/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Kiara is based

>>13455166
That AmongUs collab put her in the neutral for me. I watched some of her recent streams and I realized she's probably just a little autistic. And you know, I am too. So I can't fault her for that.

Kiara is pretty alright.

>>13455166
She hasn't done anything retarded in a while.

>>13455166
I hated her, now I don't. I don't like her either. I just focus on my oshi nowadays, and avoiding English as much as possible, after knowing that, it's a different experience to watch JP only, both stream and translated clips.

>>13455166
I like her, but I simply don't have time to watch her.

>>13455166
Never hated her to begin with

>>13455166
She used to get over 10k CCV reading supechats, now she gets 2k, 4-6k when playing her jrpgs. I guess people just don't care enough about her anymore to be antis.

>>13455166
There's not much shit happening with her to be seething about. KFPs /here/ must be glad that it's "peaceful".

Who?

>>13455166
yeah I like her now, I've been putting all my energy on hating someone else

>>13455306
Ywnbj

>>13455166
Orange woman good.

Never hated her, but I ended up getting kind of bored of her. I found her endearing when she was an underdog trying to make a name for herself but nowadays she feels obnoxiously loud and bossy. She still has her moments but I don't follow her as avidly anymore.

she's basically awful in every single way. I just try to pretend she doesn't exist. I don't even watch hololive anymore anyway.

Tenchou has always been my favorite EN, but this board seems to hate her less.
Ina, my second favorite EN, now gets some hate despite been the most well-liked and having next to no antis. Gura, I think, is top dog currently, but ironically her fanbase isn't.
I used to be a staunch Mori anti, but since council debuted, she has bloomed; more energy during streams, took on the senpai role well, isn't deadweight in collabs anymore and now speaks and participates.
And then there is Ame, who is easily the most disliked currently despite seeminly suffering from burnout.

I'd probably be kfp if not for the chikin voice. Maybe one day she'll pull a Snuffy and drop it.

Eggman moved on to making Ayame and Pomu anti threads

>>13455250
>anon is autistic
Anti threads for anon when you little bitch

>>13455166
>we
>he needs board approval to like someone
pathetic

>>13455828
Ame is completely fine, in fact she's been doing great the last few weeks, but the shitposting roulette landed on her.
The sheer amount of teamates on this board doesn't help

Don't forget, she supports BLM and got blacked by you boy floyd

>>13455166
Was expecting our general to be shit when she collab with my oshi the other day but nothing happened. So she is okay I guess

>>13455166
I mean, compare to the other en, she put the effort. The others seems to be in vacation every days so far.

On one hand I'd watched her Alice streams and felt like she'd dialed it back, which is appreciated. On the other I feel like Mori's backslide with TT made me appreciate her more.

>>13455166
yeah

she's a legitimately terrible person and it's actually sad that so many people are tricked by her

always liked her, she loves hololive

>>13455166
Watched some of her streams when she was really new since I thought it was exciting that she spoke German like me. She was so cringey with my language and that really made me despize her.
Didn't see much of her afterwards since I don't watch much HoloEN in the 1st place, so yeah, why shit on someone you don't even see?

>>13455956
Based.

>>13455166
No point in wasting energy on something you don't like.

>>13456106
>despize

>>13456218
They admitted they're ESL already, I don't know what you want from them.

>>13456248
A blowjob.

>>13455166
It's about as possible to anti Kiara now as it is to anti Coco. Any thread will be filled with egg/chink spam.

>>13456348
That's hot.

you don't have to eat hololive's shit you know. They don't have a monopoly on EN speakers. There's lots of other companies out there.

>>13455166
Myth wouldn't be the same without her and she brings a hyper girly energy the others can't compete with. She's got a very warm, emotional personality while everyone else is very cool-tempered.

>>13456416
You're not going to dethrone Hololive, little chinese boy.

/vt/ moved on to hating someone else.

>>13455166
I had no reason to hate her in the first place and her friendship with Pomu is sweet, those first couple months where the board was spammed with chicken threads was annoying but I never heald that against KFP since I'm not a retard.

>>13456695
I don't think so, honey.

>>13455306
Congrats anon. You are Japanese.

>>13456689
I know you're basically a dickrider who only watches what's popular, instead of what you enjoy watching.

I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to other people who might want to watch something other than woke lesbians and voice-changer trannies.

>>13455166
Council was so disappointing that no one could make fun of Kiara anymore, she is far better than what we could have gotten

>>13455166
no

>>13455166
Who cares what the board thinks, who cares what any particular thread thinks, who cares what the any site on the internet thinks.
Form your own goddamn opinion, stop trying to seek validation from the average internet nobody.

>>13455166
>we

>>13456695
Nina is professional and hasn't done anything anti-worthy since the Coco mishap. If anyone is the new target it's Ayame, for whatever reason.

>>13455828
Ame just had a kino 3D vr collab with Roboco, hating her now for a shitty statement like ''I'm not going to play pokemon'' is pretty much retardation and falseflagging.
Also about her burnout it's pretty much a circle now where she have really good weeks like halloween combined with bland weeks. I think just 1 week is not enough to correct her desu

>>13455166
No, I just do my best effort in blocking her out of my mind.

>>13457379
>Ame just had a kino 3D vr collab with Roboco, hating her now for a shitty statement like ''I'm not going to play pokemon'' is pretty much retardation and falseflagging
Teakeks have a hell of a strange attitude. She fucks up on the weekly and every time she does a decent stream afterwards they demand antis "kneel". Amelia can be as "le creatividad" as she wants, it doesn't make her continued attitude and failures magically go away.
Former member, BTW.

>>13457297
>If anyone is the new target it's Ayame, for whatever reason.
Because she is not streaming since almost 2 months ago, even Haachama indefinite hiatus lasted less.

>>13456695
After her birthday stream yesterday most actual /nijiEN/ regulars no longer hate her

>>13457468
Isn't that normal for her? I don't get why people are treating it as a new thing. Not that it excuses the behavior.

>>13457452
Literally my next sentence was how about her state was a circle when she have pretty good weeks and pretty meh weeks, never said otherwise anon. It's just that this inconsistency is damaging more than benefiting hence the reason why her ccv is reclining.

>>13457599
The problem came when she reached 1M subs and people were flooding her with akasupas despite not being active while other members suffers a lot when they take breaks, this difference triggered a lot of anons lately

>>13457379
>I'm not going to play pokemon
Amelia Watson is the most based HololiveEN member and global is a retarded place for hating her.

>>13457685
>global is a retarded place for hating her
Huh? It's literally /ameg/.

>>13455166
I moved onto hating the Ina. Kiara is a lot of things but she does appreciate her fans. The gook doesn't.

>>13455166
Kiara's antis thought they could bully her into having menhara breakdowns forever, but she's grown mentally strong to the point that she doesn't have menhara breakdowns anymore and her antis can no longer get a rise out of her at all. They also thought they could make people hate her by roommate posting but it just made her more popular. So 99% of the antis have simply given up. The remaining 1% keep trying to menhara bait her because they're too retarded to realize the menhara bait stopped working.

>>13457685
hololive english

Gawr Gura -- fantastic and talented of course.
Amelia watson -- Mostly inoffensive, but can be very annoying and whiny. Also apparently getting burned out and having depression issues.
Ina -- Hates her fans.
Mori -- Intense cringe, white girl wanting to be a rapper. Terrible.
Kiara -- Literally nails on a chalkboard, all kinds of awful.
IRYS -- terrible model. Haven't ever watched her but people do say some nice things. Apparently she is hired through nepotism and they create an entire new branch just for her. Hired as a "singer" yet isn't good at singing.

Council
Fauna -- Mostly alright, no issue with her. But she is kind of boring, and her ASMR isn't very good.
Baelz -- Awful mangled english girl, don't watch.
Kronii -- Clock with a c--ck
Mumei -- Quiet and boring, and legitimately dumb.
Sana -- More mangled english, lazy and bad streamer with a terrible model.


A couple of these are worth watching. But what people don't realize is that there's literally thousands of vtubers out there. There are better people that are actually worth your time. But if you're a numberfag and hololive-only you will never know about them.

kiara antis have continued to embarrass themselves to the point they've probably been shitposted out of existence.
probably just ayame/pomu/ina/sana/mori antis now, whatever flavour of the month chuuba will net them the most (you)s

>>13457871
>Apparently she is hired through nepotism and they create an entire new branch just for her. Hired as a "singer" yet isn't good at singing.

How can you tell that amount of lies in just 1 sentence?

yea she's okay
ollie is the only holo on my shit list

>>13457871
sana was also a nepotism hire

>>13458002
probably steeled by character limit

She’s gotten better for sure, especially since she stopped pandering to takamori shippers. The chicken voice still is a bit of a turn off though and Sparks is a terrible song.

>>13457871
>thinks Cover created a new branch for IRyS
>thinks he can't say the word cock on 4chan
>complains about mangled English while clearly being ESL
I don't know where you're from faggot but you have to go back.

>>13455166
I spent the entirety of my afternoon yesterday watching and transcribing the first episode of Holotalk she did word for word. Ended up documenting every time she interrupted Marine, every time she talked over Marine, every time she ignored Marine's points, every time she turned the conversation towards her, and the one especially bad time where she shouted over Marine while Marine was pouring her heart out. I am putting actual physical effort into not hating her at this point and brother let me tell you it is fucking difficult. Did the one thing KFP begs everyone to do when egg threads pop up and "just watched her" and guess what? It's all true. I'm gonna do episode 2 today and I am not looking forward to it.

>>13457297
>If anyone is the new target it's Pomu, for whatever reason.
ftfy

>>13458394
Based

>>13458394
>every time she interrupted Marine, every time she talked over Marine, every time she ignored Marine's points, every time she turned the conversation towards her, and the one especially bad time where she shouted over Marine while Marine was pouring her heart out
Based Kiara.

>>13458560
Ayame and Pomu anti threads are mostly just ironic shitposting. The real schizos moved on to Ame because they think she's vulnerable.

>>13458394
Take your meds

No one cares about the only person in HoloEN that gets less than 1k subs a day. Not even worth hating.
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCHsx4Hqa-1ORjQTh9TYDhww/subscribers

Antis look sillier than her and are more annoying. Prime example is that shitty /here/ tuber who made a dox joke and got hammered for it.

>>13455166
As the fervor around Hololive in general has slowed down, so has the old shitposting. Even Council doesn't get as many bait threads as before.
The primary shitposting targets have now moved to NijiEN and Vshojo. Today in particular, Vshojo drama has enveloped the board. Kiara shitposting is just old news now, and people have moved on.

>>13459167
Sana...

Hi I'm shitposter. I don't post Kiara threads since they don't give me (You)s anymore. Pomu and Selen run their course also. I'm thinking of going back at ame but I was already shitposting with her a a month ago. Give me someone to shit post with /vt/.

KFP got too cocky
oh no no no
>>1370569

>>13459749
>digging up dead posts from god knows what time period
Its over.

>>13457871
It's really fucking weird that both nepotism hires are my actual favorite holos

>>13455166

All the hate threads were because she acted like a fucking retard

They were there for a good reason, not because people "just hate her"

She stopped being such an imbecile so people stopped hating, its that simple

This nigger OP is legitimally like

>Um where are the hate thread guys? did you finally changed your mind about her? did you finally recognize shes a good chubba and u were just jealous of her?

No nigger shes just beeing acting less retarded, thats why people stop caring about her

>>13460400
how can you infer that? could be a kiara anti for all we know.

She's good at avoiding yabs and antis kept latching onto really petty shit for too long.
They dug their own grave.

Way easier targets out there to push drama out of.

>>13460783
>She's good at avoiding yabs
I think its the contrary of that, thats why people used to shit on her all the time

>>13460883
I just mentioned that the "yabs" were made out of really petty and insignificant things, which ended up going against the antis' credibility. Others were doing way worse shit all the time on the side.

>>13460883
People attacked her because they disliked her personality or because they were hangover antis from pre-Hololive, not because she ever did anything particularly controversial. She’s pretty professional and most of the ‘yabs’ were contrivances of people already holding a vendetta.

>>13455166
the schizos got bored, decided to obsess over ayame's lack of streaming instead.

>>13460334
>They were there for a good reason
>"See you in 6 months"
>OMG SHE HATES PEKORA AND WAS A BITCH IN ENGLISH SO SHE DIDN'T NOTICE
>Turns out she said it in JP first
>Had previously admitted to fucking up collab chances cause of irl shit
Yeah, fantastic reasons

We're just slowly turning into /vtg/ and this place has less room for random bait threads. Shit threads get report bombed because you bumped off some general and their regulars got annoyed.

>>13460883
To be fair, When most "yabs" are stupid shit like >>13461730 it'd be pretty fucking difficult to avoid all of them.

>>13455166
Used to hate her at the start, but no anymore. She's a hard worker and even though she can be kind of annoying sometimes, she genuinely loves hololive and respects its culture. The only ENs deserving of hate is Mori.

>>13457263
Based

>>13455166
She is legitimately awful but there is better stuff to shitpost about

>>13457871
>fantastic and talented of course
U wish chumpedo

>>13455166
her voice still makes me want to kill myself but she genuinely loves hololive and puts in a lot of effort to her content, which is more than can be said for a lot of chuubas

>>13465366
t. deadbeat

>>13457871
any schizo anons that are still bitching about the Ina joke from 2 months ago are probably the neet losers she was talking about desu

>>13455166
She gets things done, but I still don't like her voice or her german abrasiveness.

>>13465366
t. seanig

Honestly, I went from hating her to finding her endearing. But I can’t stand her voice for a long period of time.

Still can't listen to that voice for more than five seconds. Still resent her for not realizing that she's filtering thousands of people from watching her when she's got a great natural voice. It's a bit like Suisei who dropped her high-pitch voice and spiked in popularity after that

>>13468508
Yeah but Suisei had to because of medical reasons, Kiara hasn't reached that spot yet, give it time.

>>13455306
You'll never be Japanese.

I still wanna hate fuck her, but other than that I just ignore her and do my own shit. Out of sight out of mind. At least until /vt/ becomes an orange board again

>>13468508
Waiting for her to finally drop that grating voice of hers. She should honestly just speak normally, her stacy voice sounds so fucking hot.

I liked when she bullied Nyanners for not having any friends

>>13455166
Kson is the anti threads queen now.

>>13455648
I will never be EOP either so what do i have to loose?

>>13468029
I know seeing your girl getting heat sucks takek but let me be honest, if orange woman or pink wigger had said that instead of Ina, this board would have gone completely nuclear for some weeks instead of her getting just some shitposting antis and disappointed gachis.

>I know seeing your girl getting heat sucks takek but let me be honest, if orange woman or pink wigger had said that instead of Ina, this board would have gone completely nuclear for some weeks instead of her getting just some shitposting antis and disappointed gachis.

Her design and voice filtered me hard, and along with the obviously staged takamori yuri baiting I had some fun hating her for a while. While I still find her voice annoying, I've come to realize that most of her problems stem from the fact that she cares way too much. I still won't watch her but I don't really have to desire to hate her these days.

>>13455166
Mori's tt collabs were worse than anything Kiara has done, and Council is worse:
>bae is a piss slut
>Kronii is a menhera poser
>fauna owl and sana have bad rrats

>>13470284
I thought Sana didn’t have a bf? What could possibly be bad about her, her extended break because of her dog?

>>13457871
>mangled english
What do you expect? They're both Australian.

>>13470388
It's the nepotism rrat. No one cares about nepotism if the person chosen does well. Gamers is literally "Fubuki's friends and her friends' friends" and is an S tier gen.
Sana isn't doing well in the numbers department so the nepotism accusation hits harder.

After she finally dropped that Mori shipping shit she became much better.

>Stops acting like an insecure menhera
>People dont talk about it anymore
Are you retarded, kfp?

>>13455166
I did start to appreciate her lately. First I hated her because of /jp/ propaganda but that egocentric behavior of her is really tingling something on me that makes me love her.

>>13457263
based i've always liked kiara even when the hate was full force

>>13470284
what's the piss slut thing about and does fauna really have a bf and how real is the rrat?

>>13473542
>thinking op is kfp
he’s asking if >we hate her now, so it’s more likely he just likes whoever is currently popular on /vt/

>>13470284
>Kronii is a menhera poser
Perfection often breeds jealously.

>>13471118
unironically this, then again Mori doesn't work well with the other myth's in general, she's much better with the counsel's.

>>13474177
&IRyS...

more people found out who the roomate was and realized she has a fat ass.

simps

6 rats one chuba

>>13455166
Nijinigger here. Kiara is unironically the only gen 1 that I like, and I hope she gets her collab with Pomu. I still hate KFPs though

>>13473968
>what's the piss slut thing about
It's from the Ollie Roberu collab that Bae got all wet during. Ollie likes talking about piss and compares it to the charge rifle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gVznmDihrg
In the stream Ollie asks Roberu about his piss:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gVznmDihrg
And after Bae joins the stream, Bae joins in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vIe9akb4j4

>>13475028
Thanks anon, the piss thing doesn't bother me much, still mentions piss less than gura

>>13474868
I love Kiara's collabs, so I am excited for a Pomu collab, only bittersweet thing is that we don't know how long it will take for it to happen as both of them seem to want to do it, but other shit is preventing them.

>>13474868
This collab will be so fucking sweet, they really love each other.

>Only 11IP yet above that says they like her.

KFP........

>>13475663
wanna try that again in English?

>>13476215
Please don't bully the SEAnig, he already lives in a shithole, give him a break anon....

>>13457871
>Gawr Gura -- fantastic
Nice bait retard chumpedo

>>13455166
Her views got slashed by 2/3. I guess plenty of her vocal haters went away with them.

>>13455166
Kiara has been relatively inoffensive lately, while the rest of /vt/ became a target-rich environment. Outside of Hololive, Vshojo, always an easy target, is having major shit go down, and people are shitting on Kson for what she’s done since leaving Hololive. NijiEN has Pomu losing her goddamn mind, Nina being a former SJW, and Selen cannibalizing the rest of the branch’s viewership. If those don’t work, you can say something about Finana’s lack of filter or Rosemi’s past with Tsunderia.
Within Hololive, you’ve still got plenty of targets. JP has Matsuri being menhera and Ayame never streaming, and in ID Ollie is always doing something that someone will find objectionable. Myth has the usual gripes about Gura being somewhat flaky, Mori reappearing on Trash Taste, Ina for shitting on fans/being in bed with management/nepotism/being boring (not constantly hyperactive), and Ame being burnt out.
For Council, they collectively get shit on because they’re the new kids, so they’re the worst thing ever until a new gen debuts, at which point everyone starts singing their praises and uses the exact same arguments to shit on the new guys. In particular, Bae gets shit for being disappointing/obnoxious and for associating with Ollie and Roberu, and Sana has the nepotism hire baggage, the month-long hiatus, and milking gachikoi. Kronii gets shit for being depressive, Minecraft-addicted memelord, the lgbt roommate rrat, and she’s taken a week off. It’s mostly died down for Fauna and Mumei because their antis don’t actually pay attention to their content, and no one except a bunch of schizos want to rehash a bunch of stale Week 1 bait. The only one in EN more shitpost-resistant than Kiara right now is IRyS.
Personally, I was at worst neutral towards Kiara, and I think most of the shitflinging on /vt/ is pointless nonsense.
>>13471042
Sana punches above her weight with SCs, she’s doing fine.
>>13473968
Bf rrats are based on old tweets, and no one actually knows if they’re still accurate because the trails have gone cold. It’s best to ignore it unless there’s another Towa or Watame incident.

>>13481928
>people are shitting on Kson for what she’s done since leaving Hololive
Did she do anything specific or are people just salty she left to do her own thing?
>Sana has the nepotism hire baggage
I’ve seen this thrown around too many times to count, what’s the origin?

>>13482486

>>13455166
>do we like her now
cant you think for yourself you absolute dimwit

>>13482486
With Kson, people willfully mistook “irreconcilable creative differences” as Coco pushing back on draconian management in the name of creative freedom, only to be disappointed that she’s not what they’ve convinced themselves she was going to be. Plus, she’s collab’d with Vshojo.
With Sana, she’s one of Ina’s longtime friends, they’ve admitted to being old friends on stream, and there’s rrats that Omega is one of Ina’s FFXIV buddies.

>>13483432
God Ame is cute.

>>13468029
Normally this would be true but there is a Takofag mod that bans people when they shit on your gook princess. Takos are the biggest losers, passive aggressive shit stirrers but can’t take the heat themselves

>>13457652
isn't she helping her followers budgeting their spending in a way?

>>13455306
>avoiding English as much as possible
So much this. I noticed last week how my vtubing experience increased when I started ignoring anything related to the EN branches. And the recent Vshojo garbage just proved me right.

>>13455828
Since when was Mori dead weight in collabs?

>>13474177
>Mori doesn't work well with the other myth's in general
Gura and Ina

>>13484789
>there is a mod
>all takofags are like the mod

Which holo has the most obnoxious laugh, pekora or kiara>?

>>13486562
I can’t get enough of Pekora’s laugh to be honest. It heals my soul.

>>13460177
You don't really believe that lie do you anon? Have you taken the meds today?

Kiara is unironically one of the top 3 holos, I'll never understand why people don't like her.

>>13487865
Haters gotta hate something, and trolls need their sick entertainment

>>13455166
She hasn't done anything retarded in a while and is focusing on her stream like other girls

>>13455166
i still dislike her, but i like her roommate more, that put me in neutral

>>13489081
That doesnt make any sense

i still hate her and KFPhaggots no worries, she has been obscured lately and not worth my attention

>>13455828
>Ame, who is easily the most disliked
Whatever you say, anon.

>>13457871
El absoluto estado de los Chumkeks. El o el.

>>13460783
So in the end she won, mh?
Sasuga based chimkin.

>>13461073
This, literally.

>>13468029
>>13469510
>>13484789
Ina always get treated with the soft pillow and the never do wrong attitude while Kiara gets shat on and tossed into the nailbed.

>>13468030
Do you find her attractive?

>>13468795
But we aren't worthy, slut probably knows it.

t. literally in love with her and can't forget nor let go

>>13473542
Go back to your Kson threads or some 3D slut you worship.

>>13476437
We do not show mercy in this dojo.

Hating any vtuber for any reason, especially on this board, is cringe. I get secondhand embarrassment from it every time I see some virgin tribalism shit. Just post anime girl, faggots.

>>13458394
I finished episode 2. Fubuki was able to handle Kiara way better and had a lot more tact when it came to answering the questions. She was still caught off guard by exactly how often Kiara interrupted her and how many times Kiara directed the conversation back to herself. Two things that stood out for me. Kiara brought attention to something relatively embarrassing Fubuki did and actually told her viewers to go watch clips of it and she also brought up another chuuba while specifically thanking Fubuki for being in the position she was in. She also continues to sometimes not properly translate what the guest says, she has a really bad habit of adding extrapolation or implications to her translations when the guest hasn't actually said that. She gets caught up in talking about herself way too easily too. Basically like I thought everything her antis think about her is true but not quite to the absurd degree some people claim.

>>13458394
>>13490567
Good boy. Now watch every holotalk while youre at it. Oh and make sure to catch this week's holotalk like the good dog that you are

>>13490693
kek, based

>>13455589
>hello yes I would like some chicken breast I mean a chickens breasts I mean...

>>13481928
Thanks for the writeup anon, actually level headed assessment of the state of everything that isn't biased.

>>13480108
Everyone's views have fallen off, The peak hype has passed.

>>13491028
I heard youtube fucked the viewcounts somehow

>>13455166
I like Kiara and I've never hated her.

>>13455306
Never will you be Japanese fag

>>13455166
her idolfag rant on that one thread /here/ made me like her

>>13468919
fuck that bitch honestly

>>13455166
>Feels like she never gets any anti threads anymore.
The hated person always rotating, it's an ayame board rn. If kiara does something stupid or some schizo egg emerges from discord again it'll be a Kiara board again just be patient OP

Why are vtubers fans so much prone to drama? Can't you just enjoy your favorite and not care about the others?

>>13455306
anon did it, he became japanese

>>13457871
Stop falseflagging as a chumbud faggot.

>>13455166
Chicken reclined, no reason to keep hating her shes old news, they moved onto Ayame and Pomu.

>>13457871
The absolute state of anti-takos who couldn't come up with anything new since forever. The dead horse they're beating is not even a horse anymore, just a formless sludge that is slowly being deatomized.
Still laughing at the fact someone actually got triggered by this, but i guess they just were really desperate for any sort of dirt.

>>13492331
reclining into obscurity is far worse than being hated on here 24/7 this place has no power anyway

>>13492542
sure obscurity... anon even Atlus sponsored her i wouldnt call that obscure if you get such a deal when one of your genmates begged atlus to play their games for 8+ hours straight without any success, if Anything She´s the Most visible to Companys the amount of Sponsorships she gets is insane and her viewer retention didnt really change since she debuted shes one of the most stable holos

>>13484789
based mod, i would love to, at some point, see a frontpage that isn't 50+% baits and anti-posting

>>13486562
bruh

>>13484789
There used to be a kfp mod, im pretty sure he got kicked for being an absolute faggot

>>13456218
deez pies

>>13455166
No

I think Kiara is great. She just has the misfortune of being genmates with 3 of the greatest vtubers in hololive.

>>13455166
Orange woman love!

>>13456052
>t. Anon posting on basket weaving forum filled with terrible people

>>13456695
>Still stuck in the first week after her debut
Anon, pls...

>>13493217
Seems like you have to be reeducated

She got the ESL debuff, no matter how good her English is she is always gonna be in disadvantage against a native. You simply can't compete against someone who has been speaking a language for 20 years

>>13490693
he will just rewatch it backwards to delete his +1

>>13455166
>Do we like her now?
Never

>>13493964
>>13493405

>>13491833
>>13468699
>>13455648
I will never be Japanese, but that doesn't stop me from having fun watching my oshi.

>>13493964
>zomcuck
ironic

>>13455250
>she's probably just a little autistic
That's like 90% of the vtubers anon

>>13494631
>she's probably just a little autistic
>That's like 90% of the vtubers anon
im not sure about "little"

>>13455166
i just don't care about her and have not seen a single stream/clip of her, wasn't she a nigger lover or something sjw related?

>>13455166
No

>>13455166
please be nice to Kiara she has autism

kiara rules. the only people i see that dislike her are faggots, which is a group that is notoriously difficult to appeal to since all they care about is getting fucked in the ass

I always liked how people hated her, she has that stacy vibe going on. I love a good heel.

>>13494962
Unironically this. It was kind of funny to have a Vtuber who didn't actually do anything that bad, yet had a group of people who both watched and hated her. It was a really interesting dynamic that I sort of miss.

>>13494266
At least kiara actually streams

>>13458394
Based.
Kiara sucks, and is fading into irrelevancy now. Which is why she's getting less hate.

>>13495733
>>13492816

Excuse me anon she´s not going anywhere

>>13495733
You mean ame

>>13493374
If antis are that way about their initial targets in Council, what makes you expect anything different for Ethyria? Everyone knows they don’t watch streams and rarely even watch clips. What made Kiara antis so persistent is that she lived in their heads rent free, so they went out of their way to watch her stuff to find something to complain about.

>>13490693
kek

>>13492517
The problem is that there's literally no way of identifying genuinely hurt fans from antis shitposting with that one. And there's also no way to defend her words, usually all takeks do is say "see? If you got offended you really are a loser", which isn't really helping your oshi.
The other day I saw a thread about it and it was nothing but sad takos being sad about being called losers by the girl they like, no vitriol like calling her gook or anything, it was a really weird thread. In the end, the tacuck mod deleted it because that one made you feel way worse than any generic anti thread calling her a bitch.
If Kiara had said that there would have been an endless flood of threads about it, but I don't think she can talk shit like that about her fans when she knows what it truly feels to lose at life and work at a black idol company doing awful, humilliating jobs to survive, and knows she needs their support to be where she is.

>>13496447
exactly , and kiara loves her fans for being there for her she´s very thankful in most of her streams she expresses that again and again

>>13496447
no wonder inner is like this you should not gorget for her Hololive is only a sidegig she showed that several times

>>13455166
I think she fixed her mic or some shit. Eggs main complaint was her voice.

>>13455166
Yes

>>13496641
Yeah, it all depends on what you come to Hololive/vtubing for. I've never really had an interest in watching Ina's solo content, but her most recent drawing stream with classical music was great. I love piano in general so getting a Holo who will occasionally listen to classical is awesome. Sana won me over with Holoscopes and her classical music application to them as well although I was already kinda in on her given the goofy-ass bogan Aussie accent.

>>13498775
What you really like is the music anon. Just go listen to Mozart and forget about vtubers. These girls are debasing our great artistic heritage by reducing it to background music for their boring content that doesn't hold up on its own. Frankly Ina doesn't deserve to have Mozart as BGM. I know it's technically public domain (though who knows they could be stealing the recordings) but there should be a law for crimes against art.

>>13455250
Same.

>>13499267
What the fuck is wrong with you? It's nice music to listen to and Ina is fine. I'm not a fan of hers or anything so I don't watch much, but those streams will keep me coming back to the VoD's of hers from time to time.

>>13455856
This. I caught part off her Alice streams, and at times you could hear her normal voice coming through and it sounds so much better.

>>13499267
>deserve to have Mozart as BGM
This way of thinking is fucking retarded bro. Who even cares about "deserves" when enjoying any kind of music.

>>13499433
I'm being honest. You said
>I've never really had an interest in watching Ina's solo content, but her most recent drawing stream with classical music was great
It's clear you are going there for the music rather than Ina, and who could blame you. I'm here to tell you that you don't need to support her, just go after the music.

>>13499479
In /vt/ terms it's leeching. Enjoying the music is great the problem is making into BGM to elevate yourself. The music belongs to all of us as our heritage so we collectively have to protect it from being misused.

>>13499560
anonchama Kiara is technically the only one in Hololive with that Heritage since Mozart came from her country

>>13499560
Again, I don't dislike Ina, and her drawing just adds a little more to the music itself. The problem is you assume I haven't already done what you said to do in the past. I just don't know why you wouldn't want to give a view to someone who you think is fine and is doing something you want to see more of. Are you unironically an anti? And if so, why? What the hell do you gain from seeing her lose viewers?

>>13483432
I love this soundpost.

>>13499634
She doesn't need to lose viewers. I'm just saying she should stick to using their soulless corporate approved muzak for BGM instead. That's what they do for 99% of streams isn't it? In a way, it's even more disrespectful to classical composers when they are just an occasional replacement for novelty's sake. If Ina really respected the music she would use it all the time, and she wouldn't talk over it.

>>13499560
>Drawing while listening to music is leeching from the music
This has to be bait. You want her to draw with no BGM because otherwise it's leeching? Anyone that ever used a BGM at any point is leeching? Even if it's public domain music it's leeching? I know music record companies think like that but they are the vilest motherfuckers on earth.
I don't particularly like Ina right now and even then this is fucking retarded, she can use whatever BGM she wants because people aren't there for the BGM, but to see her draw and listen to her comments while doing that.
If you draw like a 3rd grader and put Mozart as our BGM you won't get even 1/100 of Ina's views regardless of how great the BGM is.

Anon please if you are serious get off 4chan it's rotting your brain.

>>13499753
Variety is nice. Exposing people who almost certainly wouldn't listen to the music on their own is good. I wouldn't doubt that there were plenty of faggots who haven't listened to classical music once in their life who were in one of those streams (or Ame's smoll Ame stream) who went and sought out those songs they used on youtube just to check it out. I know it sounds insane, but more exposure to good music to a general audience who otherwise wouldn't hear it is good. As a person who enjoys it, you should be happy that more people are getting exposed to it.

>>13455828
Ina is the most well liked?

>>13501484
Well liked on this board i would say yes but , Kiara is definetly the one Living rent free in most heads

>>13501600
ina isnt well liked, she just isnt disliked. she's completely inoffensive in every way. it'd be like liking/disliking the taste of water.

>>13501658
You'd be surprised how retarded people are. I've heard plenty of people say 'I dislike the taste of water'.

>>13501688
how are these still alive ? wouldnt you die of diabetes pretty quickly if you only drank softdrinks and juices ?

>>13501688
>>13501710
They are Americans drinking chemically laced water

>>13455166
Lately I've been finding Kiara more attractive for some reason.

>>13457871
Ozzy not being english is the only truth here. Fuckers might as well speak abbo.

>>13455166
I've been busy lately with work, my girlfriend and agdg, also kiara hasn't really had any overt yabs lately
The only thing I noticed lately was she made an invading france joke, a couple months after the usual room scene and doing the okay hand sign
She knows all of this stuff is signaling to her /pol/ audience who make the nazi kiara memes, so I guess she is really pandering?

It could be her beliefs are changing because that's how women work, she no longer posts and leftist shit on her IRL twitter, but it could just be her trying to pander hard.
Hard to say.

I'm also too busy to shitpost about it

>>13501930
Ogey

>>13455166
I don't like her peko laugh. Otherwise she is alright.

>>13501710
Have you seen the average american?

>>13501658
I would have agreed with you before she had to apologize for making fun of people watching anime girl streamers and calling them losers

>>13502146
but isn't she an anime girl streamer?

I have learned to like chimkin i understand now why she is the way she is so i have excepted her neuroticism because the rest of her that is not crazy is kino. Kino that is not worth giving up because no one is perfect i am sure kiara would find things she does not like about me too but she does not strike me as the type to outcast people because they lack perfection or are 100% like minded.

>>13502173
Yeah, that was part of her apology, ina said she wasn't thinking about how it was an AOE attack that would cover herself and that she was sorry

>>13502173
Yeah but she's the one making big bucks and that excludes her from the generalization in her mind.
Not to mention some takos watching her are programmers or work at cozy work from home jobs and just want background sounds so the image of her fanbase in her mind is pretty underserved for what has to be one of the most well adjusted vtuber fanbases out there.

>>13502121
This. There's so many retards I see every day buying 3+ energy drinks. Regulars at my job that I've talked to have thanks me because it didn't occur to them that energy drinks won't do shit for you if you're sluggish because of dehydration. You can thank the shitty school system that would rather teach inane social garbage than how to take care of yourself properly.

>>13501930
>kiara hasn't really had any overt yabs lately
Kiara hasn't had any real yabs, period.

>>13455166
I've enjoyed Kiara quite a bit ever since autism rp collabs with Calli ended

>>13502173
>Is a vtuber fan herself
>Was a sad NEET that just played MMOs and wasted all her money on gacha for a while
>Had to be supported by her parents well into her adulthood until she got her shit together
>Eventually got good at art and got a nice job doing art for her gacha games
>Gets lucky and gets into Hololive at the peak of covid
>Starts making a lot of money due to it
>Plenty of people trapped at home become her fans due to these unusual circumstances
>Eventually calls all her fans sad losers for watching vtubers and wasting their tine watching her

Ina really needs to do some self reflection considering she isn't an useless, skilless NEET anymore but a talented, minor celebrity liked and admired by many. She can't go on being fueled by self hate because if she hates herself she'll end up despising her audience since they are just like her. Which is what happened there. Even if she says she's sorry as long as those are her feelings on the matter I'll refuse to watch her. Imagine being so lucky at everything and then looking down on the people that enjoy her content and support her due to wasting their time doing that instead of "something productive" whatever she means by that.

>>13489141
He dislikes the character, but likes her real personality. What was hard for you to understand anon?

>>13501658
>Can't live without water
>Can't sleep without Ina
My god, you've actually created a very good analogy.

>>13502561
Ina isn't "fueled by self-hate", she stopped hating herself the instant she got her first large commission for her art. Making it changes people almost overnight and getting into Hololive was just the cherry on top of the cake of success for her. She thinks of herself as a professional in two separate respects and that makes her "different" from her fans. That kind of thinking will persist until the day she dies.

>>13502882
>Making it changes people almost overnight

i admire your optimism

>>13455166
Kiara is a very sweet and beautiful girl. I want to lick her pussy IRL and have very sweaty sex with her and suck on her tongue while my penis is inside her vagina (without protection, I must feel her raw pussy and have the bare skin of my penis rub against her insides, there must be no space between our most private areas).

>>13502882
how sensitive are ina's head tentacles?

>Kiara is a very sweet and beautiful girl. I want to lick her pussy IRL and have very sweaty sex with her and suck on her tongue while my penis is inside her vagina (without protection, I must feel her raw pussy and have the bare skin of my penis rub against her insides, there must be no space between our most private areas).

>>13502966
Well, I also wouldn't be surprised if the shift in thinking happened instantaneously. I gave Ina specifically the benefit of the doubt because she does still retain some personality traits from being a loser even though she hasn't been one for some time.

>>13502882
>Making it changes people almost overnight

That's completely and absolutely false. Old habits die hard. When she was struggling she was absolutely fueled by self hate and if she wasn't drawing and trying to improve she felt useless, and she still feels like that, even when she takes some time off since she works really hard at her 2 jobs, she starts feeling like she's wasting time instead of having a well deserved rest and picks up more comissions and workload. She can't help herself. She's addicted. If she isn't working she feels useless. Which is why her audience that watches her duing their leisure time ticks her off, because she can't imagine herself having a rest just watching some vtuber instead of working herself to the bone. If she watches vtubers, she does it while working.

Her mentality isn't healthy and a part of her still thinks she's the same loser mooching off her parents and wasting her time drawing anime and playing vidya, even if she's making tons of simpbux and became a well respected artist and could totally take it easier to try to improve her lifestyle and mentality.

>>13503198
The fact she even thought of her fans as "being losers that watch anime girls" much less actually coming out and saying it completely disproves the entirety of the essay you wrote. You really have no idea what even a small amount of success does to most people. I understand you're a Takodachi but you need to think about this situation a little more objectively.

>>13503301
kek

>>13502561
>>13503301
to be fair she isn't wrong.

>>13495719
That's Shion, not Ayame. Shion just steams Pokemon all day.

>>13501688
They dislike the taste of chlorine and flouride. They just don't know it because all their water contains that shit. Even the bottled water.

>>13455166

>We
Are you new here or something?

>>13480108
if EN ever gets 3d, kiara views is gonna explode again

>>13455166
hated her back then when she was all over pekora

honestly nowadays, she's pretty great, especially during collabs. just a few cringe moments here and there, but it's part of her charm so whatever.

>>13455166
her menhera was cured thanks to her cats

>>13455166
/vt/ doesnt even have good anti threads anymore, neither drama ones. This place is done.

>>13490693
based

>>13490693
topkek

This made me think: Kiara could be such a fucking good heel.
Right now she's like Rocky Maivia, trying to be a good girl and drawing no dimes.
If she embraced her selfcenteredness and became slightly antagonistic she could be HoloEN's The Rock.

>>13508073
I mean, she does says stuff like that in a playful and less degrading way.

>>13490693
Dont worry, I will watch her caring more about appeasing us than you "guys" who pay her money.

>>13496447
>identifying genuinely hurt fans from antis
That's easy, anon. The second group exists and the first one doesn't (by the way, a good rule of thumb is to see whether anyone outside of 4chan gives a fuck, it's way too easy for antis/falseflaggers to dictate the tone here).
I watched that stream. Literally all she did was call out people for shit talking anime girls they're watching and questioned whether they are enjoying spending their lives shit talking others. This was a direct reaction to chat shit talking Calli and at no point was it directed at her community as a whole. If you get genuinely hurt by something like this, then yes, you are a closet anti and Ina was 100% justified in calling you out.

>>13458381
Listen I think his post is shit too but it doesn't really scream "ESL"

>>13455166
I've always liked her

>>13510125
>at no point was it directed at her community as a whole
But it was. That's why she apologized. She wanted to take a shot at the antis and insulted the whole audience instead. She fucked up and let it slip she considers that vtuber fans are living sad and pathetic lives and should be doing anything else.

>>13510527
"ESL" means "Person I don't like".

>>13510125
i think the first group exists. just from reading this website you can probably tell that some people dont have a lot of happiness in their lives and maybe watching vtubers is the only form of escapism they enjoy. maybe she just wanted to roast some people being annoying in her chat but she probably hit a bunch of regular depressed neets where it hurts in the process

>>13510125
The first group definitely exists. I refuse to believe everyone in this thread from a few days ago is an anti larper.
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/13259511

she is meh, but is genuinely in love with her chat which is hot in a menhera way so there's that

>>13510818
She may have expressed herself incorrectly, and went a bit further than she wanted, but it's still obvious from the context of what is happening what she meant. Maybe I'm just retarded, but i just can't interpret her words as anything more than a light sass, even if it was actually aimed at me. Her words essentially amount to her calling us weebs, so... yes and?

>>13512142
Of course you'll interpret it that way, you send her money.
Where's the surprise here?

>>13510818
>>13511255
>>13511692
"Must be nice to have their ups together, watching 2 anime girls having fun playing Guilty Gear, ha?" (while shit-talking one of said anime girls for not playing as well as you would like)
This. This is the sentence that allegedly makes people lose their shit. Really? Why? Why should i be offended by this sentence? How was this sentence spun into "Ina hates her fans" rrat?

>>13455166
Who?

>>13512338
Well, anon claims that her actual fans were hurt by this, so not really?

>>13512558
Why would you confess you were hurt when you sent her money? Do you know what sunken cost fallacy is?

>>13512614
Someone makes up a retarded rrat and i am somehow the one deluding myself for not going along with it, ogey.

>>13512714
You. Send. Her. Money.
Everything you defend your ewhore with is irrelevant to most of us

>>13512779
>You like Ina, therefore you defending her is irrelevant.
Brilliant logic, anon.

>>13512492
>Incomplete quote because the full one shows the ugly part
>Tries to contextualize anyways
Don't be obtuse on purpose and post the full quote. We can all check what she said. I just want you to approach this with truthfulness because to you, the pain of the people that were hurt by it is nonexistant since you're actively blocking what she said.

>>13512779
>Us
Don't speak for me.

The absolute state of takodachis.

>is queer
>is progressive
>is anti-racist
yep she's over with me senpai. eternally /mygirl/

>>13513594
The fact that she's all of that and doesn't lets it show in her vtubing act (except the part of being gay, but all vtubers do gay shit anyways) just makes me respect her. Usually leftoids can't fuckign shut up about whatever they're outraged that week, but she's been overall pretty professional despite me holding the complete opposite to her views

>>13513826
>Usually leftoids can't fuckign shut up about whatever they're outraged that week
Nah it's almost always rightoids that do that. This place is overrun with them however and they're blind to their own retardation.

>>13513305
Wait, it was supposed to be the previous sentence that triggered people?!!!!! Are you fucking kidding me?!
"You know, what's important is that you're enjoying life, right? Are they enjoying theirs?"
That is the sentence that you claim that is aimed at her entire fanbase? While they're clearly talking about people in chat shit-talking Calli and she's directly reacting to that fact and talking about them? Yet it's somehow supposed to be interpreted against everyone anyway?
You seriously call me obtuse while this is your line of reasoning? Why do you guys even bother basing your anger on real sentences, when you're fine with distorting reality to such an extent?
I'm sorry for not being on the same page, it just didn't occur to me someone could be out of touch with reality to such a mind-boggling extent.

>>13508748
you keep telling yourself that, I’m sure it’ll come true one day
poor guy

>>13514251
Shhhh keep quiet and send her a supacha while she cries why we dont like her.
Get to it

>>13489453
>>13486109
>no argument
Cope.

>>13514068
Alright since you clearly can't follow instructions I'll do it for you

>You know, what's important is that you're enjoying life, right? Are they enjoying theirs? HA"
>I mean it must be nice to have their act together in life right? Watching 2 anime girls having fun playing Guilty Gear huh?
>I'm kidding, tee hee.
Mori, flabbergasted that she even went there, tries to salvage it
>Yeah guys, thanks for watching, we love you, all 14k still watching.

Alright so even if she's trying to refer to the people going "huuurrrr yer boi isn't very good at videogames" which is something Mori often says herself, she's implying that 1) People watching them aren't really enjoying life when watching them, and 2) They don't have their shit together if they spend their free time watching anime girls playing videogames.

Now, it's the rrat about "Ina hates her audience" truth? No, that one is a massive exaggeration and a lie. She probably does like them considering they give her tons of money and attention.
Is the rrat about "Ina thinks her audience are fucking losers for wasting their time watching anime girls such as herself play videogames". Hell yeah, that one's correct. She does think that. And that's why some regular watchers did get hurt.

>>13514592
It's up to you to prove your own unsubstantiated statement, not for us.

>>13455166
>/vt/

>>13514766
You are constantly trying to spin this as something aimed at "people watching them", rather then, "people watching them AND shit talking their gameplay".
By "having their act together" she's reffering to "keeping their act together by shit talking the anime girls that they are watching". At least that's the interpretation that can be concluded from the context at which it was said.
Interpreting "ha, you guys are watching anime girls play videogames" as "haha, everyone who watches me is such a loser" seems like a much bigger logical leap to me than this interpretation, like, are people really incapable of distinguishing between sass and straight up insult? Are you interpreting everything as some sort of personal attack?

>>13514828
>unsubstantiated
Go to the archives and look at Kiara threads and Ina threads, newfag. This all changed when Ina did the GG Strive "vtuber fans are losers" yab.

>>13515368
Look, if she had just said that, specifying she meant just the autists saying that they're bad at videogames, there would have been no problem at all.
But what she said applies to everyone watching her, which means that she also thinks that of her regular watchers, that they aren't enjoying life or don't have their life together if they spend their time like that, she never meant just the autismos criticizing their gameplay, but what qualifies them for that judgement is just "spends their time watching anime girls play videogames", which is her whole audience.

Even Mori the autismlord caught that, which is why she inmediatly went defensive and tried to go "just kidding guys we love you, really". I don't even have to spin it, she thought it like that and said it, and I can see why some less stable people would take it more personally and by now you should see it too. If you don't have much going on in your life and your guilty pleasure tells you you're not living your life correctly, it does sting to them. Even she gets it, she apolgized the next day trying to assure her regular watchers that she doesn't actually thinks like that and they are allowed to be angry with her if they are hurt for it

>>13513941
both are equally horrible for it and i hate both equally

I started fapping to Kiara whenever I'd get annoyed and now I feel strangely bonded to her

>>13458394
I'm calling your bluff, show me the numbers.

I never disliked her enough to make threads about her
I simply can't tolerate her chicken voice for more than 5 mins so if she's in a collab I might watch a clip of it, but not the collab proper
also kfps are mentally ill

>>13493964
I'll never get the Ollie hate, she's the only HoloID worth watching nowadays aside from Reine.
>Buh she collabs with males
So does Kson, who cares?

>>13517495
>So does Kson
reddit dragon was kicked out of hololive for a reason.

I never hated her.

>>13515737
since when did the fags here turn into people that can't take bants but throw bants at each other? jesus christ what a bunch of hand wringers

>>13513941
even here, lgbt troons are dilating about /pol/
people are telling you to shut up by kicking you in the face and you're crying about "rightoids"
take a hint, troon
if you dont want a reaction, dont start the action, lad

>>13518471
>bants
this shows you've never met women or been around them to hear their "jokes". women dont joke, just playful insults on each other's insecurity

>>13518471
People just want to be upset at ina and time loop a light hearted joke and turn it into weak ass /vt/ drama even in the clip ina say she is just kidding while mori spergs about it lmfao

>>13508073
>Moona-Kiara rivalry arc never ever
I will never forgive the seamonkeys.

kfp are the most irritating people on this board

>>13519374
i guess we should be lucky that's the only shit they can cling to

>>13519810
just give me muh spicey chimkin nuggies with kiaras special KFP booty sweat sauce and no one gets hurt alright

>>13519810
not as much as takocucks

>>13519810
Cuckbeats still exists.

>>13521532
they sure seem to live free in your head

>>13519810
teamates

There, I've completed the ritual

>>13455166
Yes, I hate bae now.

>>13455166
thanks for the reminder, i will make one later

>>13522263
W-what happens when the ritual is complete?