/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>13078511

>>13167039
Twitch is clearly better as a streaming platform but YouTube works better for all the chuubas that are part of groups with the almighty algorithm.
And even Twitch chuubas like Vshojo still use YouTube channels to post and promote things.

youtube has better chat, better quality, rewind feature
twitch has emoji spam? makes the chat shit

>bebas akses sosmed dan apliksai favorite sepuanya
>free access to all your favorite social media and apps
Twitch filters out SEA because they're phone posters who rely on their provider's data plans and would burn that allocated data if they watched on twitch.

>twitch
>better chat
>youtube
>better streams

Neither are good

In terms of streaming, the only advantage YouTube holds over Twitch is quality options, if you're not partnered on Twitch your viewers only sometimes get the option. Of course, this is only a downside if you're in some third world shithole with bad internet.

From a technical standpoint, Twitch is better. It has way more features. The only avantage of youtube are the vods

>>13167537
>Of course, this is only a downside if you're in some third world shithole with bad internet.
That's not a downside.

>>13167613
The optimal path is to dual-platform. Stream on twitch for growth, then upload VODs on youtube. Or just clips. Self-made clips are fine too.

If you can be successful on youtube, then you'd always want to stream on youtube. Twitch takes a 50% cut, while youtube takes 30%

Twitch is for streaming. YouTube is for hosting videos.
Vtubers are only called that because the original vtubers weren't even streamers, but video creators.

I watch a lot of Twitch streamers and appreciate the stream experience with low latency chat but Youtube is solely better for the fact that their devs are not actively trying to break adblockers like Twitch is.

Also its probably a culture thing rather than a platform thing but I prefer how Hololive streams on YT reads donations at the end and there's no TTS or "spend X channel points to play a funny sound", for a better viewer experience.

>>13167331
you're right, anon. that's my only reason for not watching twitch streams. oh my poor data. that's why i will stick to youtube

>>13167304
youtube chat sucks balls fuck you

>>13167653
Partnered streamers get better than a 50% cut, and for bit donations the cut is also 30%. You'll generally get more subscribers on Twitch than memberships on YouTube, since Twitch offers emotes you can use globally while it's limited to your own channel on YouTube.

>>13167039
Want to start as a Vtuber?
>Twitch
Already have a big following?
>Youtube

Streaming in youtube without a large following is a literal death sentence since the algorithm recommends channels depending on watch time

>>13167039
twitch is shit and everyone who uses it is a nigger dick sucking faggot

Fuck it, how do I create a video uploading/streaming platform. And don’t tell me if you don’t know how to don’t even try, one without rules except all content be 16+ and everything is permitted except explicit sexual content

Twitch/youtube are essentially an ad delivery platforms at this point lol

>>13167039
>twitch
>cant play games using sounds otherwise you get banned
>youtube
>you can
End of thread

>>13167743
>Youtube [...] devs are not actively trying to break adblockers
Wut? Every few months I suddenly start getting ads for a day or two until the blocker devs find a workaround.

>>13167828
Step 1: have billions of dollars.
>>13167856
Outright false.

>>13167783
use hyperchat
your own fault

>>13167743
>there's no TTS or "spend X channel points to play a funny sound", for a better viewer experience.
I don't think all twitch vtubers do that.

>>13167873
Sounds like a (You) problem. I have uBlock Origin and have never gotten an ad from Youtube since when I first installed it 5+ years ago.

>>13167893
If you don't get banned you get your stream muted. Large amounts of sfx are copyrighted and they shit people for. What's the point of streaming a game if you can't have its music or sfx playing.

>>13167919
Most of them do, smaller streamers live and die by chat interaction and that's an easy way of facilitating it. I'm not sure if there's third party support for it for YouTube.
>>13168014
The VoD gets partially muted, on YouTube if there's a claim the VoD gets taken down altogether, I believe video takedowns were the last straw for Koopa when she switched to Twitch.

>>13167893
I legit have money what do I do now?

>>13168123
How the fuck should I know? I just shitpost about vtubers on imageboards.

>>13167039
I just stick to youtube because I can watch stuff that is not related to streamers at the same time

twitch:
>bans you when your chat is naughty
>bans you for your actions outside streaming
>bans you if your 2d avatar have visible nape
>bans you if music in game is copyrighted
>bans you if game you are playing have racism or nazi symbols even in context of game placed in WW2
I mean, we live in clown world, so YouTube also doesn't promote last 2 points, but they aren't straight up baning you, but you are losing monetization.
Twitch will bleed viewers for YouTube in next years. They've had monopoly for too long and that made them retarded

>>13168123
You hire the people with the know-how. Because you're not some big company, you can probably start small, aim for being able to support 5000 - 10000 active watchers across all streams, which would require a sizable amount of resources on its own. If it takes off, continue scaling. You're not likely to explode unless you get picked up by a large corporation.

>>13168220
ESL

>>13168220
>bans you when your chat is naughty
>bans you for your actions outside streaming
lol cool rrats

>>13167828
GNU MediaGoblin

Why do you fags keep making this shitty comparison thread every fucking day!! Just fucking die, you don't deserve life.

>>13168220
I would say you're really underselling the demonization on YouTube. Copyright trolls are a legit thing there and stuff like swearing in the first minute can auto demonitize you. Not even going into the huge headache of trying to solve something if something happens to your channel if you don't have clout to yell about it on Twitter.

>>13168114
I have no idea who that is and don't care but copyright strikes don't occur that often either. Eitherway my point was about around sound in vidya and you aren't getting striked for that on youtube.

>>13168517
>you aren't getting striked for that on youtube
But you are.

>>13168220
youtube: bans you because an AI decided to

>>13168316
HAHAHAHA, fuck you retard. This is well known. If people say nigger in your chat and you happen to miss it and not moderate it, that's a bannable offense.
Also the bans for offstream actions thing is well known. People got banned for having the wrong opinions offstream.
All of this is well documented.
I'd take Susan's stupid AI bots over Twitch pedo troon furry admins any day.

>>13167039
Twitch chat is the biggest cancer I've ever seen

>>13168688
If it's so well known, why can't you provide an example of someone posting "nigger" in a Twitch chat, it being missed, and the streamer being banned for it? What about an example of off-stream behaviour? It's well documented so it shouldn't be hard for you.

Youtube for now until Twitch has a feature like premium without ads. Fuck ads on mobile phones, also youtube vanced gave my phone aids.

>>13168698
Youtube chats are flooded with children and BRs. There's no winning.

>>13168815
Still worlds better than 2000 frogs per minute + bits + ascii + other copypaste spam on twitch

>>13168866
it's really not desu. I don't think you've seen what I have.

>>13168866
Nothing is worse than SEAniggers. And you can control spammers on any platform. Go watch some 2views slowly building their audience up in twitch and you'll see how chat cultures can be cultivated.

>>13168813
What's the problem with Vanced? Just curious

>>13169027
>Watching with your phone

>>13168777
https://www.wired.com/story/twitch-off-platform-policy-harassment/
https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/twitch-streamer-permanently-banned-for-not-moderating-their-viewers-1506219/

Alright now what faggot?

>>13169158
Well for starters, you need better reading comprehension, ESL-kun.

>>13169233
Are you one of those pedophile troon twitch employees or something? I don't know why anyone would stoop this low to defend the platform.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akDHyKm7kk0

tldr.
If you are small/beginner creator creator twitch is more friendly to monetize early.
If you are a medium/big creator youtube revenue is far superior since it has better share rates and ways to monetize.
youtube has better discoverability but also need to be more careful with the AI and algorithm

Bottom line. Multi stream and dont be a twitch affiliate and see where it takes you and decide for a platfrom where you find the most succes.

why don't just both, I remember that can stream on two platform at the same time, doesn't it ?

>>13169275
I just don't like you SEAniggers.

>>13169420
For twitch monetization you need to agree to an exclusivity contract that doesn't allow you to upload any of your content to another platform for at least 24 hours.

>>13167039
youtube, better loading for me .
I don’t care about anything else other than my loading withshit internet.
All other factors are thrown in the trash, my convenience above all, even other people’s conveniences and inclines.

>>13167039
If Hololive EN was in Twitch. Gura would be getting 20k+ even on debuff games

Niji Lazulight would be getting 5k+ consistently

>>13169476
And they'd be at the mercy of twitch troons banning them because they don't like anime girls because of "patriarchy or something". While twitch thots can break every rule under the sun.

>>13167809
Comes down to this. Some guys that put videos out also stream, so when enough people subscribe to them then it is a larger pool of people that get notified of their streams. Saw Decino pull 800~900 viewers on his Sunder play through due to building up his channel over the years. Seems to be the most effective way to do it as an indie on YouTube is to create videos over a long period of time and then start streaming. The other way is to join a corpo like Hololive or Nijisanji.

Otherwise stick to Twitch.

>>13169476
>Niji Lazulight would be getting 5k+ consistently
elira got max 4k
selene got 2.7k

>>13168813
https://www.twitch.tv/turbo

>>13169788
nta, and I personally refuse to bother witch Twitch's bullshit, but let's be real. That's without even being established on the platform, just bringing people over from youtube and pulling in some randos. If they were there from the start, and it was Niji's base of operations, they would have gotten more.

>>13167709
>Yuuchuubas started out full 3D doing skits and concerts
>Got replaced by 2D streamers
>2D streamers get 3D to do skits and concerts

>>13168517
I've literally never heard of someone getting a copyright hit on Twitch for a sound effect. Only DMCA licensed music shit. And even then Twitch has a workaround to let you listen to all the DMCA shit live you want at the cost of not having that audio in the VOD

The community engagement features of Twitch are way better. It's easier to get paypigs to pay when they also believe they are doing a good thing by giving others subs. Also raids are a godsend if you don't have an established audience. Twitch culture is complete cancer but the positives outweigh the negatives.

>>13169556
Holy fucking meds: the post

For a viewer Youtube
For a streamer, Twitch, but you should still put serious effort into building a presence on Youtube as well.

>>13169556

>>13170508
>. Also raids are a godsend if you don't have an established audience
Raids are the only way to get discovered in twitch and the community engagement features are not enough to make bank compared to the total revenue options youtube offers.
is still a more intuitive streaming page but the only thing it has over yt is less cpu consumption for pc some ui features

>>13167039
Comparing Twitch vs Youtube can be summed up as follows: Do you want the desktop audience or the mobile audience?
Now it's evident why /vt/ has such a large number of ESLs and why so many retards here favor Youtube over Twitch.

>>13167039
>youtube
Must pay to put it in the background on a phone
Find a new vtuber, especialy a 2view is almost impossible
A better chat
Habit to use since many years
>twich
You can put it in the background and do other things while listening to a stream
Easy to find a 2view
Chat horrible, maybe I'm too much of a boomer, but it's too flashy, too many things that happend at the same time, and otherthings like "omegalul" or what-a-fuck-is-that are too cringe for me.
Relationship between the streamer and viewers are too much. Like I love a zatsudan stream, but when viewers ask specific things to the streamer when playing (a redeem or something like that I think?), it's too strange for me.

>>13170657
Nice reddit meme friend. Have some updoots.

>>13170707
It actually really bothers me how many phoneposters there are. Why the fuck would you do that to yourself? You don't have anywhere to go. Go watch shit on your computer like a normal self-respecting person.

>>13170715
>Easy to find a 2view
how?
the only way to find a 2view is to search it DIRECT name or hope she is streaming while searching the tag and still is not guarateed to show up.
youtube sidebar recommendation is just better.

>>13170869
Here, all the 2views you could ever want.
https://www.twitch.tv/directory/all/tags/52d7e4cc-633d-46f5-818c-bb59102d9549?sort=VIEWER_COUNT_ASC

>>13170869
Eh ? There is a tag 'vtuber' and you have all the streamer that are streaming right now when you search it, so it is definitely more easy.

>>13170869
>Have a game I want to watch
>Type in game
>Click game
>Scroll to anyone streaming right now
I have never been recommended a new vtuber through YouTube through recommendations on my front page or suggestions off of a video I'm currently watching.

>>13170986
>>13170991
that is exaclt the problem
it will only find the ones LIVE.
that why the discoverability of twitch sucks balls and you need to stream 8hrs a day just for people to find you.
if i search vtuber+drawing tags it will only show 27 people
if i type vtuber drawing stream on youtube i will get all the streams all these vtubers have ever done specially if you check by date
That is why twitch discoverability suck balls.

Youtube chat can be cancer, but Twitch chat faggots are leagues more unbearable.

>>13170869

>>13167039
The optimal path is multistreaming to both Twitch and Youtube if you're small, use YT for VODs and YouTube Shorts to play the algorithm, and constantly point everyone to your Twitch and Twitter for schedule posts and stream alerts.
After you've gained a large following it becomes more difficult, but generally YouTube is the better bet both monetization and discoverability wise. Once you've gained favor in the algo you need to prioritize that momentum.
Also Twitch streams tend to have shit like pic related happen more often in my experience, so there's that too.

>>13171161
Try here
https://www.twitch.tv/search?term=vtuber&type=videos

>>13167039
two globalist corporations.

>>13171161
Ho I see, well when I am on twitch or youtube, that is because I have time right now, so I want to have a look at those that are streaming right now. And if no one of those that I look usually are streaming, then I search someone I don't know who are streaming.
There is no sens to find someone who stream when I can't look, even if she is super good, and in this case twitch is much better than youtube.

>>13171161
>>13171323
Here's vtuber drawing even
https://www.twitch.tv/search?term=vtuber%20drawing&type=videos

>>13171323
Delete this.

>>13167039
>do you prefer dog shit or cat shit?
I wish Mixer was still a thing and Microsoft didn't just give up on it. It wasn't the best but at least it made for some competition and an alternative to these two shitholes.

>>13171323
>>13171471
nice no nexistant filters and also needing to go form the follwoing page ratehr than the main searchbar. You are now undertsanding why discoverability suck ass
>>13171406
it is not about you or me, is about being able to discover new channels even if they are not on at the time of a search.
twitch has always sucked at that, people need to do things outside of twitch to get discovered
https://youtu.be/akDHyKm7kk0?t=845
And they have spent 0 cetns on trying to improve that

>>13171744
>needing to go form the follwoing page ratehr than the main searchbar
but that WAS from the main searchbar at the top of the website.
It will send you to this page:
https://www.twitch.tv/search?term=vtuber%20drawing
you just then need to scroll to the bottom of the page and click show more videos, then show all videos.

>>13171995
There is no point arguing with phoneposters.

>>13167304
>better qualit
?

>>13171995
>you just then need to scroll to the bottom of the page and click show more videos, then show all videos.
if i click on any if the videos then it doesn't recommend anything related to that initial search until i search it again and is still lacking ways to filter by date, lenght, popularity,etc.Youtube system is just superior since it recomends both 2views,the main channel you just click in and big ones based on the clicks you did.
Again the video sums it up. You are undiscovered and any successful twitch channel was a youtube,insta or tik tok account to make up for it. it has always been twitch biggest problem fro small creators, the only saving grace is it is easier for 2views to get monetized compared to yt

>>13172227
nta but Youtube allows you to livestream presumably up to 4k. I've done 1440p before for testing.
They also don't have an explicit bitrate cap as far as I know, since they transcode the stream regardless. I did my 1440p60 stream using 25000kbps video encode settings, because why not.
Twitch limits you to 1080p and has a 6000kbps limit which honestly isn't actually good enough for high motion 1080p60 live.

>>13171323
>https://www.twitch.tv/search?term=vtuber%20drawing
>6 past videos shown first
>4 are from 2 days ago
>3 belong to the same channel
>2 from 3 days ago
the fuck are these search results.
no fucking way there were no drawing streams yesterday

>>13168517
Youtube its way more common lol its just you as a viewer don't get to see anything happen, the content creator just loses all ad revenue from each video that gets striked.

>>13172448
What you're talking about isn't the same thing as the problem >>13170869 was having. I showed him how he can find 2views on twitch. What you're talking about is a creator's problem rather than a viewer's problem.

>>13172802
it is both's problem. Having the user search random channels isnt an issue for both but what channels are displayed becomes and issue since.
Specially since the whole context of the discussion is pros vs cons of both platfroms.

>>13167039
If you're some random nobody and needing to build initial numbers, then you turn to Twitch. Otherwise, you make regular YouTube videos to generate those initial numbers in YouTube.

>>13167783
It might not be if you look at it from technological perspective but the chat culture is waayyyy better

>>13173178
for us yes, but for the masses of normies people still prefer twitch chat culture even if is a psam fest. The custome emotes just give them an edge to be more expresive.

YouTube cuz i can put it on my PS3 while jacking off

>>13167709
I somewhat miss this style

>>13167039
Twitch culture is absolutely disgusting. I can't watch a stream without looking at the chat and feeling like I've hit rock bottom.

>>13173694
chats are the same for big streamers on both platforms, unbearable.

>>13167828
Anon, i'm a /g/entooman, i closely follow the free software community, they still use Youtube, if you can't get the type of person who libreboots thinkpads to switch to alternatives, you won't get your average Joe to do so

lmao v ded jo

>>13167039
There's not debate for "streaming" as main content, that's Twitch speciality and it's miles ahead still. If you do scripted short content of course Youtube is better, if you're mixed idk I guess either work.
The best is like Chibidoki did, stream on Twitch and have all the rest of the content on Youtube, her own channel is a higlight/clip channel of her streams and it works very well, using both plateforms at their best.

>>13173314
no one but people here would call twitch a "normie" thing, Youtube is the normie site everyone use and know, Twitch is for nerds, most people don't even understand what streaming is, only people heavily on internet or playing videogames a lot know about twitch

>>13173178
Clearly you didn't go to smaller chats, you're comparing the emoji spam you saw in some clips of huge twitch channels to whatever you watch on Youtube.
Check big youtube streams and the chat is a spam of nonsense too, check small twitch chat like indies and it's nice, each small chat is its own culture and "twitch culture" is a meme that at best apply to the few huge streams and that's all

>>13168698
Chats of big streamers are garbage regardless of the website. Because you saw some clips or huge stream and decided it was everywhere like that doesn't make your delusions reality. Chats like gura's one are just as bad.

>>13171161
Why would I want to find channels not live? Streams are mostly interesting because they're live, little point bothering with VODs not even having any production value.
And despite that you can still find channels and VOD in resutls on Twitch, just less priority than live. It's exactly why Youtube is such useless garbage with 0 discoverability, people searching will just find video and channels instead of the one thing that matters : lives

>>13171744
Discoverability is literally THE biggest advatnage of Twitch vs youtube for streamers

>>13171233
On both sites the chat is garbage if you watch big streamers. On both sites smaller channels/indies have each their own local culture and completely unrelated to what you think the "culture" of each website is.

>>13171088
Serious question, who the fuck does that?
I never EVER in my life thought "oh I'd like to watch x game, I'll search for someone streaming" or "I want to watch someone drawing" or "I'm in the mood for a zatsudan". It's always "streamer x is live, I'll check her".
I never heard of people watching random 2view streamers just because of what is being streamed instead of being interested on the streamer as a person.

>>13167828
https://aws.amazon.com/ivs/
i think you can use this, but i'm not very good with technology. i just remember seeing it mentioned before as amazon selling/renting out twitch tech.

>>13177883
Shhhhh you're not supposed to point out that chat ""culture"" isn't inherit to a website but is dictated by the streamer!
You have to pretend like every twitch chat is like Forsen's, it's the one cope YTfags have left...

Twitch is the better streaming platform but since we're partly a /v/ colony we're filled with anons that hate the site despite never even using it.

>>13167039
Bilibili

>All those EN startups that so desperately want to be Hololive that their creators don't do any research into which streaming platform would be more conducive to positive growth.
It's almost painful to watch.

>>13173178
>>13167304
>emote spam is bad
>people writing thousands of who the fuck cares paragraphs is good
Emotes just give chat a way to react to what is happening in the stream without needing to write an essay. Once a chat has a certain amount of chatters it becomes too much to read even simple sentences.

>>13173694
It's a retarded meme people parrot here.
Chat is the same on either site, most people just go to the site the vtuber they like use, and aren't as tribalistic as the anons here.
Chat depends on the streamer and size, of course big streams like more than 5k-20K+ viewers often have unusable chat, but indies can have very nice chat (on each site).
Emoji spam is fine when there are so many people you can't have any form of discussion anyway, so it's better to get an overall feeling about the chat, rather than everyone writing complete sentences no one will read. For smaller streamers, actual chatting is possible, youtube or twitch.

>>13167331
>not having unlimited data for twitch
What a shithole

>>13167908
>youtube has better chat
>have to use a third party application
no

>>13167331
Disgusting language

>>13171161
you're talking with retards who have never tried being a content creator in their lives, stop trying to introduce logic to the conversation. 4chan and especially the retards on /vt/ will never know what it's like to be a streamer. they're all just viewers who fap to vshojo.

>>13168698
Depends on the streamer. The problem is that on twitch emote spam is normalized and even encouraged by big streamers and the platform itself.

I literally can't think of a single reason to stream on Twitch instead of Youtube.
All the features Twitch has but Youtube doesn't are currently in development (tips, raid, membership donantion...etc). Twitch ad system is worse than Youtube. Your VODs are better categorized/You don't need to reupload your VODs. The chat is better, there's a rewind feature, you can stream with more bitrate...

Can someone enlighten me?

>>13181512
as a chuuba, the psychological benefit of smaller and faster "wins" that help keep you motivated to continue streaming is why i'm on twitch. i've tried streaming on youtube doing all the things everyone says to do. zero viewers, zero chatters, 6 second average views on my videos.

switched to twitch and am now sitting at 70 viewers after just 5 months steadily growing around 10-12 viewers each month. if i didn't have these small victories, i wouldn't have made it the 5 months from just the demotivation alone.

Twitch's UI is complete garbage outside of the stream channel's live broadcast page, and that page is only good in theater mode.

twitch is dogshit, it's just full of faggots that call people "normies" while being the biggest normalfags on the planet

>>13167039
>used to stream on ustream in 140p at 10 fps with a $1k PC, setting up several virtual audio cables so I can stream both voice and in-game sound
Making streaming more user friendly was a mistake

>>13170321
Can literally google it
https://www.nme.com/en_au/news/gaming-news/twitch-streamers-are-getting-dmca-strikes-for-in-game-sound-effects-2817645

>>13167039
twitch

Even if twitch has better game integration, it’s far more retarded than youtube.

>>13182362
>>13182594
>>13189274
imagine being this fucking salty over a site that you don't even use

>>13167039
>what's better for streaming?
the capture software

>>13169465
that was only in older contracts, Twitch jannies don't give a shit about that anymore

>>13169556
if that was true Vshojo would never be a thing on Twitch

Why do retards on herepretend every Twitch chat is like Forsen's?
It tells you've never been on the site in the first place and are just sucking Susan's cock for free

>>13189951
it's the fucking internet, what did you expect. it's where the dumbest of retards all walk around confidently and proudly shouting their lack of knowledge and understanding.

I like Twitch's website more than Youtube's, and I like YouTube's app more than Twitch's. As for the communities, it's basically the same one in a different platform.

>>13189778
https://www.twitch.tv/p/en/legal/affiliate-agreement/
It looks like it's still there.

>>13167039
>Also recomendations are better on youtube
Why the fuck do I keep getting right wing propaganda when I look up a hololive or nijsanji girl with no cookies then?

People always forget the other numbers side of things

>Youtube active daily users: 122 million
>Twitch active daily users: 30 million

If you get comparable viewers on both platforms its not strange that you would opt for the one that is 4 times the size.

>>13190855
audience overlap

>>13191006
So you all like that sniper whore who does the 'cock goes where?' face for all her reaction videos?

You all disgust me.

>>13190855
>Why the fuck do I keep getting right wing propaganda
because your shadow profile fits the demographic of people who click on and interact with right wing propaganda. cookies are ancient and youtube barely uses them anymore for tracking.

>>13191086
But I've always actively avoided it? Sounds like youtube is just shilling their shit.

>>13191150
whatever retarded millennial justification you want to delude yourself to help you sleep at night. the algorithm rarely gets things wrong and you're not special enough for it to trip up.

>>13191266
You sound sure for a shill. Your algorithm is broken or intentionally shilling right wing shit when you search vtubers.

Anon, they know your region, your browser fingerprint, your IP address (if you didn't change it), among other things
If you're getting a lot of shit it means those other people in your area are looking for the same thing
Look how heavily location skews results
I don't even speak Chinese

>>13191721
oh you're one of those republican "muh freedumb" faggots who think they're being sly by not using an account.

>>13167651
Vshojo lives off this model.

Chaturbate has a better streaming platform than Youtube.

>>13167039
Twitch to grow your viewerbase.
Once you can consistently hit triple digits, move over.
A HUGE downside of Twitch is the assumption that people are only there for in-the-moment interactions hence why VODs get deleted and there's no comments, community posts etc.
At the same time, people go on there actively looking for the vtuber tag so if you have no audience then Twitch is the better option.

>>13171253
The UI is glitched. The results you are seeing are for the recent page, not the live page.

I really wish Nijisanji use Twitch to stream and only use Youtube for VOD and clips.

I've seen streaming gurus like Devin Nash trying to push streamers to move to YouTube.
Nevermind the fact that the site is a fucking graveyard for streaming, particularly for gaming.
If you're an indie chuuba, you're buried thanks to the algorithm only showing corporates, mostly hololive.
YT is a fucking waste of time, if you're a nobody streamer. But people are so desperate for a trick, that they waste tons of their time investing into YT.

I really don't see why people think its that complicated

As a streaming platform twitch is objectively better for discovery and has better tools available to streamers.
People still use youtube despite this solely because of
>regional blocks / popularity
>storage of other videos (such as longer lasting VODs, or more importantly music videos and shorts)
If you're using youtube for any reason besides those 2 you're doing it wrong. And even if you use it for vod storage just do it like vshojo (and most streamers) do it and just mirror the vods over to youtube once you're done.

>>13167039
youtube looks nice twitch looks disgusting

>>13167039
yt for sure man

>>13167908
hyperchat is TRASH for live stuff, it pre-caches messages so they arrive like 5 seconds after they are usually shown, it's not the dev's fault, it's shitty YT pajeet programmers

>>13167039
both are great but for considerably different audiences, but let me tell you, YT has the advantage on some aspects and this is what you would need to outperform twitch
>better chat
add the option to remove user pictures, improve performance and give more control to moderators/owners
>update the player on PC
theather mode fucking sucks, chat layout for live sucks
>add the popular "clips" to another tab on channels
there's literally no point for the existing clip feature if you have to manually share them to get discovered, niggers already have shorts, use that to put user-created clips on someone else feed
>the gaming section sucks
revive youtube gaming or at least have a space dedicated to games, twitch frontpage is very important

>>13207554
>theather mode fucking sucks
At least this can be fixed with 7TV: https://7tv.app

>>13185210
That was during the DMCA shit they initially had troubles with. It's been fixed and hasn't happened since. Youtube meanwhile can live strike you for music playing.

>>13168866
i hate twitch and all the deer genderbender queer faggots defending it, but man i miss le toucan and hitler spam

>>13191266
>been clicking "never show again" on each and every R*BY video recommendation for several years already
>YouTube still thinks it's a good idea to recommend them to me

As much as I hate JewTube and everything they do, I will NEVER use Twitch and I have no respect for people who use Twitch.

Fuck you, Kana.

YouTube is simply twice as good as Twitch for the streamer.

Twitch
> 30 million daily active users
> 107,800 live Twitch broadcasts are going on at any given time
The average streamer has 23 viewers.

YouTube:
> 2 billion logged-in monthly users
> 38 million channels
The average channel has 53 viewers

>>13213246
>The average channel has 53 viewers
Got any source for that? Seriously, though. For Twitch, there's SullyGnome, but Youtube analytics is mostly focused on subscribers, views and likes instead of concurrent users.

>>13167039
Twitch is better for milking paypigs. Youtube is better for the viewers.

>>13178610
>proceeds to be raided by poggers

I dread the day Youtube adds gifted memberships and my oshi bumps member-only community posts up a tier.

>>13168000
Trips of truth. Anyways youtube doesn't specifically circumvent adblockers, but they do incidenally break them when they change stuff.

>>13167039
For me. Having the easily accessibility of going to previous streams for Youtube is much superior to me. I have shit most of the time when people stream so its nice to know it's there and I can pause for however long and jump in whenever.
Twitch you have to click like 7 things and scroll a bunch before you can find a video and fuck what you were watching if they start live streaming again.

>>13192293
>Not using burner accounts, constantly changing browesers and always changing your IP.
All you've shown is you don't delete your cookies and you're going to welcome your Chinese overlords.

>>13213466
https://backlinko.com/youtube-users

>>13207554
The clips feature was never meant for becoming a "famous" clipfaggot, the views the clip receives goes directly to the video's view count

reminder these threads are watched by Bezos shills. Take all questionable unjustified opinions with a grain of salt.

>>13220291
Only retards or newfags don't know this. Similar to how Jacob samefags on /a/, but Bezos only needs to push his platform, and not even to make it look good, but to make it look not as shitty as youtube.

>>13190888
>4x the users
>viewer count suppression is so bad you still get bigger visible numbers on twitch
Nothing like seeing a stream with "6k" viewers roll right into 150k views on the archive

>>13221547
On the other hand, you have twitch inflating numbers, which is a known trick there. As to what factor, nobody knows, though some speculate that it's proportional to your actual viewers

Whenever I read someone saying 'the numbers appear lower on my favorite platform than they really are and they're inflated on the one I don't watch' it just comes across as the most pathetic cope

>>13222005
>the numbers appear lower on my favorite platform
Except it's a fact. Not even just from big vtubers, all of them were hit when Susan implemented her changes on December.

>>13168667
Pick your poison
>>13168316
Amazon shill, there's a literal "do not ban" list on Twitch and the people that decide streamers' fates are Indian tier simps and outright sexual predators

>>13221547
>>13221725
Fake viewers don't pay. Youtube can say you have 10 viewers but if you have 1000 members, who cares? The live view count doesn't matter except to boost your ego.

This thread again?