/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>13606484
Because they were least famous in JP, thats why they keep pushing their talents in western side

>>13607764
So Cover is pulling a Sega of Japan then, ok.

>>13606484
He's a saint. He saved Selen from having to interact with Ollie and saved Pomu from having to interact with the chicken whore.

>>13608278
This. Fuck ollie and her fingerbanging tendencies

>>13606484
They fear what they don't understand. Baby shark song viral sensation turned into vtuber success was a fluke that they have no idea how to replicate again. They are Japanese and don't get the western market. See the botched english vsinger project and the underwhelming council.

>>13606484
You think Hololive is the one blocking collabs?

NijiEN is the only common factor in these cancelled HoloxNijiEN collabs.

Pretty sure it's NijiEN blocking them to appease their chink overlords.

>>13609460
Selen already said she's collabing with Ollie though

>>13609460
>Pretty sure it's NijiEN blocking them to appease their chink overlords.
Your brain is rotted from /vt/ rrats anon.

>>13609460
>Selen and Ollie are going to collab
>Canceled suddenly during the same week that HoloCouncil debuts
>Selen and Ollie are going to collab
>Canceled suddenly even though Selen and Ollie wanted it to happen, due to problems outside of their hands
>HoloJP6 debuts
Hololive clearly doesn't want any sort of pre or after debut hype getting to NijiEN, and you're a retard for taking any shitposts here seriously about Niji. NijiEN has collabed with all sorts of smaller companies and wouldn't turn down the opportunity to collab with the largest one.

>>13609460
>HoloEN has like 3 collabs outside of the Holo sphere total
>The problem is obviously with NijiEN, who has had 10 times that number despite being around for half the time

>>13606484
>why is he so scared that a competitor is gaining ground?
retard

>>13612863
Yeah Niji was fucking stupid to let the holos leech off of them to gain traction back in 2018/19

>>13609877
>Selen already said she's collabing with Ollie though
About that.................
>>13606484
That's implying he had any hand in this,.

>>13612794
>3
Mori already collabed with Milky, Trash taste and boogey voxx
She's pretty free. I'd say it is NijiEN doing the blocking. NijiJP seems to be fine with HoloJP.

>>13612794
That could be argued with HoloEN, but not fucking HoloID, who collabs with NijiID all the time.

It's pretty obvious that NijiEN has different management from the other branches, they even have a collab ban ffs.

>>13610905
Kek. HoloEN and HoloId already collabed with indies already. They even collabed with Vshojo whores and anitubers. HoloID already collabed with NijiID as well.

NijiEN is the only odd one out. It's obvious that it's NijiEN that's blocking the collab with their retarded experimental policies.

Niji never had a collab ban before NijiEN. Niji never had a watchalong alongside the debut before NijiEN.

>>13612794
Explain HoloID being blocked? HoloID has been pretty lenient, allowing them to collab with anyone and everyone, even NijiID, and then they suddenly block Ollie?

No, it's sure to be NijiEN blocking the collab. They even blocked Millie from collabing with other branches too.

>>13609460
>>13613144
>>13613285
Holobronies, stop being retarded. The holoEN management is the same one that was forbidding collabs with fucking Coco, a member from the same company. They are the only ones scared of chinks.

>>13613380
>They even blocked Millie from collabing with other branches too.
Millie has been collabing with other branches the entire time retard. Oh, your another thread watcher who doesn't know this? Figures.

>>13613399
And yet Coco collabed with Mori and Ame. I'm guessing NijiEN is asking collab fees and Ollie could not pay.

>>13613399
Shhhh, we want to memory hole that this whole thing happened anon. Makes Cover look like they bent the knee to their Chinese investors, which they did.

>>13613503
>And yet Coco collabed with Mori and Ame.
When she was on her way out from Cover.

>>13613503
After she already decided to leave the company and the collab ban with her was lifted. Are you being paid by Cover or something to post this retarded shit in these threads?

They really should be more worried about vshojo. Those collabs gave away too much exposure to nyanners and mouse while holoEN didnt gain anything out of it.

>>13613593
>>13613626
>She's leaving so she you can collab with her
What's the point of the ban then? If she's seen as a liability due to the zhangs, why would they let her collab with the ENs? Why take the risk of the zhangs migrating to the EN talents?

>>13613779
It doesn't matter because she was L E A V I N G. The chinks already got what they wanted and it's not like any of the ENs became super close with her. Two short collabs with just two members on her way out is pretty much nothing.

Nijikeks coping that their EN branch is literally retarded.

>>13614052
They still have not accepted the fact that HoloEN management allows collabs now since the release of Council. Myth was too autistic to collab with anyone.

Is this another thread of nijiniggers begging for collab while masquerading as unityfags?

>>13613705
>he doesn't know

>>13608278
Did he block Selen-Ollie planned December collab?

HoloEN planned collab with NijiEN : Not happening
HoloID planned collab with NijiEN : Not happening
HoloJp planned collab with NijiJP : OK
HoloID planned collab with NijiJP : OK

summary : NijiEN is the problem

>>13614499
>Kiara complains about her management
>Same week Pomu praises her management
>Pomu confirmed it was Kiara
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>13614675
>Pomu confirmed it was Kiara
source?

>>13613399
Ollie's not in EN retard.

>>13614675
>Kiara complains about management
That's pretty normal though. Her manager is juggling three talents and one of them is Gura.

>>13610905
They couldn't negotiate collab fees

>>13614781
10/29 members stream

Think about this. Nijisanji have far more benefit from collabing with HoloEn and no con at all. Everyone know this. Retarded 12 years old in /vt/ know this. Hololive know this. And of course, Nijisanji know this. You can think 100 reason why omegatranny prevent the collab from happening. But can you do the same for Nijis management? Can you think one reason?
>chink
Yet Niji JP can collab with HoloJP. Some livers already mention Taiwan many times before. Not to mention Nijisanji already have Petra who is Hong Kong Independence supporter.

>collab with vwhores
no problem go ahead

>collab with nijiEN
PUREASE ANDASTAND WE CANNOT RET THEM WIN

>>13614675
Kiara also said that the "other party" was the one that cancelled. If omegatroon was responsible you can be sure that Kiara would be seething about it so hard such that everyone on this shitty site would know the cause.

>>13606484

>>13615070
That because VShitshow is in Twitch. And they have completely different fanbase.

>>13614950
Too expensive for small branch's cash desu. Especially during this hype week with HoloX being introduced

>>13615101
She didn't, I watched that whole thing, from the conversation leading to it until the topic died, a few times and I can 100% assure you she didn't say that. Stop reading threads.

>>13615051
How does omega, from the EN branch, stop Holo ID from collabing with Niji EN? Very clearly this is the Holo ID management's domain. Niji EN is the problem. Very clearly Cover doesn't give a fuck about what Holo ID does for anything, so it's pretty funny to imply that Holo ID management or higher Cover management would ever block this.

>>13615051
>Petra who is Hong Kong Independence supporter.
"Supporter" that wrote whole essay how she love and support One China policy...

>>13615051
It's definitely collab fees. NijiEN management seems to be greedy for money. Remember how wave 3 opened their memberships early. They also have streamlabs ready on their debut. I guess they need money to pay for the ads they had to play for Wave 1 & 2.

>>13615158
>completely different fanbase
>coco is now a defacto member
???????????????

>>13615051
And yet the tranny has no power over Ollie. A gaping hole in your story as wide as the one in your prolapsed faggot anus.

>>13613285
>Niji never had a collab ban before NijiEN.
Ehhhh. They've had restrictions to prevent people being accused of leeching, at least. And it's not like "Keep it within the branch for the first month" is even much of a restriction, since most of their future collabs will probably be in-branch too.
Also not sure why you pointed to the debut watchalongs here. What do they have to do with anything? Do you just not like them?

>>13612794
>Kiara x Nyanners
>Mori x Mousey
>Mori x Milky
>Ina x Pikamee
>Mori x trash taste (x2)
>Mori x Boogeyox (i'll count boths songs as one event)
>Mori. Kiara x Faye Mata & Giggurk shadowverse collab
>Kiara Dokomi collab
Yep 3 collabs

>>13606484
We just got confirmation from Ollie that it was NijiEN blocking the collabs
>nijiggers instantly make a shill thread accusing the other side of what they are doing
Absolutely fucking pathetic

>>13615254
>2 collabs
>member

By this logic she should be VOMS member, she did 3 collabs with them.
Are you sane?

>>13615247
So I guess you're implying that a literal nobody such as Mitwun who probably makes nothing expressive from streaming paid to play with Selen in the REIGNITE cup.
Wow.

>>13614938
Who is the other one? Ame was reassigned to a new manager

>>13614938
NijiEN has 1 manager for all 10 of them lol

>>13615300
>We just got confirmation from Ollie that it was NijiEN blocking the collabs
you're going to have to provide proof for that too, because she never said names

>>13614938
You're way out of date.
Gura and Ame have their own managers now, Jenma just has Kiara

>>13615527
no, jenma can have kiara and some other from holojp. they don't have personal managers. there isn't one manager per talent

>>13615638
You nijiggers need to read the notes that they give you out when you attempt to shitpost

>>13615638
Ame has her own manager and I think even Jchad only handles Mori

>>13615198
Watching clips from that "Holo EN" faggot isn't much better.

>>13615218
>"""Essay"""
You mean the boilerplate apology after she got in trouble for retweeting free Hong Kong stuff?
Or does context not exist in your world.
That would make the Cover apologies after Coco's Taiwan pretty weird though, so...

>>13615722
the clip is literally 1 minute short and it barely says anything. You're actually worse than clipwatchers, threadreader nigger.

>>13615747
I think you're missing the forrest for the trees there anon. They still had to apologize on their alt for their comments. They would be like of Cover had Coco's roomate apologize too.

Weren't Holofans proud of their bubble? Why try to deny it and push the blame now?

>>13615747
I shit on Cover for that too.
I ain't tribalfag

>>13615911
?????
The Petra stuff was years before she was in NijiEN
I have no idea what you're saying

>>13615943
Yes we are so can you stop begging for collabs, thanks.

>>13615997
Do not use Nene for posts like this.

>>13615990
Holobronies don't know what they're saying either, they take a rrat from there and a fact from there, mix it all together and shit it out while screaming that it's reality.

>>13615943
That's right, fuck nijiniggers.
Stop crying for collabs and we won't have any problem.
Oh and i might shake your hand if you could bully Hoshikawa into joining Hololive too.

>>13616139
says the nigger so desperate to deflect that he crafts elaborate conspiracies involving a holoen manager dictating what holoid can or cannot do rather than facing the simpler and obvious explaination that nijien has management banning shit

>>13616327
Fine, but if you take her at least take her model too, it's too much sex too be wasted.

>>13616400
>holoen manager dictating what holoid can or cannot do
Of course it's not that retard. It's someone in a higher position than just manager blocking the collabs from happening, as was the case with them blocking Coco from collabing with EN.

>>13616400
>obvious explaination that nijien has management banning shit
And why is that, nigger. NijiEn banning the collab is ridiculous and outright illogical. They will get lot of benefits and exposure from the collab with no downside at all. That is why NijiEn management blocking the collab is the most ridiculous shit that I ever heard. Because they literally have no reason to do that.

>Niggersanji
>Ever throwing away the chance to leech others
What a retard

>>13616607
Why is HoloID allowed to collab with both nijiid and nijijp but not nijijp
Explain this and I will listen to whatever other bullshit you spew out of your chink mouth next

>>13616607
Because it's the only cope they can think of, you can come up with a thousand different reasons and arguments, they only have this slight possibility since nobody who knows pointed fingers and they will keep spamming it since it's the last thing they can cling to.
>>13616678
Unironically.

>>13616721
Because Fagoo is deathly scared of his competition gaining western exposure. NijiID and NijiJP pose no threat to hololive's hegemony in the West.

HoloID lets Ollie collab with basically everyone. NijiEN is the common factor in both denied collabs.

>>13616400
NijiEN has literally no reason to block Holo collabs when they would obviously benefit from them.
Hololive has a good reason to block the Ollie collabs (because they're so close to new debuts) and HoloEN management in particular is just known to be anal about these kinds of things, probably because they're scared of fucking up their cash cow somehow.
As far as I'm concerned that's it, one has a motive and one doesn't. If you can find literally any reason for NijiEN to block the collabs then sure, maybe it IS them. But I sure can't think of one.
>>13616721
>chink
Oh, it's like that. I see. Funny how you accuse people of being chinks yet deny Holo management fucking Coco over because of China, but OK. Guess it's only a problem when it gets in the way of you sucking Cover's collective dick.
>>13616851
>Not a new IP

>>13616607
You base everything off a single flakey assumption about something of which you have no proof. You have no clue what the thinking is at anycolor HQ. Your assumption being wrong and everything instantly makes sense.
Demanding critical thinking from a negroid like you is too much lmao

>>13616956
>I can't elaborate further so ad hominen
Typical.

>>13616956
What's the assumption? That NijiEN would benefit from exposure to a Holo's audience? Because that's the most obvious thing in the world.

>>13616956
Ok. Can you give me one good reason why NijiEn blocked the collab?

>>13617049
He's gonna say muh chinks even though it was Cover who was blocking Coco from interacting with EN because of them.

>>13606484
Pretty sure he doesn't even know that Niji exist.

>>13617005
>muh hurt fee fees
No explaining is needed retard. The entire argument rests on the assumption that nijien management believes en would benefit from collabs. Reading comprehension; it's not that hard.

Niji JP with Holo JP is okay.
Niji JP with Holo ID is okay.
Niji ID with Holo ID is also okay.

Then why Niji EN with Holo EN or Holo ID is not okay?

I'm confused...

>>13617028
Is there anyone who watches HoloEN who doesn't already know about NijiEN... there were so many completely dead prime time hours for HoloEN this year it's impossible to believe HoloEN fans wouldnt have checked out Niji

>>13617049
>>13617028
Why is there no issue with any other branches of Niji and Holo? Why does HoloEn allow collabs with everything from indies to cancertubers?
And the common factor is NijiEn and cancellations. That shit is obvious.

Nijiniggers actually seething because they missed the leeching opportunity?
Can't you build your own fanbase without relying on your rival company?

>>13616884
>>13616721
>>13617049
>NijiEN has literally no reason to block Holo collabs when they would obviously benefit from them.
They don't have a reason but they did it anyways, it was the same case before in ID even tho holoID blew up on their debuts until a paywalled local weebcon opened the gates for IDs to collab, so if you guys are truly dedicated collab beggers here, call your nearest weebcon and tell them to fucking unite NijiEN and any of the holos

>>13617169
And considering the nijiEN audience is a bunch of holoEN refugees the rrat has much more legs than nijiEN fearing anything from it.
>>13617291
I know a discord channel full of these.

>>13617169
NijiEn don't believe. NijiEn KNOW that the collab will benefit them no doubt. Blocking the collab is like refusing 1 million dollars.

Just because you get your discord to push something doesn't mean people will think it is true.

We're watching you.

>>13617322
The whore in your pic and numerous other holowhores can't since she had to leech Niji to get where she is right now

>>13617436
how the fuck did he know
quick delete the link from #general before he screenshots it

>>13617354
>I know a discord channel
go back

>>13617322
No retard. We are mad because you pushing the blame on Nijisanji.

>>13617481
Oh?
Then how come they're more popular than Nijisanji now?
What happened, nijinigger? Can't keep up?

>>13617169
>assumption that nijien management believes en would benefit from collabs
Why the actual fuck would they think otherwise? Are you legitimately retarded enough that you assume people can't go "Collab with someone with a larger audience than yours = good"? Come the fuck on.
>>13617291
On this board sure, everyone knows. But more exposure to a general audience is always good.
>>13617312
HoloEN management is always retarded. Yeah those collabed happened, but they took months of their chuubas lobbying management for it and they've even hidden that. Plus, as EVERYONE has pointed out, the Coco shit. My assumption is that they're worried about losing viewers to NijiEN for whatever reason, so HoloEN management blocked collabs in general (because they're retarded) and HoloID blocked the Ollie collabs because they were near debuts (which is annoying, but makes sense). Although like I said, that's my assumption. I won't go around claiming it's objectively obviously true like some kind of retard.
>>13617246
Why do you keep making posts repeating yourself pretending you're a new person?
I'm confused...

>>13617514
You too, because you probably also use it AND twitter.

>>13617312
>>13617246
Waiting for feeble nigger mental gymnastics to try to explain this lmao

>>13617580
Because of chinks mass clipping them after they were done leeching Niji

>>13617322
I actually like the vtubers I watch and I want them to collab with people they want to collab with, because it would make them happy. This may be a foreign concept to you.

>>13606484
Holo and Niji are only popular because the bigger companies self destructed.

>>13617619
> On this board sure, everyone knows. But more exposure to a general audience is always good.

YT will recommend you Niji stuff even if you only know about Holo. When I first started watching vtubers I only watched Holo but got recommended Elira all the trime.

>>13617682
Take it up with ichikara management then.

wait what happened to the selen ollie collab

>>13617322
>>13617580
Stop posting Suisei retarded nigger. Stay away from my wife's wife

>>13617246
>>13617312
Why was there an issue with holoEN collabing with Coco before even though they were in the same company? Same principle.

>>13617619
calm your fat tits
it's just a discussion lol

>>13617682
>I want them to collab with people they want to collab with, because it would make them happy.
How far away are you from demanding the holos to collab with the stars?

>>13617672
Where's your clip then?
It's not like cover begged them to make clips, they did it for free.
Can't you hire clippers and content creators to react to your own clips?

>>13617840
NijiEN managment canned it, lime they blocked the Kiara collab.

>>13617936
that would be pretty cool tbdesu

>>13617840
Holo management canned it, like they blocked the Kiara collab.

>>13617843
Stop falseflagging as hoshiyomi, nijinigger

>>13617936
The hololive members who want to collab with holostars already do. Why would I """beg""" for that? Trying to force collabs is stupid.

>>13617972
Opinions discarded.

>>13617322
>>13617580
>>13617942
What's with the avatarfagging?

>>13617855
What does holoen's tranny manager and coco have to do with a present holoID and nijien collab?
Nothing.

>>13617840
Cancelled, probably because of the HoloX debuts (since it lines up with that and the previously cancelled collab (although it being with Ollie was never actually confirmed) also lined up with the HoloCouncil debuts).

>>13618048
he needs to make sure everybody knows that he's 100% definitely a real hoshiyomi

Another nijinigger hiding behind "unity" for the sake of leeching.
Never relax

>>13618105
>thinking it was just a single manager that blocked Coco from interacting with EN and not a collective decision from the higher ups

>>13618105
Being from a bigger and more important branch under the same company?

>>13618106
kek, inb4 they tried again for the 3rd and got cancelled over ID3 debuts, that'll be hilarious

>>13618124
Well, he failed. TokoMachi is a thing, and in fact, Toko will always be a better singer than Suisei is.

I don't get why the hololive fans are so hostile and defensive to the idea that cover would be intentionally blocking collabs with NijiEN to begin with especially when it makes sense from a business perspective. I would have thought they would be praising the decision from Cover for not giving attention to Nijisanji leechers or whatever?

>>13618048
>>13618124
Answer the question, nijinigger
Why can't you keep up?
You were way ahead of Cover, what happened?

>>13618375
oh i don't care about that sorry if you got confused

>>13618338
>Toko will always be a better singer than Suisei is.
okay

>>13618048
If only the jannies on this board actually enforced rules.

>>13618369
They know they would look like hypocrites because holowhores have leeched Niji before. Now Vagoo doesn't want to retribute the favor.

>>13618591
Go back to your hugbox, nijinigger
Reddit might be more of your thing no one would hurt your fee-fees there

>>13618369
They support the move but like to appear hostile to it because it implies niji EN is actually a threat

>>13618375
Because normalfags only interested in meme of Hololive. Not Hololive or vtubers themselves. Do you know the polish dancing cow? It's essentially the same.

>>13618369
Well see, if it's framed as based Cover blocking nijinigger leech collabs it's good and true, but if it's framed as Cover restricting their talents from doing things they want to do then it's bad and false. The actual action doesn't matter, just if it's a good thing (real) or a bad thing (fake and gay).

>>13615294
You can easily explain those making sense from the perspective of Hololive though. Vshojo and e-celeb collabs make sense because they already have their own separate large audiences you can potentially gain fans from. Indie collabs are whatever because they're never going to be am actual threat in the market. NijiEN however have the backing and potential to become a threat with enough exposure and a lot of their fanbase already overlaps with the HoloEN audience so there is little to gain from it either it's a lose lose from Holo perspective.

>>13618681
lmao yeah, I cry myself to sleep over avatarfagging, it's not just that it's annoying .

>EOPfaggots and INdogs
So who gives a shit if it doesn't affect the main branches?

>>13618681
Go ahead and post some guro then you pussy

>>13618910
you know what this board is about

I think it's worth remembering that the people who spread the "NijiEN are the ones blocking the collab" shit are the same people who unironically believe the collab fees shit, i.e. actual medically diagnosable retards.

>>13617760
and america's only a superpower because the great powers all destroyed each other or self-destructed
you catch on quick with progressions!

>>13619338
>Said the retard who haven't done his reps
I swear if you do your reps especially ID reps, you'll find out which side has historically blocked collabs before

>>13618626
Never stop posting that picture.

And post that screenshot of Miko's Valentine's tweet to Kosaka. The one with the heart-eyes.

>>13619690
Was it collab fees then too? Or is that a new policy?

>>13619775
stop asking questions bro do your reps trust me it exists and i can't be wrong you just have to do your reps

>>13619690
>do your reps bro, you will find many threads of me spamming this same shit so it must be true

>>13606484

Yagoo's a fucking CEO, he doesn't have time to waste with low-level decisions like who gets to collab with who or what game permissions they have. That's the kind of stuff managers are hired to do. 99% of Yagoo's job revolves around securing/retaining investors, directing new projects, and big cross-promotions, he only steps in when something serious goes down like the Taiwan thing.

Also Yagoo and Tazumi are real-life friends but you wouldn't know that because you're an EOP who wanted to make his bait thread.

>>13606484
>>13610256
>>13610905
>>13613399
>>13619338
>Pomu avoiding to talk about Kiara in multiple streams because Kiara mouthbreathing fans can't stop spamming chat about her menhera chuubaa
>Pomu nervous when a retarded KFP donated and asked her about a Kiara collab, she even avoided to name Kiara on stream
>Millie talking about debuts from PRISM and Tsunderia, asking chat if they will see their debuts and how much she loves vtubers designs...however she nervously laughs and asks if it's okay to talk about a Kanata clip

I love these girls but it's kinda obvious that NijiEN management are likely the one to blame here. I don't even know why are they doing this, this is just fucking stupid.
Also it seems that Reimu and that girl from Wactor had problems with managers to collab. Wactor girl was also insulting her manager on stream so she's pretty based kek


https://youtu.be/ECTAdWciet8?t=8634
https://youtu.be/Tk5-Qf2vDf4?t=4009

>>13620396
NijiEN have collabed with prism though. NijiEN have collabed with e-celeb, indies, vshojo, smaller companies like prism and wactor, pro gamers, and all their other branches.

>>13618124
it serves when falseflagging

>>13620396
Why would they continue to freely talk about hololive if hololive is purposely being hostile and banning collabs with them? Pomu avoids talking about Kiara now because she doesn't want the fans to keep pushing for a collab that won't happen.

>>13620649
No you're not supposed to bring up that one group has a history of being welcoming with collabs while the other is a walled garden that the fans claimed to love.

>>13620821
>Pomu avoids talking about Kiara now because she doesn't want the fans to keep pushing for a collab that won't happen.
And anons here said that nijifags are the collab beggers, so why the collab beggers are stronger towards nijis than the holos?

>>13620396
They've always been slightly cagey about talking about Hololive, probably because they're justifiably worried about being called leeches and/or their chat devolving over it and needing to be tardwrangled. Hell, that had happened to Milie more than once by that stream. Also
>nervous laughed and asked if it was ok
There was no laugh and she said "I guess it's ok to say", presumably because talking about one clip won't destroy her chat for 10 minutes.
And for the Pomu one: yeah, she's gonna discuss business dealings and shittalk hololive if they're the ones blocking it. Can't just be that that's an awful idea, has to be management breathing down her neck for some reason (btw, still haven't seen literally ANY motivation for NijiEN to block collabs here).

>>13620649
I know anon, what I'm trying to point out is that Hololive seems to be NijiEN's problems. Not even HoloEN but the entire presence of Hololive in Niji EN is something they're avoiding
Holo and Niji main branches doesn't seems to have any problem to collab. Oliver and Aruran just collabed a few hours ago for example

>>13621091
Holofans suddenly don't want to take credit here.

>>13621144
It's not like they avoid talking about Hololive when it's relevant. Pomu didn't avoid mentioning the Holo billboard in her Akiba tour or Holo figures in her room review. They just don't bring them up put of nowhere, lest they get accused of leeching (as Millie did and does for doing that). And obviously no one with a brain would go into detail about an iffy business deal like the Kiara Pomu collab, no matter WHO blocked it, because that's retarded.

>>13621144
You got it backwards. It's Hololive that is purposely avoiding NijiEn. Not the other way around.

>>13621144
If NijiEN members have had no problem collabing with anyone else but it has been notoriously difficult to get outside collabs approved with HoloEN even for much larger companies and streamers I would say the problem seems to be Hololive not Nijisanji. It's not even a rare thing when NijiEN does it where as its such a rarity for HoloEN that people think its a big deal when it happens.

>>13621144
Didn't Enna mention that she likes Mori? Even Feesh liked Mori's song on Twitter. It's not like they are refrained from ever uttering a word about Hololive.

>>13621382
>HoloEN
What about HoloID then you utter weasel?

>>13621421
It's not about HoloID retard. Everyone in Hololive are intentionally avoiding NijiEn like a plague.

>>13621421
Both of the cancelled Ollie collabs where RIGHT when new gens debuted. It's not even unreasonable for HoloID to want to avoid a collab with a business rival around that sort of thing. Why do you keep refusing to acknowledge that part? It certainly makes more sense than "NijiEN management is blocking collabs that would be massively beneficial for them because [??????????]".

>>13620396
Send a SC to Kiara asking about Pomu and see how it goes. If she evne reads it, that is.

My eyes have been opened. It's not that Hololive is blocking all these collabs, but ACTUALLY all the other EN groups have secretly come together to blacklist Hololive EN. Yes, that's what's happening here.

ITT: company has a known history of blocking collabs from happening, retards try to blame it on the company that lets their livers collab with literally anybody
1 second of critical thinking will tell you that nijiEN has no reason to block these collabs and cover simply isn't allowing any of their talents to touch nijiEN

>>13606484
>Room full of acoustic foam
>Full suit
How the fuck is he not drenched in sweat?
Captcha "80HAG"

>>13621144
>>13621389
Well you can't compare a single mention with actually collabing with them, NijiEN is just scared that holofags will go rabid at them once they collab, because they know once the gates are open, the beggers will get stronger and it'll overwhelm their talents. This is something unique to EN holofags since you don't see the japs or even indogs bragging their holo usernames into NijiJP, ID or KR

>>13621421
Cover is behind HoloID too. In fact, it's funny that to have any collab with hololive they have to go through so many hoops when Selen is literally randomly dropping in pro Apex players or Froot's stream and playing with them without planning or announcing beforehand.

>>13621858
This board has a problem in general where people will find evidence that TECHINCALLY support something and take it as PROOF of the thing.
You see it a lot with people saying a girl is """hinting""" that she has a boyfriend. They collect evidence that sure, maybe it could mean that, but they forget to go "why the fuck would she do that in the first place". In the same way a schizophrenic can collect "evidence" they're being gangstalked without asking "but why would people do this in the first place".
So yeah, technically some NijiEN stuff could point to them blocking collabs, or at least doesn't disprove it. But none of that matters if you can't establish why the FUCK they'd do that when it's effectively an act of self-sabotage with how overwhelmingly popular HoloEN is in comparison.

>>13622142
very well said

>>13606484
Nijiniggers, next time you ghost another company when they were in their perils, don't ask why they wouldn't help you to expand after they recovered and grew. Maybe ignoring Hololive when they were under fire from Chinks and forcing Kuzuha to remove his tweet about Coco weren't such good decision, after all.
Think about it - VShojo is bigger and way less seiso than NijiEN, yet there hasn't been any significant issue with Holo x VShojo collab. If they are afraid of competitor, it'd be VShojo who will be blocked, not a group that is both less popular than VShojo AND has been reclining

>>13622142
too sane. far too sane for this board.

>>13622423
>ghost another company when they were in their perils
When did this happen, holobrony? The only one who was ghosted was Coco herself, blocked from even interacting with any of the ENs and restricted from doing a ton of other stuff because they were scared of the Chinese.

>>13622967
when you were comatose

>>13622967
when you were on comatose

>>13622142
>So yeah, technically some NijiEN stuff could point to them blocking collabs, or at least doesn't disprove it. But none of that matters if you can't establish why the FUCK they'd do that when it's effectively an act of self-sabotage with how overwhelmingly popular HoloEN is in comparison.
they don't want their viewership jumping ship when they get a taste of the competition
if nijinogs watched a moment of kiara or ollie they'd immediately unsub from their whoever the fucks and only watch hololive's finest

>Ollie already collabing with NijiID
Literally just search it
>Ollie already collabing with NijiJP like Gundou
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghzt6N1WB14&t=0s
>Ollie often collabing with Indies like MoonAroma, invited to Merryweather talk-show, etc
Ollie has been collabing with 3x more indies than NijiEN, and you retards couldn't stop blaming Cover just because you don't want to blame NijiEN management for this collab cancellation.

>>13624451
nigga what is this supposed to prove, none of this has to do with nijiEN

Standards, man. YAGOO don't want HoloEN girls slumming with chinks.

>>13624451
It was Cover, stop the cope.

>>13624543
baelz...

>>13624562
Then where is Cover when Ollie trying to collab with NijiID and NijiJP then?
Sounds like Nijicope to me.

>>13624590
Should be fired, yes. As should whole council. They have brought nothing of value. Gen3 can't come soon enough.

>>13624697
Holocope

>>13624697
where is cover when ollie trying to collab with nijiEN?

>>13624451
Cover has a motivation (worrying, rightfully or not, that people will prefer NijiEN if exposed to it, or at least like it enough to make their competitor stronger)
Anycolor does not (since probably 75% of NijiEN's audience watches Hololive too and 99% is definitely aware of them) while having a lot to gain from those collabs.
People don't do things without a reason, and companies especially don't. So what would be the reason here?

Niji JP and Holo JP freely collaborate all the time, So it's most likely the EN managers being stingy plus V-Tubers is still growing in the west so I can understand if Holo is cutting them off since they're already top dog in Japan.

>>13622967
Tell me, anon, other than VShojo, which other EN group collab'd with Hololive before Coco's graduation?

>>13624451
>Ollie has been collabing with 3x more indies than NijiEN, and you retards couldn't stop blaming Cover just because you don't want to blame NijiEN management for this collab cancellation.
Well that's with indies but let's be honest that Niji has more EN corpo collabs than holos since KR and tsunderia are close, ID had a kawaii collab and EN managed to collab with PRISM so why she never planned a collab with EN corpos that's not vshojo?

>>13624845
The same Hololive that blocks collabs?

>>13624770
Your reasonings are a bit off. We're talking about HoloID here, not Gura.
Their average CCV are basically the same. Heck, Selen might be higher because of her Apex streams.
>>13624879
Yeah, and so?
Does that invalidated that HoloID management is not restrictive of collab?

Why is it an issue if holoEN won't do outcollabs?

ask xQc for help, he has more live viewers.

>>13625422
It's not an issue at all but some NijiNiggers try all kinds of mental gymnastics to make it seem like it is.

>>13606484
Just look at the numbers. Entire EN branch is slowly sinking while NijiEN is getting more popular. They had multiple 4k streams recently. And while HoloEN still wins with subs and views they are very close with superchats already.

Besides I doubt it's Yagoo, it's all on the massive faggot Omega. JP keeps collabing with other groups only EN lives in a fucking quarantine.

>>13625270
I'm not saying their worries are well founded, but you can see where they'd come from, especially if you were an overly cautious business type. There's not really anything like that for NijiEN. You can even see that with stuff like Selen announcing the collab, she just said "I'll be collabing with the zombie" because she know her audience would for sure know Ollie already.
(And for what it's worth, I do think the Ollie Selen collabs have just been very bad timing with debuts rather than HoloID having a blanket ban on NijiEN collabs like I suspect HoloEN has.)

>>13625044
Hololive only block collab from Coco to EN members. HoloJP had no issue whatsoever collabing with Coco (well, none from the management, chinkspams obviously were a thing). That's why I said "Hololive", and not "Coco" in particular.

>>13625422
It isn't, really, aside from sucking for the girls who want to collab.
>>13625602
I can turn that back around and ask if it's not a problem, then why are Holofags so intent on blaming Nijisanji for it?

>>13625620
Just look at numbers, indeed. Slow and steady, anon. Slow and steady

>>13625721
Because this board isn't about the vtubers, it's for gossiping and tribalism, and this entire thread is a prime example

>>13625620
>>13625422

Hololive as a whole isn’t scared of nijisanji suisei’s friend has been in hololive streams and they even let Haachama bring Hosikawa. How many times has a holo appeared on a niji stream? Omega is the only problem not Yagoo

>>13625721
>It isn't, really, aside from sucking for the girls who want to collab.
That's one EN girl and one ID girl at most, anon. They will live
>I can turn that back around and ask if it's not a problem, then why are Holofags so intent on blaming Nijisanji for it?
But no one is blaming Nijisanji for it. People are just explaining why HoloEN might not want to collab with NijiEN

>>13625721
>20th NijiNigger collab begging thread this week blaming Cover

Gee I wonder why Hololive fans get bored of that shit.

>>13625629
>I do think the Ollie Selen collabs have just been very bad timing with debuts
I'm confused as to why an ongoing JP debut would harm a collab planned for mid-December between EN and ID instead of other things as example Ollie's anniv or her planned break?

>>13625953
Yet instead of just saying based Cover you start coping

>>13625952
>But no one is blaming Nijisanji for it.
Anon... Like half of this thread is exactly that...
I know it's probably just one or two guys, but still.

>>13606484
Because he's based and refuses to play by the retarded NijiEN rules. Collab fees are a harmful, offensive policy that threatens the integrity of the entire scene and it needs to be dropped, and until then, he walks away as he has an upper hand in the EN VTuber scene.

>>13612940
What happened?

>>13625984
Could be either of those, yeah. Could even be that it's too soon after the Holo Fantasy concert. Point is just that I could see Cover saying "we don't want you collabing with her so close to a big Holo event just in case it redirects hype from it".

>>13625685
It’s clear this is omega’s decision, he is cockblocking everyone

>>13608667
what does the western market want

>>13625942
Why is it a problem?

>>13615289
Yes i hate those bitches

>>13626121
>What happened?
Killed like 12 hours before it happened.

>>13626167
Hololive has an event litteraly every month. They can’t keep using that as an excuse

>>13626046
Do you not see the irony of your posts? Are you also illiterate? Go watch Niji streams and stop bitching and moaning about the things I have supposedly done. I am sure they find some 2view to collab with soon enough. Based Cover, I hope HoloEN never collabs with NijiEN.

>>13626272
It wasn’t in 12 hours, it was supposed to happen December 14-16 which is over 2 weeks from now. That’s what makes it more baffling

I still don't understand why this is a problem. NijiEN and VShojo had multiple collabs with OTV, biggest NA streamer org.

hololive has none, and it's not an issue.

Cover cares about their chuubas and won’t allow them to collaborate with whores. That being said if they show enough commitment to their whore friend they let them keep their friendship like a good parent would.

Why? Hololive is many times bigger than the next biggest vtubing agency. They have no incentive to collab with nijisanji.

>>13626404
In the crab game thread some anons say it's a problem since you have all these group events yet it seems like the EN vtuber community is almost trying to blacklist Hololive out of spite.

>>13626497
You know what to do Kiara, keep on begging

>>13626497
They collabed with Vshojo though. And Ollie is way more of a whore than Selen is.

>>13626551
>blacklist Hololive out of spite.
That's good then, there'd be less begging

>>13626593
Pikame collab was ina bullying her and Kiara x pinkcat was the same but even more of a mogging. And yeah I agree that Ollie is the whore daughter, almost 1 mil subs but gets 1-2k viewers at this point because they just pump and dump her.

>>13625270
Bruh, 90% of NijiID are indo people, while 90% of HoloID are eop. Because of that, it's ok for HoloID to collab with NijiID or NijiJP, but not with NijiEN.

Imagine thinking Niji is the one blocking those collabs

>>13626551
>yet it seems like the EN vtuber community is almost trying to blacklist Hololive out of spite.
Except no. You just can't get a HoloEN collab unless Mori is stepping on toes for literal months to make it happen.

>>13625778
Shh, you'll break his cope bringing that over from the numbers thread...

>>13606484
Wasn't it the fact your have to pay to collab with people from Nijisanji and it's a known fact that you have to at this point?

>>13627279
Makes sense, Ollie failed to remit the payment on time and selen announced the cancellation.

>>13625778
Look at HoloID tho. Now that's what real recline looks like. From 2700 to 1600...

>>13627279
>Rerun rrats
Holocope getting desperate

>>13627279
its really funny when people out themselves as fucking retards when they post this rrat

>>13625620
The superchat thing is interesting. Last I checked, HoloEN gen 2 isn't doing THAT much better in SCs than Lazulight or Obsydia despite their significantly higher CCVs.
That seems to imply that HoloEN viewers are normie trendchasers and ironic weebs, while NijiEN viewers are otaku nerds way more inclined to throw money at their hobbies, which would, amusingly, be an inverse of the NijiJP and HoloJP situation, where Niji is the normieshit and Holo is the subculture thing.

>>13627279
lmao you can search the archives and see the exact day when some asshole made that up. He just repeated it until genuine retards took it as fact, god bless him for sticking to it. Unless you're him, but in that case still congrats.

I'm out of loop today.
when did selen said the collab with zoombie is cancelled?
or if she didn't say anything like this, how do you guys have this speculation.

Clip or context or stream timestamp pls.

If you want a reason to watch nijisanji, try this.
This was so much fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqYmpcwCgH0

>>13627279

>>13606484
>nijibeggar

>>13613380
The decision probably came from higher up than HoloID's management. I assume since Selen teased it Ollie had already cleared it with her direct management but then someone from the main office caught wind and blocked it.

>>13630912
>the irony of calling nijibeggar when most of them are holoconverts
Yeah sure go tell your fellow holofags to STOP collab begging at Niji streams, why can't you do it at your holo oshis streams instead?

>>13632139
Pretty much this. Inb4 it’s omegatroon

>>13606484
Holo blocked the chicken colab so ninji blocked the Selen colab.

>>13621421
Ok stick up with my ESL here.
I just gonna say that hololive (as a whole) blacklist nijiEN in secret,
>what? Why do they blacklist them in secret?
Because they want to keep the image of nijisanji still a friend with hololive, plus do you know how massive shit cover gonna get if they out right say hololive blacklist nijiEN? I'm so sure so many JP faggot gonna dunk on cover for that if they announcement shit like that, so its easest for them to just ban the collab but not the Interaction in secret,

the reason of blacklist them is pretty much easy to tell,

1. Big exposure.
Its not rocket science to know that majority of Holofan know nijiEN but don't really give em a watch because why? They don't have a reason to even give them a try so that you answer

2. Danger of losing some viewer in and out right making people start watching nijiEN
I Mean come on, like i said, majority of Holofan don't really feel to give nijiEN a watch so they don't even know what kind of vtuber nijiEN have, with a collab, Holofan are force to watch them and know what kind of vtuber they are, this also can become a big risk for holo because if that one collab become a big deal and people start checking up nijiEN for real, then they end up getting more fans which is bad for Business reason

3. Holofan/nijifan how enjoy that collab Will always ask for more collab.
Which is good for the talent to have fun with, but not a good move for cover itself because instead of gaining good, they just make nijiEN gaining good and possiblely of losing some good in process

Let's be real here, for Business reason, cover is really smart to blacklist them in secret so its don't cause an outrage, but as viewer of both i so disappointing, i just want to enjoy kino collab but to bad i guess

no free clout nigger

>>13620396
A certain NijiEN talking about Hololive is the reason the HololiveNijiEN collab bans are put into place. Do your fucking reps

>>13613503
>collab fees
it's this. money hungry niji managers

No wonder Omega rents free here

People can't leech.

>>13626194
not him but the western market wants idols not whores.

>>13620396
Its not just NijiEN, the entire chat floods with "is this ok" "graduation" "dont talk" whenever a holo is mentioned in any nijisanjis stream
They are genuinely clinically diagnosed retards

>>13629137
> when did selen said the collab with zoombie is cancelled?
https://youtu.be/tfIGSTTuauI?t=26324

>>13634422
sorry anon I don't have the link to your-headcanon.archive.org

>>13630227
I love this rrat. It has survived pretty well. Probably because "collab fees" rolls off the tongue and is funny to say.
How did it even spawn tho

>>13630227
Wasn't this a fake tweet

>>13639184
Literally one guy pushing it
>>13641769
Yes. The thread it was from linked to the Finana fart joke tweet from pre-debut.

>>13615689
Aren't they all fired or whatever

>>13606484
>scared of Nijisanji
HAHAHAHAHA oh you

>>13627511

3/4 of Hololive watchers are just Reddit babies who jump at popular things. NijiEN is way more entertaining in literally every way even if I do like and watch some HoloEN girls.

>>13630912
Girls want to collab and interact on twitter all the time. You are retarded.