikes!

>>12901251
True. But I still miss underdog era hololive. The golden era.

>>12901385
For anyone disagreeing with OP this is absolutely key, most people here weren't watching when it was actually possible for the holos to interact with chat and that's a huge loss, while I still mostly watch Hololive because that's where most of my favourite streamers are, going between them and an indie that can actually read their chat is like night and day

>>12901160
EOPs

>>12901160
>Including yonkisei

>>12901160
They all feel overworked and burned out.

>>12901753
Or just watch ID

>>12901160
When Im Scatman is the only thing that brought faggots to this shithole. Now it's OtakMori shit clips and Kronii's boobhole.

>>12901160
>Excluding Nene
>Souless and empty?
Kys

>>12901160
EN/ID were a mistake

>when noel had the biggest sub count in gen 3
let's go back bros...

>>12901553
this.

>>12901160
if they didn't grow people would call them a failure, what do people really want?

>>12901255
ywnbj

>>12901553
This is the only post ITT that is worth reading

Nostalgiafags are such whiney little cunts

>>12902798
You will never be an EFL. Shame.

>>12901160
>I liked hololive before it was cool.
Ok hipster fag go watch Holostars, Nijisanji or another vtuber company.
Better yet go watch some 2view faggot

>>12903721
Why can't you watch all of them, faggot?

>>12901160
>What went wrong?
Holocaust. After that they become more professional, but also restrict too much content.

>>12901160
Jp branch Milestone guerrilla streams used to be kino until Gura & friends showed up and ruined everything.

>>12901160
The soul died when holo's became greedy for numbers

>>12901160
Larping Nijis: The Thread

>>12901160
how did noel get so popular

>>12905139
Holocaust is just the thickest nail in the coffin, there are many other isolated events you could point to, but ultimately they're all a consequence of hololive becoming bigger and more incompatible with the amount of freedom that characterized their early days.

Remember when Shion and Matsuri used to interact a lot and show up in each other's chats? Remember when they were happy, what went so wrong

>>12901553
It is, alas, the nature of all entertainment. The only thing you can do if you really support them is to do your best to stop blatant leeches as best you can.

>>12901553
name one band who made their best work after selling out/becoming popular

>>12902191
Only because of the obnoxious leeches that come with them

>>12901160
>What went wrong?
Coco.
Even with her gone, her stench remains.

>>12901160
You're nostalgic to last year when you watched them during the pandemic.

They've erected golden walls from the rest of the community not interacting enough with the outside. Sure there is the old guard that does so here and there, but mostly they like to keep everything self contained. They'd rather be a Nintendo or a Disney of the industry.

>>12905139
Do you have clips that show how different it was before the holocaust?

>>12901160
>intern
It's always some dumbass ESL spouting this shit. We get it, you're a hipster so now that they're popular you gotta come up with some bullshit excuse not to like them anymore.

>>12901160
Remove Gen4

>>12902556
Usada UNDERDOG pekoram....

>>12901160
With Gen4? No! Gen 4 Coco birthed EN and not only that, it also brought Taiwan yab.
Calamity Hololive Gen, the destroyer of the worlds.

>>12915175
to be fair if youre as big as disney, by default youre interacting outside a lot just because of how big and spread out the subsidiary are

>>12901160
The half year or so starting with gen 4 debuts and ending with the great permissions drama and mass removal of archives was the most exciting time to watch Hololive by far.

>>12901815
Honestly I sometimes wonder why they don't just go on a travel together, I mean a company vacations where all streams and events are cancelled so they can just relax for a few days. Korone having health issues and Nene starting to feeling bad should be a clear red flag

>>12901160
>intern

>>12901160
>those sub counts
Damn, so it really was all thanks to the pandemic.

>>12903571
Says the person who couldn't type HoloEN without a typo. Kek.

>>12901160
aqua used to bully pekora because she was bigger, oh... how the tables have turned.

>>12901160
Law of diminished returns
You just grew tired of it

>>12917615
Diminishing*

>>12917406
a couple clips went viral and introduced millions of people to content they previously didnt know existed
getting your foot in the door is 3/4 of the battle

Name 3 most epic moments of Hololive and their date.

>HoloEN puts together a VR chibi 3D collab without any corporate support multiple times
>"Hololive used to have soul"
state of this board

>>12917820
This, the only thing who someone could miss is the chat speed, majority of talents remained being the same.

>>12917820
EN doesn't have soul by default.

>>12914401
Nirvana
He hated every minute of the limelight but they made great music with their contract.

>>12901436
they're all great except Ollie

>>12917919
They have also all become way more busy with off-stream work. To the point of canceling streams over it and not being able to collab due to the schedule conflicts.
I think this is a major one honestly. They each used to collab like twice a week in ADDITION to random minecraft meets. It seems like most of them collab once a month now.

What exactly changed for bad in 2 years? Give at least one example how something is worse?

I'm 2 years in this shit and I do not see any real difference. The only thing that really changed is me. I'm not excited about Hololive at all and I'm not watching them 5 hours a day like back in the days, I don't give a shit about collabs anymore. But it has absolutely nothing to do with their popularity and numbers. Looks like you just experience a nostalgia for the first time in your life, well congratulations, this will happen with many other things that you love and there are nothing wrong with it.

>>12914401
selling out and becoming popular are two different things
Hololive was doing doing what they always were, other countries just found them at a later date

>>12918056
Who will exploit this opportunity to capture the spirit of the early days of hololive and the viewers who yearn for it?

>>12918056
>They each used to collab like twice a week in ADDITION to random minecraft meets. It seems like most of them collab once a month now.
I'm not sure I've noticed a decline in collabs across Hololive as a whole. Are you sure it's not just the specific VTubers you watch making that decision?

>>12918575
no, many of them have clearly stated that schedules have been getting in the way. pick a channel and show me one that's had 5-8 collabs this month.

>>12901553
eleventh post best post

>>12901753
That is the main reason I switched to Niji and Wactor streams.

>>12914401
The Beatles

>>12901385
>>12901490
>>12901753
I can sometimes get someone to laugh at a stupid comment. Now Kiara's chat moves so fast I can't even get an eye roll. Even Coco used to give a chuckle, or with Gura I would make some silly comment.

The worst part about chat is that there are like 50 people all repeating the same fucking shit like drones. Like 50 people in Kiara's stream this morning and they would parrot the same information.
>>12901815
This too. Some of these girls are working constantly and I have to agree with Coco, there is a lack of originality now. They can't really be all that spontaneous. The other issue is now there are so many girls I can't watch their clips anymore. I used to keep up with all of them. Now to even get a fraction of that I need a solid 3 hours. Its just not the same.

EN, now seethe

>>12918776
A lot of em have, but it's still on a case by case basis. Also, I was contesting the claim of once a month, not 5-8. That's a much more reasonable assertion. Subaru had 4 collabs last month for example, Rushia had 3.

You can argue whether it's gotten better or worse but it's fucking bizarre to see people in here pretending things haven't changed at all beyond just the number of people watching.

>>12918776
gura had like five collabs in five days.

>>12919123
yeah, i said most of them collab once a month, AS OPPOSED TO TWICE A WEEK. it's a sharp decline. they all mention being busy with lessons, meetings, and recording CONSTANTLY.

>>12919970
lol EN doesn't, they literally have nothing to do BUT stream. that's my fault for not specifying, but JP branch constantly talks about having to go for lessons, or record at the studio, or meet with managers in the office. if you follow any of them closely you'd see they pretty much work a full time job on top of streaming. lots of event planning, marketing meetings, merchandising meetings, singing and dance lessons, recording songs, and working with the tech team to get their 2D and 3D assets fixed.

>>12901160
I feel like before they had 3D their 2D skits were a lot funnier and had so much more effort put into them. It didn't help that Coco organized most of them.

It was fun watching them smash records in spite of the fact that they had everything going against them.
That said, their management can be far too strict sometimes, but I guess that’s a consequence of the Holocaust, getting too big, or not knowing how to treat their now golden goose.

>>12922782
>That said, their management can be far too strict sometimes, but I guess that’s a consequence of the Holocaust, getting too big, or not knowing how to treat their now golden goose.
Probably a mix of all 3, combined with the Taiwan incident and behind the scenes issues like Aloe's haraasment and Mel's stalker.

>>12901553
Someone had to say it

>>12901553
"bu-bu-bu-but I want this 2 view to respond to me and quit after 3 months, that's a better experience than watching someone who makes my day better actually succeed in life"

>>12917558
The Nijisanji-killer...

>>12901753
The only people who want them to interact with chat are groomers. Stop giving a shit, give them a superchat if you want them to read it.

>>12901553
Right on the spot

>>12918776
Towa's done 10 collabs in the last month.

>>12918181
Admittedly, it's possible my memory has become selective (kind of like how people only remember the 'good' 80's music and forget all of the shit that decade churned out), but Hololive before they became shackled by numbers were all kind of doing their own thing to varying degrees of success but an overall much more interesting product.

The Coco/Watame Marie Antoinette moment just wouldn't happen anymore. Off-collabs are at an all-time low despite Japan having been out of a SoE for a while, as are things like group karaoke. Everyone plays the same games at the same time (atm everyone is taking turns reacting to the Korone cameo in Tsugunohi, but before that was the HoloEN MC Server Tour, and before that it was one of those shitty forever-alpha horror games). Collabs in general feel like they've been exhausted, and this is especially true for Myth/Council, who are basically forced to hang out amongst each other whilst other branches and companies freely interact. Team competitions have been rigged to end in a draw three times in the last year or so, which makes even their events boring.

Everything generally just feels so much more sterilised and 'synthetic fun' that it's difficult to watch. Their insular nature has caused me to get bored and burned out, which isn't something they did until they got very popular. None of their members are bad at all, but the general vibe of the company is just not the same.

>>12918194
>Hololive was doing what they always were
Hololive stopped the erolive stuff and started limiting collabs with men around the same time they started gaining popularity in the West

>>12901160
Wait, so before 4th Gen?

I have been watching the Holos for like 16 months already and I think it's objective to say that now they seem way way busier with things outside streaming and promotions.
I'm seeing less streams, shorter streams and more shilling streams than before. In terms of content it wasn't really good at first but now, specially with the permissions apocalypse, it's kinda lacking.
I check out holodex for the JP prime time every day and there are some of them that I end up thinking "meh, nothing interesting today" or "oh for fuck sake, they're all playing kusoge FOTM again"
They have burnt out of different streaming content too. I don't mean they're not entertaining anymore or that they don't play/do interesting things sometimes but have to recognize that for 32 members in JP there's not a lot to look forward to if you aren't an idolfag, since some Holos think of streaming as a temporary step toward their actual career.
The EN side is a bit better with more range of games and fresher soulful ideas to do but not a lot of more.

>>12918194
Hololive is absolutely not doing what they always were, they changed a lot. Be it game choice, stream time, collabs, or the general athmosphere amongst the popular members.
Or maybe I'm just a disgruntled retard and imagining things

Should have stopped hiring after Gamers.