/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/watcher_ranking/
>https://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/
>https://vtuber-post.com/ranking/
>https://vtuberranking.com/ranking
>https://vchama.xyz/
>https://www.vtuber-ct.net/en
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBRUIS696ooFVZ-gMpCFIoA
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrK21zSXmgueGII65cyCHcA

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://twitter.com/holo_analytics
>https://twitter.com/holo_analyticsV
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC94Mhi_4KZNX7bzHaoBnRTw

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber
>https://twitter.com/2434livemoment
>https://twitter.com/2434fanart
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBXnBOvSLzjPUtwZBzs6PlQ
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQIkEQvr0pSUSJPLbiivsvA

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

>>13158168
kek nice one OP

>>13158168
Top fucking kek.

>>13158168
Based OP

Ah yes why watch Holosluts when you can watch the incredibly talented Yumenographia Hololive is doomed

-Nijinigger

This is a rough logo for the divegrass team that we were discussing yesterday ahead of VTL2. Should we add something before I clean it up and do it propperly?

>>13158285
Not bad, not bad.
I like it.

>>13158285
Good enough is good enough, run with this one

>>13158285
Nice logo

Seems like Animal Crossing will be FOTM for Holo

>>13158556
Not the first time too, and it provided lots of funny moments back in the days, including cross company
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa5OmvCQ5Sg

>>13158602
But so far they're mostly solo streams
We don't have much large collab in AC anymore …

Does Niji do the whole fan submission of remixes like Holo is doing right now?

Fandead are an impressively dedicated bunch

>>13158665
I don’t think they can. Nijisanji doesn’t own the songs, the record labels do.

>>13158285
Nice.
so what are we doing for our goalhorn and theme song?

>>13158715
theme song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q24VAd9_oL4

chant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh3OVKsgXH4

can't really find a decent enough numbers related goal song

>>13158285
Make it silver

>>13158699
Wait, really? That can't be right. You're telling me that they don't own ANY of their songs? Not even fucking VtL?

I have a theory that I want to test, if you don't mind participating

https://poal.me/7w3plo

If you dislike them all just choose the one you dislike less.

>>13158900
Yeah let one contribution be from the numbers queen.

>>13158932
VtL I think they own but Nijifags are really sensitive about people who aren’t worthy singing that song.

>>13158932
If they're all produced with the labels...you'd be surprised. They likely have full permissions to sing and perform songs, but remixes...well, that would depend on the terms they signed away with the labels, and that only Nijisanji and the livers involved would know.

>>13158932
Nijisanji produces all their songs through labels, just like sora does, and so they have more restrictions on how they can use them. It's the same reason why you don't see Sora post her music up on her channel, for instance.
The reason why Cover set up INNK to begin with is to get around that restriction

>>13158950
please don't vote kiara

>>13159110
I'm voting Kiara just to spite you

>>13159110
Is this some type of metatrolling?

Only a handful of nijisanji livers have record deals, must of their orisons are self produced like what happens at Cover.

>>13158950
Mori 1 vote 5%

>>13158987
>>13158994
>>13159066
The fuck kind of BS is this. You mean to tell me that Kanae or Mashiro can't sing Contrail without the possiblity that it triggers the AI for copyright infringement? That's so fucking dumb...

>>13159164
I love Mori

>>13159188
Nobody knows the exact terms of the deal they signed with the record labels. I doubt it goes that far but who knows?

>>13158950
stop voting for kiara you fucking retards

>>13158285
You forgot the rabbit ears. The numberbunny, we worship her, make it a looney tunes gag.

>>13159188
Fun fact, they don’t all work under the same record labels.

>>13159219
Fans reflect their oshi. It's all about numbers

>>13159219
I'm voting Kiara just to spite thee

>>13159219
oops my hand slipped

Virtual to Live vs SSS, which one is the more popular company anthem?

>>13159249
The music side of niji is kinda weird man. Like, they pull off good numbers on their songs/albums but it's either a cover song or an original produced by a label. I doubt they produce a lot of money with that much cuts, especially that new cover album, reflexion or something. Even their concerts, big ones had some covers in it. Is Sony forcing to sign them up for labels?

>>13159414
I think Hololive moved onto Kirameki rider, I haven't heard them sing SSS in awhile

>>13159333
>35 votes
>22 IPs
Stop the counting

>>13159414
Hardly a debate. You can't sing Virtual to Live unless you're part of the main clique.

>>13159439
probably because SSS is written specifically for Sora who can sing high enough to shatter glass without issue, and that's not the case for most of the other holos so they can't sing it properly

>>13158715
Unironic the Lol rise song could have been written about the struggles of numberfagging and the struggles of 2views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB8TyLTD7EE

Decent pick for goal/anthem unless the point is just to double down on the numbers/counting perspective.

>>13159496
I don't know man, that's the lol song, it'd be more associated with Lol than with numbers

>>13159110
You tainted the poll by making this statement.
Also, the results of this poll wouldn't doubt change with time of day. Guess what, time zones affect people.

>>13159477
>Last time I tried to sing SSS, my throat was almost destroyed and I was like "Which idiot set the key so high?"
Kek

>>13159414
I didn't know about the first existence so my guess is SSS

>>13159414
I say the most important anthem for Hololive these days is not even SSS but
>Ahoy

>>13159496
I got a better idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KTwDH_KQ_g&t=12s

>>13159549
This was Suisei right?
Yea, SSS probs rough for a lot of the gals that don't have good high ranges.

>>13159536
Pretty sure
>>13159219
>>13158950
>>13159110
is samefag just testing his theory. I still voted Kiara just becouse someone told me not to and I don't really care about all of them.

>Hiromoot getting easy 21k
WHERE IS YOUR GOOD NOW, LUGGAGE LAD!

>all this boring talk
Let me guess, it slipped.

>>13159740
Slow day today. Nothing too exciting. Let's just wait till Friday comes.

>>13159699
No but at least I got some interesting numbers out of it
Even with fake data you can always measure something - in this particular case these numbers reflect the amount of contrarians in this thread

>>13159582
For goal or anthem?

>>13159801
>Let's just wait till Friday comes.
That's just gonna be increasingly worried niji/holo fans shitting on Sony.

>>13159582
I don't know man, that's more a pekora thread theme, rather than a numbers theme

>>13159740
Not even close baby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPm9T622OX0
Howling 1M (89 days)
So now the only song that was released on that week that has not reached 1M yet is Watame's Mayday mayday.

>>13159840
>Worried

>>13159524
You have a point. Another song on a similar theme that also would fill the niche.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiHJmcV5DL0

>>13159868
Watamates don’t do their music reps.

>>13159939
yeah it's actually good for an anthem, we should go with that unless you want to use the count song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIniljT5lJI

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *
Here it goes

>34,054: Marine (Hololive)
>28,113: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>23,323: Kanata (Hololive)
>20,617: Rushia (Hololive)
>19,885: Mel (Hololive)
>19,089: Toya (Nijisanji)
>18,560: Ex Albio (Nijisanji)
>16,014: Gatchaman (Indie)
>15,788: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>12,325: Ina (Hololive)
>11,783: Watame (Hololive)
>11,581: Calli (Hololive)
>11,188: Okayu (Hololive)
>10,133: Fubuki (Hololive)
>10,043: Botan (Hololive)

>>13160018
hah, found another even better. A bit left leaning for some taste maybe but sure fits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0aS7AvD_mc

>>13160085
MERU-SAMA...

>>13160085
Silverboy...

>>13160085
Hololive 10
Nijisanji 5

Nijisanji would have won if the cut off was 15k, lots of low tier streams for hololive.

>>13160085
It felt like a slow day and yet we still had a 30k+ stream. Don't know if I've been getting spoiled this month.

>>13160117
KEK; YOU GUYS ARE ALL DOOFUS!

Should be this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIniljT5lJI

Sesame Street: Song of the Count
>You know that I am called the Count
>Because I really love to count
>Sometimes I sit and count all day,
>But sometimes I get carried away

>I count slowly, slowly, slowly, getting faster
>Once I start in counting it's really hard to stop
>Faster, faster, it is so exciting.
>I could count forever, count until I drop

>One, two, three, four,
>One-two-three-four, one, two,
>I love counting, whatever the amount.

>One, two, three, four, hey, ey, ey, ey, hey, ey, ey, ey,
>One, two, three, four, one, two, that's the song of the Count.

>I count the spiders on the wall.
>I count the cobwebs in the hall.
>I count the candles on the shelf.
>When I'm alone, I count myself.

>I count slowly, slowly, slowly getting faster
>Once I start in counting, it's very hard to stop
>Faster, faster, it is so exciting.
>I could count forever, count until I drop

>One, two, three, four,
>One-two-three-four, one, two, three, four, one, two,
>I love counting, whatever the amount.

>One, two, three, four, hey, ey, ey, ey, hey, ey, ey, ey,
>One, two, three, four, one, two, that's the song of the Count. Hey!

>>13160210
I agree that this would definitely be an alternative. Goal or anthem song though?

>>13160210
Yea sure, let's go with this one.

>>13160270
Anthem

>>13160286
Go with that, very fitting.

>>13160085
Kuzuha, the king of second place

>>13160428
silverboy you mean

>>13160270
To slow for a goalhorn, it has to be the anthem

Mori and Pekora got +10k subs within minutes of difference

Yall keep making fun of kuzaha but he going make yall eat those words. He did before and he going to it again holofags.

>>13158715
Contrail is the best-selling vtuber single and the most viewed is still RIP I think? I think that would be enough numbers relevant to this thread to recommend them.

Rushia really farms superchats holy shit

>>13160576
wait whats with shion? she's just having an animal crossing stream right?

>>13160576
516k yen

>>13160575
YT : Carnivorous plant
YT music : Ahoy
Spotify : RIP
YT + YT music : Carnivorous plant
YT + YT music + Spotify : RIP

>>13160085
Why only one Kuzuha stream? It's only ok with Kanata to add multiple ones?

>>13160085
Nijisanji can win the month if they go 12-1 the rest of the way.

>>13160633
She is 75k away from being the first vtuber to break 3million in superchat.

>>13160576
HIROMOOT, I KNEEL!

Is Millie trying to double dip on two timezones now? I don't remember seeing her streams around this time before

>>13160716
His streams were technical restarts, her streams were scheduled multiple streams.

>>13160575
>Contrail
Numbers and cost?

>>13160631
Nothing, she got 108k yen in the first 30 minutes but that's just an average value

>>13160768

>>13160740
I think the scales have fallen from their eyes and they're realizing the EN market for NijiEN is tapped out so they are transitioning into becoming their native language's token vtuber.

>>13160819
What platform does Oricon count for digital sales?

>>13160507
At current rate Gura will hit 4M in 4 months with Mori hitting 2M shortly after and Pekora's 2M one month after. Will Kizuna Ai break from 2.98M before that?

>>13160768
1.29 on iTunes I’m assuming. It’s just a single.

>>13160972
Gura is slowing down (because she doesn't stream)
It may take a bit more.

>>13160972
>Will Kizuna Ai break from 2.98M before that?
She's still on 2.98 mil and has been for four months so no

>>13160972
>Will Kizuna Ai break from 2.98M before that?
Yea, pretty soon she'll break to 2.97M

>>13160953
iTunes, Apple Music, Mora, LINE Music I think

>>13161096
For just Japan or the whole world?

>>13160823
So basically what she was before joining Nijisanji. Bets on when she starts speaking tag to pander to flips?

>>13161132
All sales on that chart is Japan only.

>>13161165
Yeah so this is definitely not the be-all-end-all chart for vtuber music. Should only focus on physical sales since we don't have any international records distributing vtuber music.

>>13160740
1AM at Philippines. Bad time kek.

>>13160085
S I L V E R B O Y

>>13160953
only japan sales. lol.

Gura will lose to Mori or IRyS in hours watched this month

>>13161165
Would reflect sales pretty accurately for everyone except Hololive.

10k possible?

>>13161223
Consider it as the floor, especially for Hololive's songs.

This thread feels like Kuzuha's tsundere fanclub.

>>13161461
Probably, we're in the middle of the third week of the month and she only has 6 streams and half of them were debuffs. Fucking Shion has as many streams as Gura right now.

>>13161510
2 POVs most likely, so no.

>>13161510
nope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIlUkEkG6F8
Are we entering FFXIV arc on both company?

>>13161498
>>13161527
Yeah sure but definitely not as black and white as numbers of combined streaming services. But then nips are also autistic about their CDs and not using streaming services like spotify so hard to say anything about the best performing vtuber albums / songs for the whole world.

>>13160972
>Kizuna Ai
she's dead, anon even before she transformed into an NFT whore

>>13160819
>First single
>3 years in the making
>70k ccv on song premiere
>50k ccv on birthday live
costs 255 yen, only 10k sales. a win is a win, I guess

on a side note, Mori did well locally. thats 10m yen.

>>13161645
I mean, purely from a "This is the new hot thing" perspective, there are going to be a loooooot of people finishing up ShB around now and/or done and waiting for the patch. A quick and adept person would try and get through ShB and be ready for Endwalker sooner rather than later, to catch the people who finish endwalker during the winter break and are looking for other POVs on the story and whatnot.
So the answer; Probably, at least for those who are actually interested in the game.

>>13161645
Nijisanji have been playing this game for a long time.

>>13161739
I know, I watched Shizurin and Warabeda. I mean "new people starting FFXIV".

>>13161703
Oricon also doesn’t have otoytoy sales where Suisei’s new album did very well.
https://ototoy.jp/charts/yearly/album

>>13161811
https://ototoy.jp/charts/yearly/ep
Hololive dominates the singles for yearly.

>>13161531
Why?

>>13161850
>Off with Their Heads and Cursed Nights that high

bora streamed today? what was her peak?

>>13161970
Hinotori sold more than Reflect.
Heroine Audition sold more than Engaged Stories (Toko).

>>13162015
who?

>>13162015
A little under 6k. Got mogged by Moona and by the "Extended Gwelu Line"

>>13161510
No Cunny
No numbers

>>13162100
Noob question: I've seen Gwelu used as the baseline comparison for livers. Why him and not other people? Is he right in middle of the pack for the Niji males or something?

>>13162328
Archive reps Gwelu line

>>13162328
He has a stream that has been looping videos for months.

So, a list of Suisei's songs that haven't reached 1M was posted exactly three weeks ago (>>12093259), and I was reminded of it, so I decided to see how much they have grown.

Turing Love, 951k->972k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-omKAd_sbFo
Champagne Day, 879k->894k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkMXq08WlJo
Holy Angel's Carol, 879k->905k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-demdSHuYI
Zenbu anta no sei, 717k->824k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfzkyqTPafo
Kami no manimani, 583k->590k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE2oZdUH_ps
Absolute 5, 576k->619k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiekN5DmNZE
Secret Daybreak, 565k->589k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkcCqYk_V1s
Retto joto, 511k->523k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1T9M4F8sKk
melty world, 478k->484k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pgap38Os_k
Shine!!, 474k->483k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLj0Rg_bcvQ
Believe Again, 410k->413k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoDcaZASa8M
Easter Carnival, 401k->432k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edp420amW1s
Kowareyasuki, 395k->399k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PpTrPbRg0U
Gurenge, 362k->367k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehm_A0pYQEM
Blue Bird, 312k->319k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PerzMoTou-k
Alien Alien, 305k->310k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcQ9k7A5TDM
Meltyland Nightmare, 208k->213k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm4KMKurd8E
The Last Frontier, 160k->247k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9wUbw5qevU
Valentine Kiss, 12k->12k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uQ4bc7otx8

Growth in three weeks and estimated time to 1M assuming current rate (which won't last of course):
Zenbu anta no sei: 107k ~35 days til 1M
The Last Frontier: 87k ~182 days til 1M
Absolute 5: 43k ~187 days til 1M
Easter Carnival: 31k ~385 days til 1M
Holy Angel's Carol: 26k ~77 days til 1M
Secret Daybreak: 24k ~360 days til 1M
Turing Love: 21k ~28 days til 1M
Champagne Day: 15k ~149 days til 1M
Retto joto: 12k ~835 days til 1M
Shine!!: 9k ~1207 days til 1M
Kami no manimani: 7k ~1230 days til 1M
Blue Bird: 7k ~2043 days til 1M
melty world: 6k ~1806 days til 1M
Gurenge: 5k ~2659 days til 1M
Alien Alien: 5k ~2898 days til 1M
Meltyland Nightmare: 5k ~3306 days til 1M
Kowareyasuki: 4k ~3156 days til 1M
Believe Again: 3k ~2891 days til 1M
Valentine Kiss: - Never reaches 1M

(Shiny Smily Story (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyXKJAZH_Pw)) was forgotten from the list, but posted later. I have a vague recollection its number started with 7, so it's probably around the second last. As its now 703k and assuming the growth was 3k, it's going to take 2079 days til 1M.)

Not sure if there's any particularly enlightening observations to be made here:
Nobody is surprised that the newest cover and the newest orison are the two fastest growing, although holy hell is AZKi's channel a debuff. The next ones also are roughly in the order they were released. It seems that Suisei can still pull 20k+ on other channels a year later (Turing Love, Holy Angel's Carol). On the other hand her old stuff doesn't really attract views, Champagne Day even ought to have the "up next for 1M" buff as it's on her channel.

Dunno if I care myself this much, but the effort was put in, and might as well post more numbers to the numbers thread.

>>13162328
He has a stream going on that's titled "This stream goes on until I hit one million subs or my GPU melts" that's just a pic of his avatar staring at a screen of white snow, so we started calling it the gwelu line because anyone who gets less views than that video is literally less entertaining than a stream of literally nothing

>>13162505
My apologies, that's what it used to be but it seems like he's started looping old streams of his

>>13162100
damn was thinking she might get 10k at least since her graduation tweet likes/rts was around coco level but i guess most people's reactions are just "damn thats sad, good luck in the future"

>>13162566
Niji tweets are greatly inflated due to them paying for a topic

150万登録者おめでとう!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jesus rushia

>>13162642
I pray for the local business that got swayed, and overpaid, only to get ridiculed on nijisanji broadcast.

>>13161645
It's just NijiEN setting up for an "impromptu" collab with the Holos. It's most likely another one of their management's idea.

>>13163094
SHE'S PRINTING MONEY

>>13158285
>>13158330
>>13158410
>>13158499
Final version, lads

>>13163756
I think it's better to be neutral with your logo to show sportsmanship. You would need to change the right ribbon color in a few years as that company is having a slow and steady negative slope.

>>13163756
lose the ribbons, this is the numbers thread logo, not the holoniji joint thread.
Otherwise it's pretty good

>>13163756
I wouldn't put Holo/Niji flags down below, this thread also has lots of other companies and as long as they get numbers it's alright

>>13163644
imagine the shitstorm

>>13161811
But why?

>>13163644
>It's most likely another one of their management's idea.
**AHEM**
>BLOCKS YOUR IMPROMPTU COLLAB
NOT ON MY WATCH, OOMPA LOOMPAS!

>>13163756
If you wanna go the Commie route than have the ribbons be decorated by all vtuber companies that are usually talked about in numbers (the big 2, VSPO, VS, Phase, Tsunderia,774, etc). If you wanna go big numbers > small numbers than left is holo and the right would be an amalgamation of every company who has charted with their performance determining how much of the left ribbon they occupy. We can then change those ribbons depending on the state of the industry.

>>13163756
Here is a suggestion
>pic related
Kneel templates at https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/951/289/07b.png

>>13164652
At least use the marine kneel pic or some other vtuber

So tomorrow already has Homos kidnapping a child, Haachama 3d, and MiComet Minecraft

>>13164652
>>13164773
Yeah yeah, that’s more of a crudely made suggestion. Original anon surely can cook something better

Shion really owning this late night slot

>>13164652
>>13163915
>>13163947
>>13163966
>>13164252
ogey, attempt 2

>>13165120
Very good!

>>13165120
Yeah, looks good

>mogs your oshi

>>13165298
Oh so is that why the board is dead today?

Pekora's stream hours per day this year
White - rest
Yellow - less than 3h
Green - 3h-5h
Red - more than 5h

>>13165120
Approved

>>13165441
if you want to be numba one you need a schedule like this

>>13160972
Still think there is a big chance Calli hitting 2M earlier than Gura hitting 4M.

>>13165441
Damn, she optimizes weekend slots really hard.
Weekday is for preps.

But Ayame still has the best earnings : effort optimization.

>>13165441
That's impressive for a Hololive streamer, but for lot of streamers red would be 90% of the calendar

>>13165357
yep

>>13165731
There is a case to be made that /pol/ and /vt/ have an inversely proportional correlation for their speed due to massive overlap

>>13165730
if you mean indies and real life well they don't need to do idol reps for their lives

>>13149685
It's just a function of how big hololive is, and despite what modern day 4chan has become it still was a hobbyist board so its not surprising that it spread out that far.

>>13165793
More like the polfags come here to seek drama whenever nothing big is happening over in /pol/ to practice their skills and shoot the shit

EZ 5 k??

>>13160085
MANJISANJI

>>13166396
"the leechers"

Nick Rekieta is my favourite vtuber.

>>13166587

>>13166396
How many POV? Will Selen have her “reverse view funnel” turned on to suck the audience of her mates?

>>13166697
Rushia doesn't hold a candle to his grifting prowess.

only 3k waiting for kiara, this stream is doa

* NijiEN right now *
Elira is the unsung hero of the branch. Consistent numbers above her peers without being a “specialist”.
I can see a future where she takes #1 from Selen, either by inclining or by Selen slipping

>>13168168
You know I get the feeling that nijien wouldn't be so horribly shat on in this place if you don't make midget posts on the regular trying to shell 2k views as some kind of pinnacle

Kiara final waiting room: 4.5k

Over/Under on 10k
>PREDICTIONS?

I say over 10k, under 12k

>>13168168
dead branch...

>>13168256
>as some kind of pinnacle
You may have interpreted the post wrong, it’s meant to say two things
>Elira’s consistent 2k are way above half her branch under 1k
>Selen has a hard dependency on a certain type of content, Elira doesn’t and that may give her an edge in a future

>>13168340
10k ish sounds about right for this timeslot

>>13168340
Chiara debuff energy, 7k.

>>13168340
>kiara
>10k
AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>13168168
3 wave was a mistake

>>13168168
Jesus, what the fuck went wrong with NIjien?

>>13168503
Anon...

From Ototoy.

>>13168168
>>13168567
I've heard about Millie not wanting her chat to speak in Filipino and even banning people at times, which is weird. She could've banked to it but she didn't.

Did she fall for “Connor is a huge JojoFag” meme and did this for a shortcut into his circle?

>>13168660
Filipino will drive off normal people who will actually donate money.

>>13168657
>first niji is at #74

>>13168706
Nah she actually likes Jojo for whatever reason. Probably got caught in the 2018-2020 Jojo shill wave which was popular with the kind of media she consumes (anitubers, twitch shit).

>>13168657
Blue clapper as #2 surprised me. What’s this measuring?

>>13168766
It’s one thing to like something and another completely different to sabotage her job by engaging in something her audience clearly isn’t inclined to follow.

Reminds me of Matsuri and APEX

>>13168706
nina is just grinding hours.
classic twitch tactic but rarely beneficial.
She was at least smart to stream to no overlaps for most of her gaming streams.

>>13168567
With nijien everything is fine, the problem is in the 3rd wave.

>>13168835
Maybe she is paid for the hour, some sort of salary arrangement

https://youtu.be/PdLjOMSkcbs
finally some numbers

>>13158168
>3DPD
MODS!!!

WHO’S GOING TO WIN?

>Ina 11k gravity pull
>Kiara debuff field?

>>13168958
30k minimum, maybe 35k?

>>13168657
Probably fucked this one up since I'm not aware of all the vtuber/singers.

>>13168958
what's the point if she's going to unarchive it anyway

>>13168958
a "guerrilla" karaoke i sayd 30k minimum since no schedule
but also there haven being a public karaoke on a while so it can reach her usual 40k too.
Any overlaps?

>>13169153

>>13168828
Matsuri basically only streams Apex. Nina is streaming literally every day this month so if her "off days" are just watching Jojo with her super hardcore fans it doesn't matter too much. She's growing relatively fast, gets decent SCs, and is mopping the floor with the rest of the schlubs in her wave,

>>13169153
Only overlap is with MoonUtau rebroadcast which may cost her a couple of k

>>13168954
That would be stupid, especially if you could just spam low effort content to get more money. Nina gets paid the same way 95% of corporate vtubers get paid, share of SC/membership/merch/ad rev.

>>13169120
Gura never does archived karaokes anymore because they suck, all you can sing is boring anime garbage and vocaloid songs. The point is to build her brand as a singer and attract subscribers (and reward her viewers, members, donators, etc with their favorite content).

>>13168958
#1 of the day! Will slip!

>>13169184
People will be bored of Fauna's stream 2 hours in, and she might well quit before then with how little she's been streaming recently. Ame's stream is a shill stream, I think? I don't see why anyone would willingly want to play that game. Even if not, it won't get any numbers. Gura has free reign.

>>13169184
moona is a non issue and ame starts later.
Guras karaokes usually last 1-1.5hrs
Fauna and mumei are the onyl ones but ones is SC and fauna would have peaked before gura starts.

>>13169401
>Ame's stream is a shill stream, I think
I was drifting in and out of sleep, but I think she said in her member's zatsu that it's actually sponsored.

>that Gwelu Line inflation
What happened, he tweeted the stream or something? Reached a milestone?

>>13169433
*shit, unsponsored. Typo.

>>13169450
bots

>>13169401
She's not going to sing for 3hrs. Their setup right now looks greats because they are not going to cash with anyone. Fauna can play for 2hrs. Gura will sing for an hour. Ame will shill for 1.5 hrs and then Irys will play for 6hrs. Kek

>>13169450
Those numbers...

>>13169401
>Ame's stream is a shill stream
>>13169433
>I think she said in her member's zatsu that it's actually sponsored.
It should be. Square Enix is partnered up with Hololive to promote it

>>13169401
It's actually pretty good and slight buff game on twitch at least. You may confuse it with avengers game, now that's game is trash.

>>13169539
Mumei can stream for as long as she wants since it's just an SC stream anyways

>>13169376
We all know there will be Haachama 3D live today.
It won't slip when it is considered lower than other.

>>13169600
Yeah I was probably thinking of that. The one that was buggy and P2W.

>>13169450
Constant Reminder that HoloID, NijiEN are already monsters of their own right in the vtubing world.
Hell, even Holostars can be considered very successful if you consider the other low-tier nijis and indies.

>>13169550
>It should be. Square Enix is partnered up with Hololive to promote it
I'm the anon, that was a typo. I meant unsponsored, and apparently I was right. She said it's unsponsored yesterday. Timestamp if you're an Investigator: https://youtu.be/2XxPRC9PLbs?t=2359

>>13169401
>a Fauna anti in a numbers thread
How quaint

>>13169725
I mean I'm rich if you think about all the people in Africa eating bugs and living in huts.

>>13159432
Has Niji ever done a concert like BLOOM that featured only original songs?

>>13169754
I'm not a Fauna anti but it's unrealistic to expect Skyrim to be entertaining 2 hours in.

>>13168958
possibly her worst karaoke numbers in a while, there wasnt even a schedule warning it

>>13169777
Yes
but the problem is they dont have that many originals to make a full concert so they have covers too.

>>13168958
Will not take the day. Gura has one 2 golds in 11 months

>>13169401
What did Fauna do to you? You have been in here seething over her for like a week now. Her numbers aren't even bad. She just hit 10k like 2 days ago.

>>13168958
I predict she'll still get 30k eventhough it's a sudden stream (No Schedule posted, i just learned she'll stream due to being here)

Her last 2 Karaokes gots 40k and 34k. So getting a 30k should be doable.

>>13169809
If she actually sing in VR, it might be one of her shorter streams but it can hit 30k because of the novelty and it is still within prime time for EN

>>13169934
Yeah, Gura karaoke streams are guarenteed 30k with 40k being very possible. I'll go on the lower end of 30k since it was unscheduled. Probably like 34k is my guess.

>>13169809
Does scheduling streams ahead of time really help with numbers? As long as the frame is up a few hours ahead of time I suspect it makes no difference at all.

>>13169864
>Her numbers aren't even bad.
NTA but her growth is bad and she barely streams. Her SCs for the type of content she provides and her model is abysmal.

>>13169945
>If she actually sing in VR, it might be one of her shorter streams
karaokes for gura are usually short anyway and she wont be moving a lot.

>>13169864
Kek, don't mind her.
it's just fallenshadow being schizo again

>>13169856
>>13169376
I think you guys are forgetting that Haachama will have a 3D Stream that can get 40k(maybe even 50k).
Gura's last 2 karaoke only got 34k and 40k.

>>13170001
It helps a lot if you are a chuuba like Gura and Ame who streams sporadically. If you are Pekora not really because your viewers know you will show up everyday.

>>13169809
>>13169945
Her worst for now is the 32k princess connect.

>>13170041
You are predicting too low for Haachama 3D. Looking at all the recent stuff I think 60k+ is possible.

>>13170001
>Does scheduling streams ahead of time really help with numbers
Yes. Not everybody has YouTube app on the phone to get a notification or check their YouTube obsessively to see if they’re missing a stream
>except nousagis and haaton

>>13170125
Does she have any guests?

>>13169864
I'm not the Fauna schizo guy. You guys are getting as bad as KFP at jumping at shadows.

>>13170184
I have no fucking idea. Depending on whether she gets guests or not it will be between 40k to 60k.

>>13170241
You know that, by caring and forcefully denying, you make it much funnier to accuse you of that, right FallenShadow?

>>13170184
>any guests
I don’t know but she surely landed a bombastic announcement and a memetastic thumb pic. It will attract tourists

>>13170279
If she doesn't have any guest then 50k might be her ceiling.

>>13170125
Haachama have declined (because of streaming less and cancelling announced streams) plus we don't even know if she'll have major guests (like Peko, Marine, Miko)

It's understandable since she's busy in college. She can easily gain her former numbers if she picks up Meme Review and plays games.

>>13169376
Haachama 3D should take #1, anon...

>>13170041
I'm saying Gura will lose. She isn't even silver material at this point, not even bronze. Why we consider her a top vtuber is beyond me.

Kiara x Ina AC 10k get

>>13170294
You caught me bro.

>>13170816
>Why we consider her a top vtuber is beyond me
Pekora, Kuzuha, Miko, Marine are all above her but Gura is still a top-tier chuuba.
>Highest Sub
>22k Median in Oct (19k this month, likely go higher since she barely streams for now)
>Can get 1k-2.4k SCs (not including Shill streams and Collabs)

>>13170816
pic

>>13170816
I mean she's definitely still top 10, if that doesn't make her a top chuuba I don't know what does

>>13171045
Anon. This only says that the chuuba that has double the size in subs has better percentage of vod watchers. Nothing more.

>>13171073
Top 5.

>>13171045
It just means many people watched the vod because they didn't saw it live

I watch most of Pekora and Miko live but my only watches most of Kronii (my oshi)'s VOD because of timezones.

>>13171073
The ability to win a gold on a none event day. Even Miko can win those.

>>13171180
When was the last time miko won gold without an event?

>>13171180
Ability to win gold? You must be kidding me. The top chuuba is always going to be the chuuba with the most hours watched alongside CCV

>>13171180
You really try to push it huh ENSchizo, atleast come up with better arguments

>>13171153
>>13171140
proceed to make up your next excuse now

Kiara/Ina 10K

>>13171277
And I say this in 1 month or quarterly basis. Just because you got the highest ccv for a week, it doesn't guarantee shit

The loop started again

>>13171303
Anon. You know people don't stay for a whole stream right? This is true for all chuubas. People dip in and out.

>>13171385
ENschizo is here and a doxxposter outed himself as an indog on /sp/ and is currently spamming /hlgg/ with doxx.

>>13171277
>top chuuba
>base it all on youtube's fucked up ccv

>>13171385
Nobody cares about Kiara x Ina getting 10k and we might have a 4 EN streams past 10k today

stop replying to the ENschizo, he knows hes making no sense and is just fishing for some yous

>>13171045
Fuck off. Stop using this shit

>>13171140
Suisei has a better percentage of VOD views.

Fun fact, Gura has the lowest video view per sub percentage in HoloEN and in HoloJP only Akirose is worse.

>>13171303
I ain't even a Gura/HoloEN Anti, mind that my oshi is Kronii and i also love watching gura and their collabs.

I only watch Marine Clips but Pekora is known for slowly getting audience (her weekend shill stream have 15k in the first hour but can get 22k peak).

Many EN Youtubers just posts recorded vids, so it's possible most of Gura's audience just watch VODs and only those who have time and members try to catch her streams live

Its funny that enfags is as fragile as nijiniggers

>>13169828
Why would you start with yes if answer is no?

>>13171303
You do know the site on the right is not reliable and doesn't have access to the real numbers, right?

>>13171638
>percentgae
again with this loop?

>>13171791
Gura is a top 10 vtuber but top 5 is pushing it.

>>13171638
GURA WOULDNT HAVE GOTTEN CLOSE TO PEKORA IF SUSAN DIDNT CULL PEKORAS VOD VIEWS!!

>>13171638
Gura's Subs is a freaking 3.4M lmao.
Why don't you look at Pewdiepie's and see percentage a lot lower than that.

VOD views are weird to measure since someone watching for 30 seconds vs. 2 hours gets counted as the same. At least with CCV you know how many people watched the whole thing.

ENschizo, you better hope no jannie accidentally moves this thread to another board and we all see your flag again

>>13171893
>bro, Gura's dead sub graveyard isn't as bad as this other dead sub graveyard
Gura is good. Gura is not top. There is a reason why Gura has been trending downwards since AFTER the change in how CCV was calculated.

>>13171450
>doxxposter outed himself as an indog on /sp/
What?

>>13171638
Pewdiepie's is 3.1%. Bigger you get the lower that number will get. Pekora's is 23%, does that mean Suisei is more popular than her?

>>13159549
heh, nothing personal, kid

>>13171948
>At least with CCV you know how many people watched the whole thing.
CCV doesn't tell you that at all.

>>13172050
>does that mean Suisei is more popular than her?
In some circles yes. Pekora is a nobody on the music scene. Suisei? Someone. Gura is just not the cream of the cream. She's been doing worse and worse all year.

>>13172038
ame op pic

>>13171948
Subs remain the biggest measure of interest anyone has in a chuuba. I understand some channels just die and no one watches their content any more (like Kizuna), but those channels also stop gaining new subs. Gura meanwhile has been leading the sub gain since she debuted.
You can cope about CCV, Superchats, w/e but the fact remains VOD views+growing sub count=a very valid metric of measuring who's at the top. This is why these girls are obsess over their subscriber metrics.

>>13172143
Gura's "worse" is still better than most people's best. Until that isn't the case it doesn't matter what your personal opinion of her potential future is.

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW, EGGS!
>haters and losers BTFO!

Speaking to VOD percentage, do you know PDP is compared to T-Series and Cocomelon? Subscriber number in the similar range

>>13172301
>the ship isn't sinking until 1/3 of the boat is underwater
She's trending down. Down down down. This is after the """"bug""""
Gura is a top vtuber, no THE top vtuber.

>>13172454
>Gura is a top vtuber, no THE top vtuber.*
*by the subjective standards of /#/. No one outside of this place unironically entertains the idea that kuzuha is more popular, for example. Gura is NR1, hence why so many people seethe and try to spazz out about their irrelevant metrics in which she doesn't dominate.

>>13172283
I think live views is still the most important metric. It tells you what someone's popularity is in the current moment. Yes some people watch the VOD but no one who gets 5k live on a 2-hour stream is gonna have 500k views the next day. Subs are useful but they're not all equal, some being far older than others or gained in ways that won't result in much engagement (meme subs like Risu's). You just stuff like Noel having more subs than Miko, Kiara being over Subaru/Suisei, and Ollie over Kronii that don't present a relevant picture of current popularity.

just like the whole of HoloEN, gura is doing worse and worse through all this year
pic or numbers unrelated, gura is doing worse morally, and it is a straight dive down

>>13171303
What was the point of this? Assuming site on the right is correct and no one left stream in 3 minutes(impossible) this will mean YouTube cull Pekora's viewers by 18% and Gura's by 27%. it's known fact that YouTube changed how CCV works in December and EN got hit harder than JP. But Difference between Pekora and Gura is only 9%, if you are going to argue about Gura's numbers being wrong then count JP's too. Without culling, Gura will probably be slightly lower than Pekora and Marine at this point. Also if you are going to say that subs are super important remember that japs barely subs too. Gura is very popular but stop pretending that she is 100000% more popular that she is right now, it's just around 9% since everyone is nerfed.

>>13172454
Gura's the top vtubers in subs. Pekora is the top overall, with the most metrics falling in her favor. You can be the scoring leader in the NBA without winning MPV.

>>13172598
Morally? Did you hit your head?

looking back, what did you guys think of Bloom, and how has it affected Hololive as a whole?

Who has the most hashtag videos on YouTube? Using all possible language.

>>13172607
If you add 10% to Gura's CCV she only starts beating Miko. She is still bellow Kuzuha, Pekora, and Marine.

>>13172598
If you flip it upside down, NijiJP is actually inclining pretty hard.

>>13172607
That's two random cherry-picked streams, you'd have to do it over a bunch of different streams, and then convince people the midstream running tally is even accurate in the first place and not just a holding number while youtube processes the stream.

>>13172660
Bloom was the turning point of hololive, it proved that they can in fact make their money from hosting live concerts and shifted them to encouraging the creation of originals and pushing concerts.

>>13172734
>If you flip it upside down, NijiJP is actually inclining pretty hard.

>>13172598
>gura is doing worse morally
What?

>>13172598
>gura is doing worse morally
ESL-kun..?

>>13172750
so was Bloom just a flex that they can be their own record label now?

>>13172738
I know, but that anon has been using it a lot, so I don't get that's the point as it only show that Gura is slightly more popular, not 50% more that he clams.

>>13169116
3:12 is basically a Suisei song man, I know it's not under her name and Ll but she sang it at her live.

>>13172598
>morally

>>13172833
The Bouquet Album was the flex. The Bloom concert was the showcase

>>13172750
You mean curry meshi

>>13172607
>it is only 9%
>>13171045
call it late vod watchers, ccv bug, or whatever else. Gura gets double the views per "ccv" than what a jp would get.

Its been 7 months since mori last won against lamy in SC

>>13172934
Still trending down.

>>13172934
More like susan culls jp vod numbers

>>13173032
Morally

>>13173032
>still trending down
yes, >morally, I get it, I get it

>>13173067
>>13173075
can we add it to the nijicope list?

>>13172893
every single song from Bloom was good with my favorite being blue clapper since I'm biased towards gen 5. to cap off their performance, they released this
https://youtu.be/08zYuyX3mRo
it really feels like an ending of an SoL anime. especially in hindsight with Coco's graduation

>>13173067
>>13173075
what the fuck does morally trending down even mean?

Can morality be numberfagged? Who would win for “least moral” chuuba?

I’ll put my vote for Ayame, she’s surely the best at not having morals

>>13173106
>nijicope
What? I love hololivers, I just don't think Gura is the top vtuber and that she's trending down.

ITT: doxxnigger indog trying to give us a lecture about morals and how do they trend

Top holos by morality:
1. Sora
2. AZKi
3. Aqua
4. Roboco
5. Ina
.
.
.
40. Gura (trending down down down)

>>13173254
Yes, morally. She has a sworn duty to schedule big numbers streams to please anon, but she's been shirking this moral duty.

>>13173254
>the top vtuber
I doubt you would see this claim made in this thread, considering there are several categories being numberfagged (with morality **not** being one of them) and each of them have their own top.
Two things are for sure
>Gura is the top chuuba on the “subs” category
and
>Gura is **not** the top chuuba in the SC category

>>13173250
Marine is a nun I think that puts her on top of the morality chart.

>>13172934
I's not arguing about her vod views, i just wanted to say that her CCV isn't that big. It's obvious that Gura is really popular but most of her views come from people who don't watch stream or she have very little viewer retention. Picture you are using right now is fine, but 3 minutes one is useless. I just wanted to point that out. Gura is still vod and sub queen, her popularity is just different from most others holos, just like Mori and Suisei are really popular with songs.

>>13173297
>Aqua
aqua???

>>13173449
Haachama likely ranks high in the “Christian morality” rank

>>13173405
She's not top in peak CCV and not the top in VOD views.

>>13173450
Gura still gets really good CCV, at worst she's like #4 in the company behind Peko/Marine/Miko.

>>13173250
Fubuki is the most moral vtuber, she has frequently sacrificed numbers to do the right thing (shit on unicorns for Towa, shit on chinks for Coco, saviorfag homostars)

What he meant about morally i think is that gura's number drags holoen number whatever the trend is :O

>the only right choice for the most popular chuuba in morality

>>13173254
>hololivers
>livers
sus

>>13173527
checked, kuzuha actually got better numbers than her

>>13173450
>i just wanted to say that her CCV isn't that big
Her CCV puts her in the top 3 of all Hololive and Nijisanji for October, trailing only Pekora and Kuzuha.
I don’t know what you mean by “that big” but it surely looks like an inordinate amount of words to replace “I don’t like Gura”

Ototoy: Yearly Best Selling Artists
https://ototoy.jp/charts/yearly/artist
#1 Suisei
#4 Hololive Idol Project
#7 Watame
#8 Mori
#15 Azki
#19 Kizuna Ai
#24 Aqua
#26 Marine
#28 Towa
#36 Hachi
#38 Towa
#40 Miko
#41 KMNZ
#43 Irys
#44 Hanabasami Kyo
#54 Himehina
#61 Fubuki
#67 Nene
#73 Coco
#74 Hololive 4th gen
#75 Luna
#78 Suou Patra
#79 Kaf
#80 Boogey Voxx
#83 Pekora
#88 Nijasanji
#94 Aki
#96 Nayuta
#98 Subaru

>>13173520
Maxed out.

>>13173250
All your Holos are 500 years too early to challenge sister Claire's morals and 50000 years too early to challenge Gundou's lack of them.

Niji wins again.

>>13173527
>She's not top in peak CCV
True, “only” #3 for October (>>13173686) on CCV.

>>13173686
Marine is missing tho gura is definitely up there with miko

Kek, this talk about moral. If someone screencapping those post, dont forget to put me in

>>13173762
Yeah, top 3. Not top 1 but 3 is good. I am saying she isn't number 1, not that she's a Niji female.

>>13173705
can Sora get on the list with her cover album that's coming at the end of this month? I feel like she needs to cover a lot of grounds

>>13173767
Needs 5 streams in the month to feature in that rank otherwise Ayame would lead it with 86k median CCV

>>13173705
>everyone trashes AZKi
>she's actually near the top

>>13173809
>I am saying she isn't number 1
If it’s “time to say obvious shit that nobody said or implied in this thread”, she’s also not Brazilian.

>>13173543
>>13173686
Yeah right now she's probably between Miko and Pekora/Marine/Kuzuha I didn't meant to imply otherwise. She just play tons of debuff games.
By that big I meant that she isn't top. I should have worded better. I'm just tired of claims that Gura is secretly is better at all metrics without any solid proof.

>>13173668
yes, im sure you checked a 10hr kuzuha vs 1hr gura vod, good job

>>13173809
Are there a lot of people saying Gura gets the highest average CCV? Maybe I'm just not here when they're saying it and I miss that. If there are then good on you for debunking that vicious falsehood.

>>13173853
AZki has bad stream numbers, but she always was, and is, a vsinger first.

>>13173916
Sounds like a cope

>>13173686
>>13173762
you`re not taking morals into account anon, that makes you table invalid

Offending Fauna and HoloEN in general should be bannable, some people don’t appreciate what they’ve got. I’m so proud of these girls.

>>13173940
>Are there a lot of people saying Gura gets the highest average CCV?
Yes, but unironically. (((They))) are culling Gura's numbers extra and she actually averages 45k CCV. It's because she won't eat the bugs.

>>13174020
I hate to tell you, but those type of posts are called bait.

>>13173705
Image version.

>>13174016
>Fallenshadow resorting to reverse psychology
Meds?

>>13173916
>Gura vs Pekora in VOD views
Bigger number better
>Gura vs Kuzuha in VOD views
Bigger not better

You have to be consistent. Don't keep changing the rules so you can declare Gura the winner.

>>13174016
Unironically holoen has the most fragile fangroup herr

>>13173705
Damn, Suisei actually managed to beat Yoasobi? I know Ototoy is a buff for chuubas, not an indicator of much anything and probably a tiny drop in the ocean, but good for her. I thought Yoasobi might be big enough that no vtuber can challenge it.

>>13173956
that one pioneerbro yesterday said the music she produces for hololive is essentially an escapism tool from her OL job. I don't get why she doesn't just quit that job and focus primarily on streaming and making music. hololive is clearly big enough nowadays for her to live off of it and do her roommate music at the same time.

>>13173705
>>13174068
>tfw AZKi is on the list twice

>13174093
shit bait

>>13170241
Who the fuck do you think you're tricking FallenShadow? Seriously just stop, Fauna is doing fine.

>M-Millie… :-(
I thought filipinos were the strongest race

>>13172914
Curry meishi is about the advertisement bucks and putting them in the public consciousness. Bloom is an internal shift. They are both different things.

>>13174495
I still remember people in this thread saying that Millie was going to be comparable if not bigger than Selen.

>>13174495
More like the most obnoxious

>>13173705
anon, 38 is Kanata.

>>13174574
No one ever thought Ethyria would be good. No one hyped them up.

>>13174016
The only one I've seen cry is the pomuschizo when NijiEN numbers are shown and compared.

>>13174785
Bullshit, people were absolutely saying that Millie was going to be huge because of her PL.

>>13174785
Really? Because I distinctly remember the terms "holokiller" and "an entire generation of gura killers" getting thrown about

>>13174785
gaslighterchama...
The catalog was filled with ethyria hype and retards posting about how their singing talent would make them blow up kek