/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>13759486
They're not a failure. The fact that they're in Hololive means they're successful because [insert Cdawg quote].
They're just uninteresting.

Boomgey

>>13759486
That's what happens when sub par individuals are selected when the bar was set so high with HoloMyth. IRyS has come into her own and now mogs all of them too. Cover had their chance but took too long and by then Nijisanji already debuted 2 waves of EN vtubers. So Cover are left with:

>a failed gook voice actress
>a bug girl from down under
>a girl too busy with college
>a girl who thinks she can do ASMR
>an outright nepotism hire

>>13759486
Failure one generation into the EN branch does bode well for any future talents.

>Gen 6 success.
>Subs already slowing by putting in the least effort of any gen in the first week.
>Not breaking 1 million views on their MVs in the first day, even with record breaking debuts.
When you put things into perspective without being clouded by the big numbers, it's easy to tell they'll do average once the month or two is over. Maybe one or two of them will break out but right now, the are just the new hotness until something new comes around and everyone moves on. How easily people forget that IRyS and Kronii were tracking to beat Gura at one point and despite those high debut numbers, look at where they are now.

>>13760216
Nijifags trying to act like they mattered at all when Council is mogging them, even Sana

Proving once again that myth was lightning in a bottle.
Council is the Wii U to Myth's Wii.

HoloMyth was a one-time miracle I guess.
Compares to Council, even Ame looks talented.

>>13760410
They're mogging Niji EN so hard. Nijisanji EN makes more superchat income with half the subs. How hard it is to be Niji EN. Must suck for Council to sunk.

>>13760578
This is weirdly true as I'm still surprised to see Mumei low SC recent stream considering she is the second most popular in the council...

>>13759486
The only gripe I have with Council is that they take too many breaks. They are wasting the opportunity given to them.

>>13760430
IRyS is the cool, red, super Mario edition Wii, right?

>tragedy of EN2
d-damn...

>>13759486
Because they're not "talents"
They joined holoEN only because of omegatranny and they're Ina's Korean friends

>>13760578
Nice lies nijinigger

My review of Council:

>Kronii
Had the most talent by far but pissed it all away by being lazy as fuck and deciding to just coast off Hololive for passive income. Incomprehensible to me how people can act like this, desu.

>Fauna
Has her niche although she doesn't seem very talented in it (I'm not an ASMR expert but her streams do nothing for me). However I like her zatsudans and community engagement, she streams often and is overall a pretty good Holo.

>Bae
Can barely watch her due to her dumb fucking meme aussie times but she seems pretty good aside from talking too much JP. Her karaoke is great. The chaotic/hyperactive persona Omegatranny wrote for her doesn't really seem to fit her though.

>Mumei
Absolutely boring trash, and almost as lazy as Kronii. It is incomprehensible to me why the fandom circlejerks her so hard.

>Sana
No idea lmao, voice filters me. 3 Week break because of a fucking puppy death is completely ridiculous and makes me think she's as lazy as the other two.

>>13759486
>Haato and Coco attract baizuo audience
>EN generation (especially Gura, for... reasons) get massive boost
>Coco graduates
>very few are interested, compared to the first gen
Hmm...

>>13760715
Lol only recent stream? It's been 2 months of the same rate. $1500/wk. Versus $6000/wk for Millie (who has streamlabs as preferred).
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UC3n5uGu18FoCy23ggWWp8tA
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UC47rNmkDcNgbOcM-2BwzJTQ

It's still good income for a student, for a few easy hours of work now and then. $2000/mo + hololive base-salary before taxes.

>>13761076
Omega stole thunder from council even Reddit disappointed in him . They tough Omega was secret 6th member

>>13759486
Council isn't a failure because I like them more than Myth, partially out of spite of their retard fans. My opinion is the only one that matters, nobody else's. Therefore, they are objectively superior.

>>13761008
Didn't read lol

>>13759486
Only clockhag and owl are good, the rest is not

>>13761008
For Kronii, I think she doing it to avoid her clingy horny cult fandom

>>13761360
>clockhag
Isn't she a zoomer?

>>13761360
>Only clockhag and owl are good
Except one of them is the worst of the bunch.

>>13761287
TL;DR: 3 of them are lazy as fuck and the other 2 are ngmi

>>13759486
What would qualify as success and why is it that no one else in Hololive meets that? Because you're making shit up to force a DoA narrative.
>how well HoloX is doing
They haven't even fully debuted yet. 2 of them haven't done anything that constitutes streaming activity.
>They don't even seem like holo talent to me.
Holo talent as opposed to other talent? As in, something only people in Hololive can do?
>Really sad...
Cover must be weeping behind the scenes because... you say so? Okay, Mumei is pretty comfortable as she said like 2 hours ago, by the way.

>>13761406
Why the fuck would you even become a vtuber if that's something that bothers you?

Take your meds idol fag I'm sorry you can't sit around and play pretty princess with them

>>13759486
>We

>>13761499
OP is a nijinigger/2views trying to convince EN2 watcher to move on hoping they watch their failed streamer

>>13761545
Maybe she expected less coomers, but after debuting and being their personal tts I refuse to believe she wasn't taking advantage from it

>>13759486
>Can we admit Council has been a complete failure?
why? people keep saying this shit on this board but give no reason except "uhhh i dont like them"

Council is garbage, myth is garbage. My only 2 subs left on the EN side are Gura and IRyS.

It's not really a failure, they're still head and shoulders above most vtubers in the west. But the market is more competitive now than it ever was back then, there's not enough time in the world to watch vtubers now which is probably why most of the audience just watches clips, and it's mostly fighting for the same small audience and oil barons at this point since most of the normalfags up and left.

>>13761989
Tbh for me is not a failure but I can tell you they are like this because they expected Council to be at least as good as Myth. Is a problem based on expectative vs reality

>>13761849
unironically, all of the nijiEN girls are better than council trash and i say that someone that watched mostly hololive for the past year.

>>13761406
>is literally the only HoloEN who relentlessly spammed Coomer phrase requests
>I'm supposed to believe she's uncomfortable with a coomer fanbase

>>13759486
i'm not admitting anything YOU FUCKING FAGGOT

>>13762076
Maybe Cover just blew up too fast for their own good in the west? Myth was lightning in a bottle and probably will never be repeated again, and council are probably just the real numbers without dead subs.
That or people are hoping that Council would recreate that magical first hit of discovering EN Vtubers.

>>13759486
is this guy still seething from what happened in RE7 yesterday rumao at least they got the bond that can surpass holo jp gen 3

personally i think they are great they just need not be lazy

>>13761683
Based.

>>13760981

>>13762418

>>13762154
Haachama has a coomer/zoomer fanbase, kronii has ultra schizos that go beyond being coomers

>>13759486
>we

>>13762418
keep coping nijibrony

>>13762715
Why am I coping? You really have nothing besides clock tits.

>>13762233
It seems to be the later

>>13762039
Calli has been great recently with the Earthbound play through
Other than that, I completely agree

>>13761076
>Stress from help fighting chink antis
>Coco graduation
>Haato streaming lesser than before
>My ex-oshi Calli changed
>Omegatranny
>Deception of HoloEN 2
These ones made some damage on me and went to indie vtubing scene. It was so refreshing that I noticed I was forcing myself to like hololive. It was good, but had to let it go. Not overworking myself on reading translators on chat for HoloJP was a plus.
Not that any of those are bad, it's just that after some time, you just wanna chill without extra steps.

Only Bae matters to me in general and Kronii as IRyS' feedbag.

>>13762418
>>13762496
Those comparisons are lifetime, which Niji would obviously have a relative advantage in. Council is doing better otherwise week-over-week, with the exception of Mumei for whatever reason. They'll take over eventually.

>HoloX debuts have been massive successes, obliterated any “competitors”
>Quick, if we can’t fight them, try turning them against each others. Gen5 vs Gen6. HoloJP vs HoloEN. Kiara vs IRyS. EN1 vs EN2. T-the collab block!
>Shit all over the catalog with these threads
Just like clockworks, niggers. Should have focused those time and effort to bring up your oshi subs, views and CCV instead

>>13761076
>baizuo
Literal chink-posting and two retards agreed with him. How low this thread has fallen

>>13759486
Kek true that
>the off stream streamer Ouro Kronii
>the diligent college student Mumei
>Less talented and bad at talking Noel
>Still respecting Baelz for putting the hours but yeah her song cover been mediocre so far good karaoke tho. Boom boom
>Sana

>>13763418
They're all going to end up like Mumei. Unless this trend is only limited to her.

>>13762083
Maybe they should try to get better result than HoloID first instead of going on a declining streak, then...

>>13763515
>Gen5 vs Gen6
Never happened, not even in /jp/. Get another bogeyman

>>13759486
> like they are their own indie branch
mythfag still salty after council's unity moment yesterday. Wake up retard, myth will never bond like council they all hate each other

>>13764034
Took less than 30s to look through the archive, anon
>>/vt/thread/S13658850#p13660002
>>/vt/thread/S13575958#p13586755
and counting, which I cba to copy and paste dozens of similar posts. Gen5 schizo was super active in /#/ after La+ debuff

HoloCouncil has been so boring that it's killing the HoloEN brand in the west. vtubers as a whole is still a growing medium but it seems NijiEN, Vshojo, Small corpos and indies are growing the market and penetrating into the mainstream of stream watchers compared to Hololive in their own bubble. We're seeing the normal audience on twitch start to accept vtubers and they're getting converted into being vtuber fans while the Hololive fanbase is static and stale since they're not doing anything new to gather a new audience. Unless something changes, we'll start to see the decline of HoloEN until they can bring out some fantastic new talent or let their current ones do something so fantastic that it makes everyone pay attention to them.

>>13764020
Do you watch streams? Watch streams and tell me honestly who is more entertaining.

"B-but muh numbers..."

Isnt Council its all EN bc is ENTrash thots

Yes. Kronii sucks and will 43% soon.

>>13764769
Even if their growth keeps slowing down, Hololive will get to hold on to their monopoly for at least a couple more years due to the Youtube algorithm favoring them.

Im not loyal to any of the companies because that is retarded. I watch what is more entertaining to me and council is simply boring as fuck. But keep coping that everyone that doesnt share your opinion of them is either a seething nijinigger, falseflagger, baiter, chink, 2view, etc. Fucking holobrony schizos kill yourselves.

>>13764769
>t. Nijikeks
>t.2view

>>13760216
Which ones are the failed VA and the ASMR?

>>13760715
Mumei had roommate baggage right off the bat, followed by giving SCs the Ina treatment for a while. She’s reading SCs at the end of streams now that her phone battery isn’t imposing hard limits on her stream time, so she doesn’t feel like she’s cutting the rest of the stream short for SC readings. Chances are she’ll improve over time as those debuffs start to wear off. Allegedly her lack of SCs is balanced out by having more members than the others, but I haven’t seen hard proof of that.
>>13762083
This. Anyone seriously expecting another HoloMyth was out of their goddamn minds.
>>13762309
The numbers thread listed their hours for this month >>13761852. Aside from Kronii, they’re putting in the effort. People forgot how many hours Sana puts in when she’s not on break.

>>13759486
>(we)

>>13765568
>The failed VA: he meant kronii.
But I do not think shes a failure, she just do VA as hobby
>ASMR: obvious that this is fauna
Im not fan of her and her ASMR so I dont have fair judgement to this.

>>13764769
Would be hilarious if coco come back and council suddenly get a boost in popularity. This board would explode if this happen.

>>13761008
Agreed on pretty much all points. Sana: I don't mind her voice or personality or any of that. I was intrigued after her debut to see what she would do. However that whole 1 month vacation for a dead fucking dog pisses me off however so I'm unlikely ever to do so considering my own oshi had a death in the family, came back earlier and still achieved more during their "break".
Kronii was the biggest disappointment.
After her overwhelming hype during and just after debut I said I'd rather give it some time. I've given it time.
There's nothing to her but her voice, and she doesn't do shit with it.
Waste.
Mumei is a non-entity and I don't understand why there's so much fucking buzz.

>>13765506
It goes both ways. I watch people with 0 other viewers, popular indies, PhaseConnect, Nijisanji and sometimes Animare or Vshojo. And I think Council is great. But something something that your opinion is something something god are tribalists boring.

>>13761008
>>Mumei
>Absolutely boring trash, and almost as lazy as Kronii.
wut? are people still stuck with mumei's first week impression?

>>13766211
How do you fail as a VA? When Mori talked about it, it was clear she was being hazed out by a clique (or a "guild" as that shitty ass Solid Snake VA would tell the world), but really their job RIGHT NOW is to be a VA to an anime character no?

if anything, both Mori and Kronii should be getting calls left, right, and center

>>13766676
i never watched her again after that abysmal first week
but mumeifags acted like it was the greatest thing ever so it's not like they have any standards

>>13760430
That means gen 3 will be the switch

>>13759486
How about you ADMIT yourself into a mental hospital

>>13766234
Oh right, if I remember the threads from back then correctly (not membereed to Coco or Kson), she didn't rule out coming back at some point for special occasions but felt it would be very awkward to do and that she would cheat her fans by appearing as if the graduation didn't happen. Sorry for derailing the thread with this, but do you know anything about that?

>>13766676
Antis don’t actually follow the streamers they’re trashing unless it’s Kiara. Kiara antis go past rent free and actually pay her to live in their heads.

>>13766736
>i never watched her again after that abysmal first week
then why pretend you know what you're talking about currently? honeymoon phase is obviously going to make people think trash is good. mumei was absolute trash then, but she's good now.

>>13766736
It is no point of pride to be a threadreader.

>>13766846
She had charisn’tma. Essentially the social equivalent of watching a trainwreck. When someone is starting from such a low point, seeing the improvement over time is entertaining in and of itself.
No one ever said it was “good” by any reasonable standard, they said it was like watching a rookie 2view struggle to deal with her new position, with the expectation that she’d eventually get better.

>>13766694
thats not how that works. being a good vtuber does not make you a good VA; there tons of instances of that out there. they might get job due to notoriety but it's usually small roles or cameos.

>>13766846
X was absolute trash at launch. I cannot give any detail about how X improved since then, though they have improved. Just trust me bro. The state of stockholmed Holoniggers. On Mumei all that I have heard is berry berry Kronii Minecraft berry.

>>13767193
i'd argue to the contrary, being able to convey emotion and commitment to the role are the 2 cornerstones of good VA work. If Liam Neeson could do it in Ponyo, these girls could do it too

>>13767245
>Just trust me bro.
I mean, you could simply watch streams, but I forget people don't watch streams on /vt/. it's not my responsibility to write essays to convince random niggers like you, I just felt like pointing out how obvious it is when people say things about a chuuba they clearly don't watch but act like they know everything about

>>13766846
Yeah she's doing good at her studies and expanding her passive income. She has a good and healthy relationship with her boyfriend too. These maybe the "Goods" you are trying to mention.

>>13767488
Even watching clips would disabuse him of those notions, but expecting people on /vt/ to do more than threadreading is like asking someone on /tg/ to actually play games.

I unironically think Mumei and Fauna bf rrats are negatively impacting their earnings

>>13767486
>being able to convey emotion and commitment to the role are the 2 cornerstones of good VA work.
the most acting they do is a half assed kayfabe. they don't take their lore seriously at all(which is good). just because sana can express sadness when her dog died, doesn't mean she can do it while acting.

>>13767488
Nigger, her debut was physically painful. It'd be a massive improvement going from a -1 to a 2 out of 10. Don't hide behind the fact you don't have to convince anyone because you've clearly convinced yourself that anything besides total shit is alright.
>>13767632
Allow me to retort. I don't want to feed Holoshits place in the algo. Just needing to click the don't recommend button on my feed is enough.

>>13767632
honestly I get it if they still think mumei is boring to watch since they've made up their minds about it already so I don't really care, the bit that irked me the most was saying she was as lazy as kronii when she's been streaming at a pretty steady pace for the better part of a month now compared to her which is a dead giveaway that they don't follow her in the slightest

>>13767713
>you've clearly convinced yourself that anything besides total shit is alright.
my oshi is fantastic (far more so than mumei), don't worry. I just still enjoy catching a mumei stream whenever I can because she's still enjoyable to watch and it made me raise an eyebrow to see someone say something so wildly inaccurate, I admittedly am pretty bad at going full "ackshually" sometimes

>>13760216
>a girl who thinks she can do ASMR
Dude I have no fucking idea why her quality fell off so hard. Her old stuff is actually decent. Maybe she just fucking sucks AND blows when it comes to live/unscripted stuff and/or old content is edited SUPER heavily.

>>13768049
>Maybe she just fucking sucks AND blows when it comes to live/unscripted stuff
This

>>13767488
There's a million streams to watch and you expect me to use my time to watch someone that left a terrible first impression?

>>13767713
Why would you go out of your way to talk shit about someone you don’t even watch? Wouldn’t it be enough to just ignore Mumei discussions if you’re unwilling to give second chances?

>>13768049
>>13768107
why doesn't she just post short videos then? cut the fluff

>>13768116
It worked for Korone and Ame.

>>13759486
thats because council doesn't have anyone with a distinctive talent outside of ASMR(niche) and Artist(redundant). Every member of the Myth can be a solo act and you can easy see their defining traits. Mori=rapper, Ame=creative trend setter, Kiara=trilingual, idol otaku, gura= meme vsinger, Ina = artist.

>>13759486
Irys should have been part of Council, it would have helped their dynamic

>>13768154
hololive in general should really stop being afraid of making prerrecorded videos honestly. polka's cool for that

>>13768173
They weren't boring, they were just wrecks

>>13768186
comparing them to myth is unfair, they were and are lightning in a bottle. Kronii has the most unique niche in council(deeper voice, good at impressions, doomer humor, meme queen) but doesn't stream enough and still lacks confidence

>>13768124
Because Hololive is a bottleneck for the entire Vtuber industry and lukewarm talents don't help.

Being a vtuber definitely does not translate to good VA. I love Ina but she is kinda bad in those UmiSea videos.

>>13768116
point wasn't "why are you not watching someone who left a terrible first impression on you now that she's improved" (that's ridiculous), it was "why are you reviewing her as if you do watch her when you admitted you don't".

>>13768315
I don't what with all the posts making myth the second coming of christ, they were good but you can't seriously think they couldn't be topped, that just speaks volumes of the EN market

>>13768424
Not him but she hasn't particularly improved in the collabs she appears on, I don't know about solo streams

>>13759486
I don't really watch HoloEN but here is my shithouse review of each:
>Kronii
Never watched, Korean.
>Fauna
Tolerated precisely 30 minutes of the Mumei mc collab before the lorefaggotry got to me, dropped.
>Mumei
Watched on and off for a solid week or two before the "omg cute retard" wore off, will watch very very occasionally but otherwise I'm good.
>Bae
Metropolitan 1st gen SEA immigrant weeb from Sydney probably, not entirely my favourite kind of person but I'm open to very briefly watching.
>Sana
Probably also 1st gen SEA from Sydney going by the accent but she was definitely the "omg animals" kid in school, the kind of person who goes to the zoo by themselves for fun. By far my favourite of this gen, I do mean to watch her sometimes but I am pretty time poor and my oshi and wife both have priority.

>>13768263
>terrible first impressions are okay when they are wrecks

>>13759486
>Can we admit Council has been a complete failure?
Council failed to take off but they're still successful enough to earn a decent living. They're like the Holo ID of Holo EN.

>>13768430
then why can't niji or anyone else even come close to touching them?

>>13768315
>comparing them to myth is unfair
absolutely, but that's the curse of success. if you are less than what came before you, you are considered a failure. one of the reason why i am bit blown away by gen 6 so far.
>>13768430
>you can't seriously think they couldn't be topped.
the thing is they haven't been, not even close. they literally have highest sub count vtuber(and mori is high up there).

>>13768573
>>13768601
Anon I don't think people when people are discussing about council's performance they're talking about their numbers, you know what's the problem

>>13768553
There's being nervous on your debut and then there's being a dead fish on your debut, I can give a chance to Kronii even though her debut was terrible but Mumei's was sleep inducing

>>13768465
nta. Again, the point was "why is he talking about soneone when he admits he wouldn't know anything about her".

>>13761008
>>13766422

I can’t comprehend why people like Mumei either? When you’re entire character schtick is “I’m retarded” I guess naturally you attract other retards

>>13768749
People already started circlejerking her before she even debuted, with those cringe as fuck "hopium" memes. They had no idea what she was going to be like but just decided that she is gonna be "best girl". Fucking NPC.

>>13759486
They actually made me watch and appriciate other companies and indies so i thank council these

>>13768749
>When you’re entire character schtick is “I’m retarded”
When you still think this is the case, then I guess naturally you’ll be called a retarded threadreader. Even the clippers moved on from that after the first month. Now she’s the trash-talking homicidal maniac who makes cursed images and mentioned pregnancy four times yesterday.

>>13768506
aussiechinks always out themselves, huh?

>>13768749
Why is it so difficult to understand that comedy is subjective? Comprehending this is second in difficulty only to understanding other peoples' fetishes... but like, it can be done from a 30k' view.

>>13768573
Praise be to the YouTube algorithm. Anyone close to Gawr Gura gets a free 300K subs and high livestream numbers.

>>13769074
Me? Wog actually sorry to disappoint

>>13769003
>people admit they don't like mumei because she was absolute shit in the beginning and they stopped watching her
>"Why don't you watch her?!"
If you're really upset about it then post a stream/clip that completely blows everyone away

>>13760430
At least the Wii u had good games, The Council is like the Wii u if the only games that were released to it were Mario Tenis Ultra Smash and Animal Crossing Amiboo Festival.

>>13769003
All those new things sound even more retarded

>>13768744
You are effectively stating it's fine because Ame could improve on being nervous but not Mumei. Do you understand how nonsensical this sounds if your admitted sample size is at the very least one and at the very most one, respectively?

>>13768049
The main appeal of her old stuff was the art, original script, editing and voice acting, most of which don't carry over to live asmr.
But she is clearly trying to make her live asmr better, like streaming from a closet and moving her entire setup outside to reduce noise. Once she gets a ku100 there'll be a massive increase in quality

>>13769204
So now you are not even reading the thread.
See >>13768424

>>13768573
NijiEN seem more R-rated versus the much more marketable PG-13 of HoloEN. Hololive's image of being an 'Idol' group is probably their greatest marketing asset. it being true or not doesn't matter, that's how they are perceived and youtube likes to promote advertiser friendly stuff first and foremost.

i totally stopped watching them.

vtubing is eventually gaming for the most part but all those gen 2 tubers suck at videogames, dont have any knowledge/experience of gaming either.
all those big players from holo jp pekora marine miko korone subaru are very good at videogame streaming. they dont have very high skills but their streams are highly entertaining.

>>13769425
Being nervous ≠ being boring
Ame was a nervous wreck and it showed but she still tried to be entertaining, even if she failed
Mumei looked like she wasn't even trying and it didn't look like she was nervous at all, she was a completely different kind of mess.
You can stop being nervous at some point, you can't suddenly gain a personality a few months in

>>13769204
I’m saying it’s pointless to talk shit about people you don’t watch because anyone who does will immediately call you out on your bullshit. For example, Sana doesn’t appeal to me, but I don’t talk shit when I don’t know what I’m talking about.
>>13769251
It makes more sense when it’s not all those things at once, and that she’s constantly gaslighting her genmates and Kiara. Clippers make everything look retarded. Also she complained today about clippers taking the pregnancy line out of context.

>>13769003
Woah! No way?! She mentioned pregnancy? Damn, she's a wild one. Fuck off faggot. I watched her play Zelda recently and it was sleep inducing. Other than a few silly comments here and there during collabs she literally brings nothing to the table. She is the only one where I can say that if you watch clips of her, you literally didnt miss anything because thats it.

>>13769520
So you're not posting a stream then? How do you expect anyone to change their opinion then?

>>13760216
All of them are still better than nijisanji though. Cant we just celebrate that instead???

>>13769251
>complains the entire shtick is one thing
>gets told that is outdated
>simply takes it for granted that this is true and accurate
>proceeds to complain about something his only source of information is one post
I wonder what will happen next. Oh wait, I know, this is the part where you are told something else and you will take it for granted again!
Mumei actually played a very proactive role in an FPS stream and hosted a council collab very similar to Choco's zatsudan staple.

>>13769829
I don't think you have understood what >we want to change your opinion on if you still think the issue is what you think of her.

>>13768403
It could also be down to bad direction. I think even the best actresses would struggle with the dialogue or the director not really giving them much to work with.

>>13768430
What makes Myth stand out as legendary I think was that it was most people's first exposure to EN corp vtubers, if not Vtubers in general. Hololive was certainly growing, but they couldn't rely on the name entirely since the IDs were still lagging behind the JP branch, and it was expected that the same would probably apply. Especially since there were some doomposters at the time thinking EN Vtubers would never take off.
I guess part of the appeal too was having 5 people from different backgrounds and throwing them in a room just to see what would happen. And while Hololive still had the odds stacked against it like a lack of game permissions and having to deal with shitstorms like the Taiwan incident and the Holocaust, it was fun watching the girls overcome those even with some of their own personal issues in their lives at the time, to where they more or less cemented Hololive as a juggernaut. I guess even if you've moved onto other companies/indies, Myth is just the kind of group that has a special place in history.

>>13759486
They're making a lot of money to be called a failure, but they're declining in viewership, mostly because they're lazy.

>>13769822
>I watched her play Zelda recently
You admitted you don't watch someone whose debut was boring. So either you were lying before and are now surprised that people give you shit for it or you literally turned on a stream just now to convince yourself of your totally not foregone conclusion.
The point still isn't that you should force yourself through watching chuubas against your will, that would be retarded. Just don't talk about things you don't watch, because that's retarded too.

>>13760216
Adding to that, the bullshit chunni lore created by Omega also set an extremely high expectation, as if we are going to get literal GODS of vtubing. But no, they fell subpar.

>>13771083
lore that one of the girls can't even fucking use because le yab

>>13770555
I'm not that guy faggot. You are confusing me with someone else.

>>13765319
NTA, but I watched Petra for her first three weeks. I still watch Selen. I watched all Ethyria for their first two weeks. There is a reason why I'm only watching Selen (among NijiEN) now - because the others were boring AF. Heck, for all the hype about Ethyria singing and how they would have mogged everyone, they aren't anything particularly great in that field either
(To be fair, I only watch Baelz, Mumei and occasionally Kronii among Council as well, so it's 2.5 Council : 1 NijiEN. Not that much of a difference, but still)

anyone who reply after me is gay.

>>13771457

I'm >>13771420, just want to add since I forgot. It's easy to throw "B-but muh numbers...", but when you are talking about entertainers (not artists, not gamers, entertainers), numbers talk. If people are entertained, they will follow the entertainer. If people aren't, they will stop. VTubers have never been pro-gamers, artists or politicians. It's not just about their singing prowess, or gaming skill, or their ability to speak with or without filters. It's how they can entertain others and clearly, HoloEN (Council, to a lesser extent) is doing it better than NijiEN for now

>>13771312

>I watched her Zelda stream recently
>She is the only one where I can say that if you watch clips of her, you literally didnt miss anything because thats it.
You wrote this after a whole thread of people talking about things they don't know much about, responding to someone who made the same point as I, calling her "sleep inducing" like the person I did mean to respond to and now you are surprised that you don't look enough like a different person?

>>13771708
Multiple people have been responding to you retard, it was never one guy

>>13771530
NijiEn is around 200k right now. Most hololive girls get those numbers before they even debut. I remember when Botan debuted she had like 200-300k or something? And because she is one of my favorites I remember her saying "thanks guys but I didnt do anything yet." Thats just the power of the hololive brand that the council got the huge boost out of. That alone doesnt mean that they are better entertainers than NijiEN girls. Selen and Pomu mog everyone in the council when it comes to that. Shit even that commie hag Nina destroys the council with her gaming skills, game commentary and zatsudan skills.

>>13771788
You still wrote the same things as another anon.
>multiple people responded to your posts
Never got more than one reply each post. Maybe you got me confused? Doesn't matter, see above.

Kronii defeatist attitude makes watching her play games frustrating

>>13772371
>You still wrote the same things as another anon.
No way... Multiple people can share the same opinion?...
>Never got more than one reply each post.
Anon I...

>>13772262
Delusional nijichink shill fuck off.

>>13766422
Anyone who is mad at sana about her mourning her dog is unironically a SEA or a nigger. Both races are genetically incapable of forming bonds with pets so it literally is incomprehensible to them. Ignore the SEAnigs

>>13772262
nta, I don't even know how to see this as a competition, things like "X gets mogged by Y" and "Z absolutely destroys U with her skills in V" just sound ridiculous to me. Of course some people are better at some things at others. But they aren't trying to be better singers or gamers than each other. Vtubing isn't a decathlon, their performance (numbers? depends on so many other things which have little to do with their streaming activities (as vtubers and not as roomates). Timezone, YouTube algorithm, brand power, even roomate shit and controversies which shouldn't matter all have influence on how good their numbers are, and that also means their numbers are not a reliable metric of their skills. None of which changes that they are of course important and most streamers try to hold an audience, but then CCV and SC fluctuations are so large that again, it's too many factors to use those as reliable metrics for someone's performance, much less make a dick measuring contest out of it. Just appreciate that the ones you like are doing well and hopefully fulfilling some of their dreams along the way.

>>13763614
People besides chinks know and use the term baizou, especially on 4chan as it's been passed around in an infographic for years.

>>13772616
So now it is fine for you that you can be mistaken for another person by writing the same things as them? What do you still want from me now?

>>13772641
I watch both hololive, niji and indies. You gotta come up with a better reply than the typical holobrony npc "nijinigger falseflagger! niji shill!".
Just end your retarded miserable life faggot.

>>13760782
Hey I have one of those! That wii was super cool!

>>13772641
>>13773679
You are both still boring. Get new material.

>>13772775
based shark

>>13773076
Someone being reasonable on here? pigs really do fly

>>13762418
Petty lifetime time?
Not even 6 digits Selenfaggot?
Ahahahahahahahhaha

You retards realize that this is actually all Kiara's doing, right? She's the one behind the scenes encouraging everyone to go on breaks and lambasting them for working too hard when secretly she's probably doing it to keep them down because she feels threatened (lowest viewer POV during amongus collab LMAO). Can't believe you useless fucks let her get away with it. She managed to put even Kronii in the dumpster. Kiara promoted this culture of apathy and now Council is in a prime position to get stomped by these type-A numberwhores in Gen 6.

>>13759486
Myth is a complete failure. they dont stream, they dont give any explanation, and they hate each other.

I still (been a member since day 1 and watch all of her streams or at least vods when i miss) think Fauna has some hangups about actually being in hololive. Not the bad kind, just the "i can't believe i'm actually here do i really belong" type of issues. She's definitely more up on holo lore and such than most of EN and when she's comfortable I think she's a pretty solid streamer. Maybe some planned content (like a show with a partner) that isn't ASMR would really showcase her until she gets her ASMR back to what it was in past life.

>>13772515
She honestly sounds like someone who hates herself.

>>13777220
She admitted to being nervous and a perfectionist so hopefully she will grow out of that and relax.

Hololive fans just love to hate each other.

>>13760216
The issue is that they're inferior versions of HoloMyth.

>Baelz is la lesser creatividad
>Kronii is a cynical, depressed Mori
>Mumei is Guralite
>Fauna is low energy like Ina but without the memes, relevance or dad jokes
>Sana is the token self-defeating low performer; her muddy skin (as opposed to bronze like in one of the recolors posted on /vt/) is akin to Kiara's chimkin voice, and both refuse to change the thing about their character that's sabotaging them

Council doesn't bring anything new to the table. They're only slightly derivative and therefore obsolete on debut.

>>13762083
>I like x but also hate them
>just came into this totally not anti thread to share this
ok retard

>>13779753
Nice false flagging nijinigger

>>13760216
I love how you retards think having a reference = nepotism

>>13772775
mourning a dog is one thing, faggot
taking a month off at a job you just started because of a dog is retarded and weak and was most likely an excuse for something that she didn't want her paypigs to know about

>>13768553
You legitimately have diagnosed autism if you can't tell the difference

>>13769003
>Even the clippers moved on from that after the first month. Now she’s the trash-talking homicidal maniac who makes cursed images and mentioned pregnancy four times yesterday.
Lol so she's le epic leddit so randum XD
Which is worse than being a retard
Go back

>>13769822
Please give us more in depth reviews of something you've literally stated multiple times you know nothing about

>a big tit deadfish with VA skills that she beats like a dead horse, and literally nothing else.
>sana, who doesnt even draw on stream because Ina doesnt want to lose her niche
>mumei, who sings like a negress for some reason
>average as fuck ASMRtist (if you can even call that a talent)
>ollie clone
>quite literally 1 sense of humour, shared between all 5 of them, and 0 personality from all of them.

en1 has way more fuckin talent.
>gura- born entertainer and unmatched at improv, wonderful singer. voice is naturally asmr
>Ina, can draw, also natural asmr
>Ame, equally entertaing as gura and actually funny regularly, makes up for lack of talent, with immense creativity in making fun streams
>Kiara, can draw, can sing, unbelievably extroverted , stamina as fuck can stream for entire lengths of a day, and is the most productive
>Calli, equally talented as Kiara, but produces music that is not actually bad
>personalities are unbelievably colorful and mixed, its a miracle they get along so well. Truly a motley crew, their presence and group image is iconic.

>>13780243
It couldn't be more obvious you're just trolling at this point. She could literally come to your house and blow you and you'd find a way to act pissy about it

>>13759486
Kronii's tits do not fail to make me horny.

>>13780312
Seems accurate.

>>13760512
It wasn't.
IRyS managed to cut her good share of viewers despite the model debuff, if her model got an upgrade she'd probably hit a million in a month or two.
Council is just... below average for hololive standards, I guess? It's not like they're complete shit, they either don't stand out or don't have the work ethic to keep the numbers coming in.
If Kronii had Fauna's ethic and enthusiasm for streaming she would probably be around 800k subs right now.
Sadly, Fauna only attracts the ASMR crowd and from what I've gathered she isn't bad at it but she isn't the best either

>>13775559

>>13775559
ogeyy

>>13772775
>I need a full month to mourn
>perfectly fine showing up in collabs and laughing in the background

>192 post
>95 ip
I can admit that /vt/ is a bunch of failures

>>13781615
>shooting yourself in the foot
rumao are you council

I think they’re all great and continue to come into their own the more they experience streaming :)

Blame ESL retards for not understanding beautiful upside down accents

>>13773076
anon is like numberwang jesus, offering redemption
>abandon numbers
>just enjoy

>>13780312
>mumei, who sings like a negress for some reason
elaborate

I have no clue why niggers claim Myth was lightning in a bottle when literally 5 months ago 80% of threads were shitting on them and on debut Amegeddon and the whole Gura is shit at vidya thing happened. Council isnt the best at everything, but EN only had Gura as a good streamer and Mori as a good musician, which carried them. If anything, the lightning in a bottle was being viral with "A" and the rap song.

>>13773076
Great post dude

>>13773076
>NTA
No seriously when did this Reddit term get so popular?
It defeats the entire point.of anonymous image boards and should be bannable

>>13782703
because when arguing anons personalise an argument rather than consider the merit of the argument itself (this is to do with social epistemology and serves a very important purpose overall, but is detrimental in an abstract discussion or debate)
veering offtopic but this is why I don't understand how the ultra-essentialist /pol/yps can discuss anything on imageboards: every comment could be a false flag made by a fed, a commie, a tranny, a shitskin or a kike, there is literally no way to know of course they cope by simply turning their whole ideology on its head and turn people who post certain opinions into the aforementioned identities: to be a fedcommietrannyshitskinkike is to have and post certain takes rather than the poster actually being those things - incredibly postmodernist of them

>>13760782
she's the black wii that came with wii sport resort, and motion plus

>>13780044
>omg just change ur skin to appease racist SEA schizos!!!
kill yourself

faunana

>>13759486
Kronii is pure sex, the rest can go

lotta chasing windmills barking at own reflection ovah heah

>>13766422
That's a funny way to put it.
Kronii has nothing but her voice but she doesn't want to make the most of it.
Sana has nothing but her art but she doesn't want to show it.
Mumei is civilization incarnate but she's not allowed to talk about history because politics is taboo.
Fauna is nature incarnate but she's just another Choco/Mel ASMR machine.
Baelz is chaos incarnate but she's the most level headed and earnest of the lot.

If anything, Bae and Kronii should have switched their avatars before debut.

>>13768506
LMAO you mean Sana should have been Fauna and Fauna should have been Sana? I'd agree with that

>>13759486
>Can we admit Council has been a complete failure
no
ratio + you fell off + you're white + L

>>13782461
“Lightning in a bottle” mostly refers to their rapid growth, with anons pinning notions of superior quality due to nostalgia. Anons shat on IRyS before Council came along, and if/when EN3 comes along they’ll be the new punching bags and shitposters will pretend they never had anything bad to say about Council.